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When a PDA is better than a GBA for Gaming

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the not-very-often dept.

Portables (Games) 438

An anonymous reader writes "Conventional wisdom says that it's silly to buy a $300+ PDA to play games when a $100 Game Boy Advance SP is going to be better at it. At the same time, no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation 2. FiringSquad just posted an ASUS PDA review that focuses on some of the games that only a PDA has the horsepower for, and helps readers figure out how to pick out the right PDA."

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First Rams! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387187)


My message to the /. community: Fuck you all! I have all of you.

Love Always,
News For Turds

who put the cookie in the cookie jar? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387194)

the goatse guy did!

and i ain't touching it!

Only buy what you need (3, Insightful)

Svet-Am (413146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387198)

If all you want is portable games, buy a portable game device (GBA, NeoGeoPocket, etc)

If you want other functionality, buy a PDA.


Why is this an issue?

Re:Only buy what you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387283)

* because sometimes games and functionality overlap / get confused
* because people want one device to do everything
* because people want choice and not be put into a box

Re:Only buy what you need (2, Insightful)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387348)

You can get Mame on a PocketPC. Thats a huge library of games there.

Touchscreens are a great substitute for mouse control.

I can play Gameboy or NeoGeo or NES or any 8 bit consoles in emulation mode. I even played Apple ][e games in nuclear green monochrome on my PocketPC.

With removeable memory cards I can carry around a large number of games in the equivlent size of one carterage of a portable game device.

Re:Only buy what you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387451)

You can get Mame on a PocketPC. Thats a huge library of games there.

If you want to use illegal games, you can do that with a GBA too.

Re:Only buy what you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387356)

Wow, you didn't even need to RTFA to answer your question. You didn't even get FP. Read the summary, since the article would be waaaaaay too much of a stretch to Mr. Quick Click here.

Buy Nothing! (0, Redundant)

essreenim (647659) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387363)

I'm tired of hearing about all these new fangled
things that people are stupid enough to inveest in and never use. With all that life sucks up (job, other needs) there is little room for all this, those that buy these things are suckers, there are e-mail cafes everyehere.

If you really want a lan game you can do it without that much inconvenience, same goes for e-mail etc.

Too many people are willing to have new gadgets hanging from there ears, inside there clothes, inside their watch, up their ass!!!

We are not borgs.

There is only one gadget I want.

Every day, I dream of the spiritual and intellectual satisfaction this gadget would give me.

What is it?

A high powered radiation dampener / jamming device save my body from being dowsed in EM radiation and maybe help others too, and so I won't have to listen to insecure muppets groaning into their cellphones on the bus every day I come home from work.

I have strong feelings on this subject as you may know.

I am also disappointed in Nokia especially right now

Re:Buy Nothing! (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387401)

And you expect this high-powered jamming device to produce less EM "radiation" than cellphones? Good luck with that.

If you don't want to listen to people talking on the bus, don't ride the bus. If you use public transportation, you'll have to learn to live with the public.

Re:Buy Nothing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387544)

I'm disappointed in Nokia too, but speak for yourself. I, for one, think the borg look really really cool, and I never leave home unless I have my GBA SP (not to mention that I never carry less than four games for it), my Visor Prism, my cellphone, my TI86, TI89, often times my HP48 too, pocket PC, digital camera, iPod, garage door opener, and remote starter for the car with me. Sometimes I also take my universal remote with my just for the hell of it.

If they make a device that does EVERYTHING that ALL of these devices do, does it just as well if not better, and does it cheaper, then you know what? I'll buy one and carry that around with all the other shit. You can have my electronics when you pull them from my cold dead body. And even then, if you do, I'll haunt you.

Or buy one! (3, Informative)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387372)

The Tapwave Zodiac [] is no longer vapor. It's shipping now.
Games are problematic, most Palm games should run, others are being worked on. It's pretty open for development, so many emulators are possible.

Specs are:
Memory: Zodiac1 = 32MB*
Zodiac2 = 128MB*
* 12MB reserved for system use.
Processor: Motorola(R) i.MX1(TM) ARM9 processor (200 MHz)
Accelerator: ATI(R) Imageon(TM) W4200 graphics accelerator (with 8MB dedicated SDRAM).
Display: 3.8 inch transflective display
480 x 320 (half VGA), 16-bit color backlit display (65,536 colors) Portrait and landscape display capabilities Digitizer for enhanced interactive game play, navigation and text input.
Sound: Yamaha(R) audio component and stereo speakers
Standard 3.5mm stereo headphone plug
Earbud-style headphones included
Support for select third-party portable speakers
Vibration: Supports silent notification and interactive game play.
Controls: Variable pressure analog controller (joystick), 2 triggers, 4 programmable action buttons, 1 special function button,
1 home button, 1 power button, and 1 Bluetooth button.
Expandability: Dual expansion slots for MultiMediaCards, Secure Digital (SD) cards
and SDIO cards, including digital cameras and more.*
Zodiac Connector for additional peripherals.
* Slot #1: supports MultiMediaCards, Secure Digital Cards (SD).
Slot #2: supports MultiMediaCards, Secure Digital Cards (SD), and
SDIO cards.
Wireless Connectivity: Built-in Bluetooth radio with dedicated activation button.
Ideal for multiplayer wireless gaming, sharing information and connectivity to other compatible Bluetooth enabled devices.
PC Desktop Connectivity: USB Cable, USB Cradle (sold separately)
Cover: Protective Flip Cover
Wrist Strap: Convenient strap
Battery: High-capacity Rechargeable Lithium Batteries - 1540 mAh
Power Supply: AC Adapter / Battery Charger (120 volt AC, 60 Hz) International connectivity kit (sold separately)
Size/Weight: 5.6" (143mm) x 3.1" (79mm) x .55" (14mm) / 6.3 ounces
Color: Zodiac1 - Slate Gray, Zodiac2 - Charcoal Gray
Software Specifications
Operating System: Tapwave enhanced Palm OS 5.2T
Writing Software: Graffiti 2
Included Software:
Games: Stuntcar Extreme, AcidSolitaire
Music: Tapwave MP3 player
Photos: Tapwave JPEG Photo Viewer
Video Playback: Kinoma Player 2
Video Creation: Kinoma Producer (Quickly and easily converts AVI, QuickTime, MPEG1, MPEG4 files for use on the Zodiac entertainment console).*
*QuickTime software required to use Kinoma Producer on PC
eBook reader: PalmReader
Organizer: Address Book, Date Book, To Do List, Memo Pad
Other Stuff:
Alarm Clock (Tapwave Alarm Clock with integrated stopwatch & MP3 music feature),
Wireless-based chat & shared whiteboard (PhatPad by Trumpetsoft)
Graphing Calculator (powerOne by Infinity SoftWorks)
Microsoft(R) Word(R)-compatible Word Processor (WordSmith by Blue Nomad)
Connectivity: Web Browser and SMS client for use with compatible Bluetooth enabled phones (bonus software on CD).

