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Red Hat, SUSE Announce Educational Discounts

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the schools-and-penguins dept.

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geoff313 writes "Good news week for Linux users in the education field, as both Red Hat and SUSE have announced that they will provide academic discounts in an effort to attract "students and educational institutions." According to this article published on CNET, while both companies have decided to offer discounts, they are each going about it a different way. SUSE has begun to offer "schools, students, universities and nonprofit customers a discount of more than 40 percent through two sales partners, CCV Software and Ricis." Red Hat, on the other hand, plans to offer two new versions of its distributions, based on the Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) line. The first, aimed at students and named Red Hat Academic Desktop, will sell for $25 and is based on RHEL WS. The second, to be sold to schools and named Red Hat Academic Server, will sell for $50 and is based off RHEL ES. Both products will include online updates (presumably through its Red Hat Network) but will not include telephone support. Bulk pricing is also available, and administrative licenses will be available soon."

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FIRST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482714)

bwahahahaha! blackhawks down! take that evil empire! iraqi minutemen ROCK!

Re:FIRST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482833)

Yeah, they've been cleaning up recently. A bunch of zionists hit the past and a couple of fucking US retards as well. Actually I feel sorry for their families but it had to happen. Does anyone belive that invading Afghanistan and killing over 6000 civilians + invading IRAQ and killing over 15000 cibilians will stay unanswered ? All the families who lost their children, their spouses, their beloved ones ? And then US backing up the zionists but condemn the Palestinians who defend their ground ? I think if the US won't drive back quickly then it will enlighten the biggest fire ever. I have concerns already that this will have consequences for many dekades now. Sad but true.

Hmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482716)

Any truth to the rumour that Michael was fired?

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482721)

would steve Embalmer get fired if he started saying Linux is a better product than Windoze???

you bet Bill Pearly Gates would fire him in a minute...

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482752)

Ok.

Here's the insider-scoop. I work for OSDN and that's why I can't post here with my account.

The reason why Michael left was his dissatisfaction with the recent TacoSnotting sessions. Taco's getting old and drying up. Michael had to wear his SS-uniform extra neat and whip Taco's and Cowboy Neal's pasty white buttocks with extra vigour before sufficient amounts of TacoSnot were produced.

He's rumoured to be heading for K5. They need someone to update their moderation system and Michael's the one to do it.

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7483030)

hopefully this is true, and michael will soon be back on times square sucking cocks and turning tricks for pennies.

1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482717)

Woo hoo

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482720)

Is this to catch up with Microsoft? :-)

I think so (2, Insightful)

speedfreak_5 (546044) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482856)

They're charging $299 for their standard workstation desktop. That's right up there with XP Pro (pricewise).

Now if they had charged maybe 75 bucks instead of 300 bucks and included X hours of phone support, X hours of over-the-internet support, and 2 years of automatic patching that would be fairly cool, especially for people who are paying MS 300 bucks every 2 years for a shit OS and no support. But 300 dollars and 1 year of support? They could do better.

Re:I think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482912)

Remember that MS will provide patches for the life-span of the OS, but RedHat forces you to subscribe to their update plan... what utter bullshit.

Re:I think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7483000)

They don't force you to subscribe. Nothing but your ignorance is stopping you from getting off your lazy ass and checking for updates yourself! Hell since the code is open, you can even get an update from a third party.

Now where is the patch from microsoft so I don't have to hide behind a forewall?

STFU Ballmer - I can smell the stench of your fear through the internet!

What utter bullshit you spread when you talk about your competition.

Re:I think so (1)

stealth.c (724419) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483103)

If you read the WindowsXP EULA, you will find that Microsoft goes out of their way to make absolutely no guarantee to you, the spender of $300, that they will support Windows in any way, or that Microsoft is, in the slightest, responsible for Windows at all. They MAY provide patches, but those patches have no quality guarantee either. Whether you get support for Windows is ENTIRELY UP TO MICROSOFT. Personally, I don't want my company/school/PC depending more on MS's agenda than its/our/my own.

RedHat supplies support that they constantly bet their reputation on. If you don't like their service, there are plenty of other bidders. Besides, a University can buy the $2500 license and all students get free copies of RHWS and patch support.

