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Are Linux Zealots Terrorists?

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the only-if-bo-counts dept.

Linux 812

pair-a-noyd submitted this one choice piece of flamebait, I'll just quote it ".. I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorists because of the nature of their threats. I expect one of them -- or perhaps a group of them -- will go too far at some point and do significant damage to the open-source movement, the ongoing litigation with SCO or their employers. I strongly believe that if September 11 showed us anything, it was that zealots of any movement represent a huge risk to that movement because zealots do not consider the repercussions of their actions" Like the zealots he speaks of, he goes to far, but he does make legitimate points that the Open Source community has wrestled with in the past.

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USA, Corp. (-1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269131)

The US is a Corp., not a country

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Preamble of the original organic Constitution

We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence of the original thirteen united states of America, July4, 1776

Fourth of July 2002 has come and gone, and Americans honored the holiday with a renewed patriotic fervor that reminded me of the Bicentennial celebrations of 1976. As is customary, traditional fireworks displays took center stage and scores of people turned out to witness the dazzling show in the summer sky. With mixed feelings, Isat with friends on a crowded Pennsylvania sidewalk beneath a glittering, mesmerizing explosion of color, pondering the keen sense of sadness and betrayal that overwhelmed my spirit. Looking around at the huge crowds gathered for the annual events, Ithought silently, We are not free. In truth, we have not been a free people for a very long time.

We celebrate this day in honor of our independence. We call ourselves a free people in a land of liberty. Our anthems proudly sing the praises of this nation, and we raise our voices, wave our flags and join in song but how many Americans realize they are not free? This is a myth perpetuated by the powers-that-be in order to avoid any major civil unrest, and to keep us all living under the thumb of a militaristic corporate Big Brother within the illusions that have been created for us. The truth of the matter is this: what freedom has not been stolen from us, we have surrendered willingly through our silence and ignorance. As Americans, most of us have no idea how our freedoms are maintained or lost. Apparently, our ancestors didn't have a good grasp of this either. Itis sad, but itis also very true.

Don't point to that beloved parchment, the Constitution, as a symbol of your enduring freedom. It is representative of a form of government which seemingly no longer exists in this country today. The Constitution has been thrown out the window, the Republic shoved aside and replaced with a democracy. The thing is; most people in this country remain unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth what lies beyond the myths. Your so-called government is not going to tell you, either.

To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871, which was the beginning of the decline of the Republic. When we examine what happened during that time in our history, we begin to piece together this troubling, perplexing puzzle that is America only then should we answer as to whether we are indeed a free people or not.

So, let's roll backward into the past for a moment. It is time we learned what they didn't teach us in school. It is far more interesting than what they DID tell us. Ithink you'll stay awake for this lesson.

The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. Irefer you to the Acts of the Forty-First Congress, Section34, SessionIII, chapters61 and62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia. This is also known as the Act of 1871. What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.

What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. TheAct of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated front for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.

The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original organic version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the Act of 1871, our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word for was changed to the word of in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

The Constitution for the united states of America.

The altered version reads: THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.

Capitalization an insignificant change? Not when one is referring to the context of a legal document, it isn't. Such minor alterations have had major impacts on each subsequent generation born in this country. What the Congress did with the passage of the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia. The kind of government THEY created was a corporation. The new, altered Constitution serves as the constitution of the corporation, and not that of America. Think about that for a moment.

Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the organic Constitution, we now have relative rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a privilege which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.

So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. When we consider the word Sovereign, we must think about what the word means.

According to Webster's Dictionary, sovereign is defined as:
1. chief or highest; supreme.
2. Supreme in power, superior in position to all others.
3. Independent of, and unlimited by, any other, possessing or entitled to, original and independent authority or jurisdiction.

In other words, our government was created by and for sovereigns the free citizens who were deemed the highest authority. Only the People can be sovereign remember that. Government cannot be sovereign. We can also look to the Declaration of Independence, where we read: government is subject to the consent of the governed that's supposed to be us, the sovereigns. Do you feel like a sovereign nowadays? Idon't.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a constitutional historian to figure out that this is not what is happening in our country today. Government in these times is NOT subject to the consent of the governed. Rather, the governed are subject to the whim and greed of the corporation, which has stretched its tentacles beyond the ten-mile-square parcel of land known as the District of Columbia encroaching into every state of the Republic. Mind you, the corporation has NO jurisdiction outside of the District of Columbia. THEY just want you to think it does.

You see, you are presumed to know the law. This is ironic because as a people, we are taught basically nothing about the law in school. We are made to memorize obscure factoids and paragraphs here and there, such as the Preamble, and they gloss over the Bill of Rights. But we are not told about the law. Nor do our corporate government schools delve into the Constitution in any great depth. After all, they were put into place to indoctrinate and dumb down the masses not to teach us anything. We were not told that we were sold-out to foreign interests and made beneficiaries of the debt incurred by Congress to the international bankers. For generations, American citizens have had the bulk of their earnings confiscated to pay on a massive debt that they, as a People, did not incur. There are many, many things the People have not been told. How do you feel about being made a beneficiary of somebody else's massive debt without your knowledge or consent? Are we gonna keep going along with this??

