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Novell & SUSE In Link Up?

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the potential-merger dept.

SuSE 209

dmorelli writes "Since it seems to be a SuSE news day, here's something from Friday this past. Novell tried and failed to buy SuSE, according to the Linux Business week story."

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Welcome! (-1, Troll)

Treacle Treatment (681828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319592)

I for one welcome our new Novell/SuSe overlords!

Re:Welcome! (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319713)

ok, just like most other jokes on slashdot, this is just getting old, and redundant.

Re:Welcome! (0)

webtre (717698) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319737)

this is just getting old

like the story itself?

Re:Welcome! (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319802)

perhaps i should have quoted.. but what's getting old, is the joke presented in the parent. sorry for the confusion.

Re:Welcome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319986)

Mmmm... I like those chicks on C.S.I.

Novell + ximian (2)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319597)

What came out of that merger?

Re:Novell + ximian (4, Informative)

angusr (718699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319667)

Well, there's a whole chunk of Ximian technology in the Nterprise Linux Services beta [novell.com] , plus Novell is now selling Ximian Connector via Novell resellers. Besides, that merger was only a few months ago - barely enough time to change the logos on existing Ximian products, really...

Re:Novell + ximian + Suze (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319694)

If they had been bought, just imagine the internal flame wars between the KDE loving Suzeques and the GNOMing ximanites!

Re:Novell + ximian + Suze (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319908)

You make a joke, but the corporate culture clash is something that should never be underestimated in a merger/buy-out.

How _would_ former SuSE employees take the new GNOME focus? Probably pretty well, but you never know.

-Erwos

Re:Novell + ximian + Suze (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319959)

...the corporate culture clash is something that should never be underestimated in a merger/buy-out.

As any Compaq (former) employee will unhappily attest to.

Re:Novell + ximian (2, Informative)

demaria (122790) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319917)

You can do Linux patch management in ZENWorks for Servers.

Re:Novell + ximian (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319920)

Novimian!

Re:Novell + ximian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7320137)

With SuSE too, Suvellian? XivellSE?

Yoda? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319607)

here's something from Friday this past.

Yoda, you speak like!

Re:Yoda? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319780)

Yoda, they look like.

PENISBIRD IS ON TEH SPOKE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319983)

In Soviet slashdot, greased up yoda doll has YOU shoved up his ass!

Re:Yoda? (1)

Drantin (569921) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320013)

<pedant>
With the comma there, you're talking to Yoda rather than telling someone they're talking like Yoda...
</pedant>

Re:Yoda? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7320148)

what is this Yoda of which you speak?

That would have been interesting. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319611)

What does this say, exactly, about Novell's current strategy, that they consider Linux so useful to their current plans that they would attempt to buy SUSE?

If they owned SUSE, what most likely would they do with it?

Re:That would have been interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319833)

> What does this say, exactly, about Novell's current strategy

That they are going out of business.

> If they owned SUSE, what most likely would they do with it?

Run it into the ground like everything else they've ever touched.

Re:That would have been interesting. (1)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320003)

I couldn't agree more...the word I've been getting from the "resellers" continuously trying to hawk some new "Zen" or "E-" product from Novell to me is that this is going to revolutionize the world, shift my paradigm, blah, blah, blah. Novell waited far too long to join the rest of the world in things like TCP/IP (choosing to hang on to their old standard IPX/SPX.) They are now firmly on the Upgrade Leasing program bandwagon...and they don't make me a "value proposition" good enough to get me to switch back to them from Linux. Linux runs, doesn't ABEND, and doesn't also screw up so badly in the first week of being installed that it won't even boot.

Re:That would have been interesting. (2, Insightful)

w42w42 (538630) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319867)

That's a good question, any company owning Suse and ximian would be interesting, and not knowing the track record of the suits involved, possibly a bit scary.

It is a bit interesting that they have chosen to focus on what seems a desktop flavor, considering they went after and purchased ximian. If they wanted a vanilla server distro, I'd think they could get that for less elsewhere.

Perhaps they're not interested in the technology, but the name. Suse has a very good reputation I think in both camps (client/server), and was apparently in Novell's grasp, where I don't think Redhat would be ($$$).

