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McBride Speaks, In Person And In Print

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the other-than-the-suit-how-was-the-parade dept.

Caldera 782

Phil Windley writes "Darl McBride gave the keynote at CDXPO this evening and held a press conference afterwards. I've posted my summary of his talk and the press conference on my weblog. In his talk, Darl seemed to be saying "Don't hate me. I'm only doing what I had to do."" On the other hand, in this interesting interview with CRN, McBride comes one whisker from likening Linux users to drug users, renews threats to sue end users, and says "all the big guys" are out to get SCO.

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THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING, THANKS SLASHDOT! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507911)

NOT!

Re:THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING, THANKS SLASHDOT! (-1)

handybundler (232934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508154)

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1st post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507912)

first post w00t

Re:1st post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507944)

YOU FAIL IT!

Not (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507913)

There is no way in hell this is the first post

Not another one! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507916)

Two in one day!

TWO in ONE day!

Isn't this the first sign of (another) apocalypse?

you are a pathetic failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507963)

we all hate you. kill yourself now.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507918)

fourth post!

Re:FP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507983)

YOU FAIL IT! what a total douche you are.

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508020)

we...
will...
D13!!!

alternative title... (2, Funny)

borgdows (599861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507923)

McBride Speaks, Listeners laugh!

Re:alternative title... (1)

xmorg (718633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508134)

what a hypocrite! His sconix is mostly Linux and GNU. He wants the Linux comunity to like him while he is bashing us and threatening to sue everything that is Linux and not SCO? As bush would say: Ether you are with us, or you are with Redmond.

Re:alternative title... (2, Insightful)

nysus (162232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508157)

Watch out!


The saying goes a little something like this:


First you ignore them,
Then you laugh at them,
Then you fight them,
Then they win.

dmca? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507928)

"The GPL is in violent collision with the DMCA. That's why Linux guys are opposed to the DMCA."

What's he mean by that?

Re:dmca? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507952)

He means:
"We were never able to make a decent Linux distribution. We were never able to get a penny out of sueing Microsoft over DOS. So, let's sue Linux. Maybe we can get away with it."

No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508097)

What he means is:

Don't hate me because I'm doing what i have to do. Hate me because I fucked Paris Hilton and all you got was the 30 minute tape. Oh... yeah. AND I'm going to steal your kernel.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508127)

Damn. I was sorta hoping the "violent collision" had to do with McBride and Sontag's heads and something very heavy.

Bummer.

Re:dmca? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507953)

I haven't the foggiest. The GPL is strengthened by the DMCA. Now, the people who generally ascribe to the GPL often do not like intellectual "property" ideas in general (it's pretty absurd, treating all copies of something as one thing) but the DMCA did not affect the actual enforceability of the GPL except to strengthen it a teeny bit.

Hmm. Rollerball? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507943)

(No, not the remade piece of shit, the original version)

Is this the beginning of the Corporate Wars?

You go girl!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507945)

Schweet mutherfuckah. McBride on slashdot. WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOIN ON HERE.

So who REALLY is behind all this SCO nonsense? (2, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507947)

You guessed it... Frank Stallone

One Word... (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507948)

Nuts. Or Psycho, if you prefer.

It seems he seriously believes he's doing this "For the good of all".

God Help Us.

Tinfoil time (2, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507950)

and says "all the big guys" are out to get SCO.

Right. But apart from paranoia, SCO also seem to suffer from Multiple Personalities Disorder (once they were a Linux vendor, now they hate the GPL), therefore they'll be fine because they outnumbers their ennemies 2 to 1.

Re:Tinfoil time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508080)

He's right. All the big guys are out to get SCO. What he didn't mention is that all the little and medium-sized guys hate them too.

Always Wondered (5, Interesting)

Preach the Good Word (723957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507951)

I've always wondered about people like Darl McBride. Obviously, they are paid a great deal of money to put a certain spin on things, and they try very hard to do it. What I've never understood about the psychology of it is this: do they actually believe themselves? Do they start out knowing they are lying, then convince themselves about it along the way? Or does the notion of truth not even cross their minds, as they are busy trying to define the reality they want?

Re:Always Wondered (1)

gmajor (514414) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508031)

It sounds like he actually does believe himself. I liken him to those CEO's (even Hitler!)who have surrounded themselves with yes men and believe in every half-brained idea that spews out of their mouth.

Not that I am comparing Darl McBride to Hitler.

Re:Always Wondered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508103)

Hitler idea: Blond-haired, blue-eyed white germanic people are a superior life form.

McBride idea: The linux kernel belongs to SCO.

Yep, two ideas equivalent in their lunacy.

Re:Always Wondered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508056)

They know the truth. Just like a televangelist goes into the backroom later and makes a joke about getting some old lady's life savings *cough*Benny Hinn*cough*.

There are no delusions in their minds, that's why its called "the godawful truth". Within a small enough circle, the godawful truth is freely spoken once the lie has grown beyond it. (see: terrible lie). Like most scammers, these guys probably take pleasure in the people that fall for it, and have to show off their exploits to their buddies.

