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Red Hat Linux Support To End

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the no-more-hat-polishing dept.

Red Hat Software 1175

Orbital Sander writes "Received a missive this morning from the Red Hat Network, stating that they will discontinue maintenance on Red Hat Linux 7.x and 8.0 by the end of 2003, and on Red Hat 9.0 by the end of April, 2004. And, more ominously: 'Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.' [The full text of the email is on Newsforge.] Kind of the end of an era, and the new king has already been appointed: Red Hat Linux is dead! Long live Red Hat Enterprise Linux! Looks like they realized that only their support contract-based version of the product was making them any money." Readers also note that Red Hat is pointing users to the free Fedora Project.

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GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378955)

Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Take your ass grease pills and put your helmet on
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God's love shove up you
Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Shove Up
This is Ground Control to Yoda Doll
You've really made the grade
And the papers want to know whose butts you tear
Now it's time to leave the suppository if you dare
"This is Yoda Doll to Ground Control
I'm stepping through the door
And I'm stinking in a most peculiar way
And the ass look very different today
For here am I sitting in an ass can
Far inside the butt
My face is turning blue
And there's nothing I can do
Though I'm past one hundred thousand bowels
I'm feeling very still
And I think my buttship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I ream her very much, she knows"
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you....
"Here am I floating in my ass can
Far inside his Moon
My face is turning blue
And there's nothing I can do."

A sad day (4, Funny)

ike6116 (602143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378957)

so long, and thanks for all the RPMs.

Re:A sad day (5, Interesting)

bmalia (583394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379049)

Yes, very sad day. The free Red Hat Linux may not have been bringing in cash, but how well can enterprise do on its own? I mean, if all the redhat linux hackers out there switch to a different flavor, won't they bring that flavor to the workplace as well? Feel's like this is the death of redhat.

Wow. (-1)

scumbucket (680352) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378960)

I guess all the trolls out there can mass change there BSD is dying trolls to Red Hat is dead.....

Dang. (2, Informative)

maelstrom (638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378966)

By far my favorite desktop. Redhat + Ximian Gnome = Goodness.

Hopefully Fedora will keep pace with things.

Re:Dang. (1)

spacecowboy420 (450426) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379089)

Except when Ximian breaks apt-get - I know red carpet yadayada - I prefer apt-get. I also believe mozilla smokes the Ximian mail client. Yeah, Ximian looks cool, but when you try to apply a filter to 32000 + messages, it sucks - thunderbird doesn't. There are also no real junk mail controls, at least not on par with thunderbird. I believe it is simply best to run Gnome/Kde with the Mozilla offerings - that is if you want to actually be productive.

No Red Hat 10? (-1, Insightful)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378969)

'Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.'

And yet, loaded on the computer sitting beside me, I have a beta of what I would consider Red Hat 10 (or, at least 9.1). Are they seriously suggesting that those of us that rely on Red Hat's reputation as one of the driving companies behind Linux switch to another company to continue getting a FREE Operating System? Isn't that the point of Linux in the first place?

Re:No Red Hat 10? (4, Interesting)

Rik van Riel (4968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379011)

It means Red Hat isn't going to sell a product in the Red Hat Linux line.

It doesn't say there won't be a distribution in the tradition of Red Hat Linux. In fact, Fedora Core 1 is about to be released ...

Re:No Red Hat 10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379026)

Congratulations!!!! You win the laziest slashdotter of the day award for not only failing to read the article but for failing to read the slashdot blurb entirely.

I can only guess that you were so desperate to get first meaningful post that you neglected to notice that RedHat is not asking you to switch companies but that they are only going to support the enterprise version from now on.

Re:No Red Hat 10? (1)

Matrix272 (581458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379078)

Congratulations!!!! You win the laziest slashdotter of the day award for not only failing to read the article but for failing to read the slashdot blurb entirely.

Uh... yeah... The part about Fedora wasn't there when I posted.

I can only guess that you were so desperate to get first meaningful post that you neglected to notice that RedHat is not asking you to switch companies but that they are only going to support the enterprise version from now on.

Hence the FREE part.

Re:No Red Hat 10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379129)

Uh... yeah... The part about Fedora wasn't there when I posted.

Sure it wasn't. Maybe that is because you were so anxious to get first post.

Hence the FREE part.

Free as in beer? Redhat was never about Free as in beer. The only reason to ever use Redhat was to get support.

