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MP3.com's Content to Be Destroyed

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the bit-bucket-in-the-sky dept.

Music 354

WCityMike writes "Vivendi Universal recently sold the MP3.com domain to CNet. However, they're not selling the approximately one million songs on the archive. (recorded by over 250,000 artists) Instead, they're simply destroying it as of December 3. MP3.com's founder and former CEO, Michael Robertson, is pleading with Vivendi to allow the Internet Archive to preserve the songs."

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First MSI Post (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536063)

I'm selling Mindless Self Indulgence tickets for a show at Irving plaza, NYC in December. Reply to this for info!

Re:First MSI Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536075)

Sorry but MSI = Microsoft Install System.

TAA (Try another acronym)

Sounds Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536067)

Go ahead and destroy them.

250,000 songs - and not a single one was worth listening to.

Waste of drive space, I say.

hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536069)

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their property, their decision (4, Insightful)

SuperMario666 (588666) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536070)

It's not like the songs are being permanently eradicated anyway.

Re:their property, their decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536100)

They would get automaticly mirrored if they would just put up ftp server with all high quality mp3s.

I'm not so sure... (2, Insightful)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536130)

mp3.com introduced me to the Industrial genre, and I can't seem to find any of my favorite groups elsewhere.

Like Enrapture.

Re:their property, their decision (3, Interesting)

pegr (46683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536164)

Everybody say it with me...

"antitrust"

While it's true, they should be able to do whatever they want to do with their property, this would make an excellent anti-trust suit. Not sure if the EFF would be the appropriate "David" to their "Goliath", tho. Any ideas?

Library of Alexandria, meet mp3.com (5, Funny)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536175)

We heard this kind of story before, and it wasn't fun the first time.

Re:Library of Alexandria, meet mp3.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536189)

You're comparing a website full of crap music by 16 year olds who formed a band and put some junk up on the web to the greatest repository of knowledge at that point in history?

Good God, man, get a fucking grip.

Re:Library of Alexandria, meet mp3.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536296)

1 *million* original songs is not to be sniffed at.

Bed with Music (3, Funny)

LordoftheFrings (570171) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536072)

From Article
On Friday morning CNET woke up to find it was sharing a bed with MP3.com
I thought I was weird for sleeping with music, but it seems others do too...

It all started with CNet's iPod plugging into... (1)

ErnstKompressor (193799) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536245)

MP3.com's iPod...

I guess it was a bad case of 'peer-to-peer goggles'...

delete! (4, Funny)

RobertTaylor (444958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536073)

"Instead, they're simply destroying it as of December 3."

rm -rf
*chug*

Re:delete! MOD PARENT UP FUNNY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536185)

It would chug n all to rm several terabytes of music!

Re:delete! (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536260)

use fdisk *ching!*

eh? (-1, Offtopic)

cft (715198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536074)

This is Privoxy 3.0.2 on localhost (127.0.0.1), port 8118, enabled
No such domain

Your request for http://p2pnet.net/ez/index.php/news/content/view/f ull/155/?eZSESSIDnews=66abd82c3bd5cfb215e483f00f37 0eac could not be fulfilled, because the domain name p2pnet.net could not be resolved.

This is often a temporary failure, so you might just try again.

That's ok (-1, Flamebait)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536077)

Well, it's all pirate stuff anyway.

It's not like any small, unrecognized bands use(d) Mp3.com for a distribution center.

I could see why people would need something like it if the music industry were governed by greed and corporate interests, but the way it is, Sony et cetera are just a bunch of starving artists struggling to make an honest dollar and things like mp3.com just get in the way of that.

Right?

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536085)

Was that supposed to be "funny", "insightful" or what?

Because it was actually just fucking stupid. (And obvious.)

Please go back to your regularly scheduled D&D game and stop bothering us.

Hope this helps.

Re:That's ok (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536097)

How in the hell is this Insightful? Is there some rule that say that at least 25% of the moderators must be nuts?

The parent post is wrong. THE TRUTH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE, YOU MORONS.

Re:That's ok (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536120)

He was trying to be sarcastic. I think the best thing to say is...

HE FAILED IT!

(Shout out to GNAA and my brothers in Jihad!.)

Re:That's ok (1)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536124)

Irony bell.

