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New 20" iMac and Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac G5

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the lamps-and-cheese-graters dept.

iMac 467

joekra writes "Today, Apple released a new 20" iMac and a Dual 1.8GHz PowerMac G5. Both were accurately rumored at the last minute by the usual suspects. In fact, the Dual 1.8GHz G5 configuration was rumored back in July to shift demand away from the popular 2.0GHz PowerPC G5s." I'm holding out for a couple rounds of price drops, but I think a G5 is definitely in my future.

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crapple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502246)

Christ i already made this joke

Enough with the crapple shit today

PS go fags in MA!

Re:crapple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502264)

Apples are stupid... these /. mac fags should go get their own site and leave real enthusiasts/nerds alone. I'm really sick of the mac circle jerkin going on.

Re:crapple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502426)

Still funyn as heck!

Nuh uh! They've added new movie SW.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502641)

iNetflix, to browse movies without signing in to Netflix. :) Very innovative stuff.

Re:crapple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502665)

Remember when Slashdot wasn't an Apple site? They used to post stories about open source, science, technology.

20in of goodness (4, Funny)

TeknoTurd (312601) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502248)

HUGE absolutley HUGE. I hope its not top heavy!

who gives a fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502260)

see subject

Ouch. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502261)


Apple is poo [slashdot.org] , Apple is good. [slashdot.org]
Geez, where's my lithium...

Re:Ouch. (2, Insightful)

rosewood (99925) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502293)

If you see it as a good / bad thing, then you miss the whole idea of slashdot or NEWS.

ALl that is being said is "Hey, they did this. Hey, they released that."

Its up to you monkleys and your wallets to decide if it matters. If that appleflix story gets your panties in a wad and you decide not to buy a new 20" iLamp, then go for it. If you are in a majority, the company will suffer and be forced to change its ways.

If everyone is cool or apathetic to it, then buy this new 1.8GHz G5!

Re:Ouch. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502312)

ALl that is being said is "Hey, they did this. Hey, they released that."

Read the fucking blurbs, dude. That's NOT all that's being said.

TEH NO (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502355)

ALl that is being said is "Hey, they did this. Hey, they released that."

No. Apple sees bad press on /. and they buy an article for good press. Slashdot is NOT an unbiased news source... everybody knows B&N pays for airtime here. Why not apple?

Re:Ouch. (3, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502362)

"ALl that is being said is "Hey, they did this. Hey, they released that."

You forgot the "and here's what I, the editor who posted the story, think about it" part.

Buying a Mac (2, Offtopic)

wawannem (591061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502263)

I've been putting off some upgrades recently, and I have been thinking pretty hard about making 'the switch' :).

Is there any advice for a Mac n00b on what to look for? I am coming from Linux and am mostly interested in a machine I can let the kids play games on. I may stick to windows if that is my only choice, but I would like to know what you guys do to keep your kids happy? and do the Disney games run on Mac since they are mostly Flash based?

Re:Buying a Mac (0, Offtopic)

mental_telepathy (564156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502363)

Mac has more kids games than adult games.
see this page [apple.com]
I would probably go with an emac, they can take more of a beating than the imacs, and kids can be rough on computers.

Re:Buying a Mac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502370)

Yeah, get kevlar underwear, cos the price tag is gonna poke you in the browneye.

Re:Buying a Mac (1)

w3weasel (656289) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502383)

Flash is no problem, shockwave also good. On Macs you will get fewer game titles to choose from than on windows (assuming you might dual-boot for some games), but the better games usually get ported over, probably more than do for Linux. In general (not always), games get ported poorly from windows to mac, meaning that what ran fine on your 1ghz Athlon may struggle on your 1.2ghz G4 tower. Video card is supremely important on macs for that reason. If games are the main thing you do on your computer, stay with a PC. If you just want general productivity, an occasional game and a machine that is just plain 'cooperative' with you, then go Mac.

Re:Buying a Mac (0)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502395)

i bought a mac like 6 weeks before they announced the G5. needless to say i was pissed.

my advice is either to wait until the new hardware comes out and buy the old cheap or buy the new hardware as soon as it comes out. it'll give you the most band for your buck.

if you get the virtual windows software get the version that doesn't come with windows. it's like $100 and you can install your corporate site licensed version/warez version. same with office on the windows side.

also if you buy it from a physical apple store they wont support any hardware upgrades they didn't do but they will suppliment the apple care package if you haggle with them. in my case i got 200 worth of hardware and had it installed and got apple care for the cost of the apple care package 250

so
200 hw
100 install
250 apple care

for

250

your choice.

OS X kicks ass but i'd like a Mac version of Tweak UI (a windows util) 'cause i don't need a lot of the graphic options and i can't ever seem to turn them off. maybe i'm just too new of a mac newb.

Re:Buying a Mac (2, Funny)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502456)

if you get the virtual windows software get the version that doesn't come with windows. it's like $100 and you can install your corporate site licensed version/warez version. same with office on the windows side.

