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Hackers On Atkins

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the day-pass-rocks dept.

Biotech 918

`Sean writes "Salon.com has published a story about Hackers on Atkins. Although going on a diet is the last thing on the minds of the stereotypical geek basking in the ambient radiation of multiple monitors for 15 hours per day, many hackers have been embracing Atkins because utilizing low-carb methods to modify the metabolism is analogous to hacking and overclocking the body. Others have been combining Atkins with other systems, such as John Walker's The Hacker's Diet. I've personally lost a hundred pounds so far and will toss in the obligatory if I can do it, anyone can ism."

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O_O (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372568)

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diet? bollocks! (1, Funny)

flok (24996) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372575)

what about binding a laptop to your hometrainer and just not eating too much?

FP!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372577)

Yeah, Mo' money bitch!

What will happen? (5, Funny)

SpaceCadetTrav (641261) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372582)

The future of the stereotypical fat, bearded unix admin is in serious jeopardy.

Re:What will happen? (1)

anakin357 (69114) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372610)

So is the future of said person who makes fun of the above.

Re:What will happen? (3, Funny)

smartin (942) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372811)

No it's windows only.

Re:What will happen? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372821)

We've still got 'unshowered.' May we never give that one up.

What about the dangers? (4, Insightful)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372585)

From what I've heard, Atkins is extremely harsh on your kidneys, with some seriously bad side-effects when you use it for prolonged periods. Surely getting thin is not worth dying or having permanent renal damage for...

Daniel

Re:What about the dangers? (1)

Vengie (533896) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372597)

You've obviously never been fat. 4'10 and 320 in my teens...i'm now 5'9, 160 at 21. And trust me....being 5'9 160 is rather important when you're both a nerd and gay. As if having the stigma of being a nerd wasn't enough....being a fat nerd is even worse, but being a fat gay nerd just sucks. They can repair the damage to my kidneys -- they can't repair the damage to my soul.
And the men of yale are so shallow anyway....

Re:What about the dangers? (3, Insightful)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372623)

That's the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard. If you're in dialysis someday with kidney failure, you'll realize that your health is far more important than social perception.

Re:What about the dangers? (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372648)

That's the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard. If you're in dialysis someday with kidney failure, you'll realize that your health is far more important than social perception.
When you're in dialysis someday with kidney failure due to diabetes, you might make the connection between carbohydrate ingestion and sugar production in the body. It'll be too late for you, though.

Re:What about the dangers? (0)

SiliconBateman (719736) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372759)

complex carbs != sugar

brown bread is no where like a cola or lemonade. Sugar ingestion triggers diabetes in those predisposed to it. Complex carbs do not trigger to these people. Oh, and those not pre-disposed to diabetes will never have it.

Re:What about the dangers? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372641)

rolf omg yuo = teh ghey !!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Re:What about the dangers? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372662)

well, stop being a faggot then. see a shrink.

Re:What about the dangers? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372667)

So the big question is ... are you a molestation survivor like the majority of homosexuals?

Being fat and then being gay, suggests that you had some early childhood tramua that forced you to turn to hide as an introvert, feed the hole in your soul with food, and maybe (just maybe) spun your sexual compass to a random setting.

Just wondering.

Re:What about the dangers? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372728)

bun out the chi chi man.

Re:What about the dangers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372598)

And being overweight doesn't have it's own seriously bad side-effects?

Re:What about the dangers? (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372781)

Yes, it does. And if your toe is hurting after you've knocked it against something, do you cut it off?

Daniel

Re:What about the dangers? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372601)

You have heard wrong. There has been an incredible amount of research on Atkins and other lo-carb diets done in the last two years and it is all pointing to this being the way to go.


Personally I am down over 50 pounds and no side effects at all almost a year afterwards.

Re:What about the dangers? (0)

SiliconBateman (719736) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372719)

I think that is the point... the Atkins diet has been around since the 70s yes... it has been incredibly popular over the past 2 years yes... but no long term studies investigating the increased strain low carbs put on the body. Yes this is theoretical conjuncture but as no long term practical studies have been carried out I'll stick to my varied diet, not too many calories and regular exercise, I feel great and I know the long term benefits are positive.

I also have no bad breath, no constupation, good skin condition and no bags under my eyes - typical symptoms (and if you don't have them then good for you) of low-carb (and hence low fibre) diets.

Re:What about the dangers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372612)

If you are referring to the increased protein intake, if you increase the amount of water you consume the strain put on your kidenys will be minimal. This is assuming that you aren't deriving something like 80 percent of your calories from protein...

Re:What about the dangers? (1)

bobwoodard (92257) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372665)

I'd encourage you to do some research, there's all kinds of urban myths about the diet. BTW, I've heard the Earth is flat. 8-)

That aside, any diet will impact different people in different ways and common sense should be observed.

Re:What about the dangers? (4, Funny)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372678)

From what I've heard, Atkins is extremely harsh on your kidneys, with some seriously bad side-effects when you use it for prolonged periods.
From what I've heard, the moon is made of cheese, and a pill will make my penis longer.

From what I've heard.

Re:What about the dangers? (1, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372683)

From what I've heard, Atkins is extremely harsh on your kidneys, with some seriously bad side-effects when you use it for prolonged periods. Surely getting thin is not worth dying or having permanent renal damage for...

Beyond the potential damage to renal systems, (which occur as a result of glomerular scarring) there are other risks to not ingesting enough fruits and veggies. I like some blood red rare meat as much as the next guy, but fruits have many anti-oxidant compounds in them that scavenge free radicals. Veggies, have fiber in them that in addition to keeping you regular, reduce incidence of a number of cancers of the GI tract.

On top of all of that, diets high in proteins and fats (Like the Atkins diet) predispose folks to heart disease, strokes and diabetes.

Re:What about the dangers? (5, Informative)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372749)

Beyond the potential damage to renal systems, (which occur as a result of glomerular scarring) there are other risks to not ingesting enough fruits and veggies. I like some blood red rare meat as much as the next guy, but fruits have many anti-oxidant compounds in them that scavenge free radicals. Veggies, have fiber in them that in addition to keeping you regular, reduce incidence of a number of cancers of the GI tract.
FUD. Veggies are a large part of the Atkins diet. It's not all "blood red meat."
On top of all of that, diets high in proteins and fats (Like the Atkins diet) predispose folks to heart disease, strokes and diabetes.
Wrong. Atkins has proven itself in lowering cholesterol. Atkins was a heart doc, ya know. His observations of success among his patients led to the development of the diet.

