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Fedora Core 1 Released

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the pudding-to-prove dept.

Red Hat Software 566

EvilAlien writes "The Fedora Project has released Fedora Core 1, aka Yarrow. The release was expected on November 3rd, but was briefly delayed. The release notes has quite a bit of good detail, and is worth checking out for any preliminary questions you may have. Download options include BitTorrent in addition to the traditional collection of FTP mirrors."

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Is this the one . . . (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400556)

. . . that people should be using Windows instead of? Maybe Red Hat can clarify that for us.

~~~

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400589)

I work for RedHat and am therefore posting anonymously. While this was not done on purpose, it was by a sole milliner, and not a decision by RedHat. That milliner has since been let go.

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400743)

is this turning into another /. bandwagon? i honestly cant remember all these things anymore.

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400790)

A milliner makes women's hats. Maybe you mean haberdasher?

Mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400682)

Here is a mirror MIRROR [slashdot.org]

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400754)

Windows - the choice of all 90-year-old fathers!

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400857)

Because Linux is the choice of 90-year-old men who have never been laid :).

Re:Is this the one . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400763)

so is 'core 1' the final build of this one or is there going to 'core 2', 'core 3', etc, i was thinking of upgrading my redhat 9 box to something newer like gentoo or fedora but if its beta software, ill wait

Re:Is this the one . . . (0, Offtopic)

Rik van Riel (4968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400807)

Funny, makes me wonder what the fancy desktop stuff in Fedora is all about, then...

OTOH, it is possible that Linux really might not be suitable for the "but I ordered a green iMac, why are there all kinds of other colors on the front?" audience yet...

Not everybody knows how to double-click or when to use a left or a right mouse button...

(this is my personal opinion ... but it could be yours, too)

Re:Is this the one . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400883)

or when to use a left or a right mouse button...

On a green iMac, that wouldn't be a problem!

~~~

Why? (-1, Troll)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400557)

Why should I run this? So that RedHat doesn't feel guilty over killing their desktop?

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

acceleriter (231439) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400593)

People make fun of Debian for being "politically pure" and slow to update . . . but it may be the last one left standing in the end.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400848)

People make fun of Debian for being "politically pure" and slow to update . . . but it may be the last one left standing in the end.

Sure. It will take them some years of discussion and thorough consideration plus a 2/3 majority vote to change their constitution to finally decide to go out of business. But then it will be really stable. :)

Only kidding of course, Debian will never sink!

screw guilt. show me the money .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400700)

[yahoo.com]
I'd rather feel guilty than broke.

ouch!

Re:Why? (1)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400778)

no. you should run this to support the notion that distirbutions can be built on the same opensource model that the kernel and gnu utilities were.

mind you, i'm switching to gentoo... so take what i say with a grain (block) of salt.

GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE'S ASS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400561)

Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Take your ass grease pills and put your helmet on
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God's love shove up you
Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Shove Up
This is Ground Control to Yoda Doll
You've really made the grade
And the papers want to know whose butts you tear
Now it's time to leave the suppository if you dare
"This is Yoda Doll to Ground Control
I'm stepping through the door
And I'm stinking in a most peculiar way
And the ass look very different today
For here am I sitting in an ass can
Far inside the butt
My face is turning blue
And there's nothing I can do
Though I'm past one hundred thousand bowels
I'm feeling very still
And I think my buttship knows which way to go
Tell my wife I ream her very much, she knows"
Ground Control to Yoda Doll
Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you hear me, Yoda Doll?
Can you....
"Here am I floating in my ass can
Far inside his Moon
My face is turning blue
And there's nothing I can do."

Re:GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE'S AS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400614)

8 steps to greasing your anus for yoda doll insertion

1) defecate. preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage and hot sauces.
2) wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns
3) prime anus with anal ease.
4) slather richly a considerable amount of vaseline or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your yoda doll or yoda soap on a rope and liberally apply it.
5) pucker your ballon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in
6) slowly rest yourself onto your yoda figurine
7) make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because that is built in.
8) gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Read slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you dont check the (desired - speaks english) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black And Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE is better than SCSI because you cant afford SCSI. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate windows but use it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who arent fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a yoda voice and saying, feel the force, padawan, feeel the foooorce, hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach, a dick half as big you will not have.

