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iTunes Music Store - 'Coolest Invention of 2003'

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the mercurial-jobs dept.

Music 370

Pingsmoth writes "Time Magazine has just named the iTunes Music Store as their Top Coolest Invention of 2003. Also among this year's favorites are 'fish-skin bikinis, a new love drug, the car that parks itself, and the invisible man'."

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Invention ? (4, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433035)

Making some digital media available online is not new [gnuart.net] .
I remember having the possibility to purchase media online long before this.
Now, if, of course, having these integrated in iTunes is cool, I somehow doubt it is that "cutting edge" (even though I am a Mac enthusiast and I love OSX).

Re:Invention ? (4, Insightful)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433111)

The way the store is presented, easy and powerfull is the invention they are talking about; Making it easy to use for everybody

Re:Invention ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433158)

Someone sounds like they work in the pantent office.

Seriously, though. Get your head out of your ass.

Re:Invention ? (1)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433227)

Who exactly is everybody. I run Linux and I can't use this store. I also heard the windows client sucked pretty much breaking other programs and what not. It isn't exactly "windows native looking" either. It's also only works with Ipod. and altough all mac users have ipods other people might have something else.

It pretty much seems like a store where you can only wear apple boots or you can come in at all.

Re:Invention ? (1)

mcpkaaos (449561) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433150)

What's even more sad is that a piece of entertainment software, regardless of originality, would ever be ranked as the coolest invention. I know it's been slow since the bust, but man o' man.

Re:Invention ? (3, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433157)

It may not be new, but iTunes was the first one that worked. Say what you will about originality, in the end, it's not worth a hoot if nobody uses your product.

The widget is # one... (1)

DMCBOSTON (714393) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433298)

...according to a poll on technical innovation website T3.co.uk. The story is in this Ananova article [ananova.com] describing just how vital it is.

Gnome 2.6 to be released soon, still crap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433036)

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of settings.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx, netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we will tell you to fuck off and go back to Windows or KDE.

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

Gnome allows mac like operation.
x86 compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy the whole macbar concept. Not to even mention their auto apply implementation is broken and dangerous! Plus if they did actually come anywhere close to copying the Mac the C&D letters would come flying up their asses.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

Second post!! (-1, Redundant)

Troll_Rex (722939) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433037)

I fail it. I know.

Burning AAC audio files to disc (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433040)

Since upgrading to panther on 3 machines I've found I can no longer burn iTMS AAC files to disc as audio discs as I could on jaguar. This has happened across my eMac, iBook 800 and my father's iMac. Is this another goddamned restriction by Apple?

Re:Burning AAC audio files to disc (1, Funny)

displaced80 (660282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433053)

In the words of Our Mighty Insectoid Overlord, Bugzilla:

WORKSFORME

Re:Burning AAC audio files to disc (-1, Redundant)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433056)

You should be using gentoo anyway

Other cool things (0, Informative)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433041)

Camera phones: This has lead to people being arrested for taking photos up girls skirts

Robo Lobster: For clearing mines

Robo Cat: Sits there and does cat like things with all the mess

Rus

Hardly an Invention (2, Insightful)

locarecords.com (601843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433042)

..

Much as I think Apple have created an amazing proof of concept in the Apple Music Store I am not convinced it qualifies as an invention.. Downloading music off the internet is not new and paying for it is not new either... Now if they radically opened up the distribution to bypass the majors... now that would be rather revolutionary... but we'll have to see how far they take it..

Re:Hardly an Invention (0, Redundant)

EinarH (583836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433080)

Now if they radically opened up the distribution to bypass the majors... now that would be rather revolutionary...
It's called Magnatunes [magnatunes.com] .

-No DRM. MP3
-Try before you buy
-Artists get 50% of the purchase price, artists keep the rights to their music.
-No RIAA connections.

Re:Hardly an Invention (4, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433201)

-No DRM. MP3
-Try before you buy
-Artists get 50% of the purchase price, artists keep the rights to their music.
-No RIAA connections.
-No inventory.

One unknown record label that seems to be a refuge for bands that aren't good enough for the big time isn't gonna cut it. Imagine a grocery store that only carried generic house-brand items. Wouldn't be very popular or successful, would it.

iTMS is successful because they've made the proper deals with the right product sources, much like any other successful retailer has to do.

Re:Hardly an Invention (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433247)

Being good has absolutely nothing to do with whether the major labels sign an artist or not. Case in point: Britney Spears, InSync, etc. ad naseum.

