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Who Needs Radio?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the all-we-hear-is-radio-ga-ga dept.

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DragonMagic writes "MSNBC asks what many /.ers have been asking: Who needs the radio anymore? Rather, it goes on to really ask, who needs the RIAA anymore? With online music distribution sources, television, and the internet itself, how much longer will it be before the radio, and the RIAA, will be an obsolete means to promote artists?"

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fags (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332890)

fags

hmmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332892)

hmmm

tralla-LA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332893)

firstposters need radio

Well... (0, Redundant)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332895)

who needs the RIAA anymore?
Ask any filesharer and I'd imagine their answer would be "not me".

Re:Well... (1)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332951)

And ,of course, if you ask the RIAA they will tell you about starving artists and how they put food on their table.

Re:Well... (3, Funny)

pi eater (714532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332969)

IMO the RIAA should be turned into a reality tv show on which the executives slowly get voted off until none are left.

geek wear [wabshirts.com]

I believe question was misphrased (2, Insightful)

Atario (673917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333042)

Incorrect question:
With online music distribution sources, television, and the internet itself, how much longer will it be before the radio, and the RIAA, will be an obsolete means to promote artists?
Corrected question:
With online music distribution sources, television, and the internet itself, how long has it been since the radio, and the RIAA, became an obsolete means to promote artists?

What? (5, Insightful)

marshac (580242) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332904)

Why do you assume that only music is played over the radio? I listen to NPR for hours every day on my daily drive to/from work.

Re:What? (3, Funny)

public_class_name_ex (643076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332938)


But the convenience of placing a Windows XP capable computer in your glove box will bring you out of the dark ages caveman.

Music on radio is dead for me (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332942)

I get news and sports live, tunes on iPod.

oh really? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332948)

just why are you spending hours driving to and from work? do you have any idea how irresponsible that is?

Re:What? (1)

burrows (112035) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332953)

How does that change the question? Can't you theoretically get talk radio content over, say, the Internet?

Driving? (3, Insightful)

TamMan2000 (578899) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332997)

How does that change the question? Can't you theoretically get talk radio content over, say, the Internet?

While driving?

Re:Driving? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333059)

All you need is a beowulf cluster of cellphones.

Man, I can't believe I just made that joke.

Re:What? (1, Offtopic)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332957)

i agree, i couldn't live (well, i suppose i could if i had to) without "morning edition" and "all things considered". i even donated money during this pledge drive because i like their quality programming, as opposed to "donating" money to RIAA for their crappy music, by purchasing CDs.

i think one should ask "who really needs MSNBC, when we have NPR?"

Re:What? (3, Funny)

sahonen (680948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332976)

Ditto. I've found that pretty much all the music on the radio sucks and NPR is the only thing worth listening to.

Prairie Home Companion is t3h r0x0rz.

Re:What? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333005)

Ya I love multi-hour commutes.

I love rents that are so high that only rich kids who never have to work in their life can afford to live in the city but all the workers who produce the wealth those kids live off have to drive for hours to get to their job in the city.

*sigh*

Re:What? (5, Insightful)

contrabassoon (532058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333021)

Indeed. As a radio producer, I feel the real "art" in radio is well beyond just spinning tunes. KPFA, NPR BBC PRI and many other entities are actively using radio as a communications medium, rather than just a corporate jukebox. There are great shows like "this american life" which are compelling and creative. I am hopeful that more and more of this type of radio production will help keep the medium current in the years to come.

Radio has been around for 100 years. It's pretty amazing that TV, the internet, etc. haven't killed it. It's still enjoyed by hundreds of millions of people here in the US every day.

Re:What? (3, Funny)

OECD (639690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333028)

Why do you assume that only music is played over the radio? I listen to NPR...

Ditto (as it were.) I haven't listened to music in years. (Pay attention, RIAA.)

If I owned a radio station, I'd cast my lot with talk radio. It's unlikely that people will be trading Rush* MP3s any time soon.

*I was going to specify "Limbaugh", but then I realized that it's probably true either way.

Re:What? (1)

AntiPasto (168263) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333035)

Most definately... I was commuting for some time 2 hours a day total, and yeah... you get to hearing the same shit. NPR was the only thing that was fresh every time I listened. Props to: The World Cafe, This American Life, Fresh Air, Morning Edition, and All Things Considered. They need a paypal link ;p

Re:What? (1)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333037)

Maybe a better question would be... will analog radio die?

