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605 comments

this sux (-1, Troll)

floodo1 (246910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350113)

yeah and apple rules...NOT

we can design awesomely but umm yeah we suck too :(

P.S. Neo lets Smith take him over, than he dies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350260)

Sorry, to spoil it.

*BSD is dying! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350294)

Apple is a monopoly!

"Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

Re:this sux (-1, Redundant)

floodo1 (246910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350315)

yay i am the l33t first USEFUL post...which is also first post!!! (thew one above this).

yeah for more explanation.....way to go apple :(

why? does anyone know of any technical reason to do this?

sucks! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350116)

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350119)

First Post [goatse.cx]

why do they need security fixes? (2, Funny)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350123)

I thought only windows was insecure...

Re:why do they need security fixes? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350148)

why do they need security fixes?

Because open-source software is full of security holes.

Re:why do they need security fixes? (0)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350187)

Nah, everything is insecure, it's just that the insecurities in Windows are the only ones exploited constantly.

Re:why do they need security fixes? (1, Funny)

DShard (159067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350206)

It is... It's the interaction with MS windows systems on a network that makes other OS's insecure.

Re:why do they need security fixes? (1)

bass2496 (597243) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350322)

Wouldn't a secure OS be immune to other OS's insecurities?

Re:why do they need security fixes? (1)

GaelenBurns (716462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350366)

Not if that "Secure" OS had some sort of trust relationship with the insecure one.

Re:why do they need security fixes? (0)

KD5YPT (714783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350235)

Every system is insecure. Just depends on how much insecurity it has.
InSecurity ranking...
1. MicroSoft Windows
2. Apple
3. Linux

Re:why do they need security fixes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350287)

4. DOS

SMITH TAKES OVER NEO, THEN ALL THE CLONES EXPLODE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350367)

Sorry to spoil it.

The last scene is Sati saying "I made it for him" during a sunset scene with the Oracle and the Architect.

Trinity is impaled in a crash landing on the way to the Machine City.

The Matrix continues existing.

OMG APPLE IS TEH EVIL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350125)

N/T

Good Business Model. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350127)

When a user is forced to buy the newest Operating System update or perish to script kiddies -- instant profit.

Especially since most OS X users are pretty much geeks.

Eh? (3, Insightful)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350130)


1) Stupid of Apple, if true; part of the appeal is the lower number of problems OSX has vs Windows.

2) They'll probably have a patch in a few days. If they're smart.

*swirls in MS logo* (3, Funny)

anaphora (680342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350131)

Meanwhile at Microsoft HQ...

Gates: Damnit! Apple stole our idea to no longer support old versions of Operating Systems and force everyone to upgrade! Lawyer #1, isn't that illegal? Let's get a suit together!

Re:*swirls in MS logo* (1)

BubbaTheBarbarian (316027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350282)

Sounds like a meathods and modes patent win every time!

Just remember this though...OS x is UNIX, UNIX is owned by SCO and SCO is owned by...MS?

But... but I thought... (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350132)

... that the Mac was totally secure out of the box, and didn't have any vulnerabilities like those nasty Windoze PCs!

At least that's what the Mac cultists keep telling me. Say it isn't so, Steve!

Re:But... but I thought... (2, Insightful)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350207)

All who are under the influence of the fabled Reality Distortion Field still believe there Macs are inherently safe. Remove your tin hat and soon your fears will be eased.

In other news, it should come as no surprise to anyone that a computer has a potential security flaw. Does it have a keyboard? What's that? It does have a keyboard! Why, someone could just walk in and START ACCESSING YOUR COMPUTER by simply typing on it.

On the upside, the amount of skr1p7 kiddies who are likely to find Mac exploits and use them are surprisingly small. They're more apt to want to break into Windows machines because 1) it's easier 2) it's more well-documented and 3) what they want to break in to (a friend's computer, school computers, etc) probably run Windows, statistically speaking.

