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Finding the Perfect Family Game

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the hungry-hungry-hippos dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 201

kowalski1971 writes "Some poor soul with far too much time on his hands has decided - in an attempt to increase sales at his toyshop - to calculate the formula for the perfect family game. Apparently it is, 0.22a + 0.17f + 0.153n + (0.12c - 0.1g) + 0.1s + 0.09e + 0.06d + 0.054l + 0.05m + 0.011c = pfg ...and which game came out top? Cards. So much for the increased sales then."

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Aces! (3, Insightful)

eaglebtc (303754) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583441)

This is interesting to me because there are a bazillion board games out there, and most of them are overpriced and have limited playability. Card games and their variants are countless.

Go cards!

Re:Aces! (5, Funny)

chimpo13 (471212) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583461)

I'm pretty sure it's Vice City and Carmegeddon. It's nice watching my 5 year old kill cops with his grandfather.

Re:Aces! (0)

Tiny Wolf v3 (680810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583469)

But not one of those games could beat the feeling of kicking grandpa's ass in multi-player Halo.

Re:Aces! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583493)

Yes, and it puzzles me as to why cards is just considered one game, while monopoly appears to be broken down, with Simpsons monopoly taking #2. I wonder why they didn't want to break down cards into individual games?

Re:Aces! (5, Interesting)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583497)

If you want a game where the variations are endless, try Nomic [google.com] , where the aim of the game is to alter the rules. From one of the FAQ's:
Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, and doing it. Even this core of the game, of course, can be changed. (Peter Suber, The Paradox of Self-Amendment, Appendix 3, p. 362)
The game was developed from political science theory as an example - but it turned out to be a lot of fun!

Re:Aces! (1)

zenith744 (210415) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583613)

Sounds like a democratic version of Flux; personally I like Flux for its totalitarian implications.

Re:Aces! (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583659)

I was going to mention Fluxx too, (and it's Fluxx, not Flux, BTW) but I've got the link to the product [wunderland.com] to go with it :)

Re:Aces! (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583620)

Otherwise known as "calvinball".

GWB's trip to Iraq (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583743)

It's kind of disappointing that people seem to regard GWB's "surprise trip to Iraq" (how do you know he really was there?!) as a courageous move.

It's pitiful. Sneaking out like a thief, landing for few hours in an occupied country surrounded by thousands of M1A2s and then flying out on a darkened plane.

Fucking coward.

Re:GWB's trip to Iraq (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583808)

Please just go back to Iran, stay there, and shut up.

Re:GWB's trip to Iraq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583866)

"Iran"?

Oh, you mean the next sovereign country that GWB's going to invade to boost his ratings?

"Shut up"? Like you GWB fanbois would like the thinking population to do? You think that "people who are attacking the president for attacking terrorists" should just shut up? Do you think that should apply next year when we're having elections, too? Oh, but I forgot that liberals and intellectuals are all traitors who should be shot - just like Ann Coulter says.

Since when has it been patriotic to shut the fuck up and do what the "great leader" tells us to do? Fucking neo-con nazis.

I'm telling you: we're going to vote the moron out in 2004. I don't care which one of the limp-wristed democrats wins. It can't get any worse than with this present drooling moron-in-command.

Re:GWB's trip to Iraq (0)

alex_ant (535895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583914)

I'm telling you: we're going to vote the moron out in 2004.
Hahahah not if Diebold has anything to say about it. t|-|3 d3|\|\5 r 0\|\|n3d

Re:Aces! (1)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583901)

C'mon, you're at BYU - aren't you tired of Uno by now? :) You obviously shop in the wrong stores. Let me recommend Settlers of Catan (and the many variants), Tikal, Lost Cities (a card game), ummm...Age of Mythology board game has received excellent reviews.

All the games I mentioned (except maybe AoM) are wife-friendly, and kid friendly for older kids.

Read more about the great games you've probably never heard of at BoardGameGeek [boardgamegeek.com] and get great prices and service at the spartan Boulder Games [bouldergames.com] .