Re:Only buy what you need (1)

xTown (94562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387424)

That's exactly why I bought a GBA instead of a PocketPC. I was extremely honest with myself, and I knew that the only thing I would buy a PocketPC for was playing games--so I spent the $300 on a GBA and a half-dozen games rather than on a PocketPC and nothing else.

Of course, about a month later I had about five good ideas for PDA applications, but that's another story entirely.

Re:Only buy what you need (3, Interesting)

bensagenius (649613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387548)

Because when I'm waiting for a meeting to start, I'd feel like a real asshole whipping out a Gameboy. At least maybe SOMEONE in the room will think I'm using my Palm for legitimate reasons!

Slashdotted - read here (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387199)

Requiem for a Gummi, inspired by The Gummi Bears, written by Celer

Sunni watched the room spin, idly playing with the empty needle still stuck in her arm, until her stomach emptied itself all over the ceiling. Or was that the floor? It was impossible to tell in her current state.

"Come out of there you little bitch!"

Of COURSE it was Gruffi. It was always Gruffi. It was as if he could sense when she was hitting bottom, and liked to sweep in just to remind her that there is always somewhere lower she could go. She sighed and closed her eyes.

"Come out before I bash this door down!" She wouldn't have moved even if she had the energy. Besides, she never bothered to lock her door anymore, it's not like anyone cared about her. Not even that asshole Gusto.

Eventually he realized he could just push the damn thing open instead of shouting. The scowling gummi stood there a moment, silhouetted in the doorway, casting an imposing figure with the sun at his back. It was wasted, as all she could see through her slitted eyelids was two blurry blobs. Occasionally four.

"I knew it. You were snooping around for my stash!" he shouted, looking around the room in disgust. "Look at yourself. You've dipped into your own supply, and look what it got you. That's the first rule, bitch... and the last."

Sunni turned her head to glare at him, and away from the increasingly vile stench emanating from her vomit-soaked pillow. I don't need any lectures from you, she thought, but could only vocalize a slight moan.

Gruffi removed a small vial from his pocket and waved it in her face. "You want some of this? You need some go-juice?" he mocked, chuckling as she suddenly had the energy to sit up and make a wild grab. The purple liquid inside sloshed merrily, taunting her. She didn't want that juice. She NEEDED it. She needed it with every fiber of her being. The dregs she just shot into her veins were useless, only good for staining her yellow fur a telltale purple.

The gummi smiled wickedly. "All you had to do was ask Gruffi for a little hit. Gruffi likes to help those in need." A glint crept into his eye. "But Gruffi has a price, a price you had better be willing to pay." As he spoke, he slipped out of his tunic, making his price throbbingly obvious. He leered at her from the edge of the bed.

Sunni, already on all fours, turned away from Gruffi. "As long as I don't have to see your face," she whispered, but he was already on her. She exited her body for a bit, blocking out what was happening to her physical self and focusing on that sweet sweet rush that would surely be coming soon. Right after Gruffi did, in fact. It was as if her spirit was hovering above the scene, and it was almost comical from that angle. Gruffi's face all contorted, hands on her hips, thrusting away like a little monkey. She watched him slap her ass again and again, saw her yellow fur-covered cheeks turn bright red, but she couldn't feel anything.

It wasn't until he grabbed the back of her head and thrust it into her soggy pillow that she snapped back into reality. She didn't know if it was the lukewarm feeling of liquid against her face, the acrid smell, or the rancid taste that set her off, but she vomited again. She watched it slowly drip down the headboard, fascinated. "You dirty bitch! You dirty little whore!" Gruffi spat, pushing her away in disgust. "At least we shot our loads at the same time. HAH!" He adjusted his green hat.

Sunni turned around, dripping from her mouth and crotch, and grabbed the vial from her tormentor's pocket. Her eyes widened when she realized it was empty. "You aren't worth shit," he laughed. "I needed that just to push me over the edge. I should have given it to you though, a little bouncey-bounce would do wonders with that nice full figure of yours." She raised her fist to slug him but he was already gone.

What? Had she fainted? Blacked out? She couldn't remember. The only thing she could remember was the last time she scored, and where she would need to go if she wanted to survive the night.

"Sunni! Welcome!" Duke Igthorn flashed a Cheshire grin, as he closed the door behind her. "There be six of you cutting up an entire piece... and it be REAL good." Sunni swallowed nervously as he withdrew a vial from his cloak. "Showtime."

Why do English have disgusting teeth" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387202)

Filthy blackish yellow rotting shit stained teeth with breath that smells like dog vomit. Even wealthy parasites like the royal family have decaying black teeth. Why is that?

Re:Why do English have disgusting teeth" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387235)

Actually they don't oral hygene in the UK is up 500% over 10 years ago.

Not silly? (4, Insightful)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387203)

"At the same time, no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation 2"

Are you kidding? I see that all the time! On slashdot, even.
Besides, who only spends a grand on a gaming machine?

Re:Not silly? (4, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387273)

"At the same time, no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation 2"

Are you kidding? I see that all the time! On slashdot, even.
Besides, who only spends a grand on a gaming machine?

Hell, I say it all the time!

Not only that, but the games you buy for PCs are barely working. At least with a console there's a QA systems that forces the developpers and distributors to only release gamnes that actually work/can be finished/won't destroy your machine.

