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Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the making-a-play dept.

Linux Business 672

Mickey Hill writes "Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, one of the world's leading enterprise Linux companies, expanding Novell's ability to provide enterprise-class services and support on the Linux platform. Novell expects the transaction to close by the end of its first fiscal quarter (January 2004). This latest move follows Novell's August purchase of Ximian."

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First p0st! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385651)

I hope they don't make SuSE use gnome (remember, the aquired Ximian), because SuSE is the best KDE distro around!

Re:First p0st! (3, Funny)

RossyB (28685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385670)

Dude, Novell bought SuSe to destroy KDE so that GNOME can win.


Re: bad news for KDE ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385721)

Novell bought SuSe to destroy KDE so that GNOME can win.

I'm not sure if Novell bought Suse to kill KDE specifically, but if I were a KDE developer, I'd be really worried. I'm just a KDE user, and my desktop's future doesn't look as good as it did last night.

Re: bad news for KDE ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385766)

I'm a GNOME user, and the future is looking great to me.

Re: bad news for KDE ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385844)

I'm not sure why they'd buy SuSE then, because their experience with GNOME is pretty much ZILCH.

As a GNOME user, I have an empty feeling in my stomach that they are going to KDE-ize Evolution and abandon Ximian's GNOME products. =(

Re: bad news for KDE ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385864)

Hopefully this doesn't happen! Ximian makes some of the best Gnome products around! I'm worried though, if Novell makes Ximian port their products to KDE, it might make RedHat fork the last version of Evolution. I really don't want to see that happen.

Re:First p0st! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385883)

More importantly, I think RedHat is pretty much FUCKED now. Novell controls the number two enterprise distro (SuSE), and some of the best enterprise products (Evolution)

As for KDE versus the GNOME thing, neither of them are going away, but I could see Novell making Ximian's products integrate better with KDE.

Re:First p0st! (3, Interesting)

jj00 (599158) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385690)

Maybe they will combine Ximian and SuSE into 2 different product offerings: SuSE, and SuSE Plus (for example). Regardless, it's clear that Novell is trying to realign themselves under Linux.

Re:First p0st! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385716)

I think they're just going to use KDE with GNOME-based products like Evolution. It'd probably take SuSE longer to polish a whole desktop environment (because face it, historically, SuSE's releases of GNOME have been pretty shoddy, they've even released it straight from gnome.org at times) than Ximian to make Evolution blend in a little better with KDE (Evolution/KDE integration isn't horrible.. since a lot of Evolution users, in fact, use KDE)

Directory Services? (2, Interesting)

epiphani (254981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385782)

Does this mean that Novell will implement a proper open-source directory service within linux as well? I understand their Netware product line will be migrating (or is migrated) to the linux platform, but what of something open? Or will novell just throw its proprietary software on top of linux, and ride the open source wave without giving anything worthwhile back (a la apple).

Novel owns j00 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385653)

RTFM, n00b!

Interesting (2, Interesting)

zyridium (676524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385655)

This looks like an interesting move. Novell used to make some interesting products before being owned and pushing to linux might make it easier to keep up with the boring hardware compatibility, performance crap.

Re:Interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385677)

boring hardware compatibility, performance crap.

This, along with the "boring, unimportant documentation crap" is the main reason Linux specifically and open source in general is a failure among all but the most pasty basement dwelling nerds.

How does it make you feel to know that your comment is the poster child for MS' ownage of Linux? I bet you thought you were being insightful, but you are dooming Linux to being the redheaded step child of MS.

First WMD post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385658)

We have all been lied to. We impeach an adulterer, but we don't impeach someone who sends our brothers and sons into the battlefield for corporate reasons?

Make sure you vote in the next election. And think before you do.

Thank you.

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385745)

I'm sure Novell and SCO are involved in Bu$h's lies.

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385775)

Bush Lies!! [bushlies.net]


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385793)

Interesting link ... thanks for posting this.

Good old Novell (3, Interesting)

GaelenBurns (716462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385660)

I'm glad to see Novell making a move here. They've been sliding into remission too long. I've still got a warm place in my heart from them for the 4.11 line that I used so extensively back in the school system.

