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Novell, RedHat and Sun Commit to a Linux Desktop

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the fuse-has-been-lit dept.

Linux Business 542

DeckerEgo writes "InfoWorld reports on the Linux desktop and how Novell, Sun and RedHat (wha?) are working on making 2004 the year corporations start adopting open desktops. But which desktop? Most interesting to note is how Novell is planning to beef up the number of Ximian, Gnome, Mozilla and OpenOffice developers after its SuSE aquisition is complete. Does this mean that SuSE will stop being one of the best KDE distros out there and follow the way of the Gnome?"

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542 comments

Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564179)

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Re:Post (1)

jazzis (612421) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564222)

Intentional post error by Darl?

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Re:GNAA FP! (-1, Troll)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564308)

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Re:GNAA FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564435)

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Re:GNAA FP! (-1, Troll)

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Re:GNAA FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564369)

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Devide and rule (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564185)

Don't trust Sun. The high priests of solaris only want to drive a stake between my brethren ...

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Re:Devide and rule (2, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564482)

Ummm, more like Solaris needs something a little more modern than Motif.

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564187)

GO LINUX!

I'm #1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564188)

FURST

good news (4, Insightful)

symbolic (11752) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564190)


Some top players committing to bolster the options available to those looking for an alternative to the stuff from Redmond. VERY good news.

Re:good news (4, Interesting)

Otter (3800) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564408)

Dunno -- I could swear I've read the same article ("2004 will be the year of the Linux desktop! Red Hat...SuSE...IBM...Sun...HP...GNOME...KDE, also...cheaper...Microsoft...virus...finally...") every year since 1998. The year just changes. Also, for a while they'd fawn over Eazel but then it disappeared.

I Like GNOME :P (-1, Offtopic)

Tagren (715283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564192)

Weeeee.

SUSE to GNOME? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564202)

Perhaps not, the CEO of SUSE recently said [kde.org] that they are sticking with KDE, but also making Ximian desktop better for SUSE.

Re:SUSE to GNOME? (1)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564226)

I've been using KDE, but I'm a SuSE user first and a KDE user second. I'll use whichever works best. Seems like with Ximian in the fold, that's going to be Gnome.

this promise may mean very little (4, Insightful)

porky_pig_jr (129948) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564371)

once SUSE is acquired by Novell. Personally experiencing two cases of acquisitions of smaller company by the larger one, I know how much those promises worth. Less than 'my 2 cents'.

Re:SUSE to GNOME? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564393)

Speaking of KDE, and to use this a bit as a tech forum (I know...."RTFM!"): I am a long time command line FreeBSD user, but recently thought I'd give the "ready for the desktop" Linux solutions a try. I downloaded and installed Mandrake 9.2, and am using the KDE 3.1 desktop.

Very slick and impressive piece of software (visually very refined), however initially the "Start Menu" had a large number of options, including useful options like a console, but suddenly (perhaps I hit a magic key) it swapped to a vastly condensed version, minus icons, and without a large number of the options. Right clicking on the background of the desktop and picking "Configure Desktop" doesn't result in anything (many operations are like that). Any idea why this would happen?

Re:SUSE to GNOME? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564428)

update-menus

the (huge) set of updates for the original mdk 9.2 messes up the menus - run update-menus as the user to fix it.

RH (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564203)

RH seemed like they were well on their way in RH 8/9, then suddenly pulled the plug.

Re:RH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564387)

i don't really see how this is insightful.

Re:RH (3, Funny)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564458)

i don't really see how this is insightful.

Well if you bothered to log in, you might get to meta-moderate it.

How many time have we seen this. (-1, Offtopic)

PsYcOBoRg (6613) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564204)

a topic is posted, and the nut job that is typing does not even read the articial in an attempt to be the first post.. :P

no im not.. lotsa people beat me to it.

Oh God YES!! Lick it Vince lick my cunt! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564205)

As I leveled the cold steel .44 at his busy head carefully reciting the lesbian feminist incantation that would induct me into the secret sapphic sisterhood that REALLY controls this world I slowly squeezed the trigger as Vince Foster licked obliviously
(Well my worthless husband can clean up the mess dump him in the park or something)
Hillary Rodham Clinton

Re:Oh God YES!! Lick it Vince lick my cunt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564335)

thats offtopic commie fag

Whoops (1)

guacamolefoo (577448) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564210)

SuSE aquisition is complete.

