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Credit Card Sized Concept PDA from Citizen

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the incredible-shrinking-handhelds dept.

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chris writes "Citizen has unveiled a miniature PDA concept considerably smaller than existing PDAs. The 60 x 90 x 9.3mm 16-colour grayscale PDA is just a bit bigger then a credit card." A bit too large to stow in one's wallet, but it's still a slick form factor, easily hid in a pocket. It runs ITRON4 for an OS, and the battery life is rated at 30 hours.

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PC card PDA (1, Interesting)

David_Bloom (578245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369371)

Didn't X[something] release a PC-card sized PDA a long time ago? About the same size. It was cool because it could sync with the PC card slot in a laptop

Re:PC card PDA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369386)

Yes, I remember it too. It wasn't that popular. I think it was rolodex.

Re:PC card PDA (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369420)

It was called REX and I had one, it's probably still around somewhere. Yes, it was a PCMCIA form-factor so you could sync it with a laptop easily. Didn't have a touch screen though, so no real mobile input abilities. Here's an old review I found with a picture: http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/rex5k1/

Re:PC card PDA (1)

Apro+im (241275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369405)

Xirlink - the REX - I have one (though it seems broken - apparently it wasn't up to the rigours of living in my pocket)

Re:PC card PDA (2, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369411)

That's what went through my mind too. Rexx was the name IIRC and I think Franklin purchased the productline. This "concept" has a much larger screen resolution though.

seems everybodies got a PDA these days.

LoB

Re:PC card PDA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369413)

The "REX"? I think it was either Franklin or Xircom. Yes it was a PDA that synced through the PCMCIA slot.

You're thinking of the REX 6000 (2, Informative)

Thag (8436) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369434)

The REX 6000 [rex6000.org] was a similarly sized PDA that came out shortly after the Palm Pilot. I recall it had the serious limitation that you couldn't input data on it, but it was very tiny.

This one seems a little more powerful, and can probably do data input.

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (3, Funny)

Uma Thurman (623807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369487)

Can't input data on the PDA? I've got a PDA like that. I carry it inside my skull. It's also made of meat.

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (1)

Izanagi (466436) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369607)

I'm laughing because your brains made of meat!! WTF?

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (2, Funny)

Uma Thurman (623807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369624)

My brain can only imagine what it tastes like.

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369627)

Brains and meat [bozosoft.com] ; hey, they're all from the same animal, why not.

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (3, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369602)

" I recall it had the serious limitation that you couldn't input data on it, but it was very tiny."

Yes, that's true. It was more of a display device than a PDA. I have a watch made by Fossil like that. It's a big, very big watch. (Surprisingly comfy tho..) Also, it only syncs with my PocketPC and not my laptop. Still, it was handy to have around. I'm a little surprised there isn't a market for teeny little read only devices like that. My watch was great for storing stuff like business trip information.

Re:You're thinking of the REX 6000 (1)

ipxodi (156633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369645)

There was also talk of making a version that could sync to the Springboard slot on a Handspring Visor. But before it came off the drawing board, the market turned to CF Cards slots, etc. Would've been cool to have though -- a "shuttlecraft" for my Visor....

Re:PC card PDA (1)

qedigital (545151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369440)

I had a Rex too. While the small size of that product and this one from Citizen makes it ultra-portable, it also greatly increases the chance of loss or breakage. No matter how careful I was with my Rex, it met its inevitable end in the washing machine.

Re:PC card PDA (1)

David_Bloom (578245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369483)

My Sony CLIE PEG-S320 went in the washing machine. It survived. I still use it :D

Re:PC card PDA (1)

NeoAndTrinityDieInRe (720914) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369559)

I remember that exact thing. Does anyone have any more info on this?

omg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369380)

can it be true? is the first post mine? thank you, i would like to thank the academy, cmdr taco, and jesus christ. you really like me!

Re:omg (0)

Ads are broken (718513) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369385)

You are a complete failure and an embarassment.

Re:omg (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369392)

you hurt my feelings! shut up! also, who are you to talk you didn't get the first post you FUCKING JERK.

Re:omg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369452)

He did have FP three [slashdot.org] times [slashdot.org] already [slashdot.org] , bitch.

NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369381)

Sorry to spoil it.

Re:NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (0, Offtopic)

kaden (535652) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369388)

I don't think you're sorry at all.