Re:What about the dangers? (5, Informative)

AJWM (19027) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372732)

It can be harsh on your kidneys if you consume a lot of protein without drinking enough water (as in straight H2O, not mixed with caffeine, coloring and sweetener). A high protein diet puts means more nitrogen (urea) to be excreted.

But, drinking plenty of water both negates the problem and also lowers your hunger level in the first place. If you're getting the kind of side effects you're talking about, you're doing some other high protein, low everything else diet, not Atkins (at least, not properly).

Oh, and there's a difference between "getting thin" and "reducing your weight" for a lot of people -- for many, the risk of kidney damage from an Atkins-like diet is far lower than the risks of not losing that weight (high blood pressure, cardiovascular damage, heart disease, back and knee problems from the extra weight, etc, etc).

Re:What about the dangers? (1, Interesting)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372816)

Oh, and there's a difference between "getting thin" and "reducing your weight" for a lot of people -- for many, the risk of kidney damage from an Atkins-like diet is far lower than the risks of not losing that weight (high blood pressure, cardiovascular damage, heart disease, back and knee problems from the extra weight, etc, etc).

I fully appreciate that some people definitely need to reduce their weight simply for health reasons. But if you're so weak-willed that you'd rather damage your body than make an effort then you're setting yourself up for having to stay on that diet forever, aren't you? And that can't be good...

Daniel

Re:What about the dangers? (1)

Seabass55 (472183) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372792)

Well you better hurry up and tell the Eskimos they've been eating unhealthy all these years.

Re:What about the dangers? (2)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372805)

Having had several family members use Atkins successfully, I can say that the above is misleading. It is true that high protein with near 0 carbs is hard on your kidneys. However, this extreme measure is only recommended for the first week, to "jump start" the weight loss. Some versions of Atkins don't recommend it at all.

To balance the dangers of high protein, 0 carb, consider the danger of a diet high in simple carbs: adult onset diabetes. That can cause permanent damage also - and is way too prevalent in America. (Throw away that Jolt.)

After the initial week, a typical Atkins regimine reintroduces fruits and grains - but in measured amounts to keep calories from carbs around 15%. After the desired weight loss is reached, carb percentage can be gradually increased to a stable ratio. Just make sure those carbs aren't "empty". You need those fruits and whole grains. You don't need that soda.

Re:What about the dangers? (5, Informative)

Davak (526912) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372806)

As one of slash's physicians, I feel I should contribute a little research on the topic. The summary of the research is that Atkin's probably works and probably lowers cholesterol. I recently read a study that followed people out for 12 months that found the diet safe.

I tend to follow the Mediterranean diet [carotids.com] but have no better science supporting it either.

This New England Journal of Medicine article agrees with my beliefs. The important thing to remember is that weight loss requires changes to diet for life! Any diet, even Atkins, only works as long as you can follow it...

New England Journal of Medicine Article [nih.gov]

BACKGROUND: Despite the popularity of the low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat (Atkins) diet, no randomized, controlled trials have evaluated its efficacy. METHODS: We conducted a one-year, multicenter, controlled trial involving 63 obese men and women who were randomly assigned to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet or a low-calorie, high-carbohydrate, low-fat (conventional) diet. Professional contact was minimal to replicate the approach used by most dieters. RESULTS: Subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet had lost more weight than subjects on the conventional diet at 3 months (mean [+/-SD], -6.8+/-5.0 vs. -2.7+/-3.7 percent of body weight; P=0.001) and 6 months (-7.0+/-6.5 vs. -3.2+/-5.6 percent of body weight, P=0.02), but the difference at 12 months was not significant (-4.4+/-6.7 vs. -2.5+/-6.3 percent of body weight, P=0.26). After three months, no significant differences were found between the groups in total or low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations. The increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations and the decrease in triglyceride concentrations were greater among subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet than among those on the conventional diet throughout most of the study. Both diets significantly decreased diastolic blood pressure and the insulin response to an oral glucose load. CONCLUSIONS: The low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss (absolute difference, approximately 4 percent) than did the conventional diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant at one year. The low-carbohydrate diet was associated with a greater improvement in some risk factors for coronary heart disease. Adherence was poor and attrition was high in both groups. Longer and larger studies are required to determine the long-term safety and efficacy of low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diets.

Typical Geeks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372586)

"overclocking" & Atkins: taking the short cut and easy way out.

Let's see how you people are doing in 20 years with clogged arteries, bad breath, and vitamin deficiencies.

Re:Typical Geeks (2, Funny)

csimicah (592121) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372677)

Clogged arteries? Might want to crack a book... Atkins has been found to _improve_ cholesterol ratios.

The vitamin deficiencies, I have no answer to. We'll just have to hope that some day modern medicine will find a way to package multiple vitamins into some type of pill form.

Re:Typical Geeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372791)

something is clearly not right when you have to add vitamin supplements because your diet doesn't provide you enough.

convenient for hackers (4, Funny)

DirtyJ (576100) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372588)

The Atkins diet is really very convenient for hackers. All you have to do is order your standard pepperoni pizza, and then throw away everything below the pepperoni.

I like Atkins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372589)

Meat and cheese are good.

Healthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372590)

How healthy is this diet?

And of the people I know who swear by it, I haven't noticed them looking any thinner. Of course, that is true for all the diets :(

How about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372600)

Getting off the computer for a while and do something really complicated known as *excercise*. When your next installing gentoo linux go and and take a long walk.

Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (2, Funny)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372602)

Atkins is dead.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372627)

Slipt, fell, concussed. Nothing to do with a diet. Move along please.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372629)

Atkins is dead.

So is Stephen King, but that doesn't suddenly make him a bad writer. Truly an American icon.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372679)

So is Stephen King, but that doesn't suddenly make him a bad writer.

You're right. The things that make Stephen King a bad writer have nothing to do with whether he's alive or dead.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372721)

Stephen King is undead

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372694)

Stephen King [stephenking.com] 's not dead you doofus.

Daniel

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372720)

Dude, YHBT YHL HAND. Learn from this mistake.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (5, Informative)

Veramocor (262800) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372634)

If your arguement is don't use atkins diet because atkins died, it is a little disingenuous since Atkins died because he fell on some ice, hit his head, and had a brain aneurysm.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372693)

So, DUH! Don't you see the connection?

Don't use the Atkins diet if you don't want to end up like Atkins did: a famous doctor with a secure job, decent income, married, and dead after a whole seventy-two years of life.

Geeze.

Re:Three word's on Atkins that says it all: (1)

mr_walrus (410770) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372775)

hell fell from all that dizzying euphoria for having lost weight...

