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MacGimp Reviewed, Available For Easy Download

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the beats-photoshop-on-price dept.

GNU is Not Unix 80

Kelly McNeill writes "Now that a native X Window system (X11) comes as standard equipment on OS X Panther, osViews' Kelly McNeill thought that now might be the right time to review the latest (stable) version of of the GNU Image Manipulation Program -- version 1.2.5. Gimp reviews in the past have typically either been written from a non-technical perspective -- authored by graphic artists or by software developers -- having little understanding of the needs of graphic designers. Kelly McNeill is a self-proclaimed tech geek and a working graphic artist, which makes the review all the more interesting." And Durin_Deathless writes "A new open source company, Archei LLC , is sponsoring free downloads of MacGIMP. You can download here(1)(officially) or here(2) (no personal info needed). You could also use Fink to get GIMP, but if GIMP is all want, here you go."

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fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449583)

fp!

Help me, I've TURNED!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449961)

Help me! A few minutes ago, I tried out Mac OS X for the first time on my roommate's grape koolaid iBook. And so help me, suddenly I was on top of him, pulling his pants down, and shoving his 3-inch fully-extended weenie in my mouth!!!

This is horrible! I've always liked girls and had hoped, someday before I die, to bed one of them. But what the hell is happening to me???

Also, I expected him to resist, but his 3-inch weenie got all puffy and red and extended to 3.15 inches and after about five or six seconds, he shot his load into my mouth.

What the hell has Steve "San Francisco" Jobs done with Macintosh Oh-Ess-Ecchhs? And what have you fucking fruitcakes done to me???

no registration link is broken... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449616)

the link to download macgimp without registering takes you to a webpage that links to the registration form.

Re:no registration link is broken... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449661)

Clearly, you haven't voted in Kelly's very scientific survey [osviews.com] to get to the correct download page. Vote once a day to make sure the results are accurate.

Re:no registration link is broken... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7458394)

Why do I sense skepticism in your writing?

Those stats seem pretty accurate to me.

Just what the troll doctor order... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449664)

A story about GIMP? As if Macs didn't get enough trolls equating operating system choice to "deviant" sexual preferences...

Common Clipboard Comment (3, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7449686)

From the article:

>After thinking about it however, I realized that these
>complaints were mis-directed. Clipboard data is not an
>application-specific function. Therefore, the problem is
>not something specific to The Gimp, but rather to X11.

That it isn't GIMP's problem doesn't keep it from being, well, a problem with GIMP.

you smoke crack (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449902)

you are just wrong.

They really like ripping off users ... (1)

Sonic McTails (700139) | more than 10 years ago | (#7449913)

They also have WinGIMP, which is basically GIMP for Windows. The only difference is you are overpriced for WinGIMP, while GIMP for Windows is free. Do I hear a Microsoft-like plan here (aka ripping off users by making them buy overpriced crud) ?

Buggy on my Laptop (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7449915)

I tried downloading MacGimp's free version to my laptop, and when I started it up, I had to wade through several configuration screens before it would actually run. Then when it did start up, I got all kinds of errors in the message window about not being able to find various pieces.

My guess is that it is not yet ready for 10.3.

The Fink version is ready for Panther, and doesn't need you to configure it.

Re:Buggy on my Laptop (2, Insightful)

clbyjack81 (597903) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450114)

"My guess is that it is not yet ready for 10.3" Interesting, MacGIMP seems to work just fine, even with very large images, on my TiBook 550 running 10.3.1.

Re:Buggy on my Laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7452095)

it works here.

download links (2, Informative)

TimButterfield (16686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7449976)

Since the original link did not appear to work, here are a couple more that might:

MacGimp [archei.com]
WinGimp [archei.com]

a month too late! (1)

chochos (700687) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450094)

About a month ago, I managed to build the GIMP on a Powerbook G4 with Jaguar. Then I installed it on a G3 iMac, with a lot of effort, mostly running the app over and over, adding missing libs until finally it ran, with some warnings but it runs ok, with X11 beta.
BR Oh, and all this without Fink... well, the day I install Panther I will give this MacGIMP a try, or install Fink and stop wasting time.

Re:a month too late! (1)

Spyky (58290) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450182)

Use fink, it took me 30 seconds to install. (well, more to download, but you get the idea).

I've done it on Jaguar and Panther.

-Spyky

Re:a month too late! (2, Informative)

PeeweeJD (623974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452783)

Fink is definitely the way to go... And you don't have to go through all this macgimp.org crap.