Re:NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (-1, Offtopic)

goosh947 (720911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369466)

OK you are one sad and immature sonofabitch. You just ruined possibly one of the most intriguing movies of all time. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I ask you to either talk about something worthwhile or leave.

Re:NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369517)

And you and the other guy who replid to him and brought this thread back to the front page are complete idiots. You could have at least insulted him as ACs and saved the karma bonus to your pointless insults.

Re:NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (0, Offtopic)

jbardell (677791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369529)

I find it funny that you didn't change the subject of this post before responding. Oh the irony.

Re:NEO AND TRINITY DIE, MATRIX NOT DESTROYED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369623)

That was the shit. Power to spoilers!

Missing ITRON article link (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369382)

Guess the /. editors forgot to include a link to this [slashdot.org] ITRON4 article on /.

Re:Missing ITRON article link (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369430)

Har har, that were a good, you imbecilic excuse for a human being. It must be terrible to be unliked by everybody you meet, and be an emarrasement to your family. I pity you. I hope, for your sake, that you choke on a chicken bone during dinner and shuffle off this mortal coil. Believe me, it'll be easier than facing the rest of your so-called life. Again, you have my pity.

hahahaha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369456)

YHBT

Another related reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369475)

right here [slashdot.org]

--
An insightful signature can make a troll post seem insightful and informative.

"grammer" is going to shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369384)

The 60 x 90 x 9.3mm 16-colour grayscale PDA is just a bit bigger then a credit card.

It's "than", you insensitive clod!

Re:"grammar" is going to shit [fixed] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369433)

The 60 x 90 x 9.3mm 16-colour grayscale PDA is just a bit bigger then a credit card.

It's "than", you insensitive clod!


How about "just a little larger than a credit card"? GOD!

Re:"grammar" is going to shit [fixed] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369442)

I like "slightly less smaller than," myself.

NEO LETS SMITH TAKE HIM OVER, TRINITY DIES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369391)

The Matrix continues to exist.

Sorry to spoil it.

Re:NEO LETS SMITH TAKE HIM OVER, TRINITY DIES (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369415)

One day Neo was maiming his cock with a horseshoe when suddenly Morpheus ran up to him and shoved his pointy ear up his butt. "What is this for!" the fag captain said. "FAGS FOR YOU AALL!L!!!" the ancient nigger howled as suddenly he farted and Neo twirled around in a daze and his foreskin twisted and his kidney stones turned into wooden beads. He pulled out his pistol and shot lasers at his chastity belt and suddenly he hurdled his dick into Neo"s bellybutton and it tore his flesh while Morpheus fucked his stomach. Neo hollered out loud and Morpheus threw his shoes to the floor and wrinkled his penis until Neo bellowed out to make it stop. A maelstom of shit whizzed around the ship and suddenly a giant fag appeared out side and the Nebuchadnezzar went up his butt. "Oh what the hell have you gotten us into NOW!" Neo said as he oozed a condom back on his dick and put his panties back on. "OOH!H!!!!!!" Morpheus started fucking him again and shoved his phazer up his butt. He dissolved his glands and exploded his turds and finally a queer sentinel hurdled through the door and smashed Neo with his butt hairs. A maniac sucked his dick and suddenly Morpheus fagged Neo so hard that his intestines burst open and he died.

Only getting smaller... (3, Insightful)

Qweezle (681365) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369393)

PDA's are only going to get smaller, and more powerful, as time marches on, much like microcomputers did in the 1980s and early 90's, and now we're at a point where they are all equally diminuitive. The same thing will essentially happen with PDAs...soon, we will all have PDAs which we can watch movies on, play music on, surf the web via our phone or WiFi on, or perhaps even it may be a phone as well, and etc. These will fit into a slot in our wallet for credit cards...and they may even dually serve as credit cards. Especially with the coming of OLED displays and nanotechnology, this all looks very certain to happen some time. Exciting!

Re:Only getting smaller... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369444)

go change your underwear, fuckstick.

Re:Only getting smaller... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369447)

I fucked your mother, and it was good.
I fucked you up, and it was better.

Asshole.

$200! (4, Insightful)

PaintyThePirate (682047) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369394)

For $200, I really can't see this becoming a hot product. The average consumer would rather buy a $200 Palm or Pocket PC. They are just as pocketable as Citizen's concept (unless you have really small pants) plus they have color screens and multimedia capabilities.