Re:No Red Hat 10? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379027)

Fedora 1.0 will be basically RedHat 10. The Fedora project is sponsored by RedHat and took over the codebase. I am currently using Fedora Test 3 (upgraded from RedHat 9).

It's called Fedora. Where have you been this year? (0)

YOU ARE SUCH A FAG! (719889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379046)

n/t

Re:No Red Hat 10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379066)

Moderators please note that Matrix272 is a first post artist. He is manipulating the moderation system by posting something that seems insightful but really isn't and he is doing it quickly in an attempt to get first post.

Please do not reward this behavior.

Re:No Red Hat 10? (1)

The Bod (18970) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379090)

The point of any company is to make money. If Red Hat is not making money from you, why should they care if you switch to another flavor of Linux from another vendor who also doesn't make money off of you?

Re:No Red Hat 10? (1)

pagercam2 (533686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379134)

'Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.'

And yet, loaded on the computer sitting beside me, I have a beta of what I would consider Red Hat 10 (or, at least 9.1). Are they seriously suggesting that those of us that rely on Red Hat's reputation as one of the drivingcompanies behind Linux switch to another company to continue getting a FREE >Operating System? Isn't that the point of Linux in the first place?

They do NOT say that they will not have follow on products just no a product in the "Red Hat Linux line", so they may be changing names to signify a new business model or some variant on that. Their business is based on Linux so I can't see them going away from that but changes in their business model (support contracts or 900 number or whatever) maybe required to grow the company.

BOTH Linux AND BSD???!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378972)


dead!

It is truly a sad technical state we find ourselves in...

No problem for me.... (0, Offtopic)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378973)

I'm using Mandrake ;)

Re:No problem for me.... (1)

tickleboy2 (548566) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379095)

I thought this too at first, but Mandrake is based on Red Hat Linux which makes me wonder what is going to happen to Mandrake now that Red Hat isn't going to developing the desktop version any more. I guess they are going to have to pick up the slack which isn't that good considering they are in a precarious position in the first place. Being a Mandrake user myself, I sure hope this doesn't affect them too much.

Re:No problem for me.... (1)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379118)

> Mandrake is based on Red Hat Linux

Nope (not the case anymore for... 4 years!).

Re:No problem for me.... (2, Informative)

The Jonas (623192) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379139)

I'm using Mandrake as well. I used RH 7.3 & 8.0 but switched.

However, as commented on in a previous /. story [slashdot.org] , source RPM's for RHEL are available for download so that they are in compliance with the GPL.

The comment I am referring to is a couple of posts down on the first page of comments.

Guess it's bout time (1)

SuperguyA1 (90398) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378974)

Guess it's bout time I figured out how to use the debian installer.

Re:Guess it's bout time (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379028)

Or the Mandrake installer...

No more income from me then (4, Interesting)

schnuf (103708) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378977)

From where I'm standing this looks like a very silly step on Redhat's behalf.

I have two Redhat boxes at the moment, one running 7.1 which handles mail and DNS for me a half a dozen friends/family, the other running 9.0 which is purely a remote backup server (rsync copies data to it daily).

I use Redhat because despite the fact that I installed 7.1 a couple of years ago I pay my $60 a year so that I can run "up2date" once a day to keep my security patches up to date. I pay my $60 for both systems.

I also buy a copy of Redhat every 18 months or so.

Now that they have decided to stop updating 7, 8 and 9 they are forcing me to migrate both boxes. I don't have time to scan the web looking for security updates for hundreds of packages, so I need an update service. Hell, I only installed the 9.0 box 4 months ago and come next April updates stop !

So it looks like they are forcing me to either move to Redhat Enterprise to get security updates from them. It looks like I would have to stump up two lots of $379 just to get a two copies of Enterprise and 12 months of update for my two boxes.

I obviously don't want to pay that much...

So I guess I'm going to have to migrate to Debian or something instead ?

The end result for Redhat, no more income from me.

They aren't worried (3, Insightful)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379053)

They aren't worried that you don't pay them anymore. Even if there are a few people like you out there who pay them, they are losing more money than they make from the RedHat Linux product line. In short: they don't care about your money.

Re:No more income from me then (1)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379058)

The end result for Redhat, no more income from me.

Same here, I have 21 subscriptions for myself and 1/2 dozen clients...