Re:Hardly an Invention (0)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433267)

Being good has absolutely nothing to do with whether the major labels sign an artist or not. Case in point: Britney Spears, InSync, etc. ad naseum.
Record labels are in business to make money. The bigger labels sign good musicians (Robert Randolph, etc.) and good entertainers (Britney, etc.) because they know they'll make money.

What's left after no one else wants them is picked up by minor labels, if at all. Just because you can make music doesn't mean you can make listen-able or entertaining music.

Re:Hardly an Invention (4, Insightful)

Talez (468021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433140)

Much as I think Apple have created an amazing proof of concept in the Apple Music Store I am not convinced it qualifies as an invention.. Downloading music off the internet is not new and paying for it is not new either...

It's not that they did it. It's that they did it RIGHT. It's an elegant solution which people actually enjoy throwing money at.

Now if they radically opened up the distribution to bypass the majors... now that would be rather revolutionary... but we'll have to see how far they take it..

Hello, we're Apple and we want to sell your music [gnutellanews.com]

Re:Hardly an Invention (0, Insightful)

hype7 (239530) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433176)

It's not that they did it. It's that they did it RIGHT. It's an elegant solution which people actually enjoy throwing money at.


Plus, Apple is cool [wired.com] , and Time wanted somebody cool at the top I guess.

-- james

Slow Year (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433043)

Wow, talk about a slow year for inventions.

What, not the Segway? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433044)

I mean, the amount of technology that went into that thing rivals the scientific output of the smaller industrialized nations. Gyros that keep you from tipping over, flywheels that recharge the battery when slowing down, even the polymers they make the thing out of are fascinating.

iTunes integrates a music store with a music player. Ooh. Maybe I'm missing something because I'm only using it on Windows, but it doesn't exactly wow me the way I expected the 'Coolest Invention of 2003' to.

Frankly, I'm even disappointed with the Segway. They shouldn't be handing out this invention to anything that doesn't have wings at this point.

Re:What, not the Segway? (0)

Trent05 (70375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433153)

Nah, those are old school now.

http//maddox.xmission.com [xmission.com]

Re:What, not the Segway? (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433216)

Ooh. Maybe I'm missing something because I'm only using it on Windows

There isn't really any reason to anymore since you can get iTunes for Windows. Granted, it sucks and seems to take far too much background processor time so I had to kill it off, but it's available.

Re:What, not the Segway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433248)

Impressive as the technology may be, the Segway just isn't cool. It's an over-priced solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Segways are almost exculsively the domain of the rich and lazy.

RIAA: "An award for Terrorism!" (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433046)

After we fought successfully the demon of P2P terrorism and millions of people deleted their MP3 we're facing a new kind of terrorism. Capitalism and other people earning money.

iTunes as Jukebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433047)

In addition to the music store, iTunes works great as a jukebox - plus the software is free and they didn't cripple it unlike Napster and Musicmatch.

Hare-um Scare-um - 'Sexiest Invention of 1939' (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433050)

The first cartoon where Bugs Bunny was in drag was Hare-um Scare-um (1939).

iTunes? (5, Interesting)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433051)

This counts as an "invention"?

Look, the absolutely coolest invention of 2003 is the USB wristwatch. My watch holds all the essential stuff I used to keep on a diskette. Nothing helps bonding like showing people that your watch can store porn. Or a PowerPoint presentation. Or your latest baby photos. Whatever they need: my watch has it.

But iTunes? I can't carry it on my wrist.

Re:iTunes? (1)

TCaM (308943) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433144)

Well being as the itunes installer is only about 19 megs or so I'd bet you could fit it in there.

Of course using it is another thing, but you can carry it.

Re:iTunes? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433297)

I'm sure you could wrap an iPod to your arm, and that'd basically be iTunes on your wrist...

Spot the connection (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433058)

Much as I like iTunes... spot the AOL Time Warner and iTunes connection [google.com] .

Of the top ten listed... (3, Funny)

switched4OSX (668686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433061)

my favorite would have to be the snorkel fm radio. Of course, the wet babe in the bikini may be influencing my opinion.

Re:Of the top ten listed... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433133)

I just want some pussy [time.com] .

Still! (5, Funny)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433067)

From the article:
When Steve Jobs holds forth in public, it's usually to a mob of fawning Apple-ites--the true believers who still develop software and accessories for Apple products. (emphasis mine)
I got to admit, there is something cool about being an endangered species facing imminent extinction*. You get so much admiring and attention, you get to be on lots of TV documentaries and in lots of newspaper articles, and everyone wants to be like you because you're beautiful. :-p

* Especially if you've been facing imminent extinction for some 20-odd years.