When you hear some individuals say that the Constitution is null and void, think about how our government has transformed over time from a municipal or service-oriented entity to a corporate or profit-oriented entity. We are living under the myth that this is lawful, but it is not. We are being ruled by a de facto, or unlawful, form of government the corporate body of the death-mongers The Controllers.

With the passage of the Act of 1871, a series of subtle and overt deceptions were set in motion all in conjunction and collusion with the Congress, who knowingly and deliberately sold the People down the river. Did they tell you this in government school? Idoubt it. They were too busy drumming the fictional version of history into your brain and mine. By failing to disclose what THEY did to the American People, the people became ignorant of what was happening. Over time, the Republic took it on the chin to the point of a knockdown. With the surrender of their gold in 1933, the People essentially surrendered their law. Idon't suppose you were taught THAT in school either. That's because our REAL history is hidden from us. This is the way Roman Civil Law works and our form of governance today is based upon Roman Civil Law and Admiralty/Maritime Law better known as the Divine Right of Kings and Law of the Seas, respectively. This explains a lot. Roman Civil Law was fully established in the original colonies even before our nation began and is also known as private international law.

The government which was created for the District of Columbia via the Act of 1871 operates under Private International Law, and not Common Law, which was the law of the Constitutional Republic. This is very important to note since it impacts all Americans in concrete ways. You must recognize that private international law is only applicable within the District of Columbia and NOT in the other states of the Union. The various arms of the corporation are known as departments such as the Judiciary, Justice and Treasury. You recognize those names? Yes, you do! But they are not what you assume them to be. These departments all belong to the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. They do NOT belong to you and me under the corporate constitution and its various amendments that operate outside of the Constitutional Republic.

I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation. Realize, too, that the corporation is not a separate and distinct entity from the government. It IS the government. YOUR government. This is extremely important. Irefer to this as the corporate empire of the UNITED STATES, which operates under Roman Civil Law outside of the Constitution. How do you like being ruled by a cheesy, sleazy corporation? You'll ask your Congressperson about this, you say? HA!!

Congress is fully aware of this deception. You must be made aware that the members of Congress do NOT work for you and me. Rather, they work for the Corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Is this really any surprise to you? This is why we can't get them to do anything on our behalf or to answer to us as in the case with the illegal income tax among many other things. Contrary to popular belief, they are NOT our civil servants. They do NOT work for us. They are the servants of the corporate government and carry out its bidding. Period.

The great number of committees and sub-committees that the Congress has created all work together like a multi-headed monster to oversee the various corporate departments. And, you should know that every single one of these that operates outside the District of Columbia is in violation of the law. The corporate government of the UNITED STATES has no jurisdiction or authority in ANY state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia. Let this sink into your brain for a minute. Ask yourself, Could this deception REALLY have occurred without the full knowledge and complicity of the Congress? Do you think it happened by accident? You are deceiving yourself if you do. There are no accidents or coincidences. It is time to confront the truth and awaken from ignorance.

Your legislators will not apprise you of this information. You are presumed to know the law. THEY know you don't know the law, or your history for that matter, because this information has not been taught to you. No concerted effort has been made to inform you. As a Sovereign, you are entitled to full disclosure of the facts. As a slave, you are entitled to nothing other than what the corporation decides to give you at a price. Be wary of accepting so-called benefits of the corporation of the UNITED STATES. Aren't you enslaved enough already?

I said (above) that you are presumed to know the law. Still, it matters not if you don't in the eyes of the corporation. Ignorance of the law is not considered an excuse. It is your responsibility and your obligation as an American to learn about the law and how it applies to you. THEY count on the fact that most people are too uninterested or distracted or lazy to do so. The People have been mentally conditioned to allow the alleged government to do their thinking for them. We need to turn that around if we are to save our Republic before it is too late.

The UNITED STATES government is basically a corporate instrument of the international bankers. This means YOU are owned by the corporation from birth to death. The corporate UNITED STATES also holds ownership of all your assets, your property, and even your children. Does this sound untrue? Think long and hard about all those bills you pay, all those various taxes and fines and licenses you must pay for. Yes, they've got you by the pockets. Actually, they've had you by the ass for as long as you've been alive. In your heart, you know it's true. Don't believe any of this? Read up on the 14th Amendment. Check out how free you really are.

With the Act of 1871 and subsequent legislation such as the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment, our once-great nation of Sovereigns has been subverted from a Republic to a democracy. As is the case under Roman Civil Law, our ignorance of the facts has led to our silence. Our silence has been construed as our consent to become beneficiaries of a debt we did not incur. The Sovereign People have been deceived for hundreds of years into thinking they remain free and independent, when in actuality we continue to be slaves and servants of the corporation.