Any on have some good suggestions on alternatives keeping in mind that I have to use something with "name brand" recognition?

Re:No more income from me then (1)

sloanster (213766) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379112)

Oh dear, the sky is falling....

Nah, you can still run RHN on fedora releases - if you want to switch to debian (ouch) feel free, but you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face IMHO

can somone elaborate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378979)

what does this mean for linux and all the distros based on red hat?

ITS MICROSOFT'S FAULT!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378980)

oooh i hate them soooo much!!! DARRR

wow. (2, Interesting)

pb (1020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378981)

I hate to say it, but even Microsoft gives better support guarantees than that. On the plus side, however, I never needed support from RedHat when I did use their products, and now that I've switched to Gentoo, I don't have to worry about it at all!

Best of luck to you, RedHat; hopefully this move won't anger too many large clients of yours...

Re:wow. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379042)

Yeah, since you switched to Gentoo, the only thing you have to worry about is the anonymous gay anal sex in the men's bathroom.

Re:wow. (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379087)

That's because Microsoft has a lot more money and market share to be able to support their desktop products. RedHat is small and has to aim for the enterprise in order to get profit.

Just a small setback (2, Insightful)

KD5YPT (714783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378982)

Hey, there are other companies distributing Linux. Who needs Red Hat? Sure Linux has a little less supporter now. But we still got several supporters backing us.

Oh Noes (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378985)

Oh noes, only 59818932 distros left! What will we do?

Think debian stable. (1)

waxmop (195319) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378988)

RedHat finally realized that most IT departments don't like upgrading every 9 months to the next batch of bleeding-edge sofware. Enterprise linux focuses on stability and has an 18-month release cycle.

Not completely gone. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378989)

(1) You will still be able to get the sources for free, so if you (or someone) wants to build the entire distro using the source, go ahead.

(2) Fedora is still going to be around, which will most likely fill the gap left by the death of non-enterprise RedHat

Hmm... (0, Flamebait)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378991)

Who do I know that uses Redhat? No one, really, except maybe a couple of people who have dualboots and claim that "the computer is running linux version 9! what kernel? version 9 of course!"

Everyone seems to be on Mandrake or Debian.

Re:Hmm... (2, Insightful)

GreyPoopon (411036) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379082)

Who do I know that uses Redhat? No one, really, except maybe a couple of people who have dualboots and claim that "the computer is running linux version 9!

Allow me to introduce myself. I'm running RedHat 7.1 on the server for my small business, and I even know that I'm not running version "7.1" of Linux. Although I must confess that I can't remember which kernel I last installed...either 2.2.X or 2.4.X. I was considering purchasing one of the 9.X versions of RedHat, but I've been teetering on the fence between that and Mandrake. I'd like to give special thanks to RedHat for helping me to make the decision.

Re:Hmm... (1, Insightful)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379123)

And why is it bad that people don't know the version of the kernel they run? I bet that virtually no Windows users know what build of the kernel they're running.

That's one huge obstacle that will keep Linux from the desktop: people like this that think that dual-booting and running a mainstream distro are bad things.

Time to return to Microsoft, LOL (-1, Flamebait)

AnnieCoulter (720399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378993)

Hahaha, commie Linux fails!! Start paying for your software you liberals!! Corporate capitalism is awesome!

-----
Dubya's shlong is much bigger than Dean's, that's why I'm voting for him.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378995)

Everybody oughta have switched over to Debian ages ago.

It's not too late (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379101)

You can switch to Debian today and get the same distro you would have gotten if you had switched two years ago.

Crud. (4, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7378997)

While I can understand Red Hat's thinking on this one, I don't really agree with it.

I use Red Hat 9 at home. Because of this, when time came to roll out some Linux servers at work and my boss asked me which we should use, I told him "Red Hat Enterprise" (we wanted support and had the money to pay for it).

I suspect that for a reasonably significant portion of their market, Red Hat Linux (and cooresponding useful items like RHN) is the primary reason that their customers buy Enterprise. I hope they've considered this...

Re:Crud. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379076)

In two years you will be using Fedora at home, and when your boss askes you what to use, you will say "Red Hat Enterprise" because you want support.

