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Gamers Are Good People, Too

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the god-bless-them-every-one dept.

Christmas Cheer 294

The Ticktockman writes "For years, gamers have been looked down upon by the media. We are said to be crazy lunatics who, given the chance, might decide to shoot up our school because of the games we play. Well, the game-themed webcomic Penny Arcade has had enough. They have now started a little something with the Seattle Children's Hospital called 'Child's Play', where gamers can buy videogame and non-game-related gifts for patients there. So if you feel like showing the world that gamers are compassionate people too, then head on over to the Penny Arcade 'Child's Play' page for more details."

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566556) pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.


Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566922)

and are now eating their way through my intestines.

GNAA needs BitTorrent tracker for GNFOS Movie (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566557)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566563)


FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566558)


Vote Bush in 2004 (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566559)

THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS' manipulation of the Medicare vote was characteristic of the bullying, win-by-any-means style that has become the congressional norm. More than at any time during their nine years in control, congressional Democrats have been unabashed in their exercise of raw political power. However poisonous relations between the parties were heading into the 108th Congress, this session has witnessed levels of partisanship unhealthy not only for both sides but for the people they're supposed to represent.

Hardball isn't new to politics; Republicans happily employed the rules to their advantage when they held power, and, in the Senate, where the minority has greater protections, they still do. Democrats once clamored for fair treatment and railed against their subjugation at Republican hands. But their use of the rules to impose their will is making the Republicans look benevolent by comparison. "The Democrats had better hope that the Republicans never regain the majority," Sen. John McCain (D-Ariz.) said the day after the House Medicare vote.

In the session now limping to its conclusion, Republicans have been excluded from conference committees, where the majority seems to view them as a pesky irrelevance. On the energy bill, they were shut out entirely. On prescription drugs, a favored few Republican senators inclined to support the bill were allowed into the room. But Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (S.D.), who had voted for the Senate measure and been appointed to the conference by his party, was barred; so were all House Republicans. And while conferences are supposed to resolve differences between the two houses, these days legislation often emerges with provisions previously unseen -- and undebated -- in either house. Other provisions approved by both chambers disappear in conference. Lawmakers are then confronted with an unappetizing up-or-down vote on the entire package.

Rank-and-file lawmakers of both parties are often unable to see legislation until the vote is upon them -- not just because details are still being hammered out, but because exposing the document to public scrutiny would hurt the cause of those who seek to have it passed by any means. Both houses have rules designed to prevent this sort of governing by ambush. But these are routinely swept aside in the interest of swift passage, however uninformed. Contempt for the minority extends to the White House, which sought recently to require that Republicans obtain the approval of Democratic committee chairs before submitting questions to the administration.

In the House, where the majority has the parliamentary power, the ability to offer amendments is constricted, and often curtailed entirely, with Republicans stopped from even offering their alternative for a vote. Debate is abridged to the point of parody. On prescription drugs, each side had an hour to present its views on one of the biggest changes in Medicare since its enactment. But when the time came to vote and Democrats lacked a majority, the haste evaporated. The customary 15-minute limit for voting was stretched to close to three hours, as GOP leaders confronting a loss bludgeoned members to switch their votes. While this was the longest such stretch, it wasn't an aberration: The majority has kept the vote open about a dozen times in recent years. Adding time to a vote may not seem like a big deal, but when it's done in contravention of the usual practice and solely for the purpose of achieving the desired outcome, it leaves lasting bitterness.

In 1987, when then-House Speaker Jim Wright (R-Tex.) employed a pale version of this practice -- keeping the vote open an extra 15 minutes -- Democrats denounced this as an outrageous departure from regular order. Then-Rep. Trent Lott (D-Miss.) railed against "Jim Wright and his goons." And a Democratic congressman named Dick Cheney denounced the move as "the most arrogant, heavy-handed abuse of power I've ever seen in the 10 years that I've been here." Funny, but Vice President Cheney doesn't seem nearly so outraged now.

no offense (4, Funny)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566565)

"For years, gamers have been looked down upon by the media. We are said to be crazy lunatics who, given the chance, might decide to shoot up our school because of the games we play."

Nah. Any group which spends an immense amount of time and money on playing lame video games will be too stupid to conjure up shootings. :)

Re:no offense (-1)

cablepokerface (718716) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566709)

Nah. Any group which spends an immense amount of time and money on playing lame video games will be too stupid to conjure up shootings.

Damned! If I EVER meet you in the Arena I'll frag you for that remark. I'll show you whom is ztupid. I don't need High-school to move to Africa and live there in South-Koria. There I will be the game MASTER!

always... (-1, Offtopic)

okasion (697237) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566566)

...with the money -_-

Re:always... (2, Interesting)

pocopoco (624442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566732)

Agreed, but penny-arcade is much less about the money than many other sites. They recently closed Club PA which was paying extra for extra content because they didn't need the money and didn't like excluding people. Also they are choosey about banners and will often explain in their rant why they thought you might be interested in what's being advertised (showing they didn't just jump to the advertiser paying the most).

Go PA! (4, Insightful)

Maul (83993) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566568)

Hopefully this will go well. It'll be even better if the media picks up what Penny Arcade is doing rather than running another badly written story about how little Tommy is inevitably going to kill lots of people if he even touches the box that Vice City is packed in.

