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MPAA, RIAA Seek Permanent Antitrust Exemption

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the watch-people-blame-the-free-market dept.

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Devistater writes "Webcasters sued RIAA two months ago in an antitrust case for anti-competitive behavior. The response? An exemption from antitrust laws. Today's Register tells about RIAA/MPAA's efforts to get just such an exemption written into law. They could become permanently exempt from such a suit, if the bill passes. They snuck it into a bill sponsored by Orrin Hatch called EnFORCE Act (Enhancing Federal Obscenity Reporting and Copyright Enforcement Act of 2003). Orrin Hatch says this bill contains "First... an antitrust exemption in the Copyright Act [for] record companies and music publishers" Why? Because of 'market realities.' Which ones? The 12-year-old girl? The 15-year-old girl? Or the 66-year-old Grandma with a Mac?"

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Re:GNAA Seeks Trust With Your Anus (-1, Troll)

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'market realities' (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567937)


I wonder whether Mr. Hatch ever paused to consider that porn is a market reality as well...

WTF?!? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567946)

Unbelievable!

Inquiring minds want to know... (2, Interesting)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567947)

Exactly how much the RIAA pays off chumps like Orrin Hatch.
Must be nice having a senator in your pocket....

Re:Inquiring minds want to know... (5, Informative)

palutke (58340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568068)

According to Open Secrets [opensecrets.org] , a lot.

1997-1998 PAC Contributions [opensecrets.org]
1999-2000 PAC Contributions [opensecrets.org]
2003-2004 PAC Contributions [opensecrets.org]

Important to note:
1. there's no data available for 2001-2002 Cycle
2. The 2003-2004 is a running total

Re:Inquiring minds want to know... (-1, Troll)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568088)

Ooh.. nice democracy you've got going over there, everyobdy get their say. Leader of the free world, indeed!

Re:Inquiring minds want to know... (5, Informative)

plemeljr (250971) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568141)

Well, according to Open Secrets [opensecrets.org] , Hatch has raised $152,360 for his 2004 campaign from TV/Movies/Music industries. In the 2000 election, he raised $515,207 from the Communications/Electronics sectors.

Viacom and GE have given him over $14,000 each.

Re:Inquiring minds want to know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568146)

"I am a kernel in the linux army"

Greetings Kernel, i'm Colonel Ingus.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Perseid (660451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567954)

the mob is exempt from murder charges due to 'market realities'.

Re:In other news... (1)

Peyna (14792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568109)

RICO

Re:In other news... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568192)

SUAVE



It was there.

The Last Straw (1)

Robawesome (660673) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567955)

This is the last straw.

I'm buying a gun.

Who's with me?


Re:The Last Straw (1)

hatrisc (555862) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568011)

i'd say 'yes' but with the recent privacy laws which allows the FBI or CIA to cease any information from any organization might come back to haunt me.


just kidding, i hate guns.

now that the 2nd amendment's been brought up... (1)

airdrummer (547536) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568019)

it's time to bring it into the 21st century: the right to compile & run your own code on your own h/w;-)

Re:The Last Straw (1)

lynx_user_abroad (323975) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568103)

Who's with me?

For the record, I would never use a gun to kill SCO.

...and you can read that any way you want.

Re:The Last Straw (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568163)

Heh, way ahead of you, bub.

Jaysyn

Re:The Last Straw (0)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568166)

Gun? It would take a lot more than that to stop the RIAA or SCO or even my uncle Gerry. I'm going to buy an inconveniently large ground-to-ground missile system. Anybody got about half an acre they could donate for me to park it on?

Oh great... (5, Interesting)

bjb (3050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567959)

Imagine how this could permanently squeeze out anyone who isn't associated with the RIAA (indie labels, or just people making music on their own). Since the RIAA would be the only source, and given their power they could push everyone else around semi-legally, everyone would be forced to buy into their world. I guess this would ultimately mean that I couldn't webcast my own music, I wouldn't be able to sell my songs from my website without paying them, etc.