Free Software (-1, Troll)

captainclever (568610) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350134)

That's why I use free open source software :P

Re:Free Software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350327)

Score 1:Troll, thank god. /. finally modded something correctly =)

Bugtraq links (5, Informative)

chennes (263526) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350140)

Here are the bugtraq links to the specific vulnerabilities:

Arbitrary File Overwrite via Core Files [securityfocus.com]
Systemic Insecure File Permissions [securityfocus.com]
Long argv[] buffer overflow [securityfocus.com]

If it is going to be Apple's policy to not provide support [apple.com] for previous operating systems from the day the new one comes out it is going to be very, very difficult for them to break into the enterprise world. Even Microsoft provides support for operating systems for a few years after the new one is released. Maybe if enough people submit a bug report [apple.com] Apple will do something about it.

Re:Bugtraq links (4, Informative)

gclef (96311) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350288)

What's interesting (and/or disappointing) about this story is that all of the quotes I could see in the actual article were pulled straight from the Bugtraq thread about this. It appears that the reporter did no actual work besides paraphrasing and cut/paste from public emails.

Re:Bugtraq links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350345)

But they seem to be enjoying their current status in subverting microsoft anf wintel world with thier productus that are just better like the powerbooks and ipods.

Panther-only bugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350371)


IF these bugs aren't Panther-only (I haven't been able to verify either way) AND Apple doesn't cough up a patch soon for the Jaguar and earlier OS X variants, then yes that's a seriously crappy thing.

Doesn't fit Apple's pattern at all on security patches though, which is why I believe it's either Panther-only or an additional patch will be out soon for older revs.

Speaking of which, just about to do a clean install of Panther on a new HD....

apple suxx0r (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350143)

apple suxx0r! once again proving once they have something nice they are bound to screw it up! YEAH CHRISF!

Well... (0)

ed333 (684843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350146)

I hope Bill Gates doesn't hear about this practice ... Besides, aren't they OBLIGATED to fix software that they wrote and sold to people when its discovered to be insecure? I don't see how Apple thinks they can get away with this.

If Microsoft did this... (1, Troll)

Eu4ria (110578) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350147)


If Microsoft did this there would be a huge outcry (BTW I hate Microsoft and all they stand for.) But at least Microsoft waits a few years before stopping support for the older versions of it's OS.

Re:If Microsoft did this... (2, Funny)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350203)

But they will, they copy most things Apple do.

MSApple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350150)

Wind-OS X?

Woah (4, Funny)

kcornia (152859) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350151)

Did MS buy Apple when I wasn't paying attention?

Re:Woah (1)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350369)

Yes [mweb.co.za]

Sounds like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350154)

Jobs is taking a leaf out of gates book.

Ouch. (2, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350155)

I remember how people reacted when they found out that Microsoft was going to stop patching Win98. At least they had the decency to wait 5 years. OSX is a really new product, why would they stop putting patches out so soon?

Dangerous Behavior... (2, Insightful)

Dracolytch (714699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350158)

"You didn't pay up when we wanted to, and so now you're screwed."

How much of this attitude until you're paying for each security update? I'm sure MS would love it if they could get away with it. A steady waterfall of cash.

I'm sure there'll be enough of an outcry to fix this behavior. I can't imagine people would tolerate this kind of BS for long.

~D

quick! someone defend Apple to the bitter end! (2, Insightful)

wankledot (712148) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350160)

If MS did this, the /. crowd would scream bloody murder (hell, they have... and y'all have.) But you know Apple apologists are going to have some reason why this is OK for them to do, and try to make it out like Apple is still the good guy, no matter what.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs, they're all I use, but Apple fanboys make me ill.

Re:quick! someone defend Apple to the bitter end! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350198)

Can I get an amen-ah! Praise the lord-ah! An intelligent comment-ah, getting modded up-ah!