Old joke, new (?) joke (-1, Redundant)

BabyDave (575083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433068)

Old joke:
"The invisible man's at the door!"
"Tell him I can't see him."

(Maybe) new joke:
"You certainly deserved your gold medal after that amazing dive. What do you call that technique?"
"The salmon skin roll."

Seriously folks, I'll be here all week ...

No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (2, Troll)

Newt-dog (528340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433069)

I just had to check out the Fish Skin Bikini's at Skini.com [skinilondon.com]

Newt-dog

Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (4, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433127)

Its only fault seems to be that it doesn't come in sizes for women that actually eat solid food.

Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (0)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433148)

Whoever said that's a bad thing? As long as they have tops for larger cup sizes, I'll be happy. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see a normal chick in one of those.

Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433304)

I know that some models are unnaturally skinny (Kate Moss...) but those didn't look so unusual...?

Oh, compared to American women...

Fish Murdering Bastard! (2, Funny)

illuminata (668963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433142)

Stop supporting the murder of thousands of helpless fish! Don't you understand that millions of fish are being senselessly killed and raped of their skin just to support a fashion trend? How would you like it if somebody wore your skin?

I wish that you could feel the suffering that our friends in the ocean are feeling every time their skin is being harvested for pure capitalist profit. It tears my soul apart when I hear someone advocating such violent acts against creatures that have brains twice as complex than our own!

I'm going to go listen to some emo and cry about what you said. I hope you're happy, killing fish and sending people like me into deep, dark, depressive states.

Go to Hell,
Your Friendly PETA Activist

Re:Fish Murdering Bastard! (1, Funny)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433180)

How would you like it if somebody wore your skin?
Somebody's actually wearing my skin, and the b4st4rd's also posting on slashdot now!

Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (1)

llauren (80737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433200)

An interesting bit: All other of those "coolest inventions" had relevant or correct pictures (not iTunes, though), but the fish skin bikini story surprisingly showed a picture from the next story, glowing fabric...

The pics on Skini's site make up for any omissions (steamy stuff!)

~llauren

Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! (1)

Newt-dog (528340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433268)

(steamy stuff)
hehe . . . That's why I just had to post the link to the Skini. I wouldn't want someone to overlook a visit to their site.

Newt-dog

Invention? (3, Insightful)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433071)

A pocket nuclear fusion reactor is an invention, a biplane made out of recycled cheese is an invention, a new kind of breaking system for cars is an invention.

iTunes is a store. It happens to be on the internet. That's not an invention, no matter how well executed it is.

Re:Invention? (2, Insightful)

nacturation (646836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433318)

iTunes is a store. It happens to be on the internet. That's not an invention, no matter how well executed it is.

Apple is a company which advertises. It happens to advertise in Time magazine. I'll bet if I spent as much advertising in Time as Apple does, I too could win product of the year for my Ronco Turnip Twaddler 2003 Special Edition!

Re:Invention? (2, Informative)

olafo (155551) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433320)

No such thing as software inventions, right? No reason to contact the patent office right? Logarithms were not invented, right? YOU'RE WRONG (as well as Slashdot) Take a look at the definition of invention: \In*ven"tion\, n. [L. inventio: cf. F. invention. See Invent.] 1. The act of finding out or inventing; contrivance or construction of that which has not before existed; as, the invention of logarithms; the invention of the art of printing.

Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433076)

Small independant labels that give their artists good royalties are nothing new. However, such a label coming up with an online music service that is actually *good* is new!

Let's compare this service to iTunes, the most popular current service.

Price:
iTunes - $0.99 per song
Magnatune - $5.00 an album
If it's a good album without crappy filler then Magnatune is the big winner here. Classical fans get a great deal, but pop fans may not, depending on the band. Overall, I'd give the edge to Magnatune, but not a big one.

Format:
iTunes - AAC with some annoying DRM
Magnatune - Uncompressed WAV's!!!
Absolutely no contest here. Finally an online music store has listened to audiophiles! They'd be smart to use a lossless compression format to save on their bandwidth costs though...

Ethics:
iTunes - Apple takes it's (big) cut and then the Artist's (frequently RIAA affiliated) label takes most of the rest.
Magnatune - The artist gets 50%!!!
Again, no contest. Instead of feeling guilty about fueling a powermad monster when you buy music you can feel good about supporting the people who actually made it!