"Plain talk" is not sufficient to express my hatred and bile for the music racket. I've seen good bands get driven out by tripe for longer than I care to remember, and it keeps happening.

I forget that irony is oftentimes lost on technical types; my bad. Write for the audience and all that.

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536155)

I did understand the irony, but I think the moderator was someone who doesn't know one thing about mp3.com...

Re:That's ok (0)

NiteTrip (694597) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536241)

Its SARCASM, not irony!

Re:That's ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536184)

Please note that when reading the parent comment, I detected absolutely no use of irony or sarcasm at all. None. Not even a little bit. There is absolutely no irony or sarcasm present in the parent post because Mp3.com was all pirated stuff (as everyone knows) and the companies comprising the music industry really are a bunch of philanthropists.

All the replies to the parent post (including this one) were well thought out, insightful rebuttals that were obviously written by people familiar with the common literary devices of sarcasm and irony.

Remember... Not sarcastic.

File sharing networks (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536081)

The authors of these songs should just put their works on file sharing networks.

Re:File sharing networks (2, Insightful)

cft (715198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536112)

http is universal, while p2p protocols require special applications which might be a pain to run/weren't ported to your OS.

Re:File sharing networks (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536145)

Whatever those people do, putting it on http, p2p, or even (somehow) selling is going to require them to do something that probably involves the web again. They chose the web/internet for a reason in the first place. If they don't have the resources to put it online themselves, then someone should step up and support them. They might even be able to put it on MP3.com again - though I probably would have a harder time trusting them.

Re:File sharing networks (2, Insightful)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536181)

That and they don't expose shit besides a file name. Unless somebody is looking for you exact song, they aren't going to know you exist.

Last time to plug Fucked up shit [mp3.com]

Damn the French (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536082)

I think the title says it all. Anything that Vivendi touches turns into shit.

Re:Damn the French (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536131)

Sacre bleau!

Internet Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536083)

Internet Trolls

Copyright (C) 2001 by Timothy Campbell (trollwatch@rogers.com)
Please do not cut-and-paste this article
April 19 2003 Edition
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

What is a troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Why Does it Matter?

Some people -- particularly those who have been online for years -- are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

What Can be Done about Trolls?

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

What Not to Do

As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.

Impersonation

One technique used by trolls to generate chaos is to pretend to be a well-liked person. On some systems there is nothing to prevent somebody from signing your name to a distasteful message. On other systems the troll may have to be a bit more wiley, perhaps by replacing one character with another. Here are some examples of various spoofing gimmicks that could be used against a person named Brenda Q. O'Really:

Brenda Q. O"Really Brenda Q. 0'Really Brenda Q O'Really
Brenda Q. O'Rea11y Bredna Q. O'Really 8renda Q. O'Really

Note: "Brenda Q. O'Really" is a made-up name used to illustrate spoofing and is not intended to refer to a particular person.

If you react with anger, the troll wins. So if you see a message impersonating you on a message board, simply write a follow-up reply entitled "That Wasn't Me" and type only this:

I did not write that message; it is a fake.

Of course, sometimes you will find that people who know you well have already identified the message as a fake and have tagged it as such. After all, one of the troll's goals is to make you look bad. If you have a good reputation, people will be tipped off if a message that you apparently wrote is completely out of character.

Trolls have been known to become so irritated at having their spoofs identified that they have learned to write in another person's style. They may end up writing an intelligent message that is indistinguishable from your own golden words. If that happens, you can always just let the post stand and take credit for it!

Trolls will also sometimes write a "That Wasn't Me" message after a genuine one, attempting to elicit a denial. There really is no reason to give him what he wants, since a "That Wasn't Me" warning merely reminds people to be skeptical. That is to say, it is of no real consequence if somebody isn't sure that you wrote a normal message, since in the long run it is the ideas that are important.

The Webmaster's Challenge

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed -- more on this later.

The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate.

Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person?

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

What about Free Speech?

When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.

While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.

Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.

The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.

When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.

The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

Why Do They Do It?

Affirmation.

Regular net users know how delightful it is when somebody responds to something they have written. It is a meeting of the minds, which is an intellectual thrill, but it is also an acknowledgement of one's value -- and that can be a very satisfying emotional reward.

Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.

