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Apple Claims Ownership of Shareware

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the we-takes-it-now-we-does dept.

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(54)T-Dub writes "Cricket Media recently released 'Netflix Fanatic', an OSX based shareware app that lets you manage your rental queue without logging on to Netflix. An article on Think Secret reveals the reason behind it's mysterious disappearance. Apparently the developer's employer, Apple, has claimed ownership over the application's name and source code. The developer claims that under Section 2870 of the California Labor Code this is illegal. The law states that if a company has an employment agreement with provisions saying employees must assign the rights of their inventions to their employer, those sections do not apply if the employee developed it on his or her own time, without using the employer's equipment, supplies, facilities, or trade secret information. Within Apple, there's unsubstantiated speculation that Apple wants to include the Netflix Fanatic code in a new version of Sherlock." Also, they're presumably not too worried with employee morale.

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apple? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501738)

more like CRAPPLE am i rite folks?

Re:apple? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501797)

*rimshot*

Fuckin' genius, man. That's a classic!

Re:apple? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501821)

No, you're actually a fucking idiot.

Re:apple? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501868)

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Apple stinks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501742)

Really, with a first post like this, who can blame them?

I can't wait! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501752)

I can't wait for all of the Microsoft comparisons, and then for all of the Apple-worshippers to defend Apple to the bitter end.

Let the flames begin!

Re:I can't wait! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501766)

yeah, the Apple fanatics are just as bad, if not worse, than the Linux cocksuckers...

Re:I can't wait! (1, Insightful)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501864)

I've always been amazed at how badly Apple treats everyone from their employees to their dealers. The dealers have been beaten bloody for years, but they keep on coming back. If that isn't zealotry, I don't know what is.

Apple, what's your problem? (4, Insightful)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501753)

Just buy the program off the guy and everybody's happy! They have to know that getting involved in something like this is only going to hurt their reputation! Lest we forget SCO...

Besides, I don't think they said "Please?"

Re:Apple, what's your problem? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501786)

Why should they buy the program if they have legal grounds to believe they already own it?

Re:Apple, what's your problem? (4, Funny)

scovetta (632629) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501846)

Apple: "We'll give you your old job back if you give us the program"

Developer: "What do you mean?... oh.."

Re:Apple, what's your problem? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501877)

I don't know why everyone is acting so surprised. Apple have a long and well known history of stealing. They stole the Apple II from Steve Wozniak. They stole the GUI from Bill Gates when he was working as a copier repair man at Xerox (Still, he got the last laugh!) They stole the iMac from Maynards Wine Gums. They stole the "desklamp" Mac from Ikea. Everything they have ever done has been stolen. This is nothing, and any Apple employee should expect such behavour.

Re:Apple, what's your problem? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501936)

Well you stole my heart.

Shocking... (3, Insightful)

moehoward (668736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501756)

Yet another slashdot story filled with rampant speculation and innuendo.

So, let's all rant and rave for 500 messages. Then, in 3 days, the real story will come out and be the complete opposite. And it won't ever be mentioned again on slashdot.

Knee-jerk-pot-smoking hippies! The whole bunch of you!

Re:Shocking... (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501775)

if only it were sexual innuendo. at least then the discussion would be interesting

Re:Shocking... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501806)

Try reading at level 0 or -1 if that kind of thing floats your boat.

Like this! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501954)

This is a true story. It was nearly seventeen years ago that i began my training as Mistress Michelle's sex slave. i was twenty-four when i signed myself over to Her and not really that experienced sexually. But i was eager to explore new sexual horizons and expand my limits. i wanted to be degraded and humiliated, and i asked Mistress Michelle to do this to me. She realized my submissive nature and eagerly accepted me as one of Her slaves.

The phone rang and i jumped. i always jumped whenever the phone rang now. i was a slave and the property of Mistress Michelle. It was my duty to serve Her and to please Her in any manner possible. Of course, i had a new reason to be on edge, for a little more than a month now, Mistress Michelle had started me on a new training program, she was training me to fuck her dog. Yes, i'm talking about bestiality. Yes, i'm an animal fuck slave. i guess most people would be embarrassed if they had to admit that they've fucked more animals than women in their life, but as a slave, i've come to be proud of my accomplishments. I have in fact only used my penis eleven times in my life to fuck women; i've used it to fuck animals a good fifteen hundred to two thousand times. There's a reason for this which you'll learn as you continue reading.

It all began one day when Mistress Michelle called me up on the phone and told me to come over to Her place. When She let me in, it was to find that two of Her female friends where there with her. "gary, I have a problem, " my Mistress suddenly told me, "My dog, Duchess, went into heat and I don't want to have her fixed and deprive her of a sex life, but at the same time, don't want her to get pregnant fucking other dogs." She paused for a moment before continuing. "The solution is obvious - train a slave to fuck her and satisfy her sexual needs." i looked at Her blankly, "I've chosen you for this privilege!" i was shocked, i didn't know what to say. Mistress Michelle and Her friends were leering at me and began to laugh. i realized that i had an erection and my dick was throbbing wildly upon hearing the news. i knew immediately that i was going to do it - i also knew that's why Mistress Michelle chose me for this! "This position is permanent!" She went on, "I intend to fully train you as My dog fucker, you'll fuck other animals as well, but you'll fuck only animals from this moment on. I'm going to have you sign a contract agreeing only to fuck animals for the rest of your life!" "Yes, Mistress." i stammered. It's not everyday a slave has such mind blowing news is dropped upon them. But there comes a time in every slave's life where he or she is given an opportunity to truly submit themselves to their Master's or Mistress' will. This was my chance to prove myself worthy of my Mistress and to show Her i was completely Her slave and committed to satisfying Her desires. She produced the new contract i was to sign. i read it aloud while the three women listened. my voice cracked as i read the line in which i agreed to only fuck animals for the remainder of my life. The women watched as i signed the document before them. i knew that as i touched the pen to the paper that i would keep my word. i'm sure other slaves have made this same agreement, but even so, i have never met one. There were actually three copies. Mistress Michelle kept one and gave a copy to each of Her friends to hold as Her witnesses. Then one of Her other slaves brought Her dog, Duchess, into the room. Needless to say, a few minutes later, i found myself with my cock firmly planted inside the dog's body. Fucking the animal while my Mistress and Her friends watched and laughed at me brought me a new sense of freedom i had never experienced with any other form of sex. At last, my Mistress had found a purpose and use for my penis, and as the next few years passed, i realized that this was the reason i was born with one in the first place.