Re:Not silly? [OT] (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387290)

The only thing I find funny is that the same people who think nothing of spending $3000 rather than $1000 on their computer because it's a "gaming rig", even though a console "gaming rig" would cost maybe $150...

are the same people who bitch endlessly about the fact that you can't get a Macintosh for $1000, and to get a passable mac you have to pay $2000 or so.

Now, why is it that the amount of money you spend on your gaming machine is immaterial, but if you have to spend more than $1200 or so on the machine you actually do work and stuff on, well, that's just unacceptable? Is the only reason that they bitch about the Mac price is that it doesn't play games?

(Yes, I realize most people just don't like macs. I'm specifically complaining here about the "who'd spend that much" crowd,not everyone who uses wiows..)

Re:Not silly? [OT] (-1)

diersing (679767) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387520)

I know some people like the ones you describe. I think some (based on the one I know that choose a $3K Dell XPS over a G5)... he knew what he was getting. He's been working in Windows and knows the difference between good componets and poor ones. Of course, he has several other, and cheaper, wintel boxes lying about so he was able to gain that experience through trial and error. The bitter pill about the Mac is, there isn't a cheap entry level option. There isn't a generic option to cut their teeth on, so the only option is the top shelf. I'm a wintel guy as well and before I got my new latop, I was on the fence about an iMac. Why Mac? I am curious. I know the hardware is good and the OS is solid. Ultimatly for me, it was the TCO of a Mac (high software prices) that lead me to an HP zt3010. To fix my apple itch I ended up getting a 40GB iPod.

I have a lot of software that I wouldn't be able to use on a new Mac, and being new and different I was worried how much I'd use it after the honeymoon was over.

Re:Not silly? (1)

Smack (977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387323)

I think it's silly to spend $200 on a vidcard when you can buy a whole gaming system for the same price.

But if you like PC games, what choice do you have?

Re:Not silly? (1)

ChozCunningham (698051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387447)

"shipments of PlayStation 2 consoles in its fiscal year 2002, ending March 2003, totaled 22.5 million units. [] "

That many people disagreed already, and they never even RTFA!

Re:Not silly? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387538)

What the hell does your reply have to do with the parent's comment?

Re:Not silly? (1)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387324)

I think $1000 is about the perfect price for a gaming machine. After that, you start to lose in the price/performance ratio.

I just built my niece a new machine for $950 (sans OS). Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton), 512MB DDR 3200, ATI 9600, Samsung 19" CRT, Logitech 5.1 Speakers, etc. Newegg is your friend. =P

My DooM 3 Machine (2, Funny)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387335)

Power Mac G5 Dual 2GHz
Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English (I'll get a multi-button mouse if I can find one good for gaming, and a gamepad)
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Accessory kit
Mac OS X - U.S. English
APP for Power Mac (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit
Klipsch ProMedia GMX 5.1 Speakers & Monster 2-meter Cable .Mac Promotional Bundle
Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) + Apple DVI to ADC Adapter
DVD Studio Pro 2
Final Cut Pro 4.0
Shake 3 Mac OS X
AppleWorks 6.2.7
Command and Conquer Generals
Masters Of Orion III
Myth III - The Wolf Age
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Star Trek Elite Force 2
Unreal Tournament 2003
WarCraft III
WarCraft III: Frozen Throne
Adobe Creative Suite - Premium
Doom 3 (not included in price)
Snak (not included in price)
Anything I'm missing?

Re:My DooM 3 Machine (1)

MikeXpop (614167) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387395)

Yes. Half Life 2.

Unfortunately, that's going to bump up your price a couple hundred dollars.

Re:My DooM 3 Machine (2, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387399)

The memory costs $5000 because it's better than other memory. Really.

Re:My DooM 3 Machine (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387442)

A flying toasters screensaver?

Re:My DooM 3 Machine (1)

BetterThanCaesar (625636) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387485)

The look on your face when lightning strikes and your G5 explodes in your face:


Re:My DooM 3 Machine (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387587)

Anything I'm missing?

Will Doom3 support 1920x1200 panels natively?

Last time I tried Q3A it only supported 'standard' 4x3 resolutions up to 1600x1200, and a few piddling sub-1280 wide res's.

OTOH nothing would make me happier than seeing widescreen supported properly. The original UT looked pretty good in 1920x1200, and wasn't _THAT_ slow on my Geforce GTS..

Re:My DooM 3 Machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387598)

Doom 3 (for OS X) - $229 ... it's better than the PC version, seriously. It has uhh... a big X on the box.

Limitations... (5, Funny)

anaphora (680342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387205)

But can a PS2 play Solitare? Didn't think so.

Everything has limitations.

PDA "Horsepower" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387210)

I got some serious horsepower myself last night with the sexy little mare in farmer Joe's barn.

Uh... (0, Flamebait)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387220)

Actually, lots of people think it's stupid to spend $1000 plus $500 a year in upgrades, and put up with all the hassle of dealing with Windoze, to play games on a PC. That's why I have a PS2 and a Mac.

Re: HAHAHAahahaHAH!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387250)

OOOOK, you got a Mac. Same shit different name. (Oh sorry i forgot, it's not the same shit... It's MORE EXPENSIVE SHIT!) Bah

Re:Uh... (1)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387332)

$500 in upgrades? For what? If for hardware, you don't think you will ever have to buy a new graphics card for your Mac?

Re:Uh... (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387405)

I never have for any previous Mac.

PS2 for games, Mac for everything else.

$500 in upgrades for faster CPUs, graphics cards, bigger hard drives, moving up from CD to DVD, and so on. My brothers are PC gamers, and they're always having to upgrade the machine (or build a mostly new one) to play the latest games.

Re:Uh... (0)

anaphora (680342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387477)

500 a year? I spend less than 100 keeping my system fairly up-to-date. I'm running an AMD2400 with plenty of ram and a GeForce FX video card. Seems to me you're upgrading too soon, if you wait a few months everything will drop in price. Remember, if your computer today is better than your friends' were a year ago, then you're in good shape.