I have faith that SOMEONE in the government will see the absurdity of this request and will stop it before it gets too far.

Re:Oh great... (2, Insightful)

UberOogie (464002) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567982)

I have faith that SOMEONE in the government will see the absurdity of this request and will stop it before it gets too far.

The sad part is, I don't even have that anymore. I, for one, welcome our new RIAA overlords.

Re:Oh great... (1)

nearlygod (641860) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568052)

I agree with this post...

Or does this post agree with me?

Re:Oh great... (5, Interesting)

Slider451 (514881) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568013)

I just heard on NPR this morning that many indie labels are trying to get off the RIAA's list (Many indies want to be file shared to get the word out). Apparently the RIAA claims to represent thousands of labels, many of whom have never joined the organization.

The theory goes that for them to be effective they must appear to represent the majority of labels. The reality is that they represent the major labels and their affiliates. The quicker the truth comes out the less power they will have.

Re:Oh great... (5, Interesting)

leerpm (570963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568038)

Sounds like they need to form a new non-profit organization to represent the indie labels. Kind of like the FSF does for free software.

I would be happy to contribute to such an organization, and I am sure they would get a lot of support from Slashdot.

FSF for Indie Labels? Great idea! (1)

GuardianBob420 (309353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568111)

That is a great idea; my brother (who has his own [very] small indie label) has repeatedly looked into finding the kind of support you're talking about. The RIAA is definitely NOT looking out for his interests, nor does he want to have anything to do with supporting them / being endorsed by them.

And yes, looking at his record, Orrin Hatch is either (1) a complete tool (in the best sense of the word) or (2) completely disingenuous - ah, screw it, he's probably both!

Re:Oh great... (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568026)

You know what is really sad? The fact that the RIAA was found guilty of price-fixing on CDs, was giving a one fingered slap on the wrist, and got to get out of paying pretty much anything by a loop-hole...

Support freedom of music people. Only support bands that allow the free copying, distribution, and listening of their music in any format you choose.

It's the public that supports the RIAA by purchasing their merchandise. DO NOT DO IT.

Sharing the Groove [sharingthegroove.com] and FurthurNET [furthurnet.com]

Dumb fan-boy dorks! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568124)

When will you stop sending these asshole money??
You're not gonna get laid no matter how many tunes you own, so get used to it. Save your CD money for some acne cream and a hooker.

~The Prophet Lactus~

Re:Dumb fan-boy dorks! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568188)

what are you talking about? I don't even think you have a clue.

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Republicans, republicans, republicans (0, Troll)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567962)

You get what you vote for (unless it was Gore).

When corporations come before constituents this is what you get. I don't care which party it is, they are all corrupt. Republicans just never cared about the people.

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567996)

My god, you're ignorant. The Democrats are just as firmly in the MPAA/RIAA's pockets.

Not Insightful (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567998)

Democrats voted for the DMCA. A democrat signed the bill into law.

Democrats (cough, Senator Fritz Disney) are some of the ones that support the MPAA/RIAA.

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568028)

Perhaps if people in America actually bothered to vote you would see the politicians taking more notice of the people than the corporates.

Just a though....

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (2, Insightful)

ukmountie (693035) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568048)

Last time I checked Gore got the Majority. Not that the Democrats are any better. The problem is that Corporate rule is already or soon to become reality in most of the "free" world, and with a lack of options it will be difficult to dislodge.

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568203)

No, it will be very easy to dislodge. Unfortuntely it will also be very, very violent.