Selection:
iTunes: Lots
Magnatune: Not a lot
iTunes is the clear winner here.

To sum up, you get more for your money with magnatunes, including peace of mind. You just can't get many albums there... yet. If magnatune manages to get off the ground that may change, but they have a long road ahead of them. Their biggest challenge is getting more content. In my opinion they need to forge alliances with other like-minded independant labels. There are a lot out there, but many use mail-order as their only form of distribution! Magnatunes needs to get these labels on board pronto.

Re:Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! (1)

supersam (466783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433128)

Apple takes it's (big) cut and then the Artist's (frequently RIAA affiliated) label takes most of the rest.

On the contrary, a big cut of the $0.99 goes to the RIAA while the credit card companies swallow the rest. Steve Jobs says so [theregister.co.uk] .

Re:Finally, music by people you've never heard of! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433146)

>Selection:
>iTunes: Lots
>You just can't get many albums there...

Understatement of the year.

>Magnatune - $5.00 an album

"Name brand" artists won't allow their work to be sold for $5/album.

Re:Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! (2, Insightful)

Demolition (713476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433173)

Ethics:
iTunes - Apple takes it's (big) cut and then the Artist's (frequently RIAA affiliated) label takes most of the rest.
Magnatune - The artist gets 50%!!!
Again, no contest. Instead of feeling guilty about fueling a powermad monster when you buy music you can feel good about supporting the people who actually made it!


Actually, according to Steve Jobs, Apple doesn't make any profit from the iTMS. Their cut of the proceeds barely covers their costs, apparently, while the RIAA takes the lion's share (leaving the artist with a pittance, of course).

(This info came from Jobs' recent financial results conference call (of which the iTMS data can be found in this CD Freaks new item [cdfreaks.com] (with a link to the original story from The Register [theregister.co.uk] .))

Other than that, I mostly agree with the points that you raised in your post.

D.

Re:Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! (1)

skamp (559446) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433175)

They'd be smart to use a lossless compression format to save on their bandwidth costs though...

They do [magnatune.com] use a lossless codec, Flac [sourceforge.net] .

Selection: iTunes: Lots Magnatune: Not a lot

You can't even compare several hundreds of thousands of songs to hundreds of songs... But the philosophy behind Magnatune sure is cool!

Re:Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! (1)

edalytical (671270) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433207)

I like there slogan: "We are not evil." Very reassuring. Seriously though, they have some quality artist, based on what I heard on their streams.

Too bad iTunes for Windows is Crap. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433083)

A few days after Itunes for Win32 came out, I decided to reboot from Gnu/Linux to try out Itunes on my decficated Windows XP partition.

First of all, I had to download the HUGE 19.9 Mb .exe file which of course was being slashdotted by millions of Apple zealots, so it took around an hour on my Cable modem.

When it finally downloaded I double clicked the install file. Yuck, an installshield, so much slower than the RPM format I am used to. I had to read the Apple EULA, wait around 20 minutes for it to install, and GASP Reboot, installling xmms.rpm didn't go that.

After rebooting, a dialog came up telling me where to scan for files. I selected "my documents" of course. Unfortunatley it retardedly thought my pr0n mpgs were "music" so I had to spend around 30 minutes removing them from the list.

After pissing around i decided to actually tried it out. First of all I could tell it was retarded. I had previously tried the Mac Version on a G5 at my local PC world, and this was a completley different looking App. Its used non standard controls, no way to maximise it and looked retarded similar to what Windows 3.1 looked like. Looks like whoever ported it to Windows had NO idea of the Windows HIG. Brushed metal looks so inconsistant on Windows too, and unlike other media players its not skinabble.

Its visualiasion feature was completley stupid, for the first 10 seconds it ALWAYS swowed a gay little Apple logo in the centre of the screen, with no way to turn it off.

The Musique store was useless for me, since I live in the UK, I could only listen to crappy previews that even on my 15 quid speakers sounded like ass.

I think that the music store could be a good idea, providing Apple provides an API for other Music Players to be able to connect to the Apple store, and that they provide service world wide (and at decent exchange rates, charge no more than 59p in the UK). But i don't like the Windows version of itunes. Lukily the other day I found a linux program called Rhythmbox [rhythmbox.net] that a similar layout to itunes but has the crap stripped out, actually conforms to Operating System HIGS and does what its supposed to DO, and THAT IS TO PLAY MUSIC!

