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Microsoft's Take on iTunes for Windows

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the hello-mr-kettle-meet-mr-pot dept.

Microsoft 588

Skruffy writes "The Register has an amusing article about Microsoft's reaction to the launch of Apple's iTunes software on Windows. It seems that Microsoft is very keen to warn its users of the dangers of using a service that would restrict them from accessing music from other sources... Oh the irony."

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Kinda like a testicle in the wind. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270057)

Lift and smootch, says me.

I disabled adds on slashdot.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270063)

Does that make me a thief?

This is very very old (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270064)

even for /.

Open Standards (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270065)

How wide open should the standards be? This [goatse.cx] wide.

OH MY GOD! Do not click that link (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270105)

That is really disgusting, I mean you could actually fit a basketball in there. What sick pervert would do that to himself?

Re:OH MY GOD! Do not click that link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270209)

You're new here, aren't you?

Re:OH MY GOD! Do not click that link (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270247)


You're new here, aren't you?

Re:OH MY GOD! Do not click that link (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270341)

That is really disgusting, I mean you could actually fit a basketball in there. What sick pervert would do that to himself?
I haven't actually laughed that much at a /. post for a long time, wait till we read his/her response to TubGirl(TM)

Oh that's rich! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270067)

Are they serious? LOL

Re:Oh that's rich! (1, Funny)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270234)

Are they serious? LOL

I'm sorry, "LOL" has been copyrighted/trademarked/patented/ by AOL. Please edit your post to reflect this. I suggest "Are they srious? AOL"

Thankyou for your time.
moo.
-1 Offtopic (sorry, i'm bored)

DUPE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270068)

DUPE!

stuff is good but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270070)

microsoft can burn in hell

"Limited Selection" (5, Funny)

rmohr02 (208447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270078)

[U]sers of iTunes are limited to music from Apple's Music Store.
No shit! I'm getting rid of iTunes right now!

Re:"Limited Selection" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270118)

You must be an idiot or it is a joke I am missing this morning.

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What I'm afraid of ... (1, Insightful)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270080)

... is that M$ starts a new monopoly on iTunes-like apps, especially that Napster 2 has been launched a while back, isn't this what M$ does all the time?

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (3, Interesting)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270135)

But Napster 2 sucks. There was a review on /. the other day, and the poor reviewer couldn't get his machine to stop crashing when he attempted to open it. Plus, Windoze users seem to have taken to iTunes like a duck to water (my girlfriend is probably buying music right now). iTunes is here to stay, and I wouldn't be surprised if it had a monopoly on pay-for-play services within a year.

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (2, Informative)

AceCaseOR (594637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270245)

Well, according to the Napster web site [napster.com] Napster 2 is currently still in beta testing anyway. That bug should have been fixed before the software went to Beta, but hopefully it'll get caught (or have already been caught), before the release of the "finished product" on the 29th.

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (2, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270262)


my girlfriend is probably buying music right now

You read /. and have a girlfriend? Begone, infidel!

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (5, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270202)

Unless they pull an Internet Explorer and give the software away with Windows (even then, the next version of Windows is years away), I don't see how they could steal users away from Apple's service without actually making their service better than Apple's - which would actually be a great thing. Two huge corporations battling to make music services better and cheaper - nice.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (1)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270230)

Automatically installed with a SP or something maybe? Or with the next version of windows media player?

Re:What I'm afraid of ... (2, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270312)

Yeah, but how many home users actually install service packs or upgrade media player? I'd say at least a good 85% of home Windows users don't even know how to get to Windows update.

Unless it comes in one of the auto-updates (which I really doubt they'd do), I don't think they'd be able to actually get it to a significant amount of people through an update.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

One way of making their software better (3, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270302)

would be to have Clippy play air-guitar while listening to music. and include even more purple color in their default skin.

Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270083)

Filty yellowish-blck rotting shit stained teeth with breath that smells like dog vomit. Even wealthy parasites like the royal family have awful decaying teeth. Why is that.