Re:That would have been interesting. (2, Insightful)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320038)

As i said in my other post, Novells plan is to get out of the OS business. They plan to be a company which makes services for enterprise, which incidentally will run on Linux. Think of them like GNU in GNU/Linux.
Today all their services run on Netware OS which is kind of old (but good enough for the time being) and it is the services which make any money at all. By netware 7 they plan to move to Linux entirely. To do this they have two choices, run it on a stock OS and be dependant on the distro or roll their own distro. They seem to have found a third option now, which is to buy out a popular distro.

Re:That would have been interesting. (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320090)

If they owned SUSE, what most likely would they do with it?

The same thing they did with everything else they ever owned. Use it to keep Microsoft from becoming an all powerful force in the software industry and continue to assert the fact that Novell is the "other OS". Oh wait, I am sorry I forgot Novell is all but irrelevant. In terms of Microsofts thoughts on Novell, an X-Men quote comes to mind:
Why don't you people ever die?

Re:That would have been interesting. (1)

t0ny (590331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320132)

Well, its no mystery that Linux needs a real networking operating system if they want to compete with MS, and Novell needs a better operating system if they are going to compete with MS.

Novell 7 SuSe In Link Up? (3, Funny)

.com b4 .storm (581701) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319615)

Novell 7 SuSe In Link Up?

Looks like they succeeded in outlawing the shift key after all. :)

Sounds like a good band name, really (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319652)

It sounds like the name of a japanese band: "Novell 7 SuSe".

Their first album would be named "Novell 7 SuSe In Link Up"

Apply shift key to produce ampersand. (3, Funny)

Ophion (58479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319616)

It's a handy typing tip!

Re:Apply shift key to produce ampersand. (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319653)

This is to serve as notice that applying the shift key is a violation of the DMCA.

fith post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319624)

fuckin time changed got me all fucked up so no first post for me

It could be worse. (-1, Troll)

Omni Magnus (645067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319629)

Microsoft could have tried to buy them out. We all know what would happen then.

Re:It could be worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319638)

Nothing whatsoever. Your point? Oh wait you don't have one you're just a boring anti-MS gimp. Monkey want banana?

Re:It could be worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319733)

We all know what would happen then.

BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY?

Re:It could be worse. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319753)

Microsoft could have tried to buy them out. We all know what would happen then.

The Gnashing of Teeth and the Lamentations of the Women?

Re:It could be worse. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319775)

We all know what would happen then.

Milk and cookies for everyone?

Re:It could be worse. (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320141)

Microsoft could have tried to buy them out. We all know what would happen then.

Not at all what you think. First, MS would scream in triumph "We own Linux we bought it."
Then Sco would come back with "Oh no you didn't. We own, we have this old program we bought a long time ago from Novell. We own Linux."
Linus would say "It's a community thing, bugger off or I'll sick Big Blue on you."
Finally, IBM would have it's feelings hurt when Billie G tells them "None of this would have happened if you would have bought an OS in the first place."

Conflict of interest? (2, Interesting)

Polly_was_a_cracker (718522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319633)

I can't help but feel that the german government owning shares of a company like SUSE seems to be a conflict of interest. I don't believe that government should be able should own any controlling amount of stock of a company they could make or brake. (ie: cities in germany switching to linux over MS)

Re:Conflict of interest? (2, Interesting)

beezly (197427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319662)

Tell that to the french government (who own a large chunk of Renault).

I don't think it's a "conflict of interest" though.

Re:Conflict of interest? (-1, Troll)

N3WBI3 (595976) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319684)

They are Euro's, all socialist and have no problem with the nanny state owning things... Socialism is Communisms timid little brother..

Re:Conflict of interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319743)

yeah - tell that to all the socialists the russians killed immediately after WW2 in the former communist block.

as long as the law doesn't allow the state to flex its muscle and throw things completely off-balance it's not all that bad. think of the other extreme - when large private corporations all but 'own' the govt. when it comes to things in their particular field ... ring any bells? none is better than the other. however good the theory would sound, people are the weak link.