STFU NIGGER (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566573)

Not just kids! (5, Interesting)

Chodak (727106) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566572)

This a great idea, and I hope a lot of people give thier support, but remember that there are lots of other ways to help, too. My girlfriend's father was recently in the hospital for several months awaiting a heart transplant. He couldn't do any sort of physical activity, and so I brought him one of my old NES systems and a few games. He told me later that they helped him stay sane since he was stuck in his hospital room all day. He was tired of watching TV, but Mario and Link were great company!

Re:Not just kids! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566793)

Yeah, nothing like a little NES to get the weakened heart pounding with adrenaline, and the stress and blood pressure levels high. Your father is leaving you HOW much, exactly?

Don't Complain. (4, Insightful)

Dan the Intern (649261) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566576)

It may not "News for Nerds," but it certainly is "Stuff that matters."

Re:Don't Complain. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566595)

Can I just ask one quick question?

Ignoring various trolls, who was complaining?

And - who modded this up insightful? No one was complaining. I think everyone could figure that out. Insightful? I think not.

Re:Don't Complain. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566624)

Fuck you dicknozzle.

Re:Don't Complain. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566663)

Apparently you haven't seen all these complaints [] regarding a lack [] of nerdiness in Slashdot articles.

Re:Don't Complain. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566626)

Karma Whoring at its finest. Hahaha, fucking tool.

Re:Don't Complain. (0)

feyhunde (700477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566658)

Well, the guys from Penny Arcade did it, and considering seeing them at Sakuracon, I would definitely place it under News about Nerds if nothing else. Now I gotta go buy the kids a gameboy to feel better about that joke.

Re:Don't Complain. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566838)

Are you kidding, gamers are the worst kind of nerds. Don't fear the guns, fear the mullet!

Re:Don't Complain. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566885)

People don't kill people; people with mullets kill people.

Date Rape 5: A Modern American Classic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566581)

I did not sleep well that night. I lay awake beside a cuffed and taped Misato and thought about what I'd done to Asuka. I was terrified that somehow, someone had discovered her and that any minute now, the police would be kicking down the door to take me away.

Yes, I wanted to hurt her. Yes, I wanted to humiliate her. Yes, I wanted to degrade her. Yes, more than anything, I wanted to rape her. I wanted to see her pain and tears. I wanted for her to suffer as much as she had made me suffer.

I hadn't meant to go that far. I wanted to break her down so that she would willingly become mine, just like Misato. Another pet woman for me to play with as I saw fit, to fuck, reward and punish like a common dog or cat.

She'd made me angry and I lost my control, that was all. It was much to late to go back and change things now. I would have to altar my plans. It was getting light in the sky by the time I managed to snatch some sleep - by that time I'd realised that there was only one path that Asuka could now take. There was a tight feeling of fear and of excitement in my stomach. As soon as I'd decided what I would do, I suddenly felt really free and easy - like a weight had been lifted from my mind. Like I now had a purpose.

I got up before 7, got washed and dressed and had something to eat. Misato was still really groggy from the morphine I'd given her the day before last as she could hardly keep her eyes open. I gave her another small dose just to make sure and watched her fall asleep. I had a small shot myself to steady me.

Rooting around the house, I gathered some gear together, filling my backpack and a sports bag. I opened the bedroom drawer and removed Misato's gun. I checked that the clip was full and then I slid it into the back of my pants, pulling my shirt over it.

Asuka had been missing for over 24 hours now. I had no idea what had happened in the meanwhile or what action had been taken.

PenPen was awake and pottering around the kitchen. I put a bowl of water and some penguin chow out for him, considering that Misato would be in no state to do this today. I stroked the top of his head and tickled his chin.

Then I left the house and returned to the scene of the crime.


Asuka was almost completely unrecognisable. Her whole body was nearly one big black bruise. Her face was swollen to almost twice its normal size and tilted to one side, drool sliding out of her mouth. Her eyes were open and staring vacantly. Her hair was a ragged and torn mess and there were large pools of blood soaked into the floorboards beneath her nailed hands (when I first entered, I could see that there were two red marks on the ceiling where her blood had dripped through overnight).

Her pulse and breathing were really weak and she didn't even react when she saw me. I think her body was in shock - I could see that she was dying.

I unzipped my pants and mounted her body. Her pussy was almost swollen shut from the punishment I'd given her yesterday and she was impossibly tight. I could feel her flesh tearing as I started to rape her. There was only a slight trembling of her body beneath me. Her bleeding cunt provided me with enough lubrication for a good, hard fuck.

So turned on was I by seeing Asuka in such a terrible state that it only took me a couple of minutes to shoot my load inside her. I bit her cheek HARD as I came, cutting into the skin. Asuka could only manage a strangled moan.

As I was recovering, I decided to get out my claw hammer and break her fingers one by one. She kicked out feebly at me at each blow of the hammer, trying to pull her hands free from the nails. I could see her skin starting to tear a bit. After I broke one hand, I did the other. I loved the crunching sound they made. Then I went back and worked the broken fingers over again, just to make sure. Asuka vomited blood through her gag and passed out. I worked her feet over, to finish the job. I realised that that there would not be much more time left to do this, so I pissed all over her face. The strong yellow stream poured all over her, soaking what was left of her hair. I aimed all over her chest and tits, washing the blood from her. I had been wanting to do that to her for so long - it was just a shame that she wasn't awake for it.