Re:Always Wondered (5, Interesting)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508108)

Darl seems to be of the same mindset as lawyers who defend mass murderers. He simply represents the tiny subset of the truth that best serves his client. I would imagine by repeating that small subset of the truth day in and day out, Darl sees it as the entire truth, regardless of how truly true that truth is.

You also pointed out that he makes a great deal of money. I'm sure that helps a lot.

Fuck the bastard (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507954)

Enough said

Interesting note at the end of the interview (4, Interesting)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507957)

CRN: How can you win suing customers and what happens if you go after HP customer?

McBride: The interesting scenario is, do you go after an HP customer or an IBM customer? That's what David is the master of. That's his final decision


So, if I am understanding this, the lawer is in charge.

Anybody else shocked?

Re:Interesting note at the end of the interview (1)

Gwala (309968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508011)

He does own substantial stock, it could seem very likely.

-Gwala

Re:Interesting note at the end of the interview (2, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508014)

Anybody else shocked ?

Actually, and sadly, no.

Caldera (now SCO) has been sueing people for a long time now. (See: Caldera x Microsoft)

Tour (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507960)

I hope McBride comes to columbus ohio - there hasn't been a deent stand up comic here in *years*

Medication? (4, Funny)

Empiric (675968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507961)

Hmm... self-contradiction, baseless claims, conspiracy theories, projection, delusions of grandeur... aren't these primary symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia?

Re:Medication? (-1)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507997)

I always knew Eric S. Raymond was a wack job. Glad I'm not alone on that one.

Re:Medication? (1)

Hi_2k (567317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508048)

Thats what the doctors say, but the people in my teeth know better. They know they're part of the MLB conspiracy. No-one understands but me. You're all blind! BLIND, I TELL YOU!

Re:Medication? (3, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508106)

I don't know ... I'm not a psychologist but it seems to me that McBride is more of a sociopath than anything else. He probably knows the difference between right and wrong, but simply doesn't care. I mean, if he were a true psychopath he would probably have murdered a few people by now and have ended up with a life sentence. On the other hand, there are many shades of sociopathy: the neighbor that borrows all your power tools and never returns them, or the realtor that knowingly sells you a house infested with termites. These people know that what they are doing is wrong, but they do it anyway because it gets them what they want. McBride has to know that what he is doing is wrong and is hurting a lot of individuals and companies, but he's doing it anyway because it gets him what he wants. And if he has convinced himself that his actions are correct and aboveboard, then he is mentally ill and should be checked into a good sanitarium. Better yet, make it a third-rate facility ... maybe they'll give him ECT for practice.

Why does he hate himself? (5, Funny)

ericandrade (686380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507962)

1. Attack everybody you know
2. Claim you're doing what you got to do (voices?)
3. P .. .
3. . .. p p p .rrr. . .

3. .. ..... PRISON!!!!!

Re:Why does he hate himself? (1)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507989)

"3. .. ..... PRISON!!!!!"

Having read that, I had a vision quickly flash before my eyes of Daryl being bent over in a dingy cell getting ass-raped by a guy in a big penguin suit.

The funniest part was the silly smile on Tux's face.

Re:Why does he hate himself? (3, Funny)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508038)

SLANDER!! Tux is NOT GAY!

Though he might use a rolled up print out of the 2.6 kernel ;-)

Re: GODDAMNIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508017)

You fucked up step 3!!! Step 3 is always "???". Idiot!!

Re: GODDAMNIT (0)

ericandrade (686380) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508156)

I leave reality distortion fields to steve.

McBride's new book: Be Hated in 10 Easy Steps! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507964)

Very few create.
Any asshole can litigate.

Re:McBride's new book: Be Hated in 10 Easy Steps! (1)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508164)

Amazon link?

Do not be concerned (-1, Insightful)

.Bruce Perens (150539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507967)

This is just chest thumping, and my inbox is full of more examples from Mr. McBride that have a similar tone. What he fails to realize is that SCO is no longer in a position to even threaten people with a lawsuit anymore. Novell's patent was strong on it's own, but the SuSE acquisition added code modifications to the kernel that elevated the 1997 definition of "code deviation" to the point where it is so removed, no court will buy into it. I'd be very surprised if a court even bothers to hear the case at this point.

Re:Do not be concerned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508030)

I'm sure you all, like me, have been praying for Daryl to die under a falling pile of legal briefs.

When reading the most inciteful blog I know [blogspot.com] , I ran accross this great link explaining why our prayers aren't answered [victorious.org] .

Huh? (2, Informative)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508129)

You aren't the real Perens.

You're .Bruce Perens

The real Perens is #3872.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508153)

And the user ID determines the quality of the post how? I doubt you're really a fox made of titanium. His ID could be anything and his ID could be 1,000,000 ... I prefer to judge a post based on the value of it's content, thank you.