I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583442)

GO LINUX!

Re:I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583557)

i realy luv linuks esp teh gnetoo distibrution its so fast becasue you compile EVARYTHING!!!

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Re:I GOT A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583729)

easy as pie!

War Crimes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583448)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

what is the point (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583452)

this is stupid, the guy is a moron. no i did not read the article..

BTW frist psot! baby

see if it makes it throught the filter

Some poor soul with far too much time on his... (2, Funny)

rhs98 (513802) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583456)

Some poor soul with far too much time on his hands has posted this article?

Re:Some poor soul with far too much time on his... (-1, Troll)

krog (25663) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583555)

not just a poor soul. Michael is a censorship Nazi.

do a web search on Seth Finkelstein if you want details. it's really quite shocking that such a scum is employed by OSDN.

Re:Some poor soul with far too much time on his... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583619)

how true you are sir.

of course without people with "too much time on their hands" this web site would have barely any content to speak of and would probably have died years ago. but boy will you get bitchslapped for saying so.

Simpler formula (5, Insightful)

C17GMaster (727940) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583466)

I notice that most of those factors are vaguely defined at best... "Fun factor?" Get real! As long as we're pulling qualitative numbers out of the air, why not design a simpler system? Perfect Family Game = 1.0g, where "g" is the "goodness level." Practical, huh?

Re:Simpler formula (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583723)

What would probably surprise you even more is that there are in fact, statistical formulas out there that can determine the "fun factor" of a game- which are used by many large marketing and research companies out there.

cards (5, Insightful)

gotem (678274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583470)

"Cards" is not a game
a game is poker, bridge, blackjack etc.
which card game are they talking about?

Which game? (4, Funny)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583499)

which card game are they talking about?

Clearly, strip poker.

Re:Which game? (1, Funny)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583528)

Fun for the whole family! We can even let grandma play!

Re:Which game? (1)

Proc6 (518858) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583569)

Fun for the whole family! We can even let grandma play! -- Dr. Kevorkian --

Re:Which game? (1)

JohnnyBigodes (609498) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583926)

No-no!. I *ain't* playing with my grandma! Nor my grandfather, for that matter

Re:Which game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583607)

I would imagine Family Strip Poker would be a wildly popular in the deep south.

It sure would help with future bride selection...

Re:Which game? (1)

gotem (678274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583631)

in that case "Stimulation" factor was the most important

Re:Which game? (5, Funny)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583744)

No, the formula for Strip Poker is 0.50T, 0.50A.

Toy stores do not sell "games" (5, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583537)

"Cards" is not a game

But it is game equipment. Toy stores do not deal in "games" as such but rather game equipment. A pair of decks of 52 cards can be used for 100 plus well-known games, which may figure into the decision that cards are nearly optimal game equipment.

Re:cards (1)

wthynot (570397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583740)


I recon the owner is looking at it purely from a sales/inventory point of view, so he's only interested in what it rings up as at the checkout counter. He couldn't care less what the customer does with 'em.

Re:cards (1)

wthynot (570397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583868)

Woops--"reckon", not "recon". I don't do much recon these days, actually. But I *do* like to correct my own posts.


Speling is vary impordtent.

BCS (5, Funny)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583471)

Thankfully, his calculations are much LESS complicated than the formulae used to compute the bowl championship series rankings.

Oddly enough, they are also more accurate, and I would be willing to bet that his formula could easily be converted over verbatim, applied to college football, and STILL come out with a better ranking system for college teams than the BCS.

Re:BCS (3, Funny)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583593)

PS. No one here knows what you are talking about. I do think that if they included a saving roll in the BCS formula, then the nerds here would help find the true NCAA champ.

Re:BCS (3, Funny)

yoshi_mon (172895) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583923)

Meh, not totally true. The myth about geeks that don't know anything about sports has it's roots in fact but like many things is more that than anything else. Just a myth.

Allthough I do agree with you about one thing. A 1d20 roll could only help the BCS at this point.