If you have problems with command line crap, try out Fink Commander [sourceforge.net] (which is a gui for fink). It makes installing stuff through fink even easier (you select what you want from a table and click install).

ps: the link in my sig is a bunch of pictures that I made with Gimp for Fark contests...

Buying GPL Software (0, Redundant)

cubal (601223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450210)

Companies that sell GPL software make me think - why has the community not gotten together to bypass this sort of profit mongering?

All it would take would be one person to buy it, get the source as macgimp has it (i.e. patched for comp. on Mac OS X), build it themselves then stick it on gimp.org or planetmirror.com or similar... in fact, the community could pool together say 50 people at $1 each, and we have a free (as in speech) version of macgimp :)

That make any sense?

Re:Buying GPL Software (1)

cubal (601223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450221)

umm, not necessarily saying that selling GPL software = profit-mongering, it just seems to me in this case that $50/item for just building someone else's software seems a little steep.

Re:Buying GPL Software (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451183)

It's in Fink. It can't get much easier than that.

Re:Buying GPL Software (1)

cubal (601223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7460425)

True, if you have a gig or so to spare for a redundant set of utilities, libraries and build tools - like many Mac users, I *only* want Gimp - anything else I need (like color ls) I'll compile myself without fink.

Hrmm (3, Informative)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450341)

The 1.2 series is so crusty feeling compared to 1.3. Really, 1.3 is like a whole new GIMP.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7450659)

It's cool to have the Gimp on Mac.
However, it has many shortcomings.

1. It's X11 based.
Well.. thanks to it, it is easy to port general Unix/Linux programs to Mac. However due to it, you launch another windowing system, X11, as well as Apple's own one. I think it is a waste of memory.

2. GTK widget is not beautiful.

It also look like unfinished product.

3. File management is not convenient.

The GIMP's open file dialog box may be good on Unix/Linux system, but it is inconvenient on Windows and Mac. There is no "home" directory button, or any other shortcut to some directories.

etc.

However... it is good to have the Gimp on Mac. :)

Re:Well... (3, Insightful)

Rysc (136391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451394)

1. So port GTK to native MacOSX. Too much effort? Then it's effort or a waste of memory. I choose to "waste" memory.

2. GTK doesn't look like anything. You have issues with the default theme. Go get a nice Aqua theme and enjoy your gooey colors.

3. You're right, file management in GTK apps does suck. GTK2 (which GIMP 1.3 uses) will be fixing this real soon now(tm).

Re:Well... (1)

rixstep (611236) | more than 10 years ago | (#7486212)

Sorry, but it's just totally lame with X and the GTK. If Moz can give us Cocoa (Camino), so can GIMP.

'Steve Jobs said the X Window System is brain-damaged and will disappear in two years. He got it half-right.'
-- Dennis Ritchie

Re:Well... (1)

Rysc (136391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503479)

Moz has a whole cross platform GUI thing, which GTK doesn't. Moz can as a result do a lot of tricks GTK can't.

But like I said, find a nice Aqua GTK theme, and boom: GIMP looks native.

Saved by X11 (2, Insightful)

xiaodidi (678443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452673)

As a scientist, I can justify the purchase of one or more macs -- with a straight face -- because of X11. That't the only way I can get the software I need up and running now (although I needed it yesterday).

X11 may not be beautiful, but face it, developers of specialized software rooted in legacy code aren't going to turn into sleek, fashionable Cocoa-only coders for the love of Steve. Similarly, the Gimp folks aren't going to neglect their Linux and Windows audience to concentrate on Objective C.

Apple embraced Open GL, Perl, Python, Java, and nobody complained. Say hello to X11.

Memory is cheap -- software development isn't.

Re:Saved by X11 (1)

Rysc (136391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7477948)

Memory is cheap -- software development isn't.

May I quote you on that? I've said similar things myself, but it sounds pretentious to quote yourself.

Quote me, please (1)

xiaodidi (678443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7509448)

Of course you can quote me, my friend!

Try this direct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7450673)

Seems to be case sensitive -- try this instead [archei.com] .

Cocoa or forget it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7450687)

If those lamers can't port it to Cocoa, we still have Photoshop.

Re:Cocoa or forget it (1)

kyrre (197103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452075)

Which of course is a carbon app..

Re:Cocoa or forget it (0)

xiaodidi (678443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452747)

Yes, you still have Photoshop. But:

1) Photoshop isn't Cocoa, it's Carbon. Shame on you for using it, that makes you unclean.