Re:Uh... (1)

sahonen (680948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387638)

The bleeding edge of a couple years ago is enough to play most of the latest games today, unless you're playing at 1280x1024 or something. Half-Life 2 is apparently supposed to be playable on a TNT2, which makes me happy because I don't have enough money to upgrade mine. =D

Anyway, point being, you don't need to spend that much money. $500/year sounds about right to keep up with the bleeding edge, but you don't need that unless you're a fanatic.

Karma whoring "duh" response: (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387222)

I can sit in the back of a crowded presentation at work, or in the back of my math class, with a PDA, doing various things, but if I'm seen sitting there using a GBA, that's somehow "disrespectful". Even though either way I'm clearly not paying attention.

This is why TI Calculator games are the most wonderful thing in the world. No one is going to see anything odd about me pressing buttons on a calculator in a large lecture hall.

Re:Karma whoring "duh" response: (4, Funny)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387358)

This is why TI Calculator games are the most wonderful thing in the world. No one is going to see anything odd about me pressing buttons on a calculator in a large lecture hall.

Unless it's a literature class.

Re:Karma whoring "duh" response: (2, Interesting)

kisrael (134664) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387384)

Even then, it depends on the game and how slick you are.

Most people don't type in math equations watching the screen constantly, pressing buttons in semi-regular bursts for 10 minutes like they do when they're playing tetris. It's generally pretty obvious when someone isn't paying attention because of a game; most people are just to polite to remark on it.

Re:Karma whoring "duh" response: (1)

Wog (58146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387394)

Also useful for classes where you already know what's going on, but are required to attend. My PDA is my friend!

Re:Karma whoring "duh" response: (0)

InOverMyFeet (576320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387657)

You're probably one of those people who bitch about how you can't find a job and rant on about how bad the economy is doing and that its all the "current administration's" fault. When it's really your fault for not doing what you can to better yourself to be a cut above of the average doesn't-pay-attention-in-class-give-me-something-f or-nothing student.

Not Frist Pist, but close (-1, Troll)

Muda69 (718162) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387224)

But what if I don't need a PDA (paper and pencil work just fine, thank you) but need a hand-held gaming platform?

Three cheers for Trollcore!

Isn't the PDA dead? (2, Insightful)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387226)

If it doesn't have a cell phone built in, it'll be in a scrap heap soon.

Re:Isn't the PDA dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387354)

Well, since we're talking about folks wanting a handheld gaming device...

AND, wanting a PDA...

AND you say a PDA is pointless without a cell phone...

I think there are at least a couple of N-Gage's out there for ya'. You may have to look awhile given that BIG rush they had, but you may find one or two.

Since when (2, Funny)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387228)

is wisdom conventional?

Right... (1)

zyridium (676524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387239)

Does anyone other than noisy, annoying, 10 year old kids really care about the quality of the games on a PDA/GB?

I mean seriously, has anyone here actually played a game for any reason other than being so bored that playing pong would be a relief?

Re:Right... (0)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387265)

Do you mean pda games or games period?

Re:Right... (1)

zyridium (676524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387522)

Sorry for the long delay, was playing some q3 rocket arena..

I mean playing games on little mobile devices... I have always thought of them as ways to save sanity when in really boring situations...

Re:Right... (1)

UrgleHoth (50415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387615)

All you needed to clarify was your first sentence ;)

Who says ... (0)

BallPeenHammer (720987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387242)

you have to pick only one?

Life is short. Get the PDA, the PC, the PS2. Heck, get anything that starts with P.

'Zat so? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387244)

Conventional wisdom says that it's silly to buy a $300+ PDA to play games when a $100 Game Boy Advance SP is going to be better at it. At the same time, no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation 2.

My impression is that every time person X buys anything person Y doesn't have (console, PC, graphics card, game) person Y insists that it's silly...

Is that old hag the QUEEN MUM still alive? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387245)

I always hated that old bitch

Well...PDA/GBA have games in the same genre,,, (2, Insightful)

FatSean (18753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387247)

...well, generally. While PC and Console games do overlap, there is enough of a difference in the software library to choose one over the other (or just choose both!). PDAs are clunky. I'd never buy a piece of portable electronics that cell phones live a harsh life. A $100 gameboy getting dropped onto concrete is sad but acceptable...a $300 PDA is not.


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387249)

To play oldschool games? (2, Interesting)

icejai (214906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387266)

PDA's are getting pretty powerful these days, but trying to compete with the likes of Nintendo and Sony is just insane.

If I could, I'd make some kind of palm gaming application so that people could download ROMs of their favourite old-school games, kinda analogous to iTunes and their pay-per-download system.

99 cents for all-you-can-play-forever ROMs?

That'd be super sweet.

Re:To play oldschool games? (1)

EvilSporkMan (648878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387346)

Why pay 99 cents when you could get all-you-can-play-forever ROMs for free?

Re:To play oldschool games? (1)

anonymous loser (58627) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387361)

If you had bothered to RTFA you would know that the Asus can emulate SNES at full speed. Meaning it is already possible to do just what you describe.

It also has a really kick-ass Real-Time Strategy game available that totally blows away anything you could get for a GBA.

Re:To play oldschool games? (1)

icejai (214906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387450)

I know there are full-speed emulators out there. What I was talking about was the 'actual system'; not the actual PDA application. ie. distributing SNES roms is illegal. They're the creative works of Nintendo. Much like the sharing of certain mp3's.
But, what if there were to legally sell and distribute SNES roms for PDA's, like how iTunes legally sells and distributes downloadable music.

Get what I'm saying now?

Both PDA and GBA are silly. (1, Informative)

more (452266) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387268)

Both PDA and GBA are silly. Modern people carry their phones around anyway - from young children to elderly. Play with the phone, it is likely to have much more computing resources than the GBA, and about the same as that bulky PDA. Several good games are available for phones already; check out for details. N-cage is only one option, most Nokia games and a few other are really incredible platforms for running Java and native solutions. There is a lot of bad games, but that does not mean that all the mobile games are bad.

Re:Both PDA and GBA are silly. (1)

icejai (214906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387315)

What? A cellphone is likely to have much more computing resources than the GBA? *and* a PDA?

When was the last time you *used* a PDA? The Palm III from half a decade ago?? Today's PDAs have just about as much computing power as my 450MHz desktop!