In Soviet Russia.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372611)

Protein eats You!

The GNAA diet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372614)

Anus Cheeses.

unemploying geekism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372617)

New excuse for geeks to use at work: Overclocked and Underpaid.

Easiest diet ever... (5, Insightful)

bucketoftruth (583696) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372619)

Eat less, excercise more. It's free and easy. It's covered under the GNU diet license so feel free to share with other fatties.

Re:Easiest diet ever... (1)

bobwoodard (92257) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372698)

I actually ended up eating more, but it didn't matter, since I made sure the stuff I was eating didn't impact the diet in a negative way (no more Moutain Dew!).

It works. (4, Informative)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372621)

5 weeks. 15 pounds (so far).

I eat low carb cereal for breakfast, have meat, veggie and sugar free jello for lunch, more meat and a salad for supper. I have beef jerky, sugar free candy and sugar free jello for snacks.

I ate a lot of fat the first week. When I got used to it, I cut the fat. I walk around the block twice after supper.

Easiest diet I ever tried. I am aiming to lose 45-50lbs total.

Re:It works. (1)

VistaBoy (570995) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372767)

You gotta cut the sugar-free Jello. I do Atkins, and aspartame will definitely either slow down your weight loss or cause a plateau. Try the artificial sweetener Splenda, chemical name sucralose. It's really good, and it doesn't have any metabolic effects.

I've lost about 40 pounds on this diet, and I've feel the best I ever have felt before. Way more strength, stamina, and surprisingly mental power.

Re:It works. (1)

jonfelder (669529) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372818)

Veggie jello maybe...but meat jello...I dunno if I could handle a diet that had you eating meat jello. I suppose one could get used to it though. ;-)

john walkers? (1)

samhalliday (653858) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372630)

aaah, not Johnny Walkers [beerliquors.com] , ok i thought yous had all lost your mind there! everyone knows this [bushmills.com] is what REAL hackers drink ;-)

Re:john walkers? (1)

csteinle (68146) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372739)

You're at Uni in Edinburgh and you're promoting Whiskey over Whisky? What's wrong with you man? I'll let you off as you're probably Irish. :-)

(Although I'll admit no self respecting Scot would touch Johnnie Walker. Thats for export only. We prefer to keep the good stuff here if we can.)

bad idea... (0, Troll)

user138 (568586) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372631)

Though it might be appetizing (hehe) to use this diet, do you guys know that Atkins died? and it was a result of his diet? Frankly, any diet that starves is not a good idea. If you are a fatass, then maybe computer time should not be first on your list of things to do. jgraham (not a fatass)

Re:bad idea... (3, Funny)

csimicah (592121) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372645)

The diet made him slip and fall and hit his head? Interesting. Did the diet actually put the ice there, or did it come up behind him and shove him?

Re:bad idea... (1)

bobwoodard (92257) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372723)

Just in case other people bite on the troll...

Dr Atkins died after slipping on some ice and hitting his head. Of course, I guess if he hadn't been on the diet, the fat might have cushioned his fall. 8-)

Re:bad idea? Get the facts straight. (4, Informative)

xiaix (247688) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372800)

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about, or at least have been misinformed.

1) Atkins is not a starvation diet in any sense of the word. Sure, there are things that you should not or can not eat when on it, but it is far less restrictive than many or most other options. Most importantly, calories are not restricted. You not only are not expected to starve youself, but doing so would go against the principals of the diet plan.

2) Dr. Atkins died at the age of 72. He slipped and fell on an icy sidewalk, fell into a coma, and died a little over a week later. Neither his death nor his 2002 heart attack were in any way related to diet, as research will show.

3) It is not just 'fatasses' who find the diet effective. Many bodybuilders use Atkins or cyclic variation on the ketogenic diet in order to keep their bodies in peak shape. My father, who was athletic in his younger days but now is disabled and, due to his disablilities, physically unable to exercise has dropped close to 50 pounds on the Atkins diet, and is because of this is more able to lead a normal life.

Remember: Not all fud comes from Microsoft. The ADA has spread more than its share of misinformation. Most of the newer studies showing the Atkins plan as safe and effective were actually done to try to show that it was dangerous or ineffective. The researchers were forced to acknowledge that based on their experiments, this was not the case and it is indeed a safe and effective dietary plan.

Hacker's Diet review (1, Troll)

yppiz (574466) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372633)

For those of you interested in dieting, do check out The Hacker's Diet. It's dieting explained in terms of engineering and project management. It's very clear and describes the essentials without resorting to euphemisms or nonsense.

--Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu

South Beach Instead (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372636)

My Dad's a cardiologist, and he's really concerned about the Atkins diet. There's good lab evidence that it doesn't lower the number of cholesterol molecules, it just shrinks them. This makes your cholesterol test show as having lower cholesterol, but isn't really healthier. The South Beach diet has a lot of similarities to the Atkins diet (low carbs, mainly), but is thought to be *much* better for you.

Re:South Beach Instead (1)

Mattwolf7 (633112) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372752)

Yeah, my mom is doing the South Beach diet and so far she has lost 21 pounds. She says she loves it because she can eat steak, hamburger (w/o the bun), salads, chicken, vegetables and all kinds of good food.

They always say it... (5, Insightful)

AntiPasto (168263) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372637)

...but exercise!!! Most of us eat right, etc, but are actually fairly imobile people. Get up! Get out! Walk around!!!!!! Not just for weight loss or building muscle, but just to be healthy.

Also, its good to eat a regular portion. If you stuffed yourself, you probably ate too much. Most restaurants will give you a dump-truck full so long as you hit their price point or $5~7 per person.

IANAD, but that's just my thoughts.

Re:They always say it... (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372738)

I agree. Hacking sounds like a great idea when you're dealing with a finite system like a computer, a system which you actually stand some sort of chance of understanding. But the body is an incredibly complex machine that is way beyond the best "hackers" of this time.

The best scientists will admit that they can but barely scratch the surface of all there is to know about the human body, and you want to try to hack it? Sounds like a very stupid idea to me.

The only thing you can and should do is try to treat the body in as "healthy" a way as possible. That includes serious amounts of exercise (much more than the 'recommended' half hour per day or so). Remember, our bodies are designed to go running about all day hunting, not sit on our asses moving just our fingers. Add onto that as balanced a diet as possible, including plenty of fruit, veggies, some meat, and some fat, without eating too much nor too little, and you've hit jackpot. Nothing else works in the long term.