Also is that old hag the queen mum still alive?
I always hated that evil woman.

I think it is called socialized medicine.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270130)

or a lack of personal hygiene on the part of the English.

Re:Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270241)

Why do american assholes find pleasure in insulting other people? Because they do not know what civilisation is. No, not the Sid Meier thing. See what I mean?

A feeling of superiority is quite often caused by a hidden feeling of inferiority. Now I know americans have enough to feel inferior about. I know there are no snipers here trying to kill me. Why ist that? Because the americans have so many friends?

have to ac this. not gonna spoil karma on ignorance and inferiority.

Why are you so annoyed? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270290)

Because Americans don't give a damn about your shitty old world and certainly don't care at all about what you think about us. Really annoys you chaps now doesn't it?

Re:Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (-1, Flamebait)

smiley2billion (599641) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270315)

"american assholes find pleasure in insulting other people?" b/c we're assholes? Right, now go brush your teeth.

Re:Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270288)

Why is that.

That's a question and questions end with a question mark, thus: ?

You also appear to have a broken A key and trouble working out when to use capital letters. Back to your Double Plus Good Edumacation School with you.

Re:Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (1)

smiley2billion (599641) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270343)

"Back to your Double Plus Good Edumacation School with you." Watch out, I have a degree from there. Go Bobcats.

OR (3, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270084)

"from the doesn't-play-well-with-others dept."
or
"from the I'm-taking-my-toys-and-going-home dept."

What a bunch of babies.

More Microsoft FUD (0, Redundant)

stanmann (602645) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270085)

I didn't know that Itunes couldn't import my mp3's and make playlists, guess it's back to Realjukebox...

Re:More Microsoft FUD (1)

FrEaK7782 (588564) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270119)

I don't know if this was supposed to be a joke or not. But either way, you can import your mp3's. I know I did. You can also convert them to AAC. While I haven't bothered burning anything, I assume all AAC files would burn properly.

Re:More Microsoft FUD (1)

stanmann (602645) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270138)

IT was supposed to be a joke... The article quoted microsoft as claiming that Itunes could only use music files from the apple music store... I guess that's what I get for reading the FA.

Re:More Microsoft FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270134)

Was that sarcasm?

Re:More Microsoft FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270171)

IF you can't tell, you shouldn't be reading slashdot. In fact, you shouldn't be allowed on the interweb unsupervised.

in related news... (-1, Troll)

mandalayx (674042) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270086)

George W. Bush warns against the dangers of lying demagogues.

Bush has never lied moron (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270194)

He and Ashcroft are responsible for keeping your sorry ass alive from any repeated terrorist attacks. Has there been one incident in US since 9/11? And you show your thanks by calling him a lying demagogue? You should be on your knees thanking these brave men for keeping losers like you safe and sound. Good God consider the alternative; a indesicive alpha male robot like Gore as President? Scary huh?

Re:Bush has never lied moron (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270257)

Brave men? This coming from an AC.

Re:Bush has never lied moron (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270334)

By all means, if he doesn't have an account at Slashdot, then his comments could not possibly carry any merit. [/sarcasm]

PS - in the Irony Dept... previous post by AC (I'm an AC, b/c I don't feel like getting an acct :-P )

Re:in related news... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270229)

Bush just trying to keep your sorry liberal ass from being blown up in precious old berkely. Evans hall could be a target for the terrorists, nah no nothing but useless live forms there.

Of course microsoft would say that (1)

bodrick (25716) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270088)

I mean they are the biggest controlling monopoly there is ;)

register down? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270089)

Humm.. weird.. no register.. no article..

I'll post the typical rant than..

M$ sucks.. what you expect..

When will they have Itunes for LINUX??

OK... (3, Insightful)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270091)

But how does iTunes restrict you from obtaining music from other sources? I can go to a concert. I can listen to the radio. I can play my own music. I can go to the record store. I can even use Kazaa. How is iTunes restricting me?

Re:OK... (1)

moehoward (668736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270185)

Really? You can listen to the radio? Try one of the 128k stations. Total crap even with massive bandwidth. Worthless.