SuSE sucks balls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385661)

stupid proprietary YaST (Yoda and Skywalker Teabagging)

FIRST POST. (0, Insightful)

dremspider (562073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385664)

No really this is not a good thing. I hope that SuSE, I mean SUSE doesnt follow the same route as Red Hat and abandon their desktop line. I have been using it on my desktop since 7.3 and have enjoyed every release.


Menthos (25332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385709)

I'm not sure Red Hat has abondoned their desktop line at all. If they had, BlueCurve would be a sure waste of money, would it? The RH desktop is alive and kicking with RHEL WS [redhat.com], albeit perhaps not aimed at the home user anymore.


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385742)

If you consider abandoning to be a process by which they further open the development process, include greater support from the 'community' and incorporate more cutting edge features than before since they don't need to worry about trying to turn a dime from people who are more likely to freeload than download (myself included) well, yeah - RedHat has abandoned you (http://fedora.redhat.com)

Re:FIRST POST. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385761)

Fedora! Fedora! Fedora! (http://fedora.redhat.com). For once, please read ...

Holy shit! (0, Insightful)

flea69 (667238) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385666)

This is sheer brilliance on the part of Novell...it is absolutely good news for Linux in general.

Re:Holy shit! (1)

camperslo (704715) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385800)

It'll be interesting to see how Novell's stock does after this.
While the fate of SUSE on the desktop may be uncertain, this has to be a good thing for Linux awareness and acceptance in general. I see this as a wise move at a time when whole countries are migrating away from MS. A top-down migration would start with the enterprise. And that allows a little more time for the load-the-CDs-and-go desktop distributions to get a little more polish. The Linux migration paper (translated from German I believe) here recently had made the strongest case for server and sizable environments.

As for the desktop, it seems like its about time for Mandrake .iso's with the latest patches to appear. Eagerly awaiting new torrents...

Re:Holy shit! (5, Insightful)

nehril (115874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385847)

novell has a long history of fucking up good ideas. only now, at the end, do they realize what has been kicking their ass: limited APP server offerings.

Novell is perceived by most of my customers as a (fairly kick ass) file-print-directory services server only system. but file-print-directory services are only part of what companies need these days. they need groupware/email (groupwise is a joke), they need SQL servers, and they need "Micro Vertical App Server" for Their Tiny Industry that somebody in a garage is addressing. And they want it all on the same platform, with integrated authentication.

small vertical apps is a big one, but it seems to be too much of a bitch to write these VBesque vertical apps on novell, so nobody does. "Small Dentist Office Accounting Pro" gets cooked up on windows by a small software company and not on novell. (incidentally this is a bit of a problem for linux on the desktop front: the crazy apps like "BeeKeeper Ranching and Honey Tracking" are what keep most businesses from switching on the desktop).

looks like Novell is trying to do what they failed to do with the original Unix license they pissed away: create a Novell branded viable app server platform. they screwed up the first time with proprietary unix. maybe a more open system will succeed, but knowing Novell, probably not.

Agreement details (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385668)

Apparently, the Novell CEO upon signing the agreement burst out into song: "Suse-Q, baby I love you, Suse-Q".

It really happened - I swear.

Bad Moon Rising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385779)

Let's hope there isn't a bad moon on the rise.

Willy and the Poor Boys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385826)

Down on the corner, out in the street,
Willy and the poor boys are playing,
Bring a nickel, stamp your feet.

Muhahahahhaha. Linux is taking over the world! The poor have risen up! Take arms! Overthrow! Fight for your rights! Down with the Captialist pigs! Muhahahahahahahahahhaha

Suse is dead meat (-1, Flamebait)

superangrybrit (600375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385674)

Let's face it: Novell is a company with no future.

Re:Suse is dead meat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385727)

when have I heard this before? oh yeah, for the last 20 years...

Re:Suse is dead meat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385729)

And Novell only speeds along the death. I swear I think Microsoft is funding Novell to do this.

Re:Suse is dead meat (1)

GaelenBurns (716462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385743)

This action may be creating their future. As I said above, I agree that they've been sliding towards irrelevance, but with this purchase, they could gain a whole new lease on corporate life. Let's pull for them - not shoot them down before they begin.