The acquisition is obviously incomplete at this point.

GF.

Novell, Red Hat and Sun to Open Source Community (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564212)

"Ok you hippies, get cracking on that code so we can quickly package your hard work"

Your wrong! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564233)

The real hippies are using GNU/HURD!

Mandrake (5, Insightful)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564215)

Sure wish someone large company w/ deep coffers would buy Mandrake and support the *best* KDE distro IMHO.

SuSE + Gnome (4, Interesting)

thenextpresident (559469) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564223)

I love SuSE, and I love Gnome. I know many people out there may disagree, but having SuSE actually provide better Gnome support is wonderful news to me.

Regardless of that fact, having some big companies work together to create a unified front, a unified showing for Linux on the desktop, whether they use KDE, Gnome, or whatever, is good news as well.

Looks like some fun and interesting things are coming.

Re:S(lackware)uSE + Gnome (2, Interesting)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564394)

Dropline Gnome [dropline.net] is quite good too...

Why the will pick Gnome. (4, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564224)

The 2000.00+ USD cost per developer to write commerical QT apps might be an issue with corp. adoption of KDE.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564283)

And QT / KDE are tightly coupled with Canopy to this day. The bastards.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564378)

Agreed.. does anybody know that Canopy owns 5% of TrollTech! That's almost as bad as Sun being SCO's licensee! Let's ditch the ugly and bloated GNOME and KDE and switch to xfce4! =)

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564316)

Are you kidding? $2000 is nothing when you include costs of running a commercial outfit. Furthermore, Qt is such an easy-to-use, high quality toolkit compared with anything GNOME has to offer that you are bound to be ahead on the development costs in time savings alone. Qt also works on the Mac and Windows - GNOME toolkits don't - this is very important for most commercial developers.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564390)

Yes, God forbid that a company that produces classy software like Qt should ever make any money whatsoever from it. However, when you compare Gnome to Qt you realise just how bloody awful free software can be. Gnome is the best advert for Qt there is. I`ve used both but would always choose Qt over Gnome if I had to develop an application. Kicking Trolltech in the teeth casts a bad light on some of the companies involved with Linux.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564492)

If pointing out what the charge is 'kicking trolltech in the teeth' then perhaps they charge too much?

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (5, Informative)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564397)

You can write commercial software with the free Qt, but it has to be GPL licensed. What you can't write is closed-source or unfree software.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (3, Informative)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564467)

From the trolltech.com site.

Use the Qt Commercial License to:
Build commercial software.
Build software that is not sold, but that advances the business goals of a commercial enterprise.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564485)

I'm well aware of Trolltech's abuse of the world "commercial". It's clear that when using the GPL'd Qt, your resulting products will have to be GPL as well. But they can still be commercial, so Trolltech should change their wording.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (4, Insightful)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564402)

The 2000.00+ USD cost per developer to write commerical QT apps might be an issue with corp. adoption of KDE.

1. Most users, by the very definition of the term, do not develop software.

2. $2000 USD is practically nothing in terms of software development costs.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (4, Interesting)

edwdig (47888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564463)

A $2000 one time is nothing in software development costs. However, $2000 per developer adds up very quickly in a large company. Also keep in mind, if you want support, you have to pay that fee yearly. No big company is going to consider something like Qt without having support.

Also, the Qt licensing completely kills the potential for shareware apps for KDE. It's not really an issue now, but it would be if Linux were more mainstream.

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (2, Insightful)

caseih (160668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564473)

Even if a developer has a license to develop non-GPL programs with QT (which do integrate with the KDE desktop pretty well), I don't think it's possible to develop non-GPL KDE apps because the KDE libs are GPL'd. Although I prefer that everyone embrace the GPL, that isn't going to happen and I wonder if that issue plus the $2000 source license fee isn't a huge obstacle to corporate KDE deployment. How did theKompany get around that obstacle and make commercial KDE apps?

Re:Why the will pick Gnome. (4, Insightful)

opkool (231966) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564491)

Mmmm

The price of a similar set up (OS + Development Studio + ToolKit + Database Server + groupware APIs + web server + ...) for the "other" OS (yes, the one from Redmond, WA) is, at least 5-fold.