All that's happening here is that the free download, no support Red Hat is going to be called Fedora, and a loose committee of volunteers will pick package versions and make other decisions, kind of like Debian or Gentoo or other distributions not run by a business. Red Hat will sell a version of that with support contracts, and keep a close enough eye on Fedora and have enough employees helping out there that they can steer / follow the direction it is going in.

Branding Move - it seems to be (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7378999)

Before anyone here prophecize the end of Red Hat and persuade people to move to other distributions let me say this. Well!!It definitely looks like just a re-branding move to avoid any confusion. They are just branding enterprise solutions to Red Hat Enterprise Linux and the non-commercial line becomes Fedora.

To me it looks to be a smart move. Others might disagree

Well... (2, Informative)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379001)

...it's not like there aren't any [debian.org] other [slackware.com] Linux [gentoo.org] distros [suse.com] .

Re:Well... (2, Informative)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379083)

Or other [lindows.com] great [mandrakesoft.com] user oriented distros [ximian.com] out there.

no more red hat? (1)

addaboy (103441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379002)

I'm not familiar with their enterprise version. is it free (as in beer) to use? If not, there won't be anymore red hat for the masses? Guess I'll have to learn debian now.

Old news (5, Informative)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379003)

This info has been around for a long time. Red Hat Fedora Core 1 was due to be released today, but they found an issue so it's delayed, as you can see from the Fedora schedule [redhat.com] . You can read the mailing list post about it here [redhat.com] .

Re:Old news (4, Informative)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379069)

Also, according to the Fedora site, the RedHat Linux Project is merging with Fedora. So, RedHat will be continued in the unsupported Fedora.

The worst thing about this... (3, Insightful)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379004)

is that it leaves us without a really easy to install distro for new users.

I think Mandrake fills that hole to some extent, but they're largely a repackaged RH, and I can't help wondering whether they'll be able to maintain rpm, cygwin, and all the other widely used RH products on their own. Will RH still be employing Cox?

It *is* possible to make money off free software - look at Hans Reiser [namesys.com] , or MySQL [mysql.com] . For that matter, Slashdot and LiveJournal [livejournal.com] use totally open source software, even if the software isn't where they make their money.

Why hasn't RH been able to do the same?

Re:The worst thing about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379062)

Mandrake ceased being a RH-based distro a long time ago.

--
AnonyCow

Re:The worst thing about this... (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379065)

Red Hat will still be maintaining RPM and employ the kernel hackers... what do you think the Enterprise Linux is based on? FreeBSD and .debs?

Re:The worst thing about this... (1)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379108)

So they just won't be publishing the desktop "redhat linux" variant then?

And I guess Enterprise Linux probably in some way involves Linux, yes. And perhaps I should have thought of that :).

Re:The worst thing about this... (1)

bdeclerc (129522) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379100)

Oh come on, Mandrake hasn't been RH repackaged since many years. Beside which, RedHat aren't stopping Linux, they will be concentrating on RH Enterprise Linux, so they'll continue to work on things like rpm and the like.

Besides : leaving us without a really easy to install distro? What are you smoking : Mandrake, SuSE, Xandros, Lycoris, Knoppix, even Lindows are as easy as, if not easier to install than Red Hat.

I think you really need to take of those 1998 glasses, we're almost 2004 and the world has changed in the meantime!

Re:The worst thing about this... (1)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379138)

Well I haven't used Linux in several years, and when I install it this coming week it will probably be a non-RH-based variant like Gentoo or Debian, so I don't know much about the the "beginner" distros.

This shouldn't be a surprise by now (4, Interesting)

Hanashi (93356) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379006)

RedHat announced this a couple of months ago. Since then, pretty much everyone I know who based their organization on RedHat is desperately seeking a solution. Fedora seems attractive, until you realize that their support policy only provides around 9 months of support for any release. The Fedora Legacy Project wants to increase this to 18 months, but so far they are just getting organized, so it remains to be seen how reliable they will be.

This is a bad situation for those of us using RedHat Linux, but there *is* hope.

Who stands to reason? (2, Interesting)

defunc (238921) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379010)

Just another MSFT nail in the coffin to prove that

1. everybody's got to eat, which means, someone's got to pay
2. going opensource is not for every company.

It's a good day in Redmond.

Obviously, (-1, Flamebait)

pkp_gl211 (703656) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379012)


this is an attempt by RedHat to stop catering to the working man and simply give in to large corporations.

Would you expect anything different with Bush in the whitehouse?

