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SCO News Roundup

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the everybody-else-is-scoing-it-why-can't-we dept.

Caldera 473

Bootsy Collins managed to combine all of today's SCO stories. He writes "The firm of David Boies, SCO's attorney in charge of their Linux IP cases, has announced their compensation (so far) from SCO: $1 million USD in cash, and $8 million in SCO stock. Keeping that stock price high until they can sell is clearly of some importance to Boies, Schiller and Flexner LLP. Given the cost of selling a $50 million convertible note to fund their legal actions, the actual cost to SCO is more like $17 million USD. Meanwhile, SCO CEO Darl McBride is saying that Novell's purchase of SuSE violates a non-competition agreement reached when SCO bought the Unix source, and thus is legally actionable by SCO. Over at the Register, they've noticed that SCO's latest SEC filings indicate how firmly they're putting all their eggs in the legal basket: the filings effectively say that 'SCO has already lost business from its loyal customer base, and it expects to lose more.' And finally, in response to a poor response to SCO's attempts to get Fortune 1000 companies to pay $699/server for 'Linux licenses' before the fee jumped to $1399, SCO has announced that the $699 discount rate will apply to the end of 2003. Hurry before time runs out again."

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503534)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

YOU FAILED IT TO THE GNAA! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503575)

Brits support President BUSH! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503538)

Protests begin but majority backs Bush visit as support for war surges

Alan Travis and David Gow
Tuesday November 18, 2003
The Guardian

A majority of Labour voters welcome President George Bush's state visit to Britain which starts today, according to November's Guardian/ICM opinion poll.

The survey shows that public opinion in Britain is overwhelmingly pro-American with 62% of voters believing that the US is "generally speaking a force for good, not evil, in the world". It explodes the conventional political wisdom at Westminster that Mr Bush's visit will prove damaging to Tony Blair. Only 15% of British voters agree with the idea that America is the "evil empire" in the world.

Mr Blair insisted last night that he had made the right decision in inviting Mr Bush to Britain as an unprecedented security operation got under way to prepare for his arrival today. More than 14,000 police officers at a cost of 5m will be on duty during the four-day visit, with tens of thousands of anti-war protesters expected to take to the streets.

The ICM poll also uncovers a surge in pro-war sentiment in the past two months as suicide bombers have stepped up their attacks on western targets and troops in Iraq. Opposition to the war has slumped by 12 points since September to only 41% of all voters. At the same time those who believe the war was justified has jumped 9 points to 47% of voters.

This swing in the mood of British voters is echoed in the poll's finding that two-thirds of voters believe British and American troops should not pull out of Iraq now but instead stay until the situation is "more stable".

It also may explain the beginnings of a recovery in Tony Blair's personal ratings in this month's Guardian poll. He still remains an unpopular prime minister with 52% unhappy with the job he is doing, compared with 40% who say they are satisfied with his performance. But the prime minister's net popularity rating of minus 12 points is a significant improvement over last month's net rating of minus 18 points.

The detailed results of the poll show that more people - 43% - say they welcome George Bush's arrival in Britain than the 36% who say they would prefer he did not come.

Labour voters are more enthusiastic about the visit than Tory voters. But it is only Liberal Democrats who are marginally more unhappy about his arrival, with 43% against and 39% willing to welcome him. A majority of "twentysomethings" welcome Mr Bush. Hostility is strongest amongst the over-65s. There is a clear gender gap in attitudes with a majority of men - 51% - welcoming the president's arrival, compared with only 35% of women.

Pro-Americanism, as might be expected, is strongest among Tory voters with 71% saying the US is a force for good. But it is nearly matched by the 66% of Labour voters who say the US is a force for good. Anti-Americanism is strongest among Liberal Democrat voters but is still only shared by 24% of them and the majority see the US as the "good guys".

hahah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503542)

go bootsy you SCO fanboy!!! those cnn news alerts must really be paying off!

Yeehaw! A roundup!! (3, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503545)

Git along, little stories, git along!!!

Re:Yeehaw! A roundup!! (5, Funny)

Jeffery McGrew (541937) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503806)

Rollin', Rolling', Rollin',
Rollin', Rolling', Rollin',
Rollin', Rolling', Rollin',
SCOhide!

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
Keep the stock price swollen,
Keep them lawsuits rollin',
SCOhide!

Ignorance and Hubris together, Hell bent for treasure, Wishin' IBM was on my side.
All the things I'm missin, Source code, money and lawsuit dissmissin', Are waitin at the end of my ride.

Move em' on, Head em' up, Move em' on,SCOhide!
Cut em' out, Paste em' in, Greek em' out, Show em' off, SCOhide!

Keep movin', movin', movin'
Though their dissaprovin', Keep them Unix users groanin', SCOhide!

Don't try to understand them, Just Subpoena, sue and charge em', Soon we'll be livin' high and wide. My heart's calculatin', My new Rolls Royce will be waitin', Be waitin' at the end of my ride.

Move em' on, Sue em' up, Move em' on, SCOhide!
Cut em' out, Paste em' in, Greek em' out, Show em' off, SCOhide!

Move em' on, Sue em' up, Move em' on, SCOhide!
Drown em' out, Subpoena em' in, Cash em' out, Sue em' ALLLLLLL!!!, SCOhide!