Treason was committed against the People in 1871 by the Congress. This could have been corrected through the decades by some honest men (assuming there were some), but it was not, mainly due to lust for money and power. Nothing new there. Are we to forgive and justify this crime against the People? You have lost more freedom than you may realize due to corporate infiltration of the so-called government. We will lose more unless we turn away from a democracy that is the direct road to disaster and restore our Constitutional Republic.

In an upcoming article, we'll take a closer look at the purportedly ratified 14th Amendment and how we became property of the corporation and enslaved by our silence.

I am saddened to think about the brave men and women who were killed in all the wars and conflicts instigated by the Controllers. These courageous souls fought for the preservation of ideals they believed to be true not for the likes of a corporation. Do you believe that any one of the individuals who have been killed as a result of war would have willingly fought if they knew the full truth? Do you think one person would have laid down his life for a corporation? Ithink not. If the People had known long ago to what extent their trust had been betrayed, Iwonder how long it would have taken for another Revolution. What we need is a Revolution in THOUGHT. We change our thinking and we change our world.

Will we ever restore the Republic? That is a question Icannot answer yet. Ihope, and most of all pray that WE, the Sovereign People, will work together in a spirit of cooperation to make it happen in this lifetime. Iknow Iwill give it my best shot come what may. Our children deserve their rightful legacy the liberty our ancestors fought so hard to give to us. Will we remain silent telling ourselves we are free, and perpetuate the MYTH? Or, do we stand as One Sovereign People, and take back what has been stolen from the house of our Republic?

Something to think about it's called freedom.

My heartfelt thanks goes out to the following people for their gracious and generous assistance in researching this subject: Ken S. of American Revolution II Online News, Paul Walker of RMN News, Bob Taft, Stanooch, and Willy Whitten true Patriots, one and all.

Further reading:

Re:USA, Corp. (3, Insightful)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269203)

Yep, you're right. This is a company and not a country.

As such, we have the right to limit what you can say about the company. Had you read your employee manual, you'd see that posting criticism in an open forum was grounds for termination.

Please bring the contents of your desk, your access badge, keys, and any other company property to the HR department at once.

Effective immediately, you're no longer employed here nor are you allowed on company property. If you appear on the property again, you'll be sent to our holding facility in Cuba for an undetermined amount of time.

Your final check, minus any monies due the company will be forwarded to your last known mailing address. Since that was actually within the company itself, count on not getting your last paycheck.

Also effective immediately, you no longer have any medical, dental, or life insurance benefits. Our providers have been notified. Attempts at gaining benefits will be seen as fraud and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Your citizenship and that of your immediate family has been revoked. You are required to move yourself, your family and all property (at your expense) from within the company immediately. Failure to do so will be seen as forfeiture of all property to the company.

Re:USA, Corp. (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269224)

The above AC/FPer has been quite clever :
  1. he trolled a troll story
  2. his troll consists of a story describing the legal environment as the opposite of a Free crowd, hence, as an evironment against which Linux people may hhave to fight in order to get their ideas accepted
  3. so, he corroborates the original article and somehow desserves a "+1 Insightful" rather than this useless and pleonasmic "-1 Troll"

woah (1)

Dragoon (10644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269137)

woah, he really wants to get flamed eh?

One has to wonder about somebody who is critical of a zealot..

Re:woah (5, Insightful)

leerpm (570963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269266)

It is hard to respect a writer who equates Linux zealots, with people that seek nothing less than the complete failure of our modern society and who are willing to fight to death for it.

I think the writer missed out on a big group of people: He seemed to go straight from describing a group of platform-neutral people (Pros) to people who promote Linux without any factual backup (Priests). That's skipping out on a whole lot of people who really prefer the Linux platform for many good reasons. I would consider myself fairly platform-neutral, but I at least respect those that favor Linux over the other platforms.

I think the writer has invoked a modern day version of Godwin's Law: replacing the use of Nazis with Terrorists.

It's not just Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269272)

It's all Zelots. I mean, look at coaster zealots. Their ever-lasting quest for lots of air time lead to a death this year and many numerous canceling of 'enthusiast' events.

SCO (0, Troll)

parksie (540658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269139)

SCO sucks anyway ;)

Re:SCO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269218)

Hmm, this comment was modded down? On Slashdot?! Come on mods, do your jobs!!!

Are communist bakers (1)

tofubar (631690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269144)

Actually socialists? Of course there's extremist morons in just about every group.

nerds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269146)

Hell hath no fury like an angry nerd. [requires flash]

Grammah 4 slshdot! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269147)

It's "too" Taco, "too far."

I'll blow you up ahhh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269148)

Wtf c4 up your ass how dare you question my allegience. Windows suxors. BSD is dead. Linux rules!

Truth Behind the Lies (-1, Troll)

huhlig (61314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269149)

He has a valid point. Its just I tend to see most linux zelots as being alot lazier then your agerage Religious zelot, least in terms of destructive capability.