NPR is always begging for money.
Music radio is 50% commericals.

Maybe the market will soon only support fee-for-service digital radio.

I think it would suck... but it wouldn't shock me. The music nazis would just have to demand more money per song played on the radio... and the whole system would be in danger.

Davak

Re:What? (4, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333056)

I do also.
The key is how many people listen to music at home VS in there car. I bet most people listen to music in there car more hours of the day than in there homes.

What I really think people are missing is the community aspect of radio. In many small towns the local radio station plays an imporant role. They cover the local high school sports, weather, and community affairs.
They also serve an important role during emergencys.

That is one of the reasons I hate the "Clear Channel" stations. They are nothing but repeaters for the mother station. I think it is time to put more restrictions on local stations. They should have a required amount of local program content.

Re:What? (1)

FrankNputer (141316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333064)

So do I - and truth be told, there's a lot of good music that get promoted on public radio (more so than what comes from McClear Channel...).

Car-Audio (1)

elf-fire (715733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332908)

It is very usefull in the car... Until we can have WIFI on every road...

Re:Car-Audio (1)

queen of everything (695105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332949)

Who needs it? I do. 3 hours in the car every day, I would go crazy without it. Cds aren't enough.

redundancy (0)

adhesiv (524101) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332911)

it's all the same anyway. no matter where you go and what radio station you listen to...the same songs you hear on a like radio station in california will be the same songs you hear on a like station in wyoming or iowa. purely crap if you ask me.

Re:redundancy (1)

public_class_name_ex (643076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332982)


We apologize if your musical tastes don't land you in a demographic which radio advertisers care to cater too. But there's no need to be so bitter about it.

Re:redundancy (2, Informative)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333066)

Move to a college town!

I have lived in several college towns over the last few years... and those kids always put fresh interesting stuff on the air.

Yes, a lot of time it sucks...

but hey, at least it's not the same top 20 shit 24/7.

Davak

The RIAA needs radio (1)

vlag (552656) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332914)

I don't. Artists aren't helped by it (most don't get any airplay). Nobody needs it but for a few executives praying to keep their organization above water until they retire early. What BS.

NPR (0, Offtopic)

Noodles (39504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332915)

I couldn't live without NPR. I don't listen to music on the radio because it stinks, but I listent to NPR every day.

Re:NPR, or inverse (0)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333001)

I couldn't live without NPR. I don't listen to music on the radio because it stinks, but I listent to NPR every day.

I couldn't live without music. I don't listen to NPR on the radio because it stinks, but I listen to music every day.

Keep your eyes on the road (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332916)

Personally I have trouble driving and watching TV or surfing the net.

Erm... a lot of people (5, Insightful)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332918)

Anyone who doesn't have fast internet access or a television (or who doesn't want to pay for cable television).
Anyone who likes to camp and take a $5 transistor radio along, rather than lug a satellite uplink system for online-access.
Anyone who drives, and likes to have music or blather going while doing it (driving, that is).

In short, a LOT of people.

Re:Erm... a lot of people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333067)

Exactly.

If I couldn't listen to BBC Radio 4, then I'd probably end up buying a television.

NPR - the way to go (1)

Nostrada (208820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332919)

I love my dose of news in the morning - tuning into KQED/NPR is part of the communte, despite having an IPOD at hand. Radio is here to stay!

Re:NPR - the way to go (1)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332959)

Radio is here to stay!
The problem I have with radio, is it's lack of pictures. Now if we could find a way to use the audio side of radio, and somehow combine it with moving pictures, we'd be in business.
You know what they say... the pictures are always better on the TV.

Re:NPR - the way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333075)

No kidding, you can't see tits like Kelly Clarkson's on your radio. Of course I'm not sure why her tits are on the MSNBC story, but I'm glad to see them.

dont forget that (2, Insightful)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332920)

.. the radio still eclipsed the TV in terms of audience for the World Series.

Maybe 'we' dont need them, but their miniturization and tiny cost make them a difficult technology to let go of, if you look across the demographic spectrum.

