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RIAA Calls Settlements Proof that Education is Working

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the find-the-sarcasm dept.

Music 425

MattW writes "AP reports that the RIAA has filed the next 80 lawsuits. The article contains a dumbfounding quote from Cary Sherman, President of the RIAA: 'The fact that the overwhelming majority of those who received the notification letter contacted us and were eager to resolve the claims is another clear signal that the music community's education and enforcement campaign is getting the message out.' Just for clarification, Cary, all it proves is that monopolistic giants can, in fact, afford to pay lawyers more than average people, and so said people are easily bullied. But nice try." It warms my heart to know that artists will be getting all the money that's due to them. Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve.

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425 comments

Settlements = Sheep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356902)

Proof that people are too dumb to just tie the problem up in court

Re:Settlements = Sheep (4, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356987)

So... if you received such a letter you'd fight them to the bitter end? Tell us... how on earth would you pay for legal representation? Or would you attempt to defend yourself? In either case, I'm sad to say, you would loose, because you do not have the resources to fight.

Re:Settlements = Sheep (1)

Mr. Dop (708162) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357019)

Same goes for the folks who paid the SCO invoices for Linux

Trick or Treat, Negro Style (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356903)


Trick or Treat, Negro Style

Negro corpses washed ashore
"That one looks like a dirty whore"

Drowned cadavers dark and black
"That one must be full of crack"

Dead Negro eyes blank and hazy
"This one here sure was lazy"

Bloated sambos full of bile
"Trick or Treat, Negro Style"


Re:Trick or Treat, Negro Style (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356940)

Can you repost the 'care and feeding of your house nigger' ?

I found it quite funny.

And when do we get to see the Towel Head (or Sand Nigger) series?

Lift and smootch! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356904)

That's right!

sporks-r-us.com

Where's the Government? Our elected officials? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356908)

Since these lawsuits being filed are obviously the huge monopolistic giant against the little guy, and the little guy obviously can't AFFORD to defend himself, doesn't that mean something is fundamentally broken here?

Isn't it just as obvious that 20 corporate lawyers against a single public defender simply ISN'T fair?

Hello? President Bush? Senate? Congress? Can you hear us?

Re:Where's the Government? Our elected officials? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356918)

"Hello? President Bush? Senate? Congress? Can you hear us?"

Sorry, they only listen to money.

Re:Where's the Government? Our elected officials? (5, Informative)

GrenDel Fuego (2558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356930)

Isn't it just as obvious that 20 corporate lawyers against a single public defender simply ISN'T fair?

Public Defender?

I believe these are civil cases, not criminal, so I'm not certain that public defenders are even provided. If you don't have the money for a lawyer, good luck.

Re:Where's the Government? Our elected officials? (3, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356962)

Congratulations, you've finally woken up to the reality of te broken existance that has been in place in this country for the 22yrs I've been around and continues growing worse.

Don't cry to the polititions, they are mere puppets for the corporations.

Re:Where's the Government? Our elected officials? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357013)

I don't see why it's any more broken than having the whole police force and judiciary on your back after committing, say, a murder. Not that I'm likening copyright abuse to murder, but the point is it's ALWAYS "against the little guy" because it's the little guy who does the stuff.

Do you really want the government looking this (-1, Flamebait)

acomj (20611) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357040)

Copyright violation is still illegal. Do you want the government going after violators?

South Park (5, Interesting)

bjb (3050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356909)

(WARNING: slight spoiler contained)

If you haven't seen this week's new episode of South Park, you might want to catch it on Comedy Central. Basicaly, there is a stab at the music industry in general. Cartman starts a Christian rock band just to exploit it for the money (calling the music simple and bad), and a "ghost of Christmas present" of sorts shows the kids that because they downloaded a song, certain musicians won't be buying their 3rd gold plated Rolls Royce. Or something to that effect.

Not the best episode they've done, but certainly an open statement to the RIAA.

Re:South Park (1)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356925)

It wasn't a 'Ghost of Christmas Present' - it was an FBI Agent.