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (1)

DrWho520 (655973) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269182)

No one is promising us 40 virgins in the afterlife if we die in the name of Torvalds, either.

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269263)

No one is promising us 40 virgins in the afterlife if we die in the name of Torvalds, either.
Are you kidding? You'll go to the Geek Afterlife, and everyone there is a virgin...

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (-1)

taff^2 (188189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269289)

They aren't!? Screw this, I'm installing XP!

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269297)

That's not what I was told! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (1)

mc_wilson (619464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269325)

Thats why it is free dude!

Re:Truth Behind the Lies (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269308)

And when you install alone, you install with bin Torvalds.

Ok, bad pun, but someone needed to say it. 93 224740/002-2520000-4156812?v=glance

No, wait, no one needed to say it...sorry.

IT'S FLAMEBAIT. MOVE ON. (5, Insightful)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269151)

Just don't respond, post anything with "M$" in it, or any of the other horde of bits of boilerplate text that ruin Slashdot.

I'm sure if I check back in 10 minutes there'll be a couple of hundred comments from people who can't help themselves, but really - JUST LEAVE IT BE.



eddy (18759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269159)

Agreed. This is the Enderle-troll, right? He's pathetic, don't stroke his cock by answering -- even in critique. He loves that.


mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269164)

It may not be flamebait : as the average /.er is against Gearge W. Bush (typo was not intended but sounds funny :) and as he calls his enemies "terrorists", maybe they'll consider this both comforting and flattering...


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269291)

The average /.er is not against George W. Bush.


Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269298)

whoops []

no, you're 100% wrong (3, Insightful)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269302)

No, no no no. We should respond, intelligently and rationally. Responding to such garbage with intelligence discredits THEM, not US.

Just look at the SCO coverage. The most reasoned arguments on /. get modded up to 5, and the media occassionally (not often enough though) picks up on these responses.

That is a GOOD thing.

LOL! (3, Insightful)

Cytlid (95255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269153)

Yes, Linux enthusiasts are just as fanatic as terrorists. What this moron failed to realize is where terrorist are obsessed on hurting and promoting Fear (uncertainty, and doubt?), Linux zealots are obsessed with making better software, helping people and making the world a better place.

When was the last time a terrorist helped a little old lady cross the road?

Re:LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269174)

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter ..." Sorry, someone was bound to say it ;o)

Re:LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269176)

well, I think it is possible for terrorists to have very good goals... Most think they have... I think the 9/11 terrorists had the idea their 'sacrifice' whould make the world a 'better' place...

Re:LOL! (1, Funny)

browman (191604) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269239)

When was the last time a terrorist helped a little old lady cross the road?

And when was the last time a true linux zealot actually went outside?

Re:LOL! (-1)

The Old Burke (679901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269313)

Humor aside; using the word terrorist or zealot against everyone in a "movement" like GNU/Linux is kind of harsh. But it's also stupid and not benificial for what he is trying to say.

Without knowing for sure I think his point is this: Many in the Linux business ar just in it for either the money or their hate towards Microsoft. This fanatical political opinion mixed with lack of logical skills results in a lack of ability to analyse the whole situation. So when SCo tries to present their version they are bashed for not agreeing on the political wievs behind Linux. So the legal basis behind the case is discredited based on perceptions.

I must say it myself; that I sometimes wonder how far some individuals here are willing to go just to get their Operation System favored. It's kind of strange tha many of those in the GNU/Linux community whom are liberals at the same times are almost willing to use force to get their OS into government for example. Maybe its is the true meaning behind their philoshophy that comes forward. I f one look at political movements liberal organizations almost evolve into socialistic systems and later picking up authoritharian methods from the communist in order to protect their wiews.

Re:LOL! (3, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269255)

Of course it is given that the side that you (speaking in the general sense of the word "you") represent is always upstanding and morally correct. And the opposition is always a demonic pit of festering zealots.

Re:LOL! (1)

TheDook (415074) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269271)

I'm pretty sure most terrorists believe what they will make the world a better place. They don't do it in a way we would like them to and their idea of a better world is most certainly different from ours. But to take it to the extremes... many of those so called zealots can't stand anyone using Windows and their idea of a better world is where everyone uses free software and so on. Just like an religious extremist wants everyone in the world to believe what he does and instead of working with and trying to persuade others he'd rather curse them and hate them and ultimately use violence to get what he wants.

That said I really doubt anything OS related like this will turn into something serious. Although I'm sure quite a few hackers and what not enjoy attacking large companies like MS thinking they're helping Linux and the community.

For a community supposed to be about being open and freedom of speech and stuff we all should show a little more tolerance when it comes to other people and their ideas. Free software can exist just fine in a world with Microsoft and the like. We can always dream of 'a better world' but just screaming, yelling and stomping our feet all the time wont do any good.

What about McBride? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269155)

What about McBride.. he is terrorizing all the people who put their time into os by threatenting to co-opt their work. Sounds to me like he is a more plausible terrorist.

