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If Microsoft Built Cars...

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the where-do-you-want-to-go-today dept.

Microsoft 642

trystanu writes "If Microsoft Built Cars, occasionally your car would just die on the motorway for no reason; you'd accept this, restart and drive on -- at least that was the joke a few years ago. ZDNET reports that Microsoft has persuaded a number of carmakers to use its slimmed-down Windows CE operating system to power a variety of in-car electronics, from navigation systems to music players to information devices. BMW, in particular, has gravitated to Microsoft systems, although the company has announced wins with Honda, Volvo and others as well. Perhaps the recent trapping of Thai dignitaries inside a BMW should be a warning to us all."

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Hmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582692)

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Hmm... (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582703)

I hope the ``Eurythmics'' practice birth control ...

Re:Hmm... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582814)

Perhaps the recent trapping of Thai dignitaries inside a BMW should be a warning to us all.

Of course, the FIRST line of that article is how the problem occured because of an electronics failure, rather than a Windows crash.

Man, I'm glad that *NO ONE* reads the articles anymore, even the submitters.

GREAT, THAT FAGGOT "A PROUD AMERICAN" IS BACK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582695)

Get out the anal lube!

If if if (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582698)


If Microsoft Built Cars..

An interesting proposition.. /me peers into his crystal ball...

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If Microsoft Built Cars... [tremcopoliceproducts.com]
If Microsoft Built Cars... [carbuyingtips.com]
If Microsoft Built Cars... [tfhrc.gov]
If Microsoft Built Cars... [bbc.co.uk]
If Microsoft Built Cars... [aol.com]
If Microsoft Built Cars... [planetx.org]
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If Microsoft Built Cars... [memphismaulers.com]

Whoa.. stick with QNX [qnx.com] , please.

YOU PEERED INTO YOUR CRYSTAL BALLS? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582717)

GRUB once again tries to be funny!!!1!~``1OMGWTFLOLL`~!~@~~

Re:YOU PEERED INTO YOUR CRYSTAL BALLS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582736)

That wasn't me.

Sincerely,
Stupid Simpsons Quote

Re:YOU PEERED INTO YOUR CRYSTAL BALLS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582763)

Bah, and Fridays are traditionally "Karma Burn" days yet I failed to slip a goatse.cx link in there. Forgive me.

Re:YOU PEERED INTO YOUR CRYSTAL BALLS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582827)

I checked the link for the first couple, but didn't for the last few. If you snuck it in at the bottom (pun intended) you would have had me. I'll be more careful now that I have let you know how it could have worked.

- SSQ

Re:If if if (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582761)

You're such a fucking faggot, always gunning for the first post. Go eat shit nigger bastard mother fucking grub.

Re:If if if (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582785)

YEW r teh funnee! U need sex0ring from daddee agan, fagget?

Re:If if if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582799)

Ancient news. Must be a real slow day.
How do moron posts like this get on slashdot when countless IT relevant posts get sent to dev\null every hour.

Microsoft's response: (5, Funny)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582834)

It wasn't the car's fault, it was bad drivers.

Re:If if if (5, Insightful)

torved (204864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582892)

Ironically, 50,000 people die every year from Automobile accidents and no one looks to blame Ford or GM for these deaths.

It's probably not too far off to say 99.9% of Windows crashing problems are due to operator error from installing bad drivers (from other manufacterers), installing bad hardware, installing crappy software.

If GM made Windows, it would not be upgradable, it would run 1950's technology, it would cost $20000 every 5 years, and it would STILL CRASH!

Not a Microsocks fan, but it's funny how narrowminded some can be...

torved

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582701)

ooh

Re:first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582715)

I guess that sound of "ooh" is what you make when YOU FAIL IT!!11!!!!

Stupid nerds! (-1)

Captain Goatse (715400) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582702)

LOLL, this is certainly news for nerds, nerds suck my dick while throwing up, LOLL11

Windows... (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582704)

Let the "crash" jokes begin

Brings a whole new meaning to "system crash" (1, Funny)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582708)

Ouch.