Re:South Park (1)

ClubStew (113954) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356955)

Hello? Anybody in there? He said 'Ghost of Christmas Present' of sorts. Ever seen Dicken's classic, "A Christmas Carol"? The Ghost of Christmas Present showed Scruge what the world around him was like, things that he normally wouldn't know because he didn't know or didn't understand, just like the Children didn't understand that they're "hurting" the poor, poor cry-babies...er, musicians.

Re:South Park (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357021)

He also said Ghost of Christmas Present implying that this was a spirit like the fucking story. This wasn't a ghost, so STFU, troll.

Re:South Park (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357047)

No, you shut the fuck up. Respect my authoritaw! Screw you guys, I'm goin home.

Re:South Park (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357073)

Screw you, fatass!

Re:South Park (-1, Offtopic)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357088)

mmfhguumble hruffallmmn

Re:South Park (4, Funny)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356934)

It's also very lucky that the RIAA intend to pass on every cent of the lawsuit settlements directly to the artists who deserve it, and are not in any way interested in bulking out their own wallets at the expense of those who actually create music.

Re:South Park (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357015)

I believe the horros were as followed.

Lars Ulrich couldn't buy his gold encrusted shark pool bar. He would have to wait one more week until he could get it.

Brittney Spears had to downgrade from GolfStream 4 to the golfStream 3. This one doesn't even have a remote control for the integrated dvd surround sound system. Can you believe that.

Master P can't buy his some his own island. The FBI sees the future and that island will not have an owner.

Re:South Park (2, Informative)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357067)

God that episode was funny. Here's a link to the episode synopsis, and some downloads [southparkstudios.com] .

It's ep 709: "...When the other boys kick Cartman out of their band, Cartman pulls his own group together to make music for Jesus. Meanwhile, Stan, Kyle and Kenny are arrested for downloading music from the Internet."

It's not education (0, Redundant)

MacBrave (247640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356910)

It's more like intimidation and fear mongering by the RIAA......

South Park (-1, Redundant)

tbase (666607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356911)

If you missed it Wednesday night, be sure to check it out when it re-runs (Sunday night I think). Hillarious spoof on the RIAA and the impoverished artists.

Re:South Park (1)

pugdk (697845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356929)

You insensitive clod! How about us non-americans that get Southpark like 3 years later than you (lucky guys?) *whine*

Oh heck, for what it's worth I'd like some of the girls (Britney, Aguilera, Lopez) to be able to afford their snazzy tight clothes ;o), but the rest of the crowd doesn't deserve one penny!

-pug

Re:South Park (1)

taped2thedesk (614051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356958)

Just download the episode from kazaa. :-p

Re:South Park (0)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357046)

Personally, I'd rather Britney and Aguilera were naked, but, whatever mate...

Re:South Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357066)

Theres this thing called "DivX;-)" When you combine "TV Capture Card", "DivX;-)" and "P2P" or "Usenet" together, you get "popular televisions episodes via. the Internet". It's a proper miracle.

Thanks for checking the time stamps... (-1, Offtopic)

tbase (666607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357003)

Re:Thanks for checking the time stamps... (-1, Flamebait)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357077)

Stop your whining, luser.

Re:Thanks for checking the time stamps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357085)

That comment was pretty redundant, wouldn't you say? It cut-and-pastes part of the FAQ. So you deserved the "redundant" moderation; it was just on the wrong post.

Absolutely (5, Interesting)

GaelenBurns (716462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356914)

Compared to the average person, corporations have effectively infinite resources, so of course people aren't defending themselves.

All the same, I wish someone would fight the charge based on the lack of hard evidence. I'm referring to the easily spoofable search results that the RIAA is using as "proof" for its case. All we would need is one positive result and this lawsuit war would be over.

Ridiculous ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356916)

Hey MattW ... do you really think that ALL musicians are rich ?

Re:Ridiculous ... (1)

bitchx (322767) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356967)

All nusicians that lose revenue to Kazza are rich. Look at the sharing lists of people who they go after. Do you see any little indi artists there?