To say nothing about me prefering drivers listening to the radio rather than watching TV, if they are interested in having somebody else picking the tunes ...

Just some stupid thoughts.

Dumbererererer....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332922)

Radio, who needs a radio??! Ready, Harry?
Yeah!
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Bird!
Yeah!
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Mocki ng bird don't....

etc etc

Given the current state of the mobile art... (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332923)

Maybe folks who listen to stuff besides music? Like, news? I mean, downloading current events P2P still leaves you at least a few minutes behind the "breaking events".

Damn, I can't tell if I'm being serious or sarcastic. I hate when that happens.

Re:Given the current state of the mobile art... (0)

BlueCodeWarrior (638065) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332989)

Streaming, maybe? That's the biggest thing going for radio...if I want something live, its not going to happen digitally, for now, at least... Besides, radios are a LOT cheaper than the comprable computer equipment. iPods are $299, radios are quite a bit less :-p. I don't have that kind of $ lying around.

Re:Given the current state of the mobile art... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333039)

I mean, downloading current events P2P still leaves you at least a few minutes behind the "breaking events".

I wish you could do that. I missed the last State of the Union speech. Whitehouse.gov only streams it, no download. I wanted to burn it to CD, so I could listen in my car, since my car doens't have internet access. So I tried Kaaza, no luck. This was days after the speech. Stupid technophobic whitehouse.

Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332924)

Not very soon. People said television would kill radio. Radio's supposed to die off now? Get real.

who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332925)

and who really cares...

Streaming audio in my car (5, Funny)

Damiano (113039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332926)

The problem is that the 25 mile long ethernet cable running to my car gets tangled too easy.

Radio will always be around... (1)

fbg111 (529550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332931)

albeit perhaps in a different form. People will listen to it for live news and talk shows, if not for music anymore. RIAA on the other hand...

but (-1)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332932)

where else can I get my mindless canned DJ dribble of unfunny jokes, annoying personalities, and spoon fed hip hop crap? Don't take away radio or I'll be forced to find other means of entertainment like getting ass raped by pigeons.

I love radio (3, Insightful)

matt_morgan (220418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332933)

Or, to be more specific, I love a few radio stations. WFMU (wfmu.org; 91.1 in the NYC/NJ area), KFJC, a few other great stations. The radio we don't need is all the monopolized Clear Channel stations. We all know they suck. But great, personal, free-form radio is still out there, and with web streaming is thankfully more available than ever. Maybe I'm crazy, but I like to be surprised by what I like once in a while. Without WFMU, I'd be listening to the same stuff over and over. If you're tired of radio, you're listening to the wrong stations.

wfmu rocks.... (1)

freejamesbrown (566022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333014)

homogenized monoculture sucks.
m.

ps mod parent up

Arguably?!? (1)

Polly_was_a_cracker (718522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332937)

"..Carson Daly is arguably the most important deejay (vee-jay?) around -- is radio even relevant anymore?"

Your god damn right arguably!!!

Cars? (2, Insightful)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332939)

I listen to the radio all the time in the car whilst driving. Its a much safer option than tape, CD or MP3. Less fiddling about changing song and the like. I just poke a button and I've changed channel. Radio's 'killer app' has always been being able to listen to music in the car for me. Better than listening to people honk at me when I cut them up at junctions anyway.

Is it just me ... (4, Insightful)

dabooda (412228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332943)

... or did everyone in the world become a computer user/music downloader over night?

Not everyone has a PC and not everyone get's their taste of new music from the interent.

In fact I would say that most people hear music on the radio then either buy the CD or download the mp3.

I doubt that services iTunes will make radio stations disappear ...

Whoever takes the RIAA's place (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332945)

To assume that the RIAA won't continue simply because their current medium is obsolete is the height of idiocy. It is immediately obvious that iTMS and the like should at least keep them alive.

The promotional aspect of the RIAA will never go away. The manufacturing and distribution portion of their job will, for sure, though. As the RIAA has the most experience in promoting artists (as well as the most money and connections), they will likely continue to be the dominant players on that stage for the foreseeable future.

Alot of people... (1)

fetus (322414) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332946)

I believe anyone that drives a car may fancy a radio...