2) if you Cocoa-only zealots have your way, the Mac will be so marginalized that even Adobe will pull the plug.

And by the way, quick, name five native Cocoa apps.

Re:Cocoa or forget it (1)

wchin (6284) | more than 10 years ago | (#7453440)

OmniGraffle
OmniOutliner
OmniWeb
Camino
Create
PStill
Formac TiVeRon
Keynote
Quicktime Broadcaster
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix
Freedom Force
Oni
Quake III Arena
Heavy Metal FAKK2

Tons of apps included in Mac OS X:
Safari
Mail
iPhoto
iMovie
iCal
iChat
Add ressBook
many more

Major apps that used to have Cocoa/NeXTstep/OPENSTEP ports:
Mathematica
Adobe Illustrator
Macromedia Freehand
SAS
WordPerfect
Improv

Major 3rd party developers have not embraced Cocoa as readily mainly because you can't target Mac OS 9 with Cocoa. Many large developers only recently decided to drop Mac OS 9 development. Plus, the initial versions of Mac OS X's compiler toolchain dropped Objective-C++ support (added back into Jaguar). That made it unsavory to do Cocoa front-end ports to C++ backends and now that it is back, it takes time for developers to discover, train, write, and ship.

It is important for Apple and the platform for people to seriously move to the new API sets - Microsoft is selling .Net pretty hard which is a similar type of transition.

Re:Cocoa or forget it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7457031)

Sure, but can you name any CocoaPuffs applications? Huh Huh? No CocoaPuffs applications?

Re:Cocoa or forget it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7461137)

> OmniWeb
Crap

> Camino
More crap

> Keynote
Stupid crap

> Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix
Useless crap

> Mail
Crap

> iMovie
Cruddy crap

> iChat
Crashing crap

> many more
Like what, Finder? Total crap. It's really sad when your windowing app is less stable than third-party shareware, but there you have it.

I'm surprised iCab and similar crap wasn't on that lovely list of yours. Well, either way, I'm sure Apple is proud.

GIMP on Win32 (1)

BeatdownGeek (687929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450730)

Here's an installer [arnes.si] that will get GIMP installed on a Windows machine in 2 or 3 .exe files.

It's the latest release too (1.2.5) which seems uncommon in Win ports of *nix software.

Re:GIMP on Win32 (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450790)

Correction: The latest GIMP that i know of is 1.3

The trend continues...

Launcher my arse (2, Informative)

pauldy (100083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450883)

I wanted to post this on macgimp if it wasn't for that registration thingy.
If you want to launch gimp like a regular program follow these simple steps after having it installed were you can at the very least run it from a terminal command line.

#1 go to find (command f) and search for gimp. Locate the file named gimp with a parent of bin. it should reside in /opt/local/bin With this file located select it and do a get info. Go to Ownership & permissions. Make sure the details are showing and select the current user for the owner. This should prompt you for the administrative password. Enter it and click ok.

#2 double click the application gimp. Select choose application. Find your X11 application and click ok. It will then tell you not enough information is available and ask if you would like to update the program click update.

#3 after gimp launches close out of it and shut X11 down.

#4 get info on gimp again and change the owner back to system. Close the get info box.

#5 make an alias to gimp by selecting the icon and pressing command+option while dragging the alias to its new home.

You can now close out of all the windows your new alias is now a launcher for gimp. YMMV on this as I just decided to try it out being a Mac user for so long I just figured this was the way it should be done and low and behold it worked without a hitch. System was 10.3 with the latest updates for both X11 and the security updates from apple. In addition you can add it to the dock but because it is a file not an application you have to place it to the side of the solid black line the trash can is on.

MacGIMP Launcher script (1)

TimButterfield (16686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451223)

This MacGIMP Launcher [macgimp.org] script started it fine for me. Of course, I found this after I created the /opt/local/bin/gimp link in the X11 applications menu.

Re:MacGIMP Launcher script (1)

pauldy (100083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451516)

This is exactly what you don't need if you follow the directions. In addition this procedure works for all X11 based apps including the likes of tystudio which was the original app I tested this on. Now when I want to grab video off my tivo it is no longer a hassle just a click on the app for tystudio and X11 comes up and so does tystudio.

Re:Launcher my arse (1)

jpkunst (612360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451255)

I wonder if you also get a whole list of errors (in xterm) related to Gimp plugins and what looks like missing Perl modules when you start up Gimp?

I tried to solve it by installing the 'Gimp' Perl module with CPAN but the install failed.