There's a little more at stake here than money. On top of better support, you avoid the licensing red tape of dealing with proprietary software (nobody's going to audit you for piracy), and an OS that better lends itself to education.

You don't need to subscribe either. yum and apt are prefectly wonderful free options for staying up to date.

Not really clear. (4, Insightful)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482726)

I understand what Red Hat is offering, as they no longer have a free version of their software. But, SuSE still offers a free FTP install. What does SuSE's academic version offer that the free FTP install does not?

Re:Not really clear. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482734)

support

Re:Not really clear. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482746)

Oompa Loompa doompadee dum
I'm CmdrTaco and I like to drink cum
Oompa Loompa doompadah dee
If you are a GNU/faggot you will listen to me

Who do you blame when you're covered in scat
Out with transexual hookers, high on smack?
Blaming the trolls is a lion of shame
You know exactly who's to blame:
CmdrTaco, Hemos, and their undeserved fame!

Oompa Loompa doompadee dah
If you're not using Linux then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee do!

GNU-elves (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482846)

We are free and fairly sober, with so much code to write
The machines are kinda tricky, probly someone will be killed
But we gladly work for nothing, which is good because we don't intend to pay
The GNU-elves are back to work today, hooray!

We have just a couple hours to write several billion lines,
and the labour isn't easy, and you'll all work triple hives
You can make the job go quicker if you turn up the controls to super speed
It's back to work on Xmas eve, hooray!

And though you're cold, and sore, and ugly,
Your pride will mask the pain
Let my happy smile warm your hearts there's a keyboard lodged in my brain

We are getting awfuly tired, and we can't work any faster, and we're very very sorry,
Why you selfish little bastards, do you want the kids to think
that CEO's just a crummy empty handed jerk?
Then shut your yaps and back to work

Now its very nearly Xmas and we've done the best we could,
These GUI controls are poorly made, and they're made from inferior code
I should give you all a beating but I really have to fly
If I weren't stuck here frozen I'd harpoon you in the eye
Now it's back into our tennaments to drown ourselves in rye

You did the best you could I guess and some of these drivers are okay
We are free and fairly sober, with so much code to write

Re:Not really clear. (4, Insightful)

numark (577503) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482886)

I'm guessing probably official support from the company. Free versions don't usually have support included.

Re:Not really clear. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482955)

Well, my guess is:
- Support
- Manuals
- Installation Medium (you can copy it for your students too, and it's easier/cheaper to install from those for many people).
- Some software like MuPad (computer algebra system), or RealPlayer which are not in the ftp server.

Re:Not really clear. (1)

MikeD83 (529104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483114)

You can only download the last release free of charge. The current release is only avaliable if you pay. For instance, Suse 9.0 is out; however, the mirrors only have Suse 8.2.

fuck you redhat and SUSE. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482728)

I'll keep my debian thx for $0, after all that is the point of free software.

Re:fuck you redhat and SUSE. (1)

gnu-generation-one (717590) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482794)

"I'll keep my debian thx for $0, after all that is the point of free software."

But not the point of Free Software.

I thought universities just downloaded it for free (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482730)

Now, I haven't been part of a university for several years, but don't universities these days have fairly fast Internet connections for the most part?

If you don't get telephone support with these products, which I thought was the main reason to actually spend money on a distribution anyway, why not just download them for free?

Re:I thought universities just downloaded it for f (3, Informative)

MSG (12810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482780)

Stability, in terms of having a consistant platform for an extended period of time, is worth a lot. This is particularly true when you've got a limited staff trying to support hundreds of terminals around a large campus. Distributions that you can "download for free" don't offer the guaranteed, extended lifetime that you're going to get from RHEL. At least, not with continuing security updates.

Re:I thought universities just downloaded it for f (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482961)

Distributions that you can "download for free" don't offer the guaranteed, extended lifetime that you're going to get from RHEL. At least, not with continuing security updates.

Mandrake?

Support (1)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482796)

If you want good tech support, you have to pay for it. And updates, but you can get those for free anyhow (but the paying custumers usually get peak-hours priority).