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Re:Yeehaw! A roundup!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503870)

I hate everything you are

Good news for SCO (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503548)

Great to see a small company like SCO stand up to huge billion-dollar Goliath as Novell is, and remind them that an agreement is an agreement, and if you sign it, you better stick to it.

Hope the lawsuit is successful and mormons from Novell are not allowed to outsource programming job to that German outfit.

If SCO gets Novell to cash out, that's great news for Caldera Linux users and at least one vendor found a sustainable business model.

Re:Good news for SCO (0, Offtopic)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503603)

Please mod parent up +1 Funny.

Re:Good news for SCO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503771)

Have you been smoking the same crack cocaine as Darl McBride, or are you Darl McBride?

If not, you are in a minority of 2.

Roundup? (3, Funny)

silicon not in the v (669585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503557)

Sounds like that's what they are doing to their bottom line.

Re:Roundup? (-1)

the_consumer (547060) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503787)

Hey, that was funny! Mod up someone.

Ticker Symbol (5, Funny)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503559)

Does anyone else have a Beavis 'n Butthead moment whn seeing the ticker symbol "SCOX"?

Re:Ticker Symbol (5, Funny)

seanmeister (156224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503676)

pretty much! :-D

offtopic, but related to your comment: I work for a local telco, and a while back, the president was giving us the annual vision shpiel. He mentioned that the local cable provider was going to roll out dialtone service in our area, and that "penetration by Cox" was something we had hoped to avoid.

It was all I could do to prevent busting out laughing, but nobody else seemed to catch it... sigh...

Re:Ticker Symbol (1)

JeffTL (667728) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503693)

Hey, what if Cox were your ISP? I get oodles of jokes about my e-mail address. :)

Re:Ticker Symbol (2, Funny)

Roofus (15591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503846)

Cox customers are so easy to harass!

Hey, do you have COX at Home?

What about COX on demand?

I hear you've been a customer of COX for many years...

There's a million of them!

Re:Ticker Symbol (3, Funny)

adric (91323) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503726)

It's their crack legal team [rr.com] which does it for me...

Re:Ticker Symbol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503786)

Heh, heh, you said "SCOX". Heh!

There are times when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503827)

I think that it is actually Beavis and Butthead who are running that company. Heh heh heh heh you said "scox"!

Hey so the troll was right! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503568)

SCO has announced that the $699 discount rate will apply to the end of 2003.

Hey, the $699 troll was right, you cocksmoking teabaggers!

Re:Hey so the troll was right! (1)

mike77 (519751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503622)

ya know normally I'd just say -1 off troll, but that's just damn funny....

Reminder: Paying the $699 opens you to suits. (2, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503672)

SCO has announced that the $699 discount rate will apply to the end of 2003.

Hey, the $699 troll was right, you cocksmoking teabaggers!

Reminder:

SCO is not suing IBM for infringing it's alleged IP. It's suing them for BREACHING A CONTRACT>

Right now, most Linux users don't have any contractual relationship with SCO. But if you pay the $699 for their blessing to use Linux on ONE machine, they can sue YOU for failing to pay $1399 (or whatever price they pull out of their hat next year, or next century) for ANY ADDITIONAL machines you ever run Linux on. (Which could get problematic with Linux in settop boxes, PDAs, car disk players, etc.)

It's REALLY NOT SMART to PAY them $699 to give them a license to SUE you.

Linux written to compete with SCO? (3, Funny)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503569)

"When (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold us the property, included in the property was a non-compete," McBride told IDG News Service. "Last time I checked, Linux was intended to compete with our core products."

I think Darl is going to have to prove that if he wants to enforce that no-compete clause in the contract.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503613)

"When (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold us the property, included in the property was a non-compete," McBride told IDG News Service. "Last time I checked, Linux was intended to compete with our core products."

I think Darl is going to have to prove that if he wants to enforce that no-compete clause in the contract.


Probably not. It should be enough to show that it DOES compete - which would be trivial.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (3, Interesting)

willy134 (682318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503678)

I don't think Novell is competing with SCO. SCO does not have a product (well one that is worth much at least) The only way I think Novell would be competing with SCO would be to file lawsuits against all things linux.

More than that. IF SCO somehow wins and gets to charge everyone an enormous fee for using linux. Novell would just have to pay SCO, which I don't think is competion.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (4, Insightful)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503753)

Probably not. It should be enough to show that it DOES compete - which would be trivial.

IANAL, but I don't think that's the only thing it has to show. I believe that it would also have to show that by distributing linux, Suse/Novell are having a direct impact upon SCO's business.

Given that Linux is freely distributed by a range of companies, it's hard to see how they can make that case. Also, I wonder how confusing it will be for the courts when they learn that SCO is actually a company that was established to try to profit from distributing someone else's intellectual property, which they had a right to freely distribute, but by using the funds from their IPO to purchase an older technology, they believe they can then prevent the company that originally sold the older technology from distributing the same free operating system that led to their successful IPO in the first place.

Now it may just be me, but I've got a very strong suspicion that any judge or jury who was exposed to the arguments would actually laugh this out of court.

"Nice try fellas, do you really think we are that stupid?"

No, I think there are some very twitchy sphincters in Utah at the moment, so it's time to crank the FUD again and bring out the smoke and mirrors for another quick performance.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (1)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503624)

There's no competition, Linux far outclasses SCOs efforts... isn't that the whole point of this?

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (4, Interesting)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503625)

The non-compete agreement prohibits Novell from directly competing with SCO's Unix-on-Intel business, McBride said.

