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Longhorn Developers @ MSDN

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the future-of-the-rest dept.

Windows 454

ePIsOdEOnline writes "The official Microsoft Longhorn Developers website went live. Content is filled with information fresh from the PDC, and the host of secrecy swarming Microsoft and its next generation Operating System, Longhorn"

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454 comments

Not eating their own dogfood? (4, Funny)

ChaoticChaos (603248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7327987)

"The official Microsoft Longhorn Developers website went live."

Must not be running Longhorn.

Have some Alpo! (2, Insightful)

Avihson (689950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328168)

Kind of, The site www.msdn.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Windows Server 2003.

Their up time average is an astounding 18 days! Max was 112 days. Looks like they are finally learning something!

Now if you could just install service packs and sucurity patches without rebooting. When they get to that point, Server 2003 will be Enterprise Ready!

Netcraft uptime [netcraft.com]

Re:Have some Alpo! (1)

Disco Stew (703497) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328209)

a sign of a disturbing, yet strangely comforting, trend...

Click the link in my sig..

Re:Not eating their own dogfood? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328175)

Actually when it's finally done, Longhorn will be stable. From here [microsoft.com] : It is the first operating system built with managed code, which means that it's a lot harder to crash.

In other words, all the code is written in .NET compatible languages (probably C#, because it sucks less, MS' developers (who are C++ old hands) prefer it, etc.), which is *MANAGED*. If explorer crashes, the virtual machine will pick up the pieces.

This is kind of like Sun's JAVA OS, where everything is managed by the JVM, except .NET is fast, 95% as fast as native, and supports far more languages.

Still I guess some parts of the OS will remain in native mode (I'd be impressed if they did redo all Internet Explorer rendering code in .NET), such as device drivers.

Re:Not eating their own dogfood? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328316)

What happens when the VM crashes?

You can't write anything below the VM in a VM managed language, either. Dodgy drivers or just plain kernel bugs will still cause problems. Windows has improved enormously since the bad old days of Windows NT 4, but it still isn't good enough.

Re:Not eating their own dogfood? (4, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328215)

I can't seem to find the CVS repository.

Anyone else had luck?

Tail Pipe (1, Funny)

tonyMontana69 (712472) | more than 10 years ago | (#7327996)

Looks like Micro$oft did it again and we're gonna have to take the Longhorn up the old tailpipe.

in other words.... (-1, Troll)

borgdows (599861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7327999)

Longhorn bitches @ MSDN...

nothing new in the Microsoft world...

Well... (-1, Troll)

Sir Haxalot (693401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328000)

and the host of secrecy swarming Microsoft and it's next generation Operating System, Longhorn
How come a beta [msbetas.net] is already on bittorrent?

slashdot is not a warez board (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328094)

thank you.

That torrent is a little slow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328203)

That torrent is a little slow...

Re:That torrent is a little slow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328236)

That torrent is a little slow...
I'd imagine that's because a load of people from Slashdot just started downloading, it'll soon speed up again.

Make or Break? (3, Funny)

Tetsugaku-San (717792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328003)

Make or Break for M$ eh? Ooooo please let it be break! pleaseOpleaseOpleaseOpleaseOpleaseO :)

Re:Make or Break? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328046)

Yeah, this one single thing is going to make or break them. If Longhorn fails, their 95% market share will evaporate overnight. Yes, I know, Linux is "gaining" on them, but has been stagnant at around 1% for what, 5 years running now (for users)?

GMAFB. They're not going anywhere.

Aero (1)

vurg (639307) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328008)

How do I enable aero on the latest build?

Re:Aero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328152)

You can't. You gotta use CoffeeCrisp for now.

Heh heh heh... (0)

anaphora (680342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328009)

Wouldn't it be amusing if we /.'d MSDN? Maybe that would warrant another article. Heh heh heh...

survey says (-1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328017)

Microsoft is conducting a survey.
Would you like to participate?
No

long horn (-1, Troll)

jpm242 (202316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328025)

My horn is longer than yours. And hornier too.

Editor's Blog (0, Redundant)

Rahga (13479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328036)

Featured prominently below the "features" on that page is a message from the editor, containing a link to the editor's blog, which supposedly contains his thoughts on the longhorn dev community at the moment.

The blog? It's blank, contains no entries yet. Looks like a premature launch, IMHO....

Re:Editor's Blog (1)

Jodaxia (312456) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328085)

From the blog page

"And if you think he's missed something, let him know."

nope i think that says it all

Re:Editor's Blog (3, Funny)

Sayten241 (592677) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328131)

Looks like a premature launch

And as we all know, premature launches are not satisfying.

Premature emmissions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328195)

Are you saying that MS is too quick on the trigger?

Too much self-love can cause that!

ugh (1)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328038)

when you leave the page a javascript popup asks:
microsoft's conducting a survey. would you like to participate? everything's gonna be 'rigged' with the slashdot effect... :D

rats! (1)

snooo53 (663796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328201)

The first time I wish I actually had gotten a popup in Mozilla! :)

Re:rats! (1)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328342)

me too. on firebird. i have all ads blocked, and i was quite surprised when it happened!

I wanna participate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328298)

How can I get this Java popup?
Do I have to install Windows to get it?

Even uglier than XP! (1)

yabos (719499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328039)

I didn't think it was possible, but MS has done it!

Longhorn is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328040)


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The Longhorn Wailing Song

What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
In the end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain


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  • flask of ripe urine
    pressed to Longhorn lips
    Longhorn drink up


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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Longhorn fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Longhorn box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Longhorn box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Longhorn machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Longhorn box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the Longhorn machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Longhorn is a "superior" machine.

Longhorn addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Longhorn over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.


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It is common knowledge that Longhorn is dying. Almost everyone knows that ever hapless Longhorn is mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which Longhorn is the worst off of an admittedly suffering Longhorn community. The numbers continue to decline for Longhorn but Longhorn may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The erosion of user base for Longhorn continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

OpenLonghorn leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenLonghorn. How many users of Longhorn are there? Let's see. The number of OpenLonghorn versus NetLonghorn posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetLonghorn users. Longhorn/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetLonghorn posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Longhorn/OS. A recent article put Longhorn at about 80 percent of the Longhorn market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Longhorn users. This is consistent with the number of Longhorn Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, Longhorn went out of business and was taken over by LonghornI who sell another troubled OS. Now LonghornI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major marketing surveys show that Longhorn has steadily declined in market share. Longhorn is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Longhorn is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes Longhorn is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

Fact: Longhorn is dying

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It doesn't matter, no matter how many time you try to recesitate Longhorn, it's just doesn't matter. It's a plain and simple truth, Longhorn is dying.

