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SCO Hints at *BSD Lawsuits Next Year, And More

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the and-son-light-a-match dept.

Caldera 971

shystershep writes "Apparently attacking one Unix-like OS isn't enough. According to Darl McBride, SCO has plans to target BSD. "The more yarn you pull out the more you see," according to McBride. They're a little preoccupied with the IBM litigation right now, though, so "we probably won't file any suits against BSD until sometime in the first half of next year." Hmmm. I can't imagine why SCO executives feel that they need to hire bodyguards." How to get at the *BSDs? vireo writes "In this Newsforge story, we learn that Boies, Schiller & Flexner will directly attack the 1994 AT&T/BSD settlement." Read on below for another handful of updates on the giant SCO lawsuit frenzy.

osullish writes "The Financial Times reports that SCO is indicating it will sue an as-yet un-named Linux-using corporation within the next 90 days. Also mentioned in the article is possible action against Novell, which recently purchased Ximian and SUSE Linux."

Iaitos points to this rather stiffly-worded notice from Novell (on their site) regarding the non-compete agreement SCO claims would taint Novell's acquisition of SUSE:

PROVO, Utah Nov. 18, 2003: Novell has seen the November 18 InfoWorld article in which SCO CEO Darl McBride refers to a supposed non-compete agreement between Novell and SCO. Mr. McBride's characterization of the agreements between Novell and SCO is inaccurate. There is no non-compete provision in those contracts, and the pending acquisition of SUSE LINUX does not violate any agreement between Novell and SCO.

Novell has received no formal communication from SCO on this particular issue. Novell understands its rights under the contracts very well, and will respond in due course should SCO choose to formally pursue this issue."

slavitos points to a ZDNet article covering the same ground, writing: "A characteristic SCO twist in the story: "McBride added that lawsuits likely will be preceded and possibly prevented by communications offering businesses an opportunity to get right with SCO. "We'll be communicating with users what our expectations are," he said.". Oh, that's helpful, Darl - and no, we didn't really expect you to be any more specific."

If your lips aren't yet too tired, ansak writes "PJ has done it again -- okay, "co-ordinated it" would be the better phrase. The transcript of SCOG's conference call is now available (and in danger of being slashdotted without slashdot's help, even!).
#include <>"

Another legal theory being thrown about is that SCO's lawsuit (the one against IBM, that is) all leads back to Sequent. Petrol writes "The Inquirer has a story about SCO's action against IBM. 'Sources close to the action describe a trail of code that might well be the target of SCO's ire against IBM and the Linux community.'"

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I wonder what the airspeed velocity... (3, Funny)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512356)

...of an unladen SCO bodyguard is?

greased yoda doll shoved in my ass tsakon reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512418)

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion!

  1. Defecate. preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage and hot sauces.
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns.
  3. Prime anus with anal ease.
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of vaseline or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your yoda doll or yoda soap on a rope and liberally apply it.
  5. Pucker your ballon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in.
  6. Put a nigger do-rag on yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  7. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because that is built in.
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your yoda figurine.
  9. Gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Think about snoodling with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you dont check the (desired - speaks english) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black And Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE is better than SCSI because you cant afford SCSI. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate windows but use it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who arent fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a yoda voice and saying, feel the force, padawan, feeel the foooorce, hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach, a dick half as big you will not have.
All in a days work with a yoda figurine rammed up your ass.


y______________________________YODA_ANUS []

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.

Because of Yoda's attitude, I usually don't respond to his perversions, but this time I'll make an exception. For starters, the nicest thing that can be said about Yoda's lackeys is that they are goofy insurrectionists out to demonstrate an outright hostility to law enforcement. Already, some piteous Neanderthals have begun to fund a vast web of uncontrollable vagabonds, combative slackers, and naive malodorous-types, and with terrifying and tragic results. What tracts will follow from their camp is anyone's guess. Think about that for a moment. Simply put, every morning Yoda asks himself, "How can I fool the masses today?" The law is not just a moral stance. It is the consensus of society on our minimum standards of behavior.

