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Should Hackers Get Their Own Logo?

simoniker posted about 11 years ago | from the indicate-on-your-fingers dept.

GNU is Not Unix 965

Ridgelift writes "Eric S. Raymond is proposing a new logo for Hackerdom. 'The Linux folks have their penguin and the BSDers their demon. Perl's got a camel, FSF fans have their gnu and OSI's got an open-source logo. What we haven't had, historically, is an emblem that represents the entire hacker community of which all these groups are parts. This is a proposal that we adopt one - the glider pattern from the Game of Life.'"

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HEY ASSCLOWNS: (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | about 11 years ago | (#7342669)

Three cheers for SCO, Microsoft, the RIAA and the MPAA (and a shout out to all those awesome programmers in India!) I'd also like to wish the US Patent office well. Thumbs up to the DMCA too!

As for Slashdot, you can fuck off and die.

GNAA - 0 to hello.jpg in 4.6 seconds! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342670)

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My associates have recently made claim to computer softwares worth an estimated $1 billion U.S. dollars. I am writing to you in confidence because we urgently require your assistance to obtain these funds.

In the early 1970s the American Telephone and Telegraph corporation developed at great expense the computer operating system software known as UNIX. Unfortunately the laws of my country prohibited them from selling these softwares and so their valuable source codes remained privately held. Under a special arrangement some programmers from the California University of Berkeley did add more codes to this operating system, increasing its value, but not in any way to dilute or disparage our full and rightful ownership of these codes, despite any agreement between American Telephone and Telegraph and the California University of Berkeley, which agreement we deny and disavow.

In the year 1984 a change of regime in my country allowed the American Telephone and Telegraph corporation to make profits from these softwares. In the year 1990 ownership of these softwares was transferred to the corporation UNIX System Laboratories. In the year 1993 this corporation was sold to the corporation Novell. In the year 1994 some employees of Novell formed the corporation Caldera Systems International, which began to distribute an upstart operating system known as Linux. In the year 1995 Novell sold the UNIX software codes to SCO. In the year 2001 occurred a separation of SCO, and the SCO brand name and UNIX codes were acquired by the Caldera Systems International, and in the following year the Caldera Systems International was renamed SCO Group, of which i currently serve as chief executive officer.

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I thought they already had one.... (3, Funny)

zentigger (203922) | about 11 years ago | (#7342674)

H4x0r3z

As message to people who moderated this (-1)

Big Dogs Cock (539391) | about 11 years ago | (#7342764)

Mod points are a valuable commodity. You have just wasted some moderating a useless unfunny piece of shit up to +2 funny. I hope you're proud

Re:I thought they already had one.... (1, Insightful)

Carnildo (712617) | about 11 years ago | (#7342830)

That's the cracker logo. We hackers need something more dignified.

Re:I thought they already had one.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342841)

No, no... this [slashdot.org] is it.

Interesting (5, Interesting)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 11 years ago | (#7342678)

I like it.

I figure a lot of people are going to say something along the lines of "to hell with this, we don't ALL need a logo", but IMHO it's just a cool little thing that could easily be embedded (or hidden) in things like logos or programs (being just a 9x9 matrix).

Though I think it would probably be best and easiest represented as pixels rather than circles on a grid.

Re:Interesting (1)

IdleTime (561841) | about 11 years ago | (#7342765)

One word: Ugly!

Re:Interesting (1)

forand (530402) | about 11 years ago | (#7342860)

I think you mean 3x3 matrix. You did RTA didn't you?!

Non-conformists (4, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 11 years ago | (#7342682)

You want a group that has been, historically, non-conformists to agree on something so singular as a logo?

Here's a cup, there's the hoover dam. You'll have better luck.

btw, I think it's more fitting that hackers do not have a logo, personally.

Re:Non-conformists (5, Funny)

Felonius Thunk (168604) | about 11 years ago | (#7342716)

Remember that you're unique, just like everybody else.

Re:Non-conformists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342791)

You're not your fuckin khakis.