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Click here [planetquake.com] to see the most appropriate case mod for a Longhorn system.


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If you can also print out your word processor documents on mummy-wraps, you've got it made.

Start by calling HP and asking for the special Longhorn-compatible inkjet printer that shoots out embalming fluid instead of ink.


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I, for one, would like to welcome our dead operating system overlords.


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1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.



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Sure, we all know that Longhorn is a failure , but why? Why did Longhorn fail? Once you get past the fact that Longhorn is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. Longhorn experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know Longhorn keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personas?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate Longhorn are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful Longhorn community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for Longhorn.


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Elegy For Longhorn

I am a Longhorn user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
Longhorn's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
Longhorn died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but Longhorn is dying.



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  • Gaping holes filled

  • Rotting corpse obsolete code
    Longhorn end near



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Longhorn gets it's skeleton smashed at OSnews!

Trolls, here is some inspiration for future Longhorn trolls [osnews.com]

P.S, I deleted my Longhorn partition last night and installed Linux back on it!


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Do people still actually USE Longhorn? Wasn't it rendered obsolete by Linux YEARS ago?


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Longhorn you grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate.
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way.
You'll admire all the numberbook takers,
Thugs, Longhorn pimps and pushers, and the big money makers.



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Roy Horn of the famous "Siegfried and Roy" magic ensemble was interviewed today from his hospital bed. Mr. Horn is recovering from a life threatening tiger attack. When asked about his condition Roy had this to say,

Don't worry. I'm doing OK. I'll be fine. However, on the other hand, Longhorn is dying .

Hang in there Roy. We're all pulling for you!


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That Longhorn daemon is so hot, I just want to suck his dick while jerking myself off and then bend him over and stick my dick in his tight red asshole. The fact that I'm an excellent artist only makes matters worse, since I tend to draw him during my Math class in sexually explicit positions instead of taking notes like I should, and I think people are noticing because they give me odd looks and this one guy even asked me if I was gay. Can somebody help me get rid of these urges? I'm sure they're perfectly healthy (hey, what slashdotter *hasn't* had a crush on another guy) but it's starting to intrude on my social life and I'd rather it not. Thanxz, AC


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Why you'd want to run an OS designed and coded by niggers is beyond me.


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What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
In the end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain



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Although it is true that Longhorn is dying, there are some helpful steps you can take ease your sorrow:

  • deal with the inevitable.
  • grieve for your loss.
  • move on.


Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer operating system. It isn't healthy. So Longhorn fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on.

Hope this helps.


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Four new security advisories about Longhorn:

1) If something dead bites you, you will turn into a zombie yourself (see "Dawn of the Dead")

2) Children should not play with dead things.

3) Storing your Longhorn distro install CD in formaldehyde will preserve the necrotic tissues from further rot.

4) Funerals can cost $4000. Don't forget to factor this in if you decide to go with Longhorn.


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What We Can Learn From Longhorn
By Chinese Karma Whore [slashdot.org] , Version 1.0

Everyone knows about Longhorn's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of Longhorn, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

Let's not be overly morbid and give Longhorn credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the Longhorn platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw Longhorn as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1Longhorn product, gave the Longhorn company a 2 year contract.

These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar Longhorn's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, Longhorn filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various Longhorn distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetLonghorn project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenLonghorn, as the result of a quarrel that he documents [theos.com] on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenLonghorn distribution.

As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, Longhorn's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each Longhorn distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT [mit.edu] found Longhorn's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even Longhorn's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study. [rice.edu]

Problems with Longhorn's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the Longhorn design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar [tuxedo.org] , rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. Longhorn developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - Longhorn's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that Longhorn managed to make were nullified by the Longhorn license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

The failure of Longhorn culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the Longhorn core team. They both believed that Longhorn had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, Longhorn had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as Longhorn sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to Longhorn's demise.

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It is official; Netcraft confirms: The Longhorn dies.

A crippling impact of the bomb community of the LonghornS, as IDC that confirmed
the market part, which is already besieged by the Longhorn left to the case however
another time, now for low smaller of than a break of 1 per cent of all users.
Come into the jumps of a new examination of Netcraft, that it obviously that
indicated the Longhorn lost more part of the market, hiving this message to
strengthen which we knew everything to the long. The Longhorn pulls down into
disarray complete, as fail absolutely last illustrated in the test exactly
described of the new network connection of the Admin system fittingly.

They do not need to be, a Kreskin for forecasting the future of the LonghornS. The
letter of the hand is in the wall: The Longhorn confronts a bald future. In the
fact, which it not no future into everything for Longhorn because the Longhorn has,
dies. The things regard after the Longhorn very badly. So much starting from us
is already cliente, the Longhorn continues losing the market part. The red ink
flows as river of the blood.

Longhorn is in the danger more from them all and loses 93% its coworker it
core. The sudden and only obviously vacation the long coworkers Jordao Hubbard
de Longhorn of the time and the Serveunterstreichens Mikrophonsmith the point.
There the doubt any any more does not conserve time everything during many:
Longhorn dies.

We go remaining, it the facts and regarding the numbers.

The leader Theo de OpenLonghorn indicates that it has 7000 users OpenLonghorn. Much
using NetLonghorn, which it has? We go seeing. The number of OpenLonghorn against
posts of NetLonghorn in the USENET is approximately in a relation of 5 the 1.
Consequently 1400 of NetLonghorn a 7000/5. The posts of Longhorn/OS have in the USENET
approximately to use are on half of the expenditure of the posts of NetLonghorn.
Consequently it has approximately 700 users Longhorn/OS. A new article used
approximately Longhorn in 80 per cent the market of the LonghornS. Consequently
it has (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 users Longhorn. That is continuous with the
number of post the USENET de Longhorn.