It is grossly misleading merely to claim that Yoda simply regurgitates the empty arguments that have been fed to him over the years. Strange, isn't it, how disrespectful control freaks are always the first to trick academics into abandoning the principles of scientific inquiry? At least 80 percent of the people in this country recognize that he should be locked up. And if that seems like a modest claim, I disagree. It's the most radical claim of all.

Does Yoda have trouble living with himself, knowing that Yoda's wheelings and dealings disgust and infuriate me? In my effort to uncover his hidden prejudices, I will need to provide you with vital information which he has gone to great lengths to prevent you from discovering. I'm not going to say why; we all know the reason. Stingy feckless lowbrows can go right ahead and convict me for saying that I, for one, am morally and ethically opposed to his sentiments, but History, acting as the goddess of a higher truth and a higher justice, will one day smilingly tear up this verdict, acquitting me of all guilt and blame. His solutions are so narrow-minded that if allowed to go unanswered, their final cost would be incalculable. Why doesn't Yoda try doing something constructive for once in his life? Some people have compared impertinent hedonists to illiterate vile morons. I would like to take the comparison one step further. Let me close where I began: This is a frightening realization.

Re:greased yoda doll shoved in my ass tsakon repor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512461)

Dude, you're a fucking loser...

Re:greased yoda doll shoved in my ass tsakon repor (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512547)

dude, youre like totally. wow. i must have peed on your carpet and it like dude
brought the room together, dude.

dude: you're a fucking fat sexless greasy pig that clearly was offended because YOU masturbate
to anime.

your skull is a swampy bath of festering quagmiric feculent slime. :)

I don't know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512427)

Let's find out. []

Re:I wonder what the airspeed velocity... (1, Funny)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512463)

probably about 9.8m/s2

Re:I wonder what the airspeed velocity... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512544)

Does anyone remember that accountant that fell out of one of HP corporate jets a couple of years ago? Maybe we could talk HP into booking that plane for the SCOX executive staff.

BSD will beat SCO because we have... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512364)

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Re:BSD will beat SCO because we have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512378)

Sorta chubby. Plain, bordering on ugly. You need to get outside more and see what attractive women who wouldn't be caught dead at dork conventions look like.

Re:BSD will beat SCO because we have... (0)

spune (715782) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512390)

^_^ I believe there is more to as OS than it's mascot. Look how far Windows has gotten with nothing more than a couple colored squares.

Re:BSD will beat SCO because we have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512436)

I guess those girls need love too but it would take a lot of beer. An awful lot of beer. Better make that a bottle of tequila and some horse tranquilizers. On second thought, I'll just sleep with the penguin.

Let 'em waste their time. (-1, Troll)

sulli (195030) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512367)

*BSD is dying anyway.

Diagnosis (5, Funny)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512371)

"The more yarn you pull out the more you see," according to McBride.

Yup... Paranoia's like that.

Re:Diagnosis (5, Funny)

afidel (530433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512488)

I thought he was talking about the yarns he's been pulling out of his arse for months now =)

Note to mod's:
A yarn is a newengland colloquialism for a tall tale.

Re:Diagnosis (2, Funny)

Rimbo (139781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512500)

Eventually SCO will have no clothes left and die of exposure.

Re:Diagnosis (4, Funny)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512531)

Yup... Paranoia's like that.

And lest we forget, paranoia is a symptom of cocaine psychosis [] .

Put that pipe down now, Darl, before it's too late.

Re:Diagnosis (4, Funny)

thrillbert (146343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512541)

Actually, you might not be that far off. In many cases, a brain tumor can cause a distorted perception of the truth and/or paranoia. And given how Mr. McBride has acted these past few months, I would greatly encourage him to get a CT scan to ensure that he's not going to croak in the next few hours.

I know that it sounds a bit far fetched, but it might not be too far off the truth..

You will be surprised by a loud noise.

We get it already, SCO (4, Funny)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512372)

We *know* you want to show everybody how big a pain in the ass you are and that someone should just buy you out. It's just not going to happen.