Well hellthen... why not get the warez version of Virtual PC as well? ;)

Re:Buying a Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502663)

Well hellthen... why not get the warez version of Virtual PC as well? ;)
Ar, ye maties, I switched to the pirate side, ye see? If yer computer gives you lots of beep beep beep sounds, and deletes all of yer important papers, try sailing the open seas of piracy. It be boatloads of fun, arr..

Re:Buying a Mac (3, Funny)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502617)

"i bought a mac like 6 weeks before they announced the G5. needless to say i was pissed."

You really shouldn't go out and buy expensive consumer products when drunk, you'll only regret it later on.

Re:Buying a Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502452)

There is always the $179.99 PS2 upgrade..for the kids and then they will not be on the computer at all.

Re:Buying a Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502524)

insidemacgames.com
http://macgamersledge.com
ver siontracker.com
macMAME.org

happy shopping. i doubt you will regret it

Re:Buying a Mac (0, Flamebait)

Naito (667851) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502595)

"available today" meaning it'll ship to customers a month from now Apple is notorious for announcing products, then having them either backordered for months

Funky Jam (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502266)

16.11.2003 Oli niin hienoa Feenixissa eilen, paras Kras-keikka ikana, ja aikas monta oon nahnyt jo!! Te olitte mahtavia. Te OLETTE mahtavia. Ihan oon sanaton ja nukkunut 11/2 h viimesen 30 tunnin sisalla, mut ei se mitaan, Kras-energialla jaksaa! KIITOSKIITOSKIITOS!
-Liisa da Pikkuinen
Kiitos Liisa da Pikkuinen!
-Tomi de Mynamaki.

16.11.2003 Pelastitte tylsan ja synkan marraskuuni (14.11. Seinajoella), kiitos siita! Varmaan hymyilyttaa viela aika kauan...
-Soile
Kiitos. Mista sun kotikaupunki on saanut nimensa? (spekuloitiin sita keikkabussissa...)

16.11.2003 Makin haluan kiittaa Feenixin keikasta. Kiitos! Oli kylla tosi upeeta.
-Maija
Kiitos kiitos.

16.11.2003 Is the new album only released in Finland or is there any possibility to get the new album in Germany?
-Thies
Its going to be released in Germany quite soon. I'll put the exact release date here asap

16.11.2003 Kiitos miljoonasti Turusta! Oli sanoinkuvaamattoman uskomatonta. Eika se ollut unta. Kiitos kiitos kiitos. Olette loistavia. Vauh.
-Tuuli
Kiitos kiitos kiitos.

16.11.2003 KIITOS aivan mielettoman upeasta Feenix-illasta. Uskomatonta, siina tuli saavutettua varmasti joku korkeampi yhteys yhtyeen ja yleison valilla! Turkumagiaa :) Kiitos! Mutta Teemu vois lainaa Matin syntsatuolia, ois varmaan sopivampi korkeus?
-Oona, Liisa, Tuuli ja Laura
Joko niin, tai sitten laitetaan se synastandi oikein pain ensi kerralla. Kiitokset!

12.11.2003 Greetings from Vienna, too! Just have your new album "ordered" by a friend of mine from Porvoo, Tommi! Thanks Tommi, thanks to you guys for creating such good music of course! And hey, come again to Vienna, I'm eager to see your next concert in Vienna's Flex (like last time - long ago! *vink* *vink*) Greetings
-mike loves koff
We're coming. And go Tommi!

12.11.2003 hei, jollakin muullakin on nakojaan taipumus tehda toita iltaisin... oikein on mukavaa aina valilla keskeyttaa tyot taalla paassa, kavaista netissa, ja loytaa ihan tuoreita juttuloita kras.com:sta! samalla voisin tietysti lahettaa pienet kiitokset tavastian keikasta. olihan se hieman mukavampi tapa rajayttaa tajuntansa kuin idolsin katselu... eikun vaan oikeesti, olitte upeita! taidatte todella nauttia lavalla-/yhdessaolosta nykyaan, se nakyy ja kuuluu kauas! hyvaa jatkoa, ma jatkan nyt toita. aa, ja jos haluatte kommentteja Melodramasta, niin sanoisin, jos osaisin englantia, etta AWESOME! mutta koska en oikein osaa, taytyy tyytya sanomaan et 'ihan kiva'.
-marian
Ainoa, mista voi/haluaa enaa nipistaa lisaa aikaa, niin nukkumisesta. Siina ehka selitys. Hmm.. englanniksi siis pidat levysta huomattavasti enemman. Kiitokset viestistasi sydanyossa. (klo 01:08)

11.11.2003 Hi i'm from Luxembourg and i like your e-bay "soundtrack" Star. good career
-klengenjerome
Thank you klengenjerome!

