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Microsoft Officially Shows Longhorn, WinFX

simoniker posted about 11 years ago | from the antlers-mounted-on-wall dept.

Microsoft 681

Theaetetus writes "Microsoft today unveiled its most detailed look yet at its new OS, Longhorn, due in 2006, during Bill Gates' keynote speech at the company's Professional Developers Conference in Los Angeles. An article at Internet Week describes some of the goals: avoiding viruses, worms, and 'building apps that are as smart as Outlook.'" The company "also unveiled 'WinFX,' which it described as a new application programming model for Windows that is the evolution of its .NET programming framework."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

OzPhIsH (560038) | about 11 years ago | (#7321195)

First Post!

That's a goal? (5, Funny)

ChaoticChaos (603248) | about 11 years ago | (#7321196)

"building apps that are as smart as Outlook."

I was hoping they'd shoot higher than that.

Re:That's a goal? (0, Flamebait)

capt.Hij (318203) | about 11 years ago | (#7321214)

It's not so bad, they will avoid viruses and be as smart as outlook.

Re:That's a goal? (2, Informative)

GuyMannDude (574364) | about 11 years ago | (#7321233)

That was my reaction, too, but in all fairness a large part of the virus-infection problem lies with the end user who clicks on every attachment they receive. Perhaps Microsoft should put some effort into making an Online Help or "Intro to Windows" that's interesting enough to make the average user sit through it once. And make sure to stress some basic security practices in these presentations.


Re:That's a goal? (5, Insightful)

Daemonik (171801) | about 11 years ago | (#7321285)

I beg to differ. Many Outlook viri are embedded into HTML messages that require no user action to run.

Re:That's a goal? (5, Insightful)

jon3k (691256) | about 11 years ago | (#7321383)

Exactly. There's nothing you can do about stopping someone from emailing a virus. You can stop it at an email gateway of course, but nothings 100%. I accept that.

What I don't accept is virus that are automatically executed simply by viewing an email in the preview pane. As soon as you click on it, you're infected.

We've mostly got visual basic scripting to thank for that.

At least they'll be able... (0, Flamebait)

Trillan (597339) | about 11 years ago | (#7321237)

At least they'll be able to meet it. Outlook is already the lower layer of scum in the scpetic tank, after all. Can't get much worse.

Re:At least they'll be able... (5, Funny)

warpSpeed (67927) | about 11 years ago | (#7321274)

Outlook is already the lower layer of scum in the scpetic tank, after all.

Hey, that scum in your septic tank does a pretty important job... don't start comparing it to outlook to it, that's just mean....

Re:That's a goal? (3, Interesting)

the Man in Black (102634) | about 11 years ago | (#7321248)

Especially when he was just shitting on Outlook [] about 5 seconds ago with the "clunky" comment.

Marketing, marketing, and still more marketing.

Re:That's a goal? (5, Insightful)

Ianoo (711633) | about 11 years ago | (#7321279)

"As smart as Outlook"?

They mean smart as in crippling attachment functionality so that it's impossible to open anything even if you know the source and it can't possibly be harmful, like a PDF?

They mean smart as in built-in anti-competitive DRM designed to squeeze others out of the marketplace and stopping me doing what I want to do with my e-mail?

They mean smart as in the Outlook Web Access Client which doesn't work probably in any browser other than MSIE and uses (as always) their non-standard DHTML object model?

They mean smart as in so wonderfully secure that Napster script kiddie Fanning can reverse the password encryption with his new contact updater software?

Yeah I can see that's real smart. Microsoft Smart (TM).

Re:That's a goal? (5, Insightful)

Zathrus (232140) | about 11 years ago | (#7321356)

They mean smart as in crippling attachment functionality so that it's impossible to open anything even if you know the source and it can't possibly be harmful, like a PDF?

Sounds like a configuration issue on your end. I have no problems viewing PDFs, JPGs, or other non-harmful attachments. You can even tell Outlook to stop annoying you with the bogus "potentially harmful" message if you're sure about it.

On the other hand, we recently discovered that our Exchange backend is configured to automatically delete certain attachments. We couldn't send an Access .mdb file via email -- even between corporate accounts.

They mean smart as in the Outlook Web Access Client which doesn't work probably in any browser other than MSIE and uses (as always) their non-standard DHTML object model?

I call BS -- I use Outlook Web Access with Firebird from home with absolutely no problems. It works differently than it does if you use IE, but it still works.