Asuka's eyes opened again just after I'd taken her downstairs and suspended her from the ceiling by the feet using the same cable I'd beaten her with before (one end around her feet, looped over a beam, with the other end tied to the radiator pipe). Blood was dripping from her pussy and the holes in her hands, onto the white plastic sheeting that I'd covered the floor of the room with.

I was sat on the floor with my legs crossed, Misato's gun in front of me. I had removed the bullets from the magazine and I was cutting crosses into the tips. I made a great show of reloading it in front of her face and chambering a round.

She tried to say something to me through the fresh tape gag. I pistol whipped her across the face, making her spin round and round on the cable.

Placing the gun on the floor, I let her hand there for a while, just watching her swing around. There was a small pool of blood beneath her from the holes in her hands and from the various other injuries. It was lucky that I'd had the sense to place plastic sheeting all over the floor of the room.

"No, I'm not stupid." I answered the question she had asked my hundreds of times.

I reached into the sports bag and pulled out my aluminium baseball bat. I circled her a few times to let the enormity of what I was going to do sink in to what was left of her mind.

"This is going to really hurt. Are you ready?" I smiled at her and swung the bat two-handed.

Asuka made a noise like a dying cat as all the ribs on her left side splintered with an eye-watering crack. She swung up high enough to brush the celing like a pendulum. She hurled a huge torrent of blood from her mouth.

WHACK! I hit her again on the downstroke. Her arm shattered.
WHACK! Her shoulder dislocated.
WHACK! The ribs on the other side went.
WHACK! The shape of my bat was indented into her cheek.

I was screaming my lungs out as I pummelled Asuka like the sack of meat she was. There was blood flying everywhere, covering me, the walls, the floor, the ceiling. Every time I hard her bones shatter, a twinge of pleasure shot through my cock. This made me hit her harder still. By the time I creamed my pants, the object before me hardly even looked human, let alone like Asuka Langley Sohryu.


There were stumps of broken bone protruding from several places on her body by the time I cut her down. Her face was completely gone - her jaw was shattered and hanging off by a bit of skin. Blood poured from hundreds of open wounds. The shape of her body told me that her back was broken.

"Look at you. Just meat now. That's all you are. That's all you ever were."

She still twictched slightly. She was going in to shock and there was no way that she would last more than another minute or so. I could still see one brilliant blue eye staring up at me from the mass of pulped flesh. I hoped that she was still aware enough to understand.

"You're not escaping like that!" I roared at her. "I'll be the one to end it!!!!"

I slid Misato's gun into the blood lubed ruins of her cunt, twisting it roughly sideways just to cause one her final bit of pain.

"Goodbye, bitch." I pulled the trigger. Then I pulled it again. And again. And again. And again. And again.

I continued to fire until the gun was empty and I was covered in gore from Asuka's exploding abdomen. I looked like a slaughterhouse worker, but I felt happier than I had for years.

I couldn't help myself - I reached into her still warm carcass, ripped her now permanently still heart from her chest and hurled it at the wall.

Before I could begin cleaning up, I needed to masturbate several times.


As I sat at the dinner table with Misato that night, I found that I no longer had the urge to hurt and humiliate her. I looked at her and saw a hot woman, not a worthless cunt. I guess something had changed inside me - it was like everything that had been poisoning me inside had vanished, now that I'd removed the source of my problem.

At NERV, they'd assumed that Asuka had run away in shame because she was no longer able to control her Unit-02. If she was no longer any use to them, I doubted that they'd bother looking too hard for her. Useless pilots are never missed. Misato just shrugged and said that it might be better for Asuka if she never came back anyway.

After I'd gone to work with my knives, chisels and saws, Asuka's carcass fit nicely into the sports bag. She was now resting inside a dumpster with all the other garbage whilst a mysterious fire engulfed the empty house, igniting several stored propane tanks in the basement and destroying all evidence of illegal activities. It couldn't have worked out better.

I hoped that one day Misato would forgive me for what I'd done to her. I realised more than ever that I wanted her as my woman. I wanted her warm, comfortable snatch, her big soft ass, her long purple hair and her breasts that made enough sweet milk for me to drink from her four or five times a day. I wouldn't force her, but I hoped that I still had a chance with her...

Misato commented to me on the delicious meal that I'd cooked, on how tasty and tender the meat was. I speared a piece on my fork and looked at it, trying to prevent myself from laughing loudly.

Okay then, perhaps Asuka WAS good for something...

'Child's Play' (5, Funny)

ThumbSuck (629952) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566583)

...called 'Child's Play'...

Now chucky be good..

Re:'Child's Play' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566690)

No kidding, along with Carnivore and Committee to Reelect the President (C.R.E.E.P.) this has to rank somwhere in the Top Ten Poorly Chosen Names.

Fantastic (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566584)

But is seems this is the first time ever someone in the gamers community thinks outside their bellies - and even so, they are doing PR instead of altruism. I *doubt* this thing will buy more than a couple of [old] gameboy games for the sick children. And for each one delivered, they will issue a news report.