Re:Conflict of interest? (1)

dermond (33903) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319789)

yes. and this is why publically owned companies are a good thing. the more companies are owned by the public the more the economy can be controled by democracy. that means that your vote counts more then in a system where democracy is reduced to a frace because all important decissions are done by big corportations. so if you want democrcay you should opt for publically owned corporations. if you prefere dictatorship of catpital and profit then maybe not..

lg mond.

Re:Conflict of interest? (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319798)

Does that make Capitalism Fascism's hyperactive kid with TS?

Les cons qui croient qu'ils sont intelligents par-ce qu'ils saient des mots en francais ne sont que des cochons sanglantes qui mangent de la merde.

Re:Conflict of interest? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319882)

your french teacher is probably turning in her grave :-))

Re:Conflict of interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7320092)

Les cons qui croient qu'ils sont intelligents par-ce qu'ils saient des mots en francais ne sont que des cochons sanglantes qui mangent de la merde. Translation: The idiots who think that they are intelligent becuase they know some words in french are nothing but shit-eating bloody pigs.

Is this a reflexive statement?

Also leads me to ask the question, are we, by using the word 'pontificating' actually ourselves pontificating?

Re:Conflict of interest? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319690)

Re:Conflict of interest? (1)

Polly_was_a_cracker (718522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319720)

Point taken.. Rock the vote 2004

Re:Conflict of interest? (2, Interesting)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319701)

I agree. Its never a good idea to have a potential supplier under the umbrella of the government. Then again, when the UK was mainly public (British Rail, Gas, etc) it was absolute, so who cared?

Still, it would be interesting to see what Novell would do with their own Linux Distro. Novell Servers, Novell Desktops tied up with ZENWorks - it would be very interesting.

Re:Conflict of interest? (5, Insightful)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319730)

How about M$ buying its way out of the antitrust trial through the 2000 elections ? Isn't that a conflict of interests as well? It's certainly a more disgusting one.

I'm certainly not for State ownership, but it seems to me that in the US the companies are owning the state (and the only thing that changes when Democrats and Republicans replace each other is the dominant industry).

Re:Conflict of interest? (4, Interesting)

Ami Ganguli (921) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319755)

If you feel that government should represent the interests of the people, and you feel that SuSe is a good thing for the people of Germany, then this situation makes perfect sense. It's only a conflict if the interests of SuSe don't align with the interests of German citizens (which I'm sure is a case that MS would want to make).

You could, however, say that it's anti free-market. I would reply "so what?", since I think the government needs to intervene in the market from time to time to correct problems.

Re:Conflict of interest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319906)

Why is it a conflict of interest? It seems to me to be a win-win for Germany and German citizens. The only entity losing is the monopolist, Microsoft. Do you work for the evil empire [microsoft.com] ?

Say the German government needs 50,000 workstation setups.

Option 1: Pay tax to foreign entity (Microsoft).

Option 2: Choose local linux distribution and foster its development to overcome any remaining imcompatibilities.

Compare costs to everyone affected. Notice that by choosing option 2, the German citizens also save money because they pay no Microsoft tax and are not locked into a propriety point of view. Government access is opened to all without further entry/access barriers.

BTW, sometimes projects can be justified by large corporations/governments/universities if the development cost to their organization is on a par with the purchase/maintenance cost.

It is not necessarily socialism, either. It is a cost/benefit analysis.

Here [grulic.org.ar] is the definitive, in-depth analysis. This was originally posted to Slashdot, so it has circled back around again.

No vell, no thanks (2, Troll)

wardk (3037) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319665)

I can still hear the faint echo's of Novell suits explaining how they were going to destroy Microsoft with Netware and the latest directory services product. These people were scarily clueless then...what has changed?.

Novell essentially brought us the current incarnation of SCO, haven't they done enough to "help" the Linux/OS community?

Re:No vell, no thanks (1)

deviator (92787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319707)

I'm sorry, you can't blame the SCO mess on Novell.

They tried to fix it, you know.

Re:No vell, no thanks (1, Insightful)

wardk (3037) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319945)

I sure can blame it on Novell :-)

hell, when SCO exposed themselves as shiftless vultures they and Novell didn't even seem to KNOW what sort of contracts they had signed. And we still don't know for sure who owns what. Novell also got real quiet after the 2nd or 3rd volley from SCO.