Issues (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507968)

Usually, when individuals start bandying about phrases such as "the big guys are all out to get us" one begins to think that maybe treatment for paranoia or some other delusional condition might be in order.

Re:Issues (1)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508066)

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that nobody's out to get you.

In this case, he's probably just nuts.

Here's the Meat of the Story... (5, Informative)

instantkarma1 (234104) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507969)

and I quote:

McBride: Our goal is not to blow up Linux. People ask why we don't go after the distributors...'If you have such a strong case, why not shut down Red Hat?' Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal.

Re:Here's the Meat of the Story... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508073)

This shows how completely clueless they are about the GPL. Royalties are explicitly forbidden. The code is either distributed without being encumbered or it cannot be distributed.

hmmm (1)

Erick the Red (684990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507970)

"all the big guys" are out to get SCO.

Geez, I wonder why.

It's not like they started it or anything.

poor SCO

"Users" (2, Informative)

SpaceRook (630389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507977)

In case anyone thinks Darl McBride is more clever than he actually is, the "drug users and computer users" joke is pretty old.

Make MS pay Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7507978)

Click the MS ad for UNIX services for WINDOWS at the top of the page. Here's the url [doubleclick.net]

Make MS pay for these anti-sco pro-linux stories.

What end-products? (5, Funny)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507981)

David comes on, he's now a shareholder, he's rowing with us, and let's face it, he's added significant value to our company since February. Our stock was around a buck, now it's $14.

And what are the end-products your company makes?

Re:What end-products? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508147)

And what are the end-products your company makes?

That is such 20th century thinking. The next century business model is profit by litagation.

Re:What end-products? (3, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508151)

Lawsuits!

I can't wait to see their next quarterly 10Q statement, and see how the death spiral continues in their main business while the rest of the enterprise hinges on settlements and/or courthouse victories. Either way, I suspect in 5 years SCO will be but a distant memory.

In case of slashdotting: (4, Informative)

Spytap (143526) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507993)

From the blog, copied and pasted.

"Carl McBride: Linux Won't Remain Free

The evening keynote at CDXPO is by Darl McBride. On the way in they handed out a pamphlet from WIPO entitled "Intellectual Property: A Power Tool for Economic Growth." I'm not sure who decided to hand it out, but I think its a little silly.

Darl starts out with a history of SCO. He says "SCO = UNIX." (Note: in the interest of my fingers, I'm going to stop typing "he says" and just type the essence of his speech. If I add commentary of my own, I'll note that.) A year ago, the answer to the question "who owns UNIX?" would have gotten a variety of responses. While there are many branches of UNIX, they all tie into the same tree trunk. AIX, HPUX, and others are licensed products of SCO. There are more than 6000 licensees with access to UNIX source code. Now he world knows that SCO owns those licenses.

When Darl joined SCO, its market cap had gone from a billion dollars to 6 million and had about 6 months of operating funds in the bank. When he looked at the assets, he saw $60 million in revenue, a channel of resellers, and intellectual property. He didn't think the company was getting the most from its IP assets and saw IP infringements from "the upstart Linux."

He was told when he examined this space that going after Linux infringements would bring down the wrath of the Linux community on the company. He didn't see the Linux community as one of his assets. His constituents are his shareholders and customers.

SCO set up a licensing program to put UNIX libraries on Linux. IBM threatened that they would not support SCO on their products if they didn't retract their licensing program. 20% of SCO's operating systems ship on IBM hardware. IBM thought the program would imply licensing issues with Linux. IBM was talking about taking major parts of AIX and moving it into Linux. Since IBM makes a large portion of its revenue from its IP, SCO thought this was unfair.

SCO got to the point where they had one option left: litigation. That set in place a chain of events that led to the last six months. What is not in dispute:
SCO owns all UNIX System V source code
SCO owns agreements to all UNIX vendors
SCO owns all UNIX System V copyrights
SCO owns all claims for violation of UNIX licenses.
SCO controls UNIX System V derivative works.

SCO doesn't own the derivative, but they have rights to confidentiality that are the same as for the original work.

The Linux infringements include literal copying, obfuscated copying, derivative works, and non-literal transfers.

Darl takes on what he calls urban myths surrounding SCO.
I am not a Penguin Slayer or a Suit-Happy Cowboy.
SCO does not want to destroy open source or Linux. With the appropriate checks and balances, open source has merit.
End users are not safe in taking a wait and see position. SCO is contacting customers and asking them to take a license of litigate position.
Linux infringements cannot be fixed by simply removing or changing it.
The GPL is at risk, but IBM put it on the table, not SCO as part of the litigation.

Some other points:
There's no free lunch or free Linux. The value proposition of Linux is UNIX for free. Free models such as free music, free Internet, free bandwidth, and free love haven't worked.
Giving away a UNIX-like OS for free isn't a problem. What is a problem is giving away UNIX or pieces of it when you don't own it.
Free software removes the incentive for innovation. There will lost jobs and lack of competition. SCO is in a tug-of-war between those who want software to be free and those who support proprietary software. SCO is a bellwether for this giant tug-of-war.
This country was built on the notion of property ownership and being about to protect one's property. What's left in this company are concepts and ideas. If you take away the ability to protect that, we're reduced out ability to compete as a country (cue the break out the flag, someone).