Anyhow, back to my story. The phone rang. i knew my Mistress was throwing a party this weekend for a couple dozen of her friends and She told me earlier in the week She might use my services to entertain them. my heart beat wildly as i answered. Yes! It was my Mistress...and yes! She wanted me to come over to Her house at 6 pm.

my entire body trembled with fright and anxiety as i drove my way to Mistress Michelle's home. i'd fucked Her dog, Duchess, a dozen times already and in front of a few of Her friends, but never anything like i was about to experience this night. i looked at my watch and it was nearly 6 pm, the time my Mistress ordered me to arrive. As i approached my Mistress' house, i found that several cars were already parked along the street already. i drove to the end of the street and parked, knowing that there would be more people coming and that they deserved better parking than i, a mere slave. i walked back to Mistress Michelle's house and went quietly to Her back porch where i stripped off my clothes and placed them in the box She had placed there for just this purpose. i stood there naked for a few moments, my body shivering in the cool Autumn breeze that caressed my bare skin. Anxiously, i knocked timidly on the door. A woman i knew from some of my Mistress' prior parties where i had served as a tongue and urinal slave answered. She took one look at me and turned her head back into the house and shouted, "Hey, everyone, the dog fucker's here!" God, i couldn't believe. What humiliation to have to suffer. Never in my life did i ever expect that i would be announced in such a manner. But she wasn't mistaken - that's who i was and what i am, "the dog fucker!" That's all i was. Any respect and dignity i once had for myself was gone and my penis was now reduced to nothing more than a "pet-pleasuring dildo." This was Mistress Michelle's term for my dick since it was only used to fuck animals. Mistress Michelle told me that Her whole purpose in training me this way was to completely wash away any desire i had to fuck anything other than animals so that i would want to spend my entire life as an animal fucker and nothing more. i entered the house and Mistress Michelle's guests watched me with interest as i walked into the living room. There were about nine people in the room and their glances told me that they were eager to see me perform tonight. No training in the world can prepare a slave for the utter shock and humiliation that one must endure while being trained as an animal fucker. You don't know what humiliation is until you're required to perform acts of bestiality in front of other people. But then, i was no longer a person or a human being, i was only an animal fucker. Even so, walking into that room was the most frightening experience of my life. But a thrill passed through my body as well, knowing that soon, i would be fucking Mistress Michelle's dog in front of everyone once the other guests arrived. i got down on my hands and knees in the center of the room. Some of Mistress Michelle's guests taunted me as i knelt there waiting for Her to lead out Her dog and give the order for me to begin fucking it. A few of my Mistress' guest came by to push their pussies or cocks into my face for me to pleasure them orally. Some of them pissed in my face and open mouth. By 8 pm, about a dozen more guests had arrived and Mistress Michelle decided it was time for the show to begin. My heart sunk as She announced that i was going to fuck Her dog. My Mistress led Duchess into the room and i could hear everyone begin to talk at once and laugh as She dragged me over to the animal. i raised myself up onto my knees and positioned myself directly behind Duchess. Every eye in the room was glued to my stiff penis as I grasped it with one hand and aimed towards the dog's pussy. i paused for a moment to catch my breath looking around the room at the audience. Everyone was here to see me do this, to see me fuck the dog. i had every intention of giving them all a good show. i pushed my hips forward and gasped as i touched the tip of my dick to the dog's hot wet fuck-hole. This was it, there was no more holding back, this was the reason i was there - it's the reason i'm alive! i thrust my hips forward once again sinking the head of my cock into the dog's shuddering body. "Oh, my God!" One woman choked out as she watched my penis slowly disappear inside the animal's body, others laughed openly as they watched me fuck the dog. i pulled back and pushed forward again making my cock slide deeper into the dog's slippery wet pussy. A few of Mistress Michelle's guest began to shower me with insults and ridicule as i continued to fuck my penis into the dog, some of her guests cheered me on, joyfully shouting at me to fuck the animal. i always found myself amazed and delighted by the intense heat of Duchess' pussy around my cock as i fucked it in and out of her. Before i knew it, my cock was completely buried inside the dog's quivering vagina. i could feel the animal's cunt clench at my penis as i pulled back. One woman screamed in thrilled joy as my dick reappeared, glistening wet with the dog's juices. i pushed forward once again, slipping my cock back into the dog's pussy. my body trembled as i moved my penis in and out of the dog's body in that endless rhythm of lust and pleasure. Again and again i moved my cock in and out of the animal's pussy, feeling Duchess shove back against me as i fucked her. My breathing came in ragged gasps and i could feel my orgasm building inside of me. In my mind as i fucked the dog images of everyone i'd ever known, family and friends, were all screaming at me, calling me a dog fucker...an animal fucker! Shouting out in absolute delight, i emptied my load deep inside the animal's body, the sound of my audience's laughter and clapping echoing in my ears. As the last of my seed shot into the dog's shivering body, i collapsed to the floor in absolute exhaustion, both physical and emotional. My audience goaded me as i lay there whimpering on the ground. But i wasn't allowed to stay down for long, my Mistress ordered me back up and soon i was sucking my own cum from the dog's pussy. The laughter in the room redoubled as everyone watched me swab my tongue into the dog's cunt, eating the animal out. By the time i was done, i was a sweaty, sticky mess. I performed two more shows during the course of the evening and loved every humiliating minute of it.