11.11.2003 Hei! Mietin vain etta tehdaanko still alivesta musavideo?
-Sima
Ensi viikolla kuvataan.

11.11.2003 Hi there! Before I came to Finland I swore not to fall in love, because it's always hard when you have to leave. But now it happened: I fell in love. With Finland, your people and The Crash's music. Shouting "Damn!" with a smile on my face. :-) I would like to say Kiitos!!!! for the wonderful gig in Tavastia! Unfortutely I forgot to check after the show whether you had some merchandising going on, I was a little too pissed. Why does Tavastia sell wine in those big glasses anyway, I should blame them! Will you eventually play some gigs in France,too? "La Laiterie" in Strasbourg is a nice location, and it's much nearer to where I live (next year again) than any bigger city in Germany. I really would like to come to see you in Nosturi (the "Virus Crashus" has infected my rock chick heart, I'm afraid) but there might be some obstacles. :-( Keep on doing what you do!!! Hope to see you again, soon, I'll try to be sober then. Oh, and Teemu, your hands are nice and soft (for a guitar-player) and Samuli, I like your glasses, nearly as cool as mine. So much for superficialties. ;-) Dankeschon, auf Wiedersehn!
-Jenny
Dankeschon, auf Wiedersehn! in "La Laiterie" in Strasbourg!

11.11.2003 Ooh, Samuli esittelee elamansa levyn eksolentsaissessa :D Vai onks sekin levy kirjastosta lainattu?
-Liisa da Pikkuinen
ei nyt kuitenkaan ihan elamansa levya, vaan kuukauden levynsa. S lupasi uuden es:n jouluksi.

11.11.2003 hey guys, greetz from vienna. I don't know any of your music except the song from the ebay commercial (i guess you hear that quite often ever since), but i must say your webpage is perfect. clear and decent, the drawings are great (who did them?)...a real contrast, i like it very much. good luck in the future.
-Chjena
Thanks Chjena.

11.11.2003 Tusen tack!!! Keikkanne Vaasassa 8.11.2003 oli loistava! Ollaan systerin kanssa kuunneltu teita pelkastaan radiosta, joten hurmaava lavasateilynne (+Teemun hauskat ruotsinnokset ;O) seka ammattitaitonne osuivat suoraan sydamiimme. Biisit olivat niin mukaansatempaavia, etta pakkohan sita oli vaha irrotella siina lavan laheisyydessa. Ei muuta ku levykaupan kautta kotiin...Keep going guys!!! XXX
-Malla & Johanna
Kiitokset. Vaasassa oli lystia.

11.11.2003 Sweden spring 2004? sounds good? p-p-p-pleeeeeaassssee ;)
-siren

11.11.2003 Ihan jokainen raahaa sitten itsensa lutakkoon 28.11! Jos ei millaan paase, niin asian voi korvata myos nosturissa 27.11. Poissaolo on rangaistavaa, ja hapeallista...
-^_^
Ok, me yritetaan olla paikalla!

09.11.2003 I loev u the crash!! you're just brilliant!! I really think you should have a concert in sweden!! Please come to Sweden!!!!
-Anna

09.11.2003 Hi. I'm Finnish, but live in the USA, so I really don't know too many awesome finn bands like yours! I was wondering if there was any way I could get some copies of your cds and such. That would be so awesome if you guys could work that out! Thanks much, and please write back!
-Rachel
Thanks Rachel, the new album is going to be released in there (in some point). Until then, you can order all the albums at www.stupido.fi

09.11.2003 Hey! Thanks for great music..wildlife is for sure one of my fav albums:) When can I see you in gothenburg guys? I know youve been there...come back! Soon I hope!
-Amanda
I hope so too

09.11.2003 Kiitos, kiitos, KIITOS! Mahtavan keikan soititte Vaasassa! Kannatti jaksaa odottaa yomyohaan teidan esitysta. Tuli ehka pikkuisen liikaa hytkyttya eturivissa, mutta onneksi en sentaan pomppinut siella yksin :) Moonlight for Loversin aikana oli tippa linssissa. Tiesitteko, etta lasikaton lapi nakyi lavan ylapuolella ihan oikea kuu? Oli se vaan hieno naky, kun Teemun ylapuolella kumotti kuunpimennyksen vuoksi punertavaksi muuttunut kuu. Baarista palatessa sain sitten ihailla koko kuunpimennyksen hienoutta. Toivottavasti paasen pian uudelleen nakemaan teidat livena. Olitte ihania!
-LoT

04.11.2003 hi there who ever is reading. it's the first massage i write in this forum so i do have to say to 'the crash' and that is that you're fucking great....both "cofort de lux" and "wildlife" made me a happy man. there's 2 things left to do : 1. to get the new album which is still not out here in germany unfortunately (if i may envy you finns for having it on the market already). already heard from freinds that heard it that it's super. 2. to see you playing live which will surely be orgasmic so when are you taking the flight from helsinki to berlin for a gig? if you won't say so, i'll just have to fly from cold berlin to colder helsinki to see you guys. i can assure you though that i know a few people in israel who will be quite happy if you'll surprise and go all the way to tel aviv. and last, just a 'good luck with the new album' ending to this massege.
-alon, berlin
Thanks Alon, we'll come there soon! Promise!

