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New Graphics Company, With Working Cards

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the clever-of-them-to-have-actual-cards dept.

Graphics 461

gladbach writes "Toms Hardware has in their hands an actual working card, unlike other vaporware cardmakers *cough* bitboys *cough*... To quote Toms: 'A new player dares enters the graphics card market that ATi and Nvidia have dominated for so long. XGI (eXtreme Graphics Innovation), based in Taiwan of course, comes at the market leaders with a line of cards for a whole lot less money. We look at XGI's product range, and offer results of a beta model from XGIs top model Volari Duo V8 Ultra.'"

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1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429398)

Prost Frist?

I smell the rotting corpse of Aureal Vortex (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429399)

Yeah, looks great and you have hype on your side, but can we make it a goal to stay in business for more than 3 months so I can get drivers for it 3 years down the line?

Re: No drivers (0)

hendridm (302246) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429434)

Not to worry, they don't post drivers on their web site anyway :P

Re:I smell the rotting corpse of Aureal Vortex (2, Insightful)

stone2020 (123807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429453)

It helps if your competitors don't sue you out of business like Creative did to Aureal.

Re:I smell the rotting corpse of Aureal Vortex (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429472)

They lost [tech-report.com] that suit, but I can understand that it may have destroyed them financially.

Vortex drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429505)

http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/openvortex/

Re:Vortex drivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429601)

Yippee, thanks. I thought their download area [nongnu.org] was especially useful. Any chance they'll be Windows drivers? I doubt it.

first postish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429403)

not bloody likely

GNAA rox3rz! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429405)

The GNAA rapes all you gay niggahs! white power, KKK mutha fucker!

Re:GNAA rox3rz! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429455)

Prince Charles is bisexual - it's official now.

XGI = SIS + Trident (0, Troll)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429407)


Oh boy, prepare for slow, buggy drivers, hardware incompatibilities, and games that will just won't support the card anyways.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429433)

With PR support from Tomshardware... how appropriate.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (3, Informative)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429477)

Not according to their corporate strategy! corporate strategy [tomshardware.com] !

It is good to see the graphics chip market is not too much of a closed shop for any new companies to enter. I would like to know how they plan on getting around the many recent patented methods nVIDA and ATI share with each other, will the SiS aspect get around this? I am not anexpert, please enlighten me!

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (2, Insightful)

sirsampson (48252) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429487)

this is different from ati how?

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (1)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429519)


I personally agree with you here, no matter what slight advantange ATI cards currently get in the latest benchmarks, NVidia's drivers are simply better, more stable, etc.
I expect Nvidia and ATI to leapfrog back and forth with their latest cards stealing the benchmark king title from eachother, but I don't expect ATI to ever make drivers I like as much as Nvidia, so I will continue to buy Nvidia's cards.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (1)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429638)

Ive run ATI's 9800 All In Wonder and have no trouble *at all* with drivers or stability.

While people have reportedly had problems in the past, Ive got to tell you, there is *nothing* wron w/ ATI.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (1)

Gherald (682277) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429675)

Correct, but idiots will still be spewing the "ATI has driver problems" myth for years to come.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (2, Insightful)

HexRei (515117) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429496)

Card not supported? Isn't that what an API like Directx is for, so that developers don't have to write support for the cards directly into their games?

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (1)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429536)


You would think, until "Card X" comes along and only implements 95% of DirectX 9.0, but claims they implemented it all, and some certain feature used by only a couple games decides to make those games randomly crash, but only on "Card X"
Matrox and S3 cards always seemed to work like that to me in the past.

Re:XGI = SIS + Trident (1)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429522)

anyone knows about linux drivers???

Let there be Linux support (3, Insightful)

kauttapiste (633236) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429408)

Well if they provide good support for X and OpenGL and maybe even with open source drivers, I'll be buying one instead of that NVidia I was planning to get soon.

Re:Let there be Linux support (2, Interesting)

reaperbean (453437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429649)

Well according to Linux Hardware [linuxhardware.org] there will be XGI provided Linux drivers in a few months!

interesting (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429413)

thats pretty nice, hope they bring down prices... looks like their best will be priced at around $300. if it isn't a total flop, ATI and nvidia might face some competition. i'd sure like to get a high performance card for 300 or 350, and a nice midrange for around 100... we'll see. maybe a midrange card on sale might even go for $70. i've seen some 5600s @ $90, it could go down more

this is important because... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429422)

Anybody feel like clueing me in on how this is even remotely interesting? I didn't subscribe to read this shit.