The problems tributary that had abysmal nut, vendas and therefore for in
front, Longhorn it to the left the business and it examination on for LonghornI that
in an educated manner, which is also nonfunctioning venda, which another one
disturbed now the LonghornI, its however turned Corpse for another Hauscharnel.
All main examinations show that the Longhorn sank firmly in the market part. The
Longhorn is very ill and its prospects on a long-term basis surviving much makes
not blind. If the Longhorn must survive by the fact that it is dilettante between
amateurs of. The Longhorn continues spoiling. Wunderswims briefly of one could
conserve it on this moment the time. For all practical purposes the Longhorn is
nonfunctioning.

Fact: The Longhorn dies

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Danger Will Robinson - TOO MANY BUGS

Do not even attempt to install and use Longhorn UNLESS you have done a full backup. The bugs in this are not fixed yet and you could lose EVERYTHING. Backup is a must. A word to the wise ...


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When it comes to the subject of operating systems, most of us can agree on at least one thing, and that is the simple plain truth that Longhorn is dying. But the deeper question is why? Why did Longhorn fail?

Once you get past the fact that Longhorn is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. Longhorn experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know Longhorn keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personas?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate Longhorn are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful Longhorn community. That hope is long gone, replaced by an inconsolable despair. A mournful and plaintive nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for Longhorn.

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PROOF THAT Longhorn INFRINGES SCO COPYRIGHTS

As you all know, Microsoft has recently paid license fees to the SCO group for Unix intellectual property in order to be legally allowed to distributed their services for Unix product. Since it is clear that this product is a derivative work of Longhorn, this means that Microsoft must have decided that distribution of this work without a proper SCO license would be a legal risk. Now, no one is more protective of their own profitability than Microsoft, so you can be sure they wouldn't fork over a dime to anyone unless they absolutely had to. Therefore, anyone must accept that Longhorn is clearly infringing SCO copyrights, and all Longhorn users should begin negotiations with SCO for license fees immediately.


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Longhorn is getting its sorry ass kicked from here to eternity.

That sucka be dead.

Also, the Longhorn release engineering team consists of ten to twenty individually caged chimpanzees with WebTVs that are captured, infected with rabies, and replaced promptly upon death. If no chimpanzees are available, a core team member interested in streamlining the bureaucracy is used.

Deal with it. This is the truth.


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Longhorn is dead
Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead
It's quite dead


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Just goes to prove Longhorn is dying. Nobody fucking cares enough about it to post something relevant. In fact, if it weren't for us trolls this topic would have a grand total of one comment (as of Oct 11, 12:30 AM central time)

If you Longhorn die-hards still aren't getting the truth about Longhorn, consider this:

1. Is Longhorn being improved at a faster rate than Linux? (no, as if Longhorn has a multibillion dollar company like IBM backing it with 3,000 developers - ha!)

2. Are the number of Longhorn users increasing?
(clearly not, and i'm talking about real Longhorn not Mac OS X bastardised UNIX)

3. What do most open source developers use (LINUX, nerds, LINUX)

You cannot escape the truth! Longhorn will be dead in 5 years! I guarantee it!

This post brought to you by a Truthmaster (aka a Linux user)


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Why does this section still exist?

Isn't it entirely disrespectful to the dead? We don't have a bobhope.slashdot.org now do we? Get some manners people.


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Question - What do you call a gathering of Longhorn developers?
Answer - a funeral.


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Longhorn and AIDS

This just in: homosexuality among Longhorn users has skyrocketed. The cause is yet to be determined, however most sources indicate that it has something to do with Longhorn users comforting each other in an strictly unusual way, to be quite a frank about it, gay sex. On Monday Longhorn was giving a sad prognosis, it was dying. It probably won't have much longer to live. So when news broke out hell broke loose. Jimmy an avid Longhorn user had this to say:

"When I heard this news I was utterly devastated, so I went to my friend Darl, who is also a Longhorn user. He didn't yet know of the unfortunate, and he didn't take it well. He broke down in tears, this is the second blow to him in a week, he found out that he contracted AIDS from a Black homosexual prostitute on the street one day. I said to Darl, 'well you know something Longhorn is dying, and well, I'm going to die with it.'

I pulled down my pants and bent over, Darl took care of the rest. I don't know if I have yet to get AIDS, but we have gay anal sex everyday, without any lubricant for maximum ripage. The Longhorn mailing list I joined reports the same thing happening among the other Longhorn users. We are all planning on having one massive gay orgy on Saturday, so if you want to go out and be with Longhorn up in heaven, come join us."

Well you've heard it folks from a true Longhorn user. They have all turned gay because of these unfortunate happenings.


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It is with a heavy heart that we must report that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, Longhorn has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

  • Bob Hope
  • Buddy Ebsen
  • Buddy Hackett
  • Barry White
  • Longhorn
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.


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Lights out, pard.

Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,

Longhorn is dying


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Hello. Your friendly neighborhood slasdotter here to let you know that Longhorn IS DEAD. Dead dead dead dead dead. You hear me? Dead. Very dead. Deadder than a doornail. Dead as Richard Nixon. That's how dead it is.

Now can we PLEASE move along and start talking about important tapiocas? Things like: "What color does Linus Torvalds paint his toenails?" This is Slashdot, [slashdot.org] right?


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POS

Another Longhorn...tsk, tsk, tsk...that's all we need. ugh.


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Longhorn can suck my hairy cock

I mean who gives a flying fuck about it all.

Install something halfway good.

Hint: Use Tux's OS

P.S. Longhorn is dying.

Zealot Out.


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Longhorn: Feeding tube re-iserted

Oct. 23 -- Longhorn resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.

"IF IT'S over a year, Longhorn's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just don't see it. It just doesn't happen."

Longhorn, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding tube in Longhorn's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband, Theo De Ratt, who said his wife had told him she (Longhorn) would not want to be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (Longhorn) could die.


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It's fucking dying SHIT ON ME! It's official - Netcraft has fucking confirmed: Longhorn is dying

Yet another cunting bombshell hit the "community" of Longhorn asswipes when IDC recently confirmed that Longhorn accounts for less than a fraction of one single puny fucking percent of all servers. Coming hot on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Longhorn has lost more fucking market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Longhorn is ingesting itself backwards, disappearing up its very own shitter, as fittingly exemplified by coming a piss poor dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a cock-sucking Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict Longhorn's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Longhorn faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any fucking future at all for Longhorn because that sorded, shit-filled, mutated testicle of an operating system is dying. Things are looking very bad for Longhorn. As many of us are already aware, Longhorn continues to lose market share. Red ink splashes across the accounting documents like a series of exploding bloodfarts. Longhorn munches the most ass of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Longhorn cuntwipes Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Longhorn is dying and its rotting corpse smells worse than a maggot, vomit, shit and piss cocktail.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the fucking numbers, shall we? OK!