02.11.2003 Onnittelen, Melodrama onkin ensimmainen levy neljaan vuoteen minka olen ostanut. Biisi toisensa jalkeen aina vaan maukkaampi. Jos melodrama levyja voisi syoda niin soisin.
-Rousku

03.11.2003 Eniten isoimmat kiitokset koko ryhmalle lauantaina 1.11 keikasta Tavastialla! Kolmas ja paras Tavastian keikka mita olen nahnyt Teilta!!
-Nepd

03.11.2003 I don't know, if you're interested, but here is the link to the german ebay-spot with "star": http://www.ebay.de/TV/321meins/spot.html Salut Christian
-Christian

03.11.2003 Elama vie ja valilla kolhii, mutta unelmien tahtitaivas pysyy silti kauniina. Istun kuunsirpille onkimaan tahtia ja taas hymyilen...Kiitos kundit! Tama levy soundeineen, teksteineen ja kuvituksineen osui suoraan sydameen. Tervetuloa keikalle Vaasaan!!
-Jii
kiitos, lauantaina nahdaan

03.11.2003 kiitos tavastian keikasta, se oli yksinkertaisesti loistava. kuulostatte livena entistakin paremmilta!
-henriikka

03.11.2003 JEJ! Ostin juuri itselleni lipun Nosturiin!! En jaksa odottaa..!! And we say: "ihanaa!"
-isa

30.10.2003 you can buy the new album also on cdon.com outside finland
-jossu

29.10.2003 I'm a bit concerned about track 10 on 'Melodrama'... I do believe you've spelled my name wrong! :-O
-Kat
sorry about that

29.10.2003 Kerrankin jotain vahan erilaista musiikkia! Loysin teidat itse asiassa vasta vahan aikaa sitten ja tykastyin tyyliinne. Se saa AINA niin kovin hyvalle tuulelle :) Melodramaa ei viela levyhyllysta loydy, mutta tuo asia korjataan pikimmiten! Kiitos mahtavista biiseista, joilla piristatte kummasti niita ikavampia paivia ja annatte lisa potkua niihin hyviin paiviin!! :)
-emmu

APPLE SUCKS! It's a commonly known GAY COMPUTER!

OPEN LETTER TO COWBOY KNEEL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502267)

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Big screen! (1, Insightful)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502273)

The unfortunate thing with the larger iMacs is that because the screen sits on top of the box, rather than directly on the desk, with a screen as big as 20" I'd find myself looking upwards (at least with the two work desks in my house and the one at work). Ergonomically this is not a good thing.

Alternatively you pull the screen down as far as it will go, but then you need a lot of space behind it for the arm and the box.

That said, it does look rather nice, but I don't think I'd spend the extra cash over the 17" given the choice. I'd probably hold out for one of the lower-end G5's. At least this way the case can sit under my desk.

Re:Big screen! (1)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502297)

The screen moves up and down with tilting, you needn't view it like you're in the first row at the theatre.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502316)

I know, but it's still difficult to get a screen that big well positioned when you have limited space, even with the versatility of the iMac's armiture.

Re:Big screen! (4, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502336)

With the 20" panel down near desk level it will still require less depth than a 20" CRT monitor.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502359)

Yeah, but not more than a 20" LCD, which is what I'm looking at buying at the moment (already have a heavenly 18" on one machine and a 15" on the other).

Re:Big screen! (2, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502441)

Still less space than a 20" LCD + desktop PC too, unless you cram the PC tower under your desk to fill up with dust bunnies.

Re:Big screen! (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502322)

agreed, the iMac while a nice all in one unit, are not something that can easily be supersized. While you might be able to add more ram, hard drive, processor speed, adding a bigger monitor complicates the design. They are good for a generic workstation where word, processing, internet, e-mail are common.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502467)

Even adding a bigger internal drive is a pain. Issues like getting Just The Right Thickness of heatsink grease come up, and you totally void your warranty.

If you are an iMac owner and want more space, go with an external Firewire drive. If you are shopping and think 80MB won't be enough for you, consider other models. (I just dropped a 120 GB into a new eMac. A lot of disassembly, and one or two delicate connections to watch out for... but not impossible.)

Re:Big screen! (4, Insightful)

Cujo (19106) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502533)

I think Apple would say that if that's the sort of thing you're inclined to do, then the iMac is not for you. It;s for people who aren't too curious about what's under that dome thinggy. OTOH, there is someone who will muck about and hack just about anything.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502693)

OTOH, there is someone who will muck about and hack just about anything.

Guilty as charged!

Re:Big screen! (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502324)

You'd need less than the typical 20" CRT. I;ve got one of those giants on my work machine. It's starting to look like an old 70's muscle car next to these slick sexy LCD products.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Ianoo (711633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502340)

I don't use CRTs. They're a dead technology, and IMHO they just generally suck! ;)

Re:Big screen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502421)

YOU are a dead technology.

My kingdom for a 700000+ with something meaningful to say!

Re:Big screen! (5, Insightful)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502551)

I don't use CRTs. They're a dead technology, and IMHO they just generally suck! ;)

Do you have any reasoning behind this? LCDs are flat and easier on the eyes but you can't get anything above 1280X1024 resolution for under $1000. I have seen 19" CRTs with 1600x1200 for just over $100.

A side from the cost, LCDs/plasmas have a huge problem with displaying true black. Anyone concerned with image quality usually goes with a CRT.

You have price, image quality, resolution, better viewing angle vs space, style.

CRTs are far from dead.