If Novell is so qualified/desirable to be a Unix vendor, how does one explain Unixware?

I love SuSE Linux, I don't want it to get *any* Novell directly on it. Note to SuSE....resist!!

Re:No vell, no thanks (5, Informative)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319843)

Well, Novell currently is a Good Company (TM)
They had a good idea with NDS which had no competitor in NT4. Marketing (and application support) won the market for Microsoft. With W2k microsoft came up with ADS which is as good as NDS (though it does not play well with other OSes as netware does). Novell now is trying to move from an OS company to supporting services company. NDS already runs on windows and Linux. You can download it from their website ( Note: Getting it to run on any of the newer Linuxes is a total pain).Novells plan is to move netware to a set of services that run on Linux. So they have an interest in Linux, and so are helping Linux.

Linux currently does not have anything like NDS/ADS that can support a very large and distributed network. So Novell is a good thing to happen to Linux.
Also check out their site Novell forge [slashdot.org] where they have a lot of stuff they released under GPL like their UDDI server IIRC. So they stand by GPL and put their money where their mouth is .
They also tried to stop SCO by releasing what they thought were some damning counter-evidence on the day of SCOs annual investor meet day. If they had their way SCO would be buried by now.
But what you mentioned is correct, novell has a way of dropping the ball.First against NT4, then against SCO.
Anyway if you are a Linux guy, try using Novell a Netware server (free demo CDs available everywhere).They are damn stable, but their GUI sucks, reminds me of Linux of two years ago.

Re:No vell, no thanks (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319866)

Oops bad link. The correct link is http://forge.novell.com. here [novell.com]
The earlier one became a relative link by mistake

Re:No vell, no thanks (1)

sphealey (2855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320012)

Good post, but don't you know you aren't allowed to say anything good about NDS or (gasp!) Netware on Slashdot? There goes your karma!

sPh

Re:No vell, no thanks (2, Informative)

altamira (639298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320021)

With W2k microsoft came up with ADS which is as good as NDS (though it does not play well with other OSes as netware does).

You are clueless. Value-level (as opposed to replication of full objects only, like ADS does), transitive, event-driven (unlike ADS, which does a scan for changed objects at intervals, the default being 10 (TEN!) minutes) synchronisation; the ability to scale to hundreds of thousands of objects in a single partition; working backup/restore technology - all make NDS eDirectory far superior to ADS.

Oh, and Gartner still agrees on that and regards Novell as the leader in the meta directory field.

too bad... (4, Interesting)

deviator (92787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319680)

that would have been a pretty good fit for what they're currently trying to do. Make no mistake - Novell has some of the best enterprise management software in the industry. Linux definitely needs this.

Oh well, they'll just release their own distro of Linux now (called Netware 7).

Re:too bad... (1, Insightful)

cyberchondriac (456626) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319779)

Oh well, they'll just release their own distro of Linux now (called Netware 7).

I'll take that over the current versions of NetWare that boot off DOS. While it's a fine OS for file sharing, I'm still put off by the lack of built in tools like traceroute that a "network" OS like this should have. Add to that the problems I almost always experience trying to get NLMs to run in a protected memory space, and sometimes I suspect it's not much more than a glorified DOS in many aspects. It's most redeeming feature is the extended attribute file system, but Novell won't maintain a lead there much longer. eDirectory is a great thing, but in many regards, NetWare, as an OS (or NOS to be more precise) is still years behind everyone else.
I'll be happy to see NetWare move to a linux kernel. Now if more third party developers would just lose the notion that NetWare = IPX, it would move ahead even faster.

Re:too bad... (4, Informative)

sphealey (2855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319988)

I'll take that over the current versions of NetWare that boot off DOS.
Could we give up on this? Please? Netware uses an MS-DOS type system as a bootloader for good and sufficient reasons (simple, reliable, available everywhere in the world, small, fits on a floppy, provides system monitor functionality to Intel-based systems which historically have not had ROM-based monitors). Hell, a friend of mine once managed to get an entire Portugese Netware installation up and running without knowing a word of that language due to the simplicity of the installation model.