"a company with no future" (4, Interesting)

djeaux (620938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385790)

Let's face it: Novell is a company with no future.
A company that refuses to retool, change directions, acquire new interests, etc. is a company with no future. Acquiring Suse proves that Novell isn't quite ready to relegate itself to the footnotes of history. Time will tell... Personally, I don't think Novell will be able to every regain the dominance it enjoyed 10 years ago, but again, time will tell. At the very least, Novell is acquiring a technology that will be used, rather than following the lead of The-Company-That-Must-Not-Be-Named & just buying competition to kill it.

first redhat, now suse (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385684)

Looks like linux is heading for the toilet. Good thing my company stayed with Microsoft.

Woah! (0, Redundant)

dJCL (183345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385687)

Man, the old skool is coming back to take on the world!

Novell may just be doing the right thing here, this could be extreemly interesting.

Good. (4, Funny)

jon787 (512497) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385691)

Now SCO can sue the company that sold them UNIX.

Indeed (2, Interesting)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385719)

I bet they wish they hadn't sold all that IPnnow. But then it would just have tempted them into doing what SCO are doing right now (making it appear that their distro is the only legal one).

The pressing issue: (5, Funny)

curtisk (191737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385693)

will Novell make their SuSE distro contain the infamous PHASERS.WAV and the FIRE PHASERS as part of the login?

Re:The pressing issue: (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385712)

This is an awesome move for Novell. If you read the PR Release, IBM is taking a 50 million stake in Novell.

This sounds interesting for two reasons. I bet that Jack Messman and Chris Stone decided to play a little hardball with IBM. Basically, back us in this or we go ahead and tell SCO to sue them without our intervention using the UNIX rights that we retained.

The second cool thing is that all of a sudden there is a viable alternative to the Red Hat evil empire. I would bet that Novell/Suse arent going to piss off all the developers like Red Hat has done.

When you combine Novell's base with Suse's mind share and the momentum of Linux, WOW!!!!!

Re:The pressing issue: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385784)

When you combine Novell's base with Suse's mind share and the momentum of Linux, WOW!!!!!

What, Debian? Yeah I already use it dude. Thanks though :)

Bad news for SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385696)

If SCOs wants to sue all Linux vendors, they'll have a problem now - or will they accuse Novell of violating its own Unix-IP...?

Hmm (5, Insightful)

epiphani (254981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385698)

two possible results:

1. Novell stuffs this up, and I'm left with no real "Free" solution for buisnesses (I dont care about support, I just want a brand name and is recognizable and usable).

2. Novell doesnt stuff it up, and SUSE takes over Redhat's market share here in north america.

Either way, linux growth is going to stop dead for a good chunk of time while these issues with Redhat and Suse settle down.

After yesterdays' article regarding Redhat's changes, I started looking at SUSE more carefully. Now we've got such serious flux in the two most important linux distributions that it'll take six months to a year before I feel comfortable pitching either of these to buisnesses.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385735)

You got it bass ackwards. Red Hat is nothing but business now. All business, all the time.

Crazy talk. (1, Insightful)

3Suns (250606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385811)

linux growth is going to stop dead for a good chunk of time

Since when did we rely on SUSE and RHat for our linux development?? Last I checked, Linux and the associated environment were Open Source/Free Software. That's what's so special about it: companies can come and go and thrive and fail, but they can only help GNU/Linux, and never hurt it.

This is why I was cheering for AOL to buy RHat last year or whenever that rumor was going around. Not because it would be good for RHat, but because AOL would probably contribute alot of development coders, and being GPL work it would benefit the entire community.

Try debian (1)

GnuPooh (696143) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385870)

I was skeptical as well, but I'm very happy with Debain.

If you want the latest stuff run "unstable".

It's not really unstable, it just changes a lot, but I have never had it break on me.

Re:Hmm (2, Informative)

javatips (66293) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385877)

You seem to forget about Mandrake Linux which has free ISO availlable for download.

I believe that Mandrake has more market share in North America than SUSE (I don't have any link to back that up though).


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385700)


The Wedge Gets Deeper (3, Interesting)

Ian Wolf (171633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385703)

The divide between Novell and SCO gets wider. Once allies, this has got drive the wedge deeper between the two. While its been happening for a while now, this is will most assuredly accelerate their falling out and will force Novell to adopt a much more aggressive position against SCO's IP claims.

In short, "The plot thickens."