Jaysyn

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (4, Insightful)

drix (4602) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568145)

I hate republicans as much as the next guy, but dude: democrats took more than three times as much money [opensecrets.org] from the entertainment industry as republicans in the 2002 elections. Their number one recipient [opensecrets.org] was some guy from Massachusetts named Kerry, who correct me if I'm wrong [johnkerry.com] doesn't tend to agree too often with Bush and his cronies. In fact, every single congressman who is a Democratic presidential candidate is in the top 5--Edward #3, Lieberman (who favors censoring TV and records, that little sellout whore) #5, Gephardt #1, Kucinich #3. Hell even Dean is second only to W [opensecrets.org] in total dollars received--and he's, technically speaking, no more than an unemployed migrant orator, at the moment! :) So blaming this all on republicans is, I'm sorry, bullshit. Oh and by the way, Gore took $250,000 more [opensecrets.org] from the enterainment industry than Bush in 2000.

Oh yes, I'd vote for gore anytimes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568195)

If I remember the great times I had when I watched "Dawn of the dead", "Evil dead" 1+2+3, "Evil Ed", "The Dentist" and whatever - I sure will vote for anything containing GORE

Re:Republicans, republicans, republicans (0)

Ayaress (662020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568196)

The Democrats started this with the RIAA. Don't blame Republicans, put the blame where it belongs: The whole bunch of them.

The end of the world... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567967)

It's bad enough when the RIAA and MPAA act like idiots, but when the US government helps them in their greed and stupidity it effects the rest of the world. The USA is once again setting itself up to become the copyright police of the world - they just need to make sure that they own all the copyrights and patents first. The USA now fits the true definition of Pirates!

fucking apathy (-1, Troll)

kraksmoka (561333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567970)

jesus. i can still here the m-idiots from here saying, "oh, i voted nader, he seemed nice" "oh, i voted for two or three candidates, whatever, my vote doesn't count"

at least, hopefully, nobody buys the brainwashing bs this year. course, that's asking way too much. there is a threshold for how much advertising buys an election, in dollars. bush has $200M right now, more than the last one. we're screwed

Re:fucking apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568064)

jesus. i can still here the m-idiots from here saying, "oh, i voted nader, he seemed nice" "oh, i voted for two or three candidates, whatever, my vote doesn't count"

at least, hopefully, nobody buys the brainwashing bs this year. course, that's asking way too much. there is a threshold for how much advertising buys an election, in dollars. bush has $200M right now, more than the last one. we're screwed

Don't take this the wrong way, but you can't possibly be that stupid can you? Is it a huge suprise to you that politicians are in the pocket of special interests? Political corruption is the only truly bipartison thing going on in Washington these days. If it isn't the Republicans fscking us for the sake of large corporations, it's the Democrats fscking us for the sake of Hollywood, trade unions, etc. If you actually look beyond your blinders you'll see that both sides of the aisle are double-dipping from the same bag of money.

Re:fucking apathy (0, Flamebait)

kraksmoka (561333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568127)

well i liked the way the dems sold us up the river then. if you have to tell people that you're compassionate, it means you're a flaming asshole and don't give a shit.

sorry for all the cursing, a bad day here.

where's bill clinton when we need him?

Grrrr... (1, Troll)

squarooticus (5092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567977)

Orrin Hatch is the type of a**hole who gives all Republicans a bad name.

But there's also a lack of parallelism here: Republicans constantly get shit for the actions of these buffoons, but is the senior blimp from Massachusetts, the infamous Teddy Kennedy, ever called on the evil things he stands for?

Re:Grrrr... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568032)

What evil shit does Ted Kennedy stand for?

Re:Grrrr... (1, Funny)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568180)

Getting away with leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident resulting in a fatality.

Re:Grrrr... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568077)

Orrin Hatch is the type of a**hole who gives all Republicans a bad name.

But there's also a lack of parallelism here: Republicans constantly get shit for the actions of these buffoons, but is the senior blimp from Massachusetts, the infamous Teddy Kennedy, ever called on the evil things he stands for?


You're right, Ted Kennedy just gets the George Bush (Sr.) Award [washtimes.com] given to him for his outstanding service. Still comes back to republican corruption. In any regard, much of the problems we're having are due to republicans controlling all major branches of the federal government and the press more concerned about Michael Jackson than they are about the multitudes of Bush administration scandals that have gone un/under-reported.