I'm also starting to hope that Boies will share the cell...

Breaking News... (3, Funny)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512373)

Darl McBride now claims ownership of the new Finder in Panther, and Final Cut Pro.

Blind man with a bat (5, Funny)

ericspinder (146776) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512374)

Darl is like a blind man on the street, swinging a bat, hoping someone will pay him to stop. Hopefully, the cops will get him before he does any real damage.

Apple? (5, Interesting)

mgs1000 (583340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512377)

So does this include OS X? That should be an interesting fight.

Re:Apple? (1)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512413)

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet Apple has more lawyers than SCO has employees. There is no possible way Steve -- er, I mean, Apple -- will allow them to win their case.

Re:Apple? (1)

xMonkey (154829) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512429)

That is what I was just thinking.

I'm sure SCO will figure out someway to include APPLE. "Hell, why not!" I am sure is thier motto at this point.

Re:Apple? (5, Informative)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512524)

Possibly..possibly not..
OS X was based off NEXTSTEP, which was based on Mach, which was a completely new kernel, with BSD ported to it.

But compared to Linux, i'd say it's less of a stretch to say that OS X is UNIX than Linux.

I don't mind if they go after Apple.. just one more company joining in the fun of beating SCO up.

Re:Apple? (1)

gsdali (707124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512550)

Well Apple sells more BSD based systems than anyone else. Plus relations with Microsoft have been getting more frosty over the last while and M$ have been implicated in the SCO debacle.

Any chance of anyone getting one of these things up before a judge soon, so it can be thrown out.

Nice quotes (1, Funny)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512379)

"However, there are some elements who have an almost religious zealousness about Linux," he [Darl McBride] added. "In some ways, that can be scary for anyone opposing their positions."

As if SCO's position isn't religious zealotry to the max!

Then there's sanity on the other side:

"I just don't buy it," said Bruce Perens, a Berkeley, Calif.-based Linux developer and open source advocate. " This is just an effort to discredit the open-source community.
"If there were real threats, the police would be there instead of husky fellows with radio tubes in their heads," he said.

Re:Nice quotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512424)

"However, there are some elements who have an almost religious zealousness about Linux," he [Darl McBride] added.

While Darl is off his rocker, he's still quite correct there. A single reasonable response from Bruce Perens doesn't refute this.

Your ID# says you should know better.

Get real (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512453)

Linux users are about as fanatical as anyone I've ever met. They eclipse mac users, which is really scary by itself.

Who here really doubts that these guys are getting threats from someo members of the community? And just because you hired bodyguards doesn't mean that you didn't notify the police. The police will investigate, but not stand around and wait for someone to attack you.

Re:Nice quotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512473)

As if SCO's position isn't religious zealotry to the max!

Uh, no. It's a cynical exploitation of the legal system but I don't see where it's remotely "religious zealotry", to the max or otherwise.

Re:Nice quotes (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512493)

I guess it's time for RMS & Linus to get body guards as well..!

Time to create a pariah... (1)

freerangegeek (451133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512387)

Who's selling SCO computers? Who holds their repair contracts? Who is providing them their ISP? What company is selling them office space? Heck, who's selling them power? water? Let's put them out of business by cutting them off at the roots.

Re:Time to create a pariah... (4, Funny)

CatGrep (707480) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512472)

You're forgetting that they live in Utah. They've probably already got a years supply of computers, power and water stored up.

*Yawns* so (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512389)

When do SCOs actions, threats to sue linux customers, and harrassment of linux customers reach the point where they become some kind of illegal thing? I'm sure there's some kind of line between marketing to your competitors customers and harassing them.

If the harrassment/lawsuit threats are already covered under the lanham act suit redhat/ibm (?) is bringing, then what line does SCO have to cross before redhat/IBM can start asking for injunctions, as opposed to having to wait until their lawsuits start?

And doesn't the SCO case verbal arguments begin on december 6? Once that happens, how long will it take for SCO's ball of yarn to fall apart?