But Netware does not run on MS-DOS . And saying so makes you look a bit ill-informed.

sPh

Re:too bad... (0)

rjw57 (532004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320022)

Original post:

I'll take that over the current versions of NetWare that boot off DOS.

Reply:

But Netware does not run on MS-DOS . And saying so makes you look a bit ill-informed

And not reading the post makes you?

They're stuck in the old game. (1)

Population (687281) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320002)

Why buy SuSE?

Why not just put a couple developers on your payroll and have them work on stuff that's important to you and release it for all the distributions?

I think they're still stuck in the old game of trying to control (and reap profits from) the various components.

How many programmers could you hire for how long with the money you'd spend on buying a whole company? Why not do that instead?

Re:They're stuck in the old game. (2, Insightful)

BrynM (217883) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320111)

"Why not just put a couple developers on your payroll and have them work on stuff that's important to you and release it for all the distributions?"
Novell isn't only trying to build technology, they need to re-build their brand. SuSE is a very popular distro with lots of foreign/EU supporters and users. If Novell could get these markets to take them seriously - or even better: like them - they would gain substantial market clout. Novell is also quickly falling behind in relevance to today's tech market. Their previous attempts at adopting new tech (the Win32/NT clients) weren't the big hits that they had hoped for. I believe that they don't think they have the time to build something from scratch. They need to get deeper into these markets and do it in some sort of turn-key fasion.

Microsoft 2 (1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319708)

RedHat is in danger of turning into Microsoft 2? How and why? Just becuase they are the largest distro of Linux hardly makes them a monopoly. Perhaps IBM is just having a hard time competing with them.

Re:Microsoft 2 (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319834)

IBM doesn't compete with RedHat. Where'd you get that idea? I have and IBM X series cluster that I administer and theY LOADED RedHat for me. As far as I know, IBM does not, nor has ever had, their own distribution.

Re:Microsoft 2 (2, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319859)

Yes, we all know the reasons why the GPL prevents Red Hat from becoming Microsoft 2. I rather suspect that IBM knows it too, no matter how clueless the article's author is. (Yes, I read the article, so I know your post isn't offtopic at all).

Thing is that from IBM's point of view they're just trying to become something vaguely like IBM again.

From Red Hat's, Novell's and some other's point of view though I rather suspect they're trying to become the new Sun since Sun seems to have lost its way.

And then there's SCO, who is trying to not be a Linux company and is aiming for. . .well, good question. Microsoft's hit man maybe? The Blob?

Antarctica sounds like a good resolution to that matter.

KFG

Re:Microsoft 2 (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319869)

IBM and RedHat are hardly in the same market when it comes to Linux. I just bet IBM doesn't want vendor lockin to one vendor.

Re:Microsoft 2 (1)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320169)

Perhaps IBM is just having a hard time competing with them.

You must be in a marketing department or something. IBM produces servers PCs etc... some of their stuff ships with Red Hat. Do you honestly think that Red Hat (a software company) is outcompeting IBM (a hardware company)? If so, I'll tell you my apples are better oranges than yours.

German Goverment (3, Interesting)

Noizemonger (665926) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319715)

"the German government, which reportedly owns something like 30% of SUSE ($30 million worth), is supposed to be the speed bump." WTF? My Goverment owns 30% of SUSE? Finally they do something useful with my tax money! Nice. Probably its just a goverment loan but 30% of all shares is quite a lot. I wonder if it was a political decision to finance a OSS-Company. Has anybody more info on this?

Re:German Goverment (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319805)

No info,

But when you plan to change over your government (landen) software into open source you have to make sure that your software base isn't bought from under you before this changeover is done...

The German state is just being very trustworthy towards their partners in this process, something one cannot say about my own government (dutch) as they only know how to cheer monopolies like MS.

the dutch government(s) are some of the most UNTRUSTWORTHY governments when it comes to protect their inhabitants...

Deal? (4, Interesting)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319722)

According to the article, suse is worth 100 million. They were offered 120 million.

Why didn't they accept?

What is their projected worth in years to come. (1)

Polly_was_a_cracker (718522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319736)

Sometimes it is good to sell when a good reasonable offer like this comes around, but other times its worth the long haul.
I think that SUSE made the right decision whether they know it or not.

