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Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the get-it-going-and-download-it dept.

Anime 344

timbloid writes "I spotted on Ain't it cool news that Mamoru Oshii's new anime Innocence Ghost In The Shell 2's website is now open! The trailer is beautiful! But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release... Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"

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Hello, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388137)

I dedicate this FP to Nastja.

That is all.

CBS are a bunch of cowards (-1, Troll)

Captain Poopypants (720974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388213)

CBS STATEMENT REGARDING 'THE REAGANS'

"CBS will not broadcast THE REAGANS on November 16 and 18. This decision is based solely on our reaction to seeing the final film, not the controversy that erupted around a draft of the script.

Although the mini-series features impressive production values and acting performances, and although the producers have sources to verify each scene in the script, we believe it does not present a balanced portrayal of the Reagans for CBS and its audience. Subsequent edits that we considered did not address those concerns.

A free broadcast network, available to all over the public airwaves, has different standards than media the public must pay to view. We do, however, recognize and respect the filmmakers' right to have their voice heard and their film seen. As such, we have reached an agreement to license the exhibition rights for the film to Showtime, a subscriber-based, pay-cable network. We believe this is a solution that benefits everyone involved.

This was not an easy decision to make. CBS does tackle controversial subjects and provide tough assessments of prominent historical figures and events, as we did with films such as 'Jesus,' '9-11' and 'Hitler.' We will continue to do so in the future."

POWER TO THE PEOPLE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388348)

Power to the people.

Manga (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388147)

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Eric wondered if this woman he had found on match.com would be impressed with his talents. He decided to put more detail into the message.

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ESR pondered for a moment, wringing out his soaked handkerchief, and continued with his typing.

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Chewing on his tongue and squinting, Eric pushed his mind into overdrive and produced a beauty of a riddle on the spot:

Windeth I towarde the skye
I haveth eye but blinde am I

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Eric wondered how to wrap up the email, something that would hook the lady on him and make her want more...

I hope we can meet and have sex. Despite my cerebral palsy, I am a monster in the sack! Maybe you'll get to see for yourself, LOLOLOL! ;-)
Love,
Eric S. Raymond

Re:Manga (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388175)

text provided courtesy of Trollaxor under the BSD license.

Re:Manga (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388214)

Duuuuuude, in Japan, only nine-year old girls watch that cartoon shit!

Not FP (-1, Offtopic)

chaotica1974 (572461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388151)

Not FP

Why learn Japanese? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388159)

Just wait for the universal Esperanto version.

Translations... (4, Insightful)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388160)

"Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"

I think it's better to watch a film in the language it's created in [planetmirror.com] . Who knows if the translation is correct? Isn't it better to hear the real actors, and listen to the sounds they make, as opposed to some translated version?

A large piece of the meaning and fluidity of a film is lost in translation.

I can remember sitting around a table of French friends of mine, not knowing a word of French myself, and it was still interesting to listen to them, like a fly on a wall. You don't know what's being said, but the experience has it's own merits.

There's something really cool about watching anime in Japanese that gives a kind of simplicity to the plot and idea of the film. Because you have no idea what's being said, you can kind of guess, and that adds some of your immagination to the mix. It delivers a kind of Zen, IMHO. And with the visuals in the trailer of Ghost In the Shell 2, who cares what language it's in!! Gimmie!! Gimmie!!

Re:Translations... (-1, Flamebait)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388188)

In summary:
Subs: good
Dubs: bad

Re:Translations... (-1, Redundant)

Gortbusters.org (637314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388197)

Nice insight. I agree that if you ever watched any of the japanese Dragonball Z, the characters on the japanese voice actors go nucking futs when the character goes super saiyan.

Re:Translations... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388199)

I think it's better to watch a film in the language it's created in... A large piece of the meaning and fluidity of a film is lost in translation.

But if you can't understand a single word, everything is lost in the translation.

Re:Translations... (1)

kaos.geo (587126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388289)

I started that way, in htat link, 2 years ago. Japanese language has 6 levels of difficulty. I am now at level 5, (6,5,4 up the difficulty level ladder). And I just love it. A lot of the things I like are in japanese, so I said, what the fuck! one day I bought a beautiful adventure game to play in my PS emulator and found out all the text was in japanese and very VERY unlikely to be transleted. That really got me going. Sayonara. PiTeR-San

Re:Translations... (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388354)

Definitely subtitles are best, no-one would argue with that surely, except for cheesy70s kung fu movies ;) Though having said that, I know a lot of people who can't cope with subtitles because of dyslexia or generally not being able to read too quickly.

Bottom line -- dubbing is anaethema to anime fans ;)

Re:Translations... (5, Insightful)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388405)

I happen to think there are some movies which can be enjoyed without knowing a single word of dialog. Ghost in the shell is not one of these. The questions it poses about life and what it means to be human are something that you really need to hear and understand to enjoy.

Re:Translations... (4, Funny)

Sexy Commando (612371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388441)

The following link [americakokki.com] should give you a kick start on learning Japanese, uh, I mean English.

echo 'Slashdot == CRASHDOT'; (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388164)

Slashdot is dying.