And, if you decide to use QT to develop GPL software, your cost goes down to zero. On the other platorm, the cost remains the same... and probably you cannot GPL the whole code.

Of course, you can opt to build GTK-based applications.

So, in short:

- it is cheaper
- you have choice of toolkits
- you have choice of license for your code

I say developing for Linux is better.

Peace

Everyone Wanted Consolidation (3, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564229)

Everyone that has ever commented on the state of the Linux desktop has begged for consolidation. And now with Novell/SuSE, RedHat, Sun, HP, and IBM all backing Gnome it would appear that said consolidation is finally going to happen.

Re:Everyone Wanted Consolidation (3, Insightful)

Zork the Almighty (599344) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564355)

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it. Novell/Redhat/Sun would have to succeed beyond everyones' wildest expectations to make it happen. I think we'll have KDE vs. Gnome for years to come, and we'll have situation where gradually, over time, the interoperabilities will be ironed out or smoothed over. Hopefully, KDE vs. Gnome will become a question of how you want your desktop to operate, without all the technical issues of whether or not programs work and whether they "look right".

Re:Everyone Wanted Consolidation (3, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564444)

The question becomes a little murkier when you realize that a sizable percentage of the KDE hackers will soon work for Novell, and that Nat Friedman is heading up Novell's desktop Linux division.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect KDE to disappear overnight, but the Gnome crowd now has the majority of the professional KDE hackers by their paycheck. At the very least you can expect their to be a lot more talk in the KDE world about "integration" (and it will be the Gnome crowd calling the shots).

Gnome-KDE thread here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564231)

OK:

"I would like to know which of Gnome or KDE is better. Any opinions?"

-- The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire. Discuss!

Re:Gnome-KDE thread here! (4, Insightful)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564370)

Gnome-KDE thread here! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 25, @07:48PM (#7564231)
OK:

"I would like to know which of Gnome or KDE is better. Any opinions?"
*bites troll*
KDE's better. Hell, even Linus uses it. But just because KDE's better doesn't mean Gnome sucks. Gnome's faster, GTK is better than QT and GTK apps look better in Gnome, and Gnome is overall less bloated. But KDE is far more configurable, so I like it better.

-1, trollbiter

Re:Gnome-KDE thread here! (1)

Queuetue (156269) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564388)

Look up the definition for "neither". Discuss that.

Redhat to work on desktops? Makes sense to me.. (1, Troll)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564232)

RedHat pretty much have the enterprise linux market at the moment.. why not take the easy way out, and make sure that they are very visable in the desktop market, but never put resources into working on it until the other companies have done all the hard pioneering work for them..??!!

They will put bucketloads of support for the linux desktop enviroments/movements, but wait until the market is plump and tender before that roll in and attempt to dominate the market..

Re:Redhat to work on desktops? Makes sense to me.. (4, Informative)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564448)

Redhat puts as much or more work into the desktop then anyone, who founded freedesktop.org there smart guy? who i'll give you a hint his e-mail address starts with an H and ends with a redhat.com
who wrote Orbit with very significant controbutions to gnome-terminal, gconf, freedesktop.org and maintaining Gtk+. Mike Harris is a huge contributor to X itself.
I know this is slashdot but please don't open your mouth unless you have a clue.

Of course, knowing novell (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564234)

They will no doubt call it "linuxware", and after a few years sell it to a company named SCO, which will then get sold and become another company named SCO that will sue everyone again for some unknown reason...

Why did George W. Bush molest his daughter Jenna? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564235)

Because he wanted to see his Child's Left Behind - da-dum ... Thanks folks Im here all week!

Re:Why did George W. Bush molest his daughter Jenn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564317)

MOD PARENT UP +5 Funny.
Smoke this

Here come the mercenaries? (1, Interesting)

tarquin_fim_bim (649994) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564237)

"Red Hat, for its part, is taking steps toward a widespread desktop offering.

I thought the official line from Red Hat was the Linux Desktop is Dying [slashdot.org]
More spin here than a Microsoft developers conference. Looks like the Linux 'community' is on the ebb, people are getting sweaty palms. Kerching! Kerching! Kerching!