OpenLonghorn wanker Theo states that there are a pathetic 7000 users of OpenLonghorn. How many users of NetLonghorn are there? Oh, God, let's fucking see... The number of OpenLonghorn versus NetLonghorn posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore it's turd-suckingly obvious that there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetLonghorn users. Longhorn/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetLonghorn posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Longhorn/OS. A recent article put Longhorn at about 80 percent of the Longhorn market. Therefore, by simple fucking arithmetic, there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Longhorn users. Surprise fucking surprise, this is consistent with the number of Longhorn Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of those arseholes at Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, Longhorn showed themselves to be a bunch of retarded tossers, went out of business and were taken over by LonghornI who sell another special needs OS. Now LonghornI is also a miserable failure, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house... pathetic.

All major surveys show that Longhorn has steadily fucking declined in market share. Longhorn is where it belongs, at death's door and its long term survival prospects are almost non-fucking-existant. If Longhorn is to survive at all it will be among moronic, dilettante shitheads. Longhorn continues to Chew Satan's Dick And Fuck The Baby Jesus Up The Pooper. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Longhorn is dead.

Fact: Longhorn IS A FUCKING USELESS WASTE OF BITS AND IS DYING LIKE THE DOG THAT IT IS. IT MAKES ME SICK JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.

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THE DEAD Longhorn SKETCH

Cast:
Mr. Praline: John Cleese
Shop Owner: Michael Palin

A customer enters an operating system shop.

Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint. (The owner does not respond.)
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this operating system what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, Longhorn...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, it's uh,...it's resting.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead operating system when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Owner: No no it's not dead, it's, it's restin'! Remarkable OS, Longhorn, idn'it, ay? Beautiful kernel!
Mr. Praline: The kernel don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! It's resting!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if it's restin', I'll wake it up! (bashes at the keyboard) 'Ello, Mister Longhorn! I've got a lovely fresh kernel update for you if you show...

(owner hits the keys)

Owner: There, it spewed some debug output to the command line!
Mr. Praline: No, it didn't, that was you hitting the keys!
Owner: I never!!
Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Mr. Praline: (yelling and typing into the console repeatedly) 'ELLO COMMAND PROMPT!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock cron job!

(Rips out hard drive from computer case and thumps it on the counter. Shoves it back inside the case and reboots the system - blank screen.)

Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead operating system.
Owner: No, no.....No, it's stunned!
Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You stunned it, just as it was finishing an I/O task! Longhorn stuns easily, major.
Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That operating system is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of responsiveness was due to it bein' in the process of recompiling itself after a particularly comprehensive code update.
Owner: Well, it's...it's, ah...probably pining for some dilettante dabbling.
Mr. Praline: PININ' for some DILETTANTE DABBLING?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that? Look, why did it fall flat on its back the moment I started Emacs?
Owner: Longhorn prefers swapping everything out to the hard drive! Remarkable variant, id'nit, squire? Lovely kernel!
Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining the system when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been printing any text at all to the screen was because of all the WORRYING COMPILER WARNINGS encountered while it was being rebuilt.

(pause)

Owner: Well, o'course it was spitting out those warnings! If I hadn't updated the kernel with an unstable development build, you might have had your FTP server compromised, and VOOM! Bye bye to your business.
Mr. Praline: "Server"?!? Mate, this OS wouldn't "serve" if you put four million volts through it! It's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! It's pining!
Mr. Praline: It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This OS is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! [lemis.com] It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! The numbers continue to decline for Longhorn but Longhorn may be hurting the most. All major marketing surveys show that Longhorn has steadily declined in market share. Longhorn is extremely sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Longhorn is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes Longhorn is already dead. It is a dead man walking.Longhorn's foot is in the grave.Development of Longhorn nowadays is mired by bylaws, committees, reports and milestones. Technically, the Longhorn project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips the ability of the developers to deliver. There's no simple solution to this. Why would anyone choose to use a Longhorn over other faster, more stable systems? We can all agree that Longhorn is a failure. Yet why did Longhorn fail? Once you get past the fact that Longhorn is fragmented between myriad incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. Longhorn experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know Longhorn keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities? The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate Longhorn are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful Longhorn community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for Longhorn. Fact: Longhorn is an ex-operating system!!

(pause)

Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of UNIX variants.
Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Owner: I got Microsoft Windows XP Professional.

(pause)

Mr. Praline: Pray, is it difficult to setup, use and maintain?
Owner: Nnnnot really.
Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?
Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)
Mr. Praline: Well.

(pause)

Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?
Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.

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It's not pinin'. It's passed on. This OS is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile. Longhorn is an ex-operating system.

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GET IT THR0UGH Y0UR FUCK1NG HEADS, Longhorn 15 FUCK1NG DEAD! G0 and 1NSTALL MANDRAKE L1NUX YOU DEV1L W0RSH1PERS!
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Ass pounding

Longhorn Sux0rs

In a startling turn of events today, a previously little-known fact came into the public eye: "Longhorn Sux0rs". This came as a complete surprise to the BUWLA, or Longhorn Users With Large Assholes, as they previously thought that Longhorn 0wned.

"You see, even though I have never contributed code to any Longhorn project, I thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others which don't use the OS I do, because it just 0wnz.", said one Longhorn user. "Now that I know it sux0rs, though, I have to go find something else to be an asshole about."

One notorious OpenLonghorn fanatic known as WideOpen, told reporters, "I have to kill myself. This isn't how it was supposed to happen. My Longhorn has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other people's faces at every chance I got has been my only hobby. It was all I ever did. It was what got me out of bed in the morning. Now I have to die. I will jam my bedpost up my ass until I hit my brain. It is the only way to go: Longhorn style."

In the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen. "At least we don't sux0r as much as Windows users", BigAzz, a relatively well-known NetLonghorn user said. "Screaming things in people's faces is my calling. Now I need to scream that Longhorn sux0rs. What a sad world. At least I won't kill myself like those uber-asshole OpenLonghorn guys. They are just way over the top. Or were, at least."

Nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating systems, but with Netcraft confirming the sux0r status, Longhorn users all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.