Re:Too bad iTunes for Windows is Crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433117)

Oh golly! 19.9 megs on a cable modem! How terribly they have wronged you.

Let's see... I'll try downloading it again on my cable...

Done. 1 min, 31 seconds. Of course, even if the player had been 500k, it would have taken an hour on the first day.

Remember people, just 'cause you're trolling doesn't mean you HAVE to be an idiot.

MOD PARENT UP! IT WAS MODDED DOWN BY A ZEALOT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433131)

Itunes DOES have problems. What if Apple Made Windows Media Player and Microsoft Made Itunes? What would you say then?

Re:MOD PARENT UP! IT WAS MODDED DOWN BY A ZEALOT! (1, Funny)

gdarklighter (666840) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433221)

The parent was not modded down for criticiziing iTunes. It was modded down because it was flamebait. Notice the use of the phrases "Apple zealots" and "gay little Apple logo" along with vague derogatory adjectives like "crappy" and "retarded." If the author of that post would like to post a revised edition of his comment that had been proofread and written in a logical, mature manner, I would be more than happy to pay attention to his opinions.

Not that I'm holding out hope or anything. This is Slashdot, after all.

Re:MOD PARENT UP! IT WAS MODDED DOWN BY A ZEALOT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433277)

1. Judging people by the amount of "derogatory adjectives" people use is called stereotyping. Such behavior could be called bigotry, but that would be a bit much I suppose.

2. You are a fucking moron.

3. His post was actually modded flamebait because anyone criticizing Apple is almost always moderated down regardless of whether their complaints are valid or not. No doubt this is why he posted as AC and is why I am doing the same.

It's the zealot mods. They are everywhere, like a bad social disease.

Some refer to them as "teh ghey Apple zealot mods." I usually laugh at such posts because I have a sense of humor. Most mods don't, however, with their knee-jerk mod down reflex.

Damnit, I can totally understand why the great-grandparent poster was so agitated.

Whew... (4, Insightful)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433094)

Must have slept in longer this morning then I thought. Good thing 2003 is over. Those last 2 months went buy really quickly. Nothing significant must have been invented...

Re:Whew... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433301)

You see, as of November first through January first, the entire population of the USoA spontainiously turns into consumer whores. Consumer whores are only good at inventing faster ways to scan through advertisements.

Apple records? (1)

ScottSpeaks! (707844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433095)

The article mentions that the iTunes store doesn't have the rights to resell the Beatles' music. I wonder if that's due to the ongoing trademark turf war between Apple Computer and Apple Records (the Fab Four's label, and - according to legend - the appleinspiration for the name Jobs and Woz gave their kit computer). As I recall, one of the terms of a past settlement between the two was that the computer company would stay out of the music-publishing business.

Re:Apple records? (2, Interesting)

JulianOolian (683769) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433215)

he Fab Four's label, and - according to legend - the appleinspiration for the name Jobs and Woz gave their kit computer

I heard the apple of Apple came from the story of Alan Turing's suicide [turing.org.uk] .

One word about iTunes (0, Redundant)

mrsev (664367) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433098)

DRM

That's not a word, dear. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433326)

That's not a word, dear.

Fuck Yeah (5, Interesting)

cscx (541332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433099)

iTunes for Windows is my official new favorite MP3 player.

I am proceeding to rip all my 500+ CDs into iTunes. With one click.

Winamp has served me well for many, years, but it lacks the snazzy playlist/library editor, and the ability to transfer music from CD, to the hard drive, tag it, and add it to my playlist at the click of a button. Literally.

Sure, it's a little slow, but who cares. Its functionality is unmatched. The music store is snazzy, too.

Good move, Apple, with iTunes for Windows. You may see a future Mac / iPod customer soon...

Smart Playlists.. (2, Informative)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433246)

Smart Playlists is what did it for me. Being able to categorize my music by how much I listen to it and my favorite artists instead of having to add each and every song by hand is a great time saver. Maybe the dudes over at nullsoft can borrow this idea...

Fish leather bikini? Old news. (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433103)

I remember seeing fish leather products in Darwin at a Kawasaki/Harley dealership about 7 years ago, though I don't recall if there were any bikinis.

However, I did find this reference [ausfish.com.au] to fish leather bikinis, dated 2001. Sorry, can't find pics :-(

Re:Fish leather bikini? Old news. (0)

modme2 (630194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433252)

Havent seen the fish leather clothing, but there's croc leather everything. Other than that, all I can really tell you is its currently fkin hot ;)

A New Love Drug? (4, Insightful)

whig (6869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433114)

Sorry, but something that gives you a longer erection is hardly the successor to MDMA.