Oh, here's more: (-1)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583473)

Some other peoples with too much time on their hand figured this out:

0,134junkfood + 2,54pcgear^2 + 0,57demoparties^3 / 0,25girlfriend^2 + 0,56IRC = Too much time on our hands

Typo! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583474)

0.22a + 0.17f + 0.153n + (0.12c - 0.1g) + 0.1s + 0.09e + 0.06d + 0.054l + 0.05m + 0.011c = pfgoatee

goatee [goatse.cx] [goatee.cx]

WARNING GOATEE LINK!

Cards? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583484)

Given that his factors include:

N = number of people
S = stimulation
E = engagement
D = duration
L = longevity

I think we may at last have found the source of all those dastardly penis enlargement spams and viagra...

Best selling (4, Insightful)

Tet (2721) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583491)

So much for the increased sales then

Best selling game != best game. Admittedly, the point of this exercise was probably to increase sales, so on that front, it's failed... Also note that his formula reuses symbols ("C" is both competitive factor, and complexity), and he parenthesizes items for no apparently good reason when the operators are commutative. Is he just trying to come up with an impressive looking formula to get a newsworthy story and bring his store some publicity? On that front, he's succeeded...

Re:Best selling (1)

ekephart (256467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583615)

"reuses symbols..."

"for no apparently good reason..."

"just trying to come up with an impressive looking..."


Well the article does say he's in management.

"Mr Eldridge, who is the 'creative manager' for toy shop chain..."

Re:Best selling (3, Informative)

RDPIII (586736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583641)

Is he just trying to come up with an impressive looking formula...?

It's a linear combination of weighted attributes. How unimpressive is that? At least they should show us a list of games together with their attributes and sales rank. Given that information, we could do a least-squares fit (linear or nonlinear) ourselves, and, more importantly, evaluate the goodness of fit.

Justification for trade secrets (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583737)

At least they should show us a list of games together with their attributes and sales rank.

I'm guessing that the information you speak of is proprietary information held by toy store chain W and not released to the public for fear that toy store chain X would use the information to increase X's market share at W's expense.

Re:Best selling (1)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583893)

Also note that his formula reuses symbols ("C" is both competitive factor, and complexity), and he parenthesizes items for no apparently good reason when the operators are commutative.

I think you'll find that is associative not commutative. And lets' be honest, you have drop and awful lot of structure before you can drop associativity. Sure, non-sommutative groups and rings are common (though not for marketing types I guess), but I believe even semi-groups (about as algebraically structurless as you can go before you get just a set) have associativity.

Jedidiah

Since 2 Simpsons games were mentioned... (4, Funny)

da3dAlus (20553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583500)

Marge: Why don't you kids play one of your old board games? When was the last time you played "Citizenship"?
Bart: [looking through games] "Energy Shortage"?
Lisa: "Hippo in the House"?
Marge: Ooh, "The Game of Lent"!
Bart: Ohh, can't we just go to bed?
Marge: It's only five-thirty.
Lisa: Fine, we'll play "Hippo in the House".
Marge: Oh, the hippo's missing.

Ep: Wild Barts Can't Be Broken [snpp.com]

An old truth (4, Insightful)

gxv (577982) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583502)

Good for everybody and therefore probably good for nobody. And if anybody hopes complicated equations will help him pick the best Christmas gift for his nephew he's mistaken. It will be easier to ask.

Puff (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583503)

0.22a + 0.17f + 0.153n + (0.12c - 0.1g) + 0.1s + 0.09e + 0.06d + 0.054l + 0.05m + 0.011c = Daikatana

Yes, I am stressed and I can't let it go.

Re:Puff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583684)

Basic mathematical rules say you can simply your equation down by removing the parenthesized section and collapsing the coefficients of repeated variable 'c'.

So: 0.22a + 0.23c + 0.06d + 0.09e +0.17f - 0.1g + 0.054l + 0.05m + 0.153n + 0.1s is youf simplified equation.

When you look at it in the light of the new equation it's perfectly clear that Daikatana still sucked, unfortunately.