4 words (5, Funny)

DirtyJ (576100) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582709)

Black Pavement of Death

Re:4 words (4, Interesting)

aheath (628369) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582781)

Alan Cooper's [cooper.com] book The Inmates Are Running the Asylum: Why High-Tech Products Drive us Crazy and How to Restore the Sanity" [yahoo.com] has a great story about a Porsche that required a factory reset if the fuel level was too low. This feature was designed to protect the fuel injectors from running on empty. Unfortunately, the engine could shut down if the tank was close to empty and the car went around a corner. The centripital force of cornering left the fuel level center high and dry. The car could only be restarted at a Porsche dealer.

Music Players? (4, Insightful)

aerojad (594561) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582714)

So... what are the chances of DRM following us to our (future) cars after it's rolled out? More specifically, the playing of mp3 cds.

Re:Music Players? (4, Interesting)

EddydaSquige (552178) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582822)

Interesting, I could honestly see some car company not wanting to let you install an after market stereo. Especially now that several of them are trying to push things like XM radio, dvd players and like at the dealership.

Microsoft security (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582716)

So long as they don't use Windows for the car security system, I mean imagine... "Insert any key to begin"

Re:Microsoft security (1, Funny)

stunami (664158) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582787)

No no its hit any Window to begin :)

If Microsoft built cars.. (4, Funny)

nnnneedles (216864) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582720)

Competing with Microsoft woulbe so hard that other companies would start offering open-engine cars for free!

heh (3, Funny)

odyrithm (461343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582721)

I love it when /. posts jokes.. you are joking right?.. right?.... hello?

Oh here we go again... (-1, Flamebait)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582722)

Thousands of pathetic Slashdot sheep are about to get aroused, posting under the influence of Linux superioty and making the same fucking mindless jokes. "Microsoft are ghey" + 5 insightful. You are a sorry bunch of fuckers.

Re:Oh here we go again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582738)

UID of over 600K? Get out of here.

Re:Oh here we go again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582860)

what, not geek enough for you ?
you have to be among the 1st to discover slashdot (which is full of dumb trolls and stupid jokes) to be considered intelligent ?

read the article (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582764)

the first paragraph in the article about people being trapped says it happened because of an electrical fault, not a system crash. Just more banner hits for OSDN i suppose...

Re:Oh here we go again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582780)

... and thousands of fanboys and shills are creaming themselves at the thought that they can defend their hero from the ravages of the penguinists

Just another day on slashdot shillboy -- get used to it.

Re:Oh here we go again... (-1)

BattleCat (244240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582812)

Yes. You are absolutely right.
So what ? Feeling better ?
STFU.

Re:Oh here we go again... (0, Flamebait)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582832)

You don't have to be an MS fan to hate Linux obsessed mindless morons. That just comes naturally. I wouldn't expect somebody displaying the logic in your post to understand that it's possible to like something and hate drooling retards at the same time.

It's a good fit (5, Interesting)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582723)

BMW's come with what amounts to an EULA. If you look under the hood, you'll notice a little sticker that says you are not to connect any third party electronics to the car, CB, ham radio, etc, or even use a hand-held cell phone within the car, unless you buy a BMW approved carphone. This is under threat of voiding your warantee.

I'm sure in the US there's some protection offered under the same law that forces manufacturers to allow you to use aftermarket parts, but I don't know if that precedent would extend to electronics equipment that isn't really part of the car.

Re:It's a good fit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582789)

that's bullshit. i own one. you have quite an imagination

Re:It's a good fit (3, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582820)

Well I saw it with my own eyes, but here's a usenet post to back me up.

Happy? [google.com]

Re:It's a good fit (1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582870)

Ok.

So where's the real evidence - not just hearsay?

Re:It's a good fit (-1)

BattleCat (244240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582862)

Anonymous Coward ? Owning BMW 745i ?
The world is really strange these days...

Re:It's a good fit (3, Interesting)

sydlexic (563791) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582809)

I love BMW's, but my 2001 M5 is the last BMW I will buy as long as the new models run CE and look like Elephant Dung. The new models are seriously ugly Hyundai rip-offs and they have this gawd-awful iDrive. I tried iDrive and I'd rather not drive than iDrive.

Re:It's a good fit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582855)

Holy sh*t, I believed iDrive was an Apple's trademark.