Daniel

Fundamental problem with most exercise... (1)

Phoenixhunter (588958) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372773)

...is that it is boring. Running/jogging/walking is so utterly mindnumbing that I loathe the thought of it. Squash on the other hand, a European game that is played in the US as well (mostly in the North East) is a game made for people who need the constant feedback of 'something'. It requires fast reflexes and stamina.

Come on People! (2, Insightful)

Kanan (527196) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372643)

Atkins is okay, but there are better systems out there. Just focusing on diet isn't going to make a person healthy. You need to exercise, and especially strength-train. I would devote about 2/3 of my workout to full-body strength training, and 1/3 to cardio if you are trying to lose weight, and only work out 5 tims a week for 45 minutes. More is not better because of muscle catabolism that starts to really kick in after 45 minutes for most people. You should take in high GI carbs right after a workout, and ingest 1.5g of protein per pound of lean body mass. If you utilize the GI index and just take in very-low GI carbs, such as garbonzo beans, you can still have a carb rich diet instead of using Atkins. Atkins is right about these sugary foodsI eat 4 cans of tuna with brown mustard, 2 cans of garbonzo beans, several protein shakes, a turkey sandwich, and lots of milk. I get about 240g of protein a day. I used to be a small guy at 5'10" and 135lbs, then after a couple years of college I was 180lbs without any extra muscle, now I am back at 185lbs, but with only 11% body fat. I still have work to do, I'd like to by 185lbs at 7% bodyfat. I thought I would share this information with all of you. I hope it helps somebody change their life for the better.

modified atkins (1)

elrod (21611) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372652)

i used to work out 60 minutes a day on cardio machines -- bikes, stairclimbers, treadmills, elliptical machines -- and i lost no weight whatsoever.

i've been on a modified atkins diet for 8 months now, and with a decent amount of walking as exercise, i've lost over 25 lbs. i'm not sure why it works, and i'll admit that i was skeptical at first, but now i'm a sworn follower of the low-carb diet.

now if someone will just make a *good tasting* low carb beer.

I've been using a modified version of Atkins (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372653)

I've gotten a lot of info from here [mercola.com]

Low grain-based carbs, low saturated fat and trans-fatty acids, low refined sugar, more monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat, and more omega 3. I've lost 50 lbs in 15 weeks and I feel much more energetic. I've got about 25 lbs to go before I hit the BMI upper threshold for normal weight. The best part is that I'll have to go shopping soon for normal sized clothes.

I haven't started an exercise program and I probably wont (although I should but I am lazy as hell).

Seriously, Atkins (and it's derivatives) are the easiest diets I've ever seen. Younger and younger people are getting heart disease, diabetes, and other obesity-caused ailments. You should at least try it.

Not a good idea (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372661)

I thought it was great at first because I lost about 10 pounds in a short 2 weeks. But the diet changed my eating habits so much that I wasn't able to keep it off when I reached my goal. I gained it all back, _plus_ an extra 10 pounds. I wouldn't recommend it. Stick with the tried-and-true ELF diet (Eat Less Food) combined with a 15-30 minutes of excercise every few days and the weight will come off eventually. It will take longer, but it will actually stay off.

Neo dies, Trinity dies, the matrix lives on! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372663)

The Wachowskis killed Jesus

Neo dies.

So let me get this straight. Neo dies and is resurrected in the original film, as a symbol of Christ's sacrifice to save mankind, the Wachowskis being in love with the idea of religious symbolism in their kung fu movies (notice that Morpheus wears sunglasses without earpieces, just like Allah).

According to them, therefore, Jesus, having been resurrected and taking his place as an invulnerable deity on Earth, will later die again in order to accomplish the exact same thing we all thought he had accomplished the first time around. I guess it's a good thing for us lost souls that God doesn't need sequels.

It's like rooting for the Cubs...

The Matrix survives. The machines are not defeated.

After spending every second of the first two films setting up the machines as evil, murderous slavemasters with predatory dreadlocked sentinels slithering through the darkness, we're forced to buy into a truce between man and machine in the last scene?

And what about the little girl in the film, supposedly the first love child merging man and machine? Does this not imply a thankfully-unseen man and sentinel sex scene, with a nude man, shall we say, "interfacing" with its so-called "female data port" using his "boner?"

He caught her! Oh, wait...

Trinity dies.

Boy, it's a good thing they based the entire second film around Neo keeping her alive. That was more than worth it. But don't worry, Trinity fans; your girl gets the same noble death as Cpl. Hicks in Alien 3.

Come to think of it, these films are like real life.

War crimes

Seraph is revealed to be a former one, as most of us guessed by his stand-off fight with Neo. What is not mentioned is that this man is also responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Zionites in some previous incarnation of The Matrix since he obviously chose the other door in The Architect's TV shop.

Why was he not punished for causing this slaughter? And, being Japanese, we must ask if he pleasured himself at the thought of all that death?

There's the Matrix! Shoot it!

Great plan for defending Zion, using those mechs to try to shoot the sentinels out of the air using machine guns, a technology available since 1939. I mean, there's no reason in the world to set up EMP devices around the perimeter...

Wait a second. Where did the humans get the Mechs? Or the ships? If these are leftover scraps from the great war between machines and man, how could they continually hold off the same force that defeated the original army at full strength? Maybe the Merovingian isn't the only machine who's also French.

Neo is burning down the prom!

So we find out Neo was able to defeat the sentinels in Reloaded through a vague kind of telekinesis (you should have known, from the well-bent spoon handed to Neo by his young stalker in Zion). That would be fine, except there is no such thing as telekinesis. Here's proof: try to bend a nearby object with your mind.

See? You can't. Now try to shut down the nearest robot using the same method. Simply impossible.

I'm dreaming of a white... cast?

Two actors were abruptly cut from the third film's cast before production ended, both female minorities. Coincidence?

Aaliyah and Gloria Foster were unceremonially dropped after shooting some scenes for Revolutions. What's wrong, guys? They didn't test well with the predominantly white Matrix audiences?

Neither actress could be reached for comment.

More weird religosity...

So Agent Smith takes a human body, and the first thing we see him do is cut his palms, presumably in order to punish himself for his newfound masturbation ability? Bizarre.

"She was not kissing your face..."

So they base a whole scene in Reloaded between the Merovingian and Persephone around his having lipstick on his anus due to a ladies' room rimjob?

I think I'll skip the Reloaded DVD deleted scenes, thank you very much.

The Matrix Murders

The first film killed 13 students at Columbine High School, the disturbed trench-coated teens imitating the pipe-bombing, shotgunning film's finale. How many troubled teens are out there Reloading with the release of the sequels?

In fact, the only reason the U.S. Attorney General did not press murder charges against the filmmakers is because the movie was shot in Australia, giving it diplomatic immunity.