Predictions:
GPL will not survive. Open source will survive, but the GPL will have to be reworked in a way that is more pro-business.
Linux will not be free.
UNIX on Intel will continue to drive mission critical applications.
SCO will prevail in its legal battle. SCO is now worth $200 million and has $60 million in the bank. SCO is committed to seeing this through.

SCO would like this to end up with SCO and Linux peacefully coexisting and competing.

I attended the press conference that Darl held right after his talk for "accredited members of the media." I figured I was accredited as much as the next guy since I publish a blog. There are about 40 people in the room. Here's some of the questions and my paraphrase of the answer.
What about SCO's pattern of non-enforcement? It depends on the topic we're speaking of. The problem that gets most problematic are trade secrets. Out strongest claims are not on the trade secrets side--they are on the copyright side. There was no significant violations in the Linux code base. The infringements show up after 2001.
Critics have said SCO previously participated in open source. Did SCO give its own code away? From a legal standpoint, this is not an issue, but its a PR issue.
Did some of the cash ($60 million) come from Microsoft? Microsoft took out a license. Sun took out a license and the next version of Solaris will have a better range of drivers.
Do you have claims against BSD or BSD derivative works? In the settlement agreement of 1994, there were about 100 files that were protected. We have found files inside Linux that come from BSD that don't have proper copyright notifications. We haven't done a code review of BSD.
What would you say to customers who say "we didn't know we were infringing?" The only people we will sue are people who were notified six months ago that there were copyright infringements inside of Linux. Clauses 11 and 12 of the GPL say there is no warranty. The quid pro quo of the GPL is that you get it for free, but the end user takes on the liability. IBM says that since IBM doesn't do distributions, they can't be sued. All we want is justice. The GPL is in violent collision with the DMCA. That's why Linux guys are opposed to the DMCA. Something has got to give.
What percentage of Linux is infringing? Roughly one million lines of code. 20% of the Linux kernel. BSD is in a clear legal environment. There are dozens of protected BSD files that have made there way into Linux.
In your presentation you contrasted proprietary and free software. CIOs aren't attracted to free so much as the ability to work with the source code and cooperate with other organization in software that doesn't differentiate their business. Why didn't you mention this model? That may be true. So, should we ask all the database companies to give away their IP to raise the overall functionality of databases. These people are demolishing the value of my company. Just because my stuff isn't differentiating for the customer, doesn't mean its not a valuable asset for SCO.
Who was notified of infringement? The Fortune 1000 and the Global 500.
Won't shareholders lose in the end from the bad publiciity? For every person who illegally contributed code to the Linux code base, there are 20 who followed the rules. Its understandable that they'll be angry. Even so, our customers are happy that we're able to continue to deliver services for them.
Will you do an analysis of BSD source tree and all derivative works. How much time will that take? We know for a fact that there are copyright violations going on in the Linux code base. We have enough sorted out to pursue our course in the next 90 days. The more you pull on this yarn, the more come out. We need to get our arms around the BSD front. We can only focus so much with our limited energies. Right now, we're focusing on Linux. We'll get to BSD next year.
What do you think of HP's indemnification of Linux users? in HP's case we had a lot of discussions regarding getting them clean. To do that, we had to get to the point where they would come in and pay for the versions of Linux their customers are using. It would have cost them hundreds of millions of dollars. They probably figured they could pay for a lot fo indemnification before they paid out that money. The challenge with HP's situation is that if SCO goes out and starts issuing invoices to their customers, HP has to keep paying. HP will have a tough time turning this around. The alternative is for them to ask their customers to ask SCO to sue them and HP will indemnify them against suit. Other vendors might be more interested in working a deal with SCO upfront since they don't have as deep of pockets.
Does Microsoft have an direct or indirect claims on your equity? No. Originally they did based on the Xenix purchase from Microsoft, but that went away in 1999.
What kinds of "checks and balances" were you talking about in your earlier talk? Linus, for as big a cultural leader that he is, put blinders on with respect to IP entanglements. Why didn't GNU grow up to be the big overpowering OS? They never got the kernel right since they were very concerned about IP infringement. With IBM's help the Linux kernel has become viable. OSDL and other efforts are taking the right steps to set up an environment that respect IP.

My thoughts as I listened:
Some of this seems like an apology or at least an explanation. "Don't hate me," he seems to be saying. "I did what I did for the shareholders."
I think the continued reference to intellectual property, with the emphasis on property, does a disservice to real property rights. IP is different, constitutionally, from real property.
I think Darl's overall position is that he's protecting the shareholders and feels that's what he has to do.
The point that Darl made clearly several times, is that Linux couldn't be viable without UNIX code. Somehow that code solves problems (as does Windows) that other people can't figure out on their own. I'm afraid that a trail won't shed much more light opn this, but it seems to be the heart of the matter. Is there something so special about UNIX code that Linux couldn't have grown up without it, or if, in fact, there is UNIX code in Linux, is it something that is not critical or could be easily replaced.