In transit (1)

nuggz (69912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332972)

Anyone moving probaly wants radio.
Broadcast is reasonably efficient, particularly when you get many listeners.

I like my car radio. Although in many areas the radio stations REALLY suck.

Who needs... (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332952)

who needs the RIAA anymore?

Well, for starters, all those court clerks signing off on all those subpoenas. It's the first time they've ever gotten to play judge.

Re:Who needs... (1)

cloudship_tacitus (709780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333027)

actually, court clerks are constantly playing judge. it might shock you to see how little 'judging' judges do outside of trials.

Cars? (1)

theonetruekeebler (60888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332954)

As soon as cars are obsolete, radio will be obsolete. I still listen to the news, weather, and traffic reports, right? I still like listening to something while my eyes are occupied.

My brother has an MP3 player in his car, and can use one disk per week without repeating a single track. So for road trips, yah---screw it. But a ball game on a summer night, a college football game, NPR's Morning Edition, I gotta have radio.

Gah (1)

SargeZT (609463) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332955)

No one "Needs" the Radio anymore. Nor does anyone "Need" TV anymore. No one "Needs" the computer! Although things become obsolete, does that mean it's a death sentence for that platform? Record Players date back to Thomas Edison, yet they are still in widespread use, despite considerably more advanced mediums. Tape Backups are obsolete, but they still the #1 backup solution. And what about TV? We certainly have the capabilities and motives to make video a computer only affair. Why isn't it already so? No, we don't need radio. The reason it's still around is convenience, and nostalgia.

What about the other people in the world (1)

raarky (653241) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332960)

Radio will be around for a while. It's a great communication medium. Especially for 3rd world countries. Also what about the people that don't sit at their desk? Labourers and the like get through the day with the radio. Their management staff would seriously object to having a tv or other expensive and distracting piece of equiptment nearby. Besides, with all the crap that's on tv, radio seems to be the last haven of decency left in the world

npr (3, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332961)

Maybe I just starting to get old, but NPR is a good way to stay abreast of the latest news during my daily commute and provides some sanity, compared to TV news stations like FoxNews. As for commercial radio, besides to occasional classic rock channel, I've found that local college radio has the best offerings.

I like radio. (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332963)

Independent stations still exist. When I lived in Chicago I listened to WXRT. In Boston, I listened to WXRV. In NYC there is always WBAI. In fact, there are a small handful of radio stations that aren't owned by the ClearChannel monopoly. These stations play what they want to play. They aren't beholden to the RIAA and they aren't forced to play what the company tells them to play. I like radio. I'd much rather listen to a good radio program than veg out on TV. I can listen to the radio and work on my computer at the same time without the visual distraction of television.

Tom Petty hit the nail on the head with his song "The Last DJ" --

Well you can't turn him into a company man
You can't turn him into a whore
And the boys upstairs just don't understand anymore
Well the top brass don't like him talking so much,
And he won't play what they say to play
And he don't want to change what don't need to change

There goes the last DJ
Who plays what he wants to play
And says what he wants to say, hey hey hey...

And there goes your freedom of choice
There goes the last human voice
There goes the last DJ

What about Lex & Terry... (1)

whitefox (16740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332967)

Or other original programming (e.g. NPR, etc.)? I listen to Lex & Terry [lexandterry.com] every morning, in the bathroom and on the way to work. Audio streaming is not going to easily fix the bathroom situation, much less be viable in my car. That's why I need radio.

Internet broadcast (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332968)

Well, I have been hearing most of the new music I am interested in via Internet broadcasting via iTunes. Between that and listening to NPR, the radio is almost useless for me now.

Interestingly, for those users of OS X, there is also a new shareware release of a very promising looking Internet broadcast application that easily shares your iTunes library. Check it out here [rogueamoeba.com] . It's called Nicecast.

Re:Internet broadcast (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333018)

Bah, I should have said "except for NPR", the radio is almost useless for me now.

In Other News... (0, Offtopic)

kc0dxh (115594) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332975)

kc0dxh is asking what /.ers have been asking -
who needs Michael anymore? With bloggs as big as they are, why not just post random entries from member blogs?

music distrobution (1)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332979)


How are artists going to become popular now? Will giant rock concerts become a thing of the past because no one group will have such a large listening base?