It is official; Webalizer statistics now confirms: Slashdot is dying.

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Andover.Net when Cmdr Taco confirmed that their servers have gone offline yet again, now down to less than a fraction their functionality when he was unmarried. Coming on the heels of a recent Kuro5hin survey which plainly states that Slashdot has lost its way, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Slashdot is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by being the most trolled website in the world.

You don't need to be Cowboy Neal to predict Slashdot's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Slashdot faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Slashdot because the Slashdot is dying. Things are looking very bad for Slashdot. As many of us are already aware, as Slashdot servers continue to crash.

Red ink flows like a river of blood. For all practical purposes, Slashdot is dead, or at least should be.

PS: Hey assholes, fix your fucking website - you lazy post dot com shits.

Slashdot WAS dying this am. (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388278)

Did you see the smileys instead of Friend/Fan? weird.

Ghost is great non anime lovers. (5, Interesting)

Godeke (32895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388174)

I love the original ghost because it convinces many who didn't think they would like anime that it isn't "just a cartoon". Although today anime is becoming "cool", when I was in high school it was pretty fringe. When ghost came out, I showed it to quite a few people who didn't know what anime was, and most had a much better appreciation for the fact that "cartoons" could tell a compelling story.

Of course, it isn't for the squeamish...

WTF are you talking about? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388527)

You showed GitS to people to convince them that the genre is worthwhile? GitS is a piece of crap. It's the exact same as 1,001 other anime features:

* Big-titted broads
* Things blowing up
* Guns and stuff
* Lots of pseudo-philosophical bullshit straight out of a freshman dormroom.
* A spacy, ambiguous, intended to be profound but actually just plain stupid ending.

GitS is pretty much just Akira updated for a new generation of easily-impressed otakus with a shallow grasp of narrative structure and meaning.

Anime Sucks.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388176)

what's with the continued fascination with japanimation?? Aren't you people too old for this now?

I got over it once I learned it was a lot more fun smoking, drinking, and fucking, than watching some big-eyed orange spiky haired cartoon getting raped by tentacle monsters.

grow up.

Re:Anime Sucks.. (2, Insightful)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388207)

Why the hell is this rated Interesting and not Flamebait? Japanese animation isnt all about raping and sex no more than all American films is hardcore pornography.

There are some great and funny, not to mention hardwarming movies and series in this genre. Open your eyes, and stop being so discriminating.

Re:Anime Sucks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388232)

stop being so discriminating


This just about says it all. How the fuck do you manage to read subtitles when you DON'T KNOW ENGLISH?

Re:Anime Sucks.. (1)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388269)

Actually I dont watch subtitled anime (yes I know, its better etc etc etc). I only watched dubbed for the simple fact that I am lazy.

Re:Anime Sucks.. (2, Funny)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388256)

what's with the continued fascination with japanimation?? Aren't you people too old for this now?

I got over it once I learned it was a lot more fun smoking, drinking, and fucking, than watching some big-eyed orange spiky haired cartoon getting raped by tentacle monsters.

what's with the continued fascination with anonymous posting?? Aren't you too old for this now?

I got over it once I learned it was a lot more fun taking responsibility for my posting, than hiding behind my mommy's skirt as I post trolls and flamebait.

Older than that (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388290)

It's a lot more fun smoking, drinking, and fucking until you have had your fill. When this happens you either grow up and go back to things that are more intellectual or you become a drunken bum who no one wants to have sex with anyways. Either way, you'll be back. There's no escape from the tentacle monsters!

Re:Anime Sucks.. (4, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388342)

I've been asked that before.

My personal preference of Anime is that I feel animation is a more solid medium to present a story. And japenese animation has historically been better than many of the US attempts. Likewise, Japenese animation is more likey to show the darker side of things: people die, blood is spilled, war, etc. Meanwhile, US animation is too "Disney-esque", pandering to the G-rated demographic, or trying to get kids to buy their merchandise.

Some people prefer black-and-white films, other like musicals, and I even know a few people that like silent films. It's just a preference on how the film is portrayed, and I personally like a WELL drawn animation so long as it has a good story and isn't some lame kids show.

In movies, you have wooden actors playing the lead roles because teenage girls think they are cute, and a bimbo playing the leading lady because she has big cleavage.

And most importantly, there are some things that actors can't do (mostly stunts). Sure, you can add special affects, but they sometimes don't look too special.

The settings are another benefit. Some of the greatly drawn anime has settings that you cannot replicate on a stage without it looking "tacky" or fake (CGI), and in some cases look almost heavenly. Lush forests, planet-scapes, buildings, some of it are works of art.

Animation CAN allow a story to be truly delivered the way it was meant ot be delivered. The character can look exactly like the author originally imagined him/her as. The stunts can look more fluid (all-be-it impossible to perform in real life). Essentially the entire film can be presented in a pure unadulterated form.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of bad animation out there. And, like anything else, it can be watered down to some fluff that only kids like (such as Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc). And the tentacle thing (while a stereotypical description of anime) occurs in more "shady" shows, it's not like its everywhere. You must just be downloading some porn like "La Blue Girl" or something.