JP

Re:Launcher my arse (3, Informative)

amackeyuva (212557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452153)

Slightly cleaner instructions (should work for more people):

1. Don't use Find, but open:

% open /opt/local/bin

2. Use GetInfo as described to change ownership to current user

3. Select "Open With" info tab, "Choose Other", find X11, click "Always Open With This" button

4. Double click gimp to ensure it works (you'll have to go through Gimp setup).

5. Quit Gimp and X11

6. Change ownership back to system.

7. Drag gimp icon into dock - no need to make an alias

8. if you want to be able to open gimp from the shell, add this to your .cshrc/.bashrc:

alias gimp open /opt/local/bin/gimp $@

Re:Launcher my arse (1)

Graymalkin (13732) | more than 10 years ago | (#7456743)

tell application "X11"
activate
end tell
do shell script "export DISPLAY=:0 && source /sw/bin/init.sh && gimp"

Save as an Application. You can even add a cool GIMP icon.

Re:Launcher my arse (1)

dzurn (62738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7456876)

If you want to launch gimp like a regular program follow these
simple stepS after having it installed...

This is a joke, right?

Re:Launcher my arse (1)

pauldy (100083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7460609)

Depends on what side of the bell curve your on I guess.

Re:Launcher my arse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7486193)

you have to place it to the side of the solid black line the trash can is on

That's a good place for it.

One reason why Gimp is important. (0)

fsterman (519061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7450941)

Photoshop has an near effortless monopoly on the graphics art crowd. Everyone is "born" into Photoshop. Not trained, more a skill that honed and explored over years years like a brush and canvas. This monopoly has limited the computer art industry like having only so many colors would to a painter. Things that are simple to in other programs can often not be done in Photoshop. If Gimp starts getting others to at least consider using other non-Phtoshop maybe they will start using those trial downloads of Painter and Canvas.

Re:One reason why Gimp is important. (4, Insightful)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7451041)

The thing to realize is that a lot of the things missing from Photoshop that are easier in other programs are the things that Photoshop users have learned to work around while still remaining in Photoshop, frequently ignoring upgrades to stay with a version familiar to them.

Photoshop is a lot like Autocad - once you get used to it functioning a certain way and have customized it, there's no need to upgrade just because Adobe says so. An upgrade may add some new features, but if you've learned quick workarounds, why bother?

The same with Gimp - I'm familiar with Photoshop, I know how to get the things done I need to do - why bother switching programs? The extra frustration that comes with learning a new way of doing the same old things doesn't justify the change.

Re:One reason why Gimp is important. (1)

superflippy (442879) | more than 10 years ago | (#7453073)

You just described my use of Photoshop to a T. Adobe updates it too frequently and won't let you skip a version for upgrades like Macromedia does, so I've just been sticking with 6.0. It's the only Classic app I use anymore, but it still does what I need (photo manipulation), so why upgrade? For non-photo stuff I have Fireworks and Freehand.

Still, I think I may have to try out the GIMP after I upgrade to Panther.

Re:One reason why Gimp is important. (1)

selfish (230525) | more than 10 years ago | (#7473577)

Um, I don't think that is true...I just upgraded from Photoshop 5.5 to 7 directly from Adobe.

YMMV, of course.

Re:One reason why Gimp is important. (1)

superflippy (442879) | more than 10 years ago | (#7522827)

Interesting. They wouldn't let me upgrade from 5.0 directly to 6.0. I'll have to see if I can go from 6 to 8 now that that's out.

TWO reasons why the GIMP is so important (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7455957)

Photoshop is a lot like Autocad - once you get used to it functioning a certain way and have customized it, there's no need to upgrade just because Adobe says so. An upgrade may add some new features, but if you've learned quick workarounds, why bother?

That's a good reason WHY we need the GIMP. If you need a set of features, and you have them, why should you have to get on the Adobe upgrade train?

Another reason for open source solutions: Just look at what Adobe is doing with Illustrator; Ill. 9 will balk at opening an EPS created in ILL. 10, even if there's no technical reason for it. Let's face it--Adobe is as bad as Microsoft.

Re:TWO reasons why the GIMP is so important (1)

zangdesign (462534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7461607)

You missed the point of the argument - a lot of professional Photoshop users aren't on the Adobe upgrade train because they what they're currently using does what they need it to. It has nothing to do with whether or not they need The GIMP, but more about trying to convince people to switch when it's not really necessary.

The GIMP is great for people who don't have any experience with Photoshop.