Re:I thought universities just downloaded it for f (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482835)

The way I understand it SuSe's FTP install is only available on i386 builds? Thats a significant reason to pay. Convenience of ISO's, and as other have noted priority updates. As for RHEL this is much awaited. Previously these deals were made if you talked to the right people but nothing on the website to point to saying you get it cheaper, You had to initiate the talks yourself.

Re:I thought universities just downloaded it for f (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482966)

To support SuSE? To burn the CDs for free for students who want them? (it is legal). That's what mine does even with a local mirror.

Rats Hate (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482736)

RED HATE

Technical support (3, Insightful)

Phoenix Dreamscape (205064) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482750)

"And Red Hat will offer more expensive but still discounted options for schools that want Red Hat technical support."

So you can buy it discounted with no support, or expensive with support. Why would anybody take the first option? There are plenty of free distributions with updates and no support...

I can give you free support in 2 words (2, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482764)

Local LUG

Yea I wish... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482849)

I live in a rather large metropolitan area and we have a couple of LUGs. The biggest and oldest LUG in my area has biweekly meetings at a half dozen different locations around the city so that the meeting location is as convenient as possible to the most people. All of the meetings are attended by a large turnout of regular longtime LUGgers as well as new people.

There is no shortage of people who wish to start screaming debates over why their distro is better or whether vi or emacs is more leet. Any LUGger is eager willing and able to do an install and install fests are very popular events. Additionally, most LUGgers are well capable of supporting your mp3 player of choice or getting you up on Gnuttella.

There is however a distinct lack of technical expertise in the LUG. Have you got a problem with the Postfix mail server at work? Well, most LUGgers will recommend you use Qmail or Exim but, beyond that they can't help. Some run Postfix and are eager to get their hands on your server but, they only run Postfix on their own workstation and haven't a clue how to manage a system with 500 concurrent users.

What I'm trying to say is that LUGs are typically great love ins but, they are rarely any help to a enterprise admin. When I have problems with Postfix it is a serious situation and I need knowledgeable help RIGHT NOW! (Thank you Wietse.) I don't need some hippie freak show telling me that I should run a different MTA or, my favorite, a different distro.

One more thing, a few meetings ago some dike actually wanted to burn incense at the meeting. I was against the idea but, lately the meetings have taken on an odor that is causing me to reconsider my opinion on the matter.

Re: Enterprise Admin (1)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482868)

What I'm trying to say is that LUGs are typically great love ins but, they are rarely any help to a enterprise admin

Don't take this the wrong way, but the purpose of a LUG isn't to provide hardcore engineering-level help. That's what a support contract with the vendor is for. Generally, the purpose of a lug is to provide hel for novice to semi-advanced linux users.

I can give you the extent of the support in 1 word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482958)

RTFM

Re:Technical support (2, Informative)

Geekbot (641878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482939)

Actually, this is a great deal. Geeks at academic institutions don't necessarily need phone support, or at least it's not cost effective in many cases. However, academics absolutely need the more stable Enterprise version of RH, not the new Fedora. Also, the updates and computer based support is essential for the professionals at the college to get their computers running as only they know how, but with the information they need and the updates to keep it stable.
As for students, this is a solid benefit. CS majors will want a linux distro that offers support. They will benefit from an extremely cheap OS and support system. And there's still the free version for hobbyists that do not need immediate professional support, or do not need it enough to pay for it. Personally, I like playing around on linux, I don't use it that much, and I'm cheap. I'd take the free version. But if I was in one of these two situations or in a situation where I needed enterprise level support I would jump at one of these deals from RH.

What a shame (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482754)

It seems surreal that something that was born and raised in academia is now offered for a "discount". What a shame.

Maybe RMS had a point.

To be fair (2, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482782)

You're not paying for the software itself which, as you said, came from Acadamia. You are paying the tech peoples' salaries and for the servers to host the updates on.

Re:What a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482792)

Lots of projects are worked on by universities which then create a company to market them (or go bankrupt).

Re:What a shame (1)

Telex4 (265980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482834)

It seems surreal that something that was born and raised in academia is now offered for a "discount". What a shame.

Maybe RMS had a point.


Maybe you should have another read of what RMS wrote. Remember free as in speech, not as in beer?