The aborted American dream

Warner Bros. devoted $300 million to the production of the two Matrix sequels.

In the time the films have been in production, over one thousand American children will have died of starvation. For the cost of these films, each of those children could have been given one million dollars.

Would You Like some Chicken with your Destiny?

In what had to be the most ridiculous product placement deal in history, Kentucky Fried Chicken paid Warner Bros. over $30 million to cast mascot Colonel Sanders as the Architect in the sequels.

"Finger-lickin' good?" I think that after this trilogy is finished, Matrix fans will be "licking their fingers" in disappointment.

Reloaded Ridiculousness

Several times in the sequel Neo is seen flying at almost supersonic speeds. NASA experiments prove that such a velocity would tear a man's genitals off.

Bruce Willis was a ghost the whole time!

Can we please have just one major studio movie without a trick ending? I won't reveal it because some of you have requested that I not, but Revolutions has a shocking surprise near the end that the studio has bent over backwards (probably in slow-motion, while dodging bullets) to conceal. All I'll say is that it has to do with the surprise return of a certain treacherous character who we all thought was dead in the first film. Can any of you decipher what I'm saying here?

Reloaded Ridiculousness, 2

The machines added two new enemies for Neo in Reloaded, called the Twins. Their first priority is to blend discreetly into the simulated world of the Matrix, to walk among the people unnoticed. So of course the Matrix made them huge albino men with bleach-white dreadlocks who occasionally transform into shrieking wraiths.

"What's that, honey?"

"Oh, nothing. It just looks like a simple Kung-Fu Swedish Rastafarian Helldemon. I'm sure there's no need to question our fragile, sheltered grasp of 'reality' as we know it."

The Matrix: Reconsidered

But the first film was great art, you say?

In the spoon-bending scene, watch closely. First we see Neo bend the spoon almost into a "U" shape... now watch carefully (freeze-frame it, for you DVD owners). A second later it's back to its normal shape again. Ironic that a film meant for no-attention-span kids also had a no-attention-span editor.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 2

After they sucked the "bug" out of Neo's abdomen, where was the gaping bloody hole the thing should have left? Even if Trinity had the medical training to re-tie the knot in his navel, we certainly didn't see her do it.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 3

In the same scene, the "bug" is casually discarded in the street. Better hope no one comes along and steps on the squirming, burrowing thing with their bare feet.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 4

You've worked as a policeman your whole life, protecting the innocent, enforcing the law. You retire with honors, then take a job as a security guard, working the metal detector on the ground floor of a skyscraper in order to help pay for your wife's arthritis medication. You're sitting there, on a slow day, reading your newspaper, when a girl walks in wearing a trenchcoat. She issues no demands, no warnings, no "freeze" or "drop your gun." She just tears you in half with a spray of machine-gun fire, then does cartwheels along the walls while killing all your friends.

Somewhere, faintly, you can hear a theater audience cheering.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 5

Neo can move faster than sound, yet can't move blindingly through bullet time and simply disarm the security guards rather than slaughtering them? It looks like Neo learned his disarming techniques from George W. Bush.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 6

Neo and his crew can generate an infinite number of guns in the construct, but can't come up with non-lethal weapons such as long-range tasers and sleeping gas?

Would not the "exciting" skyscraper shootout have been just as exciting if the two had been armed with the Vomit Sticks from Minority Report? Or are these lives not worth saving?

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 7

You are a hard-working single mother, making ends meet by doing time as a secretary in an office building during the day, a drug-store clerk in the evenings. You are on the office phone with the babysitter one quiet Wednesday afternoon, telling her how to calm little Dakota down, to get her to stop crying her eyes out asking why Mommy is never home, telling her that you'll be there soon, honey.

A split-second later your head is severed by a shattered helicopter rotor blade, the skull bouncing off a nearby wall, leaving a spray of arterial blood on a motivational poster. Your eyes bulge wide, your brain inside remaining alive just long enough to recognize the horror of your fate. Aviation fuel splashes in through the shattered windows and ignites, incinerating mothers, husbands, fathers, best friends.

And somewhere, a theater full of young, chubby males cheers because Trinity made it out before the crash.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 8

"If you wanna give me that juris-my-DICK-tion crap, you can kiss my ass."

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 9

You infiltrate a building to rescue a hostage who you can't afford to lose. Either his death, or your own death, would have unimaginable consequences for the entire living world. So, once you're inside and riding up the lift, it's a good idea to go ahead and set the building on fire by dropping a bomb on the first floor.

The Matrix: Reconsidered, 10

It's the film's climactic battle between Agent Smith and Neo. It begins with Agent Smith walking down the subway platform toward Neo. Neo's friends tell him to run. But no; he stands and fights.

They fight for what seems like an hour, back and forth, an epic battle of good and evil. Neo takes a beating, comes back, finds his courage, becomes The One. He goes toe-to-toe with the baddest of the bad. After this long, choreographed, pivotal moment of the film, Agent Smith is left... ...walking down the subway platform toward Neo. Neo's friends tell him to run.

He runs.

Excuse me, ticket lady? I'd like a refund of the last fifteen minutes of my life. It would be like if at the end of Rocky, after sitting through the whole film, the main character just lost the fight anyway.

Excuse me?

"I hate this place, this... zoo. It's the smelt."

By their fruits ye shall know them

I had attended a showing of The Matrix in May of 1999 with a lady friend, because we are both big Morgan Freeman fans. An hour into the film, as I observed what dreck we were wading in, I walked up and stood before the screen and tried to explain to the audience that this vomitus was below their dignity.

I was greeted by some of the most vulgar insults imaginable, until some began throwing objects and one man even knocked my pipe from my hand. Do you wish to be associated with a group of such character?

By their fruits ye shall know the staff, too

After the above incident, I was the one asked to leave.

The Matrix: Reconsidered further

If you need to get in touch with a person, you can simply call them at their office. You do not need to actually mail the phone to them.

Two words:

Keanu Reeves.

Two more words:

See above.

The Matrix: Reconsidered further, 2

The film states that the humans attached to the matrix were kept alive by liquifying the dead and feeding it to the living, apparently pouring the mixture into their containers in the form of strawberry Jello. Such a diet would not be sufficient to support an adult human.

The Matrix: Reconsidered further still

Bullets travel at over 900 feet per second. I don't care how fast Agent Smith and his friends pulled their triggers in that hallway, their bullets would not travel in a tight pack like that. It takes a tenth of a second for an automatic to recycle itself, meaning that by the time the second round left the barrel, the first bullet would be 90 feet away.