Re:The Wedge Gets Deeper (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385738)

It's a pity they didn't buy SCO as well. Then we could have had Suse LinuxWare :-)

Great timing with respect to Red Hat moves (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385706)

Novell/Suse is going to pick up the slack left by Red Hat getting out of the retail market. Very good indeed. Hope Suse is repackaged into the the red and white Novell style. I get the feeling that Red Hat will live to regret abandoning its base.

Novell acquires Suse (1)

mrmdls (684047) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385713)

I agree this is an absolutely brillant move on the part of Novell., They're going to be going after not only Microsoft, but Red Hat and the Enterprise Server Market. I think it's going to be rather interesting to see if SuSE Linux as a desktop OS survives.

KDE? (5, Interesting)

overshoot (39700) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385714)

I wonder where this is going to take the desktop.

Novell apparently is more interested in the Connector than the Ximian desktop, and more interested in SuSE's servers than its desktop offerings. However, SuSE has been a huge backer of the KDE project and Ximian is the home of Gnome. It'll certainly be interesting to see how the Novell management allocates their resources going forward, won't it?

Re:KDE? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385795)

I have recently listened to some talks inside the GNOME Irc channel where I heard some Ximian employees mentioning that Novell told them to work on KDE stuff now. From the internals of Novell it sounds like their employees are more interested to work with KDE rather than GNOME because that employee listed a long list of complaints that the Novell people raised which they found in GNOME to be totally out of use.

It will (1)

plj (673710) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385848)

But I think that it'll certainly be interesting what will happen next with RedHat.

Now, when SuSE is aquired, I don't think RH will be independent forever.

But who'd it be, I dare not say. According to the press release, it seems IBM's is going with Novell, at least for now.

Its not an acryonymn (0, Troll)

buddha42 (539539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385728)

...to Acquire Leading Enterprise Linux Technology Company SUSE LINUX
Novell/SUSE LINUX to become the world's
...agreement with Novell/SUSE LINUX to support...
...expertise of SUSE LINUX and...
entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX

Linux is not a fuggin acronymn!!! I really gets on my nerves when I see it in straight-caps.

What about KDE? (1)

dirtbird (707443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385732)

Since the KDE camp has always been strongest at SuSE, and with the now merger of Novell/SuSE/Ximian, are the KDE guys going to be left out in the cold?

OK, what does this mean? (1)

JayJay.br (206867) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385734)

RedHat discontinues RHL and goes for big bucks only.
Novell buys SuSE.

Do we have a new leader, and therefore a new mainstream image for linux?

Or do we have a more expensive distro?

Can Novell actually rise from the dead?

Stay tuned.

Suse on the Desktop, RedHat on the Server? (2, Interesting)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385736)

i don't know if this [theregister.co.uk] has been reported on /. yet. basically what its saying is that RH is dropping RH Linux in favour of Entperise and a "developer" version called Fedora [redhat.com].

funnily enough, i was thinking "oh, interesting. that leaves someone to pickup and seriously evolve the desktop platform if they decided not to concentrate on the server environment". then i refreshed slashdot and saw this SUSE news!

personally i think this is terrific. novell have excellent experience in the enterprise market from NetWare and their directory services. hopefully they can start to penetrate the desktop.

it sounds to me as if RH will find its place in the "appliance" market for such things as storage, web applications and security (system infrastructure) and SUSE/Novell will be well positioned for user-based infrastructure such as directory services, groupware and the desktop.

Re:Suse on the Desktop, RedHat on the Server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385771)

It was reported on /. yesterday.

Re:Suse on the Desktop, RedHat on the Server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385773)

i don't know if this has been reported on /. yet.

It has. A simple search, or even a quick glance in the "older stories" sidebox, would show you this story [slashdot.org] from yesterday.

Re:Suse on the Desktop, RedHat on the Server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385824)

The search on this site sucks, and some of us (like me, for example) have our preferences set for minimal graphics and it basically just shows only stories.

Thanks for your condescending attitude, though, I'm sure we all appreciate bullshit like that first thing in the morning.

A litte info. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385739)

I recently heard in the gnome irc channel that the Ximian employees are being forced to deal with KDE after Novell have bought them. They are now forced (at least that's what I heard from their writing) to do KDE stuff now.

SCO Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385744)

At the risk of being flamebait...

If Novell owns the patents and copyrights associated with AT&T Unix, and is selling Linux, then could SCO threaten to sue them or their customers?

Something to think about...