There's plenty to bash MS for, and Outlook is a lovely example of overly complex, overly insecure software, but at least keep it to the facts.

Re:That's a goal? (1)

Ianoo (711633) | about 11 years ago | (#7321393)

The last time I had the displeasure of using Outlook Express on one of the departmental machines running WinXP, it told me I couldn't open a PDFs because they were potentially dangerous. I had to go to the options and untick a box to stop it hiding the files.

Also, there is NO reason why any piece of DHTML code, if coded properly to the W3C DOM recommendations, should not work in any modern browser. Also I was talking about the revamped version in Exchange 2003.

Re:That's a goal? (1)

Zathrus (232140) | about 11 years ago | (#7321429)

The last time I had the displeasure of using Outlook Express

Outlook or Outlook Express? They're not the same. I will profess to no knowledge of OE -- the one time I ran it was to convert messages from one format to another (which, hillariously, OE was able to do but Outlook could not). I don't use either one at home, but have to use Outlook for work.

Also I was talking about the revamped version in Exchange 2003.

Haven't seen it. I presume, therefore, we're not running Exchange 2003 (although we are running WS2003). Exchange is a piece of shit in general though. And I don't like the web interface, but it's better than having to run Outlook or OE at home.

Re:That's a goal? (1)

smackjer (697558) | about 11 years ago | (#7321394)

Crippling attachments? Not really... you are still able to send and open anything your Exchange server allows.

What DRM is in Outlook?

I use the Outlook Web Client in Mozilla Firebird. Works just fine. Next time you need to say "probably", you probably should do some research first.

Fanning is a script kiddie? I didn't realize Napster was written in VBScript... Ah, hyperbole at its worst.

Re:That's a goal? (1)

Ianoo (711633) | about 11 years ago | (#7321416)

s/probably/properly. Check out the new Outlook Web Access client in Exchange 2003 and see how well it works in Firebird.

Re:That's a goal? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321307)

"smart as outlook" isn't that like saying Military Intelligence, oxymoron if I ever heard one :)

Re:That's a goal? (1)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | about 11 years ago | (#7321358)

Actually the first thing that came to mind was "we're doomed!"

Re:That's a goal? (1)

ctoledo (206109) | about 11 years ago | (#7321367)

Its realistc and pragmatic goal for M$.

Re:That's a goal? (5, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | about 11 years ago | (#7321368)

Bass are relatively easy to catch. Trout hard.

Why? As it turns out it's because Bass are pretty smart fish. They can make generalizations. This thing has certain aspects to it that edible things have. Let's see if it's good to eat.

Who knew that such things as Red Devils, Rapalas and rubber worms would come along?

Trout, on the other hand, are primitive and stupid. They rely on hardcoded pattern recognition to find food. If the available food doesn't match the pattern a trout can starve among plenty. Or ignore your fly.

The problem with Outlook isn't that it's stupid. It's too smart. It makes decisions for the user ( who should, legitimately, be the sole source of intelligence when reading mail. Post your luser joke here).

It's like a Bass. Too easy to catch virii and malicious code because it recognizes that it's something that might be able to run. Well hell, let's try to run it and see what happens.



Re:That's a goal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321401)

Yeah, it's like saying they are training hard enough to qualify for the special olympics.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321201)


Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321230)


If WinCE became known as "Wince"... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321203)

...will WinFX become known as "F**cks"?

Re:If WinCE became known as "Wince"... (3, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 11 years ago | (#7321410)

Good heavens so .NET joins DDE, netDDE, OLE, and ActiveX on the buzz word scrape heap.
Just when I was about to order DevStudio .NET

QT does not sound so bad right now.

.Net Obsolete? (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about 11 years ago | (#7321209)

Does this mean .Net is obsolete??

Please, no flames about ".Net sucks" or ".Net was never blah blah blah".

Re:.Net Obsolete? (1)

kid-noodle (669957) | about 11 years ago | (#7321270)

Of course it is!

Exactly like ActiveX was before it and, presumably, like WinFX will be once Microsoft get tired of that.

My, java is doing well against the evil empire..

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, would be my first impression here *sigh*

Re:.Net Obsolete? (5, Insightful)

Ianoo (711633) | about 11 years ago | (#7321324)

I would wager some money on the fact that this new WinFX is basically .NET with new APIs and some kind of code signing technology with enforced DRM to finally kill Project Mono. It was only a matter of time before they pulled this kind of thing.