You should have heard my gales of laughter upon seeing this scene during my second viewing of the film. I fully expected the audience around me join in the derision, and when they did not I walked up and down each row, leaning over each seat and howling my gales of mockery right in their faces.

Once more, the staff removed me from the theater, rather than doing the proper thing and removing the film from the theater. Ridiculous.

The Gaytrix

Hollywood's homophobia never fails to astound me. First, I applauded the romance between the two male characters, Neo and Trinity. Then I found later that, because of demands by Keanu Reeves, Trinity was actually played by a woman in shorthair.

(If you look closely in certain scenes of the film, you can make out breasts.) Where were the protests?

By their fruits ye shall know them, 2

Average weight of the common Matrix fan: 276 lbs.

U.S. Census Bureau, 2001

By their fruits ye shall know them: Reloaded

Average I.Q. of the common Matrix fan: 91. That's fifteen points below average, folks.

U.S. Dept. of Education Statistics, 2002

The death of choice

The humans of the future are attached to the Matrix, in embryo-like pods. They receive nourishment from the Matrix, they cannot survive independent of it. They share a blood stream, their consciousness is provided completely by the mother system.

Thus, the humans are part of the mother's body and the matrix can terminate them if it so chooses. The film's suggestion that this is evil is a direct assault on female choice and the fundamental functions of motherhood. Can female slavery be far behind?

Still not convinced the first film was rubbish?

The cybernetic army that took over the Earth, says the film, was solar powered. The human resistance responded by blotting out the sky.

A desperate measure, but surely the only choice they had. It was that, or, I don't know, postpone their counterattack until evening.

This is your brain...

Speaking of which, does no one else have the problem with the blatant pro-drug message in these films? The idea that you can be transported to a magical wonderland where you have supernatural powers simply by inserting a needle into your skull?

Is it any coincidence that "jacking" (injecting heroin directly into the brain using a nine-inch long skull needle) became all the rage with our teenagers after this film?

Hope you haven't just eaten...

And what was that white goo they were eating in the cafeteria? Would you eat something like that, having just seen it spill out of an apparent robot penis?

Grow up

The policeman in the opening scene of the first film? Look on the credits and you'll see he's billed as Lt. Geyser Shitdick.

Infantile.

Excuse me? 2

"I'm only good for two things. Degreasing engines and killing brain cells."

There's a bug in the logic program!

Cypher, prior to his surprise return at the end of the second film, sells his friends out for a steak dinner. This makes sense, because, as he points out, aboard the ship all they have to eat is the "cold goop" grown in the ship's vats.

Of course, he could always get a steak in the ship's construct. He wouldn't be nourished by it, but it's the experience he wants. Or, they could all stop at an Outback Steakhouse during one of their many trips inside The Matrix.

Eh, betraying all of humanity to eternal enslavement was probably easier.

There's a bug in the logic program! 2

If they're so hungry for meat, why not just cannabalize some of the humans attached to the Matrix? Their lives mean nothing, anyway.

PVC problems

If you're going into physical combat, do not wear skin-tight black plastic clothes. The chafing will literally draw blood, as we saw when such uniforms were tried by the French Army.

Moooooooo

Am I wrong to say that, despite the criticism of myself and other members of the intellectual elite, that this film will still make obscene amounts of money in ticket sales? Hollywood knows how to push buttons, and it knows Matrix fans inside and out. These lowing cattle will lap up the multimillion dollar flash and fire just as beasts stand in the pasture and lap up their evening bowls of cow pudding.

Oh, yes, I think it is safe to say that once all you Matrix fanboys out there get a load of the blinding, hyperkinetic Reloaded climax, you'll walk out of the theater still very pale, fat and lonely.

Also consider...

Keanu Reeves.

Hacker heroes?

"He's been going for ten hours straight. He's a machine."

That's right. The first indication that Neo was The One was his ability to spend ten hours sitting in a chair. There's your hero, computer dorks! "Hey, check out the neuralkinetics between the chair and his arse!"

Hacker heroes? 2

Computer nerds are heroes? The good ones are listed among an elite, chosen few?

That's odd, because I mastered the complex code it took to format this web page in half an hour. I guess that means I'm The One!

Hacking And Overclocking - What? (2, Insightful)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372675)

This has to be the most ridiculous comparison for a diet I've ever heard. Instead of overclocking - pushing the body to do more (maybe working out?) - the Atkins diet makes the body digest itself because of carbohydrate depravation.

Want to know what the Atkins diet is like, in Nerd terms? It's like discarding all but 2 megs of ram and cannibalising your disk as virtual memory / swap space. "Hey, I'll save money by not buying a gym membership by just starving my body!"

Re:Hacking And Overclocking - What? (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372710)

"Hey, I'll save money by not buying a gym membership by just starving my body!"
Funny, except you aren't starving your body on the Atkins diet.

Re:Hacking And Overclocking - What? (5, Informative)

csimicah (592121) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372715)

the Atkins diet makes the body digest itself because of carbohydrate depravation.

If by "digesting itself" you mean "digesting its fat stores", then yes, you're correct. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that's what fat is for.

There's a reason our bodies have a such mode as lipolysis; it was meant to be used once in a while.

Cowboyneal (0, Offtopic)

Pingular (670773) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372684)

If you're reading this...

Its a Feature! (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372702)

The eternal excuse:
"It might be that we're designed actually to operate that way, instead of eating a whole bunch of processed carbs. [With a low-carb diet] it actually may be that we're gearing our diets to how we should be eating.
It might be a feature, not a bug. "

I'm a fat geek. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372704)

atkins rules (0)

dfn5 (524972) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372713)

I've been on atkins for a month now and it rules. Any diet that lets me have eggs and sausage for breakfast, every day, is the diet for me. And I've lost 10 pounds so far. Halloween was kind of a bitch, but I made it through it. I had my wife dispose of the extra candy at her place of work. Let them get fat. :-)

Dieting (2, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372722)

Most people have terrible diets.

Fancy systems may or may not work, they may or may nto have nasty side effects.

The one that I think works best is simple.

Eat less and healthier, get some excercise, and drink water.

Few points, it is cheaper then most systems.
It is probaly cheaper then your current unhealthy diet. Drinking enough water, or excercising alone are going to improve your health.

Re:Dieting (1)

jsgates (232994) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372799)

Yes, they do improve your health, but not nessisarly help you lose weight. I walk/jog ~5 miles a day, 5 days a week, and lift weights 3-4 days a week for 45-60 min. Even with this, and eating a diet consisting mainly of what are considered healthy foods (fruit, veggies, chicken, whole wheat pasta/bread, etc) I was unable to lose much weight. When I tried the Atkins diet however, the weight flew off, and I kept my muscle.