Aren't you forgetting someone? (5, Informative)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429423)

A new player dares enters the graphics card market that ATi and Nvidia have dominated for so long
What about Matrox [matrox.com] , who've been dominating the multiple monitor graphics card market for years?

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429470)

Oh man, now prepare for FPS boys, you used the evil Matrox word ;-)

They dominate scientific market too... Especially Medical imaging...

Perhelia is a hit amongst pro gfx people...

But none of them will let you play Quake III in 500 fps

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (1)

Uerige (206572) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429494)

Yes, Matrox have been there for a long time now. I always bought their cards, they were simply superior. Always a little behind in terms of performance, though. The last one of their cards that I bought was a G400. Why? All of the newer cards don't have linux/X11 support, none planned. It's a shame, because their G400 drivers were very good, and there is no other graphics hardware with good linux drivers. I think I can say that because my new card is an NVidia. Oh my god I am ranting again.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (2, Interesting)

Simon Lyngshede (623138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429603)

Some of the newer cards does have Linux driver, but not as good as the G400 drivers. Matrox should have keept doing what they did right with the G400 series. Working 3D, Dualhead and TVout, oh and the driver was platform independent (Yes XFree86 allows platform independent drivers).

If my G400 dies I wouldn't know what to buy, there are no videocard this good around anymore. The drivers are nothing short of excellent.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (1)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429621)

Doubly-so since you can get the direct output drivers with mplayer, which make watching videos smooth as silk even on slower machines.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429500)

The difference is that XGI makes dirt cheap slow parts, while Matrox makes ridiclously expensive slow parts.

Seriously: it sounds like Matrox is going down the tubes. They recently downgraded their card from DX9 to DX8 and have been having major problems getting new driver releases out and dealing with game compatibility. There might be a handful of 2D applications that need Matrox cards, but it's not a good general purpose solution nor anything you should even try for gaming.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (4, Interesting)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429502)



I personally find NVidia's TwinView to work a lot better, if you have a card with two outputs, which most of the GF4s and higher seem to have now.

We might as well ask about S3 [diamondmm.com] if we're asking about Matrox. Remember that great card they had a while back?

The best we can hope for is a pricewar I think. Cheaper Nvidia or ATI cards is always better.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (1)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429537)

Matrox? I haven't seen a Matrox card in action for years. Nvidia's TwinView seems to be dominating that segment now.

At least for people who care about performance, anyway.

Re:Aren't you forgetting someone? (2, Informative)

reaperbean (453437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429635)

Another company, S3, is back with a new line of cards here [s3graphics.com] . They are also looking to break into the market this quarter.

Tom's Hardware (5, Funny)

stone2020 (123807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429425)

Did Slashdot just discover Tom's Hardware this week?

Re:Tom's Hardware (4, Funny)

sirsampson (48252) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429436)

Well, seems as though slashdot doesn't even know about slashdot. Just look at all the dupe stories.

Re:Tom's Hardware (1)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429443)

Did Slashdot just discover Tom's Hardware this week?
No [slashdot.org] .

Re:Tom's Hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429511)

No, but Tom just discovered CmdrTaco's PayPal account.

Re:Tom's Hardware (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429574)

Or his cum-encrusted lips.

Re:Tom's Hardware (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429611)

I'm new to Slashdot and this is something I must ask. Why are people bashing the editors like that? I mean the man is married, for chrissakes.

pateNTdead eyecon0meter kode for working clods? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429429)

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crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429456)

I don't get this troll. Can we retire it to the archives, please? I like the style of the Macintosh "20 minutes to copy a file" troll better, and it lures many more people in.

Thanks,
mgmt.

won 'man's' p00pIE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429482)

is yet another's mynuts won: i don't get it.

thanks,

ppr team

mynuts won: another storIE about almost nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429463)

sum of what the corepirate nazi execrable, &/or their very owned /.puppets have to offer?

lookout bullow. tell 'em robbIE?