Linux Is Not UniX, any more so than BSD, BeOS, or MacOSX. Better double check the wording of that contract Darl.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (2)

corbettw (214229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503730)

Darl's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about, in general. But in this case, he's right. Any jury would agree that SuSE Linux does the same thing, and is intended for the same operaations, as SCO UnixWare. I doubt the non-compete says "you can't sell UNIX", it probably says "you can't sell products which compete with UNIX". Which SuSE demonstrably does.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (2)

ninejaguar (517729) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503850)

"you can't sell products which compete with UNIX". Which SuSE demonstrably does.

As does NetWare [masteringnetware.com] .

= 9J =

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (5, Insightful)

prgrmr (568806) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503664)

Depending on how broadly the no-compete clause was written, if it covers linux, there's a chance the same would apply to NetWare as well, cause NetWare isn't Unix either.

On the other hand, hasn't SCO changed their core products to litigation and (trying) to sell licenses for other company's software?

It doesn't cover Netware or Linux. (4, Informative)

roystgnr (4015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503796)

Depending on how broadly the no-compete clause was written, if it covers linux, there's a chance the same would apply to NetWare as well, cause NetWare isn't Unix either.

It doesn't cover either. The relevant line in the contract (as posted on Groklaw if anyone wants to read the whole thing) is:
Seller agrees that it shall use the Licensed Technology only (i) for internal purposes without restriction or (ii) for resale in bundled or integrated products sold by Seller which are not directly competitive with the core products of Buyer and in which the Licensed Technology does not constitute a primary portion of the value of the total bundled or integrated product.

In other words, SCO doesn't just have to prove that Linux competes with their Unices (which is probably true, at least on those computers which don't rely on new-fangled things like "USB" that SCO is still working on support for), they have to prove that the source code they bought from Novell constitutes a primary portion of the value of SuSE Linux!

This is just more BS intended to prop up their stock price; don't bother paying attention until they actually start trying to pull this stuff on a judge, instead of their current backpedaling official stance of "We only have a contract dispute with IBM, and we've never threatened Red Hat with anything more."

Never mind, I misparsed that (1)

roystgnr (4015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503839)

I interpreted an "or" where the sentence reads "and". Guess I should have hit preview one more time...

It's not quite as bad for SCO as I thought, then, but it's still not a non-compete clause, it's a non-compete-with-licensed-technology clause. SCO would still have to prove that SuSE contained the technology Novell sold to SCO, even if it wasn't a primary portion of SuSE.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (5, Funny)

whome (122077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503686)

I don't see how SuSE competes with SCO's core business. As far as I know, SuSE has never sued anyone.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (5, Funny)

jcknox (456591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503691)

It seems to me that the only ones currently competing with SCO's business model are ambulance-chasing lawyers.

Next round of news:

1. SCO patents litigation as a business model; changes name to Tort, Inc.

2. Tort, Inc. (formerly SCO) files suit on over 4000 law firms specializing in personal injury and workers' compensation cases, claiming patent infringement.

3. Tort, Inc. sues US Senate and House of Representatives, claiming tort reform bills designed to threaten innovation and excellence in their product line.

How could Linux compete with SCO's products? (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503774)

"When (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold us the property, included in the property was a non-compete," McBride told IDG News Service. "Last time I checked, Linux was intended to compete with our core products."

I think Darl is going to have to prove that if he wants to enforce that no-compete clause in the contract.

That's going to be tough. How linux could be found to compete with a string of frivolous lawsuits (SCO's core product) I don't really understand.

Re:Linux written to compete with SCO? (3, Funny)

wintermute740 (450084) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503872)

"When (The Santa Cruz Operation) sold us the property, included in the property was a non-compete," McBride told IDG News Service. "Last time I checked, Linux was intended to compete with our core products."

SCO has a core product?! Santa Cruz Operation had a product. SCO has litigation. The difference between the two reminds me of the old anti-drug commercial. Picture of Santa Cruz Operation's upper management, with a voice-over "This is SCO" followed by a pic of Darl McBride and Company, "This is SCO on drugs... Any questions?"

Thinking about this financially... (4, Insightful)

tekiegreg (674773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503570)

Well 17 million $ / $699 = 24,321 (rounding up remainders), can SCO find 24,321 users to pay for the Linux license? Chances are that there are 24,321 corporate workstations that will be paid for should SCO win, so unfortunately SCO wins at this point.

But really, their image? Their likelihood of getting future products bought that they offer? Anyone in the Linux community buying SCO after this? Tangibly this much money still makes sense, but intangibly I'd be concerned about the long term effect on SCO.

Re:Thinking about this financially... (1)

bs_02_06_02 (670476) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503634)

If I had a corporation w/ 100+ users, there's not a chance in hell that I'd pay $699 oer license, per user.
I'd have a tough time justifying the expense even if they chopped that number in 1/2.

If it was down to $100 per user per license, I might consider looking for the corporate checkbook.

Re:Thinking about this financially... (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503790)

I think what SCO is aiming at with that $699 license is that Linux is a server and should be licensed as one
Not their fault they believe that "Linux is not ready for the desktop"...

I have to say though, that server on my laptop is great for playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory!!

Re:Thinking about this financially... (1)

ponxx (193567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503669)

I reckon that SCO realise they'll loose all their remaining business over the next few years and just want to get as much cash now as possible...