Re:Grrrr... (1)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568189)

"Orrin Hatch is the type of a**hole who gives all Republicans a bad name.

But there's also a lack of parallelism here: Republicans constantly get shit for the actions of these buffoons, but is the senior blimp from Massachusetts, the infamous Teddy Kennedy, ever called on the evil things he stands for?"

I find it amusing that you decided to censor the word ass and not shit. Frankly, if anything should have been censored in your post, it should have been the name of Boring Snatch (Orrin Hatch).

They're legislating themselves into irrelevance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567980)

...the more of this nonsense comes up, the more they'll be laughed out of court if they try to enforce it, and the less anybody will actually make an effort to enforce anything.

Let them get more and more disconnected from real life until they're in their happy delusion-of-omnipotence bubble and everybody's moved on from buying music on physical medium altogether...

sometimes the best way to deal with the insane is let them think they're right.

I wonder why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567983)

Microsoft didn't think of getting an exemption along with the RIAA.

Re:I wonder why (1)

royalblue_tom (557302) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568049)

No need. They'll buy a small record label, and claim the exemption.

I am ashamed (5, Interesting)

jlechem (613317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567985)

to have Orrin Hatch as my congressional representative. I have never voted for him and after several news stories like this will never vote for him in the future. When will the people of Utah wake up and see that he does our state no good and harms our nation as well. Anti-trust laws are there for a reason. To keep companies from running rampant and having ultimate power to do as they will without regard. Nice move Orrin how much money did you take to get this law written? I suggest everyone write a letter to Senator Hatch and tell him what you think of this law. Utahans especially but it helps if anyone sends a letter in.

*Ok rant's over, flame on!

Re:I am ashamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568065)

dude, seriously, whats wrong with Utah ? You guys got mormons, SCO, Hatch and the Utah Jazz ? If I were you, I'd be running the shit out of myself to get to a more decent place, like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Re:I am ashamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568136)

If you really want to change things, send Hatch a letter and send letters to all your Senators and Congressmen. But don't just threaten to withhold your vote. Instead tell them you have had enough, and if they go through with this, you will actively campaign for their opponents. If they get enough of these letters they will notice.

We Should All Be Ashamed (5, Insightful)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568147)

I am ashamed to have Orrin Hatch as my congressional representative.

And well you should be. As an American, I am ashamed of virtually everyone congress and the presidency, and a number of Supreme Court justices. It is appalling how deep the rot is ... I do not have any optomism whatsoever that our government will ever recover from its current despicable state without a descent into revolution and chaos, and I do not have much optomism that our society will survive such a descent. In other words, I think it likely that our culture and our political system is about to consume itself and collapse utterly, and I am of two minds as to whether or not that will, ultimately, be a good thing or not.

When will the people of Utah wake up and see that he does our state no good and harms our nation as well. Anti-trust laws are there for a reason. To keep companies from running rampant and having ultimate power to do as they will without regard. Nice move Orrin how much money did you take to get this law written?

To answer your question, Orrin Hatch whored himself [opensecrets.org] out to the entertainment industry for $150,000 or so. Interestingly enough, he is brazen enough to take $100,000 from the computer industry at the same time (one wonders if that isn't Microsoft priming the pump for TCPA/DRM ... they are the only ones in the industry who would support this atrocity).

Congressman Valar...nice ring... (3, Insightful)

Valar (167606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567986)

If I were in congress, I think I would just start voting down anything with a clever acronym for a name....

Not even surprised anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567988)

When justice can not be obtained via peaceful means through the system, the people usually turn to the violent ones.

Oh well, it's just another symptom of a failing Republic turning to despotism. At least these yahoos will be the first against the wall, come the revolution.

What's this age thing? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567990)

What's this big deal about the age of the perps?

Look, criminal and anti-social behaviour by children is a growing problem in more than one country - you want to let robbers and burglars off too if they happen to be 12 or 15??