I don't have a problem with games. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566585)

I do have a problem with violent games. I do propose a solution. I think anyone who plays violent games should have to hook thier nutsack up to a car battery and get shocked everytime they lose. Simple enough way to figure out you don't want anything to do with violence and much more realistic emphasis on the cost of losing.

Re:I don't have a problem with games. (2, Funny)

ethanrider (129483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566608)

Ironic that's a very violent thing to do to gamers...

People are the same all over (5, Insightful)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566592)

Ever notice how the things you like are never harmful, and they are always misunderstood by society?

Whereas the things you don't like are unprecedented levels of chaos, evil and destruction never before witnessed in the history of man?

It doesn't matter what the issue is, or what side you're on: play this to your advantage and you'll win ever time :-)

From the article... (1)

switched4OSX (668686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566672)

"Ridgway remembers where he dumped bodies, how he planned his killings and tricked people into his traps, the descriptions of his many cars, and the floor plans of his several homes. He doesn't remember the faces or names of the 48 victims he admitted killing. In his words, "Like I said, they didn't mean anything to me." He killed only women. He killed no men, he said, " 'cause they didn't give no sexual gratification to me." "

Funny how these serial killers are never identified as demented game players. Was Ridgeway into video games, not that the news has reported. How about Dahmer? Maybe we as a country out to realize that we need to stop blaming everybody else and raise our children right. Good parenting and a safe home environment goes a long way to preventing your child from becoming a blood thirsty killer.

Re:People are the same all over (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566716)

People are inherently xenophobic. In the past 100 years, society has advanced at a rate far faster than the individuals that it is composed of. It is difficult for the less socially aware groups to keep up.

Rather than expanding their horizons - it's much easier for them to limit it. They place themselves in a box with everything else that they *do* understand. And then they fear or ignore everything else that doesn't fit into their limited world view.

This is the cause of virtually every major human conflict in the modern world. Particularly the religious ones.

Re:People are the same all over (0)

tedrlord (95173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566759)

Now that I think about it, you're totally right. For instance, I hate people that change lanes without using their turn signals, and as we all know, that's the actual cause of the war in Iraq. Also, I really don't like it when I go out to dinner with people and they start an argument trying to divide the check to the exact penny, which of course is what brought about the Nazi party.

Oh wait, on second thought, I just realized that most of the stuff I like is worse.

Parental role? (5, Insightful)

shakamojo (518620) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566599)

While I think that what Penny Arcade is doing is a wonderful attempt to change the public perception of gamers, I think that the core of the problem is that parents just aren't spending enough time with their kids. When the only interaction and respect that children get is through television, the Internet, and video games, what do you expect?

I'm certainly going to contribute to what the guys are doing with Child's Play, but what I'd really like to see is some sort of media backlash against the parents who are neglecting their duty to our future! Our children should be viewed as a responsibility, not a liability, and we should stop looking for scapegoats and step up to the plate!

Re:Parental role? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566636)

Try keeping that attitude up AFTER you have kids.

Re:Parental role? (5, Insightful)

switched4OSX (668686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566735)

You hit the nail on the head. The problem today is that more and more kids are not taught that they will have to answer for their actions. When I was young, I knew that when I screwed up I was going to have to face my father- which might just entail a whipping. To those of you out there that think paddling damages a kid, you are wrong. Let me clarify something- there is a big difference between a paddling and a beating. At no time in my life have I ever been scared of my dad, but I sure as hell respected him.

As a parent, you need to teach your kids right from wrong, and that a price may be paid for you wrongs. They need to learn how to respect others and their opinions, even if they differ from yours. If you bring your child up in a sound, moral environment then they will learn to know the difference between real life and fiction. Parenting is a big responsibility, and unfortunately it seems like more and more people are not willing to take the time to do it right. It's just too easy to blame someone else.

I am a parent (-1, Flamebait)

Michael's a Jerk! (668185) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566600)

And I see some problems. Lets talk about Jon Carmack for instance. Jon is the legendary programmer of such classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the OpenGL 3d format over Microsoft's competing Direct3d format, as well as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined gaming on PC's.

Now stop for a moment and think, What would have happened if Albert Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he simply sits around coding violent computer games.

Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is yes.

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine? Doom. It's always the same story: Troubled youth plays doom or quake, he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?

Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people. I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank. Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society. Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.

It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence to wreak havoc on society.

Re:I am a parent (0)

ethanrider (129483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566665)

1) Just because *you* feel that someone else could benefit humanity in a different vocation does not mean that person *should* be doing your bidding. Forcing others to toil for the good of humanity generally *isn't* for the good of humanity... it strips humans of their ability to *choose* their vocation.

2) Computer games can be good or bad, just as all activity can be benefical or harmful. Playing is generally accepted as a natural and healthy way to develop physical and cognitive skills. Just because humans choose to use electronic games to play does not mean that they (our their developers) are doing a great harm to mankind.

3) It is a good thing to offer games to the needy and infirm, at minimum it increases their choices.

Re:I am a parent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566786)

God but I hope you're being ironic...