Re:quick! someone defend Apple to the bitter end! (3, Insightful)

strider (3069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350342)

" If MS did this, the /. crowd would scream bloody murder (hell, they have... and y'all have.) But you know Apple apologists are going to have some reason why this is OK for them to do, and try to make it out like Apple is still the good guy, no matter what.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs, they're all I use, but Apple fanboys make me ill."

I see this argument on slashdot all the time. It does not work. It seems to follow some of the worse arguments in popular culture. Basically it claims that since Slashdot readers take a particular position about software, they are biased and can't possibly be doing so because they have good reason to.

This is a bad argument. If you think a particular post ignores facts and make poor arguments, point them out. Don't just yell "BIAS" as a blanket acusation against every future post that expresses the position that this is not as bad as it seems. If you think the moderation system is biased, I suggest you provide evidence showing particular posts of high quality being ignored and low quality advance to an extent that you can establish their is a systemic process going on here.

Just because people here seem to currently prefer OS X to XP does not mean everything they say can be ignored under the all encompasing label of bias. Please, provide arguments, not unsuported assertions.

Re:quick! someone defend Apple to the bitter end! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350347)

It seems like everyone in this thread is asking "Why is it that Apple users think this is ok? If Microsoft.... bla bla blah"

But I don't see a bunch of posts from Mac users saying "Oh, well this is ok."

What makes you think that Mac users think this is ok?

This wouldn't happen with Mr. Belvedere! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350161)

Streaks on the china,
never mattered before,
who cares.

When you dropped kicked your jacket
As you came through the door,
No one glared.

But sometimes things get turned around
And no one's spared.

All hands look out below
here's a change in the status quo.
Gonna need all the help that we can get.

According to our new arrival
Life is more than mere survival
We just might live the good life yet.

BOO-YA-KAH-SHAK!

NOT A TROLL YOU NIGGERS! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350348)

Simply stating that the dignity of Mr. Belvedere would not allow this to happen is hardly a troll.

Don't be a fucking nigger.

What's the deal with you, Apple fanatics? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350162)

My job duties involve frequent copying of 17 MB files from one location to another. A little bit routine, but it's not being outsourced any time soon, and the benefits package is great.

So far Apple Mac OS has proven to have the worst performance in our benchmarks. Let's get real - after you spend about $2000 on hardware and application licensing, not only you don't get the source of the OS, but the file transfers are slow as molasses.

How APPL manages to stay in business is a secret for me. Perhaps the money from Britney Spears tunes could be invested into MacOS Fast Copying division.

Bloody murder (-1)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350164)

If Microsoft were pulling this stunt people would be crying bloody murder. Does anyone here understand why this is tolerated in Appleville?

Re:Bloody murder (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350217)

I, for one, am not happy... I stupidly let applecare lapse on my ibook... now it needs a new logic board ($500 repair job). I don't have the $$$ for Panther right now, and I'm extremely upset about the immediate lack of support for old OS versions.

But really, would my excessive ranting and whining on /. really make a difference? No. There's no point to it, so I'll spare myself the energy for more enjoyable pursuits. Like nethack :)

Re:Bloody murder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350321)

Who's tolerating it? The posts I've seen here aren't, for the most part, sympathetic to Apple. Microsoft takes their licks here, as does Apple. If Microsoft seems to catch more of it, well, maybe they're just working harder at earning our hostility. That doesn't mean Apple gets automatically praised for (what initially appears to be) a boneheaded security patch policy.

Re:Bloody murder (0, Flamebait)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350332)

You'd have to ask Apple users why they let Apple treat them that way. Apple is well known for sticking it to its users, but even so they remain as loyal as ever. They obviously feel that the Apple experience is worth it to them no matter what. They are also used to being told how things are going to be and relish having one company making all their decisions for them. Hence why so many Apple users have a strong desire to use nothing but Apple software and Hardware. In return they have to take the good with the bad. The bad in this case being if they want to continue enjoying the "Apple experience" they need to pay up.

So personally do I think its unfair to force people to upgrade just because Apple is too greedy to backport to an almost new OS? Yes. Does my opinion matter to Apple users? Nope.