Re:It's a good fit (3, Informative)

Thavius (640045) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582868)

Well, from what I've gleaned working on warranties and listening to service managers is after market products that are installed on your car (such as remote starters, extra lights, anything that hook into your electrical system) have a high chance of voiding your manufacturer's warranty. Especially remote starters, those can fry your electronical system faster than it'll void your warranty.

As far as add-on electronics goes, I'm not going to void my warranty by plugging in my cell-phone into my car. But with aftermarket products, have them professionally installed. Otherwise it'll get ugly if you have a failure relating to that aftermarket product. Ugly for your pocketbook that is.

Re:It's a good fit (5, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582891)

The little notice says you are not to even operate a hand-held cell phone in the car.

They must use some piss-poor shielding on their electronics if they are really worried about induced currents from a hand-held phone causing any problems.

Either that, or they want to scare people into buying a BMW blessed carphone from a dealership, which is much more likely.

Re:It's a good fit (3, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582877)

Also, from the reactions to their iDrive system that I've seen, they can use all the user-friendliness they can get - the perfect job for MS.

Not a problem (4, Insightful)

symbolic (11752) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582724)


It will just make it that much easier to decide which manufacturers I'd consider the next time I buy a car, since there will a few that will immediately excluded.

hooray for MS (3, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582726)

Seriously - don't flame me. Win CE is very user friendly out of the box, and that's what one needs in a car interface. Familiarity is also key. Add some flashy, touch screen navigation, and voila. I'd have thought the increased cost of using MS as a reason to use a Linux flavor, but hey, I'm not the one spending money here.

Re:hooray for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582731)

We're talking kernel here, dude, not GUI.

Re:hooray for MS (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582760)

When you're talking about a car interface that can do alot more than just directions, for example locking and unlocking doors, windows, starting and stoping the engine, etc, what you need is STABILITY, and then a pretty interface once the stability part is done. Microsoft comes at it from the other direction, they make it pretty first and work on security and stability second. This is not the place where you ever want even a single crash.

Re:hooray for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582775)

Mod parent up as funny!!

Re:hooray for MS (1)

IWorkForMorons (679120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582818)

Seeing as car- and computer-specific programming needs to be done anyways, there is no reason to use WinCE over embedded Linux. In this case they maybe on even ground, with a slight edge given to Linux for being open-source and auditable. And possibly cost too. Familiarity doesn't affect anything since car manufacturers, especially those of luxury cars, will probably want their own company-made interface to distinguish themselves. This will be a war of marketting, which I don't hold much hope for MS in the already disenchanted Asian market, and the increasingly disenchanted European market.

Re:hooray for MS (0, Troll)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582883)

there is no reason to use WinCE over embedded Linux

So having a legitimate company support you over an obscure horde of sweaty hackers who just tells you to RTFM does not count as a reason?

Re:hooray for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582886)

I'd argue also that CE is a bit more resilient than Windows desktop OSes. I haven't rebooted my PocketPC since I got it in May...

Actually, thinking about it, at least you get a cold reboot before you drive off - maybe that'll make it even more robust.

Thai Dignitaries? (0, Redundant)

Mohammed Al-Sahaf (665285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582728)

SOY comes from Thailand. They obviously forgot: SOY makes you strong! Strength crushes puny locked car doors!

if... then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582732)

ZDNET reports that Microsoft has persuaded a number of carmakers to use its slimmed-down Windows CE operating system to power a variety of in-car electronics, from navigation systems to music players to information devices.

we're toast...

Old "news"... (0)

kosmosik (654958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582733)

Friday, May 16 2003 10:13 AM

Sheeesh, and FYI as the case has been discussed long ago. Windows CE in BMW was not controlling any of thing that failed (AC, locking door etc.) it only controled Hi-Fi and navigation.

Re:Old "news"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582794)

Shhh..you don't want to destroy the wet dreams of slashbots that everything that fails is due to Microsoft's fault.

Just look at the headline, Microsoft doesn't build cars, they write software.

That's what you get for having a Microsoft-hating, asshole editor like Michael.

Win CE/PPC 2003 (5, Interesting)

bagboy (630125) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582735)

I currently have to hard boot my Dell Axim X5 after roughly 2-3 hours depending on the app that locked (RealOne Player, X-Lite (SIP Phone), etc..). I think CE/PPC is still too unstable for possible life threatening experiences in the car.