Re:Non-conformists (1, Flamebait)

ConsumedByTV (243497) | about 11 years ago | (#7342819)

With such unique retorts like that, you clearly aren't ;-p

Re:Non-conformists (0)

e.colli (630500) | about 11 years ago | (#7342844)

And who is really an hacker? It will be very misused including by crackers, lammers & co.

Do it then. (0)

spudchucker (680073) | about 11 years ago | (#7342685)

If you want one, just make it. Another dumb topic

Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342686)

I think the Borg Bill Gates is a better choice honestly...

It's my job to think of these things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342687)

It's my job to think of these things...

Nice to see he is so full of himself

how about a secret handshake instead? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342689)

0) why the heck does a disparate group of computer enthusiasts (excuse me, hackers) need any logo
at all? so we can "recognize each other"? I don't get it. seems creepy.

1) it needs color

2) doesn't need the grid lines, looks too much like tic-tac-toe. keep just the
dots.

3) how can it not be copyrighted or trademarked? if it's really in the public
domain, how can ESR assert that hackers (excuse me, crackers) and
advertisers aren't supposed to use it?

4) does anybody really care what ESR thinks any more?

blather. what an idiot. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342695)

if i had read this yesterday, i would have
given his latest book a bad review "on points".

what an ignorant sod.

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Um... (4, Funny)

r_glen (679664) | about 11 years ago | (#7342704)

In the chance that ten years from now hackers everywhere will refer to this slashdot article as the origin of their symbol, I just wanted to post in it.

...but I kinda doubt it.

esr again? Oh no (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342705)

Hands up everyone who thinks esr is getting ridiculous.

Maybe all the drone "hackers" should adopt a picture of a clown as a logo. Or a picture of esr... No wait, that's the same thing.

News Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342708)

Who the fuck cares

Bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342709)

It has no character.

The game of life and hacking today have hardly anything in common. Might as well be a punchcard.

Re:Bleh (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | about 11 years ago | (#7342855)

ya, I'm a graphic designer... and I agree. That logo's weak.

Not sure a hacker symbol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342710)

But this [fathom.org] would work well for quite a few slashdot posters.

Re:Not sure a hacker symbol (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342803)

You'll forgive us for having our fingers ready to pounce on alt+f4.

lame, but ok... (1)

sinucus (85222) | about 11 years ago | (#7342711)

I don't see the reason why you need one, as even the term "hacker" has been so badly butchered. But why not just a skull and crossbone? Maybe a nuke exploding behind a windows logo. But wait, then they would be in violation of IP, guess we'll have to sue those pesky hackers.

Er... (0, Troll)

Chromal (56550) | about 11 years ago | (#7342713)

It's cool and all, but sort of obscure. I understand hackers were really into it in the 70s, but how do you anthropomorphize a bunch of dots? Maybe that's a statement about the hacker persona, though... ^_^

I'd prefer (4, Funny)

HBI (604924) | about 11 years ago | (#7342714)

...a snatch shot with a bottle of beer embedded inside.

Woops, wrong group, sorry.

Re:I'd prefer (1)

mbourgon (186257) | about 11 years ago | (#7342868)

Sure, I'll adopt it... but you have to post a link to a picture.

I've Got One (1)

Rod76 (705840) | about 11 years ago | (#7342715)

A Black and White stripped guy with a Ball and Chain attached....

The emblem of emptiness... (0)

anaphora (680342) | about 11 years ago | (#7342717)

I have an emblem. I leave it on every system. It's that eerie feeling you get when you know someone's been in your room, but you can't pinpoint it. Something's not right. Something's changed. My emblem is on your walls, on your bed, on your floor. You can't see it, but it's still there. No amount of searching will lead to you finding my emblem, nor will any amount of searching lead you to believe there was no emblem. So you search, you search, and you search. My emblem is that of a computer so weary from searches that it no longer processes. That is my emblem. That is how you'll know I've been lurking.

Pointing down? (4, Insightful)

chroma (33185) | about 11 years ago | (#7342718)

That glider is pointing downward and will eventually crawl off the bottom right corner of the screen.

The glider should be going up, to symbolize progress.