Re:Bloody murder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350381)

Coz in Appleville no one knows what a computer is...

As a long time Mac user, I'm not surprised. (1, Insightful)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350165)

I can't remember anytime Apple has ever released an update for a non-current version of MacOS. They always assume that you should update to the latest version that you can run on your machine.

There are all sorts of bugs in 10.1 that Apple will has addressed in 10.2 and 10.3. That does not mean they go backwards and release patches for older OSes. They don't have the resources to do that. Many such bugs are also potential security holes.

Re:As a long time Mac user, I'm not surprised. (2, Insightful)

Sebby (238625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350234)

So, we're stuck with 'defective' products (like most other sw publishers provide these days...)

One of these days one of them is going to get seriously taken to court over this.

Either that, or the government is eventually going to have to get sw publishers to provide a warranty for their sw, like all other good are forced to have. I guess it's just up to us to stop settling for defective sw.

Re:As a long time Mac user, I'm not surprised. (5, Informative)

bizard (691544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350303)

I can't remember anytime Apple has ever released an update for a non-current version of MacOS.
actually, apple has been releasing 10.1 security patches all through the 10.2 lifespan. In addition they have been patching Mac OS 9 as well. This would truly be a change of attitude if it is true, but I imagine there will be enough hue and cry to fix it.

Re:As a long time Mac user, I'm not surprised. (2, Informative)

neoform (551705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350352)

after OS X was released OS 9 was given a final patch 9.2.2 ...

Re:As a long time Mac user, I'm not surprised. (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350356)

I can't remember anytime Apple has ever released an update for a non-current version of MacOS. They always assume that you should update to the latest version that you can run on your machine.

With Classic MacOS, that approach made more sense as this sort of vulnerability was essentially a non-issue anyway. (Oooh, an argv[] buffer overflow! I'm gonna grab root!) But now that they're selling a multi-user system, they need to address these holes properly.

Maybe it only applies to Panther. (3, Insightful)

KD5YPT (714783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350170)

I'm no expert. But is there a possibility that it is only possible to patch this security hole on Panther?

Re:Maybe it only applies to Panther. (1, Informative)

Reblet (671563) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350325)

It'd like to think so. To quote the Apple description of the Security Update:

Security Update 2003-10-28 addresses a potential vulnerability in the implementation of QuickTime Java in Mac OS X v10.3 and Mac OS X Server v10.3 that could allow unauthorized access to a system.

Java got a version boost in Panther, so it's not unthinkable that a little error slipped in this version; and doesn't affect the pre-Panther systems in any way.

Not True... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350171)

While Apple no longer releases point releases on prior releases of OS X, they DO release Security Releases. I think we all need to give them some time to finish the patch and post the update. Apple has *never* left users out in the dark, especially with recent releases (i.e. 10.2, 10.1). I know several users who are still using 10.1 and have received several security patches.

Re:Not True... (4, Informative)

prockcore (543967) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350338)

oh really? Then where is the SSH patch for 10.1?

Here At Slashdot We're Unsure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350172)

Microsoft is evil! No, SCO is! No way, Sun is evil!

Apple forces you to pay for security fixes folks. Why aren't they on the list above?

Is Apple next? (0, Troll)

Sebby (238625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350176)

MS has already been sued because their sw is insecure; now Apple know its own is insecure, AND won't fix it?

At least MS tries to patch its bugs; if Apple refuses to offer patches for free, it's setting itself up for some serious troubles methinks

Re:Is Apple next? (1)

KD5YPT (714783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350302)

Perhaps they're still in the process of writing a patch for the older version.

A bit unfair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350177)

It's a little unfair on those who bought 10.2 several months ago - compare them with Microsoft, who only just stopped providing support updates for Windows 98. Apple have stopped providing updates for my copy of 10.1, bought a year ago. However, I guess OS X is generally more secure than Windows any way, so fewer updates should be needed.