If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter.

Conclusion

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

The Internet is a splendidly haphazard collection of both serious and silly material. Because it is so free, there are bound to be problems. I think that we can best enjoy it if we deal with everything that happens online with a wry grin and a ready shrug.

Note to Webmasters

Webmasters are invited to link to this article; you do not need to write to ask for permission. It is part of a set of related web pages that have been active since 1995 and should be around for many years to come. This includes another article, entitled "Flame Wars and Other Online Arguments". You may also wish to link to my Internet Writing Guide -- a 10-minute course that can help new Internet users write better messages and email.

Incidentally, if you have a troll problem, I would like to suggest that you check out my Parse-O-Matic site. We offer a programmable data utility that can filter system logs and other text. Both Windows and DOS are supported.

"Music" is on the radio (0, Flamebait)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536086)

The crap on MP3.com is hardly what I'd call "music," but I guess to be fair we should at least respect independent artists and their rights to create art.

For example, BIG POO GENERATOR [mp3s.com] will soon be destroyed courtesy of this terrible and massive "rm -rf" campaign against freedom of music, art, and love.

Please indicate, in a replied comment, your favorite MP3.com artists so as to show Vivendi and the Big Media companies that we love these people. It will take a grassroots effort, but by replying right now to this sllort, you can seriously help the Cause.

Re:"Music" is on the radio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536246)

In no particular order: Phoebe Legere Phoebe Legere [mp3.com] Elvis Sinatra Elvis Sinatra [mp3.com] Eve Selis Eve Selis [mp3.com] Lenny Hat Lenny Hat [mp3.com] Lothlorien Lothlorien [mp3.com] Robin Hackett Robin Hackett [mp3.com] Irish & Celtic Songs - Ourselves Ourselves [mp3.com]

wow... (5, Interesting)

ambienceman (721763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536090)

That's pretty messed up. What if the person put a lot of effort in using mp3.com to market their stuff? They also depended on the company to create their physical media, and those will be destroyed as well. I have friends who use it. They should at least give them the option to buy their own CDs back at the minimum price.

It seems as if mergers and acqusitions always have some negative effect on the customer.

Unfortunately, this is a major one. Shouldn't the government be able to step in? hmmmmmm afterthinking about it, it's probably best that they don't...

Re:wow... (4, Insightful)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536179)

"What if the person put a lot of effort in using mp3.com to market their stuff?"

Then, hopefully that person has learned a valuable lesson about trusting a corporation without a contract. (You *can't*, ever).

Re:wow... (1)

Tom (822) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536256)

It seems as if mergers and acqusitions always have some negative effect on the customer.

You got it.

Mergers and acquisitions are good for the companies involved. As the market is a zero-sum game whenever it is not creating something, that means someone else suffers loss of equal size. Usually, it's the customer. Sometimes, it's the competition.

Re:wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536276)

Congrats, its been almost a year since someone thought they knew what they were talking about and used the term "zero sum game". But you blew it, way to go!!!

This is bad. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536092)

Hypothetical:
Jane Average Rockerchick is currently on a 10 city tour of small venues. It's just her, her drummer, her bassist and the hypothetical band Skoda.

She built this tour on the basis of her fan community, which she built up on her mp3.com site. She doesn't have a recording deal. She hasn't checked her email in 3 weeks. She's just about ran out of the CDs she brought with her to sell for gas money. She wants to go to a cybercaf to order a few to be delivered to the next town she'll be in.

It's December 4th. She's screwed.

She emails mp3.com to find out what happened to her music. They send a form letter reply saying they zapped it, sorry, thank you for your patronage.

She calls home to see if her producer can burn her a few from his masters, but his basement studio got flooded last night because the idiot landlord didn't put in proper drainage. Her masters are pooched. She was going to meet a record weasel in Cleveland. Guess that's out.

Just another great recording artist you never heard of. She blew her savings on this tour. Guess she'll go back to waiting tables.

Re:This is bad. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536148)

That's the stupidest hypothetical set of low-probability occurences strung together that I've seen in my life. Why don't you throw in a few more random coincidences and have her sold into white slavery at the end as a result of this happening? That'd make these guys *super* eeeevil.

JFC, you blithering assmaster.