All I ask is that some of you people not just label it as some kiddy-show or porn. There's a lot of anime out there that's deep and meaningful, all-the-while being beautifully drawn.

Re:Anime Sucks.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388409)

Pikachu moaned as he felt his prick being handled by Vixy's small paw. "Ohh... Vixy..."

"So you like that? Well -- tell me how this feels," Vixy kept stroking Pikachu's small shaft, watching him writhe under her soft touch. She bent down and wrapped her small lips around his prick while continuing to stroke his member.

Pikachu stretched his arms out and tried to grip the ground, his small claws making scratching sounds. He opened one eye and watched as she licked the head of his cock while her small paw quickly slide up and down bringing him a unique double pleasure. He began to thrust his hips inwards towards the pleasure, making his body shiver with delight.

Vixy enjoyed the feeling of his hot member pulsing in his mouth as she delicately traced her tongue around slower and slower. Sparks started to jump from her cheeks to Pikachu's body, signaling energy was building quick in his body. She stopped her treatment and moved her body up towards his face, making sure her soft fur rubbed against his dick.

Pikachu grabbed placed one paw behind her head and pulled Vixy's head close for a kiss. He parted his lips and felt as they met her's. He darted his tongue out and felt as it slipped again and again over Vixy's. The two electric pokemon explored each other's mouth, small sparks jumping between the two. His other paw slid down her back, and rested on her small butt. He gripped her ass and sent a little sharp jolt of electricity through his hand.

"Ah!" Vixy yelped as she broke the kiss. She gave Pikachu a sly look, "little frisky are we?" She gave the side of his face a small lick before rolling off of him. "Come and get me mouse boy," she said playfully. She hopped away -- looking back at Pikachu, who sat up, with a confused look on his face. She bent over and lifted her tail up, "don't you want some of this?"

Pikachu got the message soon enough, he hopped up onto his feet and ran after her.

Vixy giggled as she got back up and ran off -- deliberately slower than she could run. She looked back long enough to see Pikachu pounce at her. She felt her body slammed into the ground as Pikachu quickly mounted her, positioning his prick between her legs. She felt a small nibble on her ear -- sending a slight chill of tingling pleasure down her spine. At the same time Pikachu thrusted his dick into her body -- filling her small box up. "Oh! Pikachu!" She cried out at the immediacy of his intrusion.

Pikachu, lightly nibbling on Vixy's ear felt as his dick was lightly squeezed between her wet inner walls. He thrusted his hips into her backside, plunging his member deeper and deeper into her cunt. His hands rested on Vixy's sides, pulling her into his movements -- feeling her soft fur between his paws. He could feel her soft murrs of pleasure as her body came closer to her climax. He slammed into her backside two more times before pulling his hardness out and flipping her over.

"Wha- Pikachu what are you doi- Ohhhhhh," she moaned as a small tongue was slipping in and around her lips in a vigorous fashion. New waves of pleasure kept Vixy slightly moaning and arching her back. Vixy felt as Pikachu's tongue found her clit and began to flick and massage against it. "P-Pikachu..." she said between struggled gasps. She pulled his face deeper into her pussy, now grinding her hips against his face. With a large moan Vixy felt as a stream of electric pleasures surged through her body. Her legs squeezed Pikachu's face as her body shivered violently.

Pikachu tasted Vixy's juices as her body exploded with her orgasm. He lapped up every drop, making sure to rub against her clit just enough to bring more lustful sounds. When she let up enough for him to move he lifted his head away from her heat and moved back up to her face. "Enjoy yourself now?"

Panting heavily she managed a weak grin, "no more than you'll enjoy this," she said as she gripped his aching cock with a firm grasp. "Now how about you lay back this time," she said pushing against his chest.

Pikachu smiled back and laid on his back watching as she quickly bowed her head. With one smooth move Vixy opened her mouth and took his entire dick to the hilt into it. Her tongue began to swirl it around her mouth delicately.

She lifted her head, "come one sparky... cum for me," she said stroking his cock before going back down onto it. She allowed it to dive deep into her mouth, almost touching the back of her throat. Vixy slipped her lips up over his member and back down it again, creating a slow sucking and bobbing motion.

A small trembling started down in Pikachu's furry sack. He groaned as the feeling was nursed by Vixy's small paw, rubbing lightly against his testicles. He felt her paw move down to his small tailhole. With a yelp of pain he felt as two of her fingers slid into his ass. The pain was overwhelmed by pleasure however as she pushed against his prostate -- causing his own orgasm to come rushing fast and hard. He blew his load into Vixy's mouth.

Vixy gagged as Pikachu's hot cum flowed down her throat. She milked his dick dry, using her paw to squeeze the last of his cum out. With the taste of cum in her mouth she crawled up and licked Pikachu's lips. She locked him into another kiss, feeling his heart beat fast and hard.

Pikachu could taste his cum in Vixy's mouth, feeling his ego grow -- as if he finally found his mate. As their kiss intensified he felt as her paws kept massaging his prick -- urging his erection to return. Slowly it did, as his prick succumb to her soft paws.

She broke the kiss and nibbled on his ear, whispering gently, "come on -- I've been a bad pokemon. Somebody should show me how a bad girl acts." She walked forward again and bent over, exposing herself to Pikachu again.