Just wish I hadn't gone off of it, time to start up again :)

I can't see Hackers on Atkins..... (1)

confused philosopher (666299) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372724)

Because can you picture a code monkey without their beer?

And never mind the Pringles, and other high carb foods for those late nights creating stuff.

If you want the ultimate in body hacking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372727)

..check out Dan Duchaine's Body Opus. Lots of crazy stuff in there.

About dieting... (1)

Fishbu (708721) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372731)

This has probably been said already but the most effective way to lose weight is good ol' fashioned healthy eating and regular exercise.

Diets are just a way to quickly lose weight then to (just as quickly) gain it again. For the most part they're not effective in keeping pounds off permanently. A general way to think about this is that what you get out is proportional to what you put in. There are no free lunches.

Programmer's Diet Plan (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372734)

John Cash, who used to be with iD Software, once published this diet plan in his .plan back while they were developing Quake II.

Plan:
Busy, busy, busy workin' on Quake2. I wish I could tell you about it, but I can't.

For now, I'll introduce "the Cash diet" to the world. I'd never really formalized my secret diet before, but the guys and girls (w00p) in my clan dragged it out of me one night. So here it is. [drumroll]

The Cash Diet Plan
==================
What to eat:
Red meat
Lots of it. Cooked rare or medium rare.
Burgers, steaks, meatballs.. whatever.
No steak sauce, but gravy or juice is good.
Fried stuff:
Mainly potato chips and french fries.
Not those lame baked ones; real ones with
salt and oil and fat (and flavor) and maybe
bbq, vinegar, or something hot/spicy.
Dessert
Good stuff, not that low fat/low calorie crap.
Whipped cream is a definite plus. Important
note: you are not restricted to only one.
Feel free to start out with a dessert as a
pre-appetizer appetizer.
Appetizers
Loaded nachos, Buffalo wings, Onion rings.

What to drink:
Non-diet soft drinks (preferably with high
levels of caffeine)
Real beer

Snacks:
Yes, of course. Anytime you want. I find
a snack to be good right before or right
after exercising. Contrary to what you might
be thinking, fruit is actually OK as a snack...
as long as you "wash it down" with a candy bar.

Exercise:
Hey, what kind of diet doesn't include exercise?
This is the key to my diet. There is only one
exercise that is aerobic, burns lots of calories,
and you'll actually enjoy doing. As an added
bonus it can be singles, couples, or even teams.
I'm talking, of course, about good old fashioned
sex. The more the better (but take it easy when
working out alone!) BTW, here's where that
whipped cream on the desserts can come in handy.

There you have it. I think it'll catch on.. I mean,
what is there not to like?

So, I hear you thinking: sounds great, but does it really work? Well, it does for me. I'm 5'10" and
weigh 125 pounds. I eat what I want, when I want, and "work out" as often as possible (w00p!!!)

Warning: There is one possible side effect of this diet... ummm... I have two of 'em... both boys So practice safe dieting.

Junk Science (2, Insightful)

molafson (716807) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372748)

Atkins diet is basically just a low calorie diet in disguise (as you eliminate carbs, you eliminate a major source of calories).

Also, as in ANY diet, under Atkins you are forced to pay close attention to your food consumption. This is a good, healthy thing in itself (to be aware of your food consumption). That awareness alone, regardless of the Atkins method specifically, may promote weight loss.

BTW, I suspect all Atkins' insulin, ketosis, etc. theory is all junk science.

An apple a day..... makes you fat? (2, Insightful)

acordes (69618) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372751)

Props to all those who have tried Atkins and lost weight. However, I can't understand how a diet that tells you not to eat pears, apples, etc. can be healthy for you. It will be interesting to see 10 years down the road what the long term effects of Atkins are.

Take the time to do the research (1)

Critter92 (522977) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372756)

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ lcd.html

The "hacking your metabolism" argument is not well defended by the research. However, the constraints of not eating carbos does tend to reduce your caloric intake, leading to weight loss.

You'll know the hacker's diet has gone mainstream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372758)

...when you can order low-carb Mountain Dew.

Try the Drinking Man's Diet (3, Funny)

christopherfinke (608750) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372760)

Oh, I'm on the Drinking Man's Diet,
It came from a book I was loaned.
It's really terrific and quite scientific
And I'm half stoned.

For breakfast some cornflakes and vodka,
But cornflakes have carbohydrate;
So I don't eat those fattening cornflakes,
I eat the vodka straight.

Drink, drink, everyone drink;
It's not as bad as we used to think.
With every Manhattan your stomach will flatten,
So drink, drink, drink.

The Air Force invented this diet,
A fact which they hotly deny.
Of course they deny it, 'cause this is the diet
That got the Air Force high.

For lunch you can have three martinis,
What better lunch is there than that?
But caution: do not eat the olives,
'Cause olives make you fat.

Drink, drink, everyone drink;
It's not as bad as we used to think.
If pounds you would burn off, then turn on your Smirnoff,
And drink, drink, drink.

For dinner, a nice Scotch and soda
Now that oughtta help you to lose.
No whipped cream, no butter, just lay in the gutter
And booze, booze, booze.

Suppose you should meet a policeman,
Who says you've been quenching your thirst;
You just tell him it's physical fitness
And health comes first!

Drink (hic!), drink (hic!), booze everywhere (hic!);
Pass that decanter of bourbon there.
I'm fatter than ever, but here's what's so clever:
I don't care!

-- Allan Sherman

Gross (3, Insightful)

Pave Low (566880) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372766)

I've seen the people on Atkins, and just watching them eat makes me puke. I love bacon, steak, and fatty stuff as much as the next guy, but who likes downing all that stuff everyday without carbs, and other stuff.

It's usually morbidly obese people who are doing this, and while I don't doubt it works, those people are still far from healthy. They still carry a few extra pounds, don't exercise, and they reek.

It's funny how humans have lived on a staple of grains, rice, potatoes for thousands of years, and billions around the world continue to do so, and now it's no good for you? No thanks, I'll continue to eat whatever I want in moderation, and exercise frequently. It's a lot easier and healthier than these fad diets.

No Caffeine? (1)

magellanic (689252) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372772)

How can this diet become popular with hackers if it involves giving up caffeine? [atkins.com]

everything is a hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#7372778)

haqattaq

Atkins is no good (2, Troll)

mark_space2001 (570644) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372779)

I don't know anyone who's lost weight with Atkins. Mostly it makes people sick, and all the meat drives their cholesterol levels up. (Didn't know that, did you?)