All in a days work with a yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

Re:GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE'S AS (-1, Offtopic)

Ktulu_03 (668300) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400666)

grow the fuck up man....seriously....get out of your mom's basement and get some fresh air...

Re:GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE'S AS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400696)

Suck my anus you fuckheaded human bidet.

Re:GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP DAVID BOWIE'S AS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400889)

for someone to be able to "suck" your anus, it must have a pretty weird shape to begin with. I suppose there were some experiments (in your parents basement) you shouldn't have done involving it.
But I wouldn't dare asking you what these are, for I might never find sleep after your explanations. Don't bother replying, I won't read it anyway.

Now the question is... (1)

Pivot (4465) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400567)

-where can I buy a boxed set of it? I prefer the convenience of pressed CDs..

Re:Now the question is... (1)

orionware (575549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400590)

For a mere 10 dollars I will send you some nice CD's all set to go...

Re:Now the question is... (2, Informative)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400670)

where can I buy a boxed set of it? I prefer the convenience of pressed CDs..

You won't be able to buy the boxed set, but you should be able to buy it (eventually) from the usual places.

Re:Now the question is... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400688)

> where can I buy a boxed set of it?

Simple. To purchase a boxed copy, simply mail your $699 to:

The SCO Group
355 South 520 West, Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042
USA.

Lame, stale & cliched... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400760)


Subject says it all.

Mod this down as flaimbait or troll, but it's still TRUE!

Re:Now the question is... (4, Informative)

Rik van Riel (4968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400734)

One of the reasons for the name change from "Red Hat Linux" to Fedora is that everybody can sell CDs with the distribution now.

No need to rename it to "pink tie linux" or "green sock linux" any more, every cheap CD shop selling CDs with Fedora can call it by its real name.

Re:Now the question is... (1)

LinuxHam (52232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400861)

Not sure why you're led to believe that no one else can sell RedHat Linux and say that it is the real RedHat Linux [ebay.com] .

Re:Now the question is... (1)

spicedhamhawg (718466) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400812)

Of what, greased Yoda dolls? If you find out where, please don't tell us :-)

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400573)

FP

Slashdot editors are the best. (4, Funny)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400577)

Usually, I'd just expect some vague headline, like "Fedora Core released", but our editors have gone ABOVE AND BEYOND the call of duty and attached a brief synopsis of what Fedora is and why this is an important news item. I'm glad they didn't just say "Fedora released" and call it that.

Re:Slashdot editors are the best. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400631)

Hey, there is more to life than VAX you geek.

A couple of links (5, Informative)

Mr_Icon (124425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400578)

Bittorrent Link [duke.edu]

Alternatively:
btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 350 --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-i so.torrent

A few installation screenshots [mricon.com]

Re:A couple of links (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400695)

wtf?! how is this a troll?!

Crack smoking moderator alert.

Re:A couple of links (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400896)

According to this article [crn.com] , Microsoft [microsoft.com] is offering $500,000 for help in capturing the authors of the SoBig and MSBlaster worms. Personally I think they should offer a couple of billions in refunds to those severely affected by the virus. You know in downtime costs, etc., maybe I should turn myself and fake as if I coded the viruses for the money.

Oh my bad it says bittorrent. I thought it said terrorism, as in cyberterrorism.

But... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400597)

...does it run linux?

Re:But... (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400863)

...does it run linux?

More importantly, can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these things?

Sorry, the devil made me do it

crappy desktop (4, Funny)

madHomer (2207) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400598)

I hear the desktop is pretty bad [slashdot.org] . I'll just stick with windows :)

Re:crappy desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400718)

Congratulations, you've got the technical aptitude of Matthew Szulik's 90-year-old father!

Personally, I think I'm in better shape.

Re:crappy desktop (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400832)

Congratulations, you've got the technical aptitude of Matthew Szulik's 90-year-old father!

My 90 year old father runs BSD........from the GRAVE!

Torrent links here (1, Informative)

SuDZ (450180) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400600)

The .torrent links are avaliable here:

http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/

SuDZ

I just can't... (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400604)

seem to trust anyone who goes by the handle EvilAlien. What's up with that?

Re:I just can't... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400630)

He's evil and he's an alien. What more do you need to know?