Pikachu jumped up and stood behind Vixy's body again. Slowly he pushed into her cunt. Giving a few thrusts Pikachu pulled himself back out.

"Oh... don't stop," Vixy moaned.

"Don't worry -- I'm going to show how I treat bad girls," Pikachu grabbed hold of his now moist member and placed it at the opening to Vixy's tailhole. He heard a yelp of surprise as his dick began to plunge into her opening. Pushing slowly but forcefully he spread her tight walls open. He felt as each twitch and shiver would cause her ass to clench around his member all the more harder.

"P-Pikachu... just go, don't worry about me..." she groaned softly.

Pikachu took her advice and pushed with all his might, burying his rod into her ass. With her juices helping slightly he pulled out and slammed back into her ass. Relying more on instincts now Pikachu grunted slightly as each thrust brought him amazing pleasure.

Vixy felt her body being tossed back and forth as the pain and pleasure surged through her backside. When Pikachu slid in she felt a tingling smooth pleasure followed by a feeling of being filled to the max. her small hole gripped tighter around his dick whenever she gasped and she soon learned how to do it on command.

Pikachu's dick was now vibrating rapidly, living up to the 'lightning rod' nickname. He felt as Vixy clenched her ass again and again around his cock -- wanting to feel him cum. Pikachu heard as Vixy moaned loudly, now pleasuring herself with her small paw. He felt her ass clench around his smooth rod one last time, sending him over the edge. With his head in a daze of pleasure and lust he felt his balls clench up again, hearing as Vixy enjoyed her orgasm. He shot his cum into her ass, feeling as his seed lubricated his pumps.

Vixy's backside felt alive with sexual pleasures as she felt hot liquid fill her opening with an electric twinge. Some of Pikachu's seed eeped out and slid down her backside, mixing with her own juice from her cunt as they both rolled to the ground.

The two electric pokemon crashed to the ground, both breathing heavily. Pikachu threw his arm around her body and held Vixy close.

"PLOAND!"

"What the hell was that?" Vixy asked, exaushsted

"Just Gamez running out of ideas on how to end this."

"Gamez? Who the? End what?"

"Just fall asleep so he can go to bed."

"OK..." Vixy closed her eyes and drifted off to sleep.

Pikachu looked up into the sky, "I owe you one doc," he said.

Anime ha saiaku Re:Anime Sucks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388490)

Boku ha majide sanseishitemasu yo. Otaku mono mou yametoke. Antatachi datte, ikutsu nano?

Shikamo desune, Dragon Ball toka, Love Hina, Sailormoon bakari yonderu noha hazukashikunai no? Tokuni, ano Tenchi Muyo no icon wo... iyarashii oyaji kanji to omowanai?

Nihonjin datte, sou yuu no shinai mon...

TRANSLATION
I agree completely. Please stop these "otaku" stuffs. How old are you, really?

Moreover, reading stuffs like "Dragon Ball", "Love Hina", "Sailor Moon"... can't you guys feel like, ashame? Especially the "Tenchi Muyo" icon... don't you think it gives the impression of a disgusting "uncle"?

Even the Japanese don't read these...

Re:Anime Sucks.. (1)

fenix down (206580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388570)

Please. Liquor and cigarettes are bad for you. Both will induce impotence and deaden sexual sensitivity. Stick to acid, E, little bit of nitrous and surrealist anime porn. Preserves sensitivity and doesn't ruin your ability to show a lady a good time.

Re:Anime Sucks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388632)

ah yes, the Slashdot troll talking about all the fucking he's doing. this shit makes me laugh out loud every time.

Flash (1, Offtopic)

bludstone (103539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388177)

Flash.. Ahhhh~ Savior of the universe.

Seriously tho. Who designed this page? I mean, I love anime, and Im fairly confident that this is going to be a wonderful (and profitable) movie, but fullscreening to a black "loading" page right away?

How about some basic design principals?!

Re:Flash (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388208)

It gives you two options, full screen or small. If you don't like full screen, choose small! :)

Re:Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388261)

Obviously, you didn't wait for it to load. Your loss. Sometimes, there are things so beautiful, it's okay if they break with convention.

Re:Flash (1)

Andorion (526481) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388302)

I use a dual monitor setup... whenever anything goes fullscreen, the center is right in between the two monitor.

~Berj

Re:Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388341)

How about some basic design principals?!
... or some spelling 'principals'...

Oh no, This story has given mah body the Vapors! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388184)

I've got your picture
Of me and you
You wrote "I love you"
I love me too
I sit there staring and there's nothing else to do
Oh it's in color
Your hair is brown
Your eyes are hazel
And soft as clouds
I Often kiss you when there's no one else around

I've got your picture, I've got your picture
I'd like a million of you all to myself
I want a doctor to take your picture
So I can look at you from inside as well
You've got me turning up I'm turning down I'm turning in I'm turning round
I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
I`m turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think
so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so

I've got your picture, I've got your picture
I'd like a million of you all to myself
I want a doctor to take your picture
So I can look at you from inside as well
You've got me turning up I'm turning down I'm turning in I'm
turning round
I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
No sex, no drugs, no wine, no women
No fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark
Everyone around me is a total stranger
Everyone avoids me like a cylone ranger
Everyone
That's why I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I
really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so
(think so think so think so)
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so

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Learning Japanese (5, Funny)

ajakk (29927) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388186)

A much better site for information on learning Japanese is at U. Mass. [umass.edu]

fansubs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388189)

IIRC fansubbed version of trailer is already out. And movie will fansubbed as soon there's some good raw out...