Free as in $25 (4, Interesting)

Fux the Penguin (724045) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482757)

I find this to be an interesting turn of events. At my university, they have site licenses for all of Microsoft's software, so you can get Windows XP for precisely $0 dollars. Now, my classmates will have the opportunity to purchase RedHat or SuSE for a mere $25!

Oh, what a world, when Windows is cheaper for students than Linux.

at the local universities around here (0)

waspleg (316038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482817)

they have deals w/ M$ that allow them to sell "educational" versions of everything they make for $5 a cd (so like, when i got visual studio a copule years ago it was $25 for 5 disks)the only difference between educational and full versions is that the product keys and activations have been pre-installed/disabled... in exchange fo this access the universities basically promise to not use or teach anything other than M$ products. So, would you rather have a $5 copy of xp or a $25 copy of redhat who has officially cut their desktop aspirations.

As a redhat stock holder, I'm extremely disappointed with the recent changes redhat has made, when they IPO'd and I got the stock as soon I could, not because I particularly liked redhat, I don't, I've nver used it as my primary OS and I prefer many other flavors of Linux over it; however I saw in redhat the best chance at a real competitor to microsoft; and now they are not. I'm working on getting rid of my stock. I advise other people to do the same thing. It's sad that the real RedHat vision had to die because I would have liked to see M$ running scared with something other than billy's old buddy's OS gaining market share.

Re:at the local universities around here (1)

PPGMD (679725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482917)

Many University are part of the Campus Lisence program where they get Unlimited free copies to many of the Microsoft programs. They do this thourgh the Volume lisence program, so it has no activation. Now the University can decide how to distribute it, the college I went to gave you a copy of Office during "dis"-orientation, and you could check most of the other Microsoft products out at the Library. If you wanted a copy of your own, you could purchase it at the bookstore for the educational discount rate.

At another school that I visited when you signed up for a class, the cost of CD-R's were included with the lab fees and copies were given out during the first couple of classes. And at another school that I visited you got a form, where you can give them CD-Rs, and they will copy it for you, if you were in a class that needed it.

Though that doesn't nessarly mean that the school has to go MS only, at the school that a went to, most of their servers were *nix, and at one of the other schools that I visited they had Linux, and Oracle classes.

Personally I believe most schools teach Microsoft products because they are easier to use, particularlly when you are dealing with Elective students that barely know how the surf the net, let alone with within an IDE.

Re:at the local universities around here (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482920)

As a redhat stock holder, I'm extremely disappointed with the recent changes redhat has made, when they IPO'd and I got the stock as soon I could, not because I particularly liked redhat, I don't, I've nver used it as my primary OS and I prefer many other flavors of Linux over it; however I saw in redhat the best chance at a real competitor to microsoft; and now they are not.

How so?

They still sell and support a workstation product (Red Hat WS), and while they take the official position that it isn't ready for general (ie. home) desktop use, I haven't seen any statements to the effect that they don't still believe in Linux on the *corporate* desktop.

Just because they've made "Red Hat Linux" into "Fedora Linux" and stopped selling support for it such that their lowest-end supported desktop product is Red Hat WS, doesn't mean they're entirely out of the race.

Re:at the local universities around here (4, Insightful)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483064)

Red Hat didn't cut their desktop aspirations, they opened their development model and allowed outsiders to contribute to what the product should be. It's called Fedora. It's Red Hat sponsored. They were not making any real money off of Red Hat free version, so why bother keeping something that looses money. They created Fedora out of it, so the community can keep it going, while they focus on where the real money is, the enterprise industry, where companies actually need support for their product, and are not going to use some LUG group. Maybe you should think about why they did what they did instead of shooting them down, as if they are really pulling away from Linux.

Re:Free as in $25 (1)

Adolph_Hitler (713286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482829)

This is good, I'm happy that Redhat is deciding to do this as a student myself. Now I'm considering purchasing Redhat, $25 is reasonable.

Re:Free as in $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482938)

I hope you are taking a few English courses! Read what you wrote and tell me what is wrong with it.

Re:Free as in $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482842)

You should compare $25 with the cost of site license divided by the number of users.

Re:Free as in $25 (2, Informative)

jason.stover (602933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482907)

At the College where I work, our CS department uses the MSDN-AA [msdnaa.net] agreement. Basically, students can get any MS product that we teach, and a lot not taught, at no cost.