Re:Obviously, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379131)

Please keep your hands inside the car. Do not feed the troll. Repeat. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

Another reason to use Gentoo or Debian (2, Informative)

stone2020 (123807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379013)

You don't have to worry about them making money.

linux sucks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379014)

linux sucks

Weird (0)

jargoone (166102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379017)

The first distribution I heard of, the one that introduced me to Linux. I have since moved on to bigger and better things [debian.org] , but this will definitely create a hole. Nonetheless, Linux will move on.

They'll lose (4, Interesting)

DougJohnson (595893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379020)

The server line only is so successful because of the branding of the desktop line. If they drop one, they'll lose the other. Not to mention that it's Almost to the point that corps will be willing to pay for it! That's great, drop the OS just as it's about to become functional!

The Difference? (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379021)

I'm a Slackware user so I have a question:

What is the difference between Red Hat Linux, and Red Hat Enterprise Linux, other than the price tag?

Need a lower tier version. (4, Informative)

Godeke (32895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379023)

The main problem I had when I received this is they seem to be really focused on the "Enterprise" aspect of this. I am a happy subscriber to the update service with a handful of servers. However, none of these boxes are really "servers" in the heavy duty use sense. We use them as firewalls, and one as a light duty PHP/mysql/web server for doing bug tracking, design documents, etc for the developers.

Under the old scheme, I was able to purchase the low end version and run it as a light duty web server. Now, looking at the product mix, it looks like they are taking the Microsoft 'your workstation isn't a web server' approach to stratification.

pisstake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379029)

Huge mistake. RHAT may not profit on the desktop;
but it's great advertising for them. The guys
that build big systems that use Red Hat support
prototype these systems on laptops and desktops
running RedHat Linux. Lesser end systems gives
Redhat credibility vis-a-vis Microsoft. If
Redhat dumps laptop and desktop systems,
they'll just wind up like SUN: fat , slow,
cornered dinosaurs.

RH leaving customers out cold? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379031)

What about those who bought boxed copies of Red Hat Linux? At least Microsoft supports their products for 5-8+ years.

Oh come on (1)

Espectr0 (577637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379032)

Maybe "Red Hat Linux Personal Edition" (the name) is dead, but a free desktop oriented red hat linux version is not. Fedora a.k.a Red Hat Linux X is coming, download only , not sold in stores

Not trying to troll or rant, but i probably am. (5, Interesting)

papasui (567265) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379033)

But you need to offer a service that someone wants in order to make money. I think people would pay for linux, it's a great OS, but when its perfectly legal to just download it and install it for free why would you pay for it? Only if the incentive for purchasing it was good enough. There's been plenty of companies that have tried to make a profit selling linux, but only a few have come out ok. I know everybody is going to bitch about the spirit of free software and all that crap, but the people at Red hat have families to feed too. Sometimes I wish linux was cheap not free. $50 for an enterprise class system is a damn good deal.

Re:Not trying to troll or rant, but i probably am. (1)

e40 (448424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379109)

Suse's Enterprise is not downloadable, unlike Red Hat's. I wonder if Red Hat will be changing this now... it might make sense.

possible side benefit (2, Interesting)

viniosity (592905) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379034)

A possible side benefit from this might be that, without the perceived dominance on the linux desktop, 3rd party vendors who produce closed source linux solutions may offer something other than RPMs for those of us who don't run Red Hat, Mandrake or Suse.

Yes, I realize that Debian can be made to use RPMs but frankly fooling a 3rd party installer into thinking I'm running Red Hat is not my cup of tea.

Long live Debian! (1)

elvesRgay (685389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379036)

I'm migrating 12 servers from red hat to debian. I just had to recompile the kernel for greater than 1 gig of ram and everything works great. And I don't have to pay any money for support I don't need.

Also apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; works in many cases better than up2date -f -u -p;

I think\hope that Redhat will notice that I am not the only person doing this sort of thing and may have to lower their prices. Its hard to go to the PHB with the costs comparisions of the "Free" OS costing more than Windows.

now before we all start crying..or cheering (4, Informative)

bernz (181095) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379037)

All they are saying is that Red Hat Linux will no longer be released by RedHat. This means that a company won't spend lots of money supporting, for free, a free project. Companies that make money on open source tend to do so through charging for support. Updates and maintainence of software trees are a type of support. So I guess they looked at the bottom line and said, "hey free publicity is lots of fun, but it's just not worth it."