Radio Still Relevant (1)

Sage Gaspar (688563) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332980)

As a college radio DJ and news director, I think radio still has a very valid place. It's a way to gain exposure to new music (again, talking independent stations), expose others to your kind of music, hear the thoughts of others on the air, and it has a human component that can't be simulated with a playlist.

Radio does not require changing a CD while driving, booting up your computer, or buying any expensive equipment. All you need is a $20 stereo.

I think what we will see is a movement towards more non-traditional radio distribution methods. For example, more satellite and Internet stations that can be tuned into easily with a cheap device. Then you'll be able to listen to the station of your choice on-demand without worrying about leaving the signal range or going behind a hill.

Radio will be around for a long time (2, Insightful)

Benm78 (646948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332987)

Radio will not be silenced for a long time, I think.

The technology has been around for a very long time, and broadcast radio will probably outlive us all.

Using relatively simple and affordable technology, radio is a great medium to broadcast a message to a big audience. Even when the power goes out, all networks are fried and most infrastructure desroyed, radio is there. And its there as an important means for any government to communicate in such situation. If we'd loose the architecture, we might loose a medium that can save many lives when needed.

And yes, i mean broadcast radio there, since it is vital that recievers are common among the population.

However, radio's function in promoting music will probably diminish over the next decade(s), and largely be replaced by streaming etc.

reliability (2, Informative)

nil5 (538942) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332991)

at least the spammers of radio (ie legitimate companies, usually) don't launch DDOS attacks on those who wish to ignore them. Radio is regulated and that means it has somewhat better quality control.

Considering how easy it is for malicious attackers to bring down networks through DDOS, etc. it is useful to have a backup means for communications. And the electromagnetic spectrum is pretty much guaranteed to exist 8) Of course, you can jam that, too, but a script kiddy or spammer doesn't usually have such equipment.

Re:reliability, usually usually... (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333073)

And the electromagnetic spectrum is pretty much guaranteed to exist 8)

Barring that X17 Solar Ejection [slashdot.org] rushing down on us even now.

Who needs radio? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7332996)

Mr Tickles does.

How else is he gonna work those hams?

Were the RIAA ever a "good" means to promote music (1)

Maestro4k (707634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7332998)

Interesting article, but I think it's clear to most anyone that the RIAA was never there to promote musicians, or even music. They simply exist to help pad the pockets of the music industry heads, and to lobby, lobby, lobby! I doubt you'd find a single musician that'd disagree.

As far as Radio being unimportant in promoting musicians, that's been that way for some time. Once radio stations consolidated heavily, and playlists became the same pretty much nationwide, all radio became was one large commercial for the artists the music studio honchos thought would bring them the biggest checks. When's the last time you heard anything decent on a radio station besides a public radio one?

Bottom line, commercial radio and the RIAA are, and have been obsolete, for some time, but they're (the RIAA especially) not about to go down without a fight. Let's just hope they don't manage to take out commercial music in all forms with them. Someone will find the way to make music both accessible and profitable for artists and the company(ies) promoting them in the future, but I somehow doubt it'll be any of the current big music studios out there now, and definitely not all the radio stations owned by that one big group (can't remember their name offhand).

Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333002)

I need it, I think anyone who drives needs it. I want LOCAL information, not some XM station that doesn't even know where I live. I luckily have two great stations close by that I listen to daily. One is a college radio station from the University of TN, the other is a fiercely independent and non commercial purveyor of the best in alt-country, folk, blues, celtic, and bluegrass. If you like that sort of thing, check them out at WDVX [wdvx.com] . I could never purchase or download all of the great material they play, they are not replaceable.

Without Radio (2, Interesting)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333003)

Where are you going to hear a band for the first time? Are you going to trust all of the users on the P2P networks in that these "new artists" (filename renamed) are new artists, and even if they are legitamite new artists, are you going to like the style, genre of music? Radio stations are there to sift out a lot of this for you. Yes, Infinity owns most of them, and yes they play a lot of things per request of the record labels, but there are lots of legitamate radio stations that are free to play anything and everything (of course in the genre of the station).

You can't really think that WE will do it on our own. I personally don't have that kind of time nor the will to search for good music on my own. There is just too much out there. I'd have to go to every local bar here in NYC to see even 1% of them, and then what?

