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DVD Forum Approves HD-DVD Standard

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the profit-margin dept.

Media 333

An anonymous reader writes "Toshiba Corp. and NEC Corp. said Friday that the DVD Forum, an international association of electronics makers and movie studios, has approved the two Japanese companies' standard for next-generation DVDs. It has always annoyed me that DVDs are not the same top resolutions as High Definition TV. Maybe this will fix it." Well, better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again.

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FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (-1)

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Re:FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583771)

wow, that's great !

I've never seen anyone express their futility like this.

Re:FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583871)

He got the fp. You are a dumbass.

Go kill yourself now.

Re:FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583805)

not very funny, are you? you'll always be inferior to trollaxor.

Re:FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583844)

STFU FAG.

Trollaxor and Michael Sims are the same person. Oh, wait, you're a retard and wouldn't know that.

Fuck off and die.

body mod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583874)

How come none of these western body mod people never do that one they do in mogolia with the neck rings?

Where the chicks put rings around their neck that pushed up on their head until their neck is like a foot long!

Seriously western body modders are such pussies.

Long neck chicks [goldenlandpages.com] putting wstern body modders to shame.

Re:FP for the CLIT; humble pie for fakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583903)

Gayest FP ever!

DVD (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583762)

I hope the standards are open to the public and don't need extremly high licensing cocts.

Re:DVD (1)

Mr. Mai (587155) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583816)

Yeahhh and why not allowing free downloads of the movie too.. cmon be real!!!!

Re:DVD (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583936)

I just want to go down and buy hardware and movies and not be continuously beat with a bunch of input power format inconsistencies.
Give me something whose only 'personality' twitch is the shape of the power plug in the country the box is sitting in.
Make it PAL/NTSC/HDTV agnostic, supporting the various major formats for CD and DVD.
What am I quaffing? Absinthe: it makes the tongue grow blond.

That'd be terrible! (4, Interesting)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583824)

Suddenly the DVD industry would have to deal with people stealing movies, like stealing cable. Then all the movie companies would die off, like cable companies have, and the DVD would be as extinct as cable!

Ironically, if they make the standards open, they can export powerful enough crypto to prevent cracking.

Re:That'd be terrible! (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583862)

well that does hardly matter since vhs already killed the movie producers...

err...

Re:That'd be terrible! (1)

jest3r (458429) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583879)

well increasing the data size five fold every few years is a good way to curb piracy ... DVD-R's are already too big for broadband unless you got alot of time on your hands. imagine trying to trade HD-DVD-R's ...

Re:That'd be terrible! (5, Informative)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583984)

DVDs are not too big for broadband. MPEG-2 (DVD) can be converted to MPEG-4 (Xvid, DivX 5x or whatever) more than ^1/4 size but little reduction in video quality (and hey, AAC audio is on many Kazaa'd .AVIs, MP3'd audio is not awful).

So on a entry level broadband (512kbps) I can dl an almost DVD quality movie in 3 hours (no extras, but extras suck compared to the finished product).

DVDs (DVD-Rs being writable DVDs) can be reduced to VCDs with a few bells and whistles. there is not much scope for size-bloat to prevent size-reduction and pirating.

In HK (used to live there) you could buy _legal_ VCDs (menaing guaranteed quality, recoursability, etc) of the latest DVDs a month after DVDs hit the streets at only US$3/movie. HK has a lot of piracy, but this policy benefitted the legal distro channels and originating studios a lot.

Re:DVD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583834)

Heh... I wish I'd saved a mod point for this. :-)

Re:DVD (1)

saden1 (581102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583857)

I guess they are trying to kill China's new EDV initiative before it gets started.

Re-buying (5, Informative)

freeweed (309734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583763)

Well, better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again.

Toshiba/NEC's standard is fully backwards compatible with the existing DVD standard. What this means is, unlike Blu-ray, you can watch your old movies on the new players. No need for re-buying, unless you're bored :)

Re:Re-buying (2, Informative)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583779)

But your old stuff will not be in high definition video. You have to rebuy to get the new super high def video.