After all, you didn't honestly think that they'd let that continue for much longer, did you? This way, when Longhorn debuts in 2006, and all the .NET apis have changed, and the .NET runtime no longer runs unsigned code, 4 years of work on Mono will be down the shithole.

Re:.Net Obsolete? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321330)

I'm not sure, but hell if I'm going to pay a small fortune so that I can add yet another buzz word to my resume. "MFC, .NET, WinFX" Its all buzz to me. I have a strong programming background and I've programmed in windows. That should be enough, but companies will soon want the meaningless "WinFX"


Re:.Net Obsolete? (1)

lp_bugman (623152) | about 11 years ago | (#7321381)

The funy part here is that companys require you to know MFC, .NET, and WinFX for a job developing a Visual Basic App what has NOTHING TO DO with any of those frameworks. grrr. Some times that gets to my nerves!

Re:.Net Obsolete? (1)

MuParadigm (687680) | about 11 years ago | (#7321376)

"Does this mean .Net is obsolete??"

Nah, it means that ".Net" was a marketing failure. They think they can fix it by changing the name, that's all.

The whole MS FUD strategy is built on announcing new technolgy before it's available. If there's no new technology, then you simply add a few features to the old one and give it a new name. Thus, "WinFX".

Re:.Net Obsolete? (1)

Schnapple (262314) | about 11 years ago | (#7321430)

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that WinFX won't be the final name of it - probably .NET 2.0 or something. After all, we all know the next OS won't be called "Longhorn", it'll be Windows XP2 or something. Of course, MS' tendency is to use code names of things like spurs from mountains in the Seattle area, which I'm sure "WinFX" isn't, so perhaps they're serious. For now.

Re:.Net Obsolete? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321396)

You slashdot people are unbelievable. So anti-MS you're blind to anything and everything from them. This place is about as one-sided as Fox News...


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321211)

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first post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321215)

w00t!! 1 am so l33t!! first post!!!

Re:first post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321246)

Guess again, monkey boy.

Re:first post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321271)

YOU FAIL IT!!! j0000 sux0rs!!!!!!!

MS's bottom line... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321217)

Hmmm. Not many people are purchasing Office '03, and they're not releasing their next OS until '06. Wonder if their cash reserve will sustain them for three years?

Re:MS's bottom line... (1)

Horny Smurf (590916) | about 11 years ago | (#7321314)

They still make plenty of money from the copy of windows xp sold with every new computer.

Re:MS's bottom line... (0, Troll)

ThePlaydoh (248874) | about 11 years ago | (#7321399)

MS should do what Apple does to make some money... charge money for incremental updates.

You could make an argument that MS already does this (Windows 98SE was a FIX to 98), but I have yet to see a Windows XP .1 that I have to pay for.

IT, stop the current rewrite because... (1)

ChaoticChaos (603248) | about 11 years ago | (#7321218)

The company "also unveiled 'WinFX,' which it described as a new application programming model for Windows that is the evolution of its .NET programming framework.

GEEZ! Just when the .Net rewrite was just getting underway!

Um.... (4, Funny)

downix (84795) | about 11 years ago | (#7321223)

Ok, so they've taken over the bottom of the screen with their explorer bar, now they're taking over the righthand side to show off stock reports? A few more years of this, there won't be any room left on the screen for apps.

Re:Um.... (1)

Mr_Matt (225037) | about 11 years ago | (#7321339)

A few more years of this, there won't be any room left on the screen for apps.

That's a feature, not a bug - if Microsoft keeps flexing it's monopolistic muscle, in a few years, there won't be any apps - only MS embedded 'programs' like Internet Exploder, Outlook, etc. So who needs screen space? :)

Outlook isn't an embedded program (1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | about 11 years ago | (#7321360)

I'm sure you already knew this.

Re:Um.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321420)

Ok, so they've taken over the bottom of the screen with their explorer bar, now they're taking over the righthand side to show off stock reports? A few more years of this, there won't be any room left on the screen for apps.

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to get rid of that horrible pop-up menu my Creative driver disk installed? That's grabbed the top quarter of my monitor? There doesn't seem to be any obvious setting to turn it off.

Just recently did my first Windows install in years -- I'd forgotten how horrible it is when you need to actually set that stuff up yourself.