Re:A New Love Drug? (1)

dabadab (126782) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433314)

Yeah, I guess the world would be a much more lovely place if we could figure out how to make the effects of MDMA permament. A research toward that would be the real pursuit of happines.

Except it lacks music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433119)

I tried searching the store for about ten of my favorite artists and couldn't find anything. No, I do not have obscure tastes. I like classic rock and oldies, and had great difficulty finding a lot of great hits from the past. I say stick to CDNOW or others until iTMS becomes more complete. It's very geared towards the current top 40 instead of great music. Innovation? No, not until they get a reasonable library.

not available... (1)

jlemmerer (242376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433120)

hmm, i just installed iTunes and wanted to take a look to the music store. I'm living in Austria and when i wanted to connect to the store a message informed me that this service is not available here. so, does is help when i change the value in the "country" state at the registration or does apple a lookup where the ip adress is registered? furthermore, since i pay by credit card where is the problem with buying music from iTunes Store. if the RIAA is making problems concerning the copyright in different country's, hell, they shoud be glad someone actually buys their music and not downloading it from kazaa.

Simple (1)

cscx (541332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433136)

They are protecting themselves against credit card fraud.... see here [slashdot.org] to see what I'm talking about..

actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433294)

The reason for this is licensing- European distributors haven't gotten around to licensing the music to Apple to sell in Europe (not for lack of trying on Apple's part).

Fish Bikini NOT a new invention (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433121)

I just dont see how something that has been sold at a high cost for 20 years can now count as an invention. Sharkskin bikini's were quite a rage back in the early 90's, but i guess that doesnt count huh?

What? No SCO? (0, Offtopic)

darnok (650458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433130)

An entirely new approach to running a business isn't cool? Did we learn nothing from the dot-bomb experience? Consider this:

1. Alienate potential customers, existing customers and existing resellers of your products.
2. Piss off biggest computer company in the world
3. Piss off regulatory groups in many countries in the world
4. Make unsubstantiated demands for money from complete strangers. Provide no mechanism whereby said strangers can pay the requested money
5. Threaten all and sundry with lawsuits. Specifically refuse to tell anyone the basis for these lawsuits, with the explanation that doing so would allow people to stop "breaking the law" which would be unacceptable
6. Issue verbal indemnities to potential lawsuit recipients, based on constantly changing criteria. Ensure nobody can tell whether they're actually indemnified or not, which actually isn't that big a deal as nobody knows what the basis of the lawsuits is anyway (refer previous point)
7. Continue distributing for free that which you proclaim to be illegal to give away. Distribute it under a licence that specifically says "it's OK to give this away"
8. Sell product in blatant violation of the rights of the owners of the product. Simultaneously complain that others are doing the exact same thing with "your" product

If the Iraqi Information Minister was cool - and who among us thought he wasn't THE man for 2003? - then this is also cool.

Debian dselect iTunes implementation (3, Funny)

Debian Troll's Best (678194) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433132)

Normally I'm a pretty hardcore Debian user, but at my current contract job at a fairly major publishing house, I've been dealing with quite a lot of Mac systems. While OS X still has a ways to go before I would consider replacing my trusty Debian desktop, things like iTunes Music Store (iTMS) really make the switch worth considering. But if only iTMS could come to Debian!!!

While writing a little multithreaded print workflow app in AppleScript for the client, I struck upon an idea: what if I could expose the functions of iTunes using AppleScript in a client/server type arrangement, and then make those functions accessible across the network to a Debian system running a modified dselect iTunes browser? AppleScript is pretty powerful, as any seasoned Mac user will attest, so it was quick work to create a handy little mutithreaded fully re-entrant AppleScript based server for the core iTunes functions (load song, play song, browse playlist, buy song etc).

The next part was to patch dselect on the Linux side so it could connect to my AppleScript server/wrapper on the Mac. I'd previously extended dselect with a Scheme-scriptable plugin, so it only took me a day or two to modify dselect with some Scheme macros so that it emulated to look and feel of iTunes (using ASCII art of course!!), but accessing the actual iTMS functions though the network exposed AppleScript..errr..script.

It worked a treat!! It is now a simple matter of running dselect on my Debian box to browse the iTMS, as long as the Mac over in the corner running the AppleScript wrapper is turned on of course. I have actually implemented a direct USB->USB cross over connection to get around bottlenecking problems with our Ethernet so I don't have to put up with skipping in iTMS MP3 playback. Now it works great!!!