Re:Re-buying (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583800)


Blech. First the SuperBit DVD releases. Then all of the Collector's Editions. Now to toss out my top-o-da-line Sony DVD player. Bastages!

Re:Re-buying (4, Informative)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583885)

Don't forget: you will need a new TV too. Otherwise it will just down converting it all to 480i.

Re:Re-buying (2, Insightful)

Shaklee39 (694496) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583900)

Soooo what is your point? You think all video media should be able to make itself better when a new standard comes out? You will still be able to watch the old dvds as clear as they were when you bought them, however, now when you buy any new movies you can grab ones with higher resolution.

Re:Re-buying (5, Funny)

Fortyseven (240736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583783)

I think they mean, repurchasing all your favorites in the new higher res format...

Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope: The Super-Hyper Fighting Edition: Directors Cut: XTREME Really Wide Screen High Definition Rerelease ULTRA-EX2

Re:Re-buying (3, Interesting)

NoodleSlayer (603762) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583830)

Well I think a number of the movies I have therw wouldn't even be a point to buying a high-rez version because the source video isn't that good quality, especially some of the older stuff, so as long as the new players can play the 'old' DVDs should be much of a problem.

And this include Star Wars and practically every other movie that was made before the mid 90s. I look at a number of my DVDs and I can see the film grain on them because of the transfer from the source material, putting these in higher rez isn't going to change that.

Re:Re-buying (-1, Offtopic)

Fortyseven (240736) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583863)

We demand LARGER GRAIN!

MORE ASBESTOS! MORE ASBESTOS!

----
As an aside, this post had to be reedited multiple times because of this lovely new 'feature' that someone thought would be a good idea here on the ol' site:

"Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted! Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING."

Who's lame, now? *stabs site*

Re:Re-buying (1)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584004)

Not only that older stuff. Of the few DVDs I've bought American Psycho (Loin Gate Studios) is the worse... grain everywhere.... and this was only made about 3 years ago!

MPEG-2 sucks unless it is done well.

Re:Re-buying (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584024)

Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope: The Super-Hyper Fighting Edition: Directors Cut: XTREME Really Wide Screen High Definition Rerelease ULTRA-EX2

I've heard Greedo shoots at a sensitive, non-violent Han, misses, then chokes to death on a jalapeno popper. Han never has to dirty his hands on a dirty, dirty gun.

This really doesn't make sense though (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583833)

I know i already posted here to clarify a previous point but this is a totally different point.

Why does Blu-ray prevent you from playing other new movies? No matter what the new standard is for the new dvds you still need the old laser to read older dvds as does current dvd players for cds. I know that blu-ray can be more expensive then this standard because production of dvds here can be done with older equipment according to the manufacturers but no mention of the new laser being able to read the dvd format.

Re:This really doesn't make sense though (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583938)

Also with time I would not be surprised if we had tuneable lasers. This would allow total compatibility with the older generation of disks.

Re:This really doesn't make sense though (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584009)

Blu-Ray uses a cartridge to hold the discs. I imagine that if it had caught on you could get caddies like the ones that old CD-ROM drives use, but maybe not.

I'm really disappointed that it was not selected. DVDs are fragile enough in terms of potential for damage by scratching. HD-DVDs will probably stop being readable if you breathe on them or handle them without wearing protective gloves.

Someone will still complain (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583764)

"I have to buy my entire movie collection again". Yeah sure, if you always want the best quality available.

But why would that make your current collection "look like crap"? It's the same DVDs you've been watching (or rather, collecting) since the beginning.

Re:Someone will still complain (1)

EABird (554070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583950)

I have to buy my entire movie collection again

Buy..... Again?!?!?!?.....

Re:Someone will still complain (1)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584008)

I wondered about that, too.

I've burned a lot of VCDs in the last five years. I guess I could reburn 'em all as DVDs if I wanted to record all those Simpsons episodes over again.