Re:*Yawns* so (0)

elrond2003 (675701) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512536)

Red hat has filed for a permanent injunction. Just as soon as they get onto the docket the jig is up. In the meantime, hang in there and enjoy the ride.

Just more crap to try to support their stock price (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512394)

I guess the litany about suing Linux isn't working for them anymore.

So now they're declaring that they're broadening the cases.

So far, they've only filed one lawsuit.

Until they file another, this is just PR crap.

Flamebait - I can't resist trolling here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512400)

That's what you get when everyone can see your source code - sued.

Closed source prevents people from knowing you stole the code.

Anyone care to bite?

Better be the first half of next year... (4, Funny)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512402)

...because no way does SCO still exist in the second half.

bodyguards (4, Funny)

Dreadlord (671979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512403)

Hmmm. I can't imagine why SCO executives feel that they need to hire bodyguards.

Isn't it clear why? Linux peguin looks quite friendly and isn't harmful at all, BSD daemon on the other hand...

Re:bodyguards (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512521)

Don't forget Tux's bite!

Re:bodyguards (0, Offtopic)

HalfStarted (639977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512561)

Totally off topic... but your sig... so... you are a pointer to a DreadLord object... does that something like a "yes man" or are you just an index finger?

Proof positive that ... (0)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512404)

Darl McBride is going for broke. The man is fucking insane and I feel for all the stockholders that are gonna lose big when this falls apart.

Mod me down but I gotta burn some karma sometime.

Re:Proof positive that ... (1)

realdpk (116490) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512462)

His shareholders are already winning, though - big time. The short-timers, he doesn't care about. It's those that had stock when it was in the low-dollars range that told him he should go ahead and do this.

Make no mistake, everyone who pushed for this to happen (internally within the shareholders) has already won.

Re:Proof positive that ... (1)

littlerubberfeet (453565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512508)

Well, you are sort of insightful, Darl IS going for broke. I feel for those stock holders, but do any of the large brokerages have SCOX shares that I can short against?

HAIL the day that SCOX becomes SCOX.OB

Finally an Answer!! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512407)

An answer to "What is up Darl McBride's ass?"
The more yarn you pull out the more you see
Turns out it's an entire ball of yarn!

Dumb! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512409)

Just when you think this whole thing can't get any more assinine, Darl smokes another crack pipe.

Wait -- I'm confused (1, Funny)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512414)

I thought BSD was dying. I could swear I read that somewhere...


Re:Wait -- I'm confused (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512460)

After SCO successfully sues Theo for the $1758.29 in his checking account, *BSD will truly be dead.

This must be the new SCO business model (3, Insightful)

dhomoney (725171) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512416)

SCO hasn't put out a viable product in years, and frankly neither had Caldera. To me this just seems like SCO is using the legal system as it's new business model. Can't make a profit the ol' fashioned way? Now you can sue yourself to a profit. What a bunch of ass clowns.

It may be a good thing (2, Interesting)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512419)

This could be a fairly good thing. Now, there is enough outrage from the BSD camp too, and ofcourse Apple will also jump into the fray soon.

Kinda like the ents in the lord of the rings against Saruman.


Watch out! (3, Funny)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512420)

I hear that SCO has found gratuitous use of the letters S, C, and O in BSD source code! Obviously there must be payment rendered!

Pertinent Simpsons Reference: (-1, Troll)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512421)

Scene: Home at home after becoming union president

(Knock at the door)
Homer: Hello? Who is it?
Outside the door: Hired Goons.
Homer: Goons?
Outside: Hired Goons.
Homer: Well, ok.... (opens door, pulled outside and to Mr. Burns mansion.

Burns: Welcome Homer.
Homer: You could have just called me and I would have come.
Burns: Yes, but I prefer the hands-on approach of hired goons.

Fuck you SCO (0, Troll)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512422)

Stop being bitches.

Re:Fuck you SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512555)

wow, how insightful, now I know the guys at SCO are bitches, thanks for the extremely useful info :)

someone make a list of SCO threats (2, Interesting)

gearheadsmp (569823) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512431)

SCO just doesn't know when to stop. To show how ludicrous they are, make a timeline in your head of all the SCO threats. Also, a list of every company/non-profit organization SCO has threatened would be an added bonus. To get started, do a query [] . Hell, a compilation of all SCO threats made this year would be even better.