Re:Big screen! (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502685)

A dead technology? We bought 3 Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SBs at work the other day which are now installed and running at 1344x1008@100Hz on our Mac workstations. These monitors only cost 250 quid each and yet have a better picture (better colour and response) than ANY LCD at ANY PRICE.

That's some dead technology alright. My advice is to buy superior CRTs while you still can!

Re:Big screen! (5, Insightful)

goober (120298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502351)

If you're still having problems ergomically with a screen that can be manuevered into any position, the problem is not with the computer. It's with your chair!

Re:Big screen! (5, Funny)

roard (661272) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502430)

You mean, a problem between his chair and the iMac screen ?

Re:Big screen! (2, Insightful)

masonbrown (208074) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502442)

Ergonomically this is not a good thing.

Where did you get the idea that it's bad ergonomically to look up at your screen? In fact that's the proper way to do it. At least that's what I learned from SGI's Ergonomics Center. And that says alot from a company that truly cares more about employee comfort and happiness than product development.

Just think about it though. Is it better to be hunched down looking at a monitor, or sitting upright looking straight ahead (or slightly up) at a monitor so you can have proper posture and not bend forward?

Re:Big screen! (1)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502575)

Well if you don't know how to type, you have to keep moving your head up and down instead of your eyes.

Re:Big screen! (1)

bpbond (246836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502690)

The flat-screen iMac is pinched, price/performance-wise. As you say, why not buy a lower-end G5, unless you're really into the desktop beauty factor? And if you don't have the cash, why not go down to the eMac? (For my money, the best value in Apple's entire lineup for the average consumer.)

Apple is trying to leverage "beauty" and "cool" quite a bit with the iMac, betting that consumers will pay for them. I'm not sure it's succeeding in this case.

20 inch LCD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502274)

Can we hold out hope for a 20 inch power book?

Only logical (2, Interesting)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502275)

As most of the benchamarks showed a dramatic difference between the single 1.8 and the dual 2 ghz. If only they're kept the single 1.8 at a lower price point as an intro to the wonderful world of Serial ATA and a faster FSB.

These are still both great machines. I love my 17" iMac as a home machine, and a 20" screen is even more alluring.

Re:Only logical (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502675)

Well, the 1.6 is now $1800, which isn't too obnoxious I guess. I'm wondering what the motivation is here though: note no increase in the speeds of the CPUs, simply doubling one of them up, and cutting the price of the lowest cost unit.

Is the aim to create a stop gap while waiting for a delayed major update (2.4GHz 970s delayed perhaps?) or is it to clear stock of the 1.6s, with the 1.8 dualled so it doesn't look bad value compared to a $500 more expensive 2x2GHz and a $700 less expensive 1x1.6GHz.

you must accessorize.. (2, Interesting)

openSoar (89599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502276)

that powerbook would go very nice with the rumored 30" cinema display [macrumors.com] that should be out early next year - even though dell beat [crn.com] them to the 2.5 feet punch.

Not sure about the 20" iMac... (4, Insightful)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502278)

The currently Apple 20" flatscreen goes for $1299. You're paying $2199 for that attached to a 1.25GHz iMac... So in 3 years when the iMac is obsolete and the monitor is running fine, you can't attach that 20" flatscreen to anything. Hmm. Not good.

Re:Not sure about the 20" iMac... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502385)

Computers come and go, but a good monitor can last forever.

Re:Not sure about the 20" iMac... (1)

stuntshell (678567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502397)

maybe a little hack like the icar [slashdot.org] can do the job.

Re:Not sure about the 20" iMac... (5, Insightful)

Lewisham (239493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502492)

For power users, sure, it's pretty bad losing a 20" screen that you've forked out for. The iMac isn't really geared to us though.

I've had a hell of a time trying to figure out why my friends have been buying awful computers (a Compaq, for example, just one month ago! Wonder how long that brand is going to last...) without consulting me. After some prodding, it turns out they don't like me telling them what isn't and isn't good about the new machine they're getting, they just want what they can see. Like a big screen. Then they buy it, because they make some assumption that all computers are the same nowadays, and treat these things like appliances no more complex than a dishwasher. Once it's had it's day, you throw it all out and buy a new one. Obviously they're ignoring the fact they are on their own when it comes to support. You don't ask me, you don't get my help later on :D

Which is where Apple is with the iMac. It's disposable computing. Every 3-4 years, chuck it out and get a new one. To be fair, it's a very tempting option over the extra outlay of the tower and monitor to begin with. My 3 year old 17" monitor is about to give up on me, but the screen is looking weak in comparison by today's standards anyway. Why not buy it all cheaper now then get a nice spangly 24" iMac with super-bright-no-dead-pixel technology or something down the line? Certainly for most people (the people that double take when I drag a window from my Powerbook to my monitor) having two workareas is crazy enough as it is, let alone paying extra for the privalege! :)

Invalid statement = obsolete (2, Insightful)

adzoox (615327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502521)

My friend,

I still use a Mac SE30 as a print server and vintage program machine. I use a 20th Annivaersary Mac for financial/database work.

Se30 = almost 17 years old
TAM = 6 years old

If in 3 years this can access the internet, great, if it can photoshop, great, if it can print to USB printers, great, if it can be adapted to new technologies, great.