Ponxx

SCO news is good news, or is it? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503578)

I just took a break from coding, and thought, "Gee, I haven't checked /. in a while. I wonder what's new with SCO today."

THANKS for being my source of SCO drama!

the dreaded SCO joke... (5, Funny)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503586)

...before the fee jumped to $1399...

Attention all SCO jokes posters, get ready to update your jokes by the end of the year, thank you.

Bootsy! (5, Funny)

kurosawdust (654754) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503588)

Bootsy Collins managed to combine all of today's SCO stories.

Holy crap! Funkalicious bass lines and journalistic know-how? Bootsy, I hardly knew ye...

Re:Bootsy! (5, Funny)

kmankmankman2001 (567212) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503630)

Tear the root off, we're gonna tear the root of, tear the root of this sucka!

Re:Bootsy! (1)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503740)

Tear the root off, we're gonna tear the root of, tear the root of this sucka!

O.K. now. I just about blew diet coke all over my new G5. Please mod this up as funny.

Please, SCO, die already! (0, Flamebait)

FFFish (7567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503590)

They shoot lame horses, don't they? I don't see why McBride and Boies shouldn't be ground up into dogmeat, then. I mean, sure, it was kind of funny at first, but this is now just pathetic and irritating. FOAD, SCO!

I'll tell you why they shouldn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503727)

I don't see why McBride and Boies shouldn't be ground up into dogmeat

Because feeding that to dogs would be animal cruelty.

Oh, for the love of God... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503599)

Isn't it about time to just start ignoring these assholes?

Look, we all know that IBM's lawyers are going to rip off their head and shit down their neck, and that the investors who get stuck with SCO stock are going to end up suing Daryl and co. for their pump-and-dump (although anyone buying SCO right now is in a fool-and-their-money situation).

But constantly going over and over the SCO situation when there's not anything really new is like feeding that troll in your usenet list.

Re:Oh, for the love of God... (3, Funny)

drakaan (688386) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503818)

I, for one, welcome SCO's new neck-shitting overlords...

Re:Oh, for the love of God... (4, Insightful)

Dav3K (618318) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503865)

Yes, IBM's lawyers are doing a great job so far in this litigation, but remember that it is NOT a foregone conclusion that SCO will lose. This is not the kind of issue I would want to be ignorant of and I feel it is our responsibility to keep reporting SCO's tripe and to consistently call it out for what it is, if only for a solid counterpoint to the analysts who continue to push SCO as a 'buy.'

This is an important case because it is one that we MUST win. Suppose we lose, and a new Open Source operating system gets written to replace the IP'd linux. How long will it take SCO et al to pursue it with similar litigation? How ready will coders be to place themselves in the line of legal-fire? We have companies like IBM and Red Hat doing the heavy lifting for us now - how likely are they to continue down this path should they lose this case?

Pretty bleak, and admittedly unlikely outcome. Yet pretty important stuff to most of us here. Hell, I know people who would walk away from computers in disgust should SCO win. Of course this is news, and of course it is reported on Slashdot! THIS is news that matters.

SCO license makes a great gift for the holidays! (5, Funny)

4sheez (719503) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503602)

Now that you can purchase the license until the end of '03, we have the perfect x-mas/kwanza/Chanukah/XXXXX-holiday gift for that linux nerd in your family Get one for mom, dad, the dog... Great stocking stuffer! plaque it up next to that resume before its too late and costs $1400!

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A sad, sad tale that's far from over... (2, Informative)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503614)

The air must be getting stuffy in Darl's bunker. Apparently, he'll be suing Sun and China [slashdot.org] next!

Although if you think about it, a potential 1 billion users popping for Linux licenses at $699 apiece (but only if they act NOW!)... Gotta get me somma that SCOX!

That should be trademarked man! (4, Funny)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503679)

"Gotta get me somma that SCOX!!" (tm) :)

Re:A sad, sad tale that's far from over... (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503723)

I was actually kinda hoping we'd hear more about SCO going after Hollywood [slashdot.org] . Hollywood has the cash to stand up against this with no worries.

Speculation (1)

metal_priest (534211) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503615)

Yay for stock speculation! Just think, sco execs can inflate the value of their stock to some ridiculous point, then sell it and then buy a real linux company and have cash left-over.
Oh well, I'm going to be soo sorry for the less-techy SCO investors when their bubble will burst and the stock/lawsuit/etc will crash & burn.

Posts over time (4, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503623)

This must be one of the most long-running Slashdot stories I've ever seen, and one of the most vehement :-) I wonder what a plot of stories/posts over time would look like...

Simon

Re:Posts over time (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503756)

Probably a lot like a timeline.

Re:Posts over time (1)

GoRK (10018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503860)

I counted the total number of slashdot comments made re: the sco suit -- it was well over 25,000 -- I imagine that it's quite a lot higher now.

What I like about this (4, Funny)

bigjnsa500 (575392) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503628)

I just love the fact that SCO is now paying its lawyers with stock options. I can't wait to see the look on McBride's face when their stock tanks. One thing you never want McBride, is a room full of angry lawyers..

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Re:What I like about this (2, Interesting)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503821)

One Million in cash, Eight Million in stock... How much longer will the eight million in SCOX be worth more than the one milly in cash? SCO is actually paying for their lawyers with a diminishing asset. Brilliant! Most folks pay attorneys all they can cash, and finance the rest. SCO is paying all they can cash, and then substituting a commodity for the remainder, Over time this stock will drop in value (SCO knows this) and the eight million will be five million, or two, or half or none.