Here is what I need to know... (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400693)

Does he know Betty and Barney Hill? [bswett.com]

dead (0, Offtopic)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400609)

who cares, BSD.. er, I mean, Redhat is Dead(c)(TM)(U.S.patent pending)

Still concerns about security errata (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400611)

Good, solid base of stable kernel, glibc, gcc and XFree86 releases. Not sure how the 8-month no-backport security fix policy is going to work though; it could be a right shambles having to update all sorts of stuff and dependencies just because of hole in nano requires upgrading to the latest version etc.

Still, looks like RH's first-rate QA has been put into place (unlike in Mandrake), and hopefully they'll keep that up as the community gets more involved.

M

Re:Still concerns about security errata (5, Informative)

Rik van Riel (4968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400768)

One of the nice things about Fedora being an open source project is that participation by others (eg. the Fedora Legacy people) is encouraged.

If a lot of people want backported security fixes, there's nobody stopping them from doing the work and putting up an apt or yum repository with those packages.

(one nice feature of Fedora is that up2date now talks apt and yum, so you can get your packages from anywhere you want, not just Red Hat)

Re:Still concerns about security errata (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400878)

Thanks for the reply Rik. Yep, the Fedora Legacy sub-project looks ideal, but until it's regarded as the de facto "standard" way to get security updates, few will trust it like they could Red Hat's official updates.

There's still one thing I don't quite understand, though -- if Fedora will use new upstream packages for updates (which is undoubtedly useful in many cases and stops stagnation), won't it cause a nightmare for other package maintainers?

For example, say a security issue is found in Mozilla 1.4.1 (the Moz shipped with FC 1). If the policy is to release Mozilla 1.5 as an update, that'll require new Epiphany builds too (and other Gecko-dependant packages), which in turn could require new GNOME supporting packages.

In the end, this means that a tiny hole in Mozilla could lead to a huge amount of updates. Yes, this is a worst-case scenario, but I'm not sure how the no-backport policy will work here.

Features (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400612)

And the most amazing feature of Fedora? The fact that it's bigger than our Sun! I mean, what the *7#$ is on those 3 CDs?! Oh wait, let me guess. In true RedHat fashion, we have 3 FTP server, 7 email servers, 300 email readers, 20 instant messenger, 5 web browser, 3 versions of xBill, several hundred programs that sound like they do something interesting but don't, and 1 kitchen sink.

I mean really, what ever happened to "core system" vs. "extra software"?

Re:Features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400655)

Interesting to see somebody with a set of brains on Slashdot.

Re:Features tsarkon reports (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400681)

You know how bad you are going to get moderated for saying that?

Of course a sstem like FreeBSD shows lots of discipline, assholes and pricks like the fags on Slashcrap like lots of useless shit they dont know how to use.

They like to grease yoda dolls for insertion

8 steps to greasing your anus for yoda doll insertion

1) defecate. preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage and hot sauces.
2) wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns
3) prime anus with anal ease.
4) slather richly a considerable amount of vaseline or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your yoda doll or yoda soap on a rope and liberally apply it.
5) pucker your ballon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in
6) slowly rest yourself onto your yoda figurine
7) make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because that is built in.
8) gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Read slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you dont check the (desired - speaks english) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black And Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE is better than SCSI because you cant afford SCSI. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate windows but use it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who arent fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a yoda voice and saying, feel the force, padawan, feeel the foooorce, hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach, a dick half as big you will not have.

All in a days work with a yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

no shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400694)

Here ya go folks: Real cowboys roll their own. [linuxfromscratch.org]

Re:no shit. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400765)

No. Real masters use FreeBSD, Solaris and other real operating platforms.

Lin-sux is a kiddie OS for the kids to pretend they can use UNIX. Those getting paid to provide UNIX services to clients and companies continue to get paid and watch these kids, and greasy smelly hippies flounder around with this fucking house of cards "OS" called " GNU/Linux. I laugh at you all.

Re:Features (2, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400735)

The fact that it's bigger than our Sun!
Before saying that, you really should buy the Solaris 8 for Intel Media Pack, which comes on your choice of a DVD or around ten* CDs.

* Well, I can't remember the precise amount. Put it this way though, it's way more than three.

Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar came on three - two for the core OS and one for the development tools. Mac OS X 10.3 comes on four - three for the core OS, and again an additional one for the development environment.