Next gen? (2, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369399)

So by the time these form factor devices get 32 bit colour, a 640x480 res screen, Linux, GPS add on cards, cameras etc and people are talking about them as good laptop replacements should we be looking out for a new prototype the size of a stamp? How many iterations before I can finally buy one of those nano-scale PDAs I have always dreamed of?

Re:Next gen? (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369441)

Thats almost the problem I have, I dont want to carry a PDA, Phone, MP3 Player and Camera, and have a nice thumbboard for typing. Nothing exists yet, but the Nokia 7700 [nokia.com] is out, and we will see it in the USA in 3 months. Almost everything but the darn thumb-board.

Just dont care for for SSH'ing without a thumb-board. Personal choice, but this offers everything but. Same size as the NGage, but has a true 640x480 screen. Thou I think you hold it taco style to talk.

The problem with that credit card size PDA, looks like it would break in half. Thou 320x240 screen size is healthy.

Re:Next gen? (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369719)

Except the Nokia 7700 doesn't have a 640x480 screen but a 640x320 one. Not a huge deal- I was able to do 80x25 (and wider if I wanted) SSH/telneting on a 640x240 Jornada 720.

It shouldn't be long until there is something with all of that. There are many devices with all but one of those things. There are plenty of PDAs with a MP3 player, camera, thumboard, and bluetooth. That setup, along with a bluetooth phone and you've got the WAN net access. Yeah, you'd have to carry around a phone too, but for the time being a real phone seems to be the better choice.

What I wish I could get is a tiny cellular module that is bluetooth enabled to which I could connect from my PDA for net access. I don't like cell phones or hell, the phone in general. I don't like to talk to people on the blabber box. But, I still would like an inexpensive little box that would give my chosen computer, be it laptop or PDA, network access. I don't want to have to worry about getting a new phone if I want to switch providers, or if I want to get a newer, faster or otherwise better PDA I don't want to have to worry about the status of my contract, etc etc. There are a number of reasons to keep the phone business on a card or happy little box, especially for a person like me who uses his PDA as my main computer and upgrades relatively often.

P.S. Why the hell do you keep saying "Thou?" I thinkest thou should start sayething tho or though methinks it dear Sire.

Re:Next gen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369560)

QUOTE: How many iterations before I can finally buy one of those nano-scale PDAs I have always dreamed of?
Right now! I'll show the floor model to you. Now where did i put it...

ouch my freakin eyes... (2, Funny)

pocopoco (624442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369402)

Look at that screen, it's hideous. It's tough to believe people used to accept that on a PDA...

*goes back to playing with color VGA Zaurus PDA*
Yumm..

Re:ouch my freakin eyes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369482)

Thats cos it's a printout of black ink on grey cardboard. It's still a concept.

The nameless concept will be priced at $200 at an undetermined release date.

No name, not being made yet, no release date... but it'll cost $200. Almost as accurate an article as:

"Apple will release a new powermac later this decade. The nameless concept mac will be priced at $2999 and have an as yet unnamed CPU. It'll run MacOS"

Sure it's small... (3, Insightful)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369404)

...but how are you supposed to hold it without getting your fingers on the screen or touchpad? I know minituarization is the name of a game, but when you're talking human computer interaction is it really the best way to go?

Re:Sure it's small... (5, Funny)

eidolons (708050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369488)

...and how long before you lose the damn thing? As electronics get exponentially smaller, we're shelling out more and more loads of $ for tiny little gadgets.

What happens if you get your pants stolen (I don't want to imagine the scenario where this would happen, but bear with me) when you're carrying your mp3, your cell phone, and your pda and who knows what else? Soon our laptops will be the size of credit cards (that unfold or something for the screen). We don't need house insurance anymore, we need pants insurance. You know what? I think I'll invest in pants insurance. Listen, you heard it here first.

Re:Sure it's small... (2, Funny)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369508)

What happens if you get your pants stolen
BEWARE...The dangers of wearable computing!

This calls for... (1)

Firethorn (177587) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369557)

Emergency Pants! [sluggy.com]

Re:Sure it's small... (1)

Ilan Volow (539597) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369568)

If you're really worried about pants getting stolen, wear a kilt instead and keep your second mobile most important mobile device next to your first one.