Re:What about McBride? (1)

lanswitch (705539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269265)

No way! How can such a prime example of american business be a terrorist? Terrorists are the guys that fight govenments. McBride is an american dude trying to make money. He also will pay tax, so he is a Saint.

I hope somebody understands the irony...

Re:What about McBride? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269287)

Yep, MORe MONey to the Saint!

We knew it was comming. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269156)

Slashdot has been Trolled. We have lost. We should have a nice day.

PS - One point of Karma will be deducted from everyone to pay the massive "troll-point" deficit this has cause. Thank you.

Fanaticism is always fanaticism (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269160)

Fanaticism is never a good thing, but none the less a fanatic is sometimes requres to drive something forward when no one else will.

In my oppinion RMS is a bit of a fanatic, but I'd still say the community needs him.

But claiming that zealots are terrorists, well, that's a bit fanatic, isn't it?

Blah blah Godwin's Law (4, Interesting)

dmorin (25609) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269161)

For the younguns -- Professor Goodwin, U of I, in 1981 made the observation that Usenet discussions gravitate downhill. He postulated that as the length of a discussion thread grows, the probability approaches one (1) that one participant will introduce the terms "Hitler" or "Nazi". The custom has evolved that the first party to utter "Hitler" or "Nazi" has lost the discussion, and the thread terminates.

Our generation has a new bottom of the flamebait barrel. When somebody compares something to September 11 in an attempt to bolster their own argument, move on.

Re:Blah blah Godwin's Law (1)

glgraca (105308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269187)

Do you still loose if you are referring
to said law?

Re:Blah blah Godwin's Law (1)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269230)

Actually, 'Godwin's Law' was meant to apply to those week, month, even year-long USENET discussion threads. The ones that would not die.

It doesn't apply well to forums like this where no discussion ever goes on for longer than a day or two.

There's some sort of corallary that could be established about people who try to invoke 'Godwin's Law' that should be codified. Something like a participant's relevance to a discussion ends when they start babbling about 'Godwin's Law.'

Damn good thing ... (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269281)

That I didn't make my Nazi reference about demonising the opposition being the first step to controlling your own people, so as to get them to do what you want.

Jeez, if I said that I'd be up that creek without a paddle, in a barbwired canoe.

Re:Blah blah Godwin's Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269314)

You Nazi. Next thread, please.

reject Godwin's law (3, Insightful)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269329)

I reject Godwin's law, because Nazi's, Hitler, and Sept. 11 were real events, and comparisons are sometimes valid.

However, in this case... Heh, maybe I should rethink that :)

wow (-1, Redundant)

gsparrow (696382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269162)

Pull back the reins there boy.

Who Cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269163)

Use what works, bitch about what doesn't, whatever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269168) ( Open Source Liberation Front apperars to be availabe ) any takers ?

Easy way to tell... (5, Insightful)

PhxBlue (562201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269177)

I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorists because of the nature of their threats...

A zealot will tell you you're going to Hell. A terrorist will try to send you there.

Re:Easy way to tell... (0, Funny)

Dragoon (10644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269188)

Heh, excellent point :)

Its like microsoft, and linux.

Microsoft will attempt to give you a good user experience. Linux will actually deliver.

oh wait.. am i a zealot? damn.

Re:Easy way to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269327)

And a good salesman will tell you in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip

Re:Easy way to tell... (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269328)

A zealot will tell you you're going to Hell. A terrorist will try to send you there.

At the end of the day these are labels that are used by one group about another. Extremists exist everywhere, even some factions of our government appear more dangerous than some of the groups that we are meant to be scared of. Moderation and open mindness is usually the best way.

There are corporartions that will make as much noise as the Open Source 'zealots', but since they have the money and the influence, they can do it in a much more subtle way. The Open Source 'zealots' in many cases have little money, little influence, but plenty of passion.

Labels are labels, use them carefully. Extremism is bad, no matter what your cause.

oh dear. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269178)

there's a world of difference between threats and actions. Move along, nothing to see here.

Warballs - Lazy journalism (4, Interesting)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269179)

The English magazine Private Eye [] has a section called Warballs [] which pokes fun at the medias desire to relate anything and everything to Sept 11. Just another instance of lazy journalism.

Re:Warballs - Lazy journalism (4, Funny)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269257)

It's disturbing that you would say such a thing in the wake of September 11.

Re:Warballs - Lazy journalism (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269290)

Nice ;) You had me going for a moment there...

I have no idea (1)

squarefish (561836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269186)

what they're talking about

they'll probably blame it on the music [] I listen to....