Also, your post tells me that you're not that familiar with the "gamer" mindset. Sure, someone could make a portable gaming system that cuts my toenails and combs my hair... and you could use your argument to buy *that* system... but "multi-function" isn't the point here. Gamers want "gaming systems". Not just gagdets that happen to have enough processor power to play amputated, grainy, and filtered versions of console/PC games.

Re:Both PDA and GBA are silly. (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387431)

Right. What sets a game system apart from other game systems is, generally, the console-specific titles.

With these new phone/game combos, the options seems to be ports of old console games (how many damn ports of Tomb Raider, the new Spy Hunter, and Tony Hawk are we going to see??) and games that are obviously "made by hobbyists"...these can be fun sometimes (mmm, Rally 1000 for Palm...) but generally are more time killers than really engrossing games. No company is mustering up enough clout to make the games that will sell their cells. (You'd think there'd be a whole world of online gaming available, but I think the technical issues get in the way of real mind-blowing games in that genre)

Overall, I'm not a big fan of combo hardware, at least not yet. I just have the smallest possible cell, palm, camera, and thinnest wallet I can, and load up my pockets. When one of those elements breaks or is just obsolete, it gets replaced without rocking my whole consumer electronics world.

On the other hand, I do wish I could do quick web access, instant message, and email on my palm...

Re:Both PDA and GBA are silly. (1)

more (452266) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387436)

When was the last time you used a good phone? Take a look at the Symbian series 60 phones, run a few benchmarks and come back. These are roughly 20 x faster than a GBA and about 40 % of the fastest PDAs, with 20 times the battery life. BTW, the fastest PDA's have 450 MHz, but are only around 100 MHz (Pentium equivalent) in computing power as the memory subsystem is so slow (minimal caches, narrow bandwidth) -- and even much less for floating point intensive computation.

If you had read my comment, you should have notice that I did not claim that a modern phone has more resources than a PDA, but and about the same computational resources.

Read the comment and check your facts before posting!

I don't like your personal attack. I am the CEO of a game house that has created several globally marketed games, and I know what I am talking about. The phones will be the platform for mobile gaming, especially the multi-player games. N-gage is just showing the direction, but the real, normal, traditional phones will be the gaming platform of the future, no matter if you like it or not. Ten years and gaming without communication can only be found in museums.

Re:Both PDA and GBA are silly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387478)

I don't want a cell phone big enough to play games on, nor do I want to carry the batteries it takes to run a game CPU, except when I want to play games.

Re:Both PDA and GBA are silly. (3, Informative)

more (452266) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387604)

The phones have 40% of the CPU of PDAs and 20x the CPU of GBA. It is sufficient to run most games, especially if compared to the GBA. The power consumption of modern phones for running the games is very, very low. Basically, the phones have a slightly more battery-saving architecture than the PDAs, but the difference in CPU performance is very small.

A Nokia series 40 phone that runs two weeks without reloading runs for 4 days with the CPU fully loaded, and a Symbian series 60 phone runs for 2-3 days with the CPU fully loaded. The batteris are not the problem, I have to admit that the form may be a problem for you. It is not a problem for me or my children.

nah... (1)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387276)

Forget it. If I want to play Command and Conquer, I'll do it on a full blown laptop.

Super Yiff! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387281)

Pikachu moaned as he felt his prick being handled by Vixy's small paw. "Ohh... Vixy..."

"So you like that? Well -- tell me how this feels," Vixy kept stroking Pikachu's small shaft, watching him writhe under her soft touch. She bent down and wrapped her small lips around his prick while continuing to stroke his member.

Pikachu stretched his arms out and tried to grip the ground, his small claws making scratching sounds. He opened one eye and watched as she licked the head of his cock while her small paw quickly slide up and down bringing him a unique double pleasure. He began to thrust his hips inwards towards the pleasure, making his body shiver with delight.

Vixy enjoyed the feeling of his hot member pulsing in his mouth as she delicately traced her tongue around slower and slower. Sparks started to jump from her cheeks to Pikachu's body, signaling energy was building quick in his body. She stopped her treatment and moved her body up towards his face, making sure her soft fur rubbed against his dick.

Pikachu grabbed placed one paw behind her head and pulled Vixy's head close for a kiss. He parted his lips and felt as they met her's. He darted his tongue out and felt as it slipped again and again over Vixy's. The two electric pokemon explored each other's mouth, small sparks jumping between the two. His other paw slid down her back, and rested on her small butt. He gripped her ass and sent a little sharp jolt of electricity through his hand.

"Ah!" Vixy yelped as she broke the kiss. She gave Pikachu a sly look, "little frisky are we?" She gave the side of his face a small lick before rolling off of him. "Come and get me mouse boy," she said playfully. She hopped away -- looking back at Pikachu, who sat up, with a confused look on his face. She bent over and lifted her tail up, "don't you want some of this?"

Pikachu got the message soon enough, he hopped up onto his feet and ran after her.

Vixy giggled as she got back up and ran off -- deliberately slower than she could run. She looked back long enough to see Pikachu pounce at her. She felt her body slammed into the ground as Pikachu quickly mounted her, positioning his prick between her legs. She felt a small nibble on her ear -- sending a slight chill of tingling pleasure down her spine. At the same time Pikachu thrusted his dick into her body -- filling her small box up. "Oh! Pikachu!" She cried out at the immediacy of his intrusion.

Pikachu, lightly nibbling on Vixy's ear felt as his dick was lightly squeezed between her wet inner walls. He thrusted his hips into her backside, plunging his member deeper and deeper into her cunt. His hands rested on Vixy's sides, pulling her into his movements -- feeling her soft fur between his paws. He could feel her soft murrs of pleasure as her body came closer to her climax. He slammed into her backside two more times before pulling his hardness out and flipping her over.

"Wha- Pikachu what are you doi- Ohhhhhh," she moaned as a small tongue was slipping in and around her lips in a vigorous fashion. New waves of pleasure kept Vixy slightly moaning and arching her back. Vixy felt as Pikachu's tongue found her clit and began to flick and massage against it. "P-Pikachu..." she said between struggled gasps. She pulled his face deeper into her pussy, now grinding her hips against his face. With a large moan Vixy felt as a stream of electric pleasures surged through her body. Her legs squeezed Pikachu's face as her body shivered violently.