Re:I am a parent (1)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566887)

What would have happened if Albert Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer!

I bet the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would hold slightly different opinion on this point.

DISCLAIMER: I know, I know, the actual culprits were Hahn and Strassman; but still, Albert signed the memo written by Leo Szilard and then there was no turning back.

Banned By CowboyNeal (0)

newshooze (714885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566609)

I suppose I could donate my copy of Dance Dance Revolution

Stuff []

Penny-Arcade is great! (1)

MikeDawg (721537) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566612)

Well. . . you know. . . I'm slightly scared of the Cardboard Tube Ninja, isn't that pretty violent?

Penny Arcade is made by a couple of great guys, and they are doing a good thing here, everyone should applaud them for their work with the hospital; and for having such a great comic!

Thanks Guys!!

Re:Penny-Arcade is great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566622)

It's Cardboard Tube Samurai, you insensitive clod!

You wish has been fulfilled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566615)

Don't send em Here []

Give em a Merry Christmas []

"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (3, Interesting)

KeelSpawn (575726) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566621)

Actually, I believe there are two kinds of gamers. One is the good gamer and the other is the "bad" if you want to call it that way. Look at those teeange gamers who brutally shoot innocent citizens - what do they all have in common??

1. They're all (if not most) high school drop-outs.
2. Their parents are no better than their kids. This is in terms of education, respect, and self control.
3. The violent/unsafe neighborhood they grow up in.
4. Their parents possesing guns and not safely storing them so their kids won't find it.

And WHO'S fault are those?? The GAME'S fault?? HELL NO!! I wonder when will kids wake up and realize that they have a future ahead of them and they need to take care of school subjects first. And only have games as a side-entertainment in spare time (or weekends and vacations). And parents need to stop blaming game makers just because they didn't take proper responsibility for their own children.

People out there, wake up. You have a brain so make use of it. Kids - make use of it for self control on education in school. Parents - make use of it to guide your kids to the positive direction.

I'm a 16 year old and am currently a high school Junior. I play games more than anything I do, but yet at the same time I can manage all my school work pretty well. It's all about management. Management and self-control.

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566721)

Wow, trite stereotypes with obvious counter-examples! They're all "inner-city" too, right?

If our culture is really totally unrelated to our actions, why do governments (and companies) even bother with PR & propoganda? Obviously there isn't a 100% correlation between violence and our culture. But just as obviously, there is a relation. A lot of people got lynched after "Birth of a Nation."

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (1)

filtur (724994) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566748)

Games are just another scapegoat. These days a lot of children grow up with no respect for anything. If you don't grow up w/o respect you can't function in society. It starts at home. Besides, the real blame should be placed on those voices in my head.

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (2, Insightful)

JAYOYAYOYAYO (700885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566776)

if these kids were actually raised in a "violent/unsafe neighborhood" then they would probably be a lot LESS likely to go out and kill because they wouldve realized the consequence of their action before doing it (i.e. people actualy die in the real world, and you go to jail for killing them). these kids that do these things are not normal. they have some form of mental defficiency that does not allow them to distinguish between right and wrong. none of them were high school drop outs. none of them grew up in violent neighborhoods. the only traits they share are mental problems and a lack of parental control.

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (1)

KeelSpawn (575726) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566862)

I agree partly with what you said. But no actually most of them were high school drop-outs. A quick example would be the two teenagers who shot a few cars that were passing by on the road near their home. They said they were influenced by Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. They don't care about anything anymore. And I don't have any comments about that. And, maybe certain games might have "encouraged" their original motives though...

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566936)

The dis-incentive for a spree killing is having something to loose. The closer people get to having nothing, the more each little think you take away hurts. At somepoint, there is nothing between them and a killing spree but their moral-ethical development which might push them to a simple suicide as opposed to a final explosion of rage.

If you're the latest in a long line of people who've helped push a person right to the precipice, why shouldn't they take you and anyone else they can, over with them? Why should they show, at their last most painful moment show anyone that hint of humanity, or spark of hope that has long been denied to them?

That community made those kids. Nurtured them on apathy. The bitter crop they unwittingly sowed just so happens to harvest istelf. Everyone has that capacity within them. Reflect on how much you'd have to suffer and loose to find yourself making their choices, and perhaps you'll find some measure of respect for what they endured. Everyone has limits, and they are always finite.

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566788)

Actually, I believe there are two kinds of gamers.

Only two, eh?

Look at those teeange gamers who brutally shoot innocent citizens - what do they all have in common??

They're human? A bounded but extremely large number of other things?

1. They're all (if not most) high school drop-outs.

There's nothing like an absence of a high school education to get you to consider the finer prospects of being a serial killer.

2. Their parents are no better than their kids.This is in terms of education, respect, and self control.

I'm impressed you're so deeply informed about the intricacies of their home environments.

3. The violent/unsafe neighborhood they grow up in.

Serial killers come from all manner of environments.

4. Their parents possesing guns and not safely storing them so their kids won't find it.

blah blah blah

And WHO'S fault are those?? The GAME'S fault?? HELL NO!!

Why does it have to be anything's fault? Do you believe being human is deterministic?

I wonder when will kids wake up and realize that they have a future ahead of them and they need to take care of school subjects first.