Payed Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388195)

Saw a story on 60 minutes that basically said articles like this are being paid for by a secretive ad agency. Films like cowboy bebop used them to boost it's recognation. They even have 13 year olds (average /. user age) to post under numerous different accounts about how great the films are. /.'ers beware...

Re:Payed Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388529)

And I read that shows like 60 Minutes and Dateline NBC feed paranoid fantasies to keep their ratings high. You know, like strapping some dynamite to a truck and blow it up so you can show how unstable the trucks are.

Keep the tinfoil hat flying!

Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese? (2, Funny)

GMontag (42283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388198)

Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?

So long as you are not turning Japanese [lyricsxp.com] that will be fine.

GITS:Innocence (3, Informative)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388204)

Looks good, very eye-candy like the first GITS, however, will it have the content to go with the eye-candy? The first movie (IMHO) had the problem of being very good looking, however, the story was a bit of a let down. Also, the story in the movie didn't follow the manga correctly, with many parts not happening in the manga. However, I can understand how there would be problems converting from a manga to a OVA or movie.

Also, I would say that the US will not be seeing the movie until sometime in 2005. I personaly am looking forward to GITS:Stand Allow Complex, both the series and the manga.

Re:GITS:Innocence (3, Informative)

Pope (17780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388295)

Then GITS:Stand Alone Complex is the one for you! 26 episodes in the current run, and was renewed for another 26. Fansubs currently only exist up to 22 because the title was licensed for translation and distribution recently. No idea what the timeline is for release, though.

Episde Guide [destroy-all-monsters.com]

Re:GITS:Innocence (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388364)

Do you know if it is based more on the manga, or is it an independent story? From what I have been reading its based on the mangas.

Release dates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388509)

Also, I would say that the US will not be seeing the movie until sometime in 2005. I personaly am looking forward to GITS:Stand Allow Complex, both the series and the manga.

Dreamworks announced [animenewsnetwork.com] a while ago that they would be giving GITS: Innocence a spring 2004 release (april, i think they said, but i don't have a link to that reference).

And what do you mean by Stand Alone Complex manga? Do you mean GITS2: Man-Machine Interface? [darkhorse.com]

Re:Release dates (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388564)

Thats the one, I've heard it called by different names on the anime boards.

Re:GITS:Innocence (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388571)

The stories in anime are usually a bit thin - although, as with Akira, I found that in subtitles things hung together better than in the dub. A short form like a feature length is never going to be able to exactly follow a long form like a Manga series. It seems to work best just to go with the flow and take it for what it is.

Guess what (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388216)

Anime is for fags, and the little boys they molest!

Learn Japanese Would Be Quicker (0, Funny)

Deanasc (201050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388228)

That would be great. Then you can translate it for us.

Not that far off? (3, Informative)

ChrisTower (122297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388230)

But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release...

The original GitS had a simultaneous theatrical release in Japan, the US and the UK. So, you might not have to wait that long after all. Oh, and I'm sure the fansubbers will be all over it as fast as possible. I saw a TeleSync of the Cowboy Bebop movie two weeks after its Japanese premier.

Learn Japanese (1)

Kokeshi Harinezumi (713397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388234)

You can learn Japanese in about a year, if you are living in the country.
If you're not American, look into the Working Holiday Visa.

Re:Learn Japanese (1)

OutRigged (573843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388557)

What if you are American?

Is this dangerous (0, Troll)

Jack Wagner (444727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388236)

I have to wonder what sort of negative influences todays youth get from these things.

In the olden days we had cartoons that taught us lessons, taught us right from wrong, using American standards and American morals. This was the mindset that drove the industrial revolution and pushed the USA to the top of the super power food chain.

The youth of today watches these Japanes cartoons and can only get confused by it all. The Japanese mindset is totally different from the USian mindset, which serves to water down the American youth and poisen them with bad values and habits. It's no wonder we are becoming a service industry while the JApanese and Chinese produce all the goods. Is it a coincidence that they have stolen our business in this manner? Hardly.

Lets look at some of the greatest Japanese companies at this point in time, Honda, Nikon, Qualcom, etc. How do you think they gained so much market share in such little time? Because we gave it to them because our youth has no drive or motivation to innovate. They simply think they can rest on the laurels of the great men who went before them, the Henry Fords and Rockifelers, etc.

I think we should outlaw all this crap and make kids go back to watching quality cartoons before we're all forced to speak Japanese, if you know what I mean.

Hey, It's Jack Wagner (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388267)

Nobody's tracked you down and killed you yet?

You cum-guzzling fag-wannabe!

Re:Is this dangerous (-1)

mumwahead (606744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388301)

Shove it.