Heck, even the 28k stations are horrible compared to what I listen to through Media Player 9.

iTunes restricts what you can do with what you buy. You have fewer rights with iTunes than with buying CDs, although the cost is roughly the same. It will only take you a few minutes of education to burst your bubble.

Re:OK... (1)

Atryn (528846) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270299)

I know this may be shocking for some high-tech folks but I believe he was saying he could listen to the RADIO [reference.com] not to a streaming media service calling itself radio.

In other words, having iTunes does not in any way "limit" his ability to use other means of obtaining music. It merely provides the convenience of obtaining music in a user-friendly environment for use on a limited set of devices.

Re:OK... (5, Insightful)

quigonn (80360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270304)

You have fewer rights with iTunes than with buying CDs

Not of you burn them onto a CD and rip them again. And that is the major difference between Apple and Microsoft: Apple provides a legal way to "circumvent" DRM when the user is willing to spend some time to burn a CD and rip it again. That is real fair use, IMHO.

Re:OK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270333)

You young 'uns might not remember ancient technology, but some of us old farts still have actual real FM radios that can tune into and amplify real FM radio stations that still play music. It's based on radio wave propogation and analogue technology, which I know might sound scary to you kids, but believe me it does actually work!

Unless iTunes comes with its own software based FM frequency blocking software, that is.

Re:OK... (5, Insightful)

EricWright (16803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270349)

...yet with iTMS, you have far MORE rights than you do with any other major online music purchasing site. The whole point is that the masses want a method of buying music without either a) going to the store and dropping change for a physical disc, or b) buying a CD online and waiting 1-7 days for delivery.

The iTMS restrictions are a) no more than 10 burns of a playlist containing an iTMS track (fine, make a different playlist), b) sharing iTMS tracks with no more than 3 (or is it 5) other computers on your local network, c) no sharing over external networks, d) no direct conversion to another format (gotta burn to disc, then re-rip in another format). What about that is so awful? No, it doesn't allow for wholesale piracy, I mean sharing. Yes, the tracks are in protected AAC/MPEG4 format. How is this better/worse from protected WMA format? Have you looked at the restrictions on tracks from buymusic.com? Many (most? all?) of the other sites restrict your use of the purchased tracks to the machine to which you originally downloaded the tracks. That's it...

Checking a select few sites:

napster.com (pressplay.com is a redirect here) requires Windows, requires IE5+, requires WMP7+.

buymusic.com requires IE5+ and Windows (not using IE, I don't get any further than that requirement page... I'm sure WMP is required).

iTMS requires iTunes. Now, there is no restriction to Mac only, and an external browser is not needed at all. This seems less restrictive than other sites (fine, bitch all you want about no linux/*BSD/etc. support).

I do wish the quality was a bit higher, since the price of an full iTMS album is relatively similar to the price of a CD, but it's a trade off. You get (almost) what you want, when you want it, and you have more control over iTMS tracks than any legally downloadable music.

Re:OK... (1)

rockhome (97505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270188)

I think they are restricting you in what hardware your downloaded songs will play on, but that is a pretty thin argument really. It sort of glosses over the fact that the iPod is a seriously cool, useful, and attractive device.

Re:OK... (5, Informative)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270189)

You're misunderstanding Microsoft's claim. They're saying that by using iTunes to rip CDs [to AAC] or the Apple Music Store [to purchase AAC files] you are limiting your ability to use those files [since they not only contain DRM, but cannot be played in some software or on some MP3 portable devices].

The logical fallacy is that iTunes can of course play AAC [negating the concern about playing the files on your computer], and that iTunes is actually a sales-device for the iPod which of course can play AAC.

What's more ironic, and is being stated by several people already, is that all of Microsoft's efforts at distributing music [i.e. as partners with music distributing sites] involve the use of WMA format and DRM. Those files, of course, are no more useable than AAC, not to mention the particular point that WMA is not compatible with the iPod.