I have some sympathy for Darl's position. I don't think that Darl could have done his job and ignored what he felt were real infringements. Nevertheless, I hate what its doing to the momentum that has been building behind open source. The answer won't be as simple as SCO just going away as much as we might like that. I guess the best way to look at this is that this issue is real and it needs to be cleared up sooner or later. I firmly hope that the end result is in favor of open source software."

My favorite quote... (1)

darnok (650458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507994)

> We're on the side of the silent majority

So that would be the majority consisting of a few hundred SCO employees and Microsoft, but excluding IBM, RedHat, all Linux users, the OSS community in general, ...

McBride knows Tricky-questions-dodging-fu (4, Insightful)

Jesrad (716567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7507999)

Attendee: Critics have said SCO previously participated in open source. Did SCO give its own code away?
McBride: From a legal standpoint, this is not an issue, but its a PR issue.


Nice dodge, we'll see if it works as well in court.

Any way to scare SCO off? (4, Insightful)

MarcQuadra (129430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508000)

I don't know. I hope something very personal and very scary happens to people like McBride.

The law is obviously going to take a long time to work, and his army of lawyers working on huge sums of borrowed money will just keep leeching from the Linux camp. This might be something you and I can brush off, but the PHBs out there are REALLY not going to take on OSS software so long as shit like this keeps happening.

Re:Any way to scare SCO off? (1)

subk (551165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508077)

My PHB thinks Darl is a nut job.

Same old same old (1)

davmoo (63521) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508002)

McBride is practicing an age old bit of wisdom...

If ya can't dazzle 'em with intelligence, baffle 'em with bullshit.

And he's obviously an expert at shoveling.

Linux and drugs (5, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508006)

At last, a CEO not afraid to break the silence about Linux. I was a linux user, so I know the kinds of pressures that you succumb to. You wind up using crack to check the security of your system. And to detect intrusions, you snort.... It only gets worse from there. Listen to this man, before it's too late.

Re:Linux and drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508050)

and before you know it, your 'man finger'ing in your own /home.

new and improved SCO website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508128)

is here [d-rock.net] .

Re:new and improved SCO website - even better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508166)

Darl [d-rock.net] and friends [d-rock.net]

I am sick of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508028)

I hope I am not alone on this, but I am so god damned sick of Darl, SCO and this bullshit that he calls legitimate claims to Linux. I am also sick of the unending rants that Darl (hereafter referred to as "the devil") makes against open source, the free software model and everything that Linux and many of it's users stand for in general. If I could add the Devil to my lists of Anti-Christs, he would be at the top, followed maybe by the RIAA. The audacity of the devil and his company is astounding. His ability to file unfounded lawsuits to save his diminishing markets is also astounding. The so-called fair licensing that they have for Linux is absurd. This whole thing is absurd, and I for one am sick of Darl, SCO and their shit.

McBride's Funniest Quips! (2)

sithkhan (536425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508033)

Welcome back to FUD's premiere of "Dunderhead Asshats". In this segment, we have fresh from the CDXPO, assuring the press after his keynote speech.
What percentage of Linux is infringing? Roughly one million lines of code. 20% of the Linux kernel. BSD is in a clear legal environment. There are dozens of protected BSD files that have made there way into Linux.

Have you forgotten the Bill Gates' quote of 640 kB being more than enough memory for PC user? Well, dump that old chestnut, and try this one on for size:
20% of the Linux kernel. I have wet myself. America, we have a new "Dunderhead Asshat"! Welcome your new overlords, and don't forget the compulsory $699 'tithe'. The more Darl opens his mouth, the more I'd like to shut it for him ...
Is this Moore's Law for FUD? IIRC, there were 80 lines of code infringing at the beginning of this ordeal; now, it's up to Roughly one million lines of code? Please, someone crush this $#!+ soon ...

I used to work for SCO, in a past life (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508047)

I'm posting anonymously from a coffee shop so I don't end up getting a subpoena. A looong time ago, I used to work for SCO. When I started, I didn't think it was a bad company, but my opinion changed gradually. It's hard to put my finger on any one thing, but it seemed like the corporate culture was a little...strange. I had never worked at a tech company before, but I found it odd that upper management would get defensive when they read a bad review on SCO Unix. It seemed to me that they should have been taking the criticism to be constructive, so they could improve their product. But they took a "we know what's best for you, because we're smarter than you" kind of attitude. Not everyone agreed with them, as I found out at many an exit interview. It makes me wonder if this attitude blossomed and overtook the company.

Where the hell do those numbers come from? (1)

3Suns (250606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508054)

First Darl says:
We have over two million servers actively running today. Customers continue to come to us.