WRONG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568086)

Crime, particularly violent crime, has been falling for the past 15 years.

Perhaps you're stupid or easily maniupulated that you think otherwise.

I'd subscribe to both theories, frankly.

Who's next? (0)

mcbunny29 (583989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567992)



Microsoft? De Beers?

If this bill goes through, it's gonna be a free-for-all grab-while-you-can anti-anti-trust bonanza in every industry sector!

*Blink* (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7567993)

WTF?

Somebody shoot them already...

heh (1, Funny)

SQLz (564901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567997)

More bribe money, down the Hatch.

what market realities? (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 10 years ago | (#7567999)

Market realities that radio is being consolidated into a handful of companies and you now have more control? Song royalties for Internet radio are cost prohibitive in most instances? You are spending millions of dollars to develop trash movies and music and the consumers aren't buying into it anymore?

How about we stop allowing them to pay off these lawmakers with huge donations (even through other channels) and they stop being able to throw their weight around.

Although I guess they could just ignore any findings of the government like someone else we know and go about their business as usual w/o fear.

Great...more power to the RIAA (5, Interesting)

canfirman (697952) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568008)

"Any bill that further increases the RIAA's power over consumers is extremely disconcerting to us," president of the Webcaster Alliance, Ann Gabriel told us today.

Great. This is what we need. More power to those who hold the purse strings. Give more power to big business and less to consumers.

The thing that concerns me is that the RIAA is trying to circumvent a diplomatic process. I always thought that, while not completely effective, challenging an organizations actions (even in court) kept what organizations do in check - that the could not overstep their boundries. Now, the RIAA is trying to be immune from it's actions, while suing consumers for their actions.

This could start a dangerous precident - allowing corporations immunity from their own actions. Hope SCO isn't watching.

Media Companies (1, Interesting)

femto (459605) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568009)

Why do record and movie companies get away with this? Is it because of their close affiliation with media companies? Does this lead to their actions never being reported, so the electorate never finds out what laws are being passed in the movie/record companies' favour?

Are politicians so dependent on positive media spin that they dare not refuse such laws? So many questions.

Re:Media Companies (1, Redundant)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568122)

Are politicians so dependent on positive media spin that they dare not refuse such laws? So many questions.

Oh absolutely. William Hearst's often quoted telegram still applies: "You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war."

Give a politician a camera to look at and he'll promise you the world whether he can deliver it or not. Politicians are scumbags. The trouble with our system of government is the politicians are the media whores and the true statesmen don't pander to the press and bow to the media so they don't get reported on. Thus, they remain the silent heroes working the back channels to try and keep some semblence of liberty in this country. The rest of the government, run by media-whore politicians, Republican, Democrat, and Independent alike, can all go suck my balls.

Bah... (5, Insightful)

softspokenrevolution (644206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568020)

I don't care what you say, there is no reason, no reason at all for anyone to be exempt from anti-trust laws. The reality of the market? What on earth does that mean?

Clearly the music and movie industries are larg amalgams esigned to stigle anything that resembles competition, is that the reality that they're talking about? The only reason a company would want an exemption from anti-trust laws would be if they were or were planning on becoming a monopoly, or if they are or plan on just raping those laws in the name of extreme profit. Those laws are in place to protect not only consumers but the economic and creative interests of the United States of America.

What a bunch of bums, really. I don't care if no one likes you. I don't care that your companies are losing money because people found out that they didn't have to pay $20 for a CD (they could pay like $10 with I-Tunes). Why should you be immune the the laws? I'm sorry Mr. Corporate Conspiracy Group, but the laws are there to apply to everyone equally, and no one should get exempted from them, this is what we call equality, if you don't like it, then you can stick it in some place and go move your companies out to Vantua with Sharman networks.