Variety, Nvidia and 3dfx (5, Insightful)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429430)

I remember when Nvidia came into big production, and a lot of us Voodoo owners were skeptical at first that anyone could oppose the great Voodoo cards from 3dfx (the same cardies that revolutionized how we all play Quake). Smart business policy, quality hardware and lots of blood, sweat and tears have pushed Nvidia to where it is today. As a gamer, I welcome any new blood to the table, because it just means that the race for the mother of all graphics suites is getting that much more interesting... and the road is shorter when the competition is fierce!

Competition is the mother of invention, if necessity can't possibly be. :)

Seems that XGI is going after some odd designs, using the fabled 3dfx dual chip design as a way to get more bang for the buck. It's not a solution, as Tom's Hardware reveals that this results in more problems. The problem? Half-norm memory usage. *ouch*!

Still, this is the first line for XGI. I'm sure we'll see a lot more from them, if they don't go broke.

Re:Variety, Nvidia and 3dfx (1)

sirsampson (48252) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429462)

Ahh, yes, price wars :) One can only hope.

Re:Variety, Nvidia and 3dfx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429529)

3dfx suxxored. Heather has two mommies.

Re:Variety, Nvidia and 3dfx (2, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429622)

I agree with most of that. I'm not sure the memory thing is an issue at the moment though - memory is dirt cheap. Huge chips are more than 2x the cost of smaller ones, for only 1.5x the transistor count...

I dunno. Could be a shrewd move, could be a monumental screwup :-)

Simon.

Drivers (5, Insightful)

Indio_do_Xingu (675644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429438)

The most difficult thing is to release good drivers. Until then, I will wait to see how they really perform.

GL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429498)

do they even do opengl, on the first pages of the article, no mention of it.

CUM IN MY BOTHOLE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429439)

8==============D(_(_) <---Taco's ass

ROFFLE#@$

Re:CUM IN MY BOTHOLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429535)

the above post is a great one liner!

XGI's Press Release (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429444)

Yahoo News has a copy of XGI's pres release [yahoo.com] announcing the Volari. Includes a picture!

I figured XGI was a young company (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429524)

..but that's just ridiculous.

Re:XGI's Press Release (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429525)

Don't click the link. It's a gay porn site.

MOD PARENT DOWN - BOY PORN (-1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429530)

boy porn redirection

Don't click link unless you like pre-teen porn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429541)


Nasty!

warning - child porn redirect (-1, Offtopic)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429550)

sometimes an AC posting just isn't enough

Must be an FBI agent with modpoints today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429551)

Cause I can't figure out who the heck else would have modded that up. "Includes a picture" very funny..

Re:XGI's Press Release (-1, Offtopic)

layersection (563327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429559)

This is why AC posting is staying OFF for me. Someone delete this crap.

Re:XGI's Press Release (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429666)

Haha, nice work. That was hilarious.

Relief thy name is XGI (4, Insightful)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429447)

From the article: Of course, there are no official comments on who is pulling the strings, but it seems clear that XGI is on solid financial ground.

And that is all I really wanted to hear. Thank goodness they won't be a fly-by-night company. This is a very welcome addition to the market. Lets also hope that they either make linux drivers or open the arch so developers can do so.

The great thing about new companies with financial legs to stand on is that they can learn from the mistakes of others without having to make them themselves as well as learn from the things done right by other companies.

I for one welcome our future (their mission statement is to be #1 by 2007) GPU overlords!

Another nail in the coffin for SGI (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429452)

Commodity hardware again blows SGI away. No suprise here. I was recently given an SGI octane2 and the thing was so shitty. I couldn't even get windows to install on it so I beat the fucking thing and put it in the trash. Their shit doesn't even work right let alone be able to compete in the graphics business. Anyways, way to go XGI, even if your name reminds me of a shoddy american company.

Re:Another nail in the coffin for SGI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429467)

YOU FUCKING RETARD!

SGI does not run Windows! It runs IRIX. Not every motherfucking computer in the universe runs Windows! In fact, all the best computers run something else than Windows, so suck it up and learn something before you come here with us professionals and start spouting crap like that!

Fucking 'tard.

Re:Another nail in the coffin for SGI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429532)

Well, maybe not a recent version of Windows [sgi.com] anyway.