Re:This is bad. (1)

The Dobber (576407) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536257)

Cool, white slavery !! Could Neo and Trinity show up?

Purge the Drives Capt'n! (1)

jfholcomb (60309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536094)

Are there any good music sharing services that are doing things right?

Re:Purge the Drives Capt'n! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536132)

there are... but mentioning 'em here would mean that they'd be over run by nerds who want to trade videogame music. Or Rush fans. Ugh...

Yes, ampfea.org does it right. (5, Informative)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536215)

Run by geeky music makers for the benefit of the music community, ampfea.org is free (although donations of cash or bandwidth are solicited). There are spam-free mailing lists for musicians (and a new-music for download annoucement only list for the non-musicians) there as well as a stack of leigitmate freely shared MP3s, and audio samples for making your own music. Baset of all, it's a really nice community, we have real-world meet-ups occasionally.

Re:Purge the Drives Capt'n! (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536284)

http://www.iuma.com

"With It" Slashdot (0)

dahamsta (161956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536096)

This is news? As linked, the Reg reported the first half of this story on the 15th, and the latter half was reported elsewhere earlier this week! Slashdot it turning into the equivalent of my dad at a party. "I can still do it son!"

Re:"With It" Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536119)

No, my knee-jerking friend, it's a DUPE from the -14th-.

Feel better?

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/14/1253 25 7&mode=thread&tid=141&tid=188

That sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536103)

I'm too late for a FIRST POST! So, how about a FOURTH POST? That should do.

This is bad (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536106)

Hypothetical: Jane Average Rockerchick is currently on a 10 city tour of small venues. It's just her, her drummer, her bassist and the hypothetical band Skoda. She built this tour on the basis of her fan community, which she built up on her mp3.com site. She doesn't have a recording deal. She hasn't checked her email in 3 weeks. She's just about ran out of the CDs she brought with her to sell for gas money. She wants to go to a cybercaf to order a few to be delivered to the next town she'll be in. It's December 4th. She's screwed. She emails mp3.com to find out what happened to her music. They send a form letter reply saying they zapped it, sorry, thank you for your patronage. She calls home to see if her producer can burn her a few from his masters, but his basement studio got flooded last night because the idiot landlord didn't put in proper drainage. Her masters are pooched. She was going to meet a record weasel in Cleveland. Guess that's out. Just another great recording artist you never heard of. She blew her savings on this tour. Guess she'll go back to waiting tables.

Re:This is bad (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536122)

Way to repost

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=86757&cid=75 36 092

Asshat.

Re:This is bad (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536134)

well I copied them both from k5 anyway. But thanks for noticing asshat!

Re:This is bad (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536254)

reply twice! reply twice!

Re:This is bad (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536140)

Way to bite

http://www.goatse.cx

Assshoe.

destroying what? (3, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536113)

Are they destroying just the copies they 'own' rights too, or are these the actual orginal songs + the only distribution rights, and the music will be lost forever?

Dupe of last week (-1, Troll)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536114)

mp3.com Acquired by CNet [slashdot.org]
Posted by CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] on Friday November 14, @09:43PM
from the things-are-getting-interesting dept.
bmarklein writes "Looks like mp3.com is no more, at least not in its current form. According to an announcement on an mp3.com message board [mp3.com] , CNet has acquired assets of mp3.com. The statement is very vague, but it says that following the redirection of the mp3.com domain on December 2nd, "all content will be deleted from [mp3.com's] servers." However they do plan to eventually introduce "new and enhanced artist services"."

Re:Dupe of last week (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536275)

who are the retards marking the parent down as a troll? this IS a repost from last week! wtf?

A shame.. (3, Insightful)

iantri (687643) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536115)

Until it went all to hell in the last year or two, mp3.com was a great way to find new independent artists, all in one place.

In fact, I'm sure it was good for them too; I've heard music I first found on mp3.com make its way onto TV shows.

Oh well.

There ARE other "hippie" options for music (5, Informative)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536117)

I'm a self-proclaimed hippie as well, people. What self-respecting young man ISN'T in favor of independence and free love these days?