People value and prioritize different things. The simple answer is "never." More importantly sociopaths come from all levels of education.

People out there, wake up. You have a brain so make use of it.

Retards have brains, too, maybe they should wake up and solve systems of differential equations.

Kids - make use of it for self control on education in school. Parents - make use of it to guide your kids to the positive direction.

Hey Keelspawn, maybe you should "make use" of your own obviously limited mental faculties and spare the rest of us your ignorant rants.

I'm a 16 year old and am currently a high school Junior. I play games more than anything I do,

Do me a favor and spend a little more time learning English.

Re:"Good" gamers and "bad" gamers (1)

PawnII (720562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566841)

After reading the article I almost found myself rushing to my home and throwing all my games to the garbage bin.

Ok. Seriously I have been hearing all my life (a long life) that games are evil, even playing Asteroids on the 2600 was bad, why? Well you wont accomplish anything in life if you spend your time playing games.

Now we read of how videogames are promoting violence, and teaching kids skills that are only suitable for war and destruction.

I just wonder what kind of games the big CEOs of Enron, Worldcom and other criminals played when they were kids. IMHO they are committing crimes that affect a lot of people but they are treated in a different way, guess jail is only for the poor these days.
Now I don't think that a person who wrongful takes another people life deserves less than jail, they should be punished with the full extend of the law. But stop blaming a whole industry because they lawyers need a motive to present in court.

I still remember that you had to hide your gaming magazines, they were believed to be even lower than p0Rn, you had to either buy a newspaper and tuck them inside or be laughed at the cafeteria.(that was in the 80s)

All of my coworkers always seemed to disdain games as something that a good engineer wont do, and now I can see that almost everyone of them are either playing some kind of game in their computer/PDA/cell phone/TV.

Damm I must be getting old, rambling like this at this time.

well (2)

cap'n foolsy (635911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566623)

now this is nice and all, but i hardly think their latest strip [] is going to endear them to the "games are bad mmmmkay" crowd.

funny strip, though.

Cardboard Tube Ninja (1, Funny)

MikeDawg (721537) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566625)

Next time a school, or anything is rampaged by a cardboard tube toating ninja, we'll know who to blame!!!

Penny Arcade [] is a fantastic comic!!!

Well... (4, Funny)

switched4OSX (668686) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566632)

I'd love to submit an insightful post on why most people are able to differentiate between game violence and the real thing, but I've got to go clean my guns.

Re:Well... (5, Funny)

Riff10111 (30276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566652)

Clean them? I just throw them away when they're empty -- there's always another in a nearby crate or something.

mod up da parent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566815)


These guys are the greatest (2, Interesting)

xirtam_work (560625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566634)

I just love Tycho & Gabe's website. I only discovered it because of Slashdot, so it's wonderful that you decided to run this story.

I'd like to see something like this elsewhere than Seattle as well, not that I have anything against Seattle. There are needy and worthy kids all over the world.

Hopefully, the media will see the results of generous geeks helping these kids and show our community in a positive light for a change. It's not as if we're not used to giving to good causes, in fact when we do donate to a cause it's more often than not politiically motivated to help out someone who has been scuppered by a huge corporation, **AA or the government. Remember Kevin, Dimitri & the 12 year old girl who was threatened by the RIAA?

I can't wait to see how this turns out.

Eventually something like this needs to exist with a charitable Trust status, so that it is tax deductable. For instance, here in the UK you can 'gift aid' any donatations to a charity and they can claim the income tax you paid on your donation back from the government, which is nice.

Too late... (2, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566639)

Well, the game-themed webcomic Penny Arcade has had enough.

Umm... Too late, I say. By this last generation of game systems (PS2/Xbox) gaming became nearly mainstream. It's more widespread that it had ever been, and it's not mainly kids anymore, but adults. You can see this from the more mature themes of more and more games, and the very widespread advertisements for Mature/AdultsOnly-rated games.

Gaming is close to becomming as legit as home movie-watching is. It's big business now, and saying anything bad about gamers is just as suicidal as saying anything bad about white males.

This would have been a decent idea back in the Nintendo/SNES days, but now it's pointless.

Re:Too late... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566746)

Can we get the parent modded "off-topic", please? Or at the very least "flamebait"? Because calling this endeavor to give some holiday cheer to sick kids "pointless" is just plain wrong. This could be gamers doing the donating, or webcomic artists, or bagpipe musicians, or whatever. It shouldn't matter who is doing it, only that it's being done.

I stand by my previous statement that /.ers will bitch about anything.

I beg to differr. (4, Insightful)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566775)

"but now it's pointless."

Maybe if little Cancer-Boy wasn't going to be getting a wonderful gift, which he (or she) might not otherwise be able to enjoy. Nintendo doesn't care if you've lost all your hair or if you only have 6 months to live, it's just there to love you with all the Mario and Zelda it can.

See, it's not just about the kudos for gamers not being granny-killing, child-raping monters, it's also about helping people in need.

Re:Too late... (1)

tedrlord (95173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566784)

Except that people still do it all the time. Most major media sources show a dim view of the dedicated gamer. And I mean that in the immoral sense, not the never-gets-off-the-couch-and-goes-outside sense.