Dont feed the trolls (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429533)

Of course he knows it runs IRIX...

Going from the beginning to where nVidia failed (5, Insightful)

W2k (540424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429469)

I don't foresee this going very well for XGI. Firstly, look at the cards. Dual chips, non-shared memory? 256 megs on the card, only 128 available because the chips can't share. "Wasting" 128 megs might be acceptable, considering the card is still pretty cheap, but how about when high-end cards start coming with 512 MB or more? If XGI start putting 1024 MB of memory on their cards they are going to see any advantages their cards may have in pricing go bye-bye pretty quickly. Remember, going for quantity rather than quality was what killed 3dfx. How quickly some people forget :)

Second problem is that due to the size of the card, it's not gonna fit in smaller form-factor PC's. Why they put such a huge HS on the back of the card, where there's usually not much space, versus just putting more cooling on the front of the card, where high-end users (of nVidia cards, anyway) are already accustomed to leaving a PCI slot open to make room, is beyond me.

Those two big fans they've stuck on their reference board sure aren't going help keep noise levels down, either. My (reference) Radeon 9800 Pro still beats the crap out of most cards on the market today, and it's only got a small HSF for the chipset and nothing on the memory chips. And I was still able to OC it quite a bit. If nVidia's and XGI's chips really require as much cooling as manufacturers stick on them, even on "reference" boards, they must be very inefficient chips indeed. These things aside, it's always nice to see more competition in the graphics chipset business, hopefully prices might come down a bit as a result if ATi and/or nVidia see XGI as a real contenter, rather than a wannabe like Matrox (though I don't know if they're even at the "wannabe" level any longer, considering how poor their chips are nowadays).

Re:Going from the beginning to where nVidia failed (0)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429523)

> Dual chips...
I guess they managed to steal some VSA100 chips from the ashes of 3Dfx ;)

Re:Going from the beginning to where nVidia failed (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429628)

"Second problem is that due to the size of the card, it's not gonna fit in smaller form-factor PC's. Why they put such a huge HS on the back of the card, where there's usually not much space, versus just putting more cooling on the front of the card, where high-end users (of nVidia cards, anyway) are already accustomed to leaving a PCI slot open to make room, is beyond me."

It's because they have half of the RAM on the back of the cards as well, and since it's DDR2 (which, right now, is quite cheap since no one had really been using the stockpile that NVIDIA created with the NV30 because GDDR3 is on the horizon), it requires cooling on the RAM. NVIDIA is doing the same thing with their 5700 Ultra reference design. However, they have a rather small backplate. Pretty nice.

Looking at the Volari card now, it doesn't seem that much bigger than the 5700 Ultra engineering sample or the GF4 Ti4600 engineering sample I have sitting around. Engineering samples are generally 2-3 inches longer than their retail counterparts because of extra capacitors on the cards (why those capacitors are there, I don't know, but they most certainly are).

XGI isn't new, its trident and Xabre (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429471)

XGI is just Trident with a new name, and Xabre added in

From webpage:

'Founded in May of 2003 and headquartered in Taipei, Taiwan, XGI pulls from a deep reservoir of engineering and design talent stemming from its acquisitions of Trident Microsystems, and Silicon Integrated Systems' graphics divisions.'

Although it says Taipei, most of the hard core engineers are in san jose, in the old trident building, right across from Fry's electronics. Go say hi, they're a nice bunch

Whoa!! (5, Funny)

garglblaster (459708) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429481)

..XGIs top model Volari Duo V8 Ultra

WOW!!

but - wait a minute - guess I'll wait for the Volari Quattro Triplex V12 Turbo GTI XXL
_ThAT'll be a nice graphics card!

Re:Whoa!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429671)

you're not going to get the Type-R model??

Way Offtopic: BSA ads (-1, Offtopic)

netsharc (195805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429488)

Anyone getting the BSA ads ("Seen any pirates on the seas lately? Report them to us! Arr!") on Tom's Hardware site, or is it just me? It looks like a new aggressive campaing from the BSA. I wonder what rationale there is that lead them to choose the hardware enthusiasts as their target market.

Re:Way Offtopic: BSA ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429557)

Because any techie will see way more software piracy than the man on the street.