What it comes down to is this: there is a true dividing line between the Apple music scene [i.e. AAC/iPod/iTunes] and the Microsoft music scene [i.e. WMA/Napster 2.0/Media Player], and Microsoft isn't happy that the Apple side is beating them.

That said, I'm still using windows...just also using iTunes with my iPod, and purchasing AAC music.

Re:OK... (5, Informative)

stanmann (602645) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270232)

But Ripped AAC don't contain DRM, only downloaded AAC from the Apple music store..., and Itunes can Rip MP3 as well...

Re:OK... (4, Insightful)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270254)

Hey, I'm not supporting Microsoft's argument, just trying to explain it. As I said, I think Microsoft is at best criticizing Apple for precisely what they [microsoft] are doing, just because Apple is doing it better.

Incidentally, as to circumventing the AAC DRM: if you burn to a CD [which you can do unlimited times with AAC files] you can then re-rip it to either DRM -free AAC files or MP3 or whatever. Obvioulsy, a loss of quality incurred whenever you recompress, but from my tests thus far [going from 128 AAC > CD > 128 AAC or 192 MP3] I've yet to notice any actual difference [although file size sometimes varies].

Re:OK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270236)

It restricts you in that you can only purchase AAC stuff from iTMS and only use the AAC music that you purchased directly with an iPod. Use with any other portable requires playlist -> burn CD -> re rip without DRM -> move to player. PITA. Several models from several manufacturers (Creative, Rio, Dell and Samsung coming soon) support WMA directly, so you don't go through any hassle or quality loss just to get the music on your player. And that's the format used by basically everyone OTHER than Apple.

That's if your computer still boots after you install iTunes and it doesn't crash while your downloading music or trying to burn a CD. read the horror stories [apple.com] here.

wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270095)

talk about doublespeak [slashdot.org]

I thought MS already said this, and they indeed did.

This from the restriction overlords themselves... (3, Insightful)

Gunfighter (1944) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270097)

Hrmm... I guess, according to Microsoft's logic, I should switch to WindowsXP so that I won't be restricted to viewing music, movies, etc. in non-Microsoft^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstandard formats.

Yeah, right. If Microsoft understood open formats, they would have launched their own music download service months ago.

Now I remember why my cluebat has a permanant imprint of Mr. Gates' forehead on one side.

Re:This from the restriction overlords themselves. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270167)

Now I remember why my cluebat has a permanant imprint of Mr. Gates' forehead on one side.

Oh please. Bill Gates has made Microsoft one of the most successful companies of all time. Your "cluebat" is useless to Mr. Gates.

Re:This from the restriction overlords themselves. (3, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270244)

Actually the "cluebat" would be useful for many corporate CEO's... Apple included.

If companies could be forced compete on the merits of their products alone (instead of trying to trap customers and lock them in), this world would be taking a step in the right direction.

Re:This from the restriction overlords themselves. (1)

Walterk (124748) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270208)

Could you please stop hitting him on the head with your bat? Maybe that's one of the reason's he's braindead.

DAMN IT!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270107)

This was just posted a few days ago. Tell my why again I should subscribe? I have been thinking about subscribing for the past few days, but I can make up my mind. Crap like this doesn't help.

Re:DAMN IT!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270255)

iTunes is free to download. There is no subscription fee. I suggest you download the software and evaluate the service yourself.

Re:DAMN IT!!!! (0)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270284)

I've been looking for a way to browse the song collections for sale without downloading and installing the software... if they have enough of what I'm interested in, I'll consider installing Windows again...

Subscribe? (2, Informative)

edw (10555) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270314)

To the iTunes Music Store? There is no subscription fee. The only risk you run is that you need to keep iTunes installed on your computer in order to play pruchased music. Or, you could buy an iPod. Or, you could burn and then re-rip the music, which of course carries a quality penalty unless you rip to a lossless format.

To /. (-1, Offtopic)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270353)

Subscribe to /.

It would follow that if I am bitching about /., then I would be talking about subscribing to /.