Re:Pointing down? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 11 years ago | (#7342769)

That's irrellevant. In conway's life, the "playfield" supposedly stretches forever in all directions.

seems like more self righteousness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342721)

so let me guess. he gives it to himself first.

blerch (0, Troll)

Bender_ (179208) | about 11 years ago | (#7342723)

... Just let the madman talk ...

Dumb idea.. (0)

EggMan2000 (308859) | about 11 years ago | (#7342725)

I got to say, that's pretty dumb. I don't like it one bit at all. I have never heard of the Game of Life, nor would that image apply to me, whether or not it first appeared in Scientific American before I was born.

I propose the following: NetHack Logo [sourceforge.net]

.........
..@d.
.........

It's ASCII and easy.

Re:Dumb idea.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342771)

I don't like it one bit at all. I have never heard of the Game of Life, nor would that image apply to me, whether or not it first appeared in Scientific American before I was born.

Sounds like it doesn't apply to you because you're not a hacker, and therefore should have no say in this.

Re:Dumb idea.. (1)

jumpingfred (244629) | about 11 years ago | (#7342817)

You are not a hacker if you have not heard of the game of life.

Re:Dumb idea.. (1)

EggMan2000 (308859) | about 11 years ago | (#7342867)

Hmm.. I guess your right. And all this time...

Oh well, I guess it's time to find another hobby.

Re:Dumb idea.. (4, Insightful)

KillerHamster (645942) | about 11 years ago | (#7342862)

You've never heard of the Game of Life? You're right then, a Hacker Emblem doesn't apply to you.

Re:Dumb idea.. (1)

cmacb (547347) | about 11 years ago | (#7342865)

I think the nethack logo is too complex. Go compare with logos for corporations and other groups, they are universally very simple graphics that can be recognized from across the room.

Sorry that you missed the game of life, but for many of us it represents the first really interesting program we wrote when we were getting started. It was the subject of SA articles for years after its introduction.

hackers, indeed (5, Funny)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | about 11 years ago | (#7342728)

From the page: "Here is a snippet of XHTML you can paste into a page.

<a href='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/'>
<img src='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png' ></a>"

Note that this isn't valid XHTML.

Hacker Logo (1)

mschaffer (97223) | about 11 years ago | (#7342729)

How about this:
A cowboy hat that is half black and half white.

They can surely do better than that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342730)

I guess it all depends on which definition you are going by too.

Why would some dots would be a symbol for hackers?

Are refering to people who just spend a lot time programming or doing other non-illegal type of things with computers or are you talking about people who have been convicted or likely will be convicted of computer crimes?

New logo proposition (1)

r_glen (679664) | about 11 years ago | (#7342731)

Wouldn't this be better served as a slashdot poll?

Help the lawmakers (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342732)

Seeing as how certain people within government would like us all branded, all this seems to acheive is to further that goal for them.

While we're at it... (1)

HungWeiLo (250320) | about 11 years ago | (#7342733)

While we're at it, how about a eye-patched Johnny Depp logo for any news related to RIAA, CD-R's, or DVD encryption? Or an icon for political matters with a Pinochio nose piercing through the US Constitution parchment?

-1, Troll; (5, Insightful)

mookie-blaylock (522933) | about 11 years ago | (#7342734)

This seems kind of ridiculous and pointless. Sure, it's an interesting idea, but it seems like a kind of needless branding of an identity/concept. Plus, you'll see all the least qualified latching onto it first, to prove that they're so plugged in to the culture.

And then in three months, it'll show up on peoples' resumes. And business cards. And we'll all die a little bit.

Speaking of which, time to update my resume, this may be the key to getting my hyper-1337 job.

Why this one? (4, Insightful)

Viking Coder (102287) | about 11 years ago | (#7342735)

Look, there are 8 gliders like this - 4 directions, and 2 states, if I remember right.

Why on earth did he pick one that goes DOWN?

Why not pick one that goes up and right?

Crackers should have one that goes DOWN.

Re:Why this one? (4, Funny)

flynt (248848) | about 11 years ago | (#7342834)

Why on earth did he pick one that goes DOWN? Why not pick one that goes up and right?