Smarter than paying with a credit card.

Re:What I like about this (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503823)

They must be planning to pay more people with stock if I read the SEC filing [yahoo.com] right. Note the last paragraph where it says, "SCO anticipates . . . issuance of the Series A Convertible Preferred Stock of approximately $8,741,000." No hint who that is going to.

Comments on today's SCO conference call (5, Informative)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503638)

I found these comments from the excellent GrokLaw site [groklaw.net] by someone who was able to get in on this morning's teleconference call set up by SCO. See here [groklaw.net] for where I got the comments from, as well as PJ's commentary on recent events in SCOville:

Authored by: radicimo on Tuesday, November 18 2003 @ 12:40 PM EST

Conference call just ended. I had a *1 for questions, but they just cut off the conference before things got too hairy, with a "We have no more callers". LIARS. Also, interesting how Dion Cornett was unable to ask his question. Makes me wonder out loud.

1. They referred to SCOsource licensing as one of the contingencies that created the payment for Boies (really cagey about it too). However they also said that Microsoft in no way was funding the lawsuit. That is a patently untrue then, as MSFT has funded the SCOsource licensing.

I think this one is really important to note. IF there ever is a securities fraud investigation of TSG, some of their comments in the call are patently self-contradictory, and if I was "allowed" to ask my questions these would have come out.

2. Still seems that there are no other licensees besides MSFT and SUNW. I was going to force them to get specific about this and find out when Sun payment will be recorded, and if there were any future contingencies which would lead to additional payments by either.

3. I wanted Boies to explain how the USL v. BSDI lawsuit gave them any legal standing. It doesn't, and seems to weaken it (IANAL).

4. Compete versus non-compete wrt Novell. First UNIX is not Linux, so how are they competing with the letter of the agreement? Second, SCO legacy revenue is decreasing whereas this new partnership (word they used again and again) with a law firm suggests that their core business is now lawsuits. How is Novell competing with that (tongue in cheek)?

5. Has OSDL contacted them about their use of the trademark UNIX, and why do they continue to use this trademark without proper attribution?

The reason why SCO is able to perpetrate the FUD they do is because the press and financial community are not doing their research and asking the hardball questions. Things only got a bit tight when they got called to task on the issue of Boies payment and whether it was a contingency based on past or future actions."

What's the purpose? (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503644)

"The firm of David Boies, SCO's attorney in charge of their Linux IP cases, has announced their compensation (so far) from SCO: $1 million USD in cash, and $8 million in SCO stock.

I'd rather receive 8 million dollars in bat droppings, at least they can be used as a fertilizer (simce the bets are that McBride will became a zombie after all...)

The Novell Bit... (4, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503648)

Should be interesting. After all, Novell could argue simply that "Since we are buying a GNU/Linux company, and GNU means 'Gnu's Not Unix', blah, blah, blah".

The burden of proof should (notice the "should", because the law may say different) be on SCO to prove that Linux *is* UNIX.

If it is according to the law, then there could be problems. If it is not, then Novell's scott free.

Just my $0.02.

Don't be retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503830)

It can't *be* unix, unix is unix. There would be no point to a non-compete following your logic anyways. A non-compete doesn't mean you can't make my product, it means you can't make a competing product. Linux is clearly a competing product, not the same product. Depending on how the agreement is worded, netware could have been infringing.

SCO (5, Interesting)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503653)

The legal action is also causing them to have problems hiring. I was called up by one recuriter/pimp and asked if I would be intrested in working in their call center. To this I gave a firm but polite no. HE then let slip that everyone he had spoken to had said pretty much the same thing.
Oh well

Rus

Re:SCO (4, Funny)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503770)

Let me guess. They wanted to pay you entirely in stock options?

Obligatory simpsons reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503831)

"What's six million shares times zero? And don't say zero!"

"Bart, it's not about how much stock you have, it's about how much copper wire you can get out of the building with."

Re:SCO (2, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503838)

I'd say yes, definitely!

Me: Good day, you've called hell, Satan speaking!
SCO customer: Er, yes, quite... Uhm... Well... My UnixWare server crashed.
Me: Hardware issues. Our software is so shit it doesn't cause crashes, just leprosy, STDs and the occasional appocalypse.
SCO customer: I... see... So, what do you suggest?
Me: How about replacing your hardware with something flashy? Tried using a Super Nintendo?
SCO customer: What's wrong with you!?
Me: I'm just out of maximum security prison after killing the last person who called me. Have you ever enjoyed the sound of a spinal column snapping? It's like music...
SCO customer: *disconnects*

Going after HP's customers... (5, Interesting)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503654)

There was an interesting remark on the Linux Weekly News [lwn.net] site about SCO's suggesting that they plan on going after HP's customers because they are covered by HP's indemnification policy.
"They also made numerous claims that copyright-based lawsuits will be initiated against Linux users in "the next 90 days. There were hints that HP customers could be targeted, as a result of that company's indemnification promise - as had been predicted previously."
It looks like IBM were extremely smart not to offer indemnification, despite the calls from the peanut gallery for them to do so, but I wonder how the people at HP feel, getting a good solid assfucking like this after they sponsored the recent SCO roadshow?