You'd have to lick it... (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369601)

... and stick it to your forehead. :-)

Re:Sure it's small... (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369698)

"...but how are you supposed to hold it without getting your fingers on the screen or touchpad? "

You honestly couldn't figure out how to hold it with your fingers in such a way that you wouldn't touch the screen? How about by the sides, like how you're supposed to hold CDs.

And while it may not be the most ergonomic design in the world, its goal is not ergonomics, rather, its goal is to miniaturize, and it has done that.

"I MADE IT FOR HIM" LAST WORDS OF REVOLUTIONS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369406)

Neo let's Smith take him over, than the machines unplug him, blowing up all the Smiths.

Trinity is impaled in a crash-landing on the way to the Machine City.

The Matrix is not destroyed. The last scene is in a park with Seraph, the Architect, the Oracle, and Sati, watching a sunset. Sati says, "I made it for him." The machines cart away Neo's body.

Sorry to spoil it.

Re:"I MADE IT FOR HIM" LAST WORDS OF REVOLUTIONS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369418)

F' you. Stop this stupidity or I'll ping your ass.

Who Teh FUXOR Is SATI? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369740)

Teh MATRIXOR AM TEH SUXOR.

Seriously once they started the cheesy sophomoric philosopha I got sick of it.

Green, Obviously CG, Sophomorc...THE MATRIX.

OH YA, NOW LIXOR MAH MASON DIXON BIOTCH.

Oxymoron alert! (5, Funny)

cliffy2000 (185461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369409)

"16-colour grayscale"
I know what they mean, but it's a little misleading.

Is gray not a color? (1)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369677)

If you pick it, does it not show as different from any other gray? Would gray by any other name be as 133t?

Oh heck, it sounded funnier when I thought of it. Now it just sounds -1 overrated.

Re:Oxymoron alert! (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369840)

You certainly shouldn't say that "16-bit" color equates to 65536 colors anymore. Lots of those are greys. Taking out all greys, black and white, that would leaving 65278 colors or 15.99431 bit color. Yeah.

Whoops (5, Informative)

r_glen (679664) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369410)

The company link is wrong. Correct address is here [citizenwatch.com]

Is it just me? (4, Insightful)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369414)

Or are these getting too small to be useful? Really, if I need to read info off it, and more importantly enter info into it, it's just too dang small.

Re:Is it just me? (2, Insightful)

POds (241854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369451)

depends on what you want to use it for. It'd be usful as a notepad like applications to take down notes or whatever in meetings etc...

What would be good is to able to use it as a PCI as someoen said there is something like that! And an application on the PC or whatever would take the notes off the device and using OCR (or whatever that technology for identifying characters was) or something similar, convert the notice to normal text tob e used in a word processor or something :)!

Theres possibilities for this thing. We've just got keep an open mind, but not too opened that it will fall out, as someone said on slashdot once! :)

Re:Is it just me? (1)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369639)

Oh, I agree with you 100%, this could be a useful device... but not a standalone device... I can't use it easily to enter notes or read them for that matter, it's great to transport data, and in a pinch, be able to read it (although it's not easy by the looks of it, too high a resolution in too small an area will result in fonts that are painfully small, or not enough screen space at a decent dpi)

I don't see how this is any better than a USB key chain thingy with an LCD... I can't use it for anything but a transport medium... sure, it's form is closer to a credit card... that's about all the positives I see for this device compared to a USB key chain device.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

POds (241854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369787)

Maybe one day these will be actual credit cards... And instead of having several cards such as key cards, master cards, visa, Ami Express, debit cards, etc... all you have to do is upload some software to the card and presto! :)

You could also put your driver licence in there for identification your photo etc.

A new type of platic!

Re:Is it just me? (1)

POds (241854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369800)

plastic, a new type of plastic :)

Re:Is it just me? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369532)

I know my old Palm V and now m515 are bigger than I'd like. And this new thing has has 3 times as many pixels as they do, and gets far better battery life than my m515 (I've decided the bigger battery and shorter battery life for a color screen on a PDA aren't worth it.)

I would like to try one!

Smaller, or Larger? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369416)

PDAs are heading in two directions. Some people want larger displays (face it, the limiting factor on a PDA is how much you can cram on the surface respectably - keyboard, large screen, every connector up the wazoo, etc). And smaller, who want an even more portable device... so the good question is, what are we gonna end up with - implantable PDAs and PDAs that are mini-laptops?