Pikachu tasted Vixy's juices as her body exploded with her orgasm. He lapped up every drop, making sure to rub against her clit just enough to bring more lustful sounds. When she let up enough for him to move he lifted his head away from her heat and moved back up to her face. "Enjoy yourself now?"

Panting heavily she managed a weak grin, "no more than you'll enjoy this," she said as she gripped his aching cock with a firm grasp. "Now how about you lay back this time," she said pushing against his chest.

Pikachu smiled back and laid on his back watching as she quickly bowed her head. With one smooth move Vixy opened her mouth and took his entire dick to the hilt into it. Her tongue began to swirl it around her mouth delicately.

She lifted her head, "come one sparky... cum for me," she said stroking his cock before going back down onto it. She allowed it to dive deep into her mouth, almost touching the back of her throat. Vixy slipped her lips up over his member and back down it again, creating a slow sucking and bobbing motion.

A small trembling started down in Pikachu's furry sack. He groaned as the feeling was nursed by Vixy's small paw, rubbing lightly against his testicles. He felt her paw move down to his small tailhole. With a yelp of pain he felt as two of her fingers slid into his ass. The pain was overwhelmed by pleasure however as she pushed against his prostate -- causing his own orgasm to come rushing fast and hard. He blew his load into Vixy's mouth.

Vixy gagged as Pikachu's hot cum flowed down her throat. She milked his dick dry, using her paw to squeeze the last of his cum out. With the taste of cum in her mouth she crawled up and licked Pikachu's lips. She locked him into another kiss, feeling his heart beat fast and hard.

Pikachu could taste his cum in Vixy's mouth, feeling his ego grow -- as if he finally found his mate. As their kiss intensified he felt as her paws kept massaging his prick -- urging his erection to return. Slowly it did, as his prick succumb to her soft paws.

She broke the kiss and nibbled on his ear, whispering gently, "come on -- I've been a bad pokemon. Somebody should show me how a bad girl acts." She walked forward again and bent over, exposing herself to Pikachu again.

Pikachu jumped up and stood behind Vixy's body again. Slowly he pushed into her cunt. Giving a few thrusts Pikachu pulled himself back out.

"Oh... don't stop," Vixy moaned.

"Don't worry -- I'm going to show how I treat bad girls," Pikachu grabbed hold of his now moist member and placed it at the opening to Vixy's tailhole. He heard a yelp of surprise as his dick began to plunge into her opening. Pushing slowly but forcefully he spread her tight walls open. He felt as each twitch and shiver would cause her ass to clench around his member all the more harder.

"P-Pikachu... just go, don't worry about me..." she groaned softly.

Pikachu took her advice and pushed with all his might, burying his rod into her ass. With her juices helping slightly he pulled out and slammed back into her ass. Relying more on instincts now Pikachu grunted slightly as each thrust brought him amazing pleasure.

Vixy felt her body being tossed back and forth as the pain and pleasure surged through her backside. When Pikachu slid in she felt a tingling smooth pleasure followed by a feeling of being filled to the max. her small hole gripped tighter around his dick whenever she gasped and she soon learned how to do it on command.

Pikachu's dick was now vibrating rapidly, living up to the 'lightning rod' nickname. He felt as Vixy clenched her ass again and again around his cock -- wanting to feel him cum. Pikachu heard as Vixy moaned loudly, now pleasuring herself with her small paw. He felt her ass clench around his smooth rod one last time, sending him over the edge. With his head in a daze of pleasure and lust he felt his balls clench up again, hearing as Vixy enjoyed her orgasm. He shot his cum into her ass, feeling as his seed lubricated his pumps.

Vixy's backside felt alive with sexual pleasures as she felt hot liquid fill her opening with an electric twinge. Some of Pikachu's seed eeped out and slid down her backside, mixing with her own juice from her cunt as they both rolled to the ground.

The two electric pokemon crashed to the ground, both breathing heavily. Pikachu threw his arm around her body and held Vixy close.


"What the hell was that?" Vixy asked, exaushsted

"Just Gamez running out of ideas on how to end this."

"Gamez? Who the? End what?"

"Just fall asleep so he can go to bed."

"OK..." Vixy closed her eyes and drifted off to sleep.

Pikachu looked up into the sky, "I owe you one doc," he said.

Re:Super Yiff! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387649)

oh. my. god.
someone took a CARTOON and turned it into porn.

Forget action games (3, Informative)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387285)

I tried gaming on a 400Mhz Dell Axim. Morphgear is a pretty good arcade and console emulator, but it's just a little choppy with the sound on. The big problem is the controls. The directional pad is a little mushy and imprecise. Maybe it's better on other PDAs. The IPAQs I've seen in stores have a more substantial click on the pad. I also don't think the buttons were built to take the constant pounding of gaming and they're obviously not replacable. Still, for non-action games like Final Fantasy or Nethack it works fine.

Re:Forget action games (2, Interesting)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387360)

Instead of PDA + GBA, why has not anyone tried GBA + PDA? I mean, you could just add a touchscreen, stylus holder, flip-down KB, and a small CPU/mem to an ordinary GB Advance. I think that would be more akin to what a "gamer" would want. Perhaps that's what the N-Gage was going for? But why the high prices?

You're ridiculous (5, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387309)

no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation

I say that all the time. I think it's insane that a friend of mine just spent $500 to upgrade his PC to get Halo playable, when he could have bought an Xbox for about 100 bucks used.

I much prefer sitting on the couch playing games up on the big screen than sitting in a task chair 18 inches from a monitor. I prefer a thumbstick to a keyboard and mouse. I also prefer the types of titles that come out on consoles, and find the console exclusives to be some of the best games around.

More precisely, I generally dont care for FPS titles, and am more interested in a fun game than hi-res eye candy.

The one advantage the PC had for me was online multiplayer. An advantage its rapidly losing as more and more people plug in their Xboxes, PS2s and GCNs.

The console is catching up to the PC graphically as well - it's far surpassed the low-end PC's with so many HDTV ready titles showing up. 720p or 1080i on a big screen for me please.