Cards? Not at my house!! (4, Interesting)

tloh (451585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583507)

While I was growing up, my parents thought playing cards were poisonous. We were forbidden to play (or even learn) any card games because they thought it was the first step towards becoming a gambling addict. This was extremely embarassing for me later on in school because in math class, concepts in probability and combinatorics were very often taught using ordinary playing cards. Of course, I had no idea what was going on at first, which bewildered my classmates who had gotten the idea that I was pretty sharp in math. Not a big deal, but it is a minor iritation I hold my parents responsible for.

Re:Cards? Not at my house!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583550)

Well, at least don't do the same thing to your kids.

Re:Cards? Not at my house!! (0, Flamebait)

October_30th (531777) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583598)

Yet another win for religious upbringing.

Re:Cards? Not at my house!! (1)

tloh (451585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583722)

WE'RE ATHIESTS YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!!

Seriously, our family isn't religious at all. No spirituality whatsoever. My folks just don't like certain things. I'm old and wise enough now to know better. It really comes down to personal choice. Unfortunately, you can't choose who you're related to.

Re:Cards? Not at my house!! (1)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583909)

My in-laws, who are 'cracked' (i.e. no longer ranting or practicing) Pentecostals, are obsessed with Euchre. I sometimes mumble 'sinful: drinking, dancing, playing cards' under my breath. It's not considered humorous.

Sigh. When will we learn? (5, Funny)

JonKatzIsAnIdiot (303978) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583511)

Human factors cannot be reduced to mathematical equations.

(Sit down Hari Seldon)

Attempting to do so only results in making you look stupid (like this guy)

What about multiple linear regression? (1)

salemnic (244944) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583551)

I would disagree. Human factors are counted in equations when looking at many multiple linear regression situations using dummy variables.

From here [lancs.ac.uk]

Dummy Variable (in regression)

In regression analysis we sometimes need to modify the form of non-numeric variables, for example sex, or marital status, to allow their effects to be included in the regression model. This can be done through the creation of dummy variables whose role it is to identify each level of the original variables separately.

So you could include human factors, but I didn't RTFA, so I can't really relate it to this situation.

-s

Re:What about multiple linear regression? (1)

JonKatzIsAnIdiot (303978) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583719)

You're right. I was talking about 'soft' human factors like choice, opinion, emotions, mood, etc., although I didn't explain that at all. Statistical data like marital status and sex can indeed be used mathematically.

Re:What about multiple linear regression? (1)

salemnic (244944) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583749)

Oh, my mistake then. Although what about catagorizing it on a scale? That way you could actually associate numbers to it, and numbers you can stick into equations.

This is simply uninformed dribble, and pure speculation, since I don't really know.

-s

Re:Sigh. When will we learn? (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583720)

Human factors cannot be reduced to mathematical equations.
(Sit down Hari Seldon)

Heh. I tried to read the Foundation series, but unfortunately I'd already read enough about Lorenz and Mandelbrot to know that little errors don't just go away if you pick a bigger sample, and subsequently couldn't ignore the major flaw that is "psychohistory" and enjoy the books*. But then again, people do love to think of life as predictable, because whether you sell toys or insurance, nothing is scarier than not knowing what's going to happen to you. :)

* Yeah, I know there are some [zompist.com] who say Hari Seldon himself secretly didn't believe psychohistory in the stories, but then that forces you to accept that a bunch of otherwise intelligent fellows (the Foundation) knew nothing of basic chaos theory, etc.

Re:Sigh. When will we learn - to spell (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583850)

... its Lorentz. Sigh.

Besides, Human Factors (whatever that might be) can of course be reduced in any way one likes. Even in real life. Politicians usually give good examples of scaled down models.

CC.

Re:Sigh. When will we learn? (2, Informative)

at_18 (224304) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583911)

And if you read the series, you discover that the Second Foundation is there exactly for this reason - to costantly nudge the chaos back in the right place.
OK, that's enough of a spoiler...