Damn! (3, Funny)

Jackmon (170028) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350183)

... and I was gonna boycott Panther until they added an 'up' button to the Finder. Oh, well..

Re:Damn! (2, Informative)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350310)

There is an 'up' button. Right click or Control-click on the toolbar, pick 'customize toolbar', add the 'up' button.

There you go.

Possible (5, Insightful)

mojowantshappy (605815) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350195)

Isn't it possible that they just haven't released the 10.2 patch yet?

Apple has an age-old tradition (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350201)

of screwing its own customers. I learned that well -- I bought a @&#* Newton.

Re:Apple has an age-old tradition (2, Funny)

sjonke (457707) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350380)

Don't you mean, "Ample hard an ape-old transition of scaring its old customers. I yearned that hell -- I brought a &@!# Neutron." ?

Um.. what? (4, Insightful)

norkakn (102380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350202)

Some third party news site is making a claim that apple didn't have a comment in and we are supposed to take that to mean that it is true?

Apple isn't stupid, there will be patches, and if their won't then wait until they release something about it before you start burning them in efigy.

Glad to finally find out who beleives all of the things in the tabloids

Re:Um.. what? (2, Insightful)

davebo (11873) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350313)

Well, considering they've left unpatched the SSH bugs in 10.1 (which was released Sept. 2001) for which 10.2 fixes were released a month ago, I'd say history lies on the side of those claiming no more updates.

No surprise here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350205)

And you wonder why some of us STILL claim Apple is no better than Microsoft despite everything Apple is doing? Well, this is the perfect example why. For every good thing Apple does, they do something just as bad. It only takes on rotten apple to ruin a whole basket.

Mac OSX is great. Sure. But it's still proprietary software owned by a control freak company that down to its very essence is an even bigger control freak than Microsoft. Neither is satisfactory.

Re:No surprise here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350349)

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Hills!!!! RUN FOR THEM!!!!!

Re:No surprise here. (1)

Nutcase (86887) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350370)

"It only takes on[sic] rotten apple to ruin a whole basket."

That doesn't make sense. If someone gave me a basket of apples and one was rotten, that doesn't mean the rest of them aren't perfectly tasty delicious apples. Just rinse them off. I mean, "rotten" isn't contagious is it?

Why will Apple users be any different? (1)

Squeebee (719115) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350214)

"Imagine if Microsoft tried to charge for security fixes--people would go crazy," Larholm said. And the Apple users are going to bend over and take it?

Re:Why will Apple users be any different? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350384)

Apple users already bend over and take it.

They pay more and get less... and they like it that way.

A subtle prod to upgrade, or a bluff? (2, Interesting)

Octagon Most (522688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350223)

This is a typical Apple bluff. Of course they want everyone to upgrade (and pay $129 yet again), and hope to encourage users to do so with new features (such as the drool-worthy Expose). Apple has many times tried to cut off support for earlier version of an OS and had to eventually relent. Sometimes it takes a lawsuit for them to do so. OS X is just getting some great press so it would be very damaging if the bad press from this decision serves to highlight a security vulnerability in what is otherwise being lauded as much more secure by design than any flavor of Windows. Expect Apple to quietly issue a patch for 10.2.

Why not? (1)

blogboy (638908) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350225)

...and if you were a company with only 3% market share, what would you do? It's a for-profit company folks. It's not a glaring windoze RPC hole or anything. They have to make money somehow.

Cut them some slack--they're competing against MS.

Jeez... give apple at least a week (4, Insightful)

NickV (30252) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350231)

This bug was found and reported on three days ago. I don't think Apple has issued a statement saying they will or will not release a patch. Everyone seems to be acting like there will be no patch like Apple has issued a statement to that effect.

Let's not get too pissy yet.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350240)

Welcome to the world of proprietary software.