Re:Ridiculous ... (1)

the web (696015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357026)

Correction. They are the ones who make the RIAA rich.

Re:Ridiculous ... (4, Interesting)

tbase (666607) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356973)

Do you think being represented by an organization that puts millions into suing your customers on your behalf is going to help you get rich? Most struggling musicians I know embrace file trading as a way to get their music out there. If the RIAA succeeded in shutting down open p2p programs and scaring people away from downloading free music, the smaller musicians without big label backing would have a harder time getting the music out, just like they have a harder time getting it out on Internet and commercial radio stations since we've legislated our way out of choice and diversity. There's hardly any small stations online or on the air that you can actually go knock on a door and talk to someone about playing your music. It's not about all musicians being rich- it's about the RIAA only representing the outdated distribution channel, which only benefits the richest artists, if any. Even the "rich" ones aren't always rich - ever wonder how many of those Hummers, Jets and Mansions are either owned by the record label or a bank? By the time the artist has the promotional and production costs taken out of their royalties, there often isn't anything left. The big labels own their asses. I don't think his comment was meant to imply that all musicians are rich - I think it more likely that he was making the point that the majority of artists that are backing the RIAA and anti-customer actions are filthy, stinking rotten rich, or at least so they think.

Re:Ridiculous ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357081)

Show me an RIAA member-signed artists who didn't recieve millions of dollars as an advance at the very minimum and I'll start to believe you. Even the shittiest, most idiotic, mouth breathing retards of "artists" have millions in the bank and a million dollar house. The poor dears.

Earlier on today (1, Funny)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356919)

The RIAA [riaa.org] website was down, couldn't view the website, couldn't ping it or anything. I can't help but wonder if maybe the artical and the RIAA's server problems were somehow connected.

Musicians and Musicians (5, Informative)

mauddib~ (126018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356922)

"Musicians look so poor when I see them on television"

As an amateur musician I'm sad to read that. Actually most musicians have a hard time getting the ends together. Unfortunately, the 'selection' process of the record companies doesn't really help that problem, since they select more on sex appeal and neutralness than on musical abilities or originality.

For those musicians who are original and are making what I like to call "real music", it would be nice to have a little extra money to get their music out to the public.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356935)

"Real Musicians" as you put it, don't get their music downloaded. Get a real fucking job. Quit mooching off us!

Re:Musicians and Musicians (2, Interesting)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356951)

The musicians that you refer to have everything to GAIN from P2P file sharing, as it gives them another opportunity to get their music noticed by music fans. The ones who lose from P2P are those poor saps you see on MTV's "Cribs", who live in such appalling conditions...

Re:Musicians and Musicians (0)

akpcep (659230) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356979)

Hear hear.

As an independent musician, I use P2P as a free distribution network. But then, I am more interested in people hearing my stuff than getting rich. Luckily.
And here is where I plug my band [akp.org.uk] .

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

mauddib~ (126018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357024)

Oh yes, I am not against P2P file sharing at all! All I'm trying to say is that most 'real musicians' (which is totaly an oppinion), do not have the resources to get their music to the people *and* making a living.

Please understand that it takes a long time and alot of manhours to produce an album(especially if it is filled with original music, not like the stuff you usually hear on MTV). Most not commercially oriented musicians only do this because they enjoy the artform of it. Now come to understand that it is from the same musicians that new styles and genres are born.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356965)

But that`s what filesharing is for.

Have you ever considering making your songs availabe through P2P (that is, if you`re a composer)

It`s not filesharing that starves musicians, it`s monopoly and radyola. While Miss I`m-so-hot-shaking-my-bootylicious-ass makes big bucks, some artists earn nothing (and I mean, grat artists...)

Re:Musicians and Musicians (2, Informative)

lennart78 (515598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357043)

Making your music available on P2P will not give you any coverage at all. In order for people to start listening to your music, you must first confront them with it.

You could do that by sending demos to local or independent radiostations, by advertising yourself in musical magazines or by performing live.