next thing you know (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501757)

they'll claim they own FreeBSD and Mach...

No logon required ? (1)

cwernli (18353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501758)

A [...] shareware app that lets you manage your rental queue without logging on to Netflix

Is it just me or does this really sound like "check your email without logging on to your mailserver" ?

Me slightly confused.

Re:No logon required ? (1)

kableh (155146) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501784)

Presumably means "manage your queue without (firing up a web browser and) logging on to Netflix"

Another Idiotic Rambling Apple Bashing Story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501759)

Yawn.

Why not in the Apple section? (1, Offtopic)

waitigetit (691345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501762)

Why is this story not in the Apple section? Do only positive stories go there or something?

because (2, Insightful)

Transient0 (175617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501911)

this isn't a story about apple so much as a story about employees rights to the fruits of their labor.

Application for new tub girl. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501763)

After Eugina Loli Queru [nero-online.org] , aka Tubgirl [tubgirl.com] left for a job in Linux consolting [newmobilecomputing.com] . We now have a position for a new tub girl. Job description and duties : To perform various acrobatics in a bath tub while shitting overyourself. Candidates must
  • Have at least 2 years linux experience
  • Have experience of online forums
  • 3 Years trolling Experience
This postion pays 10 Euros/h. Please send all resumes, CVs and portfolios to careers@tubgirl.com. No Phonecalls, Agencies, or Apple Zealots.

Re:Application for new tub girl. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501899)

I have 10 yeara of experience in Windows Server 2003 and I am a BeOS zealot. Can I still apply?

I'm a Republican! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501764)

Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'

See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears!

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

I'm a Democrat! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501945)

Oh, I'm a Democrat
I.ve got no small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'

See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

Christians! Straights!
Free marketeers!
Anti-Communist douche bags
Full o' pussy tears!

I'll drop some hate
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is a scam'!
Just like 'Nam!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're liberals! We work on HATE!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll call you racist and a homophobe
while we shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

Are they psychic? (3, Interesting)

Oakey (311319) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501765)

How did Apple find out that one of their employer's had created this?

Did he run around Apple HQ boasting about it? Seems a pretty dumb thing to do, these kinda of clauses (where employers maintain rights to your creations) seem pretty common.

Why didn't he release it under an alias?

Re:Are they psychic? (2, Insightful)

Carmelia (718891) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501828)

Why didn't he release it under an alias?

For the same reason you don't post anonymous on slashdot

Re:Are they psychic? (3, Insightful)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501855)

The idea behind shareware is that users will pay you for it. "if you like this program, leave an unmarked $10 bill under the garbage can by the northeast park entrance" isn't a viable business model.

de ja vu? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501768)

Isnt this on par for Apple? An employee develops something, and Steve Jobs rips it off?

How long... (4, Interesting)

mopslik (688435) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501769)

...until there are a flood of posters who mistakenly assume that the headline refers to Apple trying to claim ownership of the shareware concept? Perhaps "Apple Claims Ownership of Netflix" would have been better.

What do you expect from slashdot.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501882)

Professionalism?

LOL...I don't think so

Don't they always (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501771)

Don't empoyers always manage to steal your code and claim it as theirs and don't you do the same. I know I reuse code from personal projects in code for work. Naturally, it goes the other way as well.

Ok (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501776)

Apple apologists, form a line starting here.

code in your own time - not your own product??? (1)

whaley (6071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501780)

I can image the employer claiming ownership of
work done in their time, but how can you claim
anything on what people do in their own time. Unless ofcourse you copy some idea from work and make your own version of it.

Re:code in your own time - not your own product??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501817)

Master...

of...

the...

obvious!

Re:code in your own time - not your own product??? (5, Informative)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501843)

Because the boilerplate agreements that employees sign these days almost always have something in them to that effect. It's evil; it's also, in most cases, a condition of getting (or keeping) a job, and with the tech economy the way it is, most programmers will sign away the rights to their firstborn if it means getting paid enough.

I have to worry about this kind of thing all the time. I work in biotech, and am a grad student in comp. bio.; although the applications I develop for school are in a somewhat different field than those I develop for work, it's conceivable that my employer could lay claim to some of my academic work -- and, of course, that my school could lay claim to just about anything I do. By and large, I trust both my boss and my professors, but ... Does it suck? Hell yeah. Is there anything I can do about it? Not if I want a job and a degree.