IANAL, but I suspect now might be a good time to join in RedHat's suit against Darl and his crack smoking band of pirates.

News? (4, Informative)

stephenry (648792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503655)

Put it this way: SCOX stock had been in free-fall for days (opened today around $13.5); after a phone-in, that was announced at 10:30pm last night, they declare that they will sue Novell; stock rises (now over $14.5).

And this has been going on for months.

Strange.

SCO and BSDi Copyrights (3, Interesting)

BanjoBob (686644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503656)

Lawyer in a Box (4, Funny)

malia8888 (646496) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503658)

From the Article: The SCO Group has again extended its offer of cut-price Linux licences, this time until the end of the year - and possibly beyond. The UnixWare licensing scheme, announced at the beginning of August, set the price at $1,399 (828) per server for Fortune 1000 companies, but offered a special price of $699 for those who signed up before 15 October.

The attractive feature of this software product is that it is bundled with a blue-suited lawyer-in-a-box.

Who wins when SCO takes on SCO? (1)

spectasaurus (415658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503659)

Question: How can SCO claim that they own Linux, and then turnaround and say that Novell's version competes with theirs?

Answer: They can't!

Bunch of jackasses!

Darl Named a top 25 CEO (5, Informative)

jaymzter (452402) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503677)

CRN in a grand exhibition of both lack of research and insight has Darl McBride listed as one of the top 25 CEOs this year [crn.com] . My favorite quote is about us Open Source Communists:

"It's like back on the farm where we had to break a new colt and try and tame them," McBride says.

Now you know why Wall Street loves this guy. This is a glowing review of the man and his mission for Team Capitalism.

There's No Free Lunch -- Or Free Linux (2, Interesting)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503687)

Recent Press Release from, SCOX

LINDON, Utah, Nov 05, 2003 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- The SCO(R) Group (SCO) , the owner of the UNIX operating system, today announced that Chief Executive Officer Darl McBride, will deliver a keynote address at the Enterprise IT Week/Computer Digital Expo (CDXPO) conference in Las Vegas on Tuesday, November 18 at 5:00 p.m. The conference and keynote will take place at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center.

In his address titled "There's No Free Lunch -- Or Free Linux," McBride will present his perspectives on the prospects of free industries, SCO's suit against IBM, and why intellectual property must be protected in a digital age.

"The Internet created -- and creatively destroyed -- great wealth. It also created a culture legitimizing intellectual property theft," said McBride. "When you defend intellectual property, you speak an unpleasant truth. People don't like to hear unpleasant truths. The alternative to this fight, however, is the death of an industry and thousands of jobs lost."

McBride will also explore how the information technology industry - software, hardware, networking and services -- depends on money passing from one hand to another, asserting that the livelihood of engineers and developers rests on paid models, even as those developers donate time to free projects such as Linux. McBride will lay out his assertion that without paid software, there would be little or no free software. At the conclusion of his keynote, McBride will be available for media questions.

McBride's keynote will be followed by a Town Hall discussion moderated by Jack Powers, conference chairman of Enterprise IT Week and director of the International Informatics Institute...


What is the "Enterprise IT Week/Computer Digital Expo (CDXPO) conference"? Is it important?

Why would they invite McBride to give him a platform from which to hurl his dispatches
from the surreal and serial random threats? Comic relief?

Why invite McBride? (2, Insightful)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503813)

"Why would they invite McBride to give him a platform from which to hurl his dispatches from the surreal and serial random threats? Comic relief?"

"At the conclusion of his keynote, McBride will be available for media questions."

Every time he opens his mouth to the media, IBM collects more ammunition.

Non-compete (2, Interesting)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503689)

The non-compete, I'm guessing, would have been regarding the unix source code that was licensed (not sold) to SCO... which would make good sense right? Why would SCO buy the completel rights to it if Novell could turn around and compete with them using it?

Of course, that has nothing to do with OTHER operating systems.. Novell has always been in the networked OS market, and using linux is hardly any differnet than using Novell's old stuff in that respect. Linux is not unix, as everyone except SCO is fond of saying.

Sweet! More SCO news! (1, Funny)

capn_buzzcut (676680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503716)

I want SCO news 24/7, day, nite, morning and evening. I wanna read about SCO on the back of my Wheaties box. Is there a SCO channel? Sign me up. What's happening in the SCO executive lounge bathroom now? I WANNA KNOW. I want a 27 way, split screen webcam view of anything and everything happening at SCO. Did someone mention SCO? Email me that quote right NOW dammit. I want my SCO-TV. YES YES YES give me more SCO news right away. I demand up-to-the-minute coverage all day, every day, of anything and everything even remotely related to SCO. Is there a SCO vs IBM Nintendo game yet? DAMMIT! Please post more SCO news now!

Re:Sweet! More SCO news! (1)

stevesliva (648202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503793)

I want SCO news 24/7, day, nite, morning and evening.
Sure, no problem. [groklaw.net]

Re:Sweet! More SCO news! (1)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503817)

The SCO court case is moving way too slow to get that sort of constant media attention. Maybe in a /. story a year from now we'll see all of the alledged "evidence" of SCO's case.

Stock Options (1)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503717)

Paying in stock options seems like it would give lawyers more motivation to keep the stock value up. If they were paid in cold-hard-cash, they would have less to lose should (when) the case flops. If nothing else, it looks like the lawyers money.location() == mouth.location();

hmm, wonder if SCO owned THAT code, too. From how they're acting, probably not.