Actually I take that back. One woman I know did loose weight on a high protein diet. She had been trying to get pregnant for many years, and when she did she went to the doctor and got a stern talking to about her weight, which when combined with the pregnancy wasn't a good thing. Like nearly life threatening.

So after the baby was born, she went on a high protein diet that was recommended by her doctor. Since she was very obese, her medical health insurance paid for it. She went through a special medical firm that specialized in this program. She had heart check-ups like daily to make sure there were no imbalances in um potassium I think, and she had a boatload of proscribed vitamins that she was taking to replace what she was loosing daily due to ketosis.

That medically managed program worked for her. Buy the book do-it-yourself jobbies are disasters. If you think you might qualify, see a doctor and find out if your health insurance will cover a medical program.

If not, then there is only one answer. I'm sorry I don't have the Opus cartoon to link to, but I do remember the quote after Opus's latest fad diet, a combination of the Parsley and Prunes diet and the Frog legs and Flatulence diet.

"Eat less and exercise more."

Darlin' there ain't no other way.

Article reads like my inbox (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372782)

What's next? Viagra advertisements? Mortage deals on Slashdot? HARDCORE XXX TEENS in my journal? ... Wait...

Screw Atkins, go Vegan (2, Interesting)

Klowner (145731) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372797)

I myself am not a vegan, but my mother is. She's nearly 50 and she only requires about 5-6 hours of sleep, and is way more hyperactive than I am (I'm 20, and about 10lbs over where I'd like to be). She didn't go on the diet to lose weight or anything, just for health reasons.

I don't have the will power to do such a thing, but I know I'd be more mentally and physically active if I did.. And although the high meat intake of the Akins diet may cause people to lose weight, I know it would make me feel like crap in the long run, and give me cancer or something. I've also heard of people on the Atkins diet having real problems with energy, although most geeks don't expend much physical energy, the mental energy is still required.

utilizing low-carb methods to modify the metabolism is analogous to hacking and overclocking the body
Yeah, and overclocking often causes equipment to have a slightly shorter life span, doesn't sound good to me.

If anything I need to give up the coffee and start eating more plants.. And if anyone is interested in learning more about the diet here it is [hacres.com] .

- Klowner
[Klown's Wallpapers [dugnet.com] ]

You Can't Fool Mother Nature (3, Insightful)

ebusinessmedia1 (561777) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372801)

You can't fool Mother Nature

Human beings did not evolve to subsist on protein. We evolved as *active* animals who browsed and hunted for food.

The current social environment mitigates against health. There is too much food available, too much stress, not enough 'meaningful personal connection' (loss of the tribe?), too little movement [exercise], etc.

It's understandable that a population that is grossly unhealthy seeks tweaked solutions to health.

Atkins, like many other tweaks, will sooner or later be found to cause health problems, and drop from favor.

What's unfortunate - and ironic - about all these body tweaks, is that there is a grain (pun intended) of truth in most of them. It's probably a good thing that people move away from refined carbohydrates, add reasonable amounts of healthy fat to the diet, consume a greater portion of protein relative to carbs than has been the case for the last several decades, etc.

Unfortunately, the 'overclocking' crowd hoes whole hog (pun intended, again) on this stuff - the water diet, the grapefruit diet, the protein diet, etc. A price will be paid.

The Atkins Diet not what Mother Nature intended, and she always has her way in the end.

What I would like to see is a more in depth analysis - by individual - of how different bodies matabolize different foods, or combinations of foods. That day is coming. When we're they're (it's a way off), we'll have a better idea about what 'works' for us as individuals, and be able to intelligently act on that.

One last thing: populations and food availability co-evolve. One of the reasons why the French and Italians do so well with a lot of wine is because they're been drinking it for hundreds of generations. Those who coudn't take the Italian, French, Chinese, or whatever diet, died off, and tended not to reproduce. Those who were left are the ones who were able to handle it, and thrive on it (for the most part).

There have been interesting studies that return Southwest American Indians to their original diets, lost generations ago. What's startling about these studies is that many individuals who were diabetic, or had other health problems, experienced dramatic returns to health, or major improvement as a result of diet.

We might say the same for the typical American diet, with it's high sugar, refined carbohydrate and other oddities. If we did nothing at all, over generations (many of them) an 'American' genotype would evolve that was able to deal with the current toxins in the American diet (even pesticides), and thrive on them.

Sure, Atkins will work very well for some small number of people over a long period of time. However, many more people will most likely pay a price in compromised health (or general frustration)over the long term with Atkins diet, or any other diet that doesn't work the way MOther Nature intended.

Alternatively (4, Insightful)

greygent (523713) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372817)

Alternatively, you can implement a life plan where you exercise and eat right (Atkins diet != right).

The key is to collect recipes for quick meals that are comprised of as few processed foods as possible. A George Foreman grill is a must. I suggest subscribing to the few men's fitness magazines that are out there, as they have both recipes and exercises for people in a hurry. The magazines are tailored for busy people. Buy the $16.95 Body For Life book as it is full of exercise and food tips.

Dumb bells and a weight bench are cheap, alternatively, you could just go for 30 minute walks. Avoid driving, when possible. Shitcan your pansy-assed Segway. Invest in a good bicycle.

Fad diets, like the Atkins diet, are just stupid shortcuts that work, somewhat, but don't think it's a healthy lifestyle. The Atkins diet is for lazy people who don't exercise much. You'll certainly get thinner, but not any healthier. And once you go off the diet, you'll just balloon up again. Whereas with exercise and more muscle, your body will burn more calories (and fat).

Atkins does NOT work (1)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#7372820)

The Atkins diet does not work in the long run. Yes, at first you lose the weight and this is why everyone thinks this is a great diet. But you cannot keep off carbs forever, you eventually have to bring them back into your diet, and as soon as you do the weight will come back. This is NOT the diet for you if you want permanent weight loss.

Now if you want to lose a few quick pounds so you can fit into your tux or something, this will work in the short term. But don't fool yourself into thinking it's permanent. It's not. And keep in mind that the lack of carbohydrates decreases insulin production, so you are playing with your body chemistry in a futile attempt to permanently lose weight.

Wand to permanently lose weight? Find a healthy, sustainable, balanced diet that cuts your daily caloric intake. That's it. Lose calories, lose weight. Sorry pizza boys, but that's the secret. Atkins fails because you cannot keep on that diet long term and be healthy. So you need to permanently drop calories while maintaining a balanced diet that will do the trick. That's hard to do.

Which is why so many people are fat.

Including ex-Atkins people.

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