However, if you want something in return for the hours and hours you spent at your computer or mixing console, and for the money you've invested in equipment, you could be happy if anyone buys your CD at a live gig for a crappy cheap amount, cause if it's out in the open on P2P, you can kiss any profit from 'sales of music' goodbye.

As a musician, I don't need to make a profit, because I allready have a job. If I would have to live off it however, it'd be a different story.
P2P could be well used to spread (low quality) demo-tracks, bootlegged live recordings and such, but unlimited freeloading will defenitely kill any kind of professionalism in music, and since there's a small market for amateur music...

The RIAA and MPAA's knee-jerk reactions to technological innovations will do more harm than good. They need to start looking to the future, and not the past. The same goes for the Internet P2P crowd however.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

Sentry21 (8183) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356984)

For those musicians who are original and are making what I like to call "real music", it would be nice to have a little extra money to get their music out to the public.

The poster was being sarcastic, incidentally. Looking at most artists nowadays, it doesn't seem like they're suffering - watch any rap video and listen to how they brag about having the bling bling. It's sad and pathetic.

The point the poster was making is that the RIAA isn't fighting for the artists, it's fighting for the labels (and itself). Even if you were signed on Sony or BMI, I'm certain you wouldn't see a dime. Either way, you don't want to be on a record label anyway. You'd just get fucked.

--Dan

Re:Musicians and Musicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356999)

If you can't make enough money as a musician, then get another job. You don't see me programming games for a living, because I know that despite me being good enough already, I need a BS. By the time I get a BS, all the jobs will be in India. So what do I do? I'm a phone tech for executives that are too good to listen to Indians help them, thus guaranteeing my job cannot be exported. I can honestly say that I am NOT doing what I want to, rather, like 95+% of Americans, I am doing what I have to, to make ends meet.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (3, Insightful)

jimfrost (58153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357033)

As an amateur musician I'm sad to read that. What he said. I'll grant that P2P has probably improved the sales of many musicians' music; for sure the easy mobility of MP3s has allowed my friends and I to more easily sample music, and I've bought more (and much more eclectic!) music as a result of that.

But it's worth remembering that there is a difference between sharing a clip and wholesale downloading. At some point in scale it stops being reasonable at starts being serious theft. When you've got people out there sharing tens of thousands of songs it's hard for me to see that as anything but a big rip-off and very hard for me to see why the RIAA should leave them alone.

I don't envy the RIAA their position, because this technology is going to be very hard for them to stop. And I agree with people who think that if they'd taken a softer stance on internet distribution earlier that they might have been able to leverage the technology rather than fighting it.

As for the musician's compensation, I think it would be very interesting to see if any of the money from these settlements actually made it to a musician. I know which way I would bet. If the musicians benefit from this at all, it's going to be from reduced wholesale copying, and really that's likely to benefit only the most popular musicians.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

Qzukk (229616) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357070)

"Musicians look so poor when I see them on television"

I think you missed the other point of this sarcastic stab... are the real musicians going to see a cent of this money? Or is the RIAA going to keep it all for their lawyers and themselves?

Re:Musicians and Musicians (3, Insightful)

weave (48069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357072)

For those musicians who are original and are making what I like to call "real music", it would be nice to have a little extra money to get their music out to the public.

Just curious, how much money have you received from these settlements? How much money have you received from the royalties imposed on blank music CDs (or all CDs in Canada)?

I'm guessing zero.

Have any artists received any payments from these settlements?

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

nathanh (1214) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357089)

For those musicians who are original and are making what I like to call "real music", it would be nice to have a little extra money to get their music out to the public.

Yeah, and settlements against 12 year olds who download Oops I Did It Again... I bet that money goes straight into helping those musicians making real music.

Hahahaha.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

SamDirty (720585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357100)

they select more on sex appeal

Doh! And I thought only hot blondes and guys with cool, highlighted hair could sing. The world as I know it is crumbling. I COULD HAVE BEEN A STAR! or something like that... I agree, this is a sad state.

Re:Musicians and Musicians (1)

kenthorvath (225950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357103)

For those musicians who are original and are making what I like to call "real music", it would be nice to have a little extra money to get their music out to the public.