Now as far as admitting they're chasing their own customers away with their actions, are they really going to make this one final stand based on IP rights? Man, what a business model to work with. 8Q However, if it is indeed their last stand, it can only get uglier/funnier from here.

Deal with SCO the way you deal with Pirates (1)

voss (52565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503720)

Millions for Defense not one cent for Tribute!

Every 10 dollars some schmuck company gives them in licenses or payoffs is another 8 dollars they can use to sue all the other companies and another 2 dollars in the lawyers pockets.

The only way seemingly to end this is to buy
out SCO completely or to bankrupt them completely.

Im not sure bankruptcy can work because they could simply shrink themselves down to a company with no employees whos only assetts are their IP and then still have the lawyers persue them

What I Want to Know (4, Interesting)

4of12 (97621) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503729)


...is the status of IBM's filings to compel discovery not just from SCO, but with companies investing in SCO.

This could get particularly sticky if SCO's legal team has a strong financial stake in SCO and the outcome.

Attorney/client privilege is pretty strong, but can it be pried apart if there is evidence of, oh, say fraud?

Re:What I Want to Know (2, Interesting)

Tsu Dho Nimh (663417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503837)

..is the status of IBM's filings to compel discovery not just from SCO, but with companies investing in SCO. (snip) Attorney/client privilege is pretty strong, but can it be pried apart if there is evidence of, oh, say fraud?"

Oh yes. There is a difference between advising a client and collusion. But I'm beginning to wonder if Boies and Heise and the rest have slipped across the line.

SCO may finally have a case ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503741)

SCO may finally have a case ... against Novell.
Their anti-Linux schtick is bogus, but if they
have a non-compete agreement with Novell, then
they have a case their fellow Utah residents.
Maybe Novell should just pay off Ray Noorda's
extortion racket.

What did Spock find in the toilet? (-1)

jizzmaster0 (718625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503742)

The Captain's Log!

The story of how this will end (spoiler!) (3, Funny)

AwesomeJT (525759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503751)

SCO and IBM fight for years. Eventaully, SCO wins a few battles but by then most of the linux community has moved to kernel 3.0 which removed any offending code years ago. IBM has merged the AIX stuff to Linux without any offending code (of course, they're still running old 2.8 stuff). SCO lingers with a few large companies paying the lisc demanded of them (typical scare tatics apply). Eventually, SCO stock dips to penny stock levels and the lawyers cash out for nickles on the dollar and the lawyers start asking for "real money" instead of stock. SCO goes bankrupt (re-org). Flownders around for a few years trying to re-organize until they finally give up the ghost. SCO will eventually die but perhaps take half the computing industry with it. Windows becomes the unquestioned king of desktop AND server operating systems. Bill Gates declares himself God of IT and all systems must authenticate with the Master Server in Redmond. The world is cursed with rampant hacking, script kiddies, worms, viruses, and the like (someone thought trust-based security was a good idea). This all leads to a massive breakdown in society and the end of the world as we know it.

Boycott SCO customers! (5, Interesting)

i_r_sensitive (697893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503761)

This crap has continued long enough. It's high time that we the people start punishing the people who use SCO software. Perhaps a nice on-line petition to send to SCO customers indicating that the undersigned will boycott their businesses until such a time as SCO desists in their nuisance behaviour, or that the business in question terminates all their relationships with SCO.

The operative principle is a well understood one, that once you lose a customer (for any reason) it is very difficult to get them back. I don't think the folks over at SCO will change their tune, since it is apparent that they've put all their eggs in the legal basket. But, I really don't think I want to support SCO's customers with my money either.

Incidentally, I'm also pushing at my work to discontinue supporting older versions of our application which run on SCO, and provide those customers a free upgrade path to the Linux based versions. This may be successful, for more than purely ideological reasons as well. I don't think it is a coincidence that when we ported the original SCO version to Linux over 80% of our support issues disappeared overnight on those deployments. This certainly helps my case, and is a non-scientific indicator of what garbage their product actually is, source owner or not,

Warn customers when they buy the software. (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503858)

Linux Software companies to put a big warning on their software boxes to tell customers not to pay a dime of SCO ip license/SCAM .

Got a license as birthday gift... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503764)

The first time my parents care about my real hobbies and what do I get? A SCO license for $699.

What can I do to reverse this? I don't wan't to hurt my parents.

What will happen now since SCO knows my address? I don't wan't to get sued either.

The historical importance of SCO (5, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503773)

Guys,

You are watching history in the making. SCO might look like an annoying pest, a cynical manipulator of the stock market, a bucket of shit without the bucket, but think about how future generations will view this.

First, this is the first serious industry-wide debate about the legitimacy of Linux, as an open source concept, as a child of the GPL, and as an operating system. The simple fact that people are prepared to go to war (and this is war) over Linux raises it from a curiosity to a treasure.

Second, this is of course about much more than SCO vs. The World, and future generations will place it in its correct context. Mainly, this is about Microsoft trying to ward off the oncoming Linux mammoth, unable to attack Linux head-on for many reasons, but unable to watch as it demolishes their market with an apparently unstoppable force.