Re:Here come the mercenaries? (3, Informative)

StenD (34260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564407)

I thought the official line from Red Hat was the Linux Desktop is Dying?
You thought wrong. Matthew Szulik said that while a Linux desktop can exceed expectations for corporate users, it doesn't meet the expectations of home users. In a corporate environment, IT can (and, in most cases, needs to) control what software is loaded on corporate workstations. That allows them to install Linux applications which meet the needs for most desktops, and install Windows systems when there are specialized applications which are only available on Windows. Home users expect to be able to walk into Wal*Mart, pick up a box from the PC section, and install it on their PC. Until Windows emulation on Linux is seamless, or most PC applications are developed for both Windows and Linux, the expectations of the typical home user will not be met. Slashdot readers better resemble corporate users than home users, so a Linux desktop may be appropriate for us, but it is not representative of the typical home user.

To what effect? (5, Insightful)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564240)

I suppose this means that one desktop environment (probably Gnome, at this point) will get enough support to bring Linux to the desktop, something that alot of people have been denying Linux is ready for in the past few weeks.

The only thing that really bothers me is that Random Corperate Giant is making the decision, not the users. When it comes down to it KDE and Gnome are both on top because they are both Really Good, and that fuels competition, etc. They've stayed "euqally" as popular because their respective user bases like them so much. So the most well known, in my opinion, Linux, Network OS, and Unix providers get to pick what they like and back it... Frightening.

You snooze, you lose. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564356)

The only thing that really bothers me is that Random Corperate Giant is making the decision, not the users.


The users had their chance.

If SuSE goes GNOME... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564241)

Does this mean that SuSE will stop being one of the best KDE distros out there and follow the way of the Gnome?"

I hope so. Then maybe Slackware could drop GNOME entirely in favour of KDE, and regain the 90% market share it once had.

Re:If SuSE goes GNOME... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564275)

Unfortunatly for SuSE, that'd be the case here in Europe. Gnome user are quite far and frequent here. I think there was a Gnome user sighting at the zoo a few days ago.

Karma whoring (-1, Redundant)

hellish products (624704) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564246)

in case of slashdotting

Next year just may be the year that desktop Linux emerges as a viable alternative to Windows.

Inspired by stirrings among corporate users for desktop Linux and with Microsoft's forthcoming Longhorn operating system not expected on desktops until 2005, IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, and Dell are augmenting their corporate Linux desktop wares. Novell and Red Hat also are assembling Linux desktops.

IBM's Global Services unit, for instance, intends to put in place next year a broad-based technical support program for Linux on corporate desktops.
What figures to add even more momentum is that HP and Dell are expected to announce technical support programs early next year, according to an industry executive familiar with both companies' plans, who requested anonymity.

"You are going to see similar announcements from HP and Dell around the [late January] LinuxWorld timeframe. If IBM is going to stand behind Linux on the desktop, that is something those two will have to do as well," the source said.

Sun, too, has been pushing desktop Linux and its StarOffice suite.

"Customers now have a few strong reasons to consider alternatives to Windows desktops," said Hal Stern, CTO of Sun Services.

First, the cost of Microsoft software and licensing terms are considerably higher than that for Linux, Stern said. Second, desktop and user provisioning with Linux has improved. And third, a proliferation of stateless clients, such as Sun Ray systems, offers users non-Windows choices for desktops.

Red Hat, for its part, is taking steps toward a widespread desktop offering.

"You don't see a lot of companies making a conversion to Linux desktops across administrative staff and general employees. But you'll see a lot more of that in 2004. I think it will get enormous momentum in 2005," said John Young, Red Hat's vice president of marketing.

In the meantime, Red Hat is working to better integrate Linux with existing infrastructure products.

"There are still a lot of improvements we can make to the desktop environment, and we are focusing on things like better security and profile management,'' Young said.

IBM officials said some large accounts are interested in desktop Linux as part of a broader plan to change their overall architecture and lower total cost of ownership.

"No question there is an increase in the inquiries about Linux on the desktop," said Scott Handy, vice president of IBM's Linux strategy and market development. "Most users will swap out a Windows desktop for Linux as part of a three- to five-year architectural change, not a one-year decision to save money in 2004."

Perhaps the most intriguing possibility for a stronger Linux desktop environment, however, lies with Novell and its plans to tie together its stable of server-based applications and services with the newly acquired SuSE version of Linux and Ximian's Linux desktop and management software.