But really, I enjoy some music that's recorded on 78 RPM platters. If you're going to obsess about the 'quality of the medium' you'd best off just get out your credit card and wave it furiously at anybody who'll take your money. No point in sitting down, relaxing, and enjoying the actual program content.

Movie rentals (4, Interesting)

ajuda (124386) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583767)

Is anyone thinking that it would just be cheaper to go to block buster every time you want to watch a moive, instead of buying DVDs? This way you won't have to buy the extended version, the super extended version and the director's ultra extended version as each comes out. As if that wasn't enough, they obsolete each format within seven or so years? Bah. I'm going back to renting!

Re:Movie rentals (4, Interesting)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583782)

Blockbuster wants to drive the sale price of DVDs down to $5 and abandon the rental business altogether. The publishers are reluctant.

Re:Movie rentals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583809)

Blockbuster wants to drive the sale price of DVDs down to $5 and abandon the rental business altogether. The publishers are reluctant.

Please site references.

Re:Movie rentals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583864)

DVD ripper + DvD burner = 5.99 for a DVD.

Isnt technology grand?

Re:Movie rentals (1)

Baron_Yam (643147) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583796)

I buy used DVDs at around $10-$15 Canadian, or the price of two to three rentals. So, if I watch the movie more than three times before the media fails, I've saved money, right?

Re:Movie rentals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583878)

uhmm.. yeah if you only watch rentals 1 time.. and you obviously dont care about new releases.

Re:Movie rentals (5, Funny)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583810)

Never underestimate the power of being able to make a midnight bathroom run, then suddenly get the desire to watch Office Space on DVD at 3:51am, in your boxers, looking like crap, with no money in your wallet, and no ambition to find/venture_out_to a 24/hr rental store.

That's the real value of owning the DVD versus renting it.

4 hours on the can? (5, Funny)

Prof. Pi (199260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583835)

...make a midnight bathroom run, then suddenly get the desire to watch Office Space on DVD at 3:51am,

So you decide to watch a movie after spending almost 4 hours taking a dump?

Instead of buying DVDs, you should buy some laxatives or Metamusil or something.

Re:4 hours on the can? (1)

uberdave (526529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583843)

Either that or move the TV into the bathroom.

Re:4 hours on the can? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583887)

>Either that or move the TV into the bathroom.

Done, and done! (no, really - it's a widescreen 7" LCD, with wireless access to the main DVD player)

I won't tell you the "bonus" part about this setup... But it involves a particular type of movies. ^_^

Re:4 hours on the can? (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583895)

Sounds like he might have piles of problems if he doesn't.

Re:Movie rentals (0, Troll)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583838)

I thought that several years ago, which is why my DVD collection is so small. I rarely watch a film enough times to warrant buying it. I guess I'm just not enamoured enough with Hollywood's offerings.

A few years back a friend of mine bought in to the whole DivX thing (no, not that video codec that crashes your Windows box). He loved it. For the price of a rental, he got to keep the disc. If for any reason he decided to watch something again, then it was cheaper and easier to use the pay per use (well, IIRC it was). He had a big collection of discs he wouldn't have considered buying normally due to the retail prices. Too bad DivX died - I guess CompUSA wasn't a big enough company to push it through.

Re:Movie rentals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583925)

Hopefully Blockbuster's selection has improved, I haven't rented a movie in two or three years. With DVD's I usually end up watching many of the special features, particularly the audio commentary. By the time actually watch both the DVD and whatever extras I want to watch, the movie was usually late or I'd run out of time and not watched everything I wanted to watch. So instead of dealing with the late fees, time constraints, and generall annoyance of having to return the DVDs, I just started buying them.

Re:Movie rentals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583943)

Bah. I'm going back to renting!

There may be a happy medium here. You can keep buying the ones you REALLY want to own, and just rent and burn (to DVD-R, (s)VCD, whatever) the others.

Re:Movie rentals (1)

mikewas (119762) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583983)

Except they give you only one DVD from the set. The one with the grungiest resolution.

Re:Movie rentals (1)

derF024 (36585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584034)

Is anyone thinking that it would just be cheaper to go to block buster every time you want to watch a moive, instead of buying DVDs?