BUT They still have and fund the Fedora Project [redhat.com] . This is essentially Red Hat linux. It's just no longer commercially supported. Just like debian.

Yet more proof (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379043)

That the open source business model is flawed.

Updates...? (1)

JobeJD (534379) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379044)

Why not just use apt? http://freshrpms.net/apt && synaptic? Works like a charm.. paying for updates is dmb.

G P L (4, Insightful)

brlancer (666140) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379045)

Red Hat will have to continue releasing any GPL'ed code in the same way they always have. You may not get any proprietary software, but I can't think of anything that was, in base Red Hat.

I'm less concerned with the "no new Red Hat" than with "You've got two months to upgrade". Many vendors only support what RH supports, so vendors may no longer support their products on the free system, and that's a big headache for SA's.

Fedora is in, though (1, Informative)

e40 (448424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379048)

Fedora [redhat.com] is the replacement for the free Red Hat.

You mean that now I'll be forced to ... (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379050)

choose from amongst the 50-60 free Linux distributions that are left? And also choose whether to go to OpenBSD, FreeBSD or NetBSD? That's just too much pressure, man.

ximian desktop and other piggyback products? (1)

madape (89730) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379051)

As a big fan and advocate of XD2, this doesn't sound like good news... Ximian made a nice face and updater for Red Hat 7, 8, and 9, but looks like SuSe's the wave of the future for the Ximain/Novell team.

Then again, it might be nice if Ximian Desktop 2.1 supported Debian...

Linux is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379056)

Daed si xunil!

old news? (1)

bazilla (716588) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379060)

I'm not sure why this was slashdotted. The deadlines for ending support are not new. RH will still be active in Fedora, won't it? And with yum, who needs up2date?

End of support (1)

adochan (238323) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379063)

I guess a lot of people will be sad to say the least that RedHat is pulling support for RH8.0 already. Stopping support for 9.0 seems fast, but then again so was the release.

As this (AFAIK) also means that RH will no longer maintain the updates/errata RPMs that kept my system up-to-date, I guess a lot of of people will start looking for alternatives. I guess I will be changing my system over to Gentoo [gentoo.org] ;)
All things aside, changing strategies might be a necessity to keep business up, but stopping support on a distribution so soon is just ridiculous. Even Win98 still lasted years and years:)

make perfect sense (1)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379064)

as a user i would rather pay $170 for a RH Workstation license that gives me support and full access to RedHat Network (for 3 years), then pay $99/year for access to RHN up2date only.

Not a shock in the least (4, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379068)

Anyone with an elementary school understanding of arithmetic and a lick of common sense can tell you that Red Hat's business model was unsustainable.

A free product, free downloads, free support?

Enterprise linux support? Sure, until it's profitable enough that Big Blue decides to take it from 'em.

Big Blue is the only company around poised to profit from Linux. And we all tip our hats and give them our full support. Hip hip hooray.

Does noone see that the open source community is nothing more than a source of free labour to IBM?

They'll milk Red Hat for free code, and when the work is completed to their satisfaction, they will have the might to succeed where SCO fails - "owning" Linux.

Why do people think IBM is a "good" company? Their track record makes MSFT look like a care bear convention.

*shrug* .. Debian etc... (1)

Nijika (525558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379072)

To pre-emptively smackdown the "Linux is dying" trolls... It's a bit sad, true, but I've always been bigger on the community support model.

I think of RedHat's support services as a bit of a crutch. I find I get better "support" from the horde of Debian users, for free, with the requirement that I think out my questions, and try to give back answers when I can.

Won't hurt me, or any of the profitable "small frys" that I know. Will it hurt big business? Meh, who cares.

My concern though; will this do -anything- to RedHat's contributions to Linux proper? I mean, they've done a fair share, hella fair share in fact.

A serious question (5, Interesting)

jxs2151 (554138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379074)

What happens when Free software conquers all and all the software companies are put out of business, letting their programmers go?

Open source software doesn't feed the family so what do all those out of work developers do? It seems to me that OSS is like a virus that eventually consumes its host, thus ending its own life.

This is a serious question from one who seeks to be educated.

Oh yeah, I already know that I am an idiot and most likely a facist, capitalist, bozo, insertyourlabelhere so save those type of comments for your high school classmates and please seek to address the question.