I think it might symbolize a flaccid penis since according to his FAQ, you aren't to think about sex if you are a hacker.

Because... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342861)

Hackers long to have something go down on them and this it there best chance? :)

How can it be ANYTHING but this? (1)

adambehnke (719862) | about 11 years ago | (#7342736)

Since, as we all know, hackers are all computer invading, bandwidth stealing, dmca violating, evil geeks that live in their mother's basement it has to be this:

Hacker's Logo [blackhat.com]

Right?

It has to be the Black Hat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342781)

Anything else is fucking lame.

Spelling 101 (4, Informative)

MavEtJu (241979) | about 11 years ago | (#7342742)

and the BSDers their demon.

That's a daemon for them.

The BSD Daemon [freebsd.org]
Daemon not demon [erenkrantz.com]

Well, why not? (0, Troll)

Big Mark (575945) | about 11 years ago | (#7342743)

Teach me how to troll, fucknuts.

Rule 30 (4, Interesting)

sleepingsquirrel (587025) | about 11 years ago | (#7342744)

I personally think rule 30 [wolfram.com] would be a better logo, but may we should pick something from the Game of Real Life [gameofreallife.com] .

Why don't we carve (4, Funny)

duffbeer703 (177751) | about 11 years ago | (#7342745)

A giant statue of Mr. Eric Raymond out of Mt. Hood or something. It seems like this man has an insatiable ego that cannot be fulfilled.

A Permanently Flaccid, Short Cock (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342746)

nuff said

A better idea for a logo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342752)

What does everyone think of this logo [198.247.175.96] as an emblem for the hacker community? I think it's much more universally understood, much more eye-popping, and just an all-around better choice. I'll be curious about your suggestions.

Re:A better idea for a logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342772)

Excellent choice

Re:A better idea for a logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342796)

"popping" is right! yee haa!!

but a little too explicit. I propose a large solid black disk .. when someone asks, what does that it mean? tell them "it is all, and it is none. it is goatse" and speak no more of it.

Re:A better idea for a logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342859)

There is no goatse.

http://www.there-is-no-spoon.net/

IAWTP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342811)

I agree with this post.

No logo (4, Insightful)

dcobbler (553566) | about 11 years ago | (#7342753)

Call me old school, (okay, a lot of you will call much nastier things than that) but I just don't like the idea of another logo. Notice that on Raymond's little proposal page there almost as much space devoted to who should *not* use that logo than to what the logo is actually supposed to represent. This starts to make me feel that the purpose is to draw lines on the ground and say "you can come in but you "others" have to stay out".

Cheers, Dcobbler.

Just for that comment... (5, Funny)

Ignominious Poltroon (654513) | about 11 years ago | (#7342852)

... you can't use the icon.

Simple but niice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342760)

Simple, but very nice! But will SCO or Microsoft sue? Who cares... we will just ship it off shore when it gets to legally tangled.

Long live the dots!

MS Hacker logo (3, Funny)

baggins2002 (654972) | about 11 years ago | (#7342766)

Those of us that work on MS Windows would like something depicting lemmings going off a cliff or maybe lemmings landing head first on the rocks below.

That's really crap... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342767)

I can get you in checkmate in one move - not what you want from a hacker logo.

goatse.cx? (1, Funny)

camusflage (65105) | about 11 years ago | (#7342768)

I think that regardless of what we choose, goatse.cx [goatse.cx] should be stricken from the list immediately!

I'm not sure this really works. (2, Flamebait)

Exmet Paff Daxx (535601) | about 11 years ago | (#7342770)

Admittedly, the "glider" was cool. Everybody played life, everyone knew that crosses were stable and gliders would fly till they impacted - it's a universal identifier for a lot of people.

But the BSD logo and the Linux logo are brands, they're symbols for a codebase, not a loosely and contentiously organized group which most people off the street would mistakenly identify as a word for computer criminals. This really doesn't make any sense- what are you branding yourself as? Are you an ESR/hacker? What if by some fluke you just never played life?