Ridiculous (2, Insightful)

Infernon (460398) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269191)

Who the hell is this guy?
I've worked in the IT industry for about five years now. I've met all kinds of people who worked with many different kinds of operating systems. Programmers, sysadmins, netadmins, whatever... All of the open source gurus that I've encountered (every single one of them) have been respectful of other OS's. Not one of them is a huge M$ fan, but I believe that it's more because of M$'s business practice than anything else. With the exception of one BIND admin, these are very friendly people who are willing to teach those who are willing to listen, not shove their OS preference down the throats of others.
Who the hell are these zealots, Mr. Enderle? What world are you living in?
If there really are Linux Terrorists, I doubt that there would be anything to really worry about because an open source bomb should be fairly easy to disable:)
P-SHAW to you, Mr. Enderle. Dink.

Interesting choice of words (5, Insightful)

epseps (39675) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269192)

What could have been a valid critique of a technology movement devolved pretty fast when the comparison to terrorists was made.

How many people have Linux "Zealots" killed in the past year?

*crickets chirping*

One would think that after 9/11 we would have a real definition of what a terrorist is and what they do. Instead what we have is too many people willing to use the word "terrorist" as it suits them and their goals.

Pretty stupid.

Re:Interesting choice of words (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269236)

How many people have Linux "Zealots" killed in the past year?

That's only because they lack the upper-body strength required to actually fire a weapon.

That, and all Linux zealots do is talk trash online. They haven't the spine to be assholes in person.

Re:Interesting choice of words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269256)

Somebody has described the war on Terror as the war on an abstract noun.

As Above So Below (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269193)

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Satan S A T A N!!!!

Re:As Above So Below (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269282)

This message brought to you by Stan!

S T A N!

he's the man.

Both zealot and terrorist are subjective labels. (1)

ahfoo (223186) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269196)

This goes without saying. It's easy to equate the two because they're both typically used as slurs. This is like coming up with the theory that all assholes are motherfuckers. Hmm, it could be the case. Who's to say for sure. It certainly looks like something that could use some statistics to clear things up.
According to recent scientific research by scientist it has been proven scientifically that over 82 percent of assholes are also motherfuckers. In a similar study it was proven to .9937 degree of accuracy that many sonsofbitches are fucked up.
Further studies are ongoing.

Commenting on just Linux Zealots is silly (1)

sully67 (550574) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269200)

I've met any number of zealots and "priests" for different operating systems (Linux,BSD,Solaris,Windows etc)
Remove "Linux" and replace with "OS" and the article might be slightly closer to the mark.

Weird. (1)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269201)

Like the zealots he speaks of, he goes to far

That's odd. I was in Far just last week, and I didn't see a single zealot anywhere.

Oh, by the way, you forgot to capitalize Far.

Easy to sum up (1)

Erik Fish (106896) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269202)

Anyone I disagree with is a terrorist or has the potential to become a terrorist.

Excuse for behaviour (2, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269208)

Sorry, when people go WAY too far, they are just using whatever as an excuse or cover.
They likely aren't representative of the group, and their actions may be distasteful to the group they claim to be a part of.

I think it is truely offensive to say Sept 11 was a religious act, any more then child molesting priests is a religious act.

Is that really so far off? (2, Insightful)

hardgeus (6813) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269212)

Sure, as of right now no one is thinking about blowing anything up, but we still live in a pretty palatable world, quite unlike some of the religious terrorists who live a life of persecution.

Imagine a world where everything you believe in is being destroyed and you have precious few options.

Having trouble? OK, try this: DRM is in full swing and you have to pay per use of every piece of media, software, etc. etc. CPUs and BIOS have been hardwired for DRM, and Windows is the only game in town. Bye Bye Linux. You need to pay Mr. Gates for the right to vote (because it'll all be online don't ya know), you'll have to pay MS to pay your bills, use your cellphone, plug in a toaster, etc. etc. Computer classes in schools become RIAA propoganda lessons. (Have you been to the movies lately, BTW?) Copyrights become eternal and you can't write a piece of software without paying patent royalty fees to everyone under the sun (not to mention the licensing fees you pay just to turn the fucker on).

Still don't feel like blowing anything up?

WTF (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269219)

Omg lolz yhbt foad.

No, I mean seriously! I doesn't get much more obvious than that.


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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269288)

Can someone please remove this post? Its insulting, has nothing to do with the topic and doesn't represent slashdot very well (As the raving nerds that we are).


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269324)

Naah, we need messages like this to remind us that every fool can post here. Keeps us sharp.

What zealots? (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269221)

Who are these 'zealots'? I've never come across one. Their main existence seems to be as straw men for lame Slashdot posts to argue against.

RMS may be a zealot but he doesn't match the template given in the article (eg, Microsoft is not the Great Satan) or many of the beliefs attributed to him in Slashdot postings ('all software has to be GPL not BSD-licensed').

Lack of grouping (1)

madsdyd (228464) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269229)

At least one group lacks between the "pro" group he defines, and the "priest".

His pro group basically don't care about the platform they are running.

What about us that don't really care about what platform other people are running - as long as we are free to make our own choice? I do prefer Linux to other platforms, because it fits me, and I agree with the license. But I am not a "priest" - what choice other people make only affects me indirectly (if 99.99% choose windows, my choice of Linux gets harder). I do not care what my friends and relatives run. As long as I do not have to support it - if they want support from me, they must run something I want to support.