And then he says:
The second dial is the 2.5 million Linux servers out there today that are paired with our intellectual property in them.

Where the hell does Herr McBride get these numbers? Does he really think people will swallow that? 2.5M linux servers, and 2.0M+ OpenServer servers? Get real! (wait, never mind... forgot who I was talking to)

drug users? (0)

jason777 (557591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508055)

McBride comes one whisker from likening Linux users to drug users

Ah, I think he's the one smokin somethin.

all the big guys... (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508064)

The issue is not so much that all the big guys are out to get you. For instance, all the big guys are out to get North Korea, but creative management and secrecy has kept it relatively safe. For instance, we are pretty sure that N Korea is ruled by as much of a maniac as Iraq, and we have been more sure about Koreas nuclear capability for many years, but there N Korea sits, not invaded.

So, it is not important that all the big guys are out to get SCO. In any business sector all the big guys are always out to get all the other competitors. The problem is that SCO has said that there can be only one *nix distributor, and the authority of all other *nixes must come from it. While this benefits certain firms, and those firms have provided as much help as they can, it does not benefit most of the sector, and actually threatens their survival. Which is just common sense. It is one thing to compete against the big guys. It is another thing to publicly call for their death. Such a thing tends to turn the fight into a death match. And no one feels sorry for the guy who starts it.

Pump and Dump (1)

subk (551165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508067)

David comes on, he's now a shareholder, he's rowing with us, and let's face it, he's added significant value to our company since February. Our stock was around a buck, now it's $14. That's some of the best money we've spent, not even money, some of the best stock we've issued. Pump-and-fucking-dump. There you have it, folks. I can just see Darl slumped back in a easy chair sipping a T&T while saying this..

Faaaaark (4, Funny)

trouser (149900) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508068)

Our belief is that SCO has great opportunity in the future to let Linux keep going, not to put it on its back but for us to get a transaction fee every time it's sold. That's really our goal.

I can see that happening in a hurry. Hell I bet nobody would be interested in reverting to an older kernel and then working back to where we are today with new source. And nobody would look at alternative kernels (eg. the BSDs). And nobody would just throw in the towel and run Windows. No way, we'll just pony up a butt load of money to McBride and Co. to use the kernel they're trying to steal from us. Cock smoking bitches.

My impressions (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508069)

Well, first off, Darl McBride shows that he *completely* misses the distinction of free-as-in-speech Free Software and reduces the GPL to Free Beer. Sad. Granted, it is kinda hard to sell GPL software, but he doesn't seem to understand that a lot of what people love about Linux has less to do with price and more to do with freedom. The ability to get access to the source code at no additional charge. The ability to create 'derivative works' from GPL software as you please (well except that it too has to be GPL'ed of course), and the ability to distribute those changes. To fork projects when necessary.

And, most importantly, not having one central company or organization claiming total control over the OS. One of the things I love about Free Software, especially for the Operating System is that I think it is *crucial* for there to be a viable, widely used Free-as-in-speech OS Platform for everyone in the world to be able to use without it being leveraged to one company's or government's or whatever advantage. A true 'level playing field.'

So, SCO doesn't get it. Darl wants everyone to stop 'crucifying' him and SCO for doing what they "have to" in order to survive and leverage the investment they made in Unix. Everyone is picking on him, especially IBM who are big bullies (note this isn't my opinion - I'm just summarizing McBride). Oh, also SCO likes Open Source and Linux - we aren't out to destroy Linux and Open Source - we just want $700 dollars for every CPU that runs Linux commercially. Don't hate us, we want to co-exist peacefully with Open Source.

Oh, and the best part - the GPL is dead - Open Source isn't dead, just the GPL because it isn't friendly enough to business according to Darl. And, Free (as in beer) linux is dead (nevermind Debian and other non-commercial distros).

Lastly, in the world of Darl McBride, the BSD's don't exist. He didn't mention them ONCE in the presentation. And there were a couple times (Unix History discussion, as well as a few other places) where it would have probably been quite appropriate to mention them. Along those lines, SCO == UNIX, and we own the copyright to ALL UNIX (again what about the BSD's?).

Oh he did clarify that AIX, HP/UX, et al are 'owned' by the respective companies, but that SCO 'controls' all of them as the root of the unix tree.

I dunno. I really at this point just wish SCO would put up or shut up. Show definitely that there is wide-spread infringement instead of just throwing out "We have STRONG IP claims" (Take our word for it). Basically, this issue needs to go to court and be resolved.

Speaking of which, here's the SCO lawsuit scheme: IBM is not a copyright infringment case - it's breach of contract. But if people who use Linux don't buy Unix Licenses, we will sue them for copyright infringement. (Which is basically what they've been saying all along - no surprise there).