Thirdly, this is about the Old versus the New, on the one side the forces of "software is a product" and on the other, the forces of "software is a commodity technology". The period 1998-2003 saw software evolve from a rare and precious thing to something that is so cheap we simply can't build harddisks large enough any more. SCO and Microsoft are firmly in the "Old" camp, IBM and most of the rest of the world are in the "New" camp. You don't need to be a genius to see the inexorable grip that the technology cycle has on software, and the consequences of this.

SCO lost before they started, that is clear. But this battle defines the line that must be crossed to move into the future. Stick with proprietary platforms, die. Move to commodity platforms, live and prosper.

It would be a good time to sell your Microsoft shares too: $51 billion can disappear remarkably quickly when the money stops rolling in.

Re:The historical importance of SCO (1)

citizen6350 (699527) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503861)

I really dont see your link between SCO and Microsoft But SCO has certainly lost. Unfortunately they dont seem to realize it yet. WTF, SCO? IMHO: STFU.

GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7503791)

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda stepped off the bus and was led into the yard of the Michigan State Correctional Institute. He had been given ten years for participating in a stock fraud. Five with good behavior. Years spent basking in the glow of a CRT had been hard on him. His body was frail, his skin pallid. He knew he could never make it through ten years in the general population with his virginity intact. He had to get into solitary. As soon as the burly guard unshackled him he made his move. Exhaling a feminine "hmmph" he weakly slapped the guard. He was quickly taken to the ground, receiving a swift kick to the ribs before being restrained. As he was dragged to the solitary confinement cell he felt nothing but relief. "At least in solitary," he thought "I'll be safe." Unfortunately for CmdrTaco he had picked the wrong guard to mess with.
The next few days were uneventful. The time in his cell he spent evenly between sleeping, reading a "Perl for Dummies" book he had gotten from the book cart, and masturbating furiously. His self-flagellation was interrupted on the fourth day. The burly guard he had attacked earlier stepped into his cell. The gleam in the guards eye and the mean grin on his face made CmdrTaco's pecker quickly shrivel in his hand. "You fucked with the wrong man when you fucked with Michael Simms," said the guard. "The inmates here call me The Asshole for a reason. Now come with me, punk."
The guard led him down the hall to one of several empty shower stalls. He roughly threw CmdrTaco in the stall and locked the door. CmdrTaco was petrified. His mind raced as he imagined the myriad of different tortures that could be in store for him. His worst fears were confirmed when the guard returned. In his hands were a short black dress, black stilleto heels, and a curly blonde wig. "Strip down and put this on, bitch." CmdrTaco did as instructed and was pleased to notice that the dress fit well and the heels gave him a nice slimming effect. The burly guard admired the drag queen. "The GNAA is gonna love you!"
The guard left the shower stall, only to return minutes later. He opened the door and led 20 large black men into the stall. "CmdrTaco, meet the Gay Nigger Association of America. GNAA, meet CmdrTaco. I'm sure you all will get along fine." With that the guard slammed the shower door closed and walked away laughing.
The men approached CmdrTaco, backing him into a corner. The apparent leader stepped forward. "No matter what I'm gonna fuck that purdy lil' ass of yours. Now I can fuck it dry or you can lube it up for me." CmdrTaco knew he had no choice. He kneeled in front of the leader, who began to slap his face with his 10 black inches. Puss from syphilictic sores quickly covered CmdrTaco's cheeks. When the leader was sufficiently aroused he placed his throbbing cock up to CmdrTaco's lips. As soon as CmdrTaco opened his mouth the leader violently shoved his manhood to the back of CmdrTaco's throat and exclaimed "Swallow my shit you cracker bitch!" CmdrTaco gagged as he was violently face fucked.
Just when he was about to pass out the leader pulled out, turned him around and shoved his cock into CmdrTaco's ass. CmdrTaco began to scream in agony but his cries were quickly muffled by one of the other gang member's cocks. They rode him like that for the better part of an hour. When one man finished another quickly took his place. Just as CmdrTaco was getting used to the throbbing pain in his anus the men stopped. One man lay down on the floor and CmdrTaco was told to get on top of him and take his dick inside him. Exhausted and humiliated, CmdrTaco had no will left to fight. As soon as he inserted the penis another man came up behind him and began to force his cock into CmdrTaco's already filled anus. Again his screams of agony were muffled, this time by a smelly black anus.
For another hour he was violated in this way. When the men were finished with him he couldn't walk and his mouth was filled with dingleberries and ass hairs. Before they all left the leader had some parting words for CmdrTaco: "Thanks for that sweet piece of ass, punk. We'll see you again tomorrow. Oh by the way, we all have AIDS." It was going to be a long ten years for CmdrTaco.

SCO stock as payment? (4, Insightful)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503847)

The firm of David Boies, SCO's attorney in charge of their Linux IP cases, has announced their compensation (so far) from SCO: $1 millio USD in cash, and $8 million in SCO stock.

Taking stock in the company you are representing as payment? Is it just me, or does that seem wrong?

Lawyer Compensation (2, Funny)

isoga (670113) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503855)

...announced their compensation (so far) from SCO: $1 million USD in cash, and $8 million in SCO stock.
So that would be $1 million then ;0

NY tech stuff [homelinux.net]

What competition? (2, Informative)

Professor D (680160) | more than 10 years ago | (#7503856)

Nice try, Duh-rl.

Last time I checked, Novell was in the business of making a profit by selling and supporting products they own to customers.

Therefore SCO and Novell are not anywhere near the same business space and the non-compete clause doesn't apply.

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