Anyway if we are going to give someone the responsiblity of branding an entire MOVEMENT, I'm not sure it should be some gun crazed wack job [lwn.net] that would scare most moms out of the day care center.

Looks like the game of Go (1)

Icepick_ (25751) | about 11 years ago | (#7342773)

It looks very similar to a portion of a go game diagram.

Since hackers and go players are an overlapping segment of the population, there is some room for confusion.

Skull and Crossbones... (2, Insightful)

quizwedge (324481) | about 11 years ago | (#7342775)

is what I thought was more traditional. But while on the subject, what group is this for? The original hackers? Crackers? Script Kiddies? Phone Phreaks? All of the above? It seems to me that before you can give a group a logo, you have to actually define that group first. On the site, they do seem to have a statement of beliefs or whatever, but I think the guy has a little bit big of a head to act like is the authority on hackers.

Two words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342776)

Jolly Roger

live long and prosper (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342779)

You can pass this secret symbol to your geek friends by making Spock's live long and prosper vulcan hand symbol and rotating it 90 degrees.

what? (1)

PhreakOfTime (588141) | about 11 years ago | (#7342782)

While this is a nice idea for someone to come up with after putting down the hooka...is it a joke?

A logo for hackers? Sure why not, these are the kinds of people just looking to attach themselves to some sort of social structure, because they care so much what other people think of their social standings.

Your kidding, right?

If some people get their way (1)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | about 11 years ago | (#7342787)

The hacker symbol will be this [alternet.org]

Another ESR's egomaniac idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342789)

This is another one in the series of ESR's egomaniac projects. GNU has their own logo, and Linux has its own, but those logos were chosen by the important people in those projects. Now ESR is trying to signify his position among hackers by proposing a logo. So what if ESR's is maintaining the 'revisionist' version of jargon dictionary? If there would be a logo, it certainly shouldn't be from ESR.

Last month it was 'the art of unix programming', what's next in ESR defines the world series?

I've always liked this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342790)

H/P/Disk? [defcon.org]

My proposal (2, Funny)

rolux (99682) | about 11 years ago | (#7342792)

The amazon.com shopping cart [textz.com] , inverted and appropriately rotated...

I propose (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | about 11 years ago | (#7342798)

a middle finger sticking up, or somthing very absured and not accepted by the masses, so it will appear on hacked computers, etc. Anything except the goatse guy.

Hobbyists rarely have logos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342799)

The Linux folks have their penguin and the BSDers their demon. Perl's got a camel, FSF fans have their gnu and OSI's got an open-source logo.

However people who like cats don't have a logo, neither do people who wear their jackets backwards, people who do woodcarving in their spare evenings, cigar smokers, or people who dye their hair green.

Hobbyists rarely have logos.

obvious (5, Insightful)

McAddress (673660) | about 11 years ago | (#7342805)

the need for a logo is obvious. After all, /. was forced to use the linux logo for this.

a logo for you. (2, Funny)

JDizzy (85499) | about 11 years ago | (#7342808)

Hrm.......

I would sugest a cluttery desk with dirty ash trays, lots of empty half crushed soda-pop cans, O'reilly books of various pedigry and colors spewn around the room and book shelves. Pillow hair, coffee cups, the abient glow of a monitor, and half eaten pizza. Combine these things into one logo and it would rule all other logos.

Hello Kitty! (1)

jeanettewilder (720152) | about 11 years ago | (#7342812)

Hey boys, The rest of the world has been using the Hello Kitty character as a semi-offcial "Hacktivist" logi for years. Here's a cute link where you can enjoy Neo-Jacobians Federales whining about the evils that dear little Hello Kitty bodes: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=19097 Enjoy! -- J

Anarchist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342813)

This is just more evidence that ESR is not really an anarchist.

Anarchists believe de-centralization is best as a rule of thumb, so having every hacker represented under the one (read centralized) banner is just plain anti-anarchist.

All the logos mentions (tux and others) will do just fine to represent those already decentralized (yet networked) groups.