These guys are real comedians (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321228)

building apps that are as smart as Outlook

Mod Bill Gates up +1, ROTFLMAO!

Not impressed yet (2, Insightful)

bored_SuSE_user (701483) | about 11 years ago | (#7321229)

"During Gates' address, a Microsoft staffer gave a demonstration of Longhorn, highlighting among other features the "sidebar," an area on the right side of the screen capable of dynamically displaying messaging lists, stock quotes, news feeds, times and pictures."

Can't you do that with kappdoc....???
I'd like to see some screenshots of this 'new interface'.

The article rambles on a lot, but doesn't actually tell you anything. And..well.. I've never really tried it, but is Outlook that amazing :-/

Re:Not impressed yet (2, Informative)

Ianoo (711633) | about 11 years ago | (#7321357)

Try Gnome Dashboard [] .

This means nothing (4, Insightful)

ePhil_One (634771) | about 11 years ago | (#7321231)

This OS is currently DUE three years from now, and is surely doomed to additional slippage, feature changes, complete rewrites, etc.

These announcements are nothing more than vague future directions...

Thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321316)

Thanks to posters like you, I don't even NEED to RTFA!

No irony, no sarcasm intended.

Re:This means nothing (1)

pmz (462998) | about 11 years ago | (#7321333)

These announcements are nothing more than vague future directions...

It worked for them in the early 1990s, and they're hoping that it'll work again. However, they're facing a much more saturated and cynical market than before, so I think their success will be limited by this.

Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (4, Insightful)

Vaevictis666 (680137) | about 11 years ago | (#7321240)

Geforce FX, WinFX - this is starting to get about as in style as neglecting the leading E on words such as Xtreme and Xpress.

Yes, the FX comes from effects, I can buy that on a video card (going for video effects) but how does that tie in to an application framework?

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (1)

JamesP (688957) | about 11 years ago | (#7321294)

They mean all the FX that you see when your machine gets a virus...

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (1)

kid-noodle (669957) | about 11 years ago | (#7321300)

Did we not do FX about a decade ago?

Still, can't run with the crowd and call it WinMX can we...

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (2, Interesting)

spectecjr (31235) | about 11 years ago | (#7321322)

Geforce FX, WinFX - this is starting to get about as in style as neglecting the leading E on words such as Xtreme and Xpress.

The thing is, WinFX has been called that since some time in 2000, when the team was started.

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (5, Funny)

Zeebs (577100) | about 11 years ago | (#7321329)

Well my best guess would be that it would be F i X, as in you'll still be F i Xing this when we change the API again.

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (5, Funny)

mattgarnsey (660568) | about 11 years ago | (#7321343)

Geforce FX, WinFX - this is starting to get about as in style as neglecting the leading E on words such as Xtreme and Xpress.

it's because many of the e's had to be prefixed to Commerce, Business, Solutions, et al in the late 90s...

i expect a shortage of i's to appear soon as well.

there's a finite number of vowels, you know!

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (4, Funny)

pmz (462998) | about 11 years ago | (#7321363)

how does that tie in to an application framework?

It's neurological. For example, twitching, screaming, and throwing monitors accross the room are all common effects of using Microsoft Windows.

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (1)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | about 11 years ago | (#7321373)

Framework Xtreem, clearly. :P

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (1)

smackjer (697558) | about 11 years ago | (#7321418)

I'm guessing the FX stands for "framework". Anyone who has been around MFC and the WinSDK is familiar with AFX, the Application Framework.

Re:Can we please stop the FX branding theme? (2, Insightful)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | about 11 years ago | (#7321422)

Don't forget the AMD Athlon 64 FX.

light on specifics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321242)

those article are a bit light on specifics. Anyone have more details than the usual PR articles rehashed by the mainstream news sources? The only note worthy is MS Is pushing to have everything written in C#, so they can reduce bugs/vulnerabilities and so on.

It's been done already.... (1)

K_J_Raine (622906) | about 11 years ago | (#7321243)

Why does the "buckets" idea strike me that MS is playing catchup with Mac, yet again?

I highly doubt that Longhorn will introduce anything really new to the OS world, (even after reading the articles) considering that Panther has already accomplished this idea of file organization for the Mac world and it's probably been done for 'nix too.

uh? (1)

loconet (415875) | about 11 years ago | (#7321244)

" The company also unveiled "WinFX," which it described as a new application programing model for Windows that is the evolution of its .NET programing framework."