Personally, I find the interface somewhat clunky and at least in Windows - it doesn't mesh well with the existing interface, but that's probably a minor quibble. The lack of a CMYK mode makes it pretty useless for print work, IMHO.

Re:TWO reasons why the GIMP is so important (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7465047)

You missed the point of the argument - a lot of professional Photoshop users aren't on the Adobe upgrade train because they what they're currently using does what they need it to.

I stated my point badly, then. What I was trying to point out is that Adobe is starting to 'pull' users along (e.g., disabled forward compatibility in Illustrator.) OSS won't do that. I deal with an awkward interface if it means I can be sure that GIMP 2 will be able to open GIMP 3 TIFFs.

I agree that the GIMP isn't ready for prime time, but I'll be watching it with interest.

GINP (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7451360)

GINP Is Not Photoshop

Re:GINP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7458623)

LOL!

It's OSOpinion! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7451542)

I wondered what happened to it! I see the FAQ tries to disassociate itself with OSOpinion but it doesn't take long to see it's the same.

I wonder if this means Tom Nadeau will start up his "Warped Perspective" again...

Re:It's OSOpinion! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7454481)

Hello... Kelly McNeill here... osOpinion's former managing editor. Yep, Im running osViews instead of osOpinion now. I wish I could go into detail as to why OSO is in the current state that it is... but I can't say anything about it (yet)... although I'm hoping to tell the world sometime in the future.

Re:It's OSOpinion! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7454798)

Excellent!

Re:It's OSOpinion! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7455189)

I contacted Tom and he said that osViews can syndicate his content like we did with osOpinion before... but he hasn't written anything new in quite some time. -- Kelly McNeill

Dear Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7451574)

Dear Apple,

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with much gayness,

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Dear Randy O'Day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7451583)

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Easy Download, Not So Easy Use (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7451899)

Port it to Cocoa - or go away!

Like we need your GIMP anyway?

Fuck me can't Mac users compile code ??!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7452031)

You don't need a PhD in Computer Science to download some code and build it all.

Shit me, Mac OS X even has a Developers Tool CD.

Unless they can do the old "mount image" and drag this folder to your apps folder, they can't seem to be arsed. They'd rather fork over their $$$$... they just like paying and paying...

At least donwload a serial gen for Photoshop you lazy bastards.

Christ.

Great Program! (1)

Noodlenose (537591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452053)

I have been using the Gimp on my PC and Mac for a year and certainly don't miss Photoshop anymore. Yes, the handling of files can be a bit awkward on a Mac, but that's really the only bit of criticism I have. On the positive side, you get an impressive community of people eager to help, great online tutorials, a vast library of plugins, and, best of all: It's free.

When was the last time any of the teenage trolls here actually had to shell out money for Photoshop and not just download it from a warez site? If their credit card statement would suddenly sport a 500 pound sterling hole, they would probably think twice about the benefits of the GIMP.

Well done, guys.

Re:Great Program! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7453383)

"When was the last time any of the teenage trolls here actually had to shell out money for Photoshop and not just download it from a warez site? If their credit card statement would suddenly sport a 500 pound sterling hole, they would probably think twice about the benefits of the GIMP."

Photoshop Elements will provide the same capabilities as GIMP for about $80 US and it uses the same basic interface as the full Photoshop.

GIMP might have a helpful community, but unfortunately it's a community of techie types and not artistic types - That's not a bad thing in itself, but I have yet to see truly great artwork made in GIMP.

Most of what I've seen looks like art projects for a community college class.

Re:Great Program! (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7455550)

Just a quick note as someone who has used all of the above products. I like and own photshop elements, but it is lacking in some features compared to Gimp. Most noteable are basics like Curves. When comparing the latest Gimp to Photoshop Elements, people are better off not having to spend a hundred bucks when a free program will do the same job. Let's not forget that one of the major advantages of Photoshop isn't availble in Elements, namely CMYK support. Plus like I mentioned, Gimp has some advanced features Elements lacks.

I think Elements is a really good program, but after you consider Gimp is its equal technically and to boot is free I think the choice is clear. At least for people who are stuck in Windows because of a single app :P

This can't be true (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7452378)

I use Gimp on a Linux Box (because there is no Photoshop).

Did anyone try to save an image as jpeg? The quality is arghhh.

I really prefer to reboot into Windows or use my Mac with Photoshop.

I'm really doing a lot with open source software. Some programs are great (jedit). But I fear the arrival of the day when such great companies like BareBones, Adobe or Metrowerks have to close their gates (hehe) and we all remain only with this free stuff.