My SE30 can do most everything this new iMac can, just not in color and not as fast. It's hardly obsolete.

Re:Invalid statement = obsolete (1)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502615)

But wouldn't having a 20", $1300 monitor atop a print server and vintage program machine be a little wasteful? A new, top of the line monitor can outlast a computer by many lifetimes. Where normally you could replace that 20" LCD with some 15-17" CRT you might have lying around or can buy cheap, now you need to go buy another 20"+ LCD with your next computer. Especially considering the upgradability of iMacs is virtually non-existent.

Re:Not sure about the 20" iMac... (2, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502522)

Good point there. Those looking for long-term value might want to buy an $800 eMac, and plug the video-out port into the $1299 Studio display. Set the eMac sideways behind the display so you don't block the DVD bay. For $2099, you are giving up a small amount of CPU speed, and it's not as s3xy as the iMac, but some geeks would probably be happier going that route.

On the other hand, if you are looking to drop a fat wad of cash for a 20" screen attached to a unique-looking computer that's less than half the power of the current G5 towers, you are probably not the type to sweat over maximizing bang-for-the-buck to begin with.

But the arm is fabulous (2, Insightful)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502694)

I'm going to be in the market for the big Cinema Display pretty soon, and the one thing I would love to see in the next model is an iMac style arm so it's easy to position anywhere I want it.

That seems like such an obvious idea I'm surprised Apple hasn't done it.

Anyone know why not?

D

But if you found a way... (5, Informative)

mactari (220786) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502584)

Words right out of my mouth. I've posted to usenet [google.com] asking if anyone's tried a hack yet, and some of the iMac deconstruction sites seem to suggest the wires are relatively easy to get to.

But if you could find a way to hack it, you're essentially getting an awfully cool monitor stand plus a Superdrive equipped G4 for $900. That's *much* easier to stomach.

Take apart at xlr8yourmac.com (look at "rainbow colored" wires)
Service manual [earthlink.net]

There was also a great Japanese site that showed the thing taken apart until the wires were dangling, but I always have the dangest time Googling in Japanese.

Pretty cool (1, Offtopic)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502283)

I am by no means a Mac person (because I like to play games :P), but this little machine looks really cool. The only thing that I think is better (maybe because I am a PC person) is the MachL 3.8 [go-l.com] with cinimatic or Grand Canyon [go-l.com] moniter.

Re:Pretty cool (1)

OccSub (572282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502335)

Holy shnikes that's a lot of screen! How much was that again...?

Anyway, check out the Power Mac G5 page, and then tell me where that company got their design queues?

Re:Pretty cool (1)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502396)

far, far too much. the most expensive one (92 inches, four screens) is $17500. That big one also weighs 108 lbs but it is wall mountable. Can you inmagine HL2 on a beast like the 3.8 and a three or four screen moniter? The mere thought of it puts me in geek shock (similar to ferret shock).

Re:Pretty cool (1)

Numeric (22250) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502348)

wow go-l.com did a nice job of stealing apple web site's look-n-feel.

Re:Pretty cool (1)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502428)

Well, they are trying to give movie makers a PC alternative, so they incorperate the successful parts of Apple, including the website. I think it is a compliment, actually.

Re:Pretty cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502568)

funny thing about the go-l machines, when I was in Taiwan a few weeks ago I saw a company which made OEM notebooks and it had the same exact models as this company and it was for less than half the price! i was surprised! I didn't know computers were really cheap and you actually pay for the logo most of the time!

Holy crap (1)

admiralfrijole (712311) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502285)

What's next, the 23" HD Cimana iMac? This iscrazy but awesome

Re:Holy crap (1)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502311)

Yes, in a sense [go-l.com]

G5 mania (2, Interesting)

dukeluke (712001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502286)

Well, G5s are truly here now - and they've got the flashy specs to boot.

My advice? - Grab a G5 as soon as you can - they're fast, strong, and reliable. Yet, they do run the MacOS - which is fine if you're a artsy kinda person.

I use my windows machine for gaming. & My linux box for serious computing/recovery. I'd definitely only suggest the G5 if you're not into windwos gaming at all - 'cause other than that - Macs have all the rest of the fun!

Re:G5 mania (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502337)

Actually, I've found that between Ghost Recon, Links 2003 and the Combat Missions series from Battlefront.com, all my gaming needs are taken care of on the Mac (except for the glaring hole of sports games.)

And with the command line waiting for me, MS Office, Photoshop and Illustrator, aside from hanging out with all the l33t CS kiddies, there's not much I can't do on a Mac.

Re:G5 mania (1)

Ageless Stranger (540738) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502475)

Have you been able to get Combat Mission to work under OS X? I haven't had any luck...

Re:G5 mania (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502543)

My iBook still dual-boots into OS 9, I use that for Battlefront. And there's a workaround on somewhere Battlefront's site (no link, work firewall blocks all gaming stuff) for OS X.

Re:G5 mania (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502376)

You are aware that you can run linux on PPC right?

And I just bought a used G3! (1)

carl67lp (465321) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502301)

My office retired its old G3 Server, and I talked my boss into selling it to me, including the 17" CRT, keyboard, mouse, and Jaz drive, for $100.