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Rod Grimes - 10 Years Later

Actually, only 8 or 9 years later, since I haven't seen Rod in the last year or two. He's a bitter, angry asshole who's ruined more than a couple business deals with various people I've known. I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually /liked/ Rod. He was trying to run a business as a systems integrator in Gresham, Oregon and that failed miserably. He ran a spam operation for a good while, putting all that Longhorn knowledge to "good" use. Yes, Longhorn is dying, rightfully so.

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The End of Longhorn

[ed. note: in the following text, former Longhorn developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning Longhorn]

When I stood for election to the Longhorn core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the Longhorn project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

Longhorn used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

Discussion

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

Shouts

To the Slashdot "Longhorn is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the Longhorn committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

Future

I started work on Longhorn because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

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Longhorn IS DEAD

"Do not stand at my hard disk and forever weep.
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn's rain.
When you reboot in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my hard disk and forever cry.
I am not there. "

Longhorn IS DEAD

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All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Mac OS don't fear the reaper
Nor do the windows, SUN or the rain..we can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
Longhorn's bought the farm....

Distro is done
Here but now they're gone
Romeo and Juliet
Are together in eternity...Romeo and Juliet
40,000 server crashes every day...Like Romeo and Juliet
40,000 workstations reformatted everyday...Redefine happiness
Another 40,000 coming everyday...We can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper
Longhorn's bought the farm...

Love of two is one
Here but now they're gone
Came the last night of sadness
And it was clear she couldn't log on
Then the file was opened the wind appeared
The mobo blew then disappeared
The curtains flew then Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith appeared...saying don't be afraid
Come on baby...and she had no fear
And she ran to them...then they started to fly
They looked backward and said goodbye...she had become like they are
She had taken their hand...she had become like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper "


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Longhorn is a one legged man in an ass kicking contest

Longhorn is a one legged man in an ass kicking -- It got its ass kicked, plain and simple.

Boo hoo hoo. Sob.

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who cares? (0, Offtopic)

MattMan741 (556495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328043)

I have less then zero interest in longhorn, if the public is willing to bend over and take what ms is gonna give em with this particular upgrade, then they diserve what they're gonna get.

Re:who cares? (1)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328119)

I have so little interest in Longhorn, that I won't even post a comment to an article about it. Whoops!

Re:who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328172)

I have so little interest I'm not going to look at the link, read the article, read any posts or form an opinion. Oh wait...

Re:who cares? (1)

azzy (86427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328193)

I have so little interest, I didn't even read your reply.

Re:who cares? (3, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328170)

Well, I for one care. I'm sure there are plenty of others here too. Some of us actually have jobs based on Windows technologies that provide well for our families. Interesting concept, eh?

Re:who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328263)

I know people who had jobs like that. Then one morning they all got their asses fired for no reason. Interesting concept, eh? Makes you want to run right out and sign a mortgage, doesn't it?

Re:who cares? (2, Funny)

tbone1 (309237) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328319)

slashdotters have bred? I don't think 'interesting' is quite the word ...

Re:who cares? (5, Interesting)

gregmac (629064) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328320)

I have less then zero interest in longhorn

You know, that's exactly how I feel.

I still run 2k on my home system (mostly out of lazyness really, theres nothing windows-specific that I really rely on, save a couple games on occasion). I still run 2k on all the workstations at work (except mine, which is RH). My PDC is NT4 on a 500mhz box, as it has been for 3 years, and once I get time it will become Samba3 (it also runs Apache and BIND).

I do have a 2k server, which is running our accounting system (unfortunately, the low-cost (under $1k) linux-based stuff didn't meet our needs, linux mid-market ($5-20k) doesn't exist, and the rest is $90k+). We ended up going with a mid-market windows-only solution, but that system is ready to be a terminal server.

I have all the pieces in place, and my ultimate plan here is to switch all our desktops over, once I find something that isn't going to reduce the 'feature set' of our desktops. An upgrade isn't really viable if I have to tell everyone "oh sorry, you can't select printing options when you print anymore, they can only be set in the driver options - which you can't access".

I'm just totally giving up on windows. It's just not worth the hassle anymore. I can't do any sort of automatic app installation, which is one of the things that bothers me a lot. Our office is small - 8 workstations - but it's big enough that it takes a lot of time to go around doing windowsupdate, installing version x.y+1 of whatever, etc. I never found a nice solution that didn't cost a lot of money. (And yes, I know 2k can do it. I've used it at another company, and we had to turn it off because it made things more difficult). This is the sort of thing that I can use rsync and a couple shell scripts for, and have a working solution in half an hour. Flexibility is key: My job is not to be a sysadmin (we're not even a computer-related business), so the less time I spend sysadmin-ing, the better.

Anyway, that kind of turned into a rant, and i'm not looking to fight with any of you MSCE's that are going to try and counter everything I've just said - I've heard it a million times. I'm just trying to point out that if you're going to wait, wait for something worth waiting for. I personally don't see longhorn adding anything that justifies the expense.

Wise choice (3, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328063)

If you ask me it's a very Good Thing that Microsoft is making it possible to get developer insigt into Longhorn at this point. After all, the OS is not scheduled to be released for several years.

And before we start with the M$ bashing, let's remember that Microsoft can also do some things right, just as the Gnu/Linux community can do some things wrong...

My 2 cents, anyhow.

Re:Wise choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328132)

now, see, this is exactly what RMS doesn't want to see when GNU/Linux is mentioned.

RMS: "let's remember that MS can also do all things wrong, just as the GNU/Linux community can do all things right."

Re:Wise choice (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328313)

now, see, this is exactly what RMS doesn't want to see when GNU/Linux is mentioned.

RMS: "let's remember that MS can also do all things wrong, just as the GNU/Linux community can do all things right."


Let me get this straight... you post anonymously, make up a fake quote in another persons name. You really think you're blessed with the Jobsian Reality Distortion Field, don't you?

Frankly, the world in not black and white, and your credibility is quite limited.

Re:Wise choice (3, Insightful)

interiot (50685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328211)

Or... it could be interpretted as "we won't have an advance in the OS or browser market for three years, so we're going to keep consumers as disctracted as possible during that time so better products like Mozilla and Linux don't errode our marketshare."

Re:Wise choice (4, Funny)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328218)

But 3 years to polish off what is now in beta?
Who does MS think they are...Debian?!