Seriously, what the hell does that mean? It seems like it's something they've thrown together lately to patch up any .NET messes.

As Smart as Outlook? (1)

Zardoz44 (687730) | about 11 years ago | (#7321249)

As smart as forcing me to edit the registry so that I can actually see and download an attachment with a ".exe" extension?

My God. Force me to click through a prompt or something, but don't just tease me with an attachment's presence and then say that I can do nothing with it.

See this [] post.

Re:As Smart as Outlook? (1)

Neophytus (642863) | about 11 years ago | (#7321291)

Sometimes, a dialog is not enough. A 10s delay to force reading might just do it. People are stupid.

Already vapourware... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321252)

So ".NET" hasn't even really hit the ground running yet, and already it's sucessor is being announced? Too bad the Osborne curse [] never seems to affect MS when they do the same things that Osborne did.

Longhorn screenshots faked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321253)

So. Someone please tell me the longhorn screenshots out in the last couple of days were fake. I've had fucking Apple centric gits online ribbing me for windows copying the brushed metal look. I reckon they're fake... any backup anyone?

Re:Longhorn screenshots faked? (1)

Horny Smurf (590916) | about 11 years ago | (#7321350)

Considering all the MS fanbois that wanted to rip apple/iTunes a new one for not using the standard MS look and feel (as if any music player did), it would certainly be poetic justice if they were legitimate.

How about this... (2, Insightful)

jared_hanson (514797) | about 11 years ago | (#7321254)

building apps that are easier to use than Outlook.

Apple has it right, they build incredibly intelligent apps, with a minimalistic approach to user interface that has only the options people want. The result is that the apps are very easy to use and they look pretty to boot.

Do yourself a favor, switch to Mac now, you won't regret it. You'll have a easy to use desktop system with strong UNIX underpinnings. Plus, three years between OS releases is a long enough time to significantly erode Microsofts market share.

Re:How about this... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321349)

Apple = bloat.
I was wondering.. what's the fuss about iTunes for windows.. it _sucks_, it's slow and stupid.
It sucks more cpu/memory than Sonique. It's incredible.

I completely lost any interest on MacOSX.. based on iTunes.. it must feel like a fucking mammoth.. just like its' predecessor, not the smoothest thing...

Re:How about this... (3, Funny)

Mike Hawk (687615) | about 11 years ago | (#7321354)

Mod -1: Corporate Shill.

I turn to TV and a hotmail account when I want advertisements, thanks.

Re:How about this... (3, Insightful)

Belgand (14099) | about 11 years ago | (#7321369)

Well, that's also always been the downfall of Apple, you can only do what they think you might want to do with them and bugger all for anyone else. The biggest problem I've always had when using a Mac was that I felt like my hands were tied in a way I don't get with other systems nearly as much (not even Windows). I can't really change the system very much and most of my programs are too minimalistic lacking reasonable options or simply making things that much harder to understand.

The iPod is a great little piece of hardware, but honestly has some problems with the software. Almost every time I use it I think of minor changes that could easily have been made to give the user greater control, but were presumably left out because this method was simple and easy and the way they presumed everyone would want to use it.

The answer isn't minimalism any more than it is bloatware, you're either giving people too little (claiming it's only what they want) or far too much (and most of it being total crap).

Finally they get it.... (4, Funny)

vivek7006 (585218) | about 11 years ago | (#7321255)

"We need your feedback. We need your involvement to get this right."

Go open-source !!

And a lot of people still don't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321374) they will be silly enough to do beta-testing for them for free, maybe even give them feedback.

Unless I'm being paid for this, I'd much rather use my time to donate "feedback" and "involvement" to an OSS project.


I had some hope (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 11 years ago | (#7321259)

An article at Internet Week describes some of the goals: avoiding viruses, worms, and 'building apps that are as smart as Outlook.

One of these 3 goals says much about the level of innovation Microsoft is capable of. Can you find which one?

(the two others too in fact, they should have been met a long time ago really. Oh well, I guess I'll just stay with Linux for now ...)

still vaporware (3, Funny)

Horny Smurf (590916) | about 11 years ago | (#7321260)

Considering that longhorn won't be out until 2005^h6^h7, this sounds like a last-ditch attempt to stem the tide of small enterprise businesses which are rapidly switching to linux. Unless MS can show off some new functionality that can help the bottom line, their days are numbered.