Hee hee. (-1, Offtopic)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270108)

How appropriate that the banner ad at the top of my screen reads:

"Missed Yesterday's News? Slashdot: News, every day, whether you need it or not."

Dupes: they're not a mistake, they're a public service!

2 MS Bashing Stories in a Row! (1)

moehoward (668736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270117)

Cool! Taco must be shaking in his boots, running scared due to today's release of Office 2003.

OK. I'm just sort of kidding. But really. This ramped up bashing does not look good when MS does a big release like they are today. It looks like sour grapes. Which, of course, it is...

Why not get more positive on what you believe in, rather than bash?

And just look at the story just before the consecutive MS bashing stories... It's about linux zealots gone wild. Hmmmm.

dupe (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270124)

this wasn't all that interesting when it was first posted a few days ago, and it hasn't got any better with age.

Re:dupe (1)

moehoward (668736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270216)

Amazing that Taco posted both stories.

The smell of desperation is embarassing. How pathetic.

"MS released a new version of Office! Oh no!! Prepare to bash at full speed!"

Best use of Ironic tag... (1, Funny)

Brendan Byrd (105387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270126)

<img src="http://img.fark.com/images/2001/topics/ironic .gif">

Oh wait...wrong site.

which means they see it as a threat? (5, Interesting)

westcourt_monk (516239) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270127)

I think MS might be worried here. Apple has product placement now and it has the cool factor. MS will have a hard time breaking into the market for sure now. Their stance on DRM makes their AAC criticism look foolish. Do they not have a public relations office?

If Apple hits the 10 million mark by Christmas I will be impressed, MS will be scared, and the RIAA might start to be quiet.. maybe.

Re:which means they see it as a threat? (5, Informative)

bubbasatan (99237) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270348)

If Apple hits the 10 million mark by Christmas I will be impressed...

I think I heard that Unca Steve and company have stated that their goal is 100 million songs sold by the end of this year. Considering that they sold 13 million to approximately 5% of the market (Apple users), and have since sold 1 million in the first 3.5 days of iTMS for Windows and Mac, that's pretty impressive. I don't know if 100 million is gonna happen, but hey, everybody needs to aspire to something.

MS has always cared about the freedom to choose (5, Funny)

Dr. q00p (714993) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270132)

Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and Windows XP. What's your problem?

My take on this...written by me (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270136)

MS's path to more "choice" will include more baseline restrictions and DRM.

If Apple can keep things a little simpler, and a little more limited, and offer the flexibility that they do (burning audio copies to CD, etc), as much as we geeks might complain, it's probably easier for the average consumer to grasp.

Sure, I'd love to see a mainstream offering with a huge library selling DRM-less MP3s, but that doesn't seem likely to happen, and it's certainly not going to come from Microsoft.

Round 2! (2, Insightful)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270139)

I think we had this story already.

It *is* extremely hypocritical, but also typical, of Microsoft to make thiese kinds of statements. They're really upset that

  1. iTMS is better than their "solutions" for digital music.
  2. iTunes is better software than Windows Media Player 9 (wuh, it's awful to use).
  3. It doesn't lock anyone into MICROSOFT products

you can import... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270140)

I dont understand... you can import any of your existing music into iTunes.. how is this limiting to ITMS?

need a good subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270144)

So they are complaining that there isn't enough choice while The US Government is still looking into them about DRM [excite.com] ?

They should be warning people instead.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270147)

About the iTunes "features" that seem to be impacting a significant number of people, particularly on 2K. Many systems won't boot (and it doesn't seem repairable in many cases) and some are getting their mp3 files scrambled and renamed without any clear warning.

At the least it sounds incredibly buggy. I'm sure people will be "switching" in droves now.

http://arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/03q2/i-tunes-1.h tml [arstechnica.com]

The non-booting issue only effects people with... (2, Informative)

voss (52565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270301)

Easy Cd creator 4.x
that have directcd installed
as far as I can tell.