2 Cs (3, Insightful)

Huge Pi Removal (188591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583515)

Silly bugger's gone and used 'C' twice - first for competitiveness, the second for complexity. And what's with the superfluous brackets anyway? Load of cobblers.

Re:2 Cs (4, Insightful)

hurtstotouchfire (664278) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583806)

You are correct. He also doesn't seem to have provided any kind of list as to how many different games they tested. Is the the top ten or did they test ten?

Also, this formula should really include variables for different people. I know monopoly with my grandfather is a blast, because he's old and cheap and sits on all his money and kicks butt at the end, but monopoly with my youngest cousins can be hellish, because they cry when anyone plays rough.

This should really be more of a function, where you supply 5 or 10 bits of information, and the top 10 list is customized to you.

If you do it just right... (5, Funny)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583517)

a good game of "Twister" will enable you to start your *own* family!

To the moderators (1)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583574)

Forget funny, that comment was damn insightful.

Precautionary note on side of box says... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583647)

"For best results, do not begin game with original family"

**Posted as AC to cleanse myself of that 'icky' feeling**

Play cards, play sci-fi (3, Interesting)

jdifool (678774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583524)

Hi,

with all my respect to the grandpa picture on the right column of the article, what kind of crap is this ?

Two questions :

  • No explanation of the mathematical formula : I assume that the 0.22 coefficient for the age accessibility comes from the fact that the average life expectancy multiplied by 0.22 results in a relevant Human Development Indicator, explained somewhere else on the net.
  • I'd like the scientific staff out there to explain me how they link the Monopoly Simpson Edition to their *elusive* mathematical formula. Really I'd like to know, in other words than the political scheme "family like to have some fun", what ties Homer with decimal multiplicators.
Is this really 'News for nerds' ? I'm not a nerd, but this doesn't sound even like news....

Regards,
Jdif

Re:Play cards, play sci-fi (2, Funny)

mental_telepathy (564156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583639)

I'm not a nerd, but this doesn't sound even like news....

It's the middle of the day, and you're posting your detailed analysis of what appears to be a tongue in cheek marketing ploy to a wesbite for nerds. Might be time for some deep introspection.

Re:Play cards, play sci-fi (3, Informative)

Angry Toad (314562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583718)

Actually it looks like the result of a pretty standard multiple linear regression (link [statsoftinc.com] ). Somebody sat down and gave each game a 1-10 rating for "Fun", "Engagement", and similar nonsense and then fed the resulting "data" through a linear regression algorithm.

Algorithms always give an answer. That doesn't mean the answer makes any sense.

The only reason "Cards" won... (5, Funny)

Rune Berge (663292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583530)

... is because they forgot the ever popular "Cardboard and plastic pieces" game.

Re:The only reason "Cards" won... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583565)

You make nearly the same point made in this comment [slashdot.org] . A particular piece of "cardboard" can typically be used for one game, or a half dozen at most. How many games can be played with one standard 4x13 deck of cards?

Not surprising (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583535)

My family always played a lot of games while we were growing up, and they were almost exclusively card games. The rules tend to be simple, which is a big plus if you're trying to hold the interest of people covering a big age range (60 year old granny along with 8 year old younger bro'). We burned a lot of hours with Uno, Spades, Pit!, and others.

Board games had a narrower appeal. If it was just "us kids" we'd play those, since it seemed the adults weren't interested in the same ones we were. Once we'd grown into teenagers we did find a few everyone enjoyed - Pictionary immediately comes to mind.

Ah, memories...

Fresh joke plz, thx (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583548)

too much time on his hands

Jesus Christ, what IS a worthwhile activity to you clowns? Seriously.

Re:Fresh joke plz, thx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583700)

"
Jesus Christ, what IS a worthwhile activity to you clowns? Seriously."

Mentally masturbating that we are the coolest geeks on Slashdot. Why do you ask? Are you having geek-inadequacy issues? Do you feel that your friends are pointing at you and secretly laughing at your small geekhood? If so, we have herbal remidies that can help you maximize your geek potential.