Ob South Park Reference (4, Funny)

Zak3056 (69287) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568025)

<singing>

Orrin Hatch, he went to congress, DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM

</singing>

For the people (1)

Aelfweld (120148) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568029)

While I already think people sue to often things like this make me wonder. If we are a country for the people by the people(ok really a republic not a democracy) and senators are supposed to represent people in thier distrcit. Shouldn't we as people step up and sue some of these senators for not represnting us but instead representing big business and not even businesses that are in thier district?

Re:For the people (1)

musikit (716987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568199)

wouldn't they just enact a law stating that they are exempt? hence the problem here.

"market realities" demand a lot of things (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568035)

Exemption from the law isn't even a new thing for these people; this does after all come on the back of the "go on, let us kill every box we suspect of having copies on" request. Exemption from other boring laws, like those stopping them from just firebombing those nasty piracy enablers like Frys and Staples who supply all the equipment required to write a CDR can't be too far behind, surely?

Why (1)

Hanzie (16075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568040)

Why is Mr. Hatch so bent out of shape about copyright abuses? The claimed "because I have copywritten songs too" is unbelivable. Lets face it, who is going to download a senator's greatest Mormon hits?

Does he actually believe that he's losing money from the kazaa collective by this?

I'd really love to track sales, because there probably are some of his songs out there now, just out of sheer macabre fascination. Perhaps he'd try to say with a straight face that it has hurt his sales?

I'd guess that some folks have bought his album just out of sheer novelty.
-------------------Stunning Insight Strikes -----------
It just hit me. I'm serious here, don't laugh. He's gotten more exposure for his singing out of this copyright fracas than he ever had a chance at. No doubt the RIAA is helping him market as well.

I'd bet his sales have skyrocketed, since he's been able to use this entire fiasco for personal gain.

I mean, who the heck knew he even HAD a singing career before this. Now it's mentioned every time he opens his mouth in the media.

Between him and McBride, I'm getting really embarassed about this whole Utah thing.

The truthfulness of my sig is really starting to bother me.

hanzie.

So far this week (5, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568041)

So far this week our government has passed laws legalizing spam and giving huge kickbacks to insurance companies. They have a majority on a bill indemnifying oil companies for MTBE pollution. They declared intent to ban gay marriages in the US. Now there is a bill that would give all publishers the right to become monopolies? And this actually received sponsorship?

Isn't our government supposed to behave near elections?

Re:So far this week (2, Funny)

Hanzie (16075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568090)

Isn't our government supposed to behave near elections?

They are. Just watch what happens when elections are over.

Re:So far this week (2, Insightful)

ccmay (116316) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568126)

They have a majority on a bill indemnifying oil companies for MTBE pollution.

And so they should, given that MTBE was forced on the oil companies by the government and the 'watermelon' public interest groups in a misguided attempt to reduce air pollution.

If anyone should pay for cleaning up MTBE, it should be the EPA and the Sierra Club. I don't think the oil companies should pay one red cent.

-ccm

Re:So far this week (1)

palutke (58340) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568160)

If anyone should pay for cleaning up MTBE, it should be the EPA and the Sierra Club. I don't think the oil companies should pay one red cent.

It doesn't matter. The consumer will end up paying one way or the other.

Theft as competition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568054)

Quick, notify Microsoft. If product theft can be considered competition for the RIAA, then so too can Microsoft claim that with the anti-trust issues they have been having.

"Your honor, clearly the fact that our products are competing heavily with pirated copies of our products clearly proves that we are not a monopoly."

Utah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568056)

What is it with people from Utah? McBride, Hatch, ...

Market Realities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568061)

So what exactly are these "market realities"? That they completely dominate the mainstream music market?

Have they considered giving MS the same sort of exemption? After all, they dominate their mainstream portion of the market as well..

Just sheer disbelief (1)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568070)

.. not only at the in-your-face cheek that it was done at all, but that it may even get past congress.

Wonder if this is how government has always behaved and now they're being found out more, or whether it's a particularly crap current bunch...