All you have to do as far as I can
tell is uninstall directcd before installing
itunes which most people dont use anyway

And you think i would want to pay for dupes ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270148)


i was going to subscribe to support a site i like but everytime i see a dupe i think fuck it let the other people pay for it and ill keep reading for free and blocking your adverts and webbugs

intelligence != common sense

Convert (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270152)

Restricted? since we all own the original media, why not convert from that?

Irony (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270155)

Oh the irony.

Irony:
1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

Dishonest, but not ironic.

sour grapes (0)

Sillypuddy (553215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270165)

Looks like sour grapes to me

if they came out first they won't be singing the same song (haha)

-joe

I love it! (0)

craqboy (588418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270166)

Is it just me or did apple just send a missle by porting an awesome audio app to windows.

Somebody needs to take over the market from Microsoft and I do not see why Apple would not be the perfect company to do this.

Rock on apple.

Are the planets aligned??? (1, Funny)

overbyj (696078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270170)

I was going to write a comment on this but after thinking about how absurd this is, I am completely stumped. Thank you MS, you have completely sucked the witty comebacks out of me with this one.

Feds, states question XP's music link (5, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270206)

In related news [com.com] :

Federal and state regulators have voiced concern that a feature in Windows XP that involves online music purchasing may violate terms of Microsoft's antitrust settlement.

The issue surfaced in a court-mandated briefing filed jointly by Microsoft and federal and state regulators. The compliance update says there are ongoing discussions over the "Shop for Music Online" feature in the operating system.

"Plaintiffs are concerned that the feature invokes Microsoft's Internet Explorer, rather than the user's chosen default browser, in a manner that may be inconsistent" with the settlement, according to the filing.

Perfect irony (1)

dethl (626353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270225)

Let me get this straight....they were sued for having a monopoly, yet now are accusing Apple, with a market share from 4% to 5% of being a monopoly in the music service?

Mr.Gates, the people have spoken, with 1 million songs downloaded from iTMS in 3.5 days, and they don't want your crap for "standards".

The only amazing thing is.. (1)

js3 (319268) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270235)

they managed to turn that quote into an entire article. So microsoft doesn't like itunes.. who would have thought

Dejavuvuvuvuvuvuvuvavu... (1)

Denyer (717613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270259)

I'm barely arrived on the scene and even I recognise this as a repost...

ObGEEK: So, what do we reckon the DRM restrictions put in place will be when Microsoft launch their own store?

I'm thinking there's a (slim as anything) chance they might recognise the need for CD burning of purchases content.

The pot and the kettle are both black. (4, Informative)

3Suns (250606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270264)

"Unless Apple decides to make radical changes to their service model, a Windows-based version of iTunes will still remain a closed system, where iPod owners cannot access content from other services. Additionally, users of iTunes are limited to music from Apple's Music Store. As I mentioned earlier, this is a drawback for Windows users, who expect choice in music services, choice in devices, and choice in music from a wide-variety of music services to burn to a CD or put on a portable device," said Fester. David, that is.


Huh? iTunes is not limited to Apple Music downloads, it also plays mp3s, audio CDs, and pretty much anything other un-DRMed audio you have. The iPod has always played mp3s. What's Apple supposed to do, preemptively invent DRM solutions that profit other companies and put those into iTunes? And iTunes does allow you to burn to an audio CD. MS WMP would do no different than Apple here.

Granted, Apple Music downloads are useless to anyone without iTunes (on Windows or Mac) or an iPod. Until I can play them in linux, they're useless to me. And don't tell me to burn everything to a CD and then rip it. Apple Music is also useless if you want to listen on a non-apple portable. Once again, Apple has chosen to support "everyone" by offering a choice of proprietary systems, rather than a single open system. "Windows or Mac" is just as bad as "Mac only" or "Windows only".

link to the referenced article (5, Informative)

ih8apple (607271) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270282)

I can't believe no one looked this up yet. Anyway, this link [microsoft.com] goes to the Microsoft "Q&A about iTunes" that the Register article refers to.

BuyTunes (5, Interesting)

n0wak (631202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270305)

I tried to buy, er, tunes on buytunes.com once, but all I got was:

Thank you for visiting BuyMusic.com.