And of course, the cost of entry is miniscule, compared to PC hardware. Perhaps ATI and nVidia should find a way to subsidize their hardware through software sales to try and close the gap.

Re:You're ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387463)

More precisely, I generally dont care for FPS titles, and am more interested in a fun game than hi-res eye candy.

You think games on the XBox are fun?!? I have the XBox, and I'm pissed I bought it because there's about 4 games that are fun for it.

I actually think that the developers for Xbox are more concerned with how they look than how they play. But PC games will always be more attractive. I personally seem to find games that are more fun on the PC.

Re:You're ridiculous (2, Insightful)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387512)

I dunno if you actually played any of those hdtv games for xbox, but I was unimpressed by it.

I bought the kit for pushing component video out of an x-box and took it over to a friend's house who has a 56" Sony HDTV projection screen. I cranked it up to 1080i and pretty much the only thing I saw was that it slowed down. The loading screen with the matrix letters were crisper, but that was it. I noticed no change in-game other than it being slower (noticably chunky in spots that were smooth in standard resolution).

This doesn't really surprise me, though, as all an xbox has is a slightly upgraded geforce3. That card doesn't exactly have an amazing fill rate -- it's 2 generations old. My Radeon 9700, however, pushes 1600x1200 in games quite well. Granted, it cost $200 more than the entire xbox, but that's the price if you want high-res graphics. Just don't be saying that 1080i on an xbox touches my computer.

Everyone whines about cost.. I say get a real job and don't worry about it. Gaming is a hobby. Hobbies take money. Some people work on their car and buy 20" lift kits. Some people fly remote control airplanes. I pimp the hell out of my computer. I buy lights, I buy fans, I drill holes in the case, and I buy damned expensive video cards, and I don't complain about it (well, maybe a little, but I still buy 'em)

I guess it's all about how you want to spend your money. I work hard; I play hard.

there's a big difference... (2, Interesting)

mantera (685223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387312)

There's one important factor that is often ommitted from such considerations; battery life, which is a very finite resource. I personally carry in my bag a cybershot camera that i use to videoblog and a clie, and although convergence devices have hit the market that provide a PDA with video capabilities i'm not so tempted to buy one any time soon for that very same reason. The camera would take just over an hour of video before it runs out of battery, which i personally use almost daily, and that wouldn't affect the PDAs battery at all. Separation of concerns is a good thing, and i'd imagine that gaming that'd be intensive enough to consume a PDAs battery mean it's better to have a dedicated gaming device even if that means carrying two gadgets. PDAs are meant to be reliable and a PDA that's out of battery power isn't reliable at all.

wonder why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387336)

he cracked the older PDA screen??

maybe he was playing a 3D shooter on it and was aiming the gun with the pen??

Re:wonder why... (0)

BigBadDude (683684) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387609)

pang, pang, take this... and this. and...crash....

oh... shit

Yea (3, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387350)

A console can still not achieve the versatility of a PC when it comes to gaming. I prefer consoles to PCs due to convienence, but I do recognize that gaming on a console is still laregly confined to the "local area". Only the Xbox has truly brought full-fledged online gaming to the console masses (local storage, patches, large centralized gaming network, etc - basically everything that makes online PC gaming so good).

The problem with this, is that Microsoft has been using its endless bags of cash and an unfair monopoly status to swing this much weight into a new market. If they weren't able to lose hundreds of millions of dollars to do this, it would have never happened. Online console gaming would still be largely non-existent. Just something to think about: is Microsoft good in this case, or are they bad?

Actually, if you think about it... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387426)

The PC has far less diversity in games. Basically FPS and RTS games, or super accurate driving/flying sims. Consoles get a lot more diverse than that, with much of that content plus other wierder stuff and platforming things you almost never see on the PC.

I can imagine gaming life without a PC (indeed, I only have a Mac and hardly play games on that at all) but I can't imagine gaming life without at least one of the consoles.

Re:Actually, if you think about it... (1)

E-Rock (84950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387631)

I have yet to play a decent RTS on a console. I'm still waiting for the day when the PC games and Console games can compete head to head and all the kids with mice whip the shit out of the guys with joypads.

Yet Another Example (4, Interesting)

rastakid (648791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387351)

Here is Yet Another Example (YAE) of playing games on a PDA: I'm the proud owner of the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, and I've finished ID's Doom and Lucas Art's Monkey Island I (using ScummVM ported for the Zaurus) on my PDA. Just take a look at the Zaurus Software Index [] to see which games are available. So yes, I think PDAs are growing more and more into gaming platforms, keep an eye on them. Ow, and besides gaming, you can do a lot other things with PDAs, which you can't with GBAs and others.

Re:Yet Another Example (1)

X86Daddy (446356) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387646)

I too have a Zaurus SL-5500, which is quite capable of running various games processor-wise, but I find the buttons, being designed for PDA navigational use, are not well suited for gaming. I've compared Super Mario Brothers 2 on my Zaurus under ZFCEU [] to a friend's GBA running the same game, and the GBA just plays better. Even though the buttons are similar in placement and number, they just weren't well engineered for gaming.

As for Doom, congratulations! I use it to show off the Zaurus processing and graphics abilities, but never bothered playing much due to a lack of buttons to assign for strafe, etc... What did you do in the keymapping to make it playable with one hand?

Of course, others have noted similar problems on other PDAs, and there exist gamepad clip-ons for iPaqs [] now.

biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387359)

Wow does this guy work for MS? I mean he is so Pocket PC biased its just sick.

WindowsCE (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387377)

The mentioned PDA uses WindowsCE, I consider it annoying as it means it is quite unsync'able with something else than Windows (OK, there's a commercial conduit for OSX but even...).
Now, I'd have been quite happy to see it compared with a Linux PDA :
the GBA has an ARM7500FE while my Zaurus has a StrongARM@202.
I can play Doom (prBoom) and Quake on my Z (OK, let's forget Quake ;) no, why wasn't this comparison more open ?
Maybe because this came from an individual which could not afford anything else than what he actuallly tested.
It's a pity because it just is not exhaustive.