Simon

Time to protest with sledgehammers... (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568076)

I frankly am nearing the point where I think we need to bulldoze and take down RIAA's national headquarters with sledge hammers, bulldozers, etc.

This is getting sickening....

Frankly, Orin Hatch, is a danger to society...

Info request (1)

polin8 (170866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568087)

google didn't help.

I'd call my Senators - the generally loveable Barabara Mikulski, and generally respectable Sarbanes - but I can't find the actual bill number.

Anyone know it?

(google mentions another "enforce act having to do with gun control, wouldn't want to confuse the issue)

What the..? (1)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568094)

Why? Because of 'market realities.' Which ones? The 12-year-old girl? The 15-year-old girl? Or the 66-year-old Grandma with a Mac?

What? This antitrust exemption seems like pure shit to me, but, last time I checked, 12 year-olds are not exempt from the law, nor 66-year olds (NOT that old). I don't understand why the RIAA suing young or old people is some sort of condemnation.

Re:What the..? (1)

larien (5608) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568194)

The issue is the dual standards; the RIAA wants to sue the world while being exempt from at least one type of court action on itself.

14th Amendment challenge (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568096)

Ianal, but I believe this would violate the 14th amendment. This would give unequal protection under the law.

Public awareness is key here... (5, Interesting)

reimero (194707) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568097)

Hatch is trying to pull this off at the same time Congress is debating whether the BCS violates antitrust laws. The NCAA [ncaa.org] doesn't have an antitrust exemption, and neither does the NFL. [nfl.com] To my knowledge, Major League Baseball [mlb.com] is the only group of that sort to have an antitrust exemption, and even that's come up for debate during all those strikes.


A simple public awareness campaign should put an end to the madness. In the context of other "market realities," it simply doesn't make sense. In fact, Congress has taken an active interest in limiting those other "market realities." Seriously, what's the difference between one group controlling all access to recorded music and one group controlling all access to pro football?

Ah Mr Capone, please enter the Oval Office (1)

valisk (622262) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568107)

"No Mr. Capone shouldn't be charged with forming a Trust, as market realities have to be taken into consideration. Instead we should write into law a permanent exemption for Mr. Capone and his organisation, the Mafia." said Senator Charles Deneen yesterday to the Senate, whilst proposing the text of his new EnFORCE bill, which is designed to reduce crime by making several current crimes legal and preventing legislation against several potential crimes.

I can't imagine this having happened, but I can imagine RIAA getting their way.
Why?
Because the political types of today, even if they in some small numbers do have principals, seem all to willing to sell those priciples down the sewer in exchange for a piece of whatever pie happens to be offered at the table.

People like Orin Hatch are a stench in the nostrils of all decent liberty loving people.

I love America... (1)

mritunjai (518932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568112)

... I can see capitalism "working"... naked and in all its gory details.

Folks, absolute power untimately corrupts absolutely, and sadly, capitalism gives that power in hands of those who have deep pockets.

Re:I love America... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568178)

No, laws that allow such strong corporate structures do, idiot.

Isn't communism just capitalism with special requirements on stock ownership?

When did young girls and grandmas become immune... (2, Insightful)

BlabberMouth (672282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568117)

from the law? I know that this law is obnoxious, but what difference does it make that it is enforced against young girls and grandmas. It is just as obnoxious enforced against a 30 year old white male.

Write by hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568134)

It's been suggested that people write to their representative on issues such as this. Don't forget that hand written letters get MUCH more attention.

Blame the Free Market? Yes, they will (4, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568138)

This is the classic powerplay of the statists - set up a straw man scenario, get people to believe that the 'market' is 'free', then show its failures, thus proving the need for State intervention.
A classic argument for this is health care (in the US, sorry for you non-US folks). The argument goes as follows: Health care is expensive, due to those rich capitalist pigs raising the prices of drugs. This conjures the emotional response of jealousy, and subconscious imagery of sick people dying due to 'greedy' doctors. This argument neglects the reality that government monopoly money (in the form of Medicare/Medicaid) was been pouring into the medical establishment for 40 years. Given a customer with infinite cash, any business will jack up its prices to infinite levels.
Returning to the music argument, the industry has so manipulated the legislation that it is far from a free market (DVD encoding, DMCA, even region-encoded discs) that they can no longer claim the same right to protection under traditional law. It was only a matter of time, inevitable, that they would require blatant exemption and special treatment.