In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.


All for using Firebird. News flash: Microsoft browser monopoly too restrictive. Asses.

Slashdot is a single source (5, Funny)

11223 (201561) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270306)

Microsoft today warned users of the danger of OSDN's Slashdot service, saying it was a single source for dup articles [slashdot.org] that would never satisfy the needs of Windows users. "Our users are accustomed to reading their dups from a variety of MSNBC and Slate-carrying services, but Slashdot is a single source for its own dups," claimed Microsoft CEO Steve Monkeyballs.

Analysts noted that Slashdot, despite obtaining over 1 million page views in its first week, will have a hard time with the Windows market. "We believe that an open system like Microsoft's is the way to go," claimed the Garter Belt Group.

More interesting (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270308)

Is that Microsoft is already being checked up on for their upcoming music service:

http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/10/20/microsof t/index.html [salon.com] .

Microsoft's idea of "choice" is a button on the side that reads "Buy Music Online". Even if you tell the system "I prefer another browser to yours", or "I prefer another media player to yours", you get sent to the "Microsoft Music Store".

No way to override that unless you manually start up a separate program to begin with. Looks like you can't just delete that little button from the OS.

Imagine the phone call when some irate customer calls Apple and says "I clicked this Buy Music Button on my computer and I can't play it with this iTunes thing! What kind of scam are you pulling!"

Ah, yes - Microsoft, that bastion of choice and freedom! (Well, as long as you choose a Microsoft solution, of course.)

irony no. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270319)

why dont i see any criticism for
apple$ software with apple only product use.
microsoft products at least work with other
vendor products, not only their own hardware (MS from what i know does not have any hardware). I find slashdots criticisms blatantly hypocritical. If MS had MSTunes with wma only music being sold there would be no sympathy on this board. But what makes you people support apple so blindly. makes no sense to me. We should essentially be critical of ALL propietary non-free things.

I'm supporting MS here, cause at least they dont sell MS hardware. Apple sells their crap on their own hardware. They monopolize more so than MS.
What IRONY ? MS monopolizes only the software windows end, so what?. Apple monopolizes everything, hardware, software, periperhal products, retail (Apple Stores).
yeah flamebait me, I dont care.

Laugh all you want... (4, Insightful)

jdreed1024 (443938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270321)

...but unless the users see through this, MS might just gain the upper hand. Yes, yes, it's all FUD, we know, but do the users know? These are the same users who upgrade just because something is newer, and when their 'net connection dies, they call the helpdesk saying "My Microsoft is broken".

Apple needs to fight this with some powerful prime-time adverisements. (Like they did for the "Switch" campaign, except without the annoying chick). They need to remind users that iTunes can play any MP3s (and WAV files), and their iPods can be used to take their entire CD collection on the road with them - not just purchased music from the iTunes Music store. (Heck, that was one of the major reasons why I bought one - you can easily press "Next track" on the iPod while driving, but it's hard to change CDs, and CD changers are expensive and only hold 6-10 CDs).

Apple also needs to do more plugging on the fact that users can burn any number of plain vanilla audio CDs containing their purchased tracks. (You can only burn the same _playlist_ 10 times if it contains purchased tracks, but you can burn the tracks themselves any number of times. The playlist restriction is to prevent you from downloading an album, making a playlist of that album, and burning 50 copies and selling/giving them to your friends. And really, that's not unreasonable - would you do that with CDs you purchased?)

My opinion on this matter (-1, Flamebait)

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In other news.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7270345)

[techsunite.org]
http://www.techsunite.org/news/techind/031020_md .c fm

October 20, 2003

MD State Lawmaker to Fight Export of Jobs
By Mark Gruenberg
Press Associates Union News Service

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'We have to play up the insanity of sending jobs overseas at a time when we have high unemployment in our own country.'

-- Paul Almeida, President, AFL-CIO Department for Professional Employees
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COLLEGE PARK, Md. (PAI) -- Pauline Menes wants to stop export of white-collar jobs from Maryland before an exodus starts.