But don't you see? That's the beauty of P2P, you don't NEED a ton of money to get your music out to the public, just put it up on KaZaa or the like, and it will be spread across the internet to a great many people who are actually INTERESTED in what you have created and not forced down their throats in some payola radio fashion.

P2P filesharing of copyrighted MP3's is what the people want. Make any moral arguments you want, but the fact remains that this is what 60 million people REALLY want. If you can make a living from making music because of it, well yes then that is a sad story, but "them's the breaks". Deal with it and the people who make music for love and hobby will continue to do so (myself included).

Check out southpark's take on downloading music! (-1, Redundant)

Chilliwilli (114962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356924)

Every body should watch South Park S07E09 for one of the funniest takes on the effect of download on musicians.

Can't recall any amazing quotes but I'm sure anyone that watched this on Wednesday would agree it hit the nail on the head.

Re:Check out southpark's take on downloading music (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356947)

Would anybody be so kind to spell out the quotes anyway? The RIAA and MPAA have really gotten on my nerves, and now I'm afraid to even launch Kazaa.

My Opinion Still Has NOT Changed... (-1, Flamebait)

Mr. Dop (708162) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356928)

F*** Them!

Re:My Opinion Still Has NOT Changed... (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357048)

If you mean the RIAA, then I agree with you. I haven't bought a music CD for almost two years.

Re:My Opinion Still Has NOT Changed... (0)

Mr. Dop (708162) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357097)

Yup Exactly my point. The only CD's I have purchased in the last 5 years have either been from the Artists directly or from other countries.

Justice != According to law (4, Insightful)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356941)


That's why some people refer to the US "Legal system" instead of "Justice System".

I'm not claiming that you have the right to make copies of things you buy, or listen to your music where you want, or go to the toilet during commercials ... Uhh, wait a minute, there is something clearly wrong here ..

Re:Justice != According to law (1)

kmonsen (606584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356974)

If all of us get involved in politics it can be a justice system instead of a legal system.
This is how democracy works, if you are not voting you should not complain.

Has anyone else noticed... (5, Insightful)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356943)

that on the RIAA [riaa.com] website the WHOLE of the front page (latest news) is covered with information about the court cases etc, they even have a complete Piracy Section [riaa.com] , it makes me wonder how they're helping artists when all they're doing is sueing the people who (might) buy their albums. Surely they shouldn't be doing stuff like helping young artists find work?

Re:Has anyone else noticed... (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357055)

And of course you know that none of the money from the lawsuits actually go to the musicians, it goes into their pockets. So all those ad we saw back (yes i know they were for the MPAA) of people who get hurt by piracy... are still hurting. None of the money from the lawsuits goes to them.

That explains.... (1, Funny)

LittleGuy (267282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356948)

... the slightly-used "Mission Accomplished!" banner hanging outside his office.

Follow the money (4, Insightful)

DjMd (541962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356949)

CowboyNeal wrote "It warms my heart to know that artists will be getting all the money that's due to them. Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve."

I would have a lot less problem paying for music and even paying in these settlements, but you know damn well that the artists aren't even going to see 1 cent on the dollar... This is just going to pay record companies.
More likely right into Cary Sherman's pocket...

Re:Follow the money (1)

kmonsen (606584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357011)

Then buy music from different labels.

Stealing music is still stealing (1, Flamebait)

kmonsen (606584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356954)

Although I am in no way defending the lawsuits, stealing music is still stealing. It is bad karma and not something we should aprove of. If you want the music pay the price, if not look elsewhere.

I hereby claim... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357028)

...the "It's copyright infringement, not theft" post. All others should be appropriately moderated redundant.

Re:I hereby claim... (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357093)

I hereby claim the "it's just semantics" post.

Re:Stealing music is still stealing (0)

atcdevil (700926) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357056)

Heh wow... someone doesn't agree with the rest of the crowd and it's flamebait. Interesting system here on slashdot...