Anyone smell a Dead Rat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379080)

Time to switch to Suse!

Time to make the SWITCH! OS X rules the roost. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379081)

Forget about Redhat, why would you want to use this amateur operating system from a niche vendor anyway? Today, Mac OS X is the only real choice for true Unix enthusiasts. It is the most advanced operating available today, runs on the fastest and most advanced hardware available today, and has the benefits of professional developers standing behind it. It has a better GUI, more applications, and even powers the worlds fastest supercomputers! Think different, think professional, think Apple!

What to give to newbies now? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379091)

Hmmm. This is interesting. Old timers use Slack or Debian. Those that want something more modern or without crazy licencing nonsense use Gentoo. But what to give to someone when people ask if they should try Linux?

I used to just hand out the 3 Redhat CDs. But now? 6 Debian floppies? 1 Gentoo Live CD?

Many people simply think that Redhat is Linux. I think Redhat are doing themselves out of large amounts of new users. And what users are using at home, can be found in the work place a while later. (Classic example is me. Mail, DNS, and FW all on Gentoo now. Nice, stable and fast).

RedHat presents... (5, Funny)

ivanmarsh (634711) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379094)

New Coke.

Probably not their best move to date.

Bummer. (1)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379103)

Well I'll need to find something new to switch to by April then.

Because based on licensing my two little servers will need to spend $349 each.

Gentoo is looking like the winner. Just not real keen on doing that right now. Is there a howtoo anywhere that would let me not format my big 120GB volume?

RedHat limiting itself? (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379105)

So RedHat is an Enterprise OS company targetting what Sun/HP/MS/IBM are already been highly established in?

I'm just saying that it might not be a great high-growth area since there are already players in the market.

Interesting experiment (4, Interesting)

Halo- (175936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379106)

This promises to be interesting. I like RedHat, but mainly because of inertia. I've been running it since 6.2 and haven't been sufficently motivated to change. As a result, when asked what distro to run for professional applications, I say "RedHat" due mainly to farmiliarity.

Microsoft has been rumored to almost encourage "piracy" of their office suite because it leads to adoption by paying customers. RedHat is obviously a stepping stone to RHEL. Without providing a "personal" version, RedHat will be able to devote much more energy to large dollar corporate customers, but the lack of grassroots support may offset the increase.

Unfortunate (1)

EvilOpie (534946) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379113)

This is really a disappointment for me to hear. I'm surprised that they are ending support so soon, even for RH 9. We use various versions of RH on our servers at work, and while we can "support" these products on our own, this will mean that either we have to upgrade everything to their advanced server, or just go without ever being able to ever ask RH for support. It's a shame. Granted it's not THAT big of a deal for companies to just buy a copy of RH advanced server, but for little servers that's often overkill and an annoyance. (like for our 2 time servers on campus. They don't need Advanced Server since it would be just too much for the hardware that they run on.)

Ah well, it just makes me glad that I use Slackware at home and didn't get stuck with only using RH's GUI configuration tools, and RPM's to keep my system up to date. If I had never used anything besides Red Hat, I'd certainly be up a creek without a paddle!

Stock (1)

CGP314 (672613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379122)

I'm going to guess my RedHat stock is in freefall right now : (

A Place for Debian in the Enterprise ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379128)

yahoo story
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story &u=/nf/ 20031031/bs_nf/22602
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A Place for Debian in the Enterprise


"Pirated" RHL Enterprize CDs? (2, Interesting)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379132)

Whats to stop someone from passing around RHL Enterprize CDs? Surely the GPL allowes you to do that? Or is it so laced with proprietary stuff that stripping it out would be as hard as just creating a new distro?

IANARU btw.

switched to SuSE (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7379133)

I've seen using Red Hat exclusively since 5.2. Now I've basically been forced to migrating to SuSE partly because of the impending 9.0 support droppage but also because of the lack of x86-64 support from Fedora. And although I'm still in the early stages of migration, going from one Linux distro to another is less of a hassle than my original migration from Solaris to Red Hat.

It's going to be strange not giving Red Hat any more cash; getting a box full of distro CDs was a good deal back when I used a modem for internet access. But I'm willing to give Fedora a try when an x86-64 build arrives.

and people complain about ms... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7379135)

just now ending support for NT 4 which has been out for 10 years.
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