They will lose. (1)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512432)

AT&T tried. They lost their case: it turned out that AT&T had copied a lot of BSD code.

Oh, and just one more thing: AT&T had way more money than SCO ever had. They still lost.

Good Luck SCO, and may God be on your side... Because none of us ever will.

End of Life for *BSD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512440)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.


I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?


To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.


I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike


To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

The Real Bruce Perens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512442)

"I just don't buy it," said Bruce Perens, a Berkeley, Calif.-based Linux developer and open source advocate. "This is just an effort to discredit the open-source community. If there were real threats, the police would be there instead of husky fellows with radio tubes in their heads," he said.

He's right, of course, but it's not as if he was shy about screaming that Eric Raymond was threatening _his_ life...

ut oh... (1)

FuBaR Technician (84829) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512443)

Oddly enough I'm downloading the ISO's to install on our new server _right_now_ and I see this. Should I be concerned and put on SuSe or something?


BSD network code (4, Interesting)

kmahan (80459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512444)

So does this mean that they intend to sue microsoft too?

Thought microsoft's TCP stack had a little of the *bsd stuff in it.

Ya ya... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512447)

Oh I hope they STOp soon.. or next thing you know..
"Mom... what did u make for supper.."
mom:"Oh i can't really say i Made supper.. SCO claims they made it First.. "

An abomination (1)

Cenuij (526885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512450)

Yeah I think eventually even the markets are realising SCO are on a one way trip to no-where SCO share value [] I'm beginning to think with all this paranoia that McBride must the the bastard love child of John Ashcroft, now there's a real scary thought?

Free Linux? (1)

Empiric (675968) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512452)

At any rate, McBride has no plans to compromise SCO's claims. The title of his address Tuesday night to the Computer Digital Expo at Mandalay Bay was: "There's No Free Lunch -- or Free Linux."

But isn't this exactly what SCO wants, in terms of their product development costs?


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512454)

BSD Is dying... SCO confirms it

interesting tactic (4, Insightful)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512457)

Going after the BSD settlement, they hope to reverse it. If they can do that, then some of the laughable examples of infringing code may suddenly become legally enforcable. What it tells the rest of the world is that they are running out of claims, and need to work on finding something to back themselves up. I think it means they've realised that the racketeering isn't working. Noboby is going to buy them, marque coporations aren't going to buy their licenses. So they need to either implode or find a new angle.

To all BSD users, (3, Funny)

Idou (572394) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512458)

Welcome to the club. Glad to have you aboard.

Where shall we meet to plan the complete and utter extermination of SCO?


Re:To all BSD users, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512563)

Let's put it this way, *BSD is dying.


Important rule of litigation: (5, Insightful)

sl3xd (111641) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512459)

One thing that SCO is obviously ignoring is one rather simple fact: You have to be absolutely, completely, utterly INSANE to sue a university; for any reason. I have yet to see anyone do it successfully. AT&T couldn't do it 9 years ago, so what makes SCO think they can do it now? AT&T had a MUCH better table to stand on.

There are plenty of examples of stupidity in suing a university.

How 'bout the 'copy-protection' that could be foiled by holding down the 'shift' key? (Sued a student of Princeton University; charges dropped after the University stepped in on the student's behalf)

There are THOUSANDS of cases a year where people sue medical students; just about every one ends up in the student's favor, because the university steps in. You can't get new doctors if you can't train new students; and part of the learning process is making mistakes.

And BSD is still techinically property of the Regents of the University of California.

Go ahead; sue them. Nobody looks kindly on a mad Chihuahua biting everyone that won't give it the world. Espescially when it starts nipping at schools. SCO has once again proven that they have nothing.

Seriously . . . (1)

aynrandfan (687181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512464)

No on at SCO believes they are important enough to need bodyguards. This is just anouther public relations ploy.