Re:Smaller, or Larger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369652)

Remember the scrolls of the old days? When those displays come out from R&D, perhaps this market will see more adoption.

Smaller PDA -- that's what I need (4, Funny)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369423)

I've been waiting for a mini PDA for quite a long time now. My old, huge PDA is certainly too easy to operate. I can even read the screen without a magnifying glass! It's not "cool" at all.

Ever hear of the REX? (4, Informative)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369424)

This concept is not new or original. The original Rex was even grayscale! I thought it was really nifty because it doubled as a PCMCIA card; just pop it in your laptop and sync up. A PDA actually light enough to fit in a shirt pocket. Though mostly only good for addresses, clock, calculator, to-do list...what you need really, but no games to waste time with.

Re:Ever hear of the REX? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369474)

Exactly, must this PDA run linux too? I use notepads and pencils right now because I cannot even afford a $250 [malefactor.org] laptop right now and I can use an old HP 48 calculator for any visualizations. Unless you are doing audio/video manipulation why do you need anything more powerful than a 200-400mhx laptop?

Re:Ever hear of the REX? (1)

hank_pym (141652) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369604)

No, nor should the lack of originality be too much of a shock, given that Citizen was part of the group that designed and manufactured the REX. (Motorola, Franklin, and Citizen) As it stands, this looks to be roughly the size of a REX with touch-screen data entry added.

This could've been a Palm Pilot killer back in the day, but I fail to see a market for this in the States. I don't see anyone making headway against the Palm/PocketPC duopoly here...

Re:Ever hear of the REX? (3, Informative)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369670)

As it stands, this looks to be roughly the size of a REX with touch-screen data entry added.

The later REX models did have touch-screen data entry. My roomate had a REX up until recently when his dumb ass set on it at some angle that broke it. Anywho, he could enter text- a new appointment, note, todo, whatever- using an on-screen keyboard, and tap various widgets using the touchscreen.

It was a really nice little device, not capable whatsoever compared to most of the PDAs you could buy for the same price (he spent ~$200 around 1.5-2 years ago), but really small and enough for what he wanted.

IIRC, the REX had very little RAM and a very slow (1-3 MHz Z80) CPU, but it got great batter life on its two lil watch batteries for normal use. He tried using it as an ebook reader but found that having it on constanltly killed batteries.

Re:Ever hear of the REX? (2)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369724)

The neatest thing I ever saw on the web, period, was when about the second or so model of Rex came out. There was an application (don't remember if it was Java or Flash) that was an exact onscreen emulation of the Rex. You could do anything with it that you could do with a real Rex, except put it in your pocket and take it with you. Definitely head and shoulders above some of the "simulations" you see nowadays for some products, where all you can do is open a door or turn it over or something.

IIRC, Eagle does have downloadable simulations of their fishfinders that are about the same level of coolness.

Prior art (0, Redundant)

naitro (680425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369428)

The Rex [rex6000.org] .

Seems quite nice though.

truth stranger than reality (2, Interesting)

poptones (653660) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369445)

Reminds me of this [theapplecollection.com] .

I think it's cool enough to be the first PDA I'd actually plunk down cash on. but it's still lacking in two areas: it's not quite small enough (the front should just be ALL screen, or at most just a narrow frame around it) and it's not in color. I suspect it also would not have the horsepower to play 320x240 xvid movies, which it really needs along with a teeny camera.

That system, with one of those 1GB microdrives for storage, would make a killer pocket computer. Use it to record notes, video, and watch and listen. Type? Who needs to type? Just record everything and let the sync software on the home PC do the rest.

Cold fusion discovered, or...? (5, Funny)

Timmeh (555676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369686)

So what are you hoping for, about 37 seconds of battery life?

NEO LETS SMITH TAKE HIM OVER; TRINITY DIES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369446)

The Matrix is not destroyed. It continues to exist.

Sati reforms the Matrix.

Sorry to spoil it.

just one step closer to my dream.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369459)

..of a rectally-fitted PDA that can be controlled by sphincter motions, and outputs to a projection screen on the inside of my glasses via a wireless connection, using the salinity of my body fluids as an antenna.

I've been practicing input techniques for years, with stuff I found around the house (bit of rubber tubing, an old fluourescent lamp, raw zucchini). I've come up with a great way to enter words at roughly 3-4 per minute. Sadly, none of the major PDA manufacturers seem interested in my ideas for input methods (even Apple, you'd think they'd be all over an anthropomorphic design like this).