Old MS car joke... (-1, Redundant)

antdude (79039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582740)

Old joke came up in my head when I read this article headline. For those who haven't read it before or want to reread it for kicks:

If Microsoft Built Cars

1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you'd have to buy a new car.

2. Occasionally your car would just die on the roadway for no reason, accept this, restart and drive on.

3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver would cause your car to stop and fail to restart and you'd have to re-install the engine. For some strange reason, you'd just accept this too.

4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you bought a "Car 95" or a "Car NT". But then you'd have to buy more seats.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was twice as reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive - but it would only run on five percent of the roads.

6. The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades to their cars which would make their cars go much slower.

7. The oil, engine, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced with a single "General Car Fault" warning light.

8. People would get excited about the "new" features in Microsoft cars, forgetting completely that they had been available in other cars for many years.

9. We'd all have to switch to Microsoft gas and all auto fluids but the packaging would be supurb.

10. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.

11. The airbag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off.

12. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened.

13. They wouldn't build their own engines, but form a cartel with their engine suppliers. The latest engine would have 16 cylinders, multi-point fuel injection and 4 turbos, but it would be a side-valve design so you could use Model-T Ford parts on it.

14. There would be an "Engium Pro" with bigger turbos, but it would be slower on most existing roads.

15. Microsoft cars would have a special radio/cassette player which would only be able to listen to Microsoft FM, and play Microsoft Cassettes. Unless of course, you buy the upgrade to use existing stuff.

16. Microsoft would do so well, because even though they don't own any roads, all of the road manufacturers would give away Microsoft cars free, including IBM!

17. If you still ran old versions of car (ie. CarDOS 6.22/CarWIN 3.11), then you would be called old fashioned, but you would be able to drive much faster, and on more roads!

18. If you couldn't afford to buy a new car, then you could just borrow your friends, and then copy it.

19. Whenever you bought a car, you would have to reorganize the ignition for a few days before it worked.

20. You would need to buy an upgrade to run cars on a highway next to each other.

Copied and pasted from http://www.saleenunlimited.com/funnystuff/microsof t.asp ...

Re:Old MS car joke... (4, Funny)

Theatetus (521747) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582884)

Hey, see that link in the article? That's right, the very first one?

Click it, and it leads to...

..wait for it...

That's right! The same old joke you just reposted! Tell him what he's won, Rod!

He's one a 5-day, 4-night stay in beautiful RTFALand! We'll fly him and a guest non stop to a room where he can sit and actually read the articles before posting ancient jokes we've all seen before that are referenced by the article itself!

Trapped inside a locked car? (5, Insightful)

mcg1969 (237263) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582743)

Reading that story from Singapore puzzles me. Does it strike anyone here as silly to have car locks that are controlled entirely electronically? I mean, power locks are great, don't get me wrong. But since they are by necessity mechanical anyway, so doesn't it make sense to provide a manual, mechanical means to lock and unlock them? Doing otherwise just seems like you're placing unnecessary trust in imperfect electronics.

Re:Trapped inside a locked car? (1)

mcg1969 (237263) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582762)

My fault, it was Thailand, not Singapore.
Sorry!

Re:Trapped inside a locked car? (4, Interesting)

His name cannot be s (16831) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582842)

I just had the opposite problem.

In my brand new Honda Accord, I came out to the cold Canadian air last week, pressed the button on my key to open the door, and All I heard was a faint thudding click. It seemed the locking mechanism was a tad frozen ( it was -26c that night).

Repeated attempts were not producing results, so I inserted the key into the lock, figuring I'd just open in manually. It turns out there is no physical connection to the locking mechanism, the key simply triggers the electronic lock!

Needless to say, I ended up popping the trunk with the remote, and crawling thru, pushing down the back seat. When I got inside the car, I had to end up pulling the lock up mannualy, and boy was it ever stuck.

Seems like a simple thing, but how the hell could some idiot engineer put together a single point of failure for getting into the car?

What if the battery was dead? then neither the trunk nor the door would open, and I couldn't get in to pop the hood to replace the battery. Needless to say, I'm still quite pissed about it.

I'll be yelling rather profusely at the Honda rep this week.