"There are some pretty interesting things we could do in terms of integrating [SuSE Linux and Ximian Desktop 2.0] as a way to offer better solutions and better hardware interoperability. We intend to deliver on that soon," said Nat Friedman, vice president of product development at Novell's Ximian group.

Sources said that once the acquisition is finalized early next year, the company will tightly stitch the Ximian Desktop with an enhanced version of SuSE 9.0, which would enable smooth connections to Novell's GroupWise collaboration server, ZENworks resource manager, and security and integration products. The company also claimed that it will more than double the number of engineers working on the Ximian Desktop and will focus on improving the Gnome desktop environment, the OpenOffice suite, and Mozilla browser.

"The best way to compete on the [Linux] desktop is to offer an end-to-end architecture that works across handhelds, desktops, and servers," said Dana Gardner, a senior analyst at The Yankee Group.

Furthermore, the confluence of Linux vendors' efforts may prove to be well-timed. While Microsoft's much-heralded next-generation Windows, code-named Longhorn, is not expected to hit corporate desktops until late 2005, the time is ripe for desktop Linux to blossom.

"Given Longhorn's time line and some of the traction we are seeing for Linux

on desktops, the [Linux vendors] have a good shot at getting more firmly planted there," said Stephen O'Grady, senior analyst at RedMonk.

Underscoring that, IDC expects that by early 2004 Linux will take the No. 2 spot behind Microsoft in the desktop fray.

"We have projected that Linux will be a mainstream platform by 2005 on servers, but we are also thinking that desktop acceptance will only trail slightly behind [servers] in that timeframe," said Dan Kusnetzky, vice president of IDC's system software research.

But the nagging lack of applications for desktop Linux, notably Microsoft Office, still hangs in the air. Many users would like to switch, but the applications, particularly in vertical areas, are not available.

"Because of the nature of our business, which is oil and gas, we're at the mercy of what is available on

the desktop, and those applications are all on Windows," said Brian Baldwin, manager of IS at Enerplus Resources Fund.

Baldwin added that as the programs Enerplus needs, such as geographic information systems-based and reservoir management software, are moved to Linux, the open source platform could be more practicable.

"We're looking for value on the desktop, so if there is a compelling reason to use something [other than Windows], we'd look at it," Baldwin said.

I wonder (5, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564249)

I am wondering if they are going to put alot into user interface design like Apple did with OS X, and if they will be selling it preinstalled on computers like Windows does, that should deffinately bring up the market for it, also a unified desktop [slashdot.org] would be great for it too, people seem to think different on the subject though.

LInux Desktop vs Longhorn (1, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564256)

Which will really happen first? In many ways the end result will determine the REST OF HISTORY. Or maybe not. There will have to be a unified vision and presentation before Inux on the desktop makes it to the coperate space or the consumer. And as we all know Longhorn will be ready when flying monkees fly out of my butt. Any one want to place bets? Please, No Macheads, i"m strictly talking x86/ platform.

Hmmmm (4, Funny)

the_other_one (178565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564258)

I suspect we will wind up with the:
Knome Desktop Environment.

Gnome is all you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564262)

You know Gnome is better than KDE =P

We all know it :).

Re:Gnome is all you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564307)

In what ways?

I've used them both recently, and I've found both quite good.

GNOME is good for usability and accessibility
KDE is good for features and integration

Both have good customization (although they present it in different ways- KDE shows it in configuration dialogs, and GNOME uses gconf-editor), and themeing capabilities (GNOME's Industrial and KDE's plastik themes are good.)

funny thought (4, Funny)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564263)

wouldn't it be funny if 3drealms didn't finish Duke 4 ever until linux dominated the home desktop market.. then they'd have to re-write their game AGAIN so it would be compatable..

LOL

Re:funny thought (1)

adamy (78406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564450)

I think the curse you are trying to quote is usually translated as: May you live in interesting times.

Then again, my Mandarin is not strong enough to say...assuming it was a mandarin quote to begin with.

Debian+KDE (0)

femto (459605) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564264)

> Does this mean that SuSE will stop being one of the best KDE distros out there and follow the way of the Gnome?"

KDE is now part of Debian [debian.org] , so if SuSE drops KDE it is always possible to divert effort into making Debian the best KDE distro (as well as the best GNOME distro).