I'm using it primarily to learn the intricacies of OS X 10.3, and I'm liking it so far.

But even with this new "toy" of mine (I've been a staunch Windows user for years and years, although I like Linux too), I'm still drooling over the G5s. Part of me thinks I should get one of the 1.8 dualies and call it a day.

The only bad thing is that when a person switches, you have to not only learn a new OS and how the machine works, but you have to learn what software replaces the stuff you're used to. As an example, I use HomeSite for my Web development. I could buy BBEdit, but I'd like something free...and finding something like this is one of the challenges.

But at the end of the day, it's all worth it. Knowing multiple platforms is always a good thing!

Re:And I just bought a used G3! (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502347)

i give you 150 for that set up and pay for shipping and handling.

Re:And I just bought a used G3! (1)

carl67lp (465321) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502468)

Thanks, but no. $150 wouldn't buy me another Mac...and I like what I have, for now.

Try Versiontracker (2, Informative)

MyNameIsFred (543994) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502429)

...but I'd like something free...and finding something like this is one of the challenges...

Since you are apparently new to Macs, are you familiar with Versiontracker [versiontracker.com] . Its a good place to find programs for the Mac, what the latest version is, and what other people think of them.

Re:Try Versiontracker (1)

carl67lp (465321) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502444)

I recall Versiontracker from back in the day, when I was new to Linux. Thanks for the reminder!

The nice thing about OS X, and one of the reasons I bought in to the Mac craze, was its Unix heritage. That makes the switch (well, addition) easier for me.

Class Action Link (0, Offtopic)

aoj (534783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502303)

also noticed this for the first time linked to at the bottom of the apple's main page [apple.com]

G3/Mac OS X Settlement [rosenthalco.com]

Dated: September 2, 2003

No thanks, Ill stick to my Cheap Linux Box. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502320)

Why Spend $2199 on a Propreitry hardware when I can get a Cheap $600 Linux box running Mandrake and a Cheap $300 19" Monitor. And to the Apple Zealots, Gimp 1.3.22 Does have CMYK support, so STFU about Photoshit.

Its got everything I need, and i can use the money I saved on the more important things in life.

Re: Propreitry hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502601)

". . .i can use the money I saved on the more important things in life."

Could you start with a spell check program? You don't have to live out the rest of your short life as an illiterate dumbass.
GIMP has CMYK support? Great. Have you actually used Photoshop? I didn't think so. STFU right back at you.

The G4 is dead... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502323)

Long live the G4.

pateNTdead eyecon0meter, spitzer concur, conquer? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502326)

there really is no b3 bomber?

unprecedented evile takes it in the .asp once more?

which is not to say the double cheese mac will not rock the app(s)?

Got1 (-1, Redundant)

jafac (1449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502341)

My ancient and massively (and expensively upgraded) beige G3 (G4), has finally given up the ghost - in a nasty and very slow way; turns out that there's something wrong with the logic board that causes it to drain the PRAM battery in the space of a couple of weeks - it won't recharge it. Hence, I'll lose settings, and occasionally not be able to boot. Which is okay, because booting takes a good solid 3 minutes.

So I bought a Dual 2ghz G5. With the last of my dotcom-bust stock. (401k notwithstanding).

What can I say that they haven't already said on a zillion review sites, and Ars?

I was not disappointed.
I was presented with the dilemma of where to put some of my old components (no room in this HUGE case for any regular IDE drives? no room in my tapped-out budget to buy some external FW800 cases.)

(and it's gonna cost me an arm and a leg to have a contracter come out here and put the wall back on my house.)

i would truely like to kick myself in the arse... (0)

s33l3t (722580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502354)

my friend told me get an apple, but i steered away from it due to the fact of always using a pc. so i spent $1200 on a toshiba laptop, he now has an ibook . it pisses me off cause i have played around with his ibook and it highly out ranks my pc, sigh. when the price drops some on the new 20" imac im buying one and either an ibook or powerbook. apple Rul3z, PC Dr00lez.

Good to see apple back (-1, Troll)

PhysicsExpert (665793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502356)

Its good to see that apple have finally made it back into the mainstream, even if their internal architecture is beginning to look like a PC what with PCI slots and all. Interestingly when I was in Rhodesia the other week, I noticed that almost all computers there are apples running yellow dog linux. Apparently this is because the government there has passed a law decreeing that all software allowed in the country must be 64 bit by 2005. Unbelievable!

Re:Good to see apple back (1)

[Galaxie] (40909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502416)

didn't apple always use pci slots?

Re:Good to see apple back (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502457)

No, they used "NuBus" up to 1996 or so.

Re:Good to see apple back (2, Informative)

saddino (183491) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502465)

Nope. From their inception expandable Macs shipped with NuBus slots up to and including the PowerMac 6100, 7100, 8100 models. I believe all models that followed those released shipped with PCI.

Real Men of Genius (4, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502366)

Today we salute you, Mr. Goofy Looking PC Designer.

"Mr. Goofy Looking PC Designer!"

Taking that tripped out table lamp and turning it in as a new computer design, and getting your boss to actually believe it and sell it? Hey, that's just part of the job.