Re:SCO Question (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385774)

Actually that might work in Novell's favor. Their marketing department can now say: "Buy our copy of SuSE for $400 and you don't have to worry about SCO's IP fee!"

But then again, SCO may have some sort of UNIX IP exclusivity deal in which case Novell & SCO may have to hammer a deal behind the scenes.

This was Novell's only hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385746)

With the rise of Microshaft, their product became less and less relevant (am I right here, IT network folks?) - Linux is their only hope at a future, and good for them to buy #2 who clearly has a good product.

Looks like the war is over (5, Interesting)

BubbaTheBarbarian (316027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385751)

For over three years now the differing factions at Novell have been fighting over which route to take in relation to the what will be the backbone of it's products. The Netware factions has been directly responsible for Novell NOT developing it's own Linux, despite them having their own kernel and distro in house.

While this move is good for Novell, and good for the community, it has taken way to long in coming. This is partly due to the fact that if Novell HAD gone with Linux three years ago, they would have been the major supplier of the OS right off the bat for IBM, with IBM offering Linux based servers and caching boxes. When Novell dropped the ball, IBM pulled out.

Another point to make here is what this will do in relationship to SCO. You may well remember the piece a few weeks ago that talked about a statement that Novell made, quietly at the time, that the license that SCO had to sell licenses to UNIX came from them. I would expect a major blowup from SCO in the next few weeks, though do not be suppressed if Canopy decides to kill SCO outright and take the tech into Netware Linux. Canopy waffles more then Clinton at a beach party.

One other point...I have NEVER seen a machine serve as fast as a Linux box controlling files that are on Netware partitions. Say what you want about Netware being owned, but with the 2.4 kernel and multi-threading issues resolved (another reason why Novell was very hesitant to go with a 2.2 kernel based system) I would expect to see something really good from them in near future.


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385759)

Novell will be at SCALE 2x in about 3 weeks. That would be a great place to ask about their Linux related plans. See their website [socallinuxexpo.org]

No RedHat 10 and now SuSE aquired by Novell? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385763)

RedHat has caused mass confusion by dropping
RHL like a rock (even if most of us knew it
was comming). I think RedHat will lose their
brand recognition with the masses (boxed sets,
inexpensive downloads, here, try RH 8 or 9, etc.).
Maybe they'll make more on the enterprise version,
but at what cost.

Meanwhile, SuSE gets aquired by an entrenched
Novell (still a $1B US company). Novell has
customers, support, and name recognition. They
have a large customer base (still). If they go
after the space vacated by RH 9, what will that
do to RedHat?

Yes, I know, Fedora. However, Fedora is NOT
RedHat Linux. Even though it is under the hood,
the PHB's of the world won't see it that way
without massive re-education. Add in the
SCO factor....

These two announcements could indicate a massive
shift in the Linux community.

good match up.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385769)

Really.. anyone who has used novell, generally LOVES it.. NDS is awesome..

Imagine for a second a unified network login for linux to a NDS (x.500) tree and the apps are hosted locally on the machine, but checked via zenworks upon launch to ensure the binaries are up to date an so on so forth..

hopefully novell can extend the filesystem rights to include NDS permissions based on groups and containers.. we'll see.

Kind of hard to interpret (2, Informative)

HidingMyName (669183) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385770)

Novell offerred $210M for SuSE according to the article, that may be a bit low. I personally use SuSE and would like to see them continue to do well. Perhaps others can give details, my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I don't remember their stewardship of Unix System Laboratories to be especially good or bad. SuSE may be in a position to become a much larger player in the Unix arena, given Redhat's recent change in direction. I wonder how IBM will react (IBM is using SuSE internally, how well does Novell's management get along with IBM?).

Pretty well, it seems. (4, Informative)

zonix (592337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385828)

I wonder how IBM will react (IBM is using SuSE internally, how well does Novell's management get along with IBM?).

From the press release:

Novell today also announced that IBM intends to make a $50 million investment in Novell convertible preferred stock. In addition, Novell and IBM are negotiating extensions to the current commercial agreements between IBM and SUSE LINUX for the continued support of SUSE LINUX on IBM's eServer products and middleware products to provide for product and marketing support arrangements related to SUSE LINUX. Both of these agreements will be effective when the acquisition of SUSE LINUX by Novell is completed. z

Will the EU let it happen? (2, Interesting)

aredubya74 (266988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385780)

With the regionalization of Linux distros, SuSE has always been known as Europe's Linux (German company, strong EU language support inherent, etc.). I'm curious to see if the EU will try to flex its regulatory muscles rather than allow a US company to buy SuSE. Obviously, they can't cry anti-trust, but who knows what other regulations they could come up with.