Re:Wise choice (2, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328274)

let's remember that Microsoft can also do some things right

Yeah, they make killer mice.

Longhorn apt-get easy! (4, Funny)

Debian Troll's Best (678194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328067)

I've already upgraded my Debian box to Longhorn using a simple apt-get dist upgrade command. I don't know why Microsoft has secrecy warnings all over the place...you should be able to get it from any Debian mirror. Has anyone else upgraded their Debian install this way? I can't seem to find GNOME any more.

Re:Longhorn apt-get easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328107)

apt-get suicide gun

ps: Debian is dying

Re:Longhorn apt-get easy! (2, Funny)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328194)

Err, somebody should start a discussion on one of their mailing lists. They do realize that it violates there contract and it belongs in non-free, right?

Microsoft eliminate blue screen of death... (5, Funny)

MountainMan101 (714389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328071)

The fix was simple. They simply swapped:
$error.backcolour=#0000ff;

for

$error.backcolour=#000000;

Now, no Blue screen of death!

Re:Microsoft eliminate blue screen of death... (1, Informative)

Rahga (13479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328112)

No way.

Look, man, you need to know that the video modes used to display blue screens of deaths don't support the use of 16 million pretty pretty colors, or even 256. Nope, those modes use a grand total of any of sixteen colors.

Figured I'd point that out.

Re:Microsoft eliminate blue screen of death... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328276)

Sixteen? I thought it was only white on blue.

Re: Microsoft eliminate blue screen of death... (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328315)


> The fix was simple. They simply swapped:
$error.backcolour=#0000ff;

for

$error.backcolour=#000000;

Now, no Blue screen of death!


I would have used

$error.backcolour=#dea74

or just

$error.backcolour=#b50d

Nice.. (4, Informative)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328075)


That's a nice source of information there. I was especially interested in their description of WinFS [microsoft.com] .

Everything that is stored in the WinFS store is an item and each item has metadata properties that are described by a schema. Items that follow the schema are stored in the WinFS store as serialized .NET objects and are accessed through T-SQL views that give access to the items' properties.

Re:Nice.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328290)

Everything that is stored in the WinFS store is an item and each item has metadata properties that are described by a schema. Items that follow the schema are stored in the WinFS store as serialized .NET objects and are accessed through T-SQL views that give access to the items' properties.

And the best part is: the program to access all this is even MORE complicated.

Windows Longhorn business plan (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328079)

Aero is the new Windows user experience. Aero consists of guidelines, recommendations, and user experience values that help your applications get the most out of the Microsoft Windows Code Name "Longhorn"

Step 1: Have all your windows waste even more screen space with extra wide title bars and flashy BIG 3d rendered icons
Step 2: Users must now all buy brand new, larger monitors and video cards
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Muwahahah all the money in the world is ours

Stolen Source from Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328092)

Longhorn project has stolen source and ideas from Apple Inc, and our bellowed genius, guru, and leader Steve J.

Re:Stolen Source from Apple (0)

sirReal.83. (671912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328167)

um, i hope you can back this up. in case you don't know, this is /. and we're not big fans of SCO-esque FUD.

Apples are yummy though.

Javascript Application (1)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328095)

Heh. I went to their site and got this:
Microsoft is conducting an Online survey.


Your opinion counts!

Would you like to participate?

[Cancel] [OK]

Participate? They wish!

Microsoft has solved the ultimate question (2, Funny)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328144)

Aristotle, Descartes, Plato and Socrates couldn't manage it, but it seems that Microsoft has solved the ultimate question. Take a read of this crap:
For thousands of years, philosophers and scientists have attempted to explain the cosmos in terms of dual opposing but coexistent principles: good and evil, yin and yang, matter and energy, mind and body, waves and particles, and, of course, programming code and markup languages. Programming and markup currently coexist in an uneasy truce. In theory, programming languages can do anything the computer is capable of, but they're often clunky for the job of laying out text, images, and controls in a simple visual interface. Markup is great for defining highly textured pages of text and images that adapt to different screen sizes and environments, but is hopelessly inept when it comes time to interact with the user in any nontrivial way. In creating a new programming interface for building Windows(R)-based client applications, the developers at Microsoft have decided not to deny this dualism, but to embrace and celebrate it. They have created an environment in which programming and markup boldly and intricately mesh in mutually supporting roles. The result--the presentation subsystem code-named "Avalon"--may well be the greatest experiment in synergistic duality since Adam and Eve. Vive la difference!
Emphasis my own. I think I'm going to be sick.

Re:Javascript Application (0)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328161)

this sucks...
i posted the same comment ...
earlier i might add, and i got
negative points!

i'm destined for failure

1 more thing (0)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328185)

right here [slashdot.org]
8:53 am is earlier than 9:08am

Re:1 more thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328200)

Ha ha even Slashdot doesn't like you!

Guys this is a total Win98SE (1, Interesting)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328100)

Longhorn is a yawn, a client-only release.

WinFS was supposed to replace NTFS. Now it's just gonna be IMDB (in-memory database) which was stripped from Win2000 at the last minute file-system filter driver, which will be used by Explorer. Neat, but isn't gonna change your business.

The shell theme will change.

The most interesting development, Avalon, will attempt to replace the Win32 api with managed code, *not* Windows.Forms but a new client API. What'll end up happening by RTM is Microsoft will have written a great big propriatary app that you won't be able to use.

There will be minor kernel perf tweaks, but if you still launch > 200 processes you still see random failures from CreateProcess. (Never tried it, have you?)

Already a bug! (1, Troll)

RyoSaeba (627522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328103)

From their web site:
Announced at the 2003 Professional Developers Conference, Microsoft Windows Code-Named "Longhorn" is
the the next version of the Windows operating system.

(emphasis mine)

Re:Already a bug! (2, Funny)

bpbond (246836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328353)

If only we had a word processor that would flag those kinds of things automatically. Acutally, why not correct them automatically, too? And maybe have some sort of animated character to interact with the user...yeah, right, THAT'S the ticket!

How are they gonna manage this? (3, Interesting)

Jameth (664111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328108)

No, seriously. How are they gonna maintain an active interest during the next two years of development?

I say things up there about 'migration' and 'preparing' and 'interoperability' but I didn't see a way for them to maintain support. Linux can maintain an active beta because people can actually work on it, so they can more easily test it and benefit immediately from that testing.