Getting rid of radio is stupid. I see no real reason to get rid of it. I do see a reason to make it less monopolistic and let the smaller stations take control of themselves, but I see NO good reason to get rid of them.

I have used internet radio much (1)

AchmedHabib (696882) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333006)

since I have a Audiotron and most, if not all, local radio stations are on the web. So instead of getting a radio for my livingroom, I got the Audiotron. And I must say that you really learn about the quality(or lack of) your internet provider when using it. Very annoiying to have just a 30 sec drop every hour, which it turned out that I had.
Also during the last power black-out, I found my old battery powered radio(and imagine, the battery worked) and I was nice to hear what was going on. My first thought when it went black was to turn on the tv and see what was going on. 8-) The cell phone network I was on died after 5 hours. and so the old radio was the only way for me to know what was going on. I did find one cellphone connection working when going to the top of the building, I could browse the news sites using GPRS and Opera on my Nokia.
But still, the radio still was the only reliable/proper functionen source of information.

Radio (3, Interesting)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333007)

Radio will be used for a long long time to come.

Ever try to watch TV without using your eyes? It is a visual medium. Most TV shows are unexciting and moronic without the visuals. Try this the next time you watch tv, tape your eyes shut, and just listen. How long before you are bored.

Radio, requires more imagination, more intellegence, and is better stimulation for the brain. Leftwingers have NPR, Rightwingers have Rush (well not at the moment).

Try making sense of beer commercials while blind. "And twins!". Lame. And don't get me started on Porn. What is the point of THAT if you are blind?

You see TV requires more attention while using less brain. Radio requires LESS attention while using MORE brain. Ever try taking apart an engine while watching TV?

I think you get the picture.

Regional success (2, Interesting)

AntiPasto (168263) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333008)

Spoke with a guy from a local band The Sun who recently got signed to Warner Brothers... I gave him the usual speil about them being glorified banks, and he basically said "well, our drummer had a baby... we kinda needed the money..."

We went on to discuss, however, that *regional* bands with not much beyond their own PR machine can and do acheive success in a DIY way. The local music scene of Columbus, OH, where I'm from for instance, is very encouraging.

A local band called Wigglepussy, Indiana is having so much success behind thier own marketing, that it spawned somewhat of a marketing-firm in and of itself.

I think this is what we need to... music from us, and for us, from where we are.

Well on our way. (1)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333011)

The only thing artists still need is someone to produce their music; that is record it, mix it, and edit it. And even those things are slipping from the big boys with help from the personal computer.

After artists can independantly make a quality product, they will be able to distribute it as they please, to the benefit of both fans and the artists (who will make a considerably higher percentage).

The last stage will be slow and painful, as it always is. And that is overcoming the entrenchment of large corporations. People already listen to music from RIAA labels, and that drives many artists to those labels. That is a recursive cycle held up only by itself. Once there's a crack in the dam, it will all fall to pieces. But making that first crack is harder than it sounds.

Instead of the RIAA, there will be something else (1)

Brahmastra (685988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333012)

Lets assume radio is dead and artists can distribute their own songs and don't need the RIAA anymore. They will still need help with a server that hosts the songs, encoders to digitize the songs, advertising agents to promote concerts, etc. Now all that may become enough overhead where they make a deal with some large company to do all that for them in return for a cut of the revenue made from the song... and woops there's another RIAA equivalent company that controls the artists. The reality of today is you cannot get rid of large corporations from your life. All you can do is regulate them

Television as a medium (1)

klueless (695037) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333016)

I agree with what this article has to say, that television has become the medium of choice for new "artists." These artists are of course less artistic and more a product of the industry, which makes TV perfect for them. The new pop stars are just shooting all the angles with this television thing, radio will always have its place for new, real artists, not to mention DJ's and people who enjoy classic hits.

Your WRONG and RIGHT.... (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333020)

No one NEEDS radio, but lets face, although MP3 players and CD/DVDs are great and work perfect in both cars, office, and home use how would you be exposed to NEW or Indepedant music without the radio?