Simpler formula (4, Funny)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583572)

Actually, the correct formula for the perfect game is:

1 Swedish Bikini Team, sans bikinis + Me = The Perfect Game.

Re:Simpler formula (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583711)

You actually enjoy having a group of hot naked swedish women ridiculing your tiny genitals and throwing rocks at you?

Everquest (2, Insightful)

ekephart (256467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583579)

EQ is the obvious winner. With:
A = age range
F = fun factor
N = number of people
C = competitive factor
G - argumentative factor
S = stimulation
E = engagement
D = duration
L = longevity
M = mobility
C = complexity

While age range is fairly narrow and stimulation, engagement, and mobility are, well, zero, I think N and D make up for it.

N = several thousand
D = in hours? - sigh - several thousand

mathematicians! Bah! (5, Funny)

fermion (181285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583585)

Math is wonderful. You can basically create formulas that may or may not have any basis in reality. This is why in addition to mathematician we have experimental physicists who whack the mathematician on the snout, take their formulations, and subject the equations to a rigorous dose of reality. Clearly someone needs to whack this guy on the snout.

Cards and monopoly are great. The have no noise making annoyances, involve lots of manipulative that occupy the child, and rounds proceed quickly while occupying all players attention. More importantly, these games do minimum damage when the playing pieces enter the inevitable tantrum driven projectile phase.

But Bop It? It is noisy, and hurts like hell when used as a club. Jenga? The point is to frustrate your opponents. This game is great at developing necessary skills, but when the pieces fall, the loser has a great desire to test the aerodynamics of the blocks.

Re:mathematicians! Bah! (3, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583918)

This is why in addition to mathematician we have experimental physicists who whack the mathematician on the snout, take their formulations, and subject the equations to a rigorous dose of reality.

Interestingly it goes the other way too sometimes. The physicists posit a nice theory, then some mathematician comes along and says "sorry, the math just doesn't work that way - it ought to really go like this...". The physicists say "but that's just bloody stupid, reality wouldn't work that way", then go away and test it and find that, oddly enough, it does.

Jedidiah

Clue (4, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583595)

Clue has to be the best game, since it teaches you the best household objects you can use to kill people, as well as helping young children to realize that you should never ask the police for help when solving a murder.

Re:Clue (3, Funny)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583705)

This just underscores what thousands of responsible parents have been demanding for years. We need a rating system for board games, so parents can make informed decisions about the games they let their children play. With new games like this "Clue" coming out every year, it's impossible for parents to keep up. Just the other day, I caught little Billy sneaking up behind me with a plumber's wrench.

Won't anyone please think of the children!

Re:Clue (2, Funny)

Zone5 (179243) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583735)

Just the other day, I caught little Billy sneaking up behind me with a plumber's wrench.

See? It was a learning experience! Next time he'll know to use the candlestick, since it clanks less as you're trying to sneak up on someone. Who says games can't be educational?

Kill Doctor Lucky (3, Informative)

LauraW (662560) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583935)

it teaches you the best household objects you can use to kill people

My favorite along these lines is Kill Doctor Lucky from CheapAss Games [cheapass.com] . The goal is to, um, kill Doctor Lucky (and all the other players) on a clue-like board where there are various implements lying about.

New challenge (-1, Troll)

Neurotoxic666 (679255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583635)

People calculated the formula for "hit songs", now there's "best family game"... Let me try for the "best computer company":

0,00sco + 0,00ms + 1,23bsd + 0,00aol + 1,17gnu + 12,65oss

Re:New challenge (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583930)

Silly frenchie - commas are for sentences, not decimals!

P.S. You are not funny.

a very good boardgame (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583638)

I find to be 'Colonists of Catan' : It's easy to get into from all ages, and is heavily based on social skills amongst the other players.

Re:a very good boardgame (1)

SquirrelLady (133824) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583702)

Yes, Settlers of Catan is a very good game. If you're interested, you can research it as well as hundreds of other board games (including all of the wonderful new European board games) at BoardGameGeek.com [boardgamegeek.com]

Re:a very good boardgame (2, Interesting)

pruneau (208454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583794)

Actually, we bought Carcassonne [gamenight.com] around April this year, and this is a great board game.
It is challenging enough for adults, but a 7-year old can play and have fun.
Give it a try, and you'll understand.