Except that renting a (new) movie from blockbuster costs about $5, plus, if you're even a few minutes late returning it, they charge you as if you had rented it again. You can buy a DVD from their "previously viewed" section for as low as $10. There are usually tons of new movies in the previously viewed section of the store because they need to buy 40 copies of it when it first comes out to cope with demand, but once a movie is a few weeks old, they get rid of most of those to gain back the shelf space.

So, no, it's (often) cheaper to buy the movie, even if you only watch it once or twice.

Son of a bitch... (1)

applef00 (574694) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583772)

Now I have to buy 1776 again.

Light on details (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583775)

Storage capacity? Compression format?

Those "details" aren't in the article.

The /. Masturbation HOWTO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583776)

I got these tips from a friend of mine during our weekly LUG meeting. As a public service to the Slashdot community I am now posting these techniques to share with all of you - that is the open source spirit, after all. I found these tips totally tantilizing and I hope you will too. Who ever knew you could have so much fun while waiting for Gentoo to compile!

Melon baller
Buy yourself a rock melon or honeydew melon. Cut a round hole in one end a bit smaller than your dick. Scoop out a little of the inside but not too much. Heat the melon in a microwave (be careful!) and squirt in some baby oil. If you've done it right you'll get a heap of suction when you fuck it. This method comes as close to the feeling of a real pussy or anus as you're ever likely to get! You'll start to get a hard-on whenever you walk past a fruit shop!

A little bonus to add to the honeydew/cantaloupe procedure: On the opposite side of the melon from where your penis enters it, make a small hole with a skewer or small knife, no bigger than a pencil eraser, but reaching all the way in to the "vagina." Wrap your hand around the melon after you insert your erection and put your finger over the hole on the outstroke. Remove your finger on the in-stroke, replace it over the hole on the outstroke. Feels like a mouth going down on your cock, then sucking on it as it draws back. A very nice substitute for a blow job!

Cucumber sleeve
Take a large cucumber and cut both ends off. Using a butter knife or spoon, remove all of the seeds and a little of the cucumber meat so you have a nice 'sleeve'. Adjust to fit the circumference of your penis. Heat the cucumber in the microwave for about 1 to 1.5 minutes. Touch the inside to make sure it's not too hot, it's easy to burn yourself.

Just stick your dick in and start pumping. Spin it around, pump up and down. The cucumber will stay warm for a loong time. It is a little messy though. This is the closest thing to real pussy I have ever felt. In fact, since it's really tight and wet, it feels better than some pussies I've had!

Feel glad
Take a plastic bag, (a little one but big enough to fit all of your cock into.) Get on your knees in front of a bed or couch, and put your cock in the bag, and stick it in between, the crack, of the bed or couch. Push down on top of the bed or couch and fuck the couch, a little lotion or something along those lines works well.

Water safety
Go get a pair of "water-wings" that little kids wear around their arms in the pool to help them float and swim. Blow one of them up as much as you can. (The more air, the tighter the feel.) Take some Vaseline and coat the inside and your cock. Place the "device" between the couch cushions and insert your cock and pump away.

"The Stranger"
Sit on your hand for like 30 minutes until your hand goes numb, then jerk off like a madman. This gives you the feeling that a stranger is doing it for you. You can also put your hand in cold water until it goes numb.

Soothes and conditions while you wank
First find a large aloe vera plant (the leaves need to be at least 4 inches across at the base). Cut a leaf off at the widest part of the base possible. Let it wilt a little so it is soft and flexible. Cut the spikes off (cut just the spikes, not all the skin along the edge). Warm the leaf slightly in the microwave. Cut a slit in the wide end of base (or cut some of the flesh out). Test the inside with your fingers to make sure it's not too hot. Then have at it -- no lube needed.

n00b (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583987)

You clearly havn't been doing this long. I've been having sex with my dog while gentoo compiles for years.

Beta (1)

jptechnical (644454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583787)

Will shortly be announced as the replacement of DVD. And they all told me I was crazy!