The final step will be to patch apt-get with iTMS interface functionality...then buying my favorite music legally will only be an apt-get install Justin-Timberlake away!

Which is nice.

iTunes Music Store (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433134)

I just bought a brand new iBook G4, which is like the coolest thing ever. But as far as sequenced groups of electrons go, iTMS kicks so much ass it isn't even funny. seriously. I totally dislike buying CDs because well, I hate malls, and the record stores here in Tralee don't have any of the Boston bands I like, such as Dropkick Murphys. P2P is unreliable. If I had a job I'd trash all my mp3s and just buy a whole new collection off of iTMS (a lot of my files got screwed up from transfering them from CD-Rs which i highly abused).

Problems with iTunes (repost) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433135)

This was posted earlier on, but an Apple Zealot who thought "Apple is god, you can't critisize it". If this was windows Media Player it would be Immediatley slapped up to 5, insightful. So, I am reposting this, and this is a true account of what happened.

A few days after Itunes for Win32 came out, I decided to reboot from Gnu/Linux to try out Itunes on my decficated Windows XP partition.

First of all, I had to download the HUGE 19.9 Mb .exe file which of course was being slashdotted by millions of Apple zealots, so it took around an hour on my Cable modem.

When it finally downloaded I double clicked the install file. Yuck, an installshield, so much slower than the RPM format I am used to. I had to read the Apple EULA, wait around 20 minutes for it to install, and GASP Reboot, installling xmms.rpm didn't go that.

After rebooting, a dialog came up telling me where to scan for files. I selected "my documents" of course. Unfortunatley it retardedly thought my pr0n mpgs were "music" so I had to spend around 30 minutes removing them from the list.

After pissing around i decided to actually tried it out. First of all I could tell it was retarded. I had previously tried the Mac Version on a G5 at my local PC world, and this was a completley different looking App. Its used non standard controls, no way to maximise it and looked retarded similar to what Windows 3.1 looked like. Looks like whoever ported it to Windows had NO idea of the Windows HIG. Brushed metal looks so inconsistant on Windows too, and unlike other media players its not skinabble.

Its visualiasion feature was completley stupid, for the first 10 seconds it ALWAYS swowed a gay little Apple logo in the centre of the screen, with no way to turn it off.

The Musique store was useless for me, since I live in the UK, I could only listen to crappy previews that even on my 15 quid speakers sounded like ass.

I think that the music store could be a good idea, providing Apple provides an API for other Music Players to be able to connect to the Apple store, and that they provide service world wide (and at decent exchange rates, charge no more than 59p in the UK). But i don't like the Windows version of itunes. Lukily the other day I found a linux program called Rhythmbox [rhythmbox.net] that a similar layout to itunes but has the crap stripped out, actually conforms to Operating System HIGS and does what its supposed to DO, and THAT IS TO PLAY MUSIC!

Humph, it's advertising allright (-1, Troll)

TyrranzzX (617713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433145)

No better than advertising and product placement imo.

But wait, could I be wrong? Time magazine is owned by AOLTimeWarner, which makes money off of ITunes. So never in a million years would time magazine ever thing to run an advert, er, article on something their making money on so they could make more money, but since the people buying the magazine take it legit as an article and the truth or as good opinion, they'll just eat it up without thinking twice.

Seriously slashdot editors, can't you post something up interesting?

Re:Humph, it's advertising allright (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433191)

"which makes money off of ITunes"

which makes money FROM iTunes

Microsoft Server 2003... (4, Funny)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433149)


Surely that is the coolest thing in the world, I've seen the adverts, its lets me do more with less, I can consolidate all my domains down to just 4. AND I can then slide.

Microsoft Server 2003 is the coolest invention of the year, and MacDonalds are a healthy food option.

Wha' da' ya mean dominated by advertising ? Me and Mary Beth were only on Jerry Springer twice.

It's official (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433172)

"Mac users, who represent only 3% of the computer world...in the 97% of the world that uses Windows PCs"

Sorry guys, it's now official. *BSD is dead. Time says so. In fact, so is Linux.

Serious Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433178)

Why should someone pay for music (minus the moral issues) when Kazaa Lite has the ability to download music for free? It also has a rating system, so if something is rated Excellent, you can be fairly sure you are getting what you expect. I don't see how iTunes will make it in the long run.