A man can dream, can't he??

Re:just one step closer to my dream.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369542)

Most Mac users already use their mouse that way. That's why it only has one button, btw.

Ugly "Advertisement" (0, Offtopic)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369467)

See the Left Slashbox with 'Advertisement' and an ugly Towering Inferno banner ad? ('Towering Inferno' refers to its vertical orientation and its being a huge catastrophe at the same time.) I guess /., OSDN , VA is feeling a cash crunch? At least blend it into the page...

Re:Ugly "Advertisement" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369678)

After repeated reloads, I still don't see it.

Too little, too late. (1, Insightful)

Dr. Mu (603661) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369471)

The screen is almost unreadable. And the price? $200!! Come on! This isn't 1999! Nowadays, you can get a better-equipped Palm Zire for less than half that. And the size difference? Irrelevant, IMO.

TRINITY DIES, NEO MAKES TRUCE THAN DIES BY SMITH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369717)

The Matrix isn't destroyed.

Sorry to spoil it.

Re:TRINITY DIES, NEO MAKES TRUCE THAN DIES BY SMIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369818)

really? How you know :O?

Webchat KC Blunders (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369480)

[May 27, 2003 Tuesday 08:28:31 PM] Kc do you have photographic memory?
[May 27, 2003 Tuesday 08:28:56 PM] I have pornographic memory
[May 27, 2003 Tuesday 08:28:58 PM] hahahah

irc.webchat.org #spiderslair

[credit goes to neal]

Rex did this years ago (1, Redundant)

sh0rtie (455432) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369486)

remember the REX [rex6000.org] pmcmia sized pda from back in '98 or so ?, had only 256kb memory but had basic pda functions/contact mem/phonebook/calc etc, (made by rex or franklin and was sold in those gadget mags) one side was a b&w screen with a simple nav if i recall it was only 100$ then, the cool bit was you could just put in a standard laptop without any adaptors and sync it

certainly not a new concept, just no one has ever pulled it off properly (probably because battery technology hasnt evolved anywhere significant)

NEO MAKES TRUCE WITH MACHINES BEFORE DYING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369625)

Trinity is impaled and dies.

The Matrix isn't destroyed.

Sorry to spoil it.

Wow (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369536)

Do you think they could do one that's debit-card sized?

NEO AND TRINITY DIE HUMANS AND MACHINES MAKE TRUCE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369538)

the matrix still exists, but machines agree to release any humans from the matrix who want to go live in zion.

I am so sorry.

I Can Wait (5, Insightful)

cmacb (547347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369549)

I STILL think all these things are overpriced. Heck in the 80's I got hold of a calculator that was credit card sized..literally in every dimension. flexible like a credit card too so it fit into my wallet and got sat on just like other credit cards with no ill-effects. I think I paid about $5 for it on a boardwalk in CA, but I never saw the things widely marketed in the US. Instead I saw much thicker devices that would crack if flexed at all and they cost several times as much. Palm devices are the same way. The technology exists to build the thing for $15 and have all the standard Pilot functionality. As long as people will pay $200 for every new tiny incremental improvement you can't blame the hardware companies for taking your money.

If my Palm III ever dies and goes to heaven (doesn't show any signs of it) my plan to is go to Walmart and see what Casio has been up to. I have a sneaking suspicion that they already have all the functionality I need for a carry-everywhere device. I'm a bit more picky about laptops however.

Re:I Can Wait (0, Troll)

NeoAndTrinityDieInRe (720914) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369723)

I concur.

Re:I Can Wait (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369809)

And as long as assholes like you keep buying their computer stuff at Walmart, no one should be surprised when Walmart comes in and rapes your community.

But yeah, you can get a shitty little "PDA" for pretty cheap from a place like that. It's not a real computer in the way most PDAsare- even a Palm III is one- but it'll give you a gimpy way to look at your appointments.

Punny story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7369638)

Pleasures of the Throne

There was once an island kingdom whose people were all fabulously wealthy. Even though they could have afforded to live anywhere they wanted, tradition dictated they stay on their tiny island home.