Re:Is this dangerous (1)

QuantumSpritz (703080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388344)

I'm really going to hope you're kidding. Really. There are far more things to blame 'moral degeneration' on that Japanese freaking cartoons - hell, if anything, they (may) have contributed to the tech boom - which doesn't deem like a comedown to me.
Besides - I'm not sure how crushing other people with anvils, burning them, blowing them up, running them over is any better than what the Japasese 'toons are showing. (With a few non-televised exceptions, of course...)

No, he's right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388519)

Even Eric Brooks agreed in "The Mythical Man Month"

Re:Is this dangerous (1)

sloppydawg (660580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388379)

Are you saying that the great inventors, innovators and opportunists of our country learned their morals from steamboat willie cartoons? Thinking that a childs morals are the responsiblity of the entertainment industry is the real problem. I hope your last comment was sarcasam because if you really meant it than I sure hope you don't have kids. 'Here son I don't have the time to teach you the difference between right and wrong so sit in front of this television and it will reveal it all to you.'

Re:Is this dangerous (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388510)

Nice to see at least some trolls have respect for the old ways!

Re:Is this dangerous (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388537)

It's people like you that make me ashamed to be American. You're saying "Them Jap's are poisening the minds of our young-uns." That is a load of horse manuer. (Note, that quote is to make a point about closed-minded Americans, I mean no offense with any of the slang in there).

The "American mindset" is completely different that the rest of the world. We fill our shows and movies with SCORES OF VIOLENCE, while Europeans look at what we watch/produce and are disgusted. Sure, you can say "well, they have all 'them naked ladies on the teli" but it's just a cultural difference.

Face it, we have nobody to blame for our current cultural and industrial situation than ourselves. We've ALL become too lazy, becoming a nation of consumers and not producers. Saying that it's Japan's fault or our children's fault is complete nonsense.

And what "quality cartoons" do you speak of? The old Hannah-Barbara cartoons that were written for the minds of 4-year-olds, or "the Smurfs" with their rand-dictator Papa?

Face it, showing our kids culture from other countries would inspire them (except for Pokemon and the like). Face it, Japanese cartoons show a less Eutopian view of the world than some of the dreck we've created. They also get kids involved in technology, as much of it is focuses around it.

And most importantly, Anime MOVIES ARE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY DEEP!!! There's usually heavy metaphor in a movie, with a deep moral being presented at the end. Such themes as "we control our own destiny", "being superior takes second to heart/ambition/and just wanting it more", and "we must stop teading on the environment with our industrialistic mindset."

In short, stop being such a stereotypical American. Open your mind to other cultures, and stop blaming others for your kids' problems.

Learning Japanese (4, Interesting)

Squeebee (719115) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388259)

"Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"

I would say that you can't really grasp Japanese language without living in Japan for a while. I can say that after taking Japanese in High School and College and getting top marks in both, my Japanese skills turned out to be pathetic when I finally got to Japan.

That being said, after a few years of diving into the language (by which I mean being thrown in the deep end of the pool), I could function fairly well as an interpreter.

The big thing is to go to Japan and speak Japanese, even if you can't. Hanging around with other English speakers all the time and/or copping out and trying to get them to speak English will get you nowhere. The average english teacher I see in Japan can't speak a lick of Japanese even after several years. Why? because they either do not want to learn or constantly take the easy way out.

Learning Japanese (2, Informative)

Kokeshi Harinezumi (713397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388270)

You can learn Japanese in about a year, if you are living in the country. If you're not American, look into the Working Holiday Visa option. There are also some excellent exchange programs with generous scholarships to students.

If you arent american? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388391)

What, are they denying entry of people from my country?

Re:If you arent american? (1)

Kokeshi Harinezumi (713397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388512)

Apparently, for the Working Holiday Visa, they are. I suppose there are some awkward political reasons supporting this, but I'll repeat as I've heard.

Re:If you arent american? (1)

Kokeshi Harinezumi (713397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388591)

I spend a year in the J-country on a university exchange.
I would often meet fellow gaijin and get into conversations. Eventually, we would get to the topic of returning to Japan. How to do it?
The first question they asked me: Are you American?
If not, go for the Working Holiday Visa!
To apply for the one-year visa, the requirements are:
* Round-trip plane ticket
* ~US$2000 in travellers checks (excuse the currency :)
* Age between 18 and 30 (inclusive)

I plan to use it.

Ghost in the Shell : Stand Alone Project (3, Informative)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388276)

If you want more of the GITS i suggest checking out this anime series. It takes place in a different timeline where Mokoto Kusangi never encountered the Puppet Master.

It has been fansubbed by a few groups and I believe it is licensed for US release as well.

Re:Ghost in the Shell : Stand Alone Project (-1)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388286)

Stand Alone Complex

MOD ME DOWN.. my bad on the title.. (0)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388412)

Christ.. why did I think project.. must be the crank I am smoking..

anyways great series..

GITS : SAC (1, Redundant)

strmcrw (621623) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388279)

FYI: There is also a series - Ghost in the Shell : Stand Alone Complex.
It's currently aired in Japan - there have been some Fansubs, but most have stopped since it was licenced in the US.
I have seen the first few episodes and can highly recommend them.