Re:Will the EU let it happen? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385853)

Isn't Suse privately owned? If so, I doubt very much any EU body can do anything to prevent it.

Can anyone answer this for me: (3, Interesting)

zombiestomper (228123) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385781)

I work for the 3rd largest software-only developer in the world. I get plenty of opportunity to go to large, Fortune 500 companies and see their environments.

I can only remember seeing Novell products in less than a handful of places-- and it was in the process of being removed in those places.

SO-- Does anybody know where is Novell getting the capital to keep gobbling up companies? It seems like every time I turn around there's a story about Novell buying X...

If Novell's doing so well, maybe there's an investment opportunity hiding somewhere in there...

Re:Can anyone answer this for me: (5, Informative)

Ath (643782) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385842)

I can only remember seeing Novell products in less than a handful of places-- and it was in the process of being removed in those places.

That's because most people only think of Netware (the server OS) when they hear Novell's name. Take a look at eDirectory (if you use Yahoo's portal, you use eDirectory), DirXML (an amazing XML based directory synchronization tool), ZENworks (client management) and many other products.

I almost dread every time I see an article on Slashdot about Novell because inevitably people talk about Novell as a dying company.

Your question about Novell's capital is easy. They are a cash positive company and have remained so during most of their existence. Last I heard about a year ago, they had about $600 million cash in the bank.

I recommend people who aren't familiar with Novell's product line just go take a look at it. Decide for yourself. I think you will be impressed with what they offer.

Congrats... Linux is now Dead. (-1, Troll)

DeckerEgo (520694) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385783)

Yup. I'm mad. Damn mad. I don't think it's a good thing that SuSE goes to Novell (read: Netscape and AOL), and now that RedHat has decided to kill off consumer Linux we've now entered into the dark ages. If Linux survives 2004 I'll be surprised now. Yeah yeah I know Debian Slackware Gentoo blah blah blah - but really as far as a polished, retail-ready product goes for the consumer and small business, Linux just jumped off the proverbial cliff into a sea of proverbial thumbtacks and razorblades coated with the proverbial salt and lemon juice.

Re:Congrats... Linux is now Dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385851)

so go back to using Microsoft Windows, fair-weather friend.

IMO, this is all good news. Even Redhat is doing the right thing. Redhat hasn't killed off consumer Linux, that's what Fedora is for.

Re:Congrats... Linux is now Dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385879)

This is just proverbial "the sky is falling" opinion.

Actually, there is nothing proverbial about this post. Move along, nothing to see.

Wow (1)

cybergrue (696844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385807)

Wow, Novell is clawing its way back into relevance. Whats next? Will they find addition documentation that they did not sell SCO the rights to the Unix V codebase? ;-)

So Sad ... (-1, Troll)

foobsr (693224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385808)

... given the high market-penetration that SUSE has over here - I suspect that Novell will get rid of the specifics of SUSE. My personal projection is that Novell will manage to kill it.

Another brick taken. Germany slowly moving to the level of --? Portugal ?


Time to switch (0)

LinuxJavaman (521524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385809)

Novel buys SuSE it is time to switch Linux distribution. They will turn SuSE into a .not distribution I will not use a ditribution that pushes Ximian and mono. I will tart looking for a new distribution.

What about hardware vendors? (1)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385819)

Will the hardware vendors now start moving away from Redhat towards Suse? IBM is already sold out (they already own a stake in Suse and now this move). HP and Dell were worried about the SCO problem (HPs indemnification program etc.), maybe now they will see some added legitimacy in buying from Suse rather than from Redhat (questionable since ,assuming GPL is valid, a redhat kernel is as good as a Suse one).
Anyway it is a bad day for desktop linux and an extremely good one for redhat servers.
Also what is the IBM-novell synergy here? Its true that IBM is pushing web services and that Novell has some products in that area, and also Novell has some nice management suites (some of which clash with IBMs existing line) , but I cannot make a link between IBM and Novell.Waiting for a move from IBM

Another try at the desktop (2, Insightful)

jvschwarz (92288) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385823)

Novell has been trying to get a desktop OS for years, remember Novell DOS? I think they finally have a winning combination withe SUSE and Ximian.