No No No Please NO (3, Funny)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583788)

Well, better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again.

Dammit it all to hell. I knew getting into this DVD thing was a mistake.

Are Michael's trollish comments necessary? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583792)

At best, Michael's "rebuying" comment is a trollish comment that deserves to be modded (-1) more than this comment (posted anonymously to avoid Michael's propensity to abuse his editor status and mod bomb / bitch slap my low UID account).

At worst, it smacks of a Luddite mentality that should not be present on, of all places, Slashdot. I find that Michael's presence seriously undermines the more important Slashdot iamge and name branding. Such juvenile and angtsy comments as he posts are an affront to the technical community.

Re:Are Michael's trollish comments necessary? (1, Troll)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583822)

Don't worry, when CMDRTACO dupes this story tomorrow, he'll print something like, "Well, at least my backwards compatible DVDs aren't affected by the new player's DRM!"

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583971)

There should be a combo mod category for funny and insightful.

Re:Are Michael's trollish comments necessary? (0, Offtopic)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583945)

The answer is: No. Michael's trollish editorializing is unnecessary.

Thanks for playing.

Overkill? (4, Funny)

Tiny Wolf v3 (680810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583797)

Games might look much better at higher resolutions, but I'd rather not be inspecting the pores on Keanu's nose when I want to watch the Matrix.

Re:Overkill? (3, Funny)

psychogentoo (582658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583823)

I'll be too busy inspecting Trinity's pores.

Eeek the whole process all over again (2, Interesting)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583798)

Now that all things dvds (players, rom drives, and even burners) are affordable priced we have to go through the process all over again. Looks like i'll have to wait another few years for an affordable dvd burner that does this new format.

Re:Eeek the whole process all over again (1)

freeweed (309734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583902)

Or instead of frustrating yourself by always being on the cutting edge, you could just buy what fits your needs, TODAY. Not "what will I need in 5 years". Not "what will the neighbours have in 6 months". Today.

It's not like if you buy a DVD burner tomorrow it's going to stop working all of a sudden. Besides, once this new format is affordable, you'll just be repeating the whining cycle, because there will be an even better, more expensive format out there.

Re:Eeek the whole process all over again (1, Interesting)

Tiny Wolf v3 (680810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583955)

But most people won't be so easily converted. DVD is easily a justifiable upgrade to most, seeing how rapdily VHS degrades. HDDVD isn't.
Think about this for example, European DVDs don't even have support for progressive scan yet, and there are extremely few complaints on that.

We won't see this becoming big within a few years, it will take longer than that.

Re:Eeek the whole process all over again (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584016)

if you take that attitude with consumer electronics.. you will NEVER GET ANYTHING BOUGHT, you will be waiting for the rest of your life for that next tech thing to replace your old lp/c64/b&w-tv/mono-radio(if you wait long enough they'll be cool tho).

look, if you need something today, go to the store and buy what's available, priced so that you can buy it and fills that need. the latest tech will never be as cheap as 'yesterdays' high tech.

click (4, Interesting)

Feyr (449684) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583801)

i sure hope they eliminate the "click" you see when the damn thing switches layer in this new format. easily the Single Most Annoying Bug

Re:click (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583855)

Click? I don't see that on my system. On about half the discs, there's a very brief pause. Most of the time it's not noticable. Maybe my Toshiba handles it better than yours? It seems to me that they could speed up the process of switching layers, or add some cache memory. It would probably put the price up though. Doesn't $1 extra manufacturing cost translate to $30 or $40 at retail?

Re:click (1)

ziggy_zero (462010) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583888)

I think by click he meant brief pause or stutter....but yeah, it's not that noticeable, and usually they're good at putting it right in between scenes. I'm sure newer/more expensive DVD players are better at glossing over it than older ones, but I have a pretty old one and it's not too bad.

But it's still better than the old days before dual-layer where you had to flip the disc midway through the movie, eh?

DVDs & HD content (5, Informative)

coldmist (154493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583803)

It has always annoyed me that DVDs are not the same top resolutions as High Definition TV. Maybe this will fix it.