G

Re:Trapped inside a locked car? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582874)

Unfortunately, that's just the way manufacturers seem to have gone.

A couple of years ago, it happened to a former classmate of my brother. Luckily he had his cellphone handy. I can't remember what kind of car it was, it could've been a MB.

Cardows Update (5, Funny)

Slick_Snake (693760) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582744)

Security updates for you car will be availible on the internet. Failure to update voids all warrenties.

NOTE TO SELF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582745)

Do not buy Honda, Volvo or BMW cars. Too bad I really wanted to get a beamer next year, guess I'll stick with Mercedes instead.

If Slashdot made cars... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582749)

...you would see the same car over and over again.

have you heard this one? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582750)

Before the airbag deploys, it asks you "Are you sure?"

Windows CE (1)

motek (179836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582754)

I have got a PocketPC 'thing' and, I have to admit, I am enjoying the experience. Not that I bought the device myself, with my own money - my love for all things Microsoft doesn't go quite that far. It was a freebie.
The system appears to be stable (as stable, as a Palm I used before) and rather useful. I guess it could be quite fitting a system for fringe-items in cars.

--

Thai Dignitary--myth busting (5, Informative)

betis70 (525817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582755)

Too bad he wasn't driving a BMW with an iDrive system, but an earlier BMW. It was a catastrophic electrical system failure that locked him in the car.

http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/systems/0,39001153 ,3 9130270,00.htm

Re:Thai Dignitary--myth busting (2, Insightful)

nagora (177841) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582806)

Too bad he wasn't driving a BMW with an iDrive system, but an earlier BMW.

Which is what it said in the article. So what? Does that suddenly mean that Microsft's 20+ year record of buggy, unreliable, insecure software just vanishes? The lession was not about what system the car was using but what can happen if systems fail on a modern, particularly a modern bullet proof, car. Why would anyone want to risk using the world's most famous failed OS in such circumstances?

TWW

Worrying... (5, Insightful)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582756)

Quite frankly this concerns me.. all joking aside, Microsoft has yet to prove itself in the reliability stakes. Plain and simple.

Their handheld / 'CE' operating systems are no different, and quite simply I wouldn't knowingly buy a car where the majority of its tricks and gizmo's were Microsoft powered.

Non Critical (4, Insightful)

vchoy (134429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582766)

...from navigation systems to music players to information devices...
Personally, I think it's no big deal. Just remember these are all non-critical components.

I'd start to worry if they operated the controllers for engine/fuel/drive-by-wire systems. etc.

And they are proud of it too... (5, Funny)

Ducon Lajoie (30475) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582786)

Microsoft Technology Hits the Road in BMW 7 Series [microsoft.com] :



Microsoft technology powers the navigation feature used in BMW's innovative new iDrive telematics system. (Click for high-resolution image)
REDMOND, Wash. -- March 4, 2002 -- Microsoft Corp. today announced that the BMW 7 Series, the line of cars introduced last month in the United States, features Microsoft's robust, real-time embedded operating system, Windows(R) CE. This announcement comes shortly after Microsoft's Automotive Business Unit launched Windows CE for Automotive v3.5, the newest version of its telematics software platform based on Windows CE, and announced an end-to-end solution to enable the auto industry to cost-effectively implement and maintain advanced automotive telematics.

If microsoft built cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582788)

then does that mean linux will build bikes? Or just not bother all together.

BMW using this at Comdex (1)

michael noah (515401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582798)

Essentially, it was a PDA with voice recognition implanted into the dash. The demoed voice recognition seemed to do a rather good job as well, when asked questions like, "Tell me what the weather is like", and "give me directions to Treasure Island". I'm not sure what level of connectivity they had.

All in all, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Many have PDA's etc., and as the artical says, it makes sense for them to interface with the car.

Obviously, I don't think we'll see actual automobile related functions running on windows any time soon.

Oh, and there were a couple LCD's implanted in the back of the front seats so that you could play Xbox in the back.

Posters Should Read the Links They Provide (5, Insightful)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582800)

"Perhaps the recent trapping of Thai dignitaries [cnet.com] inside a BMW should be a warning to us all."

Did you actually read the article????