The biggest outlet for "institutional" piracy are small hardware vendors. I kinda doubt the BSA wants to raid a LAN Party, and instead are looking for a ratfink to call out a shop for using pirate Windows holograms or whatever.

Re:Way Offtopic: BSA ads (0, Offtopic)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429616)

I've been getting BSA ads. In fact, I get e-mails from my Monster.com job search agent (heh heh heh, anyone wanna offer a geek a telecommuting job? ;) with banner ads, and as often as not, they advertise the BSA. Makes me that much more excited about all of the signs that are pointing to near-critical-mass adoption of open-source software by corporations and governments.

Drivers? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429491)

Having not RTFA'd in the finest /. tradition, does anyone know if they are Linux compatable for 2d or have 3d drivers available?

Quit bashing bitboys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429493)

Bitboys don't want to release a half-assed card. They want their card so perfect that's it's a quantum leap in the industry. Yet, NVidia and ATI keep developing their cards at an increasing pace, so the Bitboys must keep up and extend their platform all the time. That's why they haven't released anything.

Good Marketing Feature... (-1, Redundant)

c_oflynn (649487) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429495)

The board only uses half of the installed RAM as it shares it.

So they can claim 256 MB of RAM, even though its effectively 128 MB of RAM...

Arh! (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429503)

external video bridge chip SIS301 MV, which is also responsible for the TV output

Why oh why do companies insist on using SiS's chips for TV out! It's horrible!! VIA used them on the Epia boards, and it stinks! Great little boards don't get me wrong, but it's TV out is nasty. Now these guys. Will the pain never end??!

[/sis rant]

But good luck to them :) Competition is good!

Re:Arh! (1)

Bob of Dole (453013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429526)

Maybe because they ARE SiS?

Re:Arh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429576)

SiS's chipsets are great, and even their TV-out chips can't stink nearly as bad as anything VIA touches. That company is like a digital plague of locusts.

Re:Arh! (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429660)

SiS's chipsets are great, and even their TV-out chips can't stink nearly as bad as anything VIA touches

Hello from Earth.

Watching a DVD through SiS's TV out chip is more painful than watching it through mplayers libaa output.

I used to own a Savage 3D .. so I should know :)

fooey on Tom's (-1, Offtopic)

Quickening (15069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429513)

After their Athlon64 fiasco, a whole article that doesn't even mention support for other OS's?! losers.

Re:fooey on Tom's (1)

DataPath (1111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429608)

What was the athlon64 fiasco? I must've blinked.

Ehh... best of luck to them, but.... (1, Interesting)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429520)

IMHO, don't expect a miracle. Don't forget, long-standing, legitimate graphics card makers (such as Matrox, or years ago - Hercules) all tried to get into the high-end 3D type accelerator card market and failed miserably. Even lately, you hear some rumbling coming from Matrox every once in a while about some new "killer 3D card", and it always turns out to effectively mean nothing.

ATI and nVidia being the only 2 real competitors in the 3D gaming card market isn't such a horrible thing. (Yes, things would be MUCH worse if we only had ONE major player.) As long as there are two, it keeps innovation and competition alive between them - and it reduces the support headaches for software developers.

It wasn't THAT long ago, you almost had to select your 3D card purchase based on how much you liked the "special edition" titles bundled in the box - because you never knew how many future games would actually be written to support the thing! (I recall buying a Matrox Mystique like this, for example. It came with a Mystique-accelerated version of MechWarrior and a few other decent games - but I barely found anything else that supported it afterwards.)

The old line about "too many cooks spoiling the soup" holds true for too many competing brands on the video card marketplace, too.

open GL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429527)

not mentioned on the first pages of the article...

Anyone Else notice... (0, Flamebait)

Ceadda (625501) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429552)

The logo for their cards looks just like an nvidia logo, tilted sideways a few degrees, with a blue top, and the Cingular wireless guy stamped on the bottom in red? They couldnt even come up with their own logo so they borrowed from everyone else? This says a lot for their business model...

AnandTech article also (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429578)

AnandTech [anandtech.com] also has an article [anandtech.com] about the new XGI Volari.

It has an interesting new perspective.

A quick summary of the article for Linux users (4, Informative)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429581)

OpenGL performance in Quake 3 [tomshardware.com] and Enemy Territory [tomshardware.com] on these boards roughly matches that of a comparably priced GeForce FX 5600.