Driving sales verses Product support (1, Insightful)

OSeXy (719129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350243)

On the surface, it seems a bad move not to offer patches to Jaguar (10.2.x) users. If the assumption is correct, that Apple is indeed withholding a patch simply to spur sales of Panther (10.3), it borders on bad ethics. There are many users of now unsupported hardware that won't tun Panther who rely on their Macs to earn a living, Apple seems to be holding their security as ransom forcing them to upgrade not only the OS, but hardware too. - Bad form, Apple! In all fairness, we need to see what the next few week hold regarding Apple releasing (or not releasing) a patch. I'd be very suprised if they don't. It's probably just a marketing tactic to spur every possible user to upgrade - Still, bad form.

Is this just another stupid tax from a company? (1, Interesting)

TomSawyer (100674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350253)

How many of these security fixes in the new update are related to the OS?

I don't see why anybody aware of the open source technologies that underpin OS X couldn't just locate and apply the fixes themselves. The users who don't know how can pay for the convenience of continued consumer-level support. As for the OS specific security concerns, is it unreasonable to expect an upgrade when there is a new OS release?

Vulnerabilities (2, Funny)

coolmacdude (640605) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350278)

From TFA: Other vulnerabilities could allow a local or remote user to crash the system.

Lol, I'd love to see the patch they came up with for preventing a local user from crashing the system.

Ignorance is bliss (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350296)

This hasn't been a good followup week for Panther. First the upgrade issues, then the abysmal transfer rate of the belkin iPod media transfer thingy, now this security update fiasco.

Stebe, please save us with all your messiah powers. We want to bask in the glory of your healing rays!

no doubt (1)

manon (112081) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350297)

I'm very sure Apple will bring out the patches.
If they didn't they would lose a lot f trust in their community and I would no longer think of buying an iBook myself.
Apple isn't cheap, but they have good hardware and Panther is, as far as I can judge it, a very nice example of friendly unix.
They can't continue without bringing out the patches.

I only wish..... (0, Flamebait)

atarione (601740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350299)

.... I had enough money to be a MAC user.. I mean $2k+ for the Computer then $129 for security updates ...I mean upgrades every what ??? 6mos.. I only wish I had this kinda cash laying about =) oh yeah in other news m$ announces SP2 for windowsXP is cancelled and windows XP.1 will cost $129 =)

I have my doubts (1)

four2five (645777) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350300)

It seems really dodgy that something as big as a security update would be withheld from an OS that was "current" until a week ago. I'm just going to wait and see what happens. My guess is that they'll patch Jaguar in the near future.

I told you it was time to pay your Mac Tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350304)

Time to pay the piper OS X users. Why do you think we call it FeeBSD.

Jumping the gun (3)

jason.hall (640247) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350306)

Whoa, slow down - Apple has not said they aren't going to support 10.2 Jaguar. I'd be willing to bet they simply released the Panther patch first.

Jeez...and people bitch at Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350309)

At least a simple security issue isn't $130...

Nothing New (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350314)

This isn't new news. I guess apple is getting enough use now that people are starting to care. Apple has been very bad about software updates on old OS's. We're still running a 10.0 server and there haven't been any software updates for it in ... well I can't remember the last one. Mind you I do have the same option now as any other *nix user of downloading and compiling my own services... which is less convenient but just as effective.

Dear OS X users (0)

Letter (634816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350320)

Dear OS X users,

There are clearly security updates posted here [apple.com] for 10.1 and other updates posted here [apple.com] for 10.2.

I would think that fixes for these bugs will be available from these locations.

10-4,
os-xor

If true, leaves Beige-G3 users out in the cold (2, Interesting)

tmoertel (38456) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350334)

I, like many other folks, run OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) on an older, "Beige" G3, which is not supported by Panther. Unless Apple provides security patches for Jaguar in addition to Panther, Beige-G3 owners like me will be stuck with an OS that had known security holes and no reasonable way to plug the holes.

That's so wrong that I have a hard time believing that this is actually Apple's position. I expect that we'll hear from Apple shortly, and they will clarify their position -- that the patches for 10.2 will be out Real Soon Now.