Re:GITS : SAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388440)

it licensed long ago before it ever started airing...

bandai just sent some C&D to fansub groups (that's why they stopped)

Re:GITS : SAC (1)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388466)

considering you can get the entire series in fandub I would say the C&D weren't entirely successful.

In case of slashdotting: (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388303)

Squiggly squiggly squiggly squiggly squiggly
Innocence
Fullscreen | Small

Stylized 'F' box box box squiggly squiggly Flash squiggly squiggly box box box box box box

Re:In case of slashdotting: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388375)

Stylized 'F' box box box squiggly squiggly Flash squiggly squiggly box box box box box box

Yep, sounds like a typical anime dubbing to me.

Multiple uses of the language (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388317)

You can learn the language just to understand the movie and then sell your talents as a translator to people who import Anime or video games from Japan and really want to understand them (so much so that they'd pay for it).

Get some practical use outta it, right? ;)

Re:Multiple uses of the language (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388397)

yeah and how will you get a job ? write i'm a crappy japanese speaker who watches anime on your resume ?

Re:Multiple uses of the language (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388453)

Perhaps someone with foresight would learn it well before attempting such an idea as what I proposed...

Subtitles (3, Funny)

chefren (17219) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388329)

Learning to read english is probably easier. Then you can watch the movie with subtiles.

Re:Subtitles (1)

chefren (17219) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388433)

Aaaargh! Learning to *write* english would be good too! It's subtitles not subtiles..

Damn... (1)

dcs (42578) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388382)

For a bit I thought people were talking about the release of GitS: Standalone Complex in the US.

Biggest problem with anime (4, Insightful)

5amTheButcher (720031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388385)

I think the biggest problem anime currently faces in the US is not translation, or people not liking sub-titles. It comes down to two things:
People expect anime to be childrens cartoons, because that's all american cartoons are (in general)
or
People look for a traditional western storyline, and they can't handle characters who are both good and bad, and stories that deal with multiple social issues, without offering panaceas at the end.

It takes a unique type of American to enjoy an anime, and until the rest of the country realizes the walls they have up, and takes them down, and appreciates anime for the beautiful deep art it is, anime won't be widely accepted.

What does this have to do with GITS? I would love to see that movie on a big screen, but unless I catch it at a local college, I've got no chance. We need to change American preconceptions so that we can watch our movies the way they were meant to be watched!

I often show friends the movie Princess Mononoke(sp?), and they say, "Wow, that was incredible!", and I tell them, "There are more movies like that, and a lot that are better than that." But no one has ever heard of it, because the american public can't understand or be bothered to try and understand an animated cartoon not aimed at children, or that doesn't hinge on humour. Sure, Pixar has gotten animation into the mainstream, but all of pixars movies are considered "Funny" and "child-safe".

Just my 3.5 cents.

Re:Biggest problem with anime (1)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388578)

I've seen my share of Anime, and it's not an issue of a "traditional western storyline" that's lacking. Too many storylines in Japanese movies and anime are simply lacking quality. Important details are left out of the story line. There are giant plot holes you could drive a bus through. This applies to live action films, too. Compare "Ringu" and "The Ring." There are so many unexplained occurences in "Ringu" that were developed and explained in the remake. "Audition" is a sick, sick movie, that will stay in your mind for days. However, the writers do a horrible job leading up to the climax. All these flashbacks are too confusing and there are too many scenes that make no damn sense.

The defense given is that this is just "film noir" and is supposed to be hard to follow. Bull. It's poor writing.

A Friend Suggested GitS as Example of Good Anime (0, Flamebait)

avdi (66548) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388392)

So I watched it, and yeah, it was better than a lot of the anime I've seen, but it still sucked by any conventional film standards. Animation was horrible (I don't care how good of a painter you are, this is *animation*, the pictures are expected to move fluidly). The dialog was unremarkable at best (yes, I watched the subtitled version). The plot was cliched and confused (not confusing; confused). Animation still can't show fights worth crap; fights are always broken down into a montage of "scenes" - a girl rolls, a kick connects, a gun fires, a wall cracks. Worst of all, like all anime, it was way too wrapped up in it's own visuals. Note to anime filmmakers - I'm impressed when a live action film achieves an iconic visual style, because I recognize how difficult that can be given the realities of lighting, camera limitations, physics, and acting. I'm far less impressed when an animated film achieves a similar style, becaus by definition it's a completely controlled environment where (at least theoreticaly) anything is possible. So when Our Cloaked Hero stalks away, wreathed in steam, through a downpour, in perfectly noir-lit streets, I'm not going to oblige you be saying "wow". It's not like you had to arrange for the damn fog machines.

Also: anime depictitions of "angst" are as laughable as they are ubiquitous. Downcast eyes and hunched shoulders do not a Tormented Hero make. Don't think that a few seconds of canned backstory footage is a substitute for decent acting when trying to drag some character sympathy from the audience.

I get the impression that when fans sit down to watch anime, all the standards which they might otherwise apply go right out the window, because it's ANIME!!!