Re:Debian+KDE (2, Insightful)

mackstann (586043) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564449)

What do you mean "now part of"? KDE's been in debian for as long as pretty much anything else, and I don't know of any sort of partnership between debian and KDE, so what are you talking about exactly?

slack me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564296)

once a slacker always a slacker. slackware and blackbox for life!

Great news (1)

code_echelon (709189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564299)

Always great to hear some big names stepping up and increasing their push for a desktop Linux that would be useable for the current Windows user. I think Linux is already ready for the desktop, however the installation process for most programs in Linux is the only thing that really needs to be improved before it would be completely suitable for the average Windows user.

Glad to see all these companies consolodating and backing Gnome. I have been using Gnome for a year or two now and have never had any problems and look forward to every new version of the desktop.

Give RedHat some slack (1)

An Anonymous Hero (443895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564313)

RedHat (wha? [slashdot.org] ) are working on making 2004 the year corporations start adopting open desktops

Wha, "wha"?

Szulik said something about the home desktop, not about the desktop in general. Tempest in a tea pot...

Ark Linux is the Savior in the KDE fame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564321)

I came over this distro Ark Linux URL: http://www.arklinux.org , it was very easy to install and support is great.
Its a KDE centric distro, the best distro i have used to this date, they are still in Alpha stage .. but they have done a great effort.

Cheers 33C!

DOWN WITH ZIONISM! (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564328)

Down with I$rael! Down with AmeriKKKa!

Re:DOWN WITH ZIONISM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564349)

Do you not see the irony of your position? You are equally racist, if not more so. Please don't breed.

This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564343)

It's good that Gnome is becoming the main Linux desktop instead of KDE. Gnome simply looks better - functional, clean, elegant, no pointless shiny eyecandy - and most importantly it's fully free software (unlike KDE).

Re:This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564423)

> it's fully free software (unlike KDE).

Actually, KDE is more free software than GNOME is. It uses the GPL Qt software rather than the LGPL Gtk software. The GPL protects the free software world much more than the LGPL does.

Re:This is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564438)

Your mom's still a whore.

Bad for both KDE and GNOME (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564348)

The reason KDE and GNOME have come so far so quickly (within 5 years) is that they've had each other to feed off of and compete with. If there is any considerable swing in one that the other dies off, it'll mean suckage for the "winning" desktop.

Just look what happened with CDE and OpenLook in the previous UNIX desktop war. After people standardized on CDE, it started stagnating until KDE was founded and eventually GNOME killed it off.

I've been a GNOME user since GNOME 1.0, and I would hate to see Suse switch to GNOME, since they've been a driving force behind KDE, and thus a driving force behind GNOME.

Re:Bad for both KDE and GNOME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564399)

I agree 110%. I'm primarily a KDE user, and have been using it forever, but it really didn't become decent until GNOME started becoming more than a pipe dream (around GNOME 1.2 or so)

Re:Bad for both KDE and GNOME (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564405)

I always thought it was XFCE that gave the final death-blow to CDE.

Re:Bad for both KDE and GNOME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564483)

No, it was GNOME. Once Sun (and HP) switched from CDE to GNOME. HP switched back to CDE later on, because they simply didn't care much about the UNIX server desktop anymore.

No "Wha?" (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564353)

Just because Redhat believes that the Linux desktop RIGHT NOW is not as good as Windows for the average home user doesn't mean they think that it will NEVER be as good or better, or that such a time is so far in the future that they should not be trying to bring it about.

Re:No "Wha?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564486)

Reg Hat has never once said that they don't believe the corporate/business desktop. Hence the whole Red Hat Enterprise WS.

Red Hat's just saying that Linux isn't ready for the *Home* market, which is completely different. And you can bet your ass that Sun and Novell aren't putting any money into making Linux ready for the *home* market either.

The obtuseness of all the Linux fanatics continues to baffle me. I mean, even if they think that Linux is ready for all the digital cameras and music playing and games and Quicken that home users want (which it obviously isn't, but that's a whole other argument), they could at at least put in the modicum of effort required to *understand* the difference between corporate desktops and home desktops.

My 2 cents...(that's 2.6 cents US) (1, Informative)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564362)

This is a Good Thing(tm). I've tried KDE, and just wasn't satisfied. My system runs so much faster now - I haven't had a Sig11 for some time now. Dropline Gnome on Slackware just rocks.