Drivers haven't been tested, but LinuxHardware reports [linuxhardware.org] that Linux drivres will be available in Within the first quarter of next year. Let's just hope it doesn't suck suck and that there are some real perks of running an XGi over a GFFX5600.

Re:A quick summary of the article for Linux users (1)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429595)

Er, let's just hope they don't suck as much as my editing/grammar skills.

Correction: Drivers haven't been tested, but LinuxHardware reports that Linux drivers will be available in within the first quarter of next year. Let's just hope they don't suck and that there are some real perks of running an XGi over a GFFX5600.

Graphs and statistics (2, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429586)

Interesting that if you look at the graphs, the blue line doesn't appear to do that well (mid-table stuff) but reading the text, it's currently only running at 450MHz not the specced 500MHz and with beta-level drivers.

Multiply its figures by (at least) 500/450 and they look a lot better - normally just (really just, indistinguishably so) behind the leaders...

Cheaper, huh ? About time too :-)

Simon

It'll take someone very old to remember this... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429590)

I keep on having flashbacks of Ricardo Montablan (of 'Fantasy Island' fame, as well as his role as Khan in Star Trek) singing 'Volare' on a TV commercial in the mid-1970s for the Chrysler/Plymouth car of the same name.

It was a big honking V8 that they made in woody wagon versions as well. My idiot parents bought one. Yeesh.

Anyway, the benchmarks on this card suck ass. The card is dead last in most things, and when it isn't, it has quality issues. I am not seeing a first generation winner here. I hope they don't fold up after this iteration of their cards.

Re:It'll take someone very old to remember this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429620)

having flashbacks of Ricardo Montablan (of 'Fantasy Island' fame, as well as his role as Khan in Star Trek) singing 'Volare'

Ponce.

eXtreme (1)

Rethcir (680121) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429594)

They should be named EGI, not XGI... I'm automatically boycotting them for using that marketing cliche "eXtreme." If I had a gun with one bullet and could kill anyone I could, it would be the first ad wizard who thought of using that buzzword.

Why???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429596)

Why did XGI even release their VERY beta card and drivers to Toms hardware. The general response to this is that "This card sux!" One to two months away?? These stats dont mean anything. One to two months is a long time in which XGI can work their kinks out and get a very decent card out there for much less than ati or radeon

clock ticking DOWn on corepirate nazi felons? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429597)

as the extent fo the felonious payper liesense softwar gangster stock markup FraUD execrable scammage becomes known, they scurrIE LIEk fattened rats, to change their gooed names/?merge?/deny everything.

this is nothing new (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429632)

for those of us who were not encouraged to ignore/deny recent history:

phonIE corepirate nazi shell/shill scams have been going on since we allowed them to start printing up their own phonIE monIE, that they then, sell to US, besides overcharging US for their infactdead hostage based 'products'.

it didn't work then, or now, excepting for a handful of greed/fear/ego based felons, who are their owned reward anyway. tell 'em robbIE?

Good luck to them. (1)

mrsev (664367) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429625)

From the review I think their benchmarks are great. For a first card to be scoring so highly against Nvidia and ATI is pretty amazing.

This should realy hot things up in the GPU market.... cheaper faster cards!

anybody see that bsa-pinocchio add? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7429644)

Those bsa folks crack me up. Their by-line is "Promoting a safe and legal digital world" by encouraging everyone to be a ratfink and mole... pretty high moral standards.

If you read the article.... (2, Interesting)

ewhenn (647989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429646)

... and looked at the results, some were abysmal. Yes, this is still a ref. board, but it seems to run a game great for the price, or horrible for the price. Wolf ET is based on the Quake3 engine, yet Q3 is dramatically higher than Wolf ET (this card came in LAST place in Wolf ET), and this is wiht games based on the same engine. Sorry, I would rather shell out 175$ for a car that will consistantly perform decent across the whole spectrum, than pay 300$ for a card that is sometimes great and sometimes sucks.

Trident? (0, Flamebait)

Cyno (85911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7429679)

If this is Trident X11 support is going to suck for these cards. I have a Trident CyberBlade in my laptop that sucks ass. Avoid these unless you only use Windows.
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