The user friendliness if 98% of these things is very bad. Good only for people, who have fun finding out how things work. NOT for professionals who need to use programs to do their work.

Gimp is no exception IMO.

Re:This can't be true (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7455469)

The user friendliness if 98% of these things is very bad. Good only for people, who have fun finding out how things work. NOT for professionals who need to use programs to do their work.

I Agree with that statement 100%. I have never had a problem with GIMP's image quality though. The default isn't great quality but you can change that. I'm sure you are awaer of that though. I think the gimp is one of if not the best and most complete opensource alternative to expensive profissional software.

Re:This can't be true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7462587)

I'm sure you are aware of that though.

Yes, sure.
But thats the point. I'am a physicist, not a graphic designer. And if the results with default settings are not what I want, I have to fiddle around and it takes a moment to find out a way to improve quality.

Thats a typical disadvantage of open source programs: The usecases have not carefully been thought through (with exceptions -> jedit again).

But of course, if you compare 600 Euro/USD for Photoshop and nothing for Gimp, this does not always count.

Re:This can't be true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7466326)

Yeah, that open-source is just NOT for professionals... That stuff like Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl, PHP, etc. are all 'NOT for professionals'

I use jEdit everyday to do my job, and last I checked, I was a professional...

(I just checked Photoshop, and there doesn't seem to be an 'arghhh' setting for JPEG compression?)

Re:This can't be true (1)

Tukla (5899) | more than 10 years ago | (#7467393)

Did anyone try to save an image as jpeg?

Sure, lots of them

The quality is arghhh.

That's precise. Can you link to some comparison images, complete with specifying what settings you used to save each image?

Here's an honest question: Isn't a JPEG a JPEG a JPEG? Isn't JPEG a standard format, or are there lots of different ways to sample and compress an image and still wind up with a JPEG file that can be opened by any other JPEG-capable app?

Good only for people, who have fun finding out how things work. NOT for professionals who need to use programs to do their work.

Are you implying that "professionals" are somehow born knowing how to use proprietary, closed-sourced software but not open-source?

Nobody knows how to use Photoshop the first time they try it than they know how to use GIMP.

My only beef with Gimp on X11 (1)

PeeweeJD (623974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7452867)

I installed Gimp using fink and fink commander (could not have been any easier). I run it on my Jaguar iMac using the latest pre-Panther beta of X11.

My only beef with it (and its really an X11 thing) is that when you switch from one pallette to another (which are different X11 windows) you have to click once to activate the window and then click again to select your tool (or whatever). It does not really work like a seamless application, even though it is.

Uninstall log (0)

hammarlund (568027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7453036)

Looking for an installation log so I can un-installation MacGimp. Nothing on the website. Does anyone know of one?

Warning: Biohazard! (2, Funny)

Tisephone (709174) | more than 10 years ago | (#7455993)

Using GIMP 1.2 may expose you to transmission of the dreaded "Debian Syndrome", a severe neurosis which is evidenced by the refusal to declare anything less then half a decade out of date as "stable".

The Gimp is wonderful, but... (1)

DFortress (90555) | more than 10 years ago | (#7459709)

I hate managing so many individual windows. Until this changes, I will have to avoid the gimp. I prefer a single window with everthing in it ( that can be hidden on command). Otherwise, when I do web graphics ( usually my reason for gimp ). Normally, I would need one browser window open, one text editor open for html, and 15 gimp windows open, it's just not my cup of tea.

Despite It's downfalls, I have to agree that a lot of hard work has gone in to the gimp, and it is an excellet tool. I just prefer a different UI style.

X11 on Jag? (1)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7465028)

Of course, it seems that Apple has removed the version of X11 for pre-Panther OS X computers, so you'll either have to compile it yourself or buy Panther.

Two minor details (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7467381)

X11 does not come as part of Panther by default. It's an optional install, just like it was for Jaguar.

Photo editing without color matching? I'll stick to my $30 Photoshop Elements, thanks.

Re:Two minor details (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7476982)

X11 does not come as part of Panther by default. It's an optional install, just like it was for Jaguar.

Yes it does, it's on the Panther install CDs. It is not installed by default, but it is included, and you can select during the installation process. X11 was not included with Jaguar; you had to download it.

Re:Two minor details (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7477259)

That's what I just said. It's not part of Panther, it's an optional install. Sure, it's included on the CDs. So are lots of things.
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