No news here, move on please! (3, Insightful)

heironymouscoward (683461) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583666)

This is just a puff of smoke intended to stimulate Christmas toy sales. The formula is ridiculously over-complex and loaded with unexplained constants. How on earth did this make Slashdot when perfectly good stories (like the one about SCO violations being found on the Moon) get refused?

Re:No news here, move on please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583707)

OVER-complex? It just uses a bunch of linearly weighted factors.

Cards are great! (5, Funny)

crazyhorse44 (242315) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583670)

Sure beats the old-time family classic... "come sit on grandpa's lap"!

Why linear? (3, Interesting)

skeptikos (220748) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583683)

It is funny how people always try to use a linear formula to objectively quantify the quality of things. In a way it is understandable: linear systems are very simple to understand and manipulate mathematically. Unfortunately, sometimes no amount of added terms or tweaking of the coefficients will make it work. Many things are essentially nonlinear and typically, quality is one of them. I remember that in the first engineering lecture I listened to, the professor said:

"Quality means user satisfaction, and in a multicomponent system it is not the average of the quality of the individual components. The overall quality is pretty much associated with the quality of the worst component."

Linear formulas tend not to capture that. A geometric mean could, and it is also simple.

Problem with the article (2, Insightful)

GeckoFood (585211) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583713)

The writer gives a nifty little formula and all, with the constants included. But, what values did he plug in to said formula to get .98 for cards? What are the acceptable ranges of the coefficients? How do you decide which coeffients have more weight than others?

Does anybody remeber . . . (1)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583733)

The card game Predator? Now this was fun, it had violence (the bear could eat the fish, or something like that), education (simple teaching about what animals eat), and entertainment (Nothing like slamming somebody's high level predator with good ol ' DEATH and DECAY).

Cards is a massive category (2, Interesting)

TapestryDude (631153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583769)

Even after ruling out collectible games (such as Magic), the number of card games out there using specialized or modified card decks is virtually endless. Reference: Board Game Geek [boardgamegeek.com] .

Although I love Whist and Hearts, one of my favoriate card games is Mu [boardgamegeek.com] , a trick-taking game (like Whist or Bridge) which uses a modified deck:

  • 5 suites
  • Numbered 0 - 9
  • Cards are worth 0 - 2 points
  • Two trumps per round, decided by bidding
  • Variable (each round) teams
  • Plays best with five

It looks like a kitchen sink game, but in reality every aspect of it is wonderfully balanced and there's room for devious bidding and strategy.

other games (1)

lavaface (685630) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583774)

Pictionary Taboo Scattergories

Drake Equation (2, Funny)

Suit_N_Tie (128024) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583889)

That certainly doesn't look like the Drake Equation to me...

Just barely related... (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583907)

I have to say that my favorite game is monopoly, and this is why (the following story is not for the faint of heart):

At summer camp when I was 12 we were playing monopoly in our cabin. This one kid, Jeff, was being a totally bad sport (accusing everybody of cheating, etc.) and just generally making the game less fun. About half-way through the game he says "I have to go to the bathroom" and gets up, grumbling about how people will probably steal his money or otherwise conspire against him. When he gets up everybody starts to smell what smells like the worst fart ever. Somebody makes a crack about this, "hawhaw, he probably said he has to go to the bathroom because he shit his pants". Then the kid lifts his leg to tie his shoe and out of the leg of his shorts, a mid-size turd plops on the ground. The rest of us all run out of the cabin yelling and screaming like 12 year olds do. After they cleaned it up there was a small circular space on the floor of the cabin that had been bleached so it was a little bit lighter than the rest of the floor.

So yeah, Monopoly's my favorite game because it reminds me funniness of the worst and most humiliating moment in somebody else's life.

Re:Just barely related... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583921)

Mod parent up! Shit-related humor!
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