Re:still vaporware (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 11 years ago | (#7321348)

Unless MS can show off some new functionality that can help the bottom line, their days are numbered.

If you like to bet, I'm game : I'll even let you bet 20 to 1 that Microsoft's days are numbered. How about it?

This is (0, Informative)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | about 11 years ago | (#7321272)

the most detailed look of Langhorn I've got so far here [] . Yeah it's the whole thing, and you're welcome.

Hmm. Pick any two (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321278)

1. avoid viruses
2. avoid worms
3. as smart as outlook.

Pick any two as long as you don't pick 3.

My Outlook is Great!!! (3, Funny)

Slashdolt (166321) | about 11 years ago | (#7321281)

Every time my Outlook crashes, it just starts itself right back up again! It starts itself up several times each day! All by itself!!!


Re:My Outlook is Great!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321414)

well, not only my Outlook does that, but my whole WindowsXP PC automatically boots itself up about 5 minutes after I shut it down, if I forget to switch off the PSU or the powerbar.

And I did NOT set up this parameter. This setting came with the installation. And I have yet to figure out how to turn that option off...

Improvements (3, Insightful)

SKPhoton (683703) | about 11 years ago | (#7321290)

Well Microsoft is making a big point saying that security is their top priority. The closest they came to anything security related was "addressing problems with viruses and worms." Hopefully it will be something more than a half-assed virus scanner. If it isn't halfway decent, people will blindly believe that it will be enough.

Let's hope Microsoft also does things we have been suggesting for who knows how long: firewall enabled by default, etc. Oh, and go through your OS and disable useless things such as Windows Messenger! Yes, it might hurt Microsoft's feelings if they read Slashdot for 5 minutes but who knows, they might actually get something useful out of it!

Goals? (5, Interesting)

mugnyte (203225) | about 11 years ago | (#7321297)

The goals of this OS seems pretty much the same as the last one. The productivity gains of having a "sidebar" are probably the same as the MSN website sidebar, which is kinda like having a billboard blinking outside your bedroom window all night : a distraction.

An XM-based FS is going to be a meta-data nightmare, with more churning than one thought possible. The pagefile size will need to be quite large to cache all that crap. But they'll use the extra-speedy Intels to compress is on the fly anyway.

Most of *any* speech recognition is going to be from research done on [cough] *nix machines of the past decade.

Revamping the graphics system is just what the DirectX doctor ordered: new APIs! Everything can be antialiased, from busy dancing icons to cursors to controls. yawn.

By keeping everyone busy adopting the new platform, form ignores function and we get the same stuff in a new box. I hope they keep pushing it out. Then again, we're talking about people who confuse an OS with their desktop images.


Shooting fish in a barrel (1, Insightful)

travdaddy (527149) | about 11 years ago | (#7321312)

Internet Week describes some of the goals: avoiding viruses, worms, and 'building apps that are as smart as Outlook.'

Insert obvious joke here.

Re:Shooting fish in a barrel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321351)

They have been inserting the joke for several posts now. Get with the picture, slappy, you're late.

Yeah, developpers are gonna get burned again... (1)

crovira (10242) | about 11 years ago | (#7321317)

With a 2006 time frame, (like Windows '95 '98, NT, Cairo etcetera Mr. Gates?) M$ insures that nobody's going to take this seriously. Do they think people use an M$ memory manager in their brain? It'll take three tries again to get their act together and by that time...)

Too many people got burned with vapor-ware and later-ware. Two or three years is too long to wait for the other shoe to drop. Only Bill Gates is made out of money. The rest of us have to generate revenue and profits.

I suspect that lots of companies are going to use the time to hone a Unix/OS X/Linux OS closed-source product development and marketing strategy.

Smart (1)

zoeblade (600058) | about 11 years ago | (#7321321)

...building apps that are as smart as Outlook

And I thought companies were supposed to set themselves high goals...

WinFS == Apple's "Piles", patented in the '90s (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321337)

"A demonstration of WinFS featured a method to "stack" documents by author in a window, with the heights of the stacks corresponding to the number of documents, as well as file views that showed snapshots of documents, rather than just file names."

And ten years before this, Apple patented Piles:

"Apple holds a patent on this one. Developed by Gitta Salomon and her team close to a decade ago, a pile is a loose grouping of documents. Its visual representation is an overlay of all the documents within the pile, one on top of the other, rotated to varying degrees. In other words, a pile on the desktop looked just like a pile on your real desktop.