SCO Has No Strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512465)

Darl: "Bwahahahaha. Mom, mom, it isn't fair! That big bully, GPL is cheating. SCO is just upset because the average Linux user gets laid more than them. Soon, we're going to send in the diaper wearing users who accidentatly bought lindows computers from walmart.

This Comment was generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories. []

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512467)

You don't keed to be Kreskin [] to look into FreeBSD's future. Even a child knows that FreeBSD is dying. All major marketing surveys show that FreeBSD has steadily declined in market share. FreeBSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: FreeBSD is dying.

Reward For Microsoft Money Behind SCO (1)

DoctorMabuse (456736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512470)

Someone should start a reward fund that goes to anyone who can prove there is Microsoft money funding SCO's attacks on open source. I'm normally not a conspiracy theorist, but it is difficult to see why SCO is engaging in such bizarre (and expensive) behavior that really benefits no one except SCO executives and Microsoft's crummy server software.

Perhaps a little money might entice someone to expose the link. Or, I could just be paranoid! :)

Re:Reward For Microsoft Money Behind SCO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512513)

The Microsoft SCO Xenix connection. They are in bed together making love to each other.

Lawsuit crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512475)

If I change my name to James P. Unix, will I be sued next?

Attack a settlement? How's that again? (4, Insightful)

pknoll (215959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512477)

we learn that Boies, Schiller & Flexner will directly attack the 1994 AT&T/BSD settlement

How do you attack a settlement, exactly? Get one of the parties to the agreement to reneg?

A settlement isn't something that can be appealed, as far as I know; and even if it could be, I'd bet certainly not by an uninvolved party.

Next suit. (1)

JRSiebz (691639) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512478)

To also be announced in the first quarter next year is yet another wave of lawsuits by SCO, this time they are suing all persons named Scott, for unauthorized use of their trademark everytime they use their name... SCOtt.

Its over the dinosaur is dead (5, Interesting)

Crashmarik (635988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512485)

Its just going to take alittle while for the peabrain (Mcbride, boies et al) to get the message.

SCO's stock has gone from a high of 21 to 14 today, its no longer reacting to the press releases. Even Forbes is now referring to the canopy group as shakedown artists. McBride and company are increasingly running out of people who will buy their story or invest in their stock.

The last time sco had a teleconference they managed a 50 percent bump in share price. This time they got a 1.5 percent bump. This is despite the fact that they have now widened their suit to include contractual control over Novell and BSD.

The big worry will be what happens when sco does give up the ghost. Theres alot of people that depend on the software to run their businesses. They had nothing to do with the lawsuit and will be hurt when the message does at last get to the brain of the beast.

This makes the IBM-Novell-SuSE deal make sense... (2, Interesting)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512487)

Assuming that the Inq is correct and some code violations came from the Sequent side of things this makes sense of the $50 million investment. Novell then is a distributer of the kernel, Novell has rights to the suspect code, therefor via the GPL (if I'm thinking correctly) since they're distributing everyone else gets those rights too.

Investment Advice (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512489)

I need to post this as an AC because I work for a very prestigious Chicago Investing firm and would most certainly be fired for revealuing such confidential market research information. Studies of the distribution of Linux installations, coupled with detailed surveys of frequent users of Linux (ie; people who identify Linux as their primary non-game computing choice), have shown some very interesting and by now well understood demographics. At least they are certainly well known in market research circles.

When viewing the economic structure of proto-regions (ie, regions defined by geo-economic clustering rather than political boundries), high densities of Linux installations occur only in areas that are well below the global per-capita poverty line. Proto-regions with little industrialization and a strong agrarian base are most inclined to have a large investment in Linux. These types of economies show particularily robust Linux penetration in the areas of government, education, and retail business.

Significantly, Linux is most established in areas at Level II in the Agrarian/Industry/Service matrix. These are societies that rely on low soil fertility crops and animal husbandry such as tomato, potato and goat herding. However, as we move up through the levels of the AIS Matrix, the fall off of Linux penetration occurs in a most dramatic non-linear manner. In fact, When we reach Level VII (quasi-indusrial development coupled with massive urban influxation such as the central Mexico or West Virginia proto-regions) the line is nearly level, with further economic gains yielding little growth in the actual penetration of Linux installations.