Microsoft, I've seen many claim, is drumming up support and mostly trying a publicity stunt. The question is, how do you run a 2-3 year publicity stunt?

Maybe they should ask SCO. /jibe

Re:How are they gonna manage this? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328362)

No, seriously. How are they gonna maintain an active interest during the next two years of development?

Apparently you haven't seen much of the Windows development community. There really are people who write software that uses the latest Windows APIs and need to develop for them before the OS gets released. There were several active WDM mailing lists going on for years before WDM actually showed up in a release OS.

Linux can maintain an active beta because people can actually work on it, so they can more easily test it and benefit immediately from that testing.

This is a beta test for application/driver developers, not OS developers. If you are developing for a new OS, it's handy to have a copy of that OS before it gets released so you can make sure your software is compatible. It's more about getting the latest stuff out there to test with your applications than it is for you to find every Windows hole and get it fixed before release.

Loooooonghorn (1, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328109)

I realize the product isn't finished... and won't be for a long while (hint to /. editors)... but check out this comedy from the developer site [microsoft.com] .

It's a so-called 'guided tour of Longhorn', which consists of no actual imagery, but rather a gigantic step-list of things for you to click on in your Longhorn alpha, to make you go 'ooooh'.

Just brutal. I mean, if its really a 'bet-the-company' strategy, you'd think they'd splash out just a little cash for a Flash or non-ass-looking PPT prez... or even screenshots.... something other than this. Just looks really amateur.

Say what you will, this is one thing Apple clearly understands and Microsoft seems to have no fucking clue about. People want the buzz. Windows fans especially want the buzz so they know WTF they are waiting years for... and I realize its years away and not close to finished... but yet, people are out there toying with these alphas, so they should get on the ball and do a preview page like Apple did for Panther.

(People tell me all the time that Windows 'won' because of 'superior marketing'... I've never believed they were good marketeers.)

Re:Loooooonghorn (4, Interesting)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328150)

I realize the product isn't finished... and won't be for a long while (hint to /. editors)... but check out this comedy from the developer site.

It's a so-called 'guided tour of Longhorn', which consists of no actual imagery, but rather a gigantic step-list of things for you to click on in your Longhorn alpha, to make you go 'ooooh'.

Just brutal. I mean, if its really a 'bet-the-company' strategy, you'd think they'd splash out just a little cash for a Flash or non-ass-looking PPT prez... or even screenshots.... something other than this. Just looks really amateur.


Um... which of these options do you prefer:

1. Microsoft makes fake demos of things that don't exist yet.
2. Microsoft has the guts not to show what they don't have.

This is a developer site, not a marketing splash. Developers want information, not pretty presentions.

The fact that they are willing to give out information on a product which is years from being finished shows both courage and strategic integrity, if you ask me.

Re:Loooooonghorn (1)

MrBlackBand (715820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328206)

Windows fans...

No such creature exists!
Sure, there are people who tolerate Windows, but fans? Come on!

Re:Loooooonghorn (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328231)

They did kindly provide an RSS feed...

Re:Loooooonghorn (1)

ratfynk (456467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328250)

From what I am seeing this version of Windows is only targeted at mouse clicking morons. I think that MS is trying desperately to separated their server and business OS from Windows home users. I would not be supprised if Longhorn will not even fun a compiler when it finally gets released. When the most important alpha features are playlists and pictures, the interest in this software for hackers will be nil.

Re:Loooooonghorn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328360)

I think that MS is trying desperately to separated their server and business OS from Windows home users.
You think this even though their last releases have been about getting the server and home versions to come from the same codebase?

Re: Loooooonghorn (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328350)


> It's a so-called 'guided tour of Longhorn', which consists of no actual imagery, but rather a gigantic step-list of things for you to click on in your Longhorn alpha, to make you go 'ooooh'.

> Just brutal. I mean, if its really a 'bet-the-company' strategy, you'd think they'd splash out just a little cash for a Flash or non-ass-looking PPT prez... or even screenshots.... something other than this. Just looks really amateur.

Yeah, you'd think their legal team could whip up another fake demo for them.

Re:Loooooonghorn (2, Funny)

miltimj (605927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328363)

Definitely my favorite quote on that page:

2. Open the "DefaultStore," which is a view of WinFX through the Win32(R) APIs. Drag in copies of a variety of photos, music, and documents. (Use only copies of your data to prevent data loss.)

Nothing new here. (1)

the web (696015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328120)

By using a combination of XAML and C# (or Visual Basic(R) .NET) code, you can build various types of output files including traditional Windows desktop executables, DLL libraries, and console applications.

So, corrupting the Kernel will be just as easy, efficient, and user friendly as with other Windows Versions!

Re:Nothing new here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328252)

What are you whittering on about?

Panther says "Longhorn was tasty" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328124)

But thinks Billy Goat would be to bony.

this is why... (0)

sirReal.83. (671912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328128)

i switched to linux about 6 months ago and i use about 99% free software. i never liked using microsoft software before, but this was the kicker.
and i'm not the only one who noticed... microsoft has been shooting more and more holes in its foot lately. i figure it's only a matter of time before they stoop to the level of the SCO thugs.

Why is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328139)

I thought the MS developers would be hawking their new system on sourceforge, not MSDN. What are they thinking?

Long Horn Snake Oil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328147)

Hello, yes will you be purchasing an os today? great.
What are its features? Well, its gonna cost too much, run really FAT, be FULL of bugs, let M$ have full control over your heart, soul, and generally screw around with you, the user, until we decide to shove another half baked pile of S@#T down your gullet you stupid poncy git!!! Will that be paper, plastic, or just heap it in the back of your pickup truck.
be careful it stains.

The Longhorn slogan? (1)

falsified (638041) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328162)

"Beginning a technology wave that will define the digital decade"

Has anyone heard anything that supports this statement? They're saying that this is the biggest change since 3.1 vs. Win95...but that was what XP was supposed to be. I'm not seeing anything on here that's wowing me.

From the meta data (0)

hate_this_nick (699884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328165)

"The Longhorn Client is the beginning of a product and technology wave that will define the Digital Decade."

Oh yeah. This is really going to define the Digital Decade. Lets see, if we assume the digital decade is 2000-2010 and Longhorn ships in 2006 or 2007 thats not really a decade is it?

Or will the Digital Decade be "defined" by DRM, content control, Microsoft only software etc?