Re:Stealing music is still stealing (1)

Corpsesarecute (713522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357065)

The beauty of P2P (or what the beauty should be... stupid RIAA and indutry labels for not catching on) is that it provides a capitalistic option to going through the labels for music. The labels need to realize that by charging so much for such a crappy album with maybe, if you're lucky, a handful of good songs is counter productive and causing the whole problem to begin with. If not for absurd prices, I know I myself would buy more actual physical music instead of stealing the absurd ammount that I do. I consider myself a generally moral person and if the labels want me to buy their product, they have to make it affordable for me, and the rest of poor college-ish America that they so desperately target yet so thoroughly exclude from participation through absurdly inflated prices, then they need to cath on and lower prices. Hey RIAA and industry labels: Welcome to America and capitalism. Sure suks that we're now the ones screw you, huh?

Re:Stealing music is still stealing (1)

kmonsen (606584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357090)

But that is their choice. If you are taking their music and sharing/downloading it, then you are stealing (sorry, copyright infringing).

How hard is it to just stay away from the music they provide?

The "message" (5, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356956)

Is bullshit. Digital media have cut the legs away from traditional music distribution, and the RIAA are just trying to stop the sea from rising. They could sue the entire populace, it will change nothing.

Music - like technology, writing, science - represents human heritage and human culture and the era where small groups control access to this for commercial gain is over, finished, and now it's just time to bury the stinking corpse and go for a real party.

There are so many good ways of rewarding creative effort, it's a pollution of the concept of "art" to pretend that money is all that matters. Luckily, almost no-one is fooled.

News at 11 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356960)

Million of jews dead proves the nazis were right.

Metallicops (-1)

Fireal (625244) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356966)

"Jason Newsted just bought his first motherf***ing gold-plated Ferrari!"
--(the flash cartoon representation of...) Lars Ulrich, Metallica

Re:Metallicops (0)

SamDirty (720585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357023)

I loved those Napster flash cartoons! We used to play them over and over (while downloading) and LOFAO. I still have them tucked away...somewhere. Beer, good.

Old School (2, Insightful)

SamDirty (720585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356970)

I still say that I won't buy any more music until I can DL it directly from a musician's site and know that they are collecting the money, not thier pimp. I have no problem paying for talent, but I do have a problem paying a promoter. Why don't more artists try to distribute music this way? Until that day comes I will just dust off the tape recorder and rip from the radio, old school. XM + Recorder = Mad beats.

Re:Old School (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357042)

It's not really your problem to have. If the musicians you respect have no problem paying a promoter, what business is it of yours?

I suppose when you eat out you demand to pay the farmers that grew the food and refuse to pay the middle men?

Worrying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356976)

If the RIAA believe their "lessons" are doing good, does that mean more will be spawned and they believe they are correct in this?

That's it, I'm going to steal a car and get away with it, and because I got away with it that makes it right. So says the RIAA any way.

You know there is something wrong.... (2, Interesting)

mAineAc (580334) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356977)

With the basis of the lawsuits when even the musicians [yahoo.com] are blasting the lawsuits as wrong.

copyright infringement is still illegal (2, Interesting)

MikeHunt69 (695265) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356978)

" It warms my heart to know that artists will be getting all the money that's due to them. Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve."

Just because the RIAA are using shitty tactics, dosen't mean you should be allowed to infringe copyright. It's currently illegal and if Musicians *are* getting a raw deal, then they should get the money that is owed to them.

Also remember that all the props you see on MTV are funded by the record company. Why do you think rappers need to start their own clothing company?

TOM PETTY CAN BLOW MY JOINT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7356980)

HAHAHA, ya FSCK all them artists crying about losing part of their inflated income. I haven't paid for a cd in at least 5 years and I will NEVER pay for one again. I figure all that time I did pay for cds makes up for the rest of my lifetime of "stealing" them. If they are actually good then I pay to see them in concert so they don't have anything to be worried about. Seriously though the government needs to shut these crying b1tches up, hiding behind their fat ugly mother AKA the RIAA.

Comments like this really get my goat.... (5, Insightful)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356982)

Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve.

Musicians that you get to see on TV that is.