"You were just stoned."

But wait! Why do better than that, when you can just start putting tackier and tackier large displays on the front? Why waste time away from your bong (which now looks suspicously like a new computer), when you can keep up your sumpin' sumpin'?

"Wow that's some good weed!"

Real men of genius.

30" Cinema Display? (2, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502377)

Where's the 30" Cinema Display? I'm still waiting on that rumor (:

This 20" iMac is interesting, but i wonder how long the arm will hold up. And as someone else has pointed out - after the Mac is obsolete you still have a very expensive monitor that can't be moved elsewhere.

Links for teenagers (and others) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502414)

This is off-topic, which is why I am posting as AC, but I was just thinking about the story regarding controlling teenagers internet usage. I want to provide some links right now so that people can discover alternative "lifestyles" before it's too late.

gay [apple.com]
necro [bsd.org]
scat (krap) [kde.org]

I must point out that this is not a troll because I provide an accurate description for each link.

BUKKAKE SLURPING FAGGOT ASS MAC LOVERS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502450)

Get a fucking life asswipes. Apple has lost the battle. BSD owns all. Fuck off dorks.

Pro Tools Optimized for G5 and Panther (2, Informative)

aoj (534783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502495)

Apple now offers its entire suite of professional applications optimized to leverage the performance advantages of the Power Mac G5. Mac-based hardware and software from Apple and our partners form the backbone of professional workflows at every level of video and audio production, so the industry moves with us. Keep up. Whatever your choice in tools and formats, there's room for them and for you on the Apple platform for professional digital production.

Apple - Software - Pro [apple.com]

Learn marketing, people. (5, Insightful)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502527)

Too many comments along the lines of "That there is a big monitor to just throw away when the iMac is obsolete!"

People who buy iMacs don't want to upgrade them every year. They're home users who expect to buy a computer, and keep it until it breaks or some amazing reason comes out to get a new one. They upgrade only when new applications require it, which is why Apple focuses a lot on new features and software innovation to motivate people to upgrade.

Take a look on eBay at used Mac prices sometime, then rethink the "wasting a monitor" idea.

Lack of ports/RAM on iMac... (0)

crispy1083 (636320) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502535)

The twenty inch screen is nice, but would have also been nice if Apple would have added FireWire 800 to this revision. And 256 megs or RAM is a little bit low...

Re:Lack of ports/RAM on iMac... (3, Insightful)

NetCurl (54699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502628)

The idea behind the iMac is to fill in the middle niche in their product line. The Firewire 800 and all the fancier jazz, comes on the higher-end models (G5, Powerbook). The iBook and iMac are in the middle, and you can still pick up OS 9 compat. G4s and the eMac at the low end. So the idea is to appeal to people who probably will be completely happy with Firewire 400. If you're doing something that really needs 800, they want you in the G5 line or Powerbook.

It might sound crazy, but that's how they operate. Apple isn't just selling the hardware though. They tend to cut fewer corners in their hardware designs, and they are aware their hardware is more expensive. They are selling the OS, the reliability, and the longetivity.

I have two windows boxes, a linux, a BSD, and six Macs. I use OS X daily, but I can tell you all my old Macs are still in service, and going strong. I cant say that about my older Windows machines (linux has this sort of survivability though). Apple has an interesting market strategy, but I don't think that the computers are dead in 3-4 years. It's a facinating thing to watch.

Mid-Line Best-Deal (5, Insightful)

Soong (7225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502559)

Ah, now the middle of the desktop is again clearly the best deal. I always buy from the middle of the line. The boost over the low end model is worth the price, but the difference between mid and high end is always a more severe premium.

Also, if you're going to buy the dual 1.8 GHz Mac, BUY IT NOW. You'll be happier this way. See, if the worst time to buy is just before a revision comes out, then you get further and further from that to the happiest point just after a revision comes out.

I knew this was coming (3, Funny)

jht (5006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502569)

It was inevitable that the iMac would get an upgrade. I had no doubt at all.

Because I just bought a 17" iMac less than a month ago. Apple always upgrades boxes a month after I buy them.

However, I don't feel too bad about this one. It's $400 more, they didn't upgrade any other features other than the screen, and they didn't slash the price of the old model. Usually at least one of those latter two criteria apply to me.

The dually 1.8 GHz model is looking pretty sweet, though. The only difference (other than clock speed, of course) between that and the 2 GHz model is the video card, and changing to the Radeon 9600 is only a $50 BTO option. So you get nearly the same Mac for $500 less. I think the dually 1.8 G5 will sell quite briskly. This also speaks well to IBM's ability to get chips out of the factory and into systems. Hopefully the inevitable speedbump in January will really kick some booty.

But what if? (2, Insightful)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502570)

Sure, you may want to hold out until the price drops, but what if it ends up like the Cube? An awsome machine that was only on the market for several months.

Arrggghh! Stoopid Dual 1.8 G5's (3, Funny)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7502581)

I just got my single 1.8GHz G5! Noooooo! Kahhhnnn!

Apple computers are really great... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7502607)

for me to [formetopoopon.com]
poop on.
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