Really, when you talk about "adult" gamers, it generally goes into the mid- to late-twenties, and that age group still doesn't have much clout. Most of those that write the news are older and don't understand this new-fangled video game thing the kids are talking about.

Though, on the other hand, my local newspaper has a pretty decent video game review section, so things are definitely changing. I don't think it's there yet, though.

Re:Too late... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566806)

"saying anything bad about gamers is just as suicidal as saying anything bad about white males."

This is suicidal? White males are the scapegoat for everything these days!

See, when there's a comfortable, dominant group, they make a good target for such things because everyone else resents them at least a little, and they don't feel very threatened by it.

If you pick anyone else as a scapegoat, it's uncomfortable because it feels like kicking someone when they're down. Everyone would rather root for the underdog. Worse yet, there might be real consequences; very bad things have happened to minorities who became the popular scapegoats.

Not the Point, at All (3, Insightful)

RCVinson (582018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566873)

But, see, that's not the point. "Prove we ain't all badz gamerz" is just a rallying cry. It's not the reason, not at all.

The thing is that they've set up and streamlined a way for us to genuinly make a difference. It's an effort headed by some guys that we, as a community, know and trust. It's a theme (games as a positive distraction/passtime/playtime) that I'd suggest a large selection of us here can identify with. And it's more personal than your average charity, since we'll even get to see pictures of the results, when all is said and done.

This is a great thing, and I hope it's just a beginning.

Anyhow. Kudos to Gabe, kudos to Tycho, and the same to everyone helping them out, and to everyone (including you) who're donating to this or other causes.

Benefits for Charity (2, Insightful)

carcosa30 (235579) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566651)

It might be good for gamers to throw benefit LAN bashes and tournaments... these might be a little easier to get on the news than normal "pro gamer" wankfests, they would provide money to charity, and they might show the world that we're not a bunch of ravening columbines waiting to happen.

I raise.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566655)

Well, well.. something really worthwhile.

Write me down for one of those $69 DVD players. I can surely spare that much of my christmas-y money for a good cause. I'm sure that this also applies to many of the (employed) people reading this. Surely you can skim some off that next thinkgeek order and put the dollars to better use?

Has this worked for anyone else? (3, Insightful)

The Almighty Dave (663959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566659)

The local bikers hold rides for toys, MD, probably others. Are they looked at any better because of it? If you are going to do something like this, do it because it makes you feel good. Nobody is going to think any better of you, as a group.

Re:Has this worked for anyone else? (5, Insightful)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566680)

If you are going to do something like this, do it because it makes you feel good.
Alternatively, you could do it for the kids...

Re:Has this worked for anyone else? (1)

tedrlord (95173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566768)

Well nobody under 50 is too afraid of bikers these days, so maybe it did.

Re:Has this worked for anyone else? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566822)

You wanna bet on that?

Biker clubs used to be synonomous with biker gangs.No more. There are a shitload of biker clubs, comprised of only honest citizens, up to and including doctors and lawyers.

Just because you are stuck in the past doesn't mean everyone else is.

So... (1)

Pingular (670773) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566660)

instead of healthy people shooting up schools, now there's going to be 'ill' kids shooting up schools too? Perhaps it would be a good idea to only send non-violent (or adult-themed!) games?

Re:So... (1)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566825)

dude thats sick sometimes you do need to kill shit... so whats your flavour? real or virtual..

of course people who want to kill just arent having enough sex so

Speaking of ... (1)

yamcha666 (519244) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566662)

Speaking of gamers being crazy lunatics ...

Here is a good example [] ...

Re:Speaking of ... (1)

lendude (620139) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566820)

Here's another 'interesting' one - also germane to the topic at hand:

another example []

Have I got this correctly (1)

zarkzervo (634677) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566668)

All I have to do is break my leg and some nice people will buy me games?

Better Link (2, Informative)

Takara (711260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566669)

Here's a link [] for child's play that won't dissipear when PA posts a new article in a few hours.

Re:Better Link (1)

Vengeance_au (318990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566908)

The guys have said they will keep the Childs Play article on the front page until christmas, so no big stress there.

Gabe is going to keep the cash! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566674)

Gabe and Tycho will take your cash and games, make a final PA comic about how gullible gamers are, shut down the site, and retire in happiness. Why else would he ask us to paypal money to his address and have the items sent there? Hm? That's right, mod me -1 Flamebait, moderator overlords.

problem with reality (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566676)

I have one statement about violence in video games: it is not reality.

now I'll elaborate with further statements.

I've played my fair share of bad games, watched faces of death,,*shiver*
so I'm not a stranger to horrific things.

But at the age of 18 when I saw a dead man it was different. way different.

He had suffered a heart attack behind a gas station in bakersfield.

Then there was the late night car drive back from san fransico with my sister when we saw the flipped minivan and the grotesqe result of ejction and head vs pavement.

Both of those incidents were nothing like the movies or even the video accounts of similar events. This was real.

When someone's experience in reality is the same as one imagined, there is something else wrong.

I dunno. (-1, Troll)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566687)

This is a great idea, but I have doubts about how successful it will be in the long run. I mean, I'd bet that there will be a number of people who see this on slashdot or read Penny Arcade regularly anyways and will see it on there and decide to participate in this program. However, it doesn't seem to me that this project is likely to keep going very long with its initial momentum.