But if not, Apple's going to get a lot of bad PR from this.

It occurs to me, (1)

i_r_sensitive (697893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350337)

That perhaps the vulnerabilities are limited to Panther...

Just wild-ass speculation of course, I have no reason to believe this is the case...

However, my father, a long time Mac user has commented on this before. Now, being an educator, it was allways trivial for him to keep current, mostly the Faculty IT group would keep all the Macs current.

TBMK, there isn't any way to force Apple to offer the patch to preceding versions, and the license probably states as much. That said, it really isn't great publicity.

Kind of cries out to update the old aphorism:

Any press is good press, unless it limps you in with M$...

But don't you need physical access to the computer (2, Interesting)

charlie_vernacular (710651) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350346)

I just looked at the BUGTRAQ mailings, and I get the impression that you need physical access to the computer to break in to it. Have I got that right? I'm no expert, but I've always assumed that given physical access to a computer, a decent hacker could easily have their evil way with it. Of course that doesn't excuse Apple's failure to provide a patch and their rather glib upgrade suggestions.

Obligatory (1)

Yazheirx (205206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350355)

Patches... We don't need no stinking patches.

Serves you right apple zealots (5core:100, True) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350362)

Apple is a proprietery, EXPENSIVE, rip off company, once you strip away the candy colours, the iapps, and the G5, Apple is just a company that offers less for more.

Want a fast CPU?, get a Athlon 64, or A second hand Sparkstation.
Want candy colours, get KDE, the keramik GUI included in 3.1 and improved in the upcoming 3.2 is a whole lot better tahn Aqua. Plus you can switch to a plain style if you don't like it. Face it, Apple is a disgrace to the community. They are fucking expensive outside the USA (A G5 costs the Equivilent of $5000 in my country, where $20000 a year is RICH! x86 is expensive too, but at least i can get one for around $50)

Fuck OSX, Fuck Apple and Fuck the Apple zealots who will mod the truth unfairly -1, flame "zealot got upset" bait.

I for one, welcome our Linux overlords, and when christmas comes I will have KDE 3.2, which will put a cap in you zealots ass once and for all (If you havent tried the KDE 3.2 alphas, you don't know WHAT your missing)! Not to mention that Apple uses KDE technology in OSX.

Apple has not made a statement (5, Insightful)

CraigCourtney (21316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350364)

While this could be true, Apple has not made an official statement that I know of. Some one saying they talked to some one at apple does not make policy. It is entirley possible that Apple has just concentrated all resources to get Panther out the door. No work was allowed on previous versions until it was done. It just as plausible as the radical they won't fix Jaguar. Until Apple states their official policy people shouldn't fly off the handle.

Security? (1)

devphaeton (695736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7350368)

Security Fixes already?

wtf?

Hey, it's Apple! They can do what they want! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350374)

Hey, let's remember that this is Apple, folks. They can do whatever they want and Apple fans will continue to love them. Don't want to upgrade? Too bad! Steve commands thee to upgrade, thus thou shalt upgrade! But never in a million years will anyone criticize Apple for this. Apple gets a free pass!

Now if Microsoft were to do something like this... ...oh wait... ...they've already sunset (gasp!) Windows 98, a five year old product! And NT 4.0, an eight year old product! And remember the howls of protest, the derision, the "you're a fool for running Windows" comments that graced this oh-so-thoughtful-and-unbiased website when that was announced? Oh, how MS caught hell for their heavy handed tactics, forcing users to upgrade in order to get the latest features and patches!

But that's Microsoft, and this is Apple, and us anti-Microsoft zealots must maintain our double standards! Praise Apple! Damn Microsoft! Oh, I feel good!

Has is occurred to anyone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7350379)

... that maybe the bug just isn't there in 10.2?

Perhaps its not so much a forced upgrade, as it is that the bug was introduced in 10.3, and 10.2 is fine?
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