And the way to do so, the state delegate believes, is to put the weight of the state government behind the Free State's white-collar workers.

Menes, a Democrat from College Park, met Oct. 15 in its city hall with unionists concerned about the issue, to discuss strategy for and details of legislation on the issue that she will introduce in the state capital of Annapolis next year.

Her legislation, like measures in other states, would ban state agencies and contractors from exporting white-collar jobs -- computer techs, data processing, engineering and the like -- to other countries. Those exports deprive U.S. workers of jobs.

Though Maryland has yet to experience such an exodus of white-collar government jobs, other states had such migration. And the departure of private white-collar jobs is worse.

Public pressure in New Jersey, for example, forced the state to bring nine white-collar jobs that a contractor had outsourced to India -- handling a "help line" for welfare recipients -- back to Camden, an area of high unemployment.

But in Florida, Gov. Jeb Bush (R) let some similar welfare-related jobs go overseas via a state contractor.

Studies estimate that at least 3.3 million private-sector white collar jobs will be exported in the next decade to nations such as Russia, China and India. There, workers with similar skills would perform them -- at much lower cost -- for firms such as Microsoft, IBM, the Bank of America and Hewlett-Packard.

Meanwhile, high-tech workers here at home would be jobless -- and the vaunted "information economy" which was supposed to make up for blue-collar job losses would not do so.

Menes admits her bill would affect few state government jobs, but it would have more impact on state contractors. And its real impact is as a signal to Maryland's high-tech companies. "It's a way to influence them," she points out.

"We have to take people to Annapolis who know the problem and get them to talk to the (legislative) committees about it" at next year's hearings, she said. "That way they would understand its importance to you and to the rest of the labor movement."

That may be easier said than done. "White collar workers have traditionally not been very good at advocating for themselves," said Paul Almeida, President of the AFL-CIO Department of Professional Employees, who attended the meeting. "If the public was aware and raised its voice, this would stop." That happened in New Jersey, he noted.

Other participants included top DPE official Mike Gildea, and Mike Blain of WashTech -- a Seattle-based Communications Workers local that has led the fight on the issue.

They agreed a state-by-state strategy is the best way to get federal attention to the white-collar job exodus. Some federal lawmakers are already paying attention. The House Small Business Committee held its second hearing on the issue on Oct. 20.

And the Justice Department is investigating a case where a California-based manufacturer of Palm Pilot-type devices sent its techs over to India to train workers, promised the techs their jobs would not be dumped after they came back, and then reneged.

Menes introduced legislation last year to ban export of state-funded white collar jobs, but did not mobilize support for battling the job exports, except for a letter from officials in one department of GOP Governor Robert Ehrlich's administration.

"I thought it was so clear that union people experienced in the information technology field would come out" for hearings on it, she said. But none showed up.

Blain noted the AFL-CIO can use the white-collar job exodus as an organizing tool. As an example, he said WashTech's email list in New Jersey grew by more than 500 percent in the months after WashTech circulated word of the transfer of the nine white-collar jobs to India, before their return to Camden.

"We mobilized people via emails and action alerts and, within two weeks, they generated more than 1,200 e-mails and faxes to state legislators" leading to the return of the jobs, he said. And WashTech now has a critical mass for organizing in the Garden State. "As we have different events nationwide, people respond. But here in Maryland we can be ahead of the game" with Menes' bill, Blain explained.

"We have to play up the insanity of sending jobs overseas at a time when we have high unemployment in our own country," Almeida concluded.

Stupid Itunes questions (1)

essaunders (469150) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270347)

Ok. So apple has the AAC and you can only purchase (for use in iTunes) from apple, but can't you take the purchased files and either burn to CD as as standard CDaudio file or convert to a (lower quality than the AAC perhaps) MP3? Or did apple keep the only playback option the AAC format?

IBM warned about being "locked in to open systems" (1)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7270354)

Subject line really says all... in the early nineties, IBM had a bit of a campaign on to caution managers about this danger.
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