I hope they succeed, NDS is a great back end platform, so they can offer a end-to-end solution for business on Linux. They just need to learn to market it!

Chess moves (1)

albin (52375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385830)

I doubt that this acquisition has coincidentally happened so close to the RedHat announcement. I have the feeling that the big pay distros are circling the wagons. I wonder if Novell/SuSE will shortly make an announcement similar to RedHat's?

What about the exchange killer (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385832)

As I recall, SUSE has been working on a drop in exchange replacement that will allow outlook clients use it (with some sort of connector?).

Novell has been playing with putting their Novell Directory system on Linux (as well as their other stuff - i.e. groupwise)

q1) Will this mean that SUSE's groupware client is dead?

q2) will this mean there will be a directory enabled printing method for linux clients?

wait a minute (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385840)

didn't Novell create this SCO problem to begin with. Can they really be trusted? Why in the world is SUSE selling out to Novell, when their stance on Linux has been wishy-washy at best. I like having different distributions of linux, so I hope SUSE reconsiders.

Linux Consolidation Begins (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385845)

If linux were a typical closed source product, it would be expected that consolidaton in the linux sector would have begun long time ago. Given the fact that it isn't, I wasn't sure whether any linux company would bother purchasing another since the product that they "sell" is not protected and can be easily copied. However, consolidation has begun for enterprise linux and this is a really good thing. For linux to flourish, it needs the backing of a couple of strong corporate players. Obviously IBM, Sun and Redhat qualify but only Redhat has a direct interest in linux for the sake of linux. I hope that novell can really get its act together and put together a compelling package, they certainly have the right pieces.

WOW. This is B I G News. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7385850)

SuSE is my fav.

I wonder for how much longer. . .




Another Novell screw-up coming? (4, Interesting)

sphealey (2855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385857)

I have always liked Novell technology, despite its quirks and flaws. And back in the day no technology supplier gave its customers better support than Novell. In fact, my first experience with Novell tech support was at 2 AM on Easter Sunday - with our support contract not yet approved by either company's legal dept, they nonetheless had a developer on the line by 4 AM who worked with us for 8 hours to get the problem fixed. So this could be a good thing.

Vs. Microsoft this is a tricky move, because I think even the Bush Justice Dept would look very hard at Microsoft entering the Linux market.

But historically, Novell has thrown away every technology and market advantage they have ever held, and handed their business on a silver platter to Microsoft (and maybe Sun). So does this mean Novell will now screw up SuSE, whose distribution I like a lot?


Is Novell the new CA (3, Insightful)

salah67 (658336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385860)

They buy promising company and bug them down in politics. The leader of the bought company run away with their new cash so no new development worth noticing happens. What's left is a company that sells and resells repackaged old product at an ever increasing price. I hope SuSE will be strong enough to resist the Corp politics.

WEll now its time. (2, Interesting)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385871)

Now what company was it yesterday you all called a sellout? I forget. I thought it was Redhat. Now who are you guys going to turn to when Novell turns SuSe into a half closed half open business hybred? They will have lots of locked down protocols going in this new product i'll betcha.

It might be time for all of you to jump back on RH's bandwagon after you realize they're the only ones you cant buy out.

forgive my pessimism, I should give Novell a shot but they appear to be a company evolving to stay alive in the free software movement, but is thier goal a GPL world while making money, or trying to make money in a GPL world? Personally i think redhat is the former, Novell the latter.

branding (2, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385884)

This is a great match, especially if Novell is looking to take on Redhat in the enterprise market why continuing Suse's traditional of having a great desktop distro. If Novell really spends a lot of $$ on this project and brands a distro as Novel Linux or Suse Linux by Novel, it be a lot easier to convince "the suits" to move to Linux when you have a company like Novell producing its own distro. As mentioned in other comments it will be interesting to see how the Suse/Ximian combination plays out since it is essentially KDE/Gnome. .

IBM announced it will invest 50 Million in Novell (2, Informative)

mrmdls (684047) | more than 10 years ago | (#7385886)

CBSMarketwatch is reporting that IBM has announced that it will invest 50 Million in Novell, This is getting more interesting by the minute!!!
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