Re:code in your own time - not your own product??? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501928)

This is a true story. It was nearly seventeen years ago that i began my training as Mistress Michelle's sex slave. i was twenty-four when i signed myself over to Her and not really that experienced sexually. But i was eager to explore new sexual horizons and expand my limits. i wanted to be degraded and humiliated, and i asked Mistress Michelle to do this to me. She realized my submissive nature and eagerly accepted me as one of Her slaves.

The phone rang and i jumped. i always jumped whenever the phone rang now. i was a slave and the property of Mistress Michelle. It was my duty to serve Her and to please Her in any manner possible. Of course, i had a new reason to be on edge, for a little more than a month now, Mistress Michelle had started me on a new training program, she was training me to fuck her dog. Yes, i'm talking about bestiality. Yes, i'm an animal fuck slave. i guess most people would be embarrassed if they had to admit that they've fucked more animals than women in their life, but as a slave, i've come to be proud of my accomplishments. I have in fact only used my penis eleven times in my life to fuck women; i've used it to fuck animals a good fifteen hundred to two thousand times. There's a reason for this which you'll learn as you continue reading.

It all began one day when Mistress Michelle called me up on the phone and told me to come over to Her place. When She let me in, it was to find that two of Her female friends where there with her. "gary, I have a problem, " my Mistress suddenly told me, "My dog, Duchess, went into heat and I don't want to have her fixed and deprive her of a sex life, but at the same time, don't want her to get pregnant fucking other dogs." She paused for a moment before continuing. "The solution is obvious - train a slave to fuck her and satisfy her sexual needs." i looked at Her blankly, "I've chosen you for this privilege!" i was shocked, i didn't know what to say. Mistress Michelle and Her friends were leering at me and began to laugh. i realized that i had an erection and my dick was throbbing wildly upon hearing the news. i knew immediately that i was going to do it - i also knew that's why Mistress Michelle chose me for this! "This position is permanent!" She went on, "I intend to fully train you as My dog fucker, you'll fuck other animals as well, but you'll fuck only animals from this moment on. I'm going to have you sign a contract agreeing only to fuck animals for the rest of your life!" "Yes, Mistress." i stammered. It's not everyday a slave has such mind blowing news is dropped upon them. But there comes a time in every slave's life where he or she is given an opportunity to truly submit themselves to their Master's or Mistress' will. This was my chance to prove myself worthy of my Mistress and to show Her i was completely Her slave and committed to satisfying Her desires. She produced the new contract i was to sign. i read it aloud while the three women listened. my voice cracked as i read the line in which i agreed to only fuck animals for the remainder of my life. The women watched as i signed the document before them. i knew that as i touched the pen to the paper that i would keep my word. i'm sure other slaves have made this same agreement, but even so, i have never met one. There were actually three copies. Mistress Michelle kept one and gave a copy to each of Her friends to hold as Her witnesses. Then one of Her other slaves brought Her dog, Duchess, into the room. Needless to say, a few minutes later, i found myself with my cock firmly planted inside the dog's body. Fucking the animal while my Mistress and Her friends watched and laughed at me brought me a new sense of freedom i had never experienced with any other form of sex. At last, my Mistress had found a purpose and use for my penis, and as the next few years passed, i realized that this was the reason i was born with one in the first place.

Anyhow, back to my story. The phone rang. i knew my Mistress was throwing a party this weekend for a couple dozen of her friends and She told me earlier in the week She might use my services to entertain them. my heart beat wildly as i answered. Yes! It was my Mistress...and yes! She wanted me to come over to Her house at 6 pm.