Huh? (5, Funny)

44BSD (701309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388395)

I never heard of this "Ghost in the" shell.

For me, you still can't beat Bourne.

A Sequel? (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388403)

Considering the abrupt and seemingly unfinished ending of the first movie, I'm no so sure I want to get too worked up over a sequel.

Re:A Sequel? (2, Informative)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388613)

The orginal GITS manga was written with the same type of ending, the author orginaly intended for another manga to be out soon telling the rest of the story, but delays kept it from happening.

Soon after there is a Japanese video release (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388415)

Fansubbed divx and/or xvid releases will make their way to your local bittorrent search engine.

yes, indeed. (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388421)

Subject is in answer to :
trailer is beautiful!

Looks like there's a lot of computer graphics in it...

BTW, Lots of us see the original GITS as the movie that got plagiarized by the Wachowskis.

It's nice to see an incoming sequel of the original thing.

Re:yes, indeed. (1)

Xeger (20906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388622)

Sorry, how does it follow that Wachowskis plagiarized GITS? I'm not defending the Wachowskis -- Matrix is already a rip-off of about a dozen schools of western, eastern, ancient and modern philosophy -- but the storylines seem largely divergent.

GITS:

  • Some chick thinks she's an ordinary chick living in an ordinary world
  • Chick gets mixed up in something big
  • Chick turns out to be VERY un-ordinary
  • ...but she's living in an ordinary world (i.e. not fundamentally different from the world she thought she was in before)

Matrix:

  • Some dude thinks he's an ordinary dude living in an ordinary world
  • Dude gets mixed up in something VERY big (earth-shattering)
  • Dude turns out to be VERY un-ordinary
  • ...and the world he's living in is fundamentally different from what he thought

If you liked Blade Runner, See This (1)

GOPWillC (720979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388437)

It is very similar to Blade Runner, in that it gets us to question, if robots/artifical intelligence, can think, feel, and sense things, are they any less human than we are? The original Ghost in the Shell made us think, while at the same time entertaining us. Very few movies do this. I personally hope that this is just as great as the original, I expect it to be.

Re:If you liked Blade Runner, See This (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388580)

The original Ghost in the Shell made us think

It made me think "why the fuck am I watching a cartoon, and why do all those fat nerds think this is deep cinema?"

Learn japanese? (-1)

Captain Goatse (715400) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388438)

Just download a fansub 2 weeks or so after it's done.

AnimeSuki [animesuki.com] is what I use for my current anime fansub needs.

Interesting choice of music... (3, Informative)

Vadim Grinshpun (31) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388456)

I was very surprised at what I heard when I opened the trailer--the song that goes through the whole thing is set to the melody of Joaquin Rodrigo's 'Concierto del Aranguez', one of the very few classical concertos for guitar. Interesting to hear the piece arranged for voice and hand drums :)

Innocence my arse! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7388460)

I, like most of other people, often masturbate watching all of those "innocent" anime. Let's face it -- why whould a bunch of big, fat, old and ugly nerds (myself including) watch cartoons with cute, little, sweet, innocent girls, if not for masturbation related purposes? Why indeed? For the story line? Puh-lease! I generally don't get laid very often (especially by cute, little, sweet, innocent girls) so I watch anime and masturbate. Sue me!

Wait for fansub (2, Informative)

klui (457783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388491)

Fansubs will come out in less than a month. You can then read your way through, along with the subs of the songs.

Ghost in the Shell (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388594)


You know... I haven't updated one my sites in EONS... I wrote a document called 'Ghost in the Shell [antioffline.com] ' that surprisingly gets about 3000 hits a week on Google searches. Not much, but certainly enough to know the interest GITS generates. I've done the anime thing a while back, now I only have time for Jenna, Chasey, and other starlets

I sure hope it's better than the manga... (1)

Thag (8436) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388599)

I never thought I would say this about a Masamune Shirow manga, but GITS2 sucked!

Instead of brilliant mecha design and architecture, we get variations on "butt floss girl floating in cyberspace." Which I guess is his new variation on "butt floss girl climbing out of mecha." It's like "Cable Porn: The Manga."

I actually cancelled my order at the local comic shop after issue 3 came out.

I've talked to other people whe have also been turned off of Shirow recently because of the cheese. It's kind of sad, he's still a talented artist, but he seems to have lost all perspective on reality.

Jon Acheson

Foreign Language and Computer Programming? (0, Redundant)

bluethundr (562578) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388601)



That language instruction link [japanese-online.com] seems really freakin' cool! I've toyed with the idea of learning Japanese for a while now. Maybe I'll finally find the motivation to try it out with this.

I've recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who runs a tech staffing agency about foreign language study amongst computer programmers. Both programming and foregin languages have always been an interest of mine. I was surprised to hear from him that this is actually "not unusual at all", and that in his mind the two interests have always gone hand in hand. I was wondering if anyone else here might have noticed this correlation?

Fansub? (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7388641)

If the english version is delayed... there's almost certainly going to be some fansubs around the net beforehand. If you're feeling impatient, you could always grab a copy of the japanese DVD (to be legit) and then download a fansub so you can understand the movie better.
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