It starts with this paragraph

BMW has told CNETAsia that an electronic fault caused the problem, rather than a system crash of the car's Windows-based central computer, as other reports have speculated.

and ends with

But when contacted by CNETAsia, a spokeswoman from BMW Thailand said the car at fault was a 10-year old BMW 520i that had suffered a simple electronic failure.

Re:Posters Should Read the Links They Provide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582888)

The article is demonstrative of the false economy of overcomplicating essential facilities. I don't see why you're being defensive.

This explains Mad Max (1)

Frisky070802 (591229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582801)

They're making a new Mad Max [slashdot.org] movie, right? Perhaps this report is why the apocalypse seems so much closer... all our cars will die of viruses?

If Microsoft ever builds cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582802)

...they will surely require both office 2003 and server 2003 to run the diagnostics.

Obligatory "Russia" quip... (-1, Troll)

Sexy Bern (596779) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582804)

In Soviet Russia, Windows is powered by petrol!

Or something.

All wrong about the BMW! (1, Redundant)

lkturner (556290) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582805)

The incident mentioned dealt with a car that is TEN years old. I think that predates Windows CE.
From the story - "Thai Rath said Suchart got the 10-year-old car two days ago as a replacement for his regular Mercedes Benz, which was in the garage for repairs."
Here's the google cache link for the article from the "Eye on Thai Press" website - cached news story [216.239.57.104]

Reminds me of this one... (5, Funny)

Barnett (550375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582810)

A Software Engineer, a Hardware Engineer and a Departmental Manager were on their way to a meeting in Switzerland. They were driving down a steep mountain road when suddenly the brakes on their car failed. The car careened almost out of control down the road, bouncing off the crash barriers, until it miraculously ground to a halt scraping along the mountainside. The car's occupants, shaken but unhurt, now had a problem: they were stuck halfway down a mountain in a car with no rakes. What were they to do?

"I know", said the Departmental Manager, "Let's have a meeting, propose a Vision, formulate a Mission Statement, define some Goals, and by a process of Continuous Improvement, Change Management, Re-Engineering and Service Integration, find a solution to the Critical Problems, and we can be on our way."

"No, no", said the Hardware Engineer, "That will take far too long, and besides, that method has never worked before. I've got my Swiss Army knife with me, and in no time at all I can strip
down the car's braking system, isolate the fault, fix it, and we can be on our way."

"Well", said the Software Engineer, "Before we do anything, I think we should push the car back up the road and see if it happens again."

I wouldn't buy a Microsoft-powered car (4, Insightful)

kaan (88626) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582811)

Not trying to troll here, but Microsoft is a company that I simply do not trust. I don't trust them with maintaining my privacy, nor do I trust that they have my best interests in mind. And that's only for computer usage. Why would I trust that their system will always "do the right thing" when I'm in a real-world scenario, driving down the highway at 50 mph? True, I have no idea what role Windows CE (or whatever is used) would actually play while the car is in use, but it's an important question to answer. For myself, you can damn well be sure that I would take some serious convincing before I would entertain the possibility of spending a huge sum of money on a rolling, engine-powered WIndows machine. And even if I'm convinced, who's to say that there aren't serious problems with the design of Windows CE and how it interacts with the rest of the car. Even if it's only used to control the car stereo, I'd rather not have it there. I'll just stick with a nice Toyota or Volkswagen, or frankly any other manufacturer that avoids the use of a Microsoft prodcut as a systems controller.

blah (1)

maxdamage (615250) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582813)

I got this in an e-mail a few weeks ago... but it said somthing about a responce to somthing billy said at comdex

Maybe not so bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582816)

If it's as hackable as the iPaq I'd get one. I'd love to install Familiar Linux [handhelds.org] on my car.

There's no reason to trust MS cars, but..... (4, Interesting)

elmegil (12001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582817)

Those Thai Ministers are a pretty skittish lot.

"We couldn't breathe because there was no air," he added.

I have not yet met the car that was utterly and completley sealed. And there's a lot of air in the passenger space of even a small sports car, and this was a "luxury car". See below for more reasons why, even if it were completley sealed, this is totally stupid. Even if they mean no air conditioning, I can't imagine in the time this occurred it got so hot they couldn't breathe.