Sure you could type in random names in kazaa and see what comes up, but lets face it your listenign to the music you are right now because of
1) A friend told you
2) You heard a song on the radio and dloaded it from kazaa
3) You heard a song on MTV and dloaded it on kazaa

So if you didn't have radio you would be left with MTV and VH1 telling you what songs are cool (SCARY considering I just saw a new Madonna/Britney video that sounded and looked HORRIBLE)

Getting back to my original point is that you need Radio to be able to find new music to listen too, unless you love everything you hear on MTV and VH1

What a question!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333029)

This article and its headline question demonstrates an all new high in the level of ignorance on Slashdot.

Are you intentionally posting flamebait or are really that fucking stupid?

RIAA == Collusion (2, Interesting)

JavaSavant (579820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333034)

The dirty word that I never hear mentioned about the RIAA is that they are really no more than a bunch of record exec goons that are guilty of collusion. They've been essentially dubbed collusive as a result of losing that price fixing suit a year or so ago. They control prices, product, and are given the free reign to block competition. They are really no different from OPEC or DeBeers.

Who needs Oil when we have (someday) hydrogen fuel cells? No one, as long as OPEC is around. Diamonds are incredibly common gemstones, but they are the most expensive, because the product is under the complete control of one group of profiteers. The only difference between deBeers, OPEC, and the RIAA is that for some reason, the RIAA is the only one of those groups that is allowed to exist within the geopolitical boundaries of the United States. OPEC and DeBeers theoretically would have never been allowed to survive in the U.S. in the past. (We can also surely group the MPAA into this group, and their new ban of screeners is further proof of collusion used to kill competition.)

So why do we need RIAA?

Because they say we do.

Independent radio can still be good (3, Interesting)

LucasMedaffy (598394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333036)

Almost every university campus has an independent radio station where almost anybody can get airtime for a few hours, and say/play what they want. I know that very few people tune in, but I really enjoy it. You get a very eclectic collection of music, and usually some "interesting" individuals. I don't think radio will ever die, even the commercial stations, mostly due to car drivers and the ability to hear music that you didn't have to actively search out, even if the music is only being played because RIAA lined that radio station's coffers.

Until they... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333038)

Until they can find a good way of listening to music on the road then radio will always exist,

Most people love listening to the radio because it's very diverse,

You know you've got everything from Talk back to rock n roll,

As much as talk back radio generally isn't my thing, it does play a large part in the radio scene

Besides "everybody" knows the RIAA's just a joke. A big stoopid joke.

better question (1)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333043)

Who needs MSNBC anymore?

Do they ever provide any first-breaking news, unique insight, or ask questions what seem anything more than a cheap ploy for mindless debate?

radio (1)

jest3r (458429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333045)

I listen to the radio for a couple hours each morning in a semi-state of sleep .. half dreaming about what I am listening to .. thinking about how much longer I should stay in bed ..

In a state of emergency (ie. blackout) I prefer the radio over television. I also like listening to the top 100 albums of all time every labour day weekend.

So I don't think radio is going anywhere anytime soon.

Death of radio actually BAD for music? (1)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333047)

One thing about the radio (as far as music playing) is that it does introduce you to songs that you might not hear otherwise. If people are free to pick the music, then it follows that it would be harder to get exposed to different bands, etc. Right now you turn the radio on and you get fed, they might play a band you never heard of, and wouldn't ordinarily listen to. As online music catches on, one is dependant on word of mouth (via most frequently downloaded lists, etc), which is also true today, but you don't get that "incidental" exposure as you might. It will be interesting to see if this phenomenon is actually good or bad overall for the industry (i.e. musicians, not the RIAA).

Look who's asking the question - MSNBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333048)

MS is going to start selling music players [yahoo.com] and has it's own distribution system that competes with the RIAA [windowsmedia.com] .

NBC is using Fox's success with a music program to bolster the relevance of TV (and thereby its own relevance [nbc.com] ).

Gotta love "news" from broadly diverse companies with vested interests. What next, the Philip Moris poll: Do kids prefer menthol or non-menthol? (great, because we offer both!)

I don't (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333049)

I haven't listened to comemrcial radio on any sort of regular basis in at least 6 years. I just got sick of hearing the same 10 songs over and over again at the same time everyday. Granted, the local university stations like CKLN had great non-repeating shows, but the timeslots aren't always convenient.