The problem is the product keys. The student needs to get a different product key every time the OS, program, etc is re-installed. So, say they're working on a Server 2003 build, and screw it up totally when setting up an Active Directory. They need to re-log into Microsofts MSDN-AA site, request another Key, etc...

All in all it's a great Academic program for the Microsoft crowd. If I was a MS type, I'm sure I'd use it more (staff can take any MS product we have, install at home, etc...).

-J

Site Licence Windows not really free (4, Informative)

SpaFF (18764) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482987)

Uhm, that's not how it works. Your University shelled out a ton of cash for students to be able to have those free copies of Windows.

And if you read the article you would have seen that Redhat is also offering Universities a site licence deal: $2,500 for unlimited copies of WS. That's a hell of a lot cheaper than what your University paid for an MS site license.

Re:Free as in $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482988)

someone should end your life you miserable little spinmeister

Re:Free as in $25 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482991)

> Oh, what a world, when Windows is cheaper for students than Linux.

How is this insightful or even remotely accurate?

Re:Free as in $25 (1)

Heartz (562803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483066)

You have paid for it mate. It was included in your tuition fee. Nothing in this world is free. There's always associated costs, yes, even with free software.

Re:Free as in $25 (2, Informative)

pp (4753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483079)

No. For the Microsoft campus licenses you still need to buy an OEM Windows license for every machine (around $100). This lets you install
any version of Windows, Office and Visual Studio
on the machine. If you don't have one, your "free" XP is as illegal as it is if you warezed it off the net.

Of course, your university pays something in the range of hundreds of thousands to millions of
dollars / year for the contract, but since that's
not out of your pocket (apart from tuition or taxes), it's obviously a really great deal every university should buy into!

Compare this to the $2500 site license that article mentions for RHEL, assuming that happens. I hope it will, that would give students a possibility to get a long-term supported OS for free, or if they feel like it suits them better, they can use Fedora or Debian (also for free).

Re:Free as in $25 (1)

Mr.Ned (79679) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483127)

RTFA. For $2,500, any school can offer its students as many free versions of the Academic as they'd like, complete with security updates for the lifetime of the product.

Two big stupidity points (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482766)

  1. When Microsoft does this it's "pandering"; when Red Hat and SuSE do it it's "good news".
  2. How the fuck do you give a discount on free software?

Re:Two big stupidity points (1)

jasonbowen (683345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482927)

One big stupidty point, they are selling support, not the operating system. You are free to roll your own or keep all your software up to date with the latest bug and security fixes on your own, but a lot of people don't want to do that, hence the success of SuSE and Redhat.

Nice, but I'm (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482776)

being perfectly happy with fedora, (yum and apt rock).

All the things in Eugenia's rantings are already solvedand I have best distro up until now, at least as far as it concerns me.

Anyway still nice that RH is extending support for commercial desktop.

Eugenia is full of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482787)

Yeah Eugenia is definately full of freaking shit.

Re:Nice, but I'm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482800)

The problem with Eugenia and OSNews is that she acts there like a nazi. Only her own shit counts there. Basically it's a one person Slashdot. Instead people debatting about articles she debattes about people there and flame them for their opinions.

She created a very bad reputation on the once nice OSNews and she does everything to become the top most hated person.

Re:Nice, but I'm (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482871)

yep, basically if Linux isn't Slackware describe all external weakpoints, if it is Slackware describe every theme just to get more favorable text. Well, it's easy to describe weak points against better, just to get another viewpoint that messes up facts

I mean if someone is doing detailed distribution evaluation about system internals (like compiling and samba settings), that one should be at least computer literate.

Re:Nice, but I'm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482852)

I was sort of pissed off at Red Hat. But what the hell, I downloaded a couple of dozen Fedora rpms and did a manual install to get a basic Fedora system up and running.

It's not bad at all. I was all prepared to slag it, but Fedora really is OK. You could call it Red Hat 10. Nothing weird or different. Very stable. People who know Red Hat won't be disappointed. The real question is whether or not Fedora is going to diverge away from Red Hat, or if it will track RHEL.