Eventually, their king became frustrated and called a meeting of the tribe's elders. He said he wanted them to figure out a way he could enjoy his wealth, and stay within traditional guide lines. After much consideration, the elders suggested he build a magnificent throne. When he objected there was not enough room in his hut for a throne, the elders suggested he call in an engineer to solve the problem (a mistake most certainly).

Soon, the king's tiny hut was rigged with an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys. He could lower the huge throne for use during the day, and at night, he could haul the throne up, and lower his bed.

This was truly the best of both worlds for the king. Unfortunately, after a few months of constant use the ropes frayed, and one night, the throne slipped and came crashing down on the king, killing him.

The wisemen of the island recognized a lesson in this experience and added to the lore of their people this statement:

"People who live in grass houses should not store thrones."

Been in the development for years.. (3, Interesting)

miradu2000 (196048) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369642)

This seems simliar to ideas that were proposed by Citizen 3 years ago. See This article from Cnet 3 years ago. [com.com] It details citizen's development of a credit card sized device that could plug into the Handspring Visor. (I remembered this article from my work at visorcentral 3 years ago)

"Handspring and watch maker Citizen are tinkering with a prototype add-on for the Visor handheld that would allow people to copy information from their device onto a second, credit card-sized organizer."

Citizen also helped co-develop the Rex.

Symbolics PDA.... (2, Funny)

njord (548740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369662)

This is the fevered dream of a romantic, but I'd pay money to see a Lisp-based PDA. An actualy Lisp Processer isn't necessarily what I mean; a powerful commercial [franz.com] or a free and powerful [cons.org] Lisp interpreted for x86 (or any von Neumann) processor would be okay. What I want is for it do have a Genera-like OS that can be re-written in real-time. Man, that would rule.

Ain't gunna happen, though. Unless someone wants to pay me to write it for the PDA of their choice.

Also, it should have a Canesta projection keyboard. I saw them at siggraph, they rock!

njord, Lisp sympathizer

Hopefully well designed (5, Insightful)

killerkalamari (528180) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369681)

I bought one of those Oregon Scientific mini-PDA's (credit card size, but 1/8" thick).. it was only a few bucks brand new on E-Bay, so I decided to give it a shot. It was really fun to play with, but the lack of a keyboard or handwriting recognition made me quickly realize it wasn't much more than a toy. I just couldn't keep up trying to punch things in on the onscreen keyboard so I often ended up with various notes in my pocket thinking "I will enter that later" (phone numbers, appointments, etc). Later, of course, never seemed to come around. I finally quit carrying it when certain cells of the touch screen stopped working (on/off comes to mind).

I'm still hoping for a programmable PDA calculator watch with the form factor of my Casio Data Bank DBC-61[0] (I'm not talking about those clunky new wannabe data banks with impossible to press keys). Here's a pic:

Casio DBC-610 [pmwf.com]

Notice the smooth keypad? This is perfect for quick entry. Raised buttons are harder to press and slow me down. The battery lasts at least 3 years. Now, add PDA features and predictive text input, and you have a winner (the screen doesn't need to change much, it can display text and numbers). Of course it will never happen, but I can dream :) Jeff

WHAT?! (0)

MukiMuki (692124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369693)

No beowulf cluster comment yet?

But, you could fit like, a few thousand in a cardboard box!

The nameless concept (2, Funny)

ElliotLee (713376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369725)

I hope they don't give it a name. I really like the sound of "Nameless Concept". "The nameless concept will be priced at $200 at an undetermined release date." What's that dude's phone number? When's that appointment? Let me check my Nameless Concept...

Too expensive, but I like... (1)

Denyer (717613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369831)

...that's the sort of size you can comfortably cup in the palm of your hand and scribble notes onto without drawing attention. I'd be persuaded if it can recognise handwriting and the price comes down, that is. Who needs colour to write a few hundred words?

I'd like to see more manufacturers paying attention to making something for basic users, though. The Psion 3 was everything I needed in a portable; a notepad application and a proper keyboard. Fortunately, Sharp stepped in with its Wizard series (and you can get software to code around its limitations) but there still isn't much out there for pocket-sized type-out-a-quick-letter functionality.

As a disclaimer, I'm part of the generation that grew up with SMS-toughened thumb muscles...

Uhm ... (1)

bruthasj (175228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7369844)

This is probably redundant, but the Citizen Watch Company URL is here [citizen.co.jp] , not here [citizen.com] . Submitter must have been trigger happy.
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