It depends what you're after... (4, Interesting)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387387)

At the same time, no one says that it's silly to spend $1000+ on a PC to play games, when you can do the same thing with a $199 PlayStation 2.

Ever tried to find a decent flight simulator on a console? Good luck searching for one. There are plenty of games (and genres of games) that are better on a PC than they are on a console.

Some of us older gamers can remember the time when consoles couldn't even save games unless the cartridge came with built-in storage (ie, almost anything that came before the PS1), and it's only recently that online multiplayer gaming has become possible on the latest generation of consoles.

Still, try finding a real equivalent of Everquest or even Warcraft III on a PS2/X-Box/GC. You can get close, but not close enough to earn you a cigar.

Re:Upgrade factor as well (1)

I-R-Baboon (140733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387489)

PCs can be upgraded to handle the newer more resource intensive games, so they are never hindered by architecture such as a console is pending the next generation release. This is lacking in GBAs and is a pitiful attempt in most PDAs.

Besides, who wants to spend all that extra money on hardware to get that portable stuff onto your 25" monitor or waste time with it at the airport when you can be reading up on the latest geek books.

I speak from experience when I say... (1, Informative)

ArbiterOne (715233) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387391)

I had a Palm, as well as a Game Boy, and Palm beats GB hands down. Pros of Palm: Thousands of free games (check Lots of games can be stored at the same time (no need for cartridges) Infrared linking (yes, I know, GBC) Lots of games on one handheld (no need for cartridges) Besides, as for the cost: Cost of Palm Zire: $99 Cost of Game Boy Advance SP: $99 Cost of normal GBA and one game (i.e. Golden Sun): $99 Cost of one GB cartridge $20-$40 Cost of registering KQ, a shareware Palm RPG: $16 Add to that the fact that you can get free games on a Palm, and it's a no-brainer.

Meh (1)

UfoZ (680310) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387397)

You can't play good old button-mashing action games on a PDA.

(Besides... Sidetalkin' [] is where it's at! :D )

Re:Meh (1)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387493)

You can't play good old button-mashing action games on a PDA.
Well, AtomSmash [] is the reason why the buttons on my Palm Vx are toast.
Maybe it's more precise to say that you shouldn't play button-mashing games on a PDA.


A question about emulation... (1)

JAYOYAYOYAYO (700885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387406)

What I would really like to know is when will PDAs be able to smoothly run emulated GBA games, and will that day come before Nintendo introduces the GBA successor?

Why PDAs and PCs will continue to be popular... (1)

Squeebee (719115) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387448)

The thing to also remember is that you can get more games for PDAs and PCs. Why? because the cost of entry for game programming on a PDA or PC is lower. Any joe can get a compiler and write a game for a PC or a PDA. They don't need proprietary development software or testing/emulation systems, they don't need to buy and license ROMs from Nintendo, and they don't need to depend on Wal-Mart and Toys 'R Us for distribution.

The flip side of this is of course the fact that you have a lot of crap to wade through (but we are talking on Slashdot here and are obviously used to it) but there are real gems out there that rise to the top of the independant games.

What we really need is an open alternative to the Gameboy, something that had a free development environment and connects to the PC with a USB cable to download games, yet remains cheap as a GBA (of course, things like the GBA are usually cheap because it is subsidised but you get the idea). You can even still have the rom slot so commercial game companies can still sell boxed games for it.

chess? (1)

Hollins (83264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387469)

Seems like PDAs are better suited for chess, which is the game I would play the most on a portable. The interface is superior (a stylus and a touch-screen display), and I suspect the extra memory and computing power that is typically available on a PDA makes them better suited for chess. Not to mention the fairly low graphics requirements which means having enough resolution to effectively display the board in grayscale. My old Visor did a decent job at 160x160 until it stopped working.

I think for many people who are looking to be entertained when waiting for a plane, strategy games and puzzles do the trick. They aren't looking for Sonic the Hedgehog XXVII for the GBA. PDAs are more than capable for this segment.

2 things (1)

56ksucks (516942) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387470)

A) I didn't see any game in this article that isn't possible on the GBA.

B) I never thought I'd see a day when Slashdot would post a Pro-Microsoft article.


OT: By the way, is GBA-SP better than regular GBA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7387472)

I've been thinking about buying a GBA of some type for Xmas for my kid... stores are selling both the GBA *and* GBA-SP
They both play the same games, and since both are being sold, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they are being targetted to different audiences?
(ex: is the GBA-SP better suited to "big handed" (adults) people and the regular GBA is best for kids?)


Don't buy the original GBA. (2, Interesting)

rufo (126104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387618)

My advice to you: Avoid the original GBA at all costs. The SP is much more comfortable to hold (for me, anyway), has a 10 to 15 hour rechargeable battery and (most importantly) a lit screen. The original GBA does not have a lit screen, and while it looks fine in sunlight, if you're indoors or on a cloudy day it's a complete bitch to see, even if you're sitting directly beneath a lamp. (Penny Arcade isn't joking in this particular comic [] ) Our family owns both an original GBA and the SP... The original GBA is basically regulated to second-player status in multiplayer games, whereas the SP is used most of the time, mainly because you can't see the original. Go easy on your kid's eyes, get the SP.

Employer will pay for PDA, not GBA (1)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387532)

C'mon mid-day /. crowd, let's be honest. The company might sign off for a PDA purchase req, but there's no way in hell a GBA purchase req is going to go through.


First PDA (2, Informative)

MagerValp (246718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387547)

"My first PDA was the HP 95 LX, the very first palmtop computer featuring 256KB of RAM and DOS 3.22! In fact, this was the first true PDA released to the market, capable of doing more than just the super-sized electronic organizers."
The HP 95 LX was (as far as I can tell) released in 1991. PDAs had been along for a long time by then. I own two Atari Portfolios (80C88 @ 5 MHz, 128 kB RAM, DOS 2.11, released in 1989) myself, but there are even older ones, like the Psion Organiser 1 from 1984.

HP 95LX Not First (2, Informative)

bill.sheehan (93856) | more than 10 years ago | (#7387653)

With all respect to the author, the Atari Portfolio antedated the HP 95LX by a good two years. I believe the Portfolio claims the title of the first commercially available palmtop.
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