So what I hear, when I hear McBride make that statement is IBM probably has the resources and expertise to discredit our copyright infringment claims - so we are going to go after small fish who (we hope) can't reasonably defend against the infringement claims, and gradually build precedent one case at a time and then go after the big companies when we have a few cases behind us that gave us favorable findings.

remember people: (4, Funny)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508071)

You are not paranoid if everybody REALLY is against you!

Re:remember people: (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508177)

well.. people are usually against you if you are aggressively against them.

so ergo, visa vi and other bullcrap-> everybody _is_ against sco, since sco itself is against everybody.

making frends is easy, but they sure know how to make enemies too.

McBride is a pussy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508076)

what FUD.

Darl, come out from behind your pussy lawyers so I can kick your pansy ass.

To Quote Sontag (4, Interesting)

TitaniumFox (467977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508078)

"...You don't have to be a programmer at all to see copying had occurred. It wasn't just ten lines of code, that example was over 80 to 100 lines of code. Later some of the Linux people said that code shouldn't have been there, Bruce Perens said it was development problem and 'we've taken it out.' My analogy is [that's] like a bank robber with posse in pursuit swinging back by the bank and throwing the money back in...

In that one example, copyrighted code had been misappropriated and there's substantial benefit out there that has still not been rectified. There are other literal copyright infringements that we have not publicly provided, we'll save those for court. "


Linus has always stated that we'll rip everything out if the code was shown. McBride has even mentioned that in interviews and said something like "Hey, that's great! We want that to happen, too."

Bank robbers? Substantial benefit? The truth is that they would rather keep the IP in there and keep the linux kernel, charging us for each CPU.

The only problem is this: What would keep anyone from forking the kernel at the point where all "infringing code" had been ripped out. Sure, the tree would be on fire, but I doubt it would take TOO long for some seriously pissed off coders to re-write the missing items.

I can't wait to watch the flamage in court.

You're forgetting something.... (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508139)

You're forgetting that gay people tend to be very much into drugs and that all Linux users are gay. You do the math.

P.S. I hate you.

The mind of a drug adict. (0)

twitter (104583) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508082)

When drugs are on your mind, you talk about them.

When you've pissed off all your friends, spent all your money and still can't get enough of your drug, "everyone is out to get you."

It's true Daryl, EVERYONE'S OUT TO GET YOU MOTHER FUCKER!

Darl's translation (5, Funny)

mabu (178417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508084)

His constituents are his shareholders and customers.

Which at this point probably resolves down to his own company, their satellites and the law firm they've retained to fight their last ditch effort.

SCO does not want to destroy open source or Linux. With the appropriate checks and balances, open source has merit.

I think he means, if people pay with the appropriate checks, he'll consider the effort worthy of merit.

End users are not safe in taking a wait and see position. SCO is contacting customers and asking them to take a license of litigate position.

IOW, please pay us now so we can show some revenue long enough for the remaining shareholders to cash out before this whole thing implodes. Otherwise, the FBI will bust in your door and cart you off to Guantanamo.

There's no free lunch or free Linux. The value proposition of Linux is UNIX for free. Free models such as free music, free Internet, free bandwidth, and free love haven't worked.

On the other hand, the free mushrooms the guys in the legal department put in my tea this morning do seem to be working.

This country was built on the notion of property ownership and being about to protect one's property. What's left in this company are concepts and ideas. If you take away the ability to protect that, we're reduced our ability to compete as a country

If you don't support our desire to scare the crap out of the public in order to extort money for intellectual property my company had absolutely no hand in creating, then you're some sort of unpatriotic, filthy commie scum.

By the way there is no truth to the rumors that I am violating any patents previously held by the Rumsfeld-Cheney group. I am operating with a legitimate license from the holder of the scare-the-crap-out-of-america patent.

GPL will not survive. Open source will survive, but the GPL will have to be reworked in a way that is more pro-business.

By pro business I mean pro-big-mega-corporations that deserve to profit from the innovation of others who have the audacity to claim such work that we can exploit be donated to the public domain.

SCO will prevail in its legal battle. SCO is now worth $200 million and has $60 million in the bank. SCO is committed to seeing this through.

Bill's check cleared! Bill's check cleared!

We are also introducing an exciting new product in cooperation with Kool-Aid and the government of Columbia. Look for it soon.

Linux will not be free.

But a woman who is willing to trade "love" may be able to get a discount on the enterprise edition. I.M. my AOL handle, "sexy14yoGRRL" for more details.

All the big guys? (1)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508086)

All the "big guys" are out to get SCO? What a shame!

Or could it be that "all the big guys" understand that pissing people off is a bad business model and would prefer to defend them and gain their good will?

God, I am tired of these whackjobs at SCO spouting off.

write to the attorney general or DA or whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508096)

This is retarded somebody needs to investigate SCO and this shit.

How can they get away with flinging all this false accusations .. KNOWINGLY. .. everybody knows this is a big fat pump & dump scheme. Also, they are hoping they'd get lucky. Whatever the outcome (SCO lose or win), the SCO execs are going to get away clean. We won't even get an apology!!