Unfortunately, we're getting to a point that installing an OS will be just like it was in the eighties - "Please insert DVD #12 and click OK".

Re:Features tsarkon reports (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400793)

Funny - both [as in ONLY TWO] solaris 9 CDs images I have here zipped up are less than 600 MB.

Funny. Solaris installed on my machine by using only two CDs made from those two images.

Funny.

Re:Features (0, Troll)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400809)

I actually have a folder of Solaris 8 CDs. Only two of them are core system CDs, and they are PACKED with a *lot* more stuff than Fedora. Everything else is extra software, like GNU utilities or the (useless) CD installer. If Solaris can do it in two, why does Fedora take 3?

Re:Features (0, Troll)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400851)

Oh, and OS X packs a lot of bundled stuff (like the X11 server) that could be broken out. The only reason they aren't is that OS X is only distributed on CD. If it was distributed over the 'net, you can bet it would be down to 2 core CDs. Besides, OS X still has a lot more useful stuff than Fedora.

Re:Features (4, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400831)

You know, no one's forcing you to install any of what you listed.

Unless the Fedora installer has changed from what RedHat (free) used to have, you can pick and choose as little or as much as you want. Install just the core stuff and you won't even be asked for the 2nd and 3rd CDs.

Personally, I like it. Much easier than hunting around for online all day.

Oh, and last time I checked, many other distros are even larger (iirc, Debian was up to 5 CDs a while ago), so I don't see where the RedHat bashing comes from.

Re:Features (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400852)

You are a fag, you know that?

You've never used a ports based system, because you suck. And you sucktitude rips the fabric of spacetime with sheer mediocrity.

If you like Fedora, you suck.

Oh, last time I checked RedHat zealots like you sit down at any other UNIX and dont know what the fuck to do because they SUCK.

Re:Features (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400876)

I have no problem with extra software CDs. All I want tho, is the ability to download the core system without having to juggle 3 CDs! If I then want to install extra software, I'll go get the third CD. Do you have *any* idea how long it takes to download 3 CDs? Even on the OC3 at work, we're still talking an entire day.

Good thing (0, Redundant)

Digital Dharma (673185) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400615)

I'm sticking with Windows on the desktop =]

RedHat? Fedora? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400616)

Are they still in business?

What the... (3, Insightful)

Geekenstein (199041) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400622)

64 MB minimum for text mode, 192 minimum for graphical? When did we get so bloated? It looks like we're catching up to MS with an OS that has always had efficiency of resources as a primary strength. What gives?

Re:What the... (2, Insightful)

bluelip (123578) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400704)

64MB is _CLOSE_ to a recent Windows install?? HA!

You are still mostly free to uninstall whatever you'd like.

This isn't the only distro out there. If you need something small, try one of them that will even leave space after being put on a few floppies.

Re:What the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400823)

64M is the minimum for an install of XP. I run XP on a 500MHz box with 128M. It's about as fast as my 600MHz/256M box running RH7.3...

Obligatory Gentoo... (1)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400797)

Ha! I just booted a Gentoo system with 16MB RAM, and it had 2MB left for disk cache! I had to bring my roommate down to 64MB on her Gentoo/KDE3 machine for a few days while selling memory/ordering new stuff and she was fine, just noted that it was a bit laggier than her usual 512MB.

I did it just for shits and giggles, but building your own system from a core set of utilities can really produce a much more streamlined experience. I've always felt that the RPM-based distros were pretty bloaty, the maintainers essentially turn 'everything' on because they know someone will ask. I on the other hand don't want KDE support in WindowMaker or XMMS, or crypto and PERL in GAIM, so I turn it off.

Bit torrent! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400633)

Here [ackbar.org]

pateNTdead eyecon0meter won0won re-leased (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400638)

we had to soup up the kode base somewhat to deal with/filter the terabytes of whoreabully infactdead MiSinformation suppLIEd buy the felonious kingdumb of payper liesense softwar gangsters, & their /.puppets/cronIEs

this stuff is unbreakable, & wwworks on several (more than 3) dimensions.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator... get ready to see/hear/feel the light.

I'm more of a consistent contributor to ... (1, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400639)

the Busby, Porkpie, Toque and Bowler Projects.

I feel they give better all-around coverage, and match my moods better.