Re:Nice, but I'm (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482899)

The real question is whether or not Fedora is going to diverge away from Red Hat, or if it will track RHEL

Fact that Fedoa is RHEL testbed should tell you that you've messed up the facts, RHEL will track Fedora not the opposite

Discount on Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482806)

I though it was free.

Re:Discount on Linux? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482814)

.. yes, it was :)

Well (2, Interesting)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482819)

some people just can't imagine using software without spending some money. I guess this will appeal to them. It'd still make more sense to buy one of those 'Linux in 20 days' kinda books and use that though. That's how I got started with Redhat 6.2.

Evaluation (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482832)

Our institution was just recently approached by Red Hat who wanted a high-profile academic client to showcase. We had been sitting on the fence in regards to our next upgrade cycle. We found that the network abstraction layer on most of Windows 9x/Me desktops would no longer work with the .NET Framework which we had deployed on on our Sun Solaris 9 servers. So, the logical choice was Windows 2000 or XP, but we did not like the licensing presented in Service Pack 3 and 2 respectively.

After much debate within the different research groups, it was at an opportune time that Red Hat approached us. We deployed their KDE desktop, along with the video-edition of GIMP in most of our audio-visual labs. We've gained quite a bit of bandwidth since we no longer have to support NetBIOS broadcasts in our network and core routers.

Our only concern are the Cisco routers and their compability with RH9, but we were planning on deploying Neoteris SSL VPNs anyways.

Which is nice.

Re:Evaluation (1)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482906)

Our only concern are the Cisco routers and their compability with RH9

Can you elaborate on this? I'm not aware of any compatibility issues between RH9 and Cisco routers. Frankly, I'm wondering how there could possibly be issues.

Awww man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482837)

And I just finished upgrading my redhat systems to fedora. Oh well, guess i'll save 25 bucks...

... beer anyone?

Free as in free scat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482859)

... scat anyone ?

Not software libre (3, Insightful)

etymxris (121288) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482844)

Red Hat does an end run around the GPL forcing customers to buy a support contract for every installation, and key components of SuSE have been proprietary since the beginning.

Just use something else, don't reward these companies. If you're thinking of taking Red Hat or SuSE up on these offers, look elsewhere. Mandrake, Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, from scratch, whatever. You're a student--you're time is cheap. And if you actually want to learn something from using Linux, none of the commercial distros are the way to go.

Non-Profit and serious discounts! (4, Interesting)

bfree (113420) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482850)

As I read through this story I was thinking that it was quite predictable and boring until I noticed that Suse were including nonprofits! It is certainly a significant manouver if a nonprofit can now get (for example) OpenExchange w/50 CALs for $499 (the ccv academic price) and included in that is telephone support! In fact they can kit out a 50 user office with OpenExchange server ($499), Suse Desktop (5*$399) and Enterprise Server ($399) with one years support for a grand total of $2893 or $58.76/desktop. It's not as good as getting it all free, but support isn't free and that is going to be a hard price for anyone to beat (I think). Would you support a 50 seat setup like that for $3k/annum?

Ok so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482855)

I'm a student, I download RedHat.. they pay me??

No thanks Redhat (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482862)

With Redhat changing their EOL, business model, and offerings every 6 months, I have no interest in purchasing redhat products. I have a long rant about Redhat on my journal [slashdot.org] . I just setup a new server yesterday using a netinstall CD from debian and because Penn State has their own debian mirror, the install took less than 30 mins. The dual 3ghz xeon and debian's new beta installer helped speed things up too. If I need to get pay support for debian its available [debian.org] . I use to avoid debian because of the elitist culture and the distro's political association with the whole GNU/ controversy but Redhat is no longer a viable option as an inexpensive server os.

Re:No thanks Redhat (3, Interesting)

elflord (9269) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483016)

I think there are probably a lot of people who share your views. I'm a .edu user, and we're migrating our university machines to debian. Next distro on my home machine will also be debian. I started using RH about the same time as you (RH4.1 up to 7.3 ... never upgraded to 8.0) and avoided Debian for similar reasons. But moved to debian for similar reasons. It's not just about the money, it's about their new release management policies.

The Martian Chronicles qoute comes to mind (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482882)

"What's half of nothing?"