Many musicians struggle on in obscurity, the cost of equipment and getting publicity taking everything they make out of music. Others, like myself just walk away from it all and get an office job.

Even those that you see on TV aren't really benefitting, with the exception of the few real superstars (Eminem, Madonna etc). The record companies like their charted artists to look rich, so they dress them up in expensive clothes and send them to flashy parties in fancy cars -- then send them the bill for it.

The average artist incurs more costs over the term of his contract than his earnings. As a result of "being in debt" to his record company, the company can then demand that the artist does not record for anyone else, even though they don't want to record him themselves. The artist then cannot record and loses his chosen way of earning a living.

Don't blame the artists for the work of the RIAA: we're as much victims of the music industry cartels as the consumer.

Re:Comments like this really get my goat.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357004)

which is why they shouldnt sign up with the RIAA in the first place. there are plenty of musicians doing fine without them. happily more and more.

Re:Comments like this really get my goat.... (0)

szmccauley (667273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357017)

I agree, but it was CowboyNeal and most of his commentary is even less insightful than mine.

Besides, if you're going to blame musicians, you should at least pick Lars and go with that.

Fuck Metallica.

Motorhead is better anyway.

My Response (2, Interesting)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356994)

Be beligerent...

Send them a doodle of an octopus giving them the finger 8 times.

I'd suggest that we all break into record stores and destroy the CDs, but insurance would cover it and we gain nothing.

No, it's easier to settle than to fight. If I got the letter, the one condition of my settlement would be that I get an invoice of who gets what ammount of the payment. Then I'd call up all the artists on the list and let them know that I'm glad my 35 cents contributed to their new Ferarri.

Maybe it's time to start selling a dead-man switch for our PCs. Just use an open WAP as your switch and you will be covered. When they sue you, thermite your hard-drives and then claim that someone else used your WAP to download that stuff...

Nice objective piece (3, Interesting)

mr_z_beeblebrox (591077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356996)

Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve.

First, musicians won't get the money they deserve. The minions and scumbags around them will get the lions share. Second, do you like music and enjoy listening to recordings? If so you should pay for that convenience. Artists SHOULD get paid commensurate with the amount of people they make happy. Top 40 stars are listened to by millions of people and thus should make millions of dollars. Alternative underground bands may have 100s or 1000s of followers and should make money that supports that level. Just because Cowboy Neal does not believe that creating something that will make 1000s of people sit and relax and listen for a couple of minutes is a worthwhile endeavour doesn't mean that it isn't. I consider slashdot to be my source of "press" on these issues, it would be nice to see it treated as such. Artists deserve their licensing to be respected just like programmers do wether you agree with the license model or not.

The artists DONT get the money... (1)

thumbtack (445103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7356998)

Cary Sherman has stated before the money collected will go to the enforcemnt process, not the artists or even their masters, err labels...

LA Times said in this story [latimes.com] "The proceeds from any trials or settlements will be kept by the RIAA to cover the cost of its anti-piracy campaigns, rather than being used to compensate labels and artists."

Uhhhh most musicans ARE poor (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357001)

Its only a small minority of musicians that get the 'blessing' of the RIAA, and thus make it big.

Most just barely make a living.

However this does NOT justify what the RIAA is doing, I just hate to see real musicians lumped into the same group as the 'superstars' ( i.e. sellouts )

Southpark episode (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357010)

saw a cool new episode of southpark about filesharing last wednesday :) it was hilarious and meaningful.

The Mafia says the same thing (2, Insightful)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357016)

'The fact that the overwhelming majority of those who received the visit by Guido and Slash contacted us and were eager to resolve the protection money issue is another clear signal that the Mafia's education and enforcement campaign is getting the message out.'

Nice server you've got here, shame if anything happened to it...

Well, this is what you get with a govt like yours (-1, Flamebait)

fuckfuck101 (699067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357032)

You yanks have a hard time of choosing bad goverments, you make your own bed, now die in it.

Waiting for an oops (1, Funny)

Forkenhoppen (16574) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357034)

Personally, I'm waiting for them to screw up and sue one of their own. I can't wait for "Michael Bolten gets busted for sharing Puff Daddy mp3s" to show up in the news. ;)

What the hell? (2, Insightful)

bunhed (208100) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357052)

Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve.