my entire body trembled with fright and anxiety as i drove my way to Mistress Michelle's home. i'd fucked Her dog, Duchess, a dozen times already and in front of a few of Her friends, but never anything like i was about to experience this night. i looked at my watch and it was nearly 6 pm, the time my Mistress ordered me to arrive. As i approached my Mistress' house, i found that several cars were already parked along the street already. i drove to the end of the street and parked, knowing that there would be more people coming and that they deserved better parking than i, a mere slave. i walked back to Mistress Michelle's house and went quietly to Her back porch where i stripped off my clothes and placed them in the box She had placed there for just this purpose. i stood there naked for a few moments, my body shivering in the cool Autumn breeze that caressed my bare skin. Anxiously, i knocked timidly on the door. A woman i knew from some of my Mistress' prior parties where i had served as a tongue and urinal slave answered. She took one look at me and turned her head back into the house and shouted, "Hey, everyone, the dog fucker's here!" God, i couldn't believe. What humiliation to have to suffer. Never in my life did i ever expect that i would be announced in such a manner. But she wasn't mistaken - that's who i was and what i am, "the dog fucker!" That's all i was. Any respect and dignity i once had for myself was gone and my penis was now reduced to nothing more than a "pet-pleasuring dildo." This was Mistress Michelle's term for my dick since it was only used to fuck animals. Mistress Michelle told me that Her whole purpose in training me this way was to completely wash away any desire i had to fuck anything other than animals so that i would want to spend my entire life as an animal fucker and nothing more. i entered the house and Mistress Michelle's guests watched me with interest as i walked into the living room. There were about nine people in the room and their glances told me that they were eager to see me perform tonight. No training in the world can prepare a slave for the utter shock and humiliation that one must endure while being trained as an animal fucker. You don't know what humiliation is until you're required to perform acts of bestiality in front of other people. But then, i was no longer a person or a human being, i was only an animal fucker. Even so, walking into that room was the most frightening experience of my life. But a thrill passed through my body as well, knowing that soon, i would be fucking Mistress Michelle's dog in front of everyone once the other guests arrived. i got down on my hands and knees in the center of the room. Some of Mistress Michelle's guests taunted me as i knelt there waiting for Her to lead out Her dog and give the order for me to begin fucking it. A few of my Mistress' guest came by to push their pussies or cocks into my face for me to pleasure them orally. Some of them pissed in my face and open mouth. By 8 pm, about a dozen more guests had arrived and Mistress Michelle decided it was time for the show to begin. My heart sunk as She announced that i was going to fuck Her dog. My Mistress led Duchess into the room and i could hear everyone begin to talk at once and laugh as She dragged me over to the animal. i raised myself up onto my knees and positioned myself directly behind Duchess. Every eye in the room was glued to my stiff penis as I grasped it with one hand and aimed towards the dog's pussy. i paused for a moment to catch my breath looking around the room at the audience. Everyone was here to see me do this, to see me fuck the dog. i had every intention of giving them all a good show. i pushed my hips forward and gasped as i touched the tip of my dick to the dog's hot wet fuck-hole. This was it, there was no more holding back, this was the reason i was there - it's the reason i'm alive! i thrust my hips forward once again sinking the head of my cock into the dog's shuddering body. "Oh, my God!" One woman choked out as she watched my penis slowly disappear inside the animal's body, others laughed openly as they watched me fuck the dog. i pulled back and pushed forward again making my cock slide deeper into the dog's slippery wet pussy. A few of Mistress Michelle's guest began to shower me with insults and ridicule as i continued to fuck my penis into the dog, some of her guests cheered me on, joyfully shouting at me to fuck the animal. i always found myself amazed and delighted by the intense heat of Duchess' pussy around my cock as i fucked it in and out of her. Before i knew it, my cock was completely buried inside the dog's quivering vagina. i could feel the animal's cunt clench at my penis as i pulled back. One woman screamed in thrilled joy as my dick reappeared, glistening wet with the dog's juices. i pushed forward once again, slipping my cock back into the dog's pussy. my body trembled as i moved my penis in and out of the dog's body in that endless rhythm of lust and pleasure. Again and again i moved my cock in and out of the animal's pussy, feeling Duchess shove back against me as i fucked her. My breathing came in ragged gasps and i could feel my orgasm building inside of me. In my mind as i fucked the dog images of everyone i'd ever known, family and friends, were all screaming at me, calling me a dog fucker...an animal fucker! Shouting out in absolute delight, i emptied my load deep inside the animal's body, the sound of my audience's laughter and clapping echoing in my ears. As the last of my seed shot into the dog's shivering body, i collapsed to the floor in absolute exhaustion, both physical and emotional. My audience goaded me as i lay there whimpering on the ground. But i wasn't allowed to stay down for long, my Mistress ordered me back up and soon i was sucking my own cum from the dog's pussy. The laughter in the room redoubled as everyone watched me swab my tongue into the dog's cunt, eating the animal out. By the time i was done, i was a sweaty, sticky mess. I performed two more shows during the course of the evening and loved every humiliating minute of it.

Re:code in your own time - not your own product??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501915)

I don't know a damn thing about this situation.
But what if the developer was using, pre-release
OSX development tools and OS at home that he/she
only had because of their development job at
Apple?? Would that constitute using the company's(Apple's) not the employee's software??
That would perhaps counteract the CA law, but it still wouldn't be very nice. :

Re:code in your own time - not your own product??? (4, Informative)

IWorkForMorons (679120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501947)

Hell...I had one company offer me a job with the conditions that 1) anything I code, at any time, belongs to them, 2) any ideas I have, at any time, belongs to them, 3) in the event the I leave the company, I would not work in any field that competes with them for at least 2 years. The theory behind the "any time" clause was that I *might* be influenced by my work and create something using that influence, therefore it was in their best interest to claim everything. The non-competition clause is standard, but if I had taken the job then I wouldn't have been able to take any programming job for 2 years considering their software *could possibly* be used in many fields. The entire contract was written to make sure they owned you. Someone could fight a lot of it in court, but considering you wouldn't have a job it would be hard to pay for a lawyer. I pity the poor bastards that work at that place...the entire thing was family-owned and run, and they worked 12 hour days. And they expected you to keep up with them when needed, which was pretty much all the time. Some jobs just aren't worth taking, no matter how desparate you are.

Other Laws? (3, Interesting)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501785)

Does anyone know of any simular such laws outside of california?

Re:Other Laws? (2, Informative)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501854)

Such laws are actually very common - certainly here in Britain. The hard part is to try and enforce them, I'm rather surprised Apple is doing so. In some industries it's also common to try and prevent temporary workers employed through agencies to take full time employment with the same company - the agencies often have ludicrous clauses that try and extract fees from both parties, no one ever pays them, of course.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501787)

"The more corrupt the state, the numerous the laws."

At first I thought (-1, Troll)

dcocos (128532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501788)

After reading the headline I thought Apple claimed a patent on the concept of "shareware"

Re:At first I thought (0)

beady (710116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501832)

Thank god I wasn't the only one who thought that... I'm not the only 'tard!

Order Frenzy (3, Funny)

jonatanw (667696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501789)

Maybe Steve Jobs order a lot of DVD's online... He needs to streamline the ordering process.

Apple compote (1, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501790)

I recently saw many Apple bashing articles such as this one, the one about using iTunes windows with old OSX only iPods, etc.
I think it's becoming almost annoying as the omnipresent MS-bashing articles.
Please, post about innovations, not about such idiocies, otherwise it doesn't matter.