And I still find plenty of new music to buy at the stores these days, and not from being exposed to it any P2P network. I'm just as picky as ever! :)

Radio is still important. (1)

InfiL00p (99685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333053)

Radio is still a relevant technology, and will probably remain relevant for a long period of time. This is a simplistic article, and it talks about music and image being inseperatable, and goes on about the Music Industry only. It assumes that the only purpose of the radio is to play records, and that information can't be put on the radio. (Of course, it's written by MSNBC, so what do you expect).

Community Radio, on the other hand, is extremely important, since it serves to tie the community together and to play music and ideas not normally heard by the mainstream media. Similarly Campus-based Community Radio stations in Canada also live by this mandate. (College Stations to the US are also like this to a much, MUCH lesser degree.)

What's really interesting is what CMJ [cmj.com] was going on about for their yearly conference about there being a job in "the business" when you graduate at their yearly conference for Music Directors at Campus station. It seems that the only thing that will die with radio is the radio promoters, since stations will just use file sharing to get the tracks they need anyway, top 40 or not, since they already pay the RIAA their tax.

payola versus piracy (2, Interesting)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333054)

it kind of makes me wonder at what point the "cost of illegal downloads" actually approaches the cost of payola for radio play (or "distributors" that work as agents).

imagine, payola ends, and suddenly certain songs flood the p2p networks, or "download centers".

Radio is very useful.... (1)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333055)

When your city is burning and you want news, it is much more up-to-date and more widespread than an internet site......

A lot of people... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7333058)


You seem to think everybody is a iPod-toting, wifi-enabled slashdot geek....

I listen to the radio. NPR and talk mostly, but radio signals nonetheless. And I am as tech-savvy as anybody else (well, probably not, but you get the point) and still rely on a century-old technology everyday...

As for the rest of the world, well, my Mom doesn't even know what the Internet is, so don't bother telling her about file-sharing! And her TV is used to watch news and sitcoms, so she too NEEDS the radio. Like many others in this world!

They have music on radio? (1)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333065)

I actually listen to the AM stations, couldn't care less about FM. There are many interesting shows and discussions and I can listen while I'm working, unlike TV.

Decline of radio (2, Insightful)

ChuckDivine (221595) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333068)

My musical tastes tend toward classical, jazz, some older rock, some avant garde, some weird stuff.

How do I learn about new music? From friends, live concerts and now free sampler CDs at places like Borders. Yes, I'm also now trying the Internet occasionally -- to satisfy my curiosity and broaden my horizons.

I make sufficient money to purchase CDs from people I really like. For instance, paying $15 or more for a CD at Maryland's Renfest is reasonable to me. Of course, I've heard the artists and know I'll like their work. It also helps to know the money is going to the artists, not some huge RIAA member.

There's another reason I'm listening to less radio that wasn't mentioned in the article. Radio quality is declining. Here's the current playlist for WGMS (a Washington, DC classical station):

5:03 pm Mozart: Symphony #41 "Jupiter": I

5:12 pm Schubert: Impromptu in A-flat Major (Op. 90 #4)

Mozart's Jupiter symphony is more than 9 minutes long. WGMS now seems to be going in much more for short selections than full works -- especially at drive time. I'd rather stick with my CD player. No, I don't get exposed to new music (precious little of that on any radio station around here). But I also don't get pestered with commercials.

Bingo! (1)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333070)

Now you understand RIAA's War on P2P? It's not about piracy, it's about control of the industry.

Proletariat of the world, unite to kill RIAA

The radio is free for the listener (1)

jkitchel (615599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333071)


and will be around as long as that is the case.

More than meets the eye. (1)

i_r_sensitive (697893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7333076)

Radio, Sat Radio, iTunes, Napster2 Et. Al. are enforceable means for the recording industry to attain distribution.

Portable media are demonstrably unenforceable anymore. Or more correctly, the ease with which abuses can happen has risen sufficiently to make enforceability questionable.

Given RIAA isn't having a whole lot of success with it's current measures, and if they feel they are losing that much revenue, I would tend to think the smart business move is away from portable media to more enforceable paradigms.

If you think they are profiteering mercenaries now, just wait, if they have to make that kind of shift, it's gonna cost. Who do you think is going to end up footing the bill?

Hey folks, they can use technology to meet their goals too...

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