To view the documents within the pile, you clicked on the top of the pile and drew the mouse up the screen. As you did so, one document after another would appear as a thumbnail next to the pile. When you found the one you were looking for, you would release the mouse and the current document would open."

... In addition to those snapshots posted of Longhorn over the weekend, isn't it a bit odd that Longhorn is essentially using the brushed metal look from OSX 10.3? The only difference being that MS made the grey a bit darker. Kudo's to the MS UI team.

Simpson's quote (5, Funny)

Shamashmuddamiq (588220) | about 11 years ago | (#7321364)

The magic 8-ball says: "Outlook not so good"

Bart: Wow, it does work!

RUN!!! (1, Offtopic)

UrGeek (577204) | about 11 years ago | (#7321370)

"building apps that are as smart as Outlook." I don't know if Outlook or IE is the single most horrible security risk in the history of computers but they are both at least tied for first place. RUN!!!!

not to worry (3, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | about 11 years ago | (#7321371)

We see oceans of information," said Adam Sohn a product manager for Microsoft's platform strategy and partner group

Don't worry about it. Many people experience similar hallucinations on psychoactives. Take it easy and try not to get paranoid. A beer or two would help too.

Evil Logo (4, Funny)

ViolentGreen (704134) | about 11 years ago | (#7321384)

I am not one of those people who go around professing the evilness of Microsoft. I did, however, come across this logo on that does look pretty evil. I doubt that it is official or anything

Evil Logo []

Ever changing APIs (1, Troll)

pstreck (558593) | about 11 years ago | (#7321385)

Why is it that Microsoft has to change the API every time a new version of winblows is released. I mean many APIs surrive for over a decade without going through as many rewrites as MS APIs go through. Take X11 and the NeXT Step APIs, they've evolved and grown but surrived. I'll never understand Microsoft....

gates' goals (0, Troll)

b17bmbr (608864) | about 11 years ago | (#7321397)

1) all your PC's are belong to us
2) "we are your overlord" - Led Zeppelin

tsk tsk tsk :( (-1, Troll)

atari2600 (545988) | about 11 years ago | (#7321398)

I have never understood the obsession the /. crowd have with new releases from Microsoft and more with screenshots of Longhorn - everytime a story gets posted on /. about a longhorn leak and its screenshots, i get amused - the builds that are leaked are way old and as someone who sees the latest builds of longhorn all the time (hint hint), i say you, who hate Microsoft and say so, are seriously obsessed with the company. No trolling here - just an observation...LOOOK NEW LONGHORN SCREENSHOTS...sheesh :)

eesh (0, Offtopic)

devphaeton (695736) | about 11 years ago | (#7321406)

Wow... Bill Gates looks like crap.

How old is he again?

i 3 email (0)

precogpunk (448371) | about 11 years ago | (#7321423)

One of the questions we ask them is, what tools really help you get your job done? What are your favorite technologies at work? First was electronic mail. They loved electronic mail.

I'm glad they invented email -- without it I wouldn't know where to get my viagra and penis enlargers.

ObFuturama (3, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | about 11 years ago | (#7321424)

Did anyone else read that as "Microsoft Officially Shows Lowerhorn"?


Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7321428)

While they busily mod down such inciteful and on-topych posts as this one, the general pubic is spreading it's legs like the whore that it is for Micosoft, Ballmer, Gates, et al.

WinFX is just another marketing campaign for the same old same old that Microsoft will continue to puch on the pubic.

It's time to REALLY hate Microsoft with a capital HATE. Comeone folks! Join me! Down with Microsoft, down with big business, down with the lies, down with failed security models, down with bloat, down with non-competitive monoplistic practices, down with corporate collusion, down with DRM, down with so-called "Intellectual Property Rights", down with buggy software, down with corporations taking away our power and freedom, down with Palladium, down with the stockholders, down with vaporware and false promises, down with "Trusted Computing", down with false claims of innovation, down with substandard browsers like IE, down with virus and worm vectors like Outlook/Outlook Express, down with software for gluttonous profit, down with software that keeps the user from controlling their own power to publish freely, down with unfair licensing practices that lock an OS to a box permanently, down with intrusion on the private informationstored on our computers, down with anti-P2P initiatives started by big business, down with the fuckers at the top as a whole!!!!!
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