Anyway, what I really wanted to scribe here is that iRATE [sourceforge.net] is an amazing new program. You can learn and meet new artists through their music, and it's entirely Free as in an STD (-;

I recently found that after being disappointed with MP3.com, and I must say that I love it so much that I had a dream about it last night that I would wake up and only have the damn OMNIMEDIA radio crap stations playing Pinkin Lark and crap like that (which encourages violence, mind you).

Again, please support iRATE -- it's SourceForge code, it's Open-Source (~95%), it's made by Americans and Europeans, and it's really cool and a great replacement for MP3.com.

If he really cared... (3, Insightful)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536118)

If Michael Robertson really cared about the songs he should have made a binding contract for them on the moment he sold MP3.com.

I have a feeling he is a crybaby that only cares for his own (good?) name and his reputation...

He found selling mp3.com more important back then than retaining the songs for archive...

He is like all the other managers of businesses...

Not to be trusted that is...

Re:If he really cared... (1)

sporty (27564) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536250)

M. Robertson is a business person first and foremost. It's all a game of making money. If it's not making money, you have to do /something/. If he had tons of money and doing this for the sake of charity, or the greater good, , then it'd be fine to criticize him. If you can do a better job, then please do.

I'm no robertson lover, but running a business is a very hard thing to do. No one likes creating a money maker and then selling it off just for the cash. They'd rather make MORE money.

Hmmm.... (3, Informative)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536126)

Also see here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/34143.html

Chris

Stay of execution? (3, Insightful)

Quizo69 (659678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536127)

Is it perhaps possible to do a quick and dirty petition to a judge for a stay of execution on grounds of potentially destroying cultural heritage?

Seems everyone is doing that for old building etc - why should independent music be exempt from that ideal?

Permission needed? I don't think so. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536137)

So what if registration is required for downloading.

You can connect to it from any web browser right?

MP3.COM is a publically acessible part of the internet right?

You don't have to pay for the content right?

The Internet Archive should just make as many registered accounts as they need and download whatever they damn well please.

If the new owner isn't happy with that then the Internet Archive can tell them to go piss up a stick.

Re:Permission needed? I don't think so. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536317)

Conspiracy theory begin here: (5, Interesting)

icemax (565022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536149)

So, Vivendi, a music industry heavyweight, now owns indie music promoting mp3.com, sells it to a third party and destroys access to hundreds of thousands of independant artists. How does this not seem like a typical power-grab by the music industry??

Re:Conspiracy theory begin here: (1)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536281)

Think about it, though. They can destroy all the files they want - there are people behind all those songs. Most of those people will still want to distribute their music, so they can take it to a different place on the 'net.

Re:Conspiracy theory begin here: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536308)

> Think about it, though. They can destroy all the files they want - there are people behind all those songs. Most of those people will still want to distribute their music, so they can take it to a different place on the 'net.

Ya, just like "before"... on a handful of GeoCities pages?

Freenet (3, Funny)

PaddyM (45763) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536161)

How about we download the content and upload it to freenet?

Re:Freenet (1)

Aliencow (653119) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536225)

I hope you have a lot of money in the bank because you'll need it if you want to live for 200 years.

Re:Freenet (1)

Directrix1 (157787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536236)

Because it would die on freenet within a couple of hours. Freenet only works for stuff that is actually requested often.

HAHA! MP3 Suckers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536162)

Did you really think an effort to subvert corporate controls would work? It was only a matter of time. Bow to your corporate taskmasters.

I for one welcome our Corporate Taskmasters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536266)

...my apologies to the chef...

not good (1)

VanillaCoke420 (662576) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536163)

Guess I'll better hurry up and download as much as I can. I hope that someone else will start up a new version...

Not true (4, Informative)

tritone (189506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536165)

According to The Register [theregister.com] , the contents of MP3.com will be hosted at archive.org [archive.org]

Re:Not true (5, Informative)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536210)

No, it is true (unless something changes.) Archive.org have offered to host the archive. Vivendi Universal hasn't accepted the offer.

Music industry showing their hand (5, Interesting)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536173)

It seems to me that this incident is a window into the true goals of the RIAA and the music industry.

What they're trying to do here is attack a competing distribution chain. This is the whole reason they hate MP3s in the first place.

MP3s represent a method for unknown artists and styles to reach popular recognition. This is a threat to the music industry, because if that were to happen, they would have to find acts that were actually good on their own merits as opposed to mediocre copycats and sexbomb divas who only sound good because of their multi-million dollar production jobs.