Plus, with everyone working on ONE desktop - watch it take off...(can I have my cancel button on the RIGHT please?)

Re:My 2 cents...(that's 2.6 cents US) (2, Informative)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564415)

That's hilarious. I was going to title this post "Informative Troll". I should have - looking at the mods slapped on it already. I wasn't trolling - honest.

Re:My 2 cents...(that's 2.6 cents US) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564453)

I think it's because speed is such a subjective thing. On my p3 500, I've noticed the following:

GNOME apps load much faster than KDE apps
KDE apps perform much faster than GNOME apps (things like file browsing, window resizing, opening dialogs, etc..)

So which one is faster? i dunno.

I generally stay away from GNOME and KDE apps though. I tend to use pure-gtk and pure-qt apps. I use xmms (pure gtk), mozillafirebird (pure gtk), scribus (pure qt), and the occaisional kde/gnome app (especially k3b). Most of other apps, like aterm, OpenOffice, and my window manager, fluxbox, doesn't use either kde or gnome, or qt or gtk.

The Proven Track (1)

oldstrat (87076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564398)


PC-DOS, then MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows first moved into the corperate environment and from that position into the homes.

Adoption at home came from work to allow the user a chance to do work at home and maybe get an edge on the co-worker who was running a 'home computer' rather than a PC.

Red Hat is only marginally wrong in saying Linux isn't ready for the home, but the problem really isn't in Linux, it's in the workplace.
Once the workplace reaches critical adoption the migration to home will be a natural move and Linux will be the primary target for Virus writers, not WinBlows.

It's the only way to win... (2, Interesting)

papasui (567265) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564410)

I firmly believe that the only way Linux will make it's way to the masses that would normally use Windows or Mac is for the desktop to be unified. They need an interface that everyone else will know when they need help, not one that looks different.

Linux is Dangerous (2, Funny)

tonyz2k (178027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564422)

The biggest problem I see with Linux on the desktop is there are too many hardcore hackers working with it. I wrote a report on this for my history class, for our section on technology. We learned about this guy, Kevin Mitnick, and he pretty much took over the internet singlehandely. He also bought a Ferrari with some money he stole from AOL users, by "fishing" peoples accounts. If not for the underground lawbreakage that is possible with this Operating System (OS), the Internet (and also the Intranet) would be much safer. There are heaps of people trying to steal our Ebay & Paypal now thanks to Linux. I don't like Microsoft any more tha next dude but is not the answer.

It's all about KDE (1)

bahamat (187909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564433)

Does this mean that SuSE will stop being one of the best KDE distros out there and follow the way of the Gnome?

One can only hope!
<disclaimer>
I don't actually use GNOME or KDE, I use WindowMaker . This post is not to be read by the humor impaired. By reading this post you agree to laugh. If you do not agree to the End User Reading Obligation (EURO) please return it to the manufactuer so that he may laugh at you.
</disclaimer>

Not Really That Interesting (0)

sneeu (657021) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564451)

Sorry kids, but it's not as exciting as it looks, Sun recently put out their Java Desktop, obviously Novell have SuSE and Ximian and RedHat have been doing this for years.

Now wouldn't it be nice if the three partnered up and made a super-Windows Killer?

s.

This is a good thing$200 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7564461)

Yeah, you might be upset about it if you use KDE, but look at it this, it is too expensive to be supporting multiple DEs. They also have to pick one, so it's either KDE, or GNOME, and Qt has this nice $2000.00 per developer licensing issue, so it's obvious which one cuts down in cost. GNOME.

Understanding the corporate customer (3, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564497)

Success in this field depends on understanding the customer not on understanding the technology.

For that reason, my money is on Novell making it on the desktop because they have a good understanding of deploying desktop/corporate systems. Sun and RH are more server folks. Maybe they can collaborate in some way?

IMHO.

if Suse Drops KDE (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7564498)

as the main supported DE, all I haev to say is GOOD.

well, not if you like KDE, but I think that Gnome 2.4 provideds a great Desktop experience and the plans for 2.6 will make it excelent.

KDE has a lot of nice features and such, but the integration is not there as it is in Gnome. KDE does not have the streamlined feel of Gnome.
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