(for those that don't know, a Martain gave a human the deed to half of Mars. That quote is what the human said after the Martain left)

Discounts... what "services" do you really get (2, Insightful)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482896)

I'm a university student. I don't mind supporting the open source community in any way I can. For example, I've purchased the official Slackware CDs occassionally.

I don't see how/why its beneficial to sell Linux educational discounts for their desktop distro when I can get it for free from the 'Net or for that matter get a different distro for free.

OTOH, I'm using Windows XP Pro right now. I purchased it through my university's bookstore for about 50% off (it was $120 Can if I recall). Its was a great deal and I took advantage of it.

FINALLY! (0, Offtopic)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482921)

Romper Room linux v.1 kernel 2.43252436987654092435 rev1

lynx -dump politrix.org/segment/index.php|\
grep e++a|\
sed 's/esb/ s/g;s/eq/il /g;s/yZ/ is /g;s/\+\+a/ a /g;s/Wi/ pi/g;s/Jg/p /g'|\
cut -f "1,2,4,6,8" -d ' '|\
grep -v "lynx\|wget"

Great News, RH respects /. (1)

Geekbot (641878) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482923)

This is great news as this addresses some very angry complaints in the Interview section that the academics had for RH. Goes to show that a strong community of professions with valid concerns and good suggestions can make a significant impact on businesses.

Now why cant they do that for the consumer (1)

Bruha (412869) | more than 10 years ago | (#7482934)

The average Linux consumer would happily bone up 25 dollars to get RH workstation I'm sure. But at 179 per desktop that still makes Windows just as attractive.

The average user don't use Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482949)

.. because it's for geeks. But some dumb zealots and commercial dumbfucks want to make another Microsoft Windows out of it.

Re:The average user don't use Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482983)

those 'commercial dumbfucks' are the reason you have dedicated professionals hacking on your kernel, gcc, gnome, kde and tons of other software dickhead. take away the commercial players and there is no such thing as interface guidelines, you no longer have 50,000 kernel threads you have 2,000. ah hell with it, i'm tired of explaining shit to idiots.

Re:The average user don't use Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7483102)

If you can't explain things then you are obviously a bigger idiot than me :)

pateNTdead eyecon0meter still free/educational (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482950)

as with the creators' newclear power, & planet/population rescue initiatives: this stuff is unbreakable, & wwworks on several (more than 3) dimensions.

'big science' will have to 'discover' it's conscience before it can tap into this stuff.

Two programs got the nod, so far. The top priority is planet/population rescue. Other goals mandated include the permanent disempowerment of unprecedented evile, & assurance that the planet/population is around to enjoy the gnu millennium of open/honest communications/commerce. Your grandchildren will survive to produce additional uses for the powers that are rescuing us from the greed/fear/ego based life0cide, as the lights come up...

consult with/trust in yOUR creator... get ready to see the light. there's never a cover charge/subscription fee. see you there? tell 'em robbIE?

even more corepirate nazi schemes eXPosed?

& what dispositions are to be considered for the felonious payper liesense softwar gangsters as they are rendered invalid, & more&more of their phonIE stock markup scams are known? maybe they'll 'release' linus, & put fuddles et ALL, in prison.

then, let's say fuddles IS the greed/fear/ego based massturdmined softwar gangster bankrolling the phonIE ?pr? ?firm? scriptdead attacks on the hobbyist dogooders. can we say fud wants more, has a conscience deficit, & no regard for the public/his hostages? we could easily say that.

talk about fauxking wags?

nothing gnu about this phonIE ?pr? ?firm? softwar gangster scriptdead crud:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8& oe =UTF-8&q=microsoft+%22bill+weisgerber%22&btnG=Goog le+Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8& oe =UTF-8&q=microsoft+%22sanjay+ahuja%22&btnG=Google+ Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8& oe =UTF-8&q=microsoft+attacks+linux+open+source&btnG= Google+Search

wag on at: http://www.trustworthycomputing.com

felonious softwar gangster execrable hired goons?

what else could it be?

Open Source Devs == Money Making Machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7482973)

I am involved in many open source projects and paying for a Distribution would be like paying for the software that I have been contributing to or written on my own.

The entire open source movement is just a marketing hype and becomes a big ripoff of those who contribute. Those who spent hours and days into developing stuff. Well there is nothing against writing open source but the commercial interests behind it is nothing else than a big 'money making machine'.