Finally!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400654)

Finally a community based distribution with the backing of a large corporation (Redhat)! The Fedora project is committed to making timely and quality releases availiable to the general public. This is the best thing to happen for the linux community.

Re:Finally!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400691)

As long as you don't use it at home. Home users should stick to M$.

One important issue... (5, Insightful)

swagr (244747) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400657)

I looked around the website and they don't really explain how important a priority stability is.
They do have a QA "project", but they also say they want to "Be on the leading edge of open source technology..."

I take it we're not talking OpenBSD/Debian-stable level of reliability. That's fine. But what's the goal? Will this stuff be /directly/ used by RedHat, or is there a "polishing" step?

Re:One important issue... (0, Flamebait)

spicedhamhawg (718466) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400894)

Debian has Testing and Unstable releases (although in my experience Debian Unstable is more stable than some distros' production releases (coughmandrakecoughcoughmandrakecough). It's my impression that Fedora is to Red Hat what Testing and Unstable are to Debian Stable. Or perhaps a better comparison might be that it is to Red Hat what Mozilla is to the branded Netscape browser.

Theme Song (5, Funny)

use_compress (627082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400665)

We're tired, we're droopy
We're all a little loopy
A Fedora Core Test Release
Is invading your PC!

New features - interesting!
The code could use some testing
That's why we are requesting
new bug reports quickly!

On our ftp site is the place where you will see
The stuff that we've been working on since 1993!
We're tired, we're droopy
We're all a little loopy
It's a Fedora Core Test Release
Come and join the fun!

-- http://lwn.net/Articles/50994/

And you know *why* it was delayed? (-1, Offtopic)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400672)

Evil Micro...errr...spammers (yeah, that's it) had DDoS'ed the site, hoping to shut it down for good.

Fortunately reason and logic prevailed :D

Some cool screenshots of Fedora (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400692)

Sweet. [ophidian.org]

I really like the polished new bluecurve!

doesn't work ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400732)

images don't show and mozilla doesn't like the
html.

Re:Some cool screenshots of Fedora (0)

nghtstr (312410) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400826)

Sorry, but your pictures are not there. They are broken links.

THIS IS A BOMB WAITING TO GO OFF! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400865)

This is a switcheroo troll. Do *not* click! Anything from ophidian.org or ackbar.org will redirect in 15 minutes to goatse.cx or worse!

Desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400701)

Good grief, fonts still need to be installed manually. I can do this, but desktop users? Why not use kfontinstall? Oh, wait.... it's gnome based....Doesn't gnome have font installers?

can't install linux on a VIDEO CAMERA (5, Funny)

positive (12069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400725)

this is a funny story. I have a new asus motherboard with firewire built in. I was running windows (just to test the hardware, mind you..) and then finally got around to trying to install linux on a separate hard disk.

linux (redhat 6.x and latest gentoo) and even freebsd refused to install! huh? never saw THAT happen before.

well, turns out that I had my firewire camera (not a real camera but a canopus firwire media bridge that looks like a FW camera) connected and all I can think of is that the funny asus bios considered THAT a 'disk' and when linux and bsd scanned the 'installable devices' via a probe, it found the camera device but wasn't smart enough to know it wasn't a disk/storage device. so the install hung hard.

removing the firewire cable allowed the installs to continue (all of them).

the very thought of linux or bsd trying to install itself on a VIDEO CAMERA just makes me laugh. imagine the design issues of that - when the system boots up, does it display titles on the video camera eyepiece? if it fscks, does it have to rewind the tape often? does it have the 1024 cylinder limit if you boot from mini-DV? ;)

just kinda funny, I guess. the new motherboard bios' are trying to abstract the media type and say 'disks are disks, no matter if ide or scsi or firewire'. ha!

Behold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400828)

The power [baetzler.de]

Sounds like... (1, Interesting)

OECD (639690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400728)

The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project. It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products.

Hmmm, what does that remind [apple.com] me of?

that's right, they ripped off apple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400788)

All good ideas are stolen from Apple.

(rolls eyes)

The difference between RHAT and Apple is that
RHAT produces open source software. Apple
produces proprietary software. A lot of
stuff produced on GNU systems winds up on
Apple. Little produced on Apple winds up on GNU.
It's a one-way street.

Example : where's the source to quicktime?