I don't like that name (1)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328174)

Being a Texan, its excrutiating to me that Microshaft chose this name. I just wanted to let everybody know that this in no way means Texas equals MS.

Oh, IMHO some UT Austin grad probably works for MS now and said "oh lets name it after my almater". I would have said, "Ok, lets name it after Bevo."

Microsoft Bevo Release Candidate 1

Gosh, it just sounds more appropriate.

Re:I don't like that name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328307)

Well, Micro$uck is known for bullshit.

Winfs is an interesting idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328182)

The site was very informative. Winfs is very interesting. Longhorn seems to be packed with a lot of cool features. Hats off to MS just for that.

Interesting comment from Bill (4, Interesting)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328226)

Over on C|Net [com.com] , there's an article about Longhorn. Bill Gates has called this their biggest effort since Win95. Now if we assume that he's telling the truth (hey, why not?), it brings up some interesting parallels.

Windows95 originally was just going to be Windows 4.0--an updated version of Win3.1 Turning it into more than a GUI for DOS, adding multitasking, recreating the GUI, and so forth, was a HUGE undertaking which lead to endless delays. (Win4.0 was supposed to be out in '93; Win95 barely made it into it's named year.) But what threat caused the massive effort? OS/2. OS/2 2.1, the PPC chip, and the Pentium FP math bug got MS good and scared, and they came up with a (relative) miracle.

Now they're saying that they're putting that effort in again. What, pray tell, is the threat to MS this time, hmmmm?

Re:Interesting comment from Bill (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328286)

And both times, IBM has an active role in leading the charge.

Re:Interesting comment from Bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328308)

What, pray tell, is the threat to MS this time, hmmmm?
Overzealous government?

New OS, same old company behind it... (2, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328227)

Any word on how the much ballyhooed Trustworthy Computing fits into the picture?

Or is there going to be the convenient clause in the EULA which states, "the consumer will be obligated to periodically, by an automated process download and install patches or warranty is void" This could be the OS that finally gets everyone onto broadband/DSL/etc. due to the shear volume that each will have to download. Yay!

Then again, many will try to use this operating system on stand-alone systems, which will probably be some violation of terms of the EULA, where Microsoft needs to know everything you have on your computer and what you're doing with it.

I could make an 'all your base' reference, but as Breathed and others have noted, you can't compete with reality anymore.

Re:New OS, same old company behind it... (1)

nsebban (513339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328294)

Ok, but is that really the point of this news ?br>
Longhorn MSDN sub-section is a reliable source of informations for people that are going to develop for this platform, just as Gnome central is for people that develop for Gnome.

Observations (5, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328234)

It seems the signal to noise ratio of this discussion is terrible. People are bashing the site like there's no tomorrow, without taking into account what it's for.

This is a developer resource. Take this UI guide on the Sidebar [microsoft.com] . Excellent writing, and finally something which approaches what has made Apple keep the UI edge for all these years.

If an article was posted about the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines [gnome.org] I suspect the crowd would be singing to quite a different tune.

Where is even the slightest bit of objectivity these days?

XAML Proprietary? (1)

PSaltyDS (467134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328246)

I am not a developer, so please help me out. I am interested in this from an interoperability angle: XML was to bring open standards support to M$ documents. But, I read on /., XML is only a framework that allows proprietary schema to be used, so there is really no progress there. Now we are talking about XAML. Is this just a name for one of those proprietary schema in XML, or is it a new proprientary markup type trying to score off XML's name, or...?

Any technology distinguishable from magic is not suficiently advanced.

WVG? (2, Interesting)

HickNinja (551261) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328249)

"Avalon" offers several layers of access to graphics and rendering services. At the top layer, Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Vector Graphics (WVG) provides a number of advantages common to XML-based graphics markup. WVG is straightforward to use with the rest of the "Avalon" object model, it is readily reusable, and it is familiar to users of Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG).
Sounds like classic embrace and extend.

Security Memories? (1)

Captain Sope (718131) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328251)

Manifest files are plain XML files. When users point their browser to the specified deployment location, Longhorn automatically downloads and installs the application and its manifests on the client computer and creates a shortcut to the .deploy file. At the end of the process, users run the application by clicking on the .deploy file.
Doesn't this sound a lot like activeX's goals. Now it's just sugar-coated with XML and more proprietary BS. I can almost read the CERN advisories now!

screen shots (0)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328255)

anyone have any link to/ have screen shots of the actualy desktop environment? every shot i've seen seemed to be focused on how "Easy" it is to install. thxs.

IT'S? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7328259)



Come on, Joe, break out of the high school mold.

Who cares? (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328291)

For the first time i aint even the slightest bit interested in what they may come up with. It feels like the release party of the next generation can opener or something. They upgrade their systems in such small steps that its like watching grass grow. There will be many realeses between now and longhorn so its just not worth it to speculate. Lets wait for W2003,2003SE,2003ME first.

The mere hype is making every release an anticlimax and by now we know that what seems new and shiny is most surely the old clown with some new colors, nothing new, nothing exciting.

No C/C++ API... ?? (1)

tobe (62758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328293)

Flicking through the SDK docs it seems Windows app. developers.. hell.. maybe even the driver developers... are going to have to brush up either C# or Basic .NET.

As far as I can tell MS have tied all future app. development on Windows into proprietary languages...

Ace..

Foghorn Leghorn (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328329)

Surely I can't be the only one who keeps seeing "Foghorn Leghorn" instead of "Longhorn?"

Microsoft's Obvious Strategy (4, Interesting)

TheRealFoxFire (523782) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328331)

Microsoft knows that the delay to 2006 is unfavorable for them. First its a problem for all of the companies that bought into the subscription licensing, who are now seeing their money wasted essentially, paying MS for nothing for three more years. Second, it gives their competition nearly three years to advance before MS has an answer to any of it. Mac OS and to a lesser extent the Linux desktop will be quite different in 2006.

Knowing that, Microsoft is deliberately drumming up the hype now with an outrageously early beta, leaked screenshots, and surreptitious press releases and leaks about their upcoming features. Why? To get the current installed base excited about the next release, and to quiet any concerns they have that might make them switch in the interim. If they saw no compelling reason to stick around until 2006 they may migrate to other platforms. The leaks and beta try to give them that reason.

This just in... (0)

J01C (719557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7328339)

Longhorn blows
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