How nice for them. (1)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483002)

Although, I don't see how this will work. Almost all of the students I know use something free as in free, like Debian, Slack, Gentoo, or downloaded Mandrake. I'm the odd one out using SuSE, have done the best part of half a decade. The computing service's Linux cluster runs Debian. Anyone who wants to try out a Linux OS can get it for free already, so being able to get it for cheap from someone else isn't going to turn any heads.

I keep seeing folks say there is no free Redhat... (3, Insightful)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483021)

I keep seeing people say that 'Redhat Linux' is not free. That is not entirely true.

Basically, what Redhat has done is forked their distribution, providing what they call 'Redhat Enterprise' as a 'stable' fully supported (and thus with a dollar cost associated with it) distribution targeted at businesses, and 'Fedora' [redhat.com] , a 'development' platform for use by open source contributors and linux enthusiasts (a free downloadable distribution). Items that Redhat sees as valuable for the 'Enterprise' will be rolled from Fedora into the Redhat Enterprise product.

Redhat is pushing their 'Enterprise' product as being gold-plated and stable for businesses, and by definition, conversely that 'Fedora' is a toy. That is probably not very accurate an assumption - and serves to put more money in Red Hat's bank account more than anything else. Of course, the money will be coming from businesses - so who cares?

Currently I am running Redhat 8.1 and Slackware on my machines. I am seriously considering going 100% Slackware if Fedora turns into a seriously uncompatable fork - compared to other stable distributions. On the other hand, Fedora might free developers to build some really neat things into the distribution for desktop home users - such as industrial strength WineX out of the box for Gamers etc... It might just be the shot in the arm that linux on the desktop needs to gain momentum. I guess what I am saying is 'we shall see'.

I'm moving from redhat... (0, Troll)

mix_master_mike (540678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483035)

I've been using redhat for a couple of years now and truely enjoyed their free RHN. Now that they won't be offering a free product, only Fedora, I'm going to start calling it "[Dead]hat" - feel free to use

Calm down, people. (4, Insightful)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483062)

It's about the books, the docs and the support. In SuSE that is, at least. That's what distros are about.
SuSE is the best n00b distro I know. They've got dead tree docs included that make up for almost an entire Linux library, their support is fair, square and actually has a clue and their YaST install procedure rocks. You get a stack of CDs and a DVD (with all the stuff on that again, so you can easyly hand out a copy and keep another).
And, for a distro-look customized appearance, their desktop is way cool too.
THAT's what distros are all about. And THATs precisely what you get a discount on if you're a poor student looking into the OSS world. If that's still to much, fair enough. Go download the distro, copy it from a friend (legal that is, of course) or switch to debian, gentoo or whatever. But then you won't have that stack of books and no hotline keycode either. Of course.

RTFA!!! (2, Interesting)

univgeek (442857) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483107)

Most people seem to think this is going to be very expensive for schools. However, RedHat is offering a full site license for $2500 p.a. This is nothing for a univ. The univ can also setup a local RHN update mirror, further cutting down on bandwidth costs.

Our univ. is on RH 9.0 now, and they use the free Pink Tie CD's. After the reports of Fedora's instability, the SysAdmins have kind of 'rebelled' and are asking for RH WS for the systems they admin. This agreement for $2,500 makes perfect sense in this scenario. The Uni already has substantial support people, and are going to require RH resources very very infrequently.

So RTFA before you assume the RH solution is going to be more expensive...

Great timing ... (4, Interesting)

Frater 219 (1455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483122)

Check this out. [slashdot.org]

A couple of days ago, Slashdot announces an interview with the CEO of Red Hat. I ask, more or less, "Why the hell don't you have educational discounts?" The question goes to +5, which presumably means it gets forwarded to CEO Szulik. Other posters from educational institutions follow-up my post, to the effect that they are already planning to abandon Red Hat rather than eat the steep price hike to Red Hat Enterprise.

And now, Red Hat has educational discounts.

Hmm, Mandrake is free for Everyone . . . (1)

Idou (572394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7483151)

and it usually does a better job finding the user's hardware.

Kind of makes you want to become a member [mandrakeclub.com] .
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