Re:Deal? (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319868)

Some times the big, old dinosaur - whilest having the best of intentions - can bring about lumbering inertia and decay to the bright, young thing it purchases. SuSE did good in this case.

Valuation isn't easy (4, Informative)

sjbe (173966) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319870)

According to the article, suse is worth 100 million. They were offered 120 million. Why didn't they accept?

Because valuing a company is as much art as it is science. Especially for companies like SuSE whose assets are largely intangible. They don't have much in the way of hard assets like manufacturing equipment or buildings. They have no proprietary code to speak of. Their only real assets are their brand name, whatever cash they have and the people they have working for them.

So how do you value that? It's tough. Companies are considered to be worth the present value of all their future cash flows. But how fast is SuSE going to grow? What sort of margins will they pull down? What does the competitive landscape look like? Will they grow steadily or will they grow fast and then slow down? I don't know about you, but my crystal ball isn't that good.

It's not a trivial problem to value a company. You can't answer it just by checking their market capitalization. That's just the market's current concensus on the value of the equity in the company. But debt holder, preferred stock holders and the government (taxes) all have claims to the cash flows of the company that come before the common stockholders. And the market doesn't even get the equity part right all the time. Witness the recent tech bubble bursting.

So in short, there probably was a difference of opinion on the valuation. If I think my business is worth $150 million and you think it's worth $100 million, who is right? Hard to say. It's also possible that they didn't sell just because the key shareholders didn't like the buyer. Happens all the time. Maybe the terms of the deal weren't good. If I'm the buyer and Novell is offering me stock, I'm going to think about it real hard. Novell's stock isn't exactly blue-chip. What happens if I sell and Novell tanks? Could be SuSE management wanted cash and Novell wasn't offering.

In short there are lot of reasons why it fell through. Some reasons are very sensible, some aren't. Why they turned them down? I have no idea, but I can think of a lot of possible reasons.

Re:Deal? (1)

ponxx (193567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319961)

Maybe whoever is in charge their simply like their business?

It's not all about money, some people do underpaid work because they enjoy it, and owning/running a business is no different...

If I had built up a company like SuSE I would be very reluctant to sell it.

Re:Deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7320165)

"Maybe whoever is in charge their simply like their business?"

That sentence should be taken out and shot.

Re:Deal? (1)

Idou (572394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320105)

Maybe SUSE thinks they are worth more than 120 million.

Market price is not an absolute constant, you know.

Novell's next choice - Mandrake! (5, Interesting)

capn_buzzcut (676680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319740)

Why not?

Re:Novell's next choice - Mandrake! (4, Insightful)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319772)

Why not?

No kidding. MS has a half-hearted desktop and a shitty server that's nothing more than the desktop with multi-user perms - but they DO integrate better than any other desktop/server combination.

If Novell bought Mandrake, they'd have an awesome desktop to ship, and integrate, with their Netware 7 Linux product.

Pleasing no one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319822)

"No kidding. MS has a half-hearted desktop and a shitty server that's nothing more than the desktop with multi-user perms - but they DO integrate better than any other desktop/server combination."

Oh this is amusing One they're not competing in the server space, kind of like Lindows isn't competing

Two they have the same software that the "server" distributions have, Apache is Apache, OpenLDAP is OpenLDAP, etc, etc.

If they're "shitty" using the same software, then all the others are "shitty".

Re:Novell's next choice - Mandrake! (1)

fault0 (514452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319889)

Mandrake really hasn't cracked the enterprise market like SuSE and RH have..

Re:Novell's next choice - Mandrake! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319915)

exactly - plus their past financial trouble => a perfect target. if some credible player would back them up at this stage they can start making inroads (the 'market' is still pretty much open) and for a lower price tag.

on the other hand, all Novell needs now is underlying Linux expertise, they already have a desktop (Ximian).

Re:Novell's next choice - Mandrake! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319977)

But Novell has...

from the performer formerly known as fuddles? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319752)

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That would be cheap... (5, Informative)

tigertiger (580064) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319763)

For one thing, SuSE has nothing to do with the German government - they list their investors on their factsheet [www.suse.de] (in German, unfortunately). It's IBM, SGI, Intel, Compaq, and some venture capitalists.