(okay, ./ editors, bitch slap this whole thread )

RedHat Sucks (-1, Troll)

LamerX (164968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400744)

Call me a troll, but I won't be using this software. I'm sick of RedHat anymore. Thier support is going away for thier Personal users. They're just this big money-groveling corporation now. They've completely dropped support to the people (like me) who've been using them for years. RedHat was built on the average joe user, and now they're taking us Joes and basically telling us to go fuck ourselves. No more updates for RedHat 7.x, the "fedora" project, which they no longer support, and now saying that Linux is only for corporate environments. Souds like all they wanna do is sell thier "corporate server" for $1200 a pop or however overpriced that crap is, and tell all the people who helped make them a successful company to go away.

Re:RedHat Sucks (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400802)

It's because there aren't enough personal users around to pay for their costs.

Oh sure, so now RedHat is evil because they're not willing to lose money on a product that you can download for free? If MS or Trolltech or anybody else charges money, it's suddenly allright? Go figure.

Re:RedHat Sucks (0)

DeckerEgo (520694) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400895)

No kidding! You're not trolling at all - I'm sick of RedHat too. I loved how they completely yanked all forms of support immediately and without much warning. Now all the servers I deployed - and there are a LOT of them - are completely stranded out in the desert of the unsupported.

Now I don't mind that they're looking to make money, that's no big deal. But then act like SuSE: sell the CD's, give away the previous release for free. Charge more for the professional. But don't completely DELETE AN ENTIRE PRODUCT LINE AND LEAVE YOUR USER BASE STRANDED. Move towards a SuSE model - then to an Enterprise/community model - but don't think it's as easy as deleting a file to remove a distro.

Good stuff. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400746)

You know, some people might think that RedHat sucks, but I don't think it's bad at all. I feel the move to a more community-based Linux distribution -- which can leverage some of RedHat's good features and do away with some of their bad characteristics -- is a really good thing.

I'm not done complaining about EOL yet (1)

g_bit (253703) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400752)

We haven't caught up to how much you guys bitched when Microsoft declared EOL on Windows NT.

You're not allowed to post a positive story about RedShat until we do!

Praise Jebus! (-1, Redundant)

brutalbits (710974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400801)

I for one welcome our new fedora wearing overlords!

um.. (1)

hangareighteen (31788) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400817)

The goal of the Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software.
I thought we were already doing that? Or at least, isn't Debian already doing that? Is there a more lofty goal here I'm missing?

best feature: up2date does apt and yum! (3, Interesting)

stephenb (18235) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400835)

From the release notes:
The Red Hat Update Agent (up2date) now supports installing packages from apt and yum repositories as well as local directories. This includes dependency solving and obsoletes handling. Additional repositories can be configured in the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file.
Cool!

Yarrow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400855)

Bruce Schneier's true-random number generator? Good, we needed some updated code for that, but it doesn't seem all that significant...

silly, but not... (4, Interesting)

gid13 (620803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400856)

Although this was silly of me in a certain sense, I originally interpreted "download options include bittorrent and..." to mean that the web browser in this release would include a bittorrent client. And then the obvious occurred to me that they just meant you could use torrents to download the iso. But really... It would be VERY nice to have an integrated torrent client. Mozilla Firebird people, are you listening? Just because you're the best browser around doesn't mean you shouldn't implement this. :)

corepirate nazi felon bounty hunter scam backfires (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400866)

folks have have been calling in from all over the wwworld, tryng to turn in their frIEnds, neighbors, family members, & even their children. manIE cullame their kids are sick music thIEves, so they must have some kind of virus. some even try to cullame that because their kids once had a virus, they are so-called so-big virus writers. they all waNT to get their bouNTy monIE immediately.

they seem to almost understand when we have to tell them that it's all just another ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead scam, & that the only wons who are going to get anything, are the stock markup frauds whoare MiSinforming US to begin with.

this is gooing to be a hard won to sorte out, but the pateNTdead eyecon0meter kode is easily up to the task.

you know who to consult with/trust in?

I'm a switcher... (2, Insightful)

lww (323019) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400869)

to debian from RH8/9 servers. At the risk of inviting religous controversy, if I'm going to use a non-sponsored distro, I'd rather use one with more of a proven record as a successful community driven project.