That's not what this is about. It's not about the musicians at all you dim wit. It about the corporations that are hiding behind the musicians and art in general with regard to this issues. Get educated before making comments like this because you are not helping if you are as ignorant as the RIAA.

Flamebait that must be reiterated... (4, Insightful)

flamingdog (16938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357053)

Not entirely flamebait, please finish before modding down...

Mainstream music sucks anyway. Get over it and stop downloading it for the simple fact that it sucks.

That said, if you actually want to support an artist, don't ever buy their albums. Instead, go to their shows and buy their merchandise. Most of the time, this money goes directly to them. This is almost always true for small bands on small labels. I haven't bought a record in 6 years because I know not a single cent is going to the artist unless I buy that album straight from them or it was DIY released. Instead, all the money I would have spent on records, I use to buy shirts, stickers, posters, pins, and what the hell ever straight from the band when I go to see them.

Pah! (3, Insightful)

DaneelGiskard (222145) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357059)

Sorry to sound harsh, but I prefer to chose on my own _who_ educates me and _on what_. The sentence about "the RIAA educating the music community" just gets on my nerves.

I'm not worried... (5, Funny)

pointbeing (701902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357063)

I signed up for the RIAA Do-Not-Call List.

What if there was a SDAA (1)

matchlight (609707) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357074)

What if there was a Software Development Artists Association that ran rampant throughout the US finding people who shared the applications and sued them? Would /. be as quick to scorn that action? Would we say "Heck with SDAA, we shouldn't pay for software from large companies." Wouldn't that affect a significant percentage of the people using this site?
I know I don't like the idea of the code I write for the company that pays me being used without compensation. If you don't want to pay, there are Open Source alternatives. We should consider that if we don't want to pay for music, we should go to the local pub or find indie music instead.
I have a lot of problems with the music industry from their legal tactics to their pricing (Seriously, it's 10-20 songs, for $20.00, that's nuts.) but they're still following the basic principle that we're not allowed to steal.

They still dont get the $ (0)

LumberLumber (585007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7357087)

Artists dont see a cent of this settlement money!

The RIAA recycles the cash to pay for more law suits with it. This whole situation is nothing but lawers getting paid to fuck with the common people.

--dan

your loosing me, try squelching out the noise... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7357094)

It warms my heart to know that artists will be getting all the money that's due to them. Musicians always look so poor when I see them on television. Finally, they can afford the lifestyle they deserve.
Sounds suspiciously close to "since they are rich then they won't mind me stealing from them." If you can't get a job (key word CAN'T), have children to feed, etc and then you steal some food to eat then call me and I will gladly help you out. Last I checked, music and movies are not required for you to live and frankly since many like myself understand how to budget and not spend our money on that stuff unless the important requirements are first satisfied... I am annoyed at the tone here.

Don't get me wrong, the RIAA and the MPAA are a bunch of bloated, jack-booted thugs that I would dearly love to see eradicated from the face fo the Earth. However, I just don't understand why the justification/sentiment is still so popular that when stealing music and movies it is somehow in response to the decadence of the RIAA, MPAA, and its "members" of actors and musicians.

Just steal the stuff and be done with it. If you feel the need to justify your actions when there is no real judgement (as in no judgement that matters, like in a court of law) levied against you than clearly you have internal guilt issues and should sit down and think things over. Stop being pathetic losers. Stop trying to justify your choices. Stop confusing entertainment with life and liberty. If you don't like their tactics then don't support them. Refuse to see the Matrix and Return of the King. Refuse to buy the next 1337 music album from "Cool Seattle Rip Off Band #39371." I can't remember the last time I went to a movie or obtained a music CD (bought, had a buddy burn it, etc). Have some balls, and stop being little whining bitches. Do something about the problem, don't make the problem worse. (No, war of attrition is not part of the solution and YES, your dollar is your vote of approval when you give it out)

Stop being whining bitches

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