I can't express my hatred for the executives and committees who make decisions like these behind closed doors and for obscure reasons.

saw it on Kuro5hin first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536199)

Nice to see the rewording of the Kuro5hin headline.

Re:saw it on Kuro5hin first (1)

KwisatzHaderach (138176) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536263)

Hmmm. Interesting. But seeing as not all of us read Kuro5hin, who gives a crap.

crawler? (2, Interesting)

Tom (822) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536208)

Anyone got a crawler for mp3.com? Time to make a full copy as long as we still can.

250k songs at ~5-6 MB each will require about 1.5 TB of storage. Easily within the reach of a small group of dedicated music fans.

Hell, put it up as a permanent bittorrent archive and distribute it around.

Re:crawler? (1)

One Louder (595430) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536267)

Uh, that's 250,000 artists . There are somewhat over a million songs.

Still not totally unreasonable, but you only have about a week to pull down over 6 TB according to your math.

Re:crawler? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536301)

No need [theregister.co.uk]

Why destroyed. (2, Insightful)

nuggz (69912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536216)

What assets were purchased.
What assets were not.

If they did not purchase the music, or the copyright to the music archive someone could simply copy it.

Alternatively if the mp3.com business model worked, why not just start up another. If it didn't work, it should die anyway.

of course! (1)

kasper37 (90457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536217)

What did you think they meant by "buy out?"

What's going on with encoded music industry?? (1)

armando_wall (714879) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536221)

The guys at Ogg.com [ogg.com] also changed their business model, too!!!

Re:What's going on with encoded music industry?? (1)

MelodicMotives (724089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536304)

Well, the world needs more flowers anyway. vorbis.com

mp3.org? (4, Insightful)

bug-eyed monster (89534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536223)

OK mp3.org is taken, but it seems to me, this is an ideal time for the artists to get together and start their own version of mp3.com, the way it was a couple of years ago, when it concentrated on making non-mainstream music available worldwide.

The artists should get together, chip in a few dollars/euros each and buy the material back, start their own website. The material is being destroyed anyway, so Vivendi shouldn't have too much of a problem selling it back to the authors.

The only problem is the notice is so short. But if the artists don't get together and do it now, another "entrepeneur" will buy the material for cheap and screw it up even more.

Re:mp3.org? (2, Informative)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536247)

The notice isn't short, mp3.com has been going down the shitter for over two years now. The last straw for me was when they limited non-paid artists to three songs, making the site totally unusable for the dozens of album-a-day [spacebar.org] projects that had been posted there. It would definitely be nice to have an internet music system that cared about free, underground music, though. I am of the opinion that there is plenty of bandwidth there, if it is used in creative ways (ie, peer-to-peer).

Re:mp3.org? (1)

gunix (547717) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536277)

ogg.org?

MP3.com Must Be Destroyed (1)

mini me (132455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536226)

I heard they maybe just ate a baby
That makes sense to me
But I doubt it, I won't allow it
Because I run the scene
They always fake it, too bad they made it
It's not a problem to me
They're really smart but they ain't got no heart
They make my asshole bleed!

So very negative
They only take and they never give
I scream into the night
MP3.com must be destroyed!

They are nothing, I'm for real ...but I heard they had some cat killed
I heard they run the media
Tearing down what others build
I deserve some respect for my class and my intellect
Why can't they be my friends
This RIAA torture will never end

So very negative
They only take and they never give
I scream into the night
MP3.com must be destroyed!

Somebody stop them please!

This is going too far. (1, Interesting)

pgaffney (247103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536230)

That's it. That's it! These people have to be fucking stopped.


It was one thing when the consolidation of radio stations combined with neo-payola fixed it so there was nothing but top 40's crap to be heard on the radio, then they try to quash p to p networks and maintain their near complete control over distribution of MY freakin' culture and sue 12 year olds for hundreds of thousands of dollars, but if it looks like they're going to go the additional step and actually start DELETING the $%#$ing art they've gone too far.


I want these pricks out of business with their children out in the street turning tricks for wonderbread. Monday.