Re:Apple compote (1)

Mukaikubo (724906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501826)

Okay, but only if we simultaneously declare a moratorium on all anti-Microsoft posts. Oh wait, without people bashing people, Slashdot stops being so big...

Re:Apple compote (0, Offtopic)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501921)

BTW, /. just rejected the following submission :
Apple [apple.com] just released a new 20 inch TFT iMac (other specs remain close to the existing 17 inch model. They also released a new bi-1.8GHz G5 Powermac.

This is whhat I called "innovation" : a cheap but powerful iMac with a 20" inch screen.

Would they rather call them evil than seducing ?

Re:Apple compote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501942)

Please, a cheap iMac? That's like saying Porsche is selling an affordable sports car.

Not sure about California... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501791)

At the University where I was employed, my boss wrote a little Mac program to do cluster logging for the campus clusters. He was a Mac developer, using his own machines (at home) and on his own time. He simply installed it on the clusters at work to solve a problem. When he later uninstalled it, he was ordered to put it back on or face unemployment. When he refused, they escorted him off campus and mailed his things to him.

Apparently, some employers own your intellectual property, inventions, etc. unless you have an explicit agreement otherwise. I know this exists outside of Academia... if Apple's employee agreement says otherwise, perhaps it can override the state code.

Re:Not sure about California... (0)

Horny Smurf (590916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501891)

That works great for me. Maybe next time I'm caught drunk driving, or having sex with a hooker, my employer will go to jail instead of me?

That's how it works... (5, Informative)

davidu (18) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501794)

I hate to say it, but that's how it works. Companies do this all the time and I'm sure apple will make it right.

Let's take the Stickies application written by Jens Alfke for example:

For a while it looked as though Apple was going to get Antler Notes / Stickies at no cost -- wotta deal! As it happened, however, some of the nice people mentioned earlier in this story arranged for me to get a bonus, not officially in any way related to Stickies of course, but it made me feel better.

You can read the whole story about how Jens wrote the stickies program as an Apple employee and had it claimed as Apple's while they made sure it was dealt with at the same time here [mooseyard.com] .

-davidu

Re:That's how it works... (5, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501898)

Companies do this all the time and I'm sure apple will make it right.

Buying you flowers and candy after they've ravaged your ass, does not "make it right".

If you or I so much as copy a song, it's a crime; if a large corporation claims to own your creation, it's buiness as usual. Welcome to modern corporate capitalism.

I, For One, (3, Funny)

Tsali (594389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501795)

...Am shocked that a corporation would dare do such a thing.

Now, what's the article about again?

the lesson... (5, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501798)

I felt like I was being a little paranoid when I demanded that my last contract - which stated that my "full productive capacity" belonged to my employer - be modified to make it clear that work I did on my time was my own.

Heh. I'll never silly about making such demands again.

Read your contracts, folks. Point out absurdities ("all your thoughts are belong to us") and refuse to sign until they're fixed. If they say "well, we don't mean that..." - get it in writing.

Re:the lesson... (2, Interesting)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501834)

In mine, they agreed to add : GPL'ed creations should remain as such.

Re:the lesson... (2, Informative)

unborn (415272) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501952)

Know your rights!:

California Labor Code Section 2870:

Employment agreements, assignment of rights:
Any provision in an employment agreement which provides that an employee shall assign or offer to assign any of his or her rights in an invention to his or her employer shall NOT apply to an invention for which no equipment, supplies, facility or trade secret information of the employer was used and which was developed entierly on the employee's own time, and (a) which does not relate (1) to the business of the employer or (2) to the employer's actual or demonstrably anticipated research or development, or (b) which does not result from any work performed by the employee for the employer. Any provision which purports to apply to such an invention is to that extent against the public policy of this state and is to that extent, void and unenforceable.

Similar Contracts (1)

darkstar949 (697933) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501800)

I have read that many companies have similar contracts with employees (My current employer as well) that state that the company has ownership of all code and IP developed while working on company time; however, I have always been under the impression that as soon as I sit down at my computer at home I'm on my own time. As far as I am aware this is also the first case of a situation such as this one occurring; this could mean bad things for developers if Apple is able to make good with their claim.

Re:Similar Contracts (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501900)

> I have always been under the impression that as soon
> as I sit down at my computer at home I'm on my own time

I've heard of companies that specifically claim work done on the employee's own time for the duration of employment, plus of course the standard x-year non-compete after leaving.

What Does It Take To Be A Mod Like CowboyNeal? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501801)

other than just being a fucking moron?

Time to switch to Linux. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501807)

Throw out that $3000 cheese Grater and buy your self a nice Linux box, but don't switch to Redhat, Gnome or Debian, they are evil too.

Did he pay his Mac Tax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501809)

Maybe this is why Apple took his program. After all Apple OS X is a proprietary operating system on top of proprietary hardware with a single user GUI kludged with a multi-user extension. It is based on FreeBSD hence the name FeeBSD.

Remember if you haven't paid your Mac tax you may be next on the Apple hit list.

Offshored to India (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501814)

If Apple is like the rest of the industry, morale is already rock-bottom. There are only three options:

1) your job is going to India
2) your job is going to China
3) your job hasn't been offshored... yet

Face it: bean-counters don't care about any of us.

Very little information... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501816)

So who's to say this app wan't developed with Apple's "equipment, supplies, facilities, or trade secret information"? I'm failing to see any in depth information regarding Apple's "draconian corporate policy" as Think Secret reports.

sounds like bullshit to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501823)

think secret is no more trustworthy than weekly world news or slashdot.