What am I? An amateur?

That said, I think the article is silly anyway.

Wait a minute... (2, Funny)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269232)

/. just melted the server this rant was on... So I guess Linux Zealots may be "terrorists" after all!

I can see the scene from here:

*sound of melted plastic bubbling from the crater that once was a web server*

User: Oh my gosh!! What happened to that server??
Admin: Your rant against the Linux Zealots was posted on Slashdot.
User: Oooops.
Admin: The server was slashdotted by 500,000 angry Slashdot readers. 45 seconds after the post.
User: Oooops.
Admin: (points silently to the spiky 5ft cluebat hanging on the wall behind his desk)
User: Oooops?
*loud thump*
User: I told you so! Linux zealots are terrorists!
Admin: Maybe, but I feel better now...

Another quote for you. (-1, Troll)

1s44c (552956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269238)

'Rob Enderle is to journalism wht arthur andersen is to accounting. What a lowlife lying asshole! He must work for microsuck'

From splay.shtml?id=18940

What happened to principles? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269240)

...zealots do not consider the repercussions of their actions

So now anyone who puts principle above pragmatism is a zealot (and by extension a terrorist)? What an incredibly short-sighted view.

are greed/fear based corepirate nazis terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269241)

you can bet your infactdead .asp they are. you can also bet that the efforts to 'associate' the hobbyist dogooders et AL, with something/anything negative, come directly from the whoreabull softwar gangsters from the felonious kingdumb of phonIE ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead payper liesense stock markup FraUD execrable.

felonous last gasper desperados they are. lookout bullow.

tell 'em robbIE? tell 'em you're not won of them? you've just been MiSled buy all the phonIE bright lights & promises of endless 'fortunes'?

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269244)

I think fanatics are the problem for the linux expansion. Example: In spain there are many zealots in sites like They are fanatics and idolatres stallman and linus meanwhile hates everyone who has used windows one time.

Ridiculous! (0, Troll)

jimbolaya (526861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269249)

How did the September 11 attacks show us that "zealots of any movement represent a huge risk"? It showed us nothing other than the risks posed by zealots of one particular movement. That tragic incident cannot be extrapolated to zealots or movements at large.

Is this feed the trolls week? (1)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269250)

First we are supposed to not go to Forbes for writing a troll. Obviosuly, we were then "Zealots" for not wanting to read trolls.

Now we are supposed to read this troll? WTF? Apparently it is not ok, to believe in Open Source "an-sich" as the author then claims youll be either a linux priest or a terrorist.

Put the trolls in a cage, let them yell "Zealot" at each other. Spare _me_ these nonsense.


The point of intellictual Zealots... (1)

newwind (717529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269253)

is to continue the discussion hoping to change the mind of the other side. Most of the people I consider a "Linux Zealot" might hurt your feelings every now and again but the argument itself is there battle. The 9/11 Terrorist spent years of there lives "underground" not discussing or engaging the other side in dialog. That seems to be the main difference although honestly there is much more.

My opinions about linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269254)

I teach OS concepts at a major college.

What I've experienced with Linux is thus.

It's for sure an inferior OS to UNIX and Windows because...

1)It's really hard to use
2)Not very stable
3)Has little real security

It's for sure dangerous to businesses and business computing in general because...

1)It's source code is basically stolen from others work.
2)It is free and has no market(money) driving it's development so therefore it's not good for the economy and the public interest in general
3)The philosophy behind the distribution of Linux is Un-American and more like communism.
This cannot be good for our country.
It allows terrorists just enough encryption and power to aid them in their efforts to KILL us.
4)The source is provided so ANYONE can create scripts and such to slam a linux system.

It's role should just be for teaching OS concepts.
In that role Linux is great. We use it in our classroom but I certainly explain to my students that it is not a real OS like Sun, SCO or Windows.
If a student writes in a paper in my class and lists Linux as one of the OS's that make up the major market then they get an F on that paper.
The reason is because Linux is not in the major Market it is in the minor market - the second rate
special purpose OS's. Linux is not general enough
to be considered an universal OS.

In it's current state Linux is not ready for primetime. It will never be until Linus Torvalds
does the following.

1) Settle disputes with the IP holder of UNIX (SCO).
2) Restricted source license.
3) Make it a TRUE commercail OS
4) Single source for distributing.(No SUSE, NO RH)

After a couple of years of that you will see
Linux become a first tier OS instead of a novelty

All I am saying is let's be realistic about what Linux is and is not.

I am in the middle of an experiment.
With the release of RH8 I decided to make it
my exclusive Desktop OS to do all my work on it
for one year.

I bought RH 8 when it came out and the thing I noticed was I had to do about 6 weeks of almost constant tweeking and refining and reinstalling
I finaly had it about 15% as productive as Windows 98! Think about that!
It is also much much slower that Windows98.
Even though I only load the absolutley minimum processes.