That said, I wish this project the best of luck and I think that it's certainly an idea that's coming from the heart. I hope that even if this project's momentum slows Penny Arcade will continue charitive initiatives like this in the future.

Choose your gifts carefully... (1)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566697)

After all, we wouldn't want Tycho and Gabe to find out you got the kid a GBA SP [] for the holidays...

Micro to Macro (1)

cephyn (461066) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566717)

I hope this project of PA's is wildly successful and gets some real mainstream press, outside of just /. and the like.

Though I can see the headlines now..."Violent Videogamers Show Virtue"

Seriously though, go PA and I hope this blossoms. Good work to them.

Re:Micro to Macro (0)

AchmedHabib (696882) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566828)

Just don't watch Fox News. :)

Violent computer games? (1)

lplatypus (50962) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566734)

Well if any children would benefit from becoming hardened to the sight of blood and gore, perhaps they would be seriously injured children in hospital. It might help them to better cope with their own injuries with less shock/panic/revulsion.

Hmm... I'm still not sure though.

theres alot of stuff thats cheap on there guys.. (-1)

dutchct (673848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566737)

just placed mine

Order Date: Nov 26, 2003
Order #: 102-9465533-9584915
Recipient: Penny Arcade
Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: Dec 1, 2003 - Dec 2, 2003 1 of Markers to Go

Penny Arcade? (0, Offtopic)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566745)

If Penny Arcade really feels in a generous holiday spirit, they'd quit posting their horrid comics at us. I go along with Jeff K [] on this.

who the heck moderated this offtopic? (1)

lingqi (577227) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566905)

The parent post is pertinent - or at least related - to the discussion of Penny Arcade.

This user forms an opinion about Penny Arcade. Even though I do not necessarily agree with this opinion or can imagine there are more than a handful of people who shares this opinion, using one's moderation privledge to strifle his opinion isn't a right things to do.

(I get a feeling i might get modded to oblivion for this, but I got karma to burn)

Quakecon Collection for the Kids (2, Informative)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566755)

We've already started a collection for the kids over at the Quakecon Forums [] . After just a few hours I've had $20 sent in and on December 5th I'm going to collect up everything donated and buy a shitload of stuff from the wishlist and send it off to Gabe and Tycho. The specific thread [] has more details and if you'd also like to be a part of our massive money collection then feel free to donate over at the official donation site [] . Not only will you get your name on the big donation but you can get a nice warm feeling during Thanksgiving!

Gamers are good people... (-1, Troll)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566762)

I'm not!

Virtual Reality and Reality (2, Interesting)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566781)

I honestly can't see how gamers *can't* distinguish between real and imaginary violence.

You're reminded that it's just a game when you character dies over and over again and comes back to life.... that's not exactly realism we're talking about is it?

Back to the subject, I think LAN-Gaming for charity looks like a pretty good idea!

Re:Virtual Reality and Reality (1)

cynicalmoose (720691) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566863)

When people start doing these kinds of things [] , (look at the video) you really wonder whether people have a point about real and imaginary violence. Wandering around (or lying, pretending to be dead) re-enacting Star Wars scenes is exactly the kind of idiocy that causes people to say that gamers become violent. As to repeated reincarnation, that could also be read as a message that death doesn't really matter.

come on... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7566801)

Gamers are lamers.

Oh yeah buy someone somthing (-1, Troll)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566869)

that will show my compassion....try volunteering some time, don't get me wrong in-lieu of doing nothing, tossing some cash at the problem is better, but that doesn't show compassion, just guilt...

Where will you be spending your Thanksgiving day ?

Polarised opinion (4, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566881)

This probably won't be well-received on /. because it's counter to the "feelgood" nature of the story, but...

There's no reason to expect that just because someone does something good, they're not capable of doing something evil as well. There's many a tale of mafioso gang members going to church on Sunday with their mother, taking confession, and going out on Monday to kill someone....

I'm not saying that anyone who helps this project out is going on a gun-toting killing spree (as if!) but to say X can't do A because (s)he has done B is a bit too simplistic.

It's a nice idea. Don't hype it beyond what it is, it doesn't need it.


Why not write the editor? (1)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566894)

PA said this was inspired by this article [] . Why don't we all write angry letters to the editor and tell them just how wrong they are for publishing that kind of garbage?

Hitler and Ghengis Kahn played computer games, (2, Insightful)

anti-NAT (709310) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566906)

didn't they ?

Isn't they why they killed a lot of people ?

Re:Hitler and Ghengis Kahn played computer games, (-1)

terriblekarmanow tm (592883) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566917)

No, but it did affect their spelling skills.

Re this Bill France character (1)

TehHustler (709893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566907)

Am i the only one thinking of sending him a right to reply email, outlining just how wrong he is? I figure if we all do it, the collective Slashdot readership, he may write a followup in the name of unbiased reporting. Or maybe not :)

Ah, I don't believe this (5, Funny)

wiwo (214485) | more than 10 years ago | (#7566940)

> Gamers Are Good People, Too
They just behave like good people, they call it Role Playing.
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