Question/Suggestion (1)

theantix (466036) | about 11 years ago | (#7342814)

"If you either promote somebody's product for money..."
Er, what the fuck? Anyone who is involved in sales is ineligible to use this logo? If he means "If you use this logo to promote somebody's product for money" he should say it, otherwise it's just confusing.

alternate logo ideas (1)

krulgar (250929) | about 11 years ago | (#7342815)

How about a finger above the "Yes, I'm sure!" key
or the "any" key?
or above a 2-key keyboard with a "1" key and a "0" key?
How about the caffeine molecule?

Now... who starts the organization and management of the votes?

-Not it!

Hmmm... (1)

geekster (87252) | about 11 years ago | (#7342829)

I know what "game of life" is but that logo reminds me more of tic-tac-toe ... that's how it's spelled right? Toe?... aaah what ever, next post!

This is gay and you are a fag (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342837)

'Hackers unite!' Fuck off with your marketing.

yin-yang (1)

10am-bedtime (11106) | about 11 years ago | (#7342838)

people will mod this down as cliche (it is, admittedly), but what other almost-universal symbol addresses the balance of the act of hacking? the project unmaintained rots until a new maintainer picks it up (balance). the interesting bits are explored until they are no longer interesting (balance). one hacker's romp on the net is another's security breach (balance). one anal admin's lockdown is another's challange (balance). and always, in the ashes of a {failed, successful} project is the inspiration for the next {success, failure}.

Easy, draw what every hacker has in common. (1)

MongooseCN (139203) | about 11 years ago | (#7342839)

So how do you draw a virgin?

validation (1)

MSG (12810) | about 11 years ago | (#7342842)

Here is a snippet of XHTML you can paste into a page.

<a href='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/'>
<img src='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png' ></a>


The astute will notice that the above is not valid XHTML. It should be:

<a href='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/'>
<img src='http://www.catb.org/hacker-emblem/glider.png' alt='Hacker logo' /></a>

Here's my candidate (4, Funny)

Our Man In Redmond (63094) | about 11 years ago | (#7342845)

Take a look [keysan.com]

Functional, yet stylish. It gives us a connection to those hackers who have gone before us.

(Note to the humor impaired: This is supposed to be funny. Laugh, or at least try to.)

GOATSE!!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342847)

The Goatse Man is the Perfect Logo for Hackerdom.

http://goatse.cx

"Hacker" is now a shibboleth (3, Insightful)

Ridgelift (228977) | about 11 years ago | (#7342848)

If you don't know what a glider is, or why it would make a good emblem, or if you're dubious about having an emblem at all, read the FAQs page

The word "hacker" has become a shibboleth. It's a word that seperates people in-the-know from people who are not. Back in biblical times, a town was named "Shibboleth" which non-native people would mispronounce. If a guard or other authority wanted to know if someone was native to the town or a possible outside threat, he would have them pronounce the name of the city. If they could pronounce "Shibboleth" properly, they were in. If they couldn't, they were sent on their way.

Why the history lesson? Because the word "hacker" has gained a lot of baggage and is now a shibboleth. Once used to describe people who were true geeks who wanted to understand how things worked, it now carries the negative connotation of someone who breaks into computers.

I like the word "hacker" because true hackers understand what it means. I also think in that same vein the logo Eric's chosen is a good one, because people "in-the-know" will understand what it means. The fact that I thought the "Game of Life" referred to the Milton-Bradley game shows I still have more to learn. So now I'm reading up on the history of the actual game, which shows my desire to really learn and understand.

Which is what a "hacker" wants to do anyway...

RMS - Message + Ego = ESR (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342854)

take RMS, a yammering looney with bad facial hair, a big ego, and a strong resounding belief in software and freedom.

now take away the "strong resounding belief" bit, and you've got...

ESR!

they were separated at birth, I think.

no thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7342863)

It's just not sufficiently obvious or universal. You might as well propose:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/586b/

-Cam

Life. Don't talk to me about life. (1)

David E. Smith (4570) | about 11 years ago | (#7342881)

If the first thing you thought of when you saw this article was this [boardgamecentral.com] Game of Life, you are automatically disqualified. :-)
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