1)It is not faster than Windows
2)Does not manage memory better than NT or XP.
3)The GUI is much less stable and crashes much more than winNT, XP or 98.

These are just facts.

No (2, Insightful)

chegosaurus (98703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269260)

But an awful lot of them are idiots.

Zealots are necessary (1)

Hamfist (311248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269264)

If there isn't some aspect of extremism, the real problems never get laid out. Though we are far from perfect, we are much closer to perfect than we were before a bunch of ball-busting, man-hating , feminist zealots pushed the issues onto us testosterone types.

Where would the women's movement be without it's radicals (zealots).

Our society flatly rejects violence, whatever its cause. Most violence is not caused by zealots.

Time to declare Jihad on SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269270)

Agreed. This SCO nonsense has gone on far too long. Why doesn't Linus just declare Jihad ("Holy War") on SCO?

those insolent bastards! (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269276)

I'll kill them! I'll kill them all!


Seriously, that is just absolutely hilarious! I think it's pretty obvious how much the anti-OSS folks are grasping at straws.



Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269278)

You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day.

Now, please post another KDE vs. GNOME flamewar.

Corp versus Users? (1)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269283)

I think it's pretty funny that he's comparing one userbase against a corporation's practices/products. He should write an article on trojans, spyware, security, and operating system resilience and bring out the true windows users. You know why I like Linux? More than often, you have to read the docs to set stuff up. That shows initiative on the user's behalf. When windows users rtfm as much as linux users and get a clue, then we can compare the userbase.

Within both camps there will be idiots. Those that can't figure out Linux will be back on Windows and the average IQ of both groups will rise.


WTF?? (1)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269285)

You mean my plan of driving that A-Bomb into Redmont is actually a bad idea?

Re:WTF?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269311)

Absolutely! Never ever do something like that! Use an H-homb instead, they are much more powerfull! ;-)

Re:WTF?? (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269323)

You mean my plan of driving that A-Bomb into Redmont is actually a bad idea?

Yes, thats a bad idea.

A better one would be to prove that open source ( GPL and BSD code ) is better than closed source and that open standards are always the way to go.

September 11th lesson.... (1)

pirhana (577758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269292)

>I strongly believe that if September 11th showed us anything, it was that zealots of any movement represent a huge risk to that movement because they do not consider the repercussions of their actions.

I strongly belive that if september 11th showed us anything, it was that the best way to FUD against any person or movement is calling him(them) "zealot" "terrorist" or "fanatist".

I'm amazed. (2, Insightful)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269295)

I'm really astounded that something like this has made it to the front page. I would think Taco would be able to resist posting something like this over all the years.

I mean, holy crap, this will go down in troll history. This guy will flip out when he sees he made the front page.

Grouping Zealots (0)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269306)

I don't think it is fair to group all zealots in the same group. A religeous zealot should be in a group of their own, as should a coffee zealot. I don't think that they can really compare. Grouping all zealots together and making such a generalization is like grouping all anti-abortionists (pro-life) zealots together and saying that they all want to kill every abortion doctor. That is clearly not the case and some of them are reasonable (with respect to the killing).

I wish I could come up with a better anology to which compare this silly grouping that the author did, but I can't. Anyways. Grouping all zealots together is stupid as the general intentions are different. Some require action (religeon) and some don't (coffee better than tea or whatever).

Where's far? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269307)

Guess that's what you get when you drop out of school and join a dot-com.

Impressive... (1)

Empiric (675968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269312)

Wow. This is actually a very rare piece of journalism, one which is entirely constructed of ad hominem and straw man arguments, while containing no actual content whatsoever.

I guess just creating arbitratry categories of people and then fancifully ascribing to each whatever comes to mind qualifies one as a "Principal Analyst".

Maybe time for a career change for me...

<job application>In my experience, there are three types of Republicans, which I'll call "Pro Republicans", "Priest Republicans", and "Zealot Republicans"; they are like this...</job application>

You notice his definition of PRO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269319)

You notice that his definition of a linux PRO is someone that uses windows. I am a certified Linux professional and I never use windows. I don't care what operating system one chooses to run. Now I do jab the Windows admins frequently by kicking them when they are down, but hey thats the nature of the game get over it.


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269321)

what a peter puffer

Well now. It's a good way to lock away people (1)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7269322)

Say you don't agree with what they have to say. You define them as a terrorist and lock them up indefinitely.

Recent anti terrorist legislation has made this entirely plausible in the UK.

When I was younger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7269326)

When I was younger LInux was the only thing good and windows was satan. But in later times I use GNU/Linux because it has NVIDIA drivers, my network card works (not in FreeBSD (or I don't have the energy to get it to work) ) and I don't use windows because it does not fit on my harddrive, and an UNIX environment is superior for programming. Now I also use MacOS X for my iBook,works great!

Just one thing, all my hardware doesn't work in windows either!
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