Apple has pressured employees to not develop freeware/shareware for other OSes, but when I was there (I left Apple about a year ago), we were encouraged to write non-competing shareware/freeware applications.


It wasn't unheard of for an employee-developed freeware/shareware app to be purchased by Apple for inlclusion in the OS (iPhoto started that way).


Rick Van Riel.

I've said it before... (5, Informative)

Marsala (4168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501830)

And I'll say it again:

Section 2870 does *NOT* protect you if you're a software developer. Check out sub section 1. It includes an exemption for the company if your invention relates at the time of conception .... to the employer's business.

The company's case against you is pretty straighforward: "We're in the business of making and selling software. Your invention is software. Hand it over."

And they don't even have to pat you on the head for writing it.

I hope homeboy has more luck trying to exert his rights under the CLC than other people who've fallen for it have had. :(

Re:I've said it before... (3, Insightful)

Gudlyf (544445) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501873)

I believe there's a fine line between personal time and company time when you're a software developer, especially these days with so much telecommuting going on. Lots of dev's I know work from home, and their hours aren't necessarily in-sync with everyone else's -- some work from 2PM-1AM, some work sporadically throughout the day/night. So who defines "company time" when you're a telecommuter?

Re:I've said it before... (1)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501906)

The company's case against you is pretty straighforward: "We're in the business of making and selling software. Your invention is software. Hand it over."

Not only that, but the guy was "selling" the program. That sounds like a pretty direct conflict of interest to me.

But then again, it does suck that a software employee can't make any outside $$ writing software. I would hate to think that if someone offered me $10K to develop a 100-line VB app over the weekend, that I would have to turn them down because I write C code at work. I might better go read my contract again...

So is apple good or bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501835)

Are we supposed to love or hat Apple? They use some open source stuff, they are the underdog to Microsoft, so I thought we were supposed to like them? Then they attack shareware developers with draconian job agreements so we are supposed to hate them?

This is too much for. Can someone please come up with the official slashdot reader postion on Apple?

That's Funny! (5, Insightful)

pegr (46683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501842)

You mean, Apple has pulled back software after it has been released to the Internet? That's rich! Did that work for the DeCSS code? Or the Adobe eBook decrypter?

The one foolproof way of ensuring a particular bit of information is forever available on the net is to declare it illegal...

Expect the source code to show up any minute now...

Sherlock (3, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501847)

Sherlock never really impressed me- until I tried the latest version; they've included a fair bit of stuff, and at least at work and at home on cable, it's pretty zippy compared to getting the same info via the web. The dictionary search has been pretty handy.

What amazes me is the near vacuum of useful sherlock modules- there's a website here or there that has maybe a dozen or two, of which only a few are actually interesting. There's a fedex module, but no UPS module.

What is MUCH worse is the distribution model for sherlock modules- you don't actually get the module, you get a LINK to the module, and if that website goes down, the module essentially stops working after a while even if you've added it to Sherlock; it only caches them, doesn't download them(which is why it takes a while to access a module if you haven't used sherlock in a while). Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID! Not only is it unreliable and a waste of bandwidth, but it has great exploit potential- breaking into one account and an author's module could deliver all sorts of goodies right to an attacker's doorstep, and nobody would be the wiser. Not to mention, maybe Fedex decides they don't like Joe Blo's module and DMCA him- everyone looses their Fedex module.

Business Plan (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501848)

Develop add-on product
Get busted by Corporate
Quit
Sue (and win!)
Profit!

Program under a psudoname (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501852)

I have at least 5 GPL programs out there and I use a psudeoname to protect them from my employer.

No I wont tell you which as that will create documentation so the thieves in corperate can STEAL them.

everything I do at home and from 5:00pm to 8:00am is my fricking property, but corperations do not think that way so you have to take steps to protect yourself.

Some writers also do this to keep their day-job employer from stealing their book.

Re:Program under a psudoname (2, Interesting)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501907)

Did you sign a contract that states that what you create belongs to your employer? If so, then they're not stealing, they're taking what rightfully belongs to them -- you're the one ripping them off.

The assumption, when you work for a company, is that you will not be attempting to compete with the company you work for. It's like doing freelance consulting in your spare time when you work for a consulting company during the day. At the very least, it's shady.

It seems like you don't want to contribute to the company you work for, you're just there for the paycheck. That's a really bad attitude.

Re:Program under a psudoname (1)

Hypocritical Guy (674824) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501922)

George? Is that you? I'm afraid we're going to have to let you go. And those GPL programs you wrote are now our property and will be closed-source from now on.

Oh, and you think you can steal our intellectual property? See you in court asshole.

IANAL, but I don't see the problem... (4, Insightful)

iapetus (24050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501858)

From a legal point of view, that is. Section 2870 disallows claiming of rights over software written entirely in the employee's own time

except for those inventions that either:
  • Relate at the time of conception or reduction to practice of the invention to the employer's business, or actual or demonstrably anticipated research or development of the employer; or
  • Result from any work performed by the employee for the employer.
Surely this is covered by the first of those provisions - and possibly the second, depending on what the guy's job at Apple is...

Apple you fucking suck (-1, Troll)

Hypocritical Guy (674824) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501863)

I will not be buying any Apple hardware or software you fucking cocksuckers. You can take that IPod and IRamItUpYourAss. OS X can OSuck my dick. I will take a G4 PowerDump on your PowerBook. QuickTime can QuickBlowMe. iTunes, more like shiteTunes. Expose? I'll Expose my fucking nuts to your chin.