Cyberdildonics! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433181)

I'm still waiting.

A fish-skin bikini? I don't think so (2, Funny)

MissTuxie (722948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433185)

Salmon skin bikini? I'd rather go naked to the beach. On a second thought, I already do. And have salmon-skin sushi on the beach. Isn't that a better combination? :)

You are kidding! (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433188)

It's nice to use, but ultimately, it's a piece of software for downloading music. Nothing particularly breathtaking about it.

I'd rather put Open Office 1.1 in there.

Re:You are kidding! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433202)

I'd rather put Open Office 1.1 in there.



Uhhh..... at least iTunes isn't an obvious CLONE of something!

Re:You are kidding! (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433272)

So, which Office suite has export to PDF built in? Which was the first suite to have native file formats in XML?

There's nothing particularly original about iTunes. It's music downloading software. Find music and download it. Plenty of people have been doing this before.

How could they overlook (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433193)

that new fangled "sliced" bread? Sure been doin' it for me this year

outside the USA (1)

martin (1336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433222)

quite possibly, but those of us outside the USA don't get squat with all the new services, or have to put up with a windows only facility.

hmm sees a business oportunity, if only the various RIAA type organisations around the world could be convinced about non-DRM implementations of this stuff. I mean it's a pain having to go via a couple of phono leads to put the material on a CD I play in my car (via cassette in my case so the quality drops).

argh... (1)

mantera (685223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433225)


i guess it qualifies as "coolest" since the definition of cool these days seems almost synonymous with music.
maybe i'm odd, but i don't see why so many people believe the hype that music is so essential to life. I swear some people say stupid things like "music is my life" as if it's a cool thing and kids define themselves by the music they like. people who have different tastes in music now seem to belong to different "crowds". "what bands do you like" and "are you in a band" seem to have become almost as standard cliches as "hello" and "how are you". This is insane.
"come see my band play", groupie girls stupidly having their lame thing over "band boys" and the slut-izisation of american teenagers under peer-pressure that makes giving head to someone who's in a band an admirable and eviable thing is pure degradation of minds through the incessant brainwashing brought upon them by MTV & co and other industry-driven glamourization of music.

get a grip people, music isn't essential, isn't that glamorous, and it's a sad sad state of affairs that it occupies such a big share of the national entertainment culture. It's even more than entertainment for some.

Re:argh... (1)

Hitchcock_Blonde (717330) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433311)

I think history speaks to the necessity of music. If music is not an important part of what it means to be human, why has it existed in every culture since the beginning of recorded history (and, most probably before)?

Greed (4, Insightful)

Talisman (39902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433232)

From the article:

"At most, Jobs is left with a dime per track, so even $500 million in annual sales would add up to a paltry $50 million profit. Why even bother?"

Excuse me? A paltry $50 MILLION dollar profit?!?

'Paltry' and '$50 million dollar profit' don't belong in the same sentence.

This mentality is what's screwing the entire downloadable music process. It's not about whether it's profitable, it's about whether it's profitable enough.

Just for them saying that, I'm going to download some MP3s tonight. WTF...

Tal

Missed One.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433234)

They missed the "Cmdr Taco Electrified Corrective Buttplug."

I thought that was pretty cool.....

time names pateNTdead eyecon0meter heroic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7433243)

in yOUR pursuit/disempowerment of unprecedented evile, aka, the corepirate nazi life0cide.

time loves a hero? get ready to see the light.

It just works! (4, Insightful)

camperslo (704715) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433276)

I can see people having trouble with Time's use of the word "invention". It's their language, not Apple's. So many have used patents in an abusive way, it's easy to get into a defensive posture on even hearing the word invention. In the context of the Time article, "creative consumer offering" would better fit what they are talking about.
A product is more than a list of features. It's also about philosophy. Fairness, paying attention to the overall experience, and caring about behind the scenes detail is all part of this. Most consumers aren't likely to know that Apple is paying for the high-quality Fraunhofer IIS MP3 codec to let them use it for free in iTunes. Don't expeect to see things like that from MS/Napster. As any Linux user can tell you, beauty is more than skin deep.

Invention/Idea Forum on SlipHead.com (2, Informative)

Telluride (720291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433305)

SlipHead.com [sliphead.com] is a cool new site following in this trend if any of you are interested. It's basically a free forum for the exchange of ideas with a methodology similar to open-source software. Take a minute to check it out!

2003? (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7433317)

It's November. How can they possibly know what the coolest inventions of 2003 are?
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