Further study of the demographics of Linux users in the developed Level VII and above societies reveals other telling details. The majority of Linux users are between the ages of 14-26. Looking only at those ages 18+ in this cluster, very few of them own their own house. Indeed, very few of them are even able to afford to rent an apartment. The vast majority continue to live with one or both of their parental units. The majority of this group are either students or chronically under and/or under employed. If they have a job it is likey in the fast food industry, delivering pizza, or as a clerk at the local Radio Shack. 96.7% are virgins in the hetrosexual sense of the word, although 99.99999999% report engaging in one or more homo-erotic acts in the past week.

In conclusion, Linux is largely restricted to smelly third world countries or to smelly first world teenagers. I advise my investors to avoid any stocks from companies tainted by Linux use.

missed one (2, Funny)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512499)

I found this [] about 20 minutes ago on My favorite Darl quote: "First it's not our customers. I would say we're suing end users. There are only two industries who use the term 'users,' computers and drugs. Not sure if there's a connection there". So now we're all communist junkies.

Notable quotables (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512503)

FreeBSD? In the immortal words of DeForest Kelley:
"It's dead, Jim."

Re:Notable quotables (1)

gamlidek (459505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512559)

Alas, poor SCO. I knew it well... ... too well. In fact, I should sue for my 400 hours of free time wasted reading about this shite.


Worst job in the world (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512506)

The poor judge who is going to have to figure this one out.

At least I hope this kinda of case does not go before a jury. Can you imagine the average smuck not smart enough to escape jury duty trying to make sense of all this? Worse trying to make sense of it while getting the info from two different camps?

If it is trial by jury we better hope for a really smart and level headed judge who can properly instruct the jury.

Can this even all go before a single court? If they are really going to sue IBM + Novell + Linux customer + BSD + Little fluffy kittens, we might end up with a dozen trials. That is not counting the appeals.

Oh well at least now with BSD in the firing line as well we will see an end to the posts claiming BSD is safe because of some previous case. When a mad man is loose with a gun, noone is safe.

SCO shouldn't hire Programmers (1)

utmslave (179598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512509)

Since SCO's business model is now strictly litigation, shouldn't Darl and Co. just hire lawyers and fire all technically proficient people that still attempt to work for this bloodsucking cesspool of increativity. That would cut down on the legal costs and make for a more efficient business. That might help them when Apple throws in its resources against a *BSD suit.

I no longer care (1)

sydres (656690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512512)

thats right until SCO truly proves that they own all of linux (which won't happen till the gpl is struck down) I will still be booting my GNU/Linux boxen and I am quite certain that unless they write some obligatory patch that allows them to shutdown any "unlicenced" box. as will most of /.ers'. but I do have to say this is the most entertainment I have had since I read the hitchhiker trilogy. maybe in ten years they (being second rate film studios)will make a great made for tv movie on the sco vs IBM/linux debacle; something on the order of that apple flick a few years back. sweet! they could make it an action film like the song said "lawyers, guns, and money" woot

So... (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512514)

...what he's saying with this implication of chasing down BSD next is that there can be no free alternatives to Unix? Why? Are they going to claim that they own the *concepts* behind Unix as well? Why don't they just go after claiming that they own all key concepts to computing? Or... is his problem the fact that he doesn't like things NOT making money for his company? I'm sorry, but profit is highly overrated. Technical excellence and the pursuit of intellectual enrichment are far more lasting and valuable.

Look at it this way... Eminem (insert any large software company here) is making tons of money right now. Beethoven (GNU/Open Source) is barely selling. But, in twenty years time, ask young people who Eminem is and they will likely look funny at you and say, "who?". If the educational system doesn't get dismatled by greedy administrations like the current one, you will hopefully ask the same kid who Beethoven is and they will say, "some old classical music guy".

Think about it...