GOD I've got a hangover.

contact CNet and let them know (5, Insightful)

antisoshal (639054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536233)

on the front page of CNet is a feedback link. Not that Im naive enough to think 5 emails will do it, but a few hundred pointing out that they are alienating the very demographic they were concieved to serve might help a bit....CNet was started as a way to mainstream nerd-dom. Its not really a great resource now, but coporations always fear alienating customers to some extent. Only takes a second, and please be calm and articulate. Insults and ranting get ignored EVERYWHERE, not just here.

.coms (2, Insightful)

panxerox (575545) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536239)

are transitory things, existing at the whims of people or worse corporations. And like the "good for one year current hard drives" are best not to be relied upon for serious cultural content. In this case the "commons" is more like a window pane written on with a cake of soap in a rainstorm.

of course they are not selling it (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536244)


the content isnt their's to sell,
unless you want to distribute the cash amongst 250,000 artists cos iam pretty sure you do not assign mp3.com commercial distribution, publication, and wave your song rights so a multimillion dollar company can sell them without you getting a bean

this is a good thing, shame they are destroying gigs of music but better that than a few more leeches get rich off the backs of creative people

Is archive.org willing? (2, Insightful)

NiKnight3 (532580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536249)

If the Internet Archive is willing, I think there's a better option than Freenet or BT for the music - the Archive itself.

I propose this: instead of downloading files, why don't we round up the e-mail addresses of all the artists on MP3.com we can find, and e-mail them before the site is taken down? We ask each of them if they would be willing to upload their files to archive.com, and then work with the IA to create a way to preserve them like at the Live Music Archive.

It's such a valuable resource, and it's a shame to lose it. (BTW, my views and personal experiences on this are on my site [justinrussell.com] .)

Sad (1)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536261)

Just as sad as a book burning. Music is information in the same way, and it's awful to see information destroyed in a manner such as this. Just back it up somewhere for gawds sake.

Vivendi: worse than the Taliban :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7536270)

SO they're destroying over one million songs by 250000 artists eh? Even the Taliban didn't manage to do such an injustice to the art of music when they banned tapes, cd's and radios.

Petition? (1)

jmaatta (550428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536282)

So, how long before first online petition appears? :)

Has anyone started a non-profit... (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536285)

...music sharing service (hosting) for artists interested in getting their original music out there? What I mean is that the site itself only makes money from donations that the hosted artists give them in return for some space to sell their wares. All profit from the music goes to the artist , and it's up to the artists themselves to keep the site alive by donating periodically. If we really want music that if free of DRM and IP entanglements with big corporations, this is really the only way to go. Music should be hosted in Ogg Vorbis format for download/streaming (considering that it streams much better than MP3 anyway). Anyone?

They're destroying COPIES of songs... (1)

ayden (126539) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536311)

It's not like they're destroying Original Master Recordings, which would be entirely different.

This is actually a GOOD and RESPONSIBLE thing (5, Insightful)

brennanw (5761) | more than 10 years ago | (#7536315)

Vivendi, by destroying the music, is pretty much acknowledging that they have no legal right to do anything else with it.

Once upon a time there was a nifty place called amp3.com -- they tagged commercials on the beginning of any songs you uploaded and gave the artist 5 cents per download. They got into a legal dispute with their ISP, who took all their servers offline.

Unfortunately, ISP would not allow the *artists* to get their music off the servers -- the ISP had hijacked the music of a thousand musicians (and wouldnt' give it back -- because the music was, after all, the draw at amp3.com).

Vivendi is buying MP3.com -- ok -- and they are apparently not interested in going the same route mp3.com did. SO what will they do?

They SHOULDN'T do what michael robertson is asking, and give the mp3s to the internet archive -- that's not Vivendi's call to make, and MP3.com didn't really have the right to do that based on the agreements the musicians signed up for.

So Vivendi is being responsible, as far as I can tell, by respecting the authorship and copyright of the musicians who have uploaded their music. They're guaranteeing to the artists that their mp3's wont wind up being used in a way that WASN'T AGREED TO ON THE ARTIST AGREEMENT FOR MP3.COM.

Personally, and this is kind of sad, but I would tend to trust Vivendi more than Michael Robertson, who has proven himself over and over again to be nothing more than a mercenary opportunist who is, to quote from high-brow literature, all about the benjamins, baby.
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