Plus, let's face it, apt-get is apt-goodness.

bittorent / proxy (1)

desau (539417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400872)

A little off topic.. but here goes: Does anyone know if there's a bittorent client that supports proxies (either http or socks)?

VNC installation (4, Interesting)

petard (117521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400875)

Installation via VNC is now supported. To initiate a VNC-based installation, pass vnc as a boot-time option. If necessary, a password can be set by adding "vncpassword=<password>" to the boot-time options. The VNC display will be "<host>:1", where <host> is the hostname or IP address of the system installing Fedora Core.

It is also possible for the Fedora Core installation program to initiate a connection to a listening VNC client. This is done by using the vncconnect boot-time option[...]

That's really cool, and more useful than it sounds... I was looking for just this feature several months ago when installing RH on a laptop whose video card was supported by XFree but for some reason wouldn't work with the graphical installer. (Tweaks were required for the configuration file.) I know there's a text-based installer as well, but it's so much easier to select packages on the GUI install. It sounds like this will be a nice successor to RH 9.

the fedora core-a (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400888)

who cares....

Fedora vs. RedHat, and RHCE (5, Insightful)

Doc Hopper (59070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7400897)

My interpretation of their move is this:

1. They weren't making money on commercial RedHat releases. There are a few zealots like myself that run down to CompUSA (or whatever) to grab the latest release when it hits the shelves, but it was mostly to show our support for the company.

2. There is a lot of profit to be made in "support" in boxed product sales, and the enormous expense of Windows server licenses validate this proposition. They just need to be priced considerably below Windows support levels to compete.

3. Most desktop users want a bleeding-edge distribution so they can run the latest games and apps, and RedHat didn't want the tech support headaches and expense.

I think they just looked around at the playing field, saw that they could do little or nothing to prevent people from repackaging their product and selling it for a couple of bucks a CD, saw the numbers from their standard box sales versus the impressive revenue from comparatively few Enterprise Linux sales, and said "screw it, it's not worth our money to try to sell what everybody gets for free anyway".

Sad fact of life, that. Not enough freaks like me that like to buy the boxed set, I guess.

But I'm excited that Fedora is coming out with a release hot on the heels of the end-of-life announcements on RedHat boxed products. I think they'll find that the flexibility afforded them by a more open development model for their distribution, ala Mozilla.org, will help keep their server products competitive and "feed" the Advanced Server distribution with good ideas.

It remains to be seen how well it will take off, though... an awful lot of "mindshare" of hard-core Linux geeks is already invested in other distributions. As for me, I think they are doing it right, and although I'm certain they'll be off for 4-6 months of a rocky start, within a year they'll have a pretty solid volunteer contribution effort and a distribution that finally keeps up with cutting-edge features of other distributions. They've been behind the curve a long time (ugh "up2date" sucked vs. apt-get upgrade) on keeping their distro fresh; it is nice to see they've moved to a method that, perhaps, can keep it more current.

I wonder how they plan to handle RHCE's? I plan on taking the exam as soon as I finish reviewing for it, but I can't help but wonder if this move to Fedora on the desktop means that soon-to-be prospective RHCE's will no longer be able to just download the latest Redhat release and go, or if they'll need some special "student edition" of their Enterprise Linux product?

Boycott Redhat! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7400898)

After redhat decided to kill its desktop and preach to the devil (Microsoft), I can not use it ever again. Even before they killed it, they used the terrible versions of gnome (before it became usable in 2.2/4), had bad hardware support (the only distro that didn't detect everything), and not freindly at all to the home user,

I urge EVERYONE who has redhat (desktop or server) to DUMP it now.

Please support Pro desktop Distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Lindows, Lycoris, Ark, JAMD, and even gentoo (yes, even though it takes ages to install, it has really comprehensive documentation and freindly forums, Even though I don't use gentoo any more its worth trying out to learn about the innards of Linux).

Redhat dosen't deserve its hat, burn your hats. Other distros are aiming for the desktop, and recent releases work on my most obscurest hardware and are easier to use that before. If you haven't tried the wonders of KDE 3.1.4, Gnome 2.4, OpenOffice 1.1 and mplayer 0.92 then you don't know what your missing (and wine fills in the few missing gaps that are soon due to be filled)

We don't need Redhat, the great thing about opensource is the you have a Choice. Let Redhat burn in hell.
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