This stuff is easily a crime. Why havent any DA's or the FBI taken a look at this stuff??

Re:write to the attorney general or DA or whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508150)

Right. Explain to me what laws are being broken. I may not like it, but this is how the game is played. Read the IBM contracts, let me know the details of exactly how SCO is acting illegally. You haven't read the contracts? Gee, neither have the rest of us. How surprising.

Laws requiring employee performance. (1)

zealotasd (700001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508111)

As DARL MCBRIDE being an employee of SCO, would we come to know that someone in their corporate capacity at SCO would need to Act as an employee of SCO?

I think yes. If I was employed by Jesus Christ, and not that God believes in creations of man (idols) known as corporations, anyways wouldn't a follower of Jesus Christ be known by their actions if not by their banner?

If DARL MCBRIDE, a Personage created by SCO, was to act without the Darl Mcbride we know eats hotdogs and watches television and does all the things we do on our days off... Would People hate someone for being employed to act in capacity of their employer, including sending letters of C&D and Patent violation, to people who are intended to enjoy the fruits of a labor (OpenUnix).

What if DARL MCBRIDE is demanded performance by one SCO, or risks lawsuits from shareholders for non-performance?

These questions have obvious answers: one reason to not Go Public and as a Corporation.

Just remember folkes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508114)

That the company that is now SCO used to be a 'valued' part of the "Linux community".

What a wonderful "Community"...lawsuits of other "community" members - even a suit of a primary author - Linus T.

Wonder why the Microsoft hype machine hasn't made more of the SCO past?

Wow he really is delusional (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508116)

"IBM is the master of creating an illusion that they're being attacked by this big brutal bully SCO when they're the ones attacking us. They're the ones doing all the behind-the-scenes work."

Yea. That's it. SCO isn't the one suing everyone causing problems and making shit up. It's IBM. Yea, That's the ticket!

I GOT A JOB!!! (0, Offtopic)

Trolling 4 dollas (723481) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508126)

From SCO. I start next week guys. Wish me luck they said it was going to be lots of open source development and the like so we'll see.

Why doesn't anyone ask the unanswerable question? (5, Interesting)

CoughDropAddict (40792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508138)

"Samba isn't your IP. What gives you the right to sell the copyrighted work of others?"

What can SCO possibly answer, while maintaining that the GPL is illegitimate?

Same Symptoms, Same Disease (1)

DynaSoar (714234) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508141)

"I'll get you!" "Don't hate me."
Irrational expectations of others feelings regarding his behavior. Schizoid.

"The little guys are all out to get me." Paranoid.

Paranoid schizophrenia. I've said so before.

A corporation is a legal entity and should be held responsible for its actions to the same extent as persons. The more society is overrun with these virtual entities, the more important it becomes to mark their behavior acceptable or unacceptable to society. This is clinical sociology.

As for McBride's major part in things, there's nothing a little corrective phrenology wouldn't fix.

In the school yard... (1)

utlemming (654269) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508143)

the guy who starts the fight is the one that gets the biggest punishment. Did you ever hear of the guy that did not pick the fight getting expelled. Nope, just the guy that started it, no matter how right or wrong he was. So if SCO expects to go with out a blow, they need to look back at the years when the SCO execs were getting pounded in the school yard -- because it is goign to blow up again.

$699 extortion fee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508146)

So when SCO loses this case.. what happens to the $699 they unjustly claimed??

If I fork over $699 now, can I sue their pants off later once they lose??

When's SCO going to learn?!?! (1)

Qweezle (681365) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508155)

What SCO is essentially doing is filibustering of the business world--they are holding out on numerous lawsuits with many companies that they can't really win against, all for their own sick gain.

Darl McBride is ridiculous.

This is an old, but very good, article that helps point out SCO's stupidity very well. [vnunet.com]

SCO will just end up being another failed company.

GPL and DMCA (4, Insightful)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508158)

The GPL is in violent collision with the DMCA. That's why Linux guys are opposed to the DMCA. Something has got to give. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

I thought Darl was asinine before, but this is just ridiculous.

Linux people are not the only people against the DMCA Darl! The reason people oppose it is because it infringes upon our rights and every Tom-Dick-and Jackass Corporation in America is trying to invoke the DMCA for things that it shouldn't be invoked for. It's akin to people filing for patents on such things as "one click shopping", etc.

GPL...what? (1)

DaBjork (575727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7508162)

"If I'm Merrill Lynch and have a trading application proprietary to Merrill Lynch and deploy it across all my trading desks, if that deployment occurred where the Linux OS and app are distributed togetherm[sic] there are arguments that Merrill would have to provide their proprietary trading application in source form to everyone."

Can anyone tell me what part of the GPL this is from, or is Darl reading a different supersecret proprietary copy that he will licence to us for $1000 a peek?

flash crowds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7508173)

now the legal that the legal firm owns a descent amount of stock we as a large comunity should figure ways to influence the public stock owners of SCO to dump.
(think flash crowds in front of wall st.)
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