To draw attention, the minister and his driver waved frantically at passers-by. The incident ended only after a nearby security guard smashed the car's windows with a sledgehammer.

Even with the heavy-duty tool, Suchart said it took a long time to break the windows as the "glass proved to be very resistant".

The harrowing experience lasted about 10 minutes, he said.

Let's see "it took a long time.... about 10 minutes". What exactly is wrong with this statement? Certainly 10 minutes is longer than you expect for a sledgehammer to go through glass, but even so, that's NOT really a long time. Certainly not enough time to asphyxiate. Can you say complete panic?

BSOYFGTTW (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582825)

Blue Screen of Your Face Going Through The Windshield.

Stop: 0X0000000A (0X00000000, 0X00000002, 0X00000001, 0X80448BF6)
IRQL_NOT_LESS OR EQUAL
Adress 80448BF6 base at 80400000, DateStamp
3d366b8b - brake.exe
Beginning dump of physical facial bones

idrive issues (2, Interesting)

martin (1336) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582835)

Seem to be lots of issues with the idrive system. BMW's answer seems to be 'tough, what do you expect from a first generation system'. Of course this is just what I see from TV/newpaper articles, so it must be true;-)

In other news, try getting a service on an engine management system over 15 years old. Almost impossible. I think I'll go back to carbs :-)

LoL@micro$oft cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582838)

You peeples are are write on teh money. Micro$oft $uck$. (See how I used teh dollar sine to mene "S"? LoL!) omfg, they're cars wood crash three or for tymes a day. rofl! They shood use linux insted. Maybe debian for teh new drivers, or Gentoo on sports cars cause its teh fastest and u can compile it with different opshuns for each type of engine. Windoze and M$-DOG suck i woodn't have them in my car if you pade me lol

this helped me make a decision... (2, Interesting)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582840)

and that decision is to not buy a car made by those companies.
I dont want to die at the hands of Bill Gates.
Windows gets slow after running a few days.
I can see this happening:
I go out to the car one morning, and try to unlock the car... takes 30 seconds to unlock..
takes 30 seconds to start... 30 seconds to brake (CRASH! dead.)
Nice try Bill, But I will stick to a NON-WINDOWS car for now.

The Thai Guy's BMW didn't have WinCE (1)

LumberJack_GSI (141413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582844)

From the CNET news item:
But when contacted by CNETAsia, a spokeswoman from BMW Thailand said the car at fault was a
10-year old BMW 520i that had suffered a simple electronic failure.


I know, literacy is dead - but only the new 7-series & a few 2004 5-series BMW's have WinCE.

Oh no. (1)

evilberg (727678) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582845)

If they start using M$ in cars I'm going to have a hard time at work when i Graduate. And you can't smash the cars when they feel like having bluescreens. I'm going to end up paying for working.

There is a saying... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582852)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it..... ....unless you are in a war and playing trogan horse
MS and The Art Of War on competition

Meaing if MS has their software somewhere, it means the competition isn't there.

But if it doesn't work right, to replace a demon of evil spirits, don't leave a void.

Maybe some Linux companies should prepair a replacement....and stand up for consumer choice.

Re:There is a saying... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582880)

Why does not firebird thru slashdot not allow me to see a preview? Did slashdot do another upgrade?

MS and The Art Of War on competition [sonshi.com]

prior art (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582867)

"If Microsoft Built Cars, occasionally your car would just die on the motorway for no reason; you'd accept this, restart and drive on"

Ford motor company has made cars like this for years and years... there may be a copyright problem here.

I get it now! (1)

stef49 (223595) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582871)

This thai story explains the skeleton in the car parked in front of my appartment.

This just in from 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582881)

Allstate reports that 90% of automobile crashes are due to bad third-party drivers.

Nothing new (0, Redundant)

Pu'be (618443) | more than 10 years ago | (#7582885)

Ohh wow, if ever so often your car shut-off and you had to re-start....it would be just like my car. Sorry I am not "big pimpin'" and I aint got no "Bling Bling" or "Blng Blaow"...I got a old car, it shuts down all the time on me. Luckly I have not been killed. Nothing new, move on!

Blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7582890)

If BMW was half as concerned about it as all the linux fanboys here they would go with Linux, but they didn't, so deal with it.
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