Another Market Reality (4, Insightful)

curtisk (191737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568142)

...is that the RIAA and MPAA have lost touch with their markets and artists, and yes, reality. They need to adapt to the changes in technology and society or they will eventually die (albeit with alot of kicking and crying), they don't get it, they are their own PR nightmare.

While at the core their arguements against piracy are valid, unfortunately the reason it is so bad for them is because of the "market-plan" they have set for themselves, which isn't an option anymore, people know what CD's actually cost, people know that the artists see pennies on the dollar, people don't want to line **AA's pockets with their cash anymore ....so if **AA's profits are down, you're cutting into their "lifestyle" so whats another way to produce revenue? Lawsuits settlements!

They're saying ,one way or another, they will get your money from you whether you like it or not. Time for them to re-assess their plans.

Politics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7568148)

Which do you want? The puppet on the left or the puppet on the right? Waking Life. Great movie, watch it some day.

The use of power (1)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568167)

Surprised that laws are being enacted
for the benefit of those in power?

Shocked that "right" and "wrong" do not
seem to have any stable meaning?

Scandalized that money buys influence
and influence buys money?

This is the modern social contract:
keep us safe from the unwashed hordes,
provide us with fuel for our SUVs, and
we will vote for you, make you wealthy,
and accept your regimes.

People get the governments they deserve
and sadly the US deserves this one: it's
the consequence of 25 years of "me 1st".

Record companies and music publishers? (2, Insightful)

bahamat (187909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568174)

So if Microsoft writes an origonal song for each relase of Windows the way Theo does for OpenBSD they become a music publihser and are therefor exempt from anti-trust laws?

Thanks Orin. I feel so much better now.

Please keep children and grandmother's out of it. (5, Insightful)

Kevin Stevens (227724) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568193)

Why? Because of 'market realities.' Which ones? The 12-year-old girl? The 15-year-old girl? Or the 66-year-old Grandma with a Mac?"

I am as much against the RIAA as anyone, and have been a victim of their tactics (in 1998/99 I was threatened with a suit via my school over an ftp site, ended up being protected by my school, but got slapped w/ loss of network access and academic probation for a year). But come on now guys, these quotes are the same type of crap pulled to get these laws in place 'for the children.' (Ok this doesnt apply really to the DMCA, but it doesnt change the central point). What is worse, is that we are now throwing grandmother's in the picture. It is equally heinous to sue your customers regardless of age, or maternal status. Can we please try to keep the loaded language to the mass media and off of slashdot? If not, might as well do some digging around, im sure one of them has or had cancer, perhaps is HIV positive.

Come on guys, lets keep the standards high, and use solid arguments in place of trying to sling mud at the RIAA.

They should merge with the Disney corporation (1)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568200)

That way, they can continue concentrating and isolating themselves, and we can all develop another system that renders them irrelevant.

Every time you try to close your fist around the population like that, you will lose.

Let's just hope it happens quickly!

this is insane (2, Insightful)

mm0mm (687212) | more than 10 years ago | (#7568204)

in translation the two most powerful mafia in the entertainment industry are requesting immunization from any request for breakup so that no one with sound mind won't stop their *activities*. if you have an army of lawyers standing behind, you can exploit all the "entertainers" and extort peepers, blaming them for watching free shows.

RI@@ + MP@@ should be disband, just like hollywood studios were ordered to break up their vertically integrated film distribution system in the past. both organizations gives no benefit whatsoeveer to artists and/or consumers. their only interest is their profits only. fsck them.
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