Also, $120M sounds a very cheap for a company of this size. Red Hat, not quite twice the size by employees, is valued at over 2$ billion.

Re:That would be cheap... (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319891)

Unfortunately, since SuSE isn't required to report earnings (at least last I checked), it's very difficult to make an intelligent statement as to how much they're worth.

You'd _think_ they weren't losing money hand over foot what with the German government ordering from them now. But then again, for all the awesome publicity and service contracts RedHat has, they've been losing goodly amounts of money up until very recently.

In other words, trying to predict whether SuSE is worth some amount is a tricky business for anyone who's not privy to their financial statements (ie, most of /.).

-Erwos

A thought really scared me now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319768)

Now that we're so close to winning, what if 80% of the main distros (_including RH_) get bought?

This wouldn't necessarily suck, since most already are private companies -- but the recent Connectix "desinnovation" by Marketsoft (where they excluded Linux&BSD from the guest OS options) makes me wonder...

We are getting too tasty-looking for our own good... (ok, I know there's Debian, etc., but *a lot* of innovations come from companies like RH, Mandrake and SuSE).

long term? (1)

BigGerman (541312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319819)

Could be interesting thing long-term - Novell becoming major bad-ass player (again) armed with Ximian desktop / Evolution, always-popular directory thingie and finally Linux distro to integrate everything with. Plus Mono as a hidden weapon.

Big Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319826)

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morons merging with & acquiring each other? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319830)

lookout bullow.

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hysteria repeats itself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319929)

generally speaking, as a rule, despite the terabytes of fairytail preseNTations buy phonIE ?pr? ?firm? payper liesense stock markup FraUD felons/execrable.

SuSE investors (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319841)

Here is the list of SuSE investors [suse.com] (bottom part of the page).

They don't mention the German government, or any government.

Change is bad... (2, Interesting)

drywater (543888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319853)

SuSE Puts out the best distro of Linux (IMHO) and my kneejerk reaction is sheer horror. I know that's not logical, but anything that might change the direction of the company scares me. I just installed SuSE 9 over the weekend and it's a wonderful product. My selfish desire is for SuSE to be left alone and to continue to produce and improve SuSE Linux. I don't want to have to change distros again!

change is inevitable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7319890)

doesn't mean it's for the better. more often it's for the fraudulent losing bettors, from the regime that's in power when the phonIE bullshipping industrIE begins WANing into coolapps/the abyss.

agreed on suse quality, & caution towards greed/fear based payper liesense stock markup FraUD corepirate nazIE borg absorbtion.

Re:Change is bad... (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319965)

I agree, I think it is logical to be fearful of a company trying to buy out SuSE. I have rewritten this post 10 times and I can't seem to express why this frightens me, it just does.

Leave my SuSE alone!

Wow, I didn't know ... (1)

mm0mm (687212) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319861)

that SuSE is partially (30%...!?)owned by the German government. Obviously Germany is betting their future on open source. Watch your steps Mr. Ballmer. Not to mention coalition of Asian governments to develop a new OS. Maybe his Frequent Flyers Miles will go up high with trips to Germany and Asian countries. (oh wait, there's no such thing as FFM for a private jet, are there?)

With 50% of the company owned by the German government and ("reportedly") IBM, who owns the rest of SuSE? I'm just curious.

Re:Wow, I didn't know ... (3, Informative)

tigertiger (580064) | more than 10 years ago | (#7319923)

Again, there is no indication that the German government owns any part of SuSE. Maybe they have some government-backed loans, but I doubt it. From the management team and the board members, IBM and the venture capitalists dominate.

Maybe the author of the original article was thinking about the eMillennium fund - partly owned by Deutsche Bank, which is not by any means a government entity. It only sounds so (the government bank is called the Deutsche Bundesbank, and it does not do investments).

Why Wouldn't they? Screw Flanders (-1, Offtopic)

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Pronounciation? (2, Interesting)

bucketoftruth (583696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7320150)

Is it "soos" or "soo see"? I've always wondered

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