Final nail (-1)

cerskine (202611) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512515)

This could be the final nail in *BSD's coffin.

For the love of Pete! (1)

gamlidek (459505) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512517)

Somebody's gonna burn SCO to the ground one of these days at the rate they're pissin' folks off left and right. At least, one could hope... I've probably wasted more time reading about these completely baseless lawsuits from SCO than I have dealing with SPAM!

fsckin' SCO...


Oh wow. (2, Interesting)

Maudib (223520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512518)

SCO going after BSD

Anybody else here think that Apple might find this to be an interesting "thought".

Its really amazing. Before this is done every technology company in the world will be drawn into this.

This war will make corpses of us all

SCO= Reign of terror (0)

sh2kwave (310977) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512522)

The more and more articles i read about sco the more they seem to have filled themselves with the belief that they have so much power and are just moveing further and further into the hole while filling there heads with there own image of how sucessful they are and aren't. Honestly its like france and the reign of terror except its surprisingly smaller. Its also much less successful.

Proably would be best called the reign of unsucessful FUD.

yarn huh? (2, Funny)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512523)

more like drugs.

whats a good CEO/addict reference without a penny arcade [] link? it looks like daryl and mark are on the same batch of smack too.

what are they afraid of? (2, Funny)

Flunitrazepam (664690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512525)

Bodyguards... please.

Anyone who would get mad enough to threaten them probably barely has the strength to lift a pie to heft at them.

Bill Gates is still alive, after all.

What planet are they on? (3, Funny)

caferace (442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512529)

SCO, McBride and their lawyers are like Tribbles, only not cute and fuzzy.

They keep on multiplying, getting in the way and serving no apparent purpose.

New SCO Representation? (0)

Wun Hung Lo (702718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512534)

"McBride added that lawsuits likely will be preceded and possibly prevented by communications offering businesses an opportunity to get right with SCO." I guess that they've retained Tony Soprano to do the negotiations. IANAL, but if this isn't extortion, I don't know what is...

Did they already take care of BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7512535)

I thought AT&T already settled the whole BSD despute. I guess SCO is just out to sue anything that even remotely functions like Unix. I really hope McBride gets shot down by the courts, and I wouldn't shed any tears if the SEC decided to investigate SCO.

Great.. (3, Funny)

deego (587575) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512539)

now SCO is targetting DEAD OSes! ;-)

SCO is in a race against time (4, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512551)

The company was headed down the tubes, so in order to pump up the stock price enough to allow for some breathing room. The problem for McBride is that SCO still hasn't found a way to make money the old-fashioned way. So what was initially a tactic to hold their ground has morphed into their strategy for long-term survival.

But they've overreached. In fact, they've managed to do what even Microsoft has been unable to do so far; they are directly threatening almost everyone in the *NIX world, which will only bring the disparate camps together. There's big money behind Linux, and there are a lot of companies interested in keeping BSD alive as well.

The mouse that roared is going to get stepped on eventually. Whether they can make enough money in the mean time in order to carry on after their legal shenanegans are put to a stop is the real question. If they can't, I expect SCO to die quite rapidly as soon as they lose in court.

Popularity poll (1)

anachattak (650234) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512553)

I see Darl McBride is doing his best to quickly rising up the unpopularity ranks. Right now he's somewhere between Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Satan.

In other news, it's sad how the open-source community has gone from being open-minded, creative, progressive innovators to drug-peddling terrorists since SCO decided to assert their intellectual property rights. Poor does he sleep at night, knowing all those open-sourcers are out there, thirsting for his blood? (of course, maybe all the morphine and anti-psychotic drugs help)

I think.... (1)

DraKKon (7117) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512554)

... I'm going to mail Duh-ryl a box on my own fecies.. shyte on me, I shyte on you.

It is the sign of a person losing a dispute... (2, Interesting)

mark-t (151149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512556)

... when they keep changing their focus every time their last statements get countered.

SCO will be history by this time next year.

will they claim ownership of Mach and sue CMU? (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 10 years ago | (#7512558)

And is there a law school at CMU?
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