We don't know the facts (2, Insightful)

stevew (4845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501876)

So the author of the code thinks that Apple is violating CA law. Did the author use ANY resources from Apple in developing the product? For instance - did Apple give him his home machine as part of his employment benefit? Where did the compiler come from? Did he have access or use internal Apple tools in developing the product?

If the answer to any of these questions is yes - he would be liable to their claims. That's why you REALLY gotta go the extra mile in separating yourself from your employer. If you work for Apple - develop software for Windows as an example.

I don't know if the guy is being screwed or if Apple is within their rights. I think Apple is being heavy handed - but I don't know all the facts either.

Apple employees switch to x86 (1)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501895)

If Apple's employees want to aviod usurping of personal projects, they can switch to KDE and give their time and contributions to that community. Then Apple's usurping won't happen, and if people actually do switch, it'll make apple thing twice before doing it again...

Apple Exec1: "Every time we usurp a project, we send more people to help out KDE"
Apple Exec2: "Maybe usurping projects is not a good idea?"

Or maybe the employee was 'fairly' compensated?

Who has the burden of proof? (1)

SparklesMalone (623241) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501897)

according to the article If Netflix Fanatic's developer showed that he developed the application independently from his work and resources at Apple, and that the application does not relate to Apple's R&D efforts, he may have a case under that section of the California Labor Code.

If the developer has to "show" the independence then he has to prove a negative. Seems winning with this law is impossible.

Misleading article title (4, Interesting)

gergi (220700) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501902)

Anyone else click this article thinking Apple was claiming a patent on shareware? Maybe I've been reading /. too long. Maybe I'm still not used to the editors deliberately allowing sensational headlines.

Re:Misleading article title (3, Funny)

HarveyBirdman (627248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501932)

Maybe I'm still not used to the editors deliberately allowing sensational headlines.

Hang out at ZDNet. You'll get used to it. You'll also get used to headlines that have no scientifically measureable relation to the stories beneath them.

RTFLC (1)

Alomex (148003) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501909)

Read the Labor Code:

Yes it does say that if a company has an employment agreement with provisions saying employees must assign the rights of their inventions to their employer, those sections do not apply if the employee developed it on his or her own time, without using the employer's equipment, supplies, facilities, or trade secret information except for those inventions that either:



1. Relate at the time of conception or reduction to practice of the invention to the employer's business, or actual or demonstrably anticipated research or development of the employer; or
2. Result from any work performed by the employee for the employer.



This is the part deleted by whoever submitted the story.

One such previous case (2, Interesting)

eric76 (679787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501910)

Evan Brown used to work for DSC Communications and ran into the same problem.

Except in Evan's case, he had his idea before he ever went to work for DSC and until ordered by the judge, it remained an idea, not an invention. The judge ordered him to develop it for DSC without pay.

Check out Evan's web site on the issue [unixguru.com]

Someone set me straight, please (2, Interesting)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501918)

Does this put Apple among Big Evil Inc. conglomerate or is this OK because it's Apple?

Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501933)

This is how apple started, the inventors company didnt want the rights to it. SO they went ahead and started Apple Computer. GO figure.

This just proves it. Apple does *NOT* innovate. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7501939)

Winsupersite was write. Apple DOES *NOT* innovate anymore. ALL their gimmicks have prior art.

They don't make their own CPU's, they borrow it from IBM and Motorola. They didn't write OSX. They stole from the BSD and NextStep communities, and Screwed Mosfet too. Expose is an old feature look at XwinMan [xwinman.org] and see loads of window managers with innovations that apple would never DARE to innovate. Fuck Apple, Fuck Windows, Fuck The Apple Zealots that are going to mod the TRUTH DOWN!

I'm sticking with OpenSource software (Read : Linux) that actually innovates. Look at KDE 3.1, see how many features Apple has borrowed from it. Next thing you know Apple will release Ktunes.

Jumping the gun a bit... (2, Insightful)

NaugaHunter (639364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501943)

While for obvious reasons Apple would have liked to keep this quiet, there's as little information to show they were wrong as there is to show that they were right. There's a fair chance he used Apple-given computers to develop this, or that he used 'trade secrets' or information he learned while working at Apple, and that the dispute amounted to them pointing this out and him saying 'What are you talking about?'

Don't get me wrong - I hate the thought that what I work on on my own time would get claimed. But we really have no way of knowing for certain that the developer was on the right side of the law.

Contracts have two purposes (2, Insightful)

amichalo (132545) | more than 10 years ago | (#7501951)

As I sit rewriting a contract with a vendor, I am reminded of the two purposes of contracts:

(1) To clearly outline the rights and responsibilities of all parties. By putting these things in writting, you force yourself to really analyse just what it is you are agreeing to.

(2) To establish a legally defensable position in court. Should the two parties have a disagreement about any of the conditions set forth in the contract, the contract is used to "remind" them of just what they agreed to.

So for all those who say Apple should leave him alone or should buy it from him or whatever, they are considerably late to the party. If in fact the employment contract stated the rules clearly, (no company time or equipment) and he wilfully violated that agreement, then the options become:

(1) Submit to Apple, or

(2) Find a providion of the contract which Apple violated, allowing room for a counter suit, negotiation of a new contract, or possibly having the contract thrown out.

IANAL
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