DVDs can hold video streams with resolutions that HD uses. They just can't hold 2 hours of it.

This new format of disk could still hold an mpg-2 file, but have enough capacity to hold 2-hours worth of video at HD resolutions.

It's capacity, not format.

Re:DVDs & HD content (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583883)


FWIW, Joe Kane, video industry guru, had a proposal that could have put full length 720p [google.com] content onto existing DVDs. Didna go no where...

Re:DVDs & HD content (5, Informative)

dmoore (2449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583904)

Not exactly true as far as I understand. The firmware on your current DVD player does not know how to decode higher resolution video streams even if the disk contained them. The DVD-video spec only contains a very small number of specific resolutions that need to be decoded, since the players want to be as simple to implement as possible. Furthermore, the composite outputs on any current player can't be driven higher than 480p, at least not on any player I know of. In order to get higher resolution content, you need to amend the DVD-video spec in addition to increasing the capacity.

DRM? (5, Interesting)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583807)

Maybe I'm getting too cynical, but I fully expect these new formats to have some nefarious DRM scheme. The article in question didn't have any information on it, but I'm sure some slashdotters out there know: What's the DRM like on these new formats?

Re:DRM? (1)

Espresso_Boy (225886) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583836)

If it's anything like CSS was, then we have nothing to worry about :P

Re:DRM? (1)

qaato (514154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583928)

Nah, the DRM part comes into effect when you can't play one format in some other player.

FUCK YOU MOTHERGOOSE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583819)

Hickory Dickory Dock.
My balls fell out of my jock.
I laid them to rest
On some hooker's chest
And paddled her face with my cock.

Just re-process the video (2, Informative)

druiid (109068) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583837)

Why bother re-buying your DVD collection to get the high-res movies, when you can use ffdshow filters to resize the video, remove grain, smooth, etc, which if you set the options correctly can make the video look basically as good as 1080i, from 720x480p source. Keep in mind, though, that you'll need a HTPC system with component out, or DVI to be able to take advantage of this, also it takes a crapload of CPU time, but it's well worth it.

Re:Just re-process the video (3, Informative)

The Salamander (56587) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583858)

Because then you're just watching a 480i movie upscaled to 1080i, instead of a true 1080i transfer.

IMO, Upscaled 1080i is only about 10% better than 480i, as you just can't add detail from nowhere. Its nowhere as good as a real HD image.

Re:Just re-process the video (2, Insightful)

druiid (109068) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583913)

Umm, we're not talking about rescaling 480i input. Almost no new DVD movies, if any, are not progressive video at this point. Usually only first-gen movies are interlaced. As far as quality.. no, you're not adding detail, but when you change the resolution of a video-game you're not really changing the LoD either, but in general it makes the game look better. The filters ffdshow uses are quite impressive as far as video processing, so I believe, from what I've seen, that it comes damn close to HD quality.

Fully backwards compatible (1)

hurtstotouchfire (664278) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583849)

I'm not trying to be offensive or flamebait, but I'd hate to see us waste a nice long comment thread on talking about how annoying it is to re-purchase our DVD collections when that's completely unnecessary as the new players will still be backwards compatible.

Complain about Blu-ray all you want though. They're going to hell.

Incidentally, stating in the article summary that we'd 'better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again,' is pretty misleading. I'm sure we don't need to squawk at Michael for not doing his homework, but it is annoying. Now there will be at least 30 people who will read the summary, not read the article or all the comments, and just post to bitch about replacing their DVD collection.

Re-buying one's collection (5, Interesting)

SmoothTom (455688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583875)

Well, better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again.

Even of there is full backward compatibility this is still something to worry about with most formats.

I have several hundred 12 inch LaserDiscs that still deliver a fine image - but if my player ever breaks they become useless. Many of the releases have never been re-released on DVD, and likely never will.

==
Tomas

Re:Re-buying one's collection (1)

freeweed (309734) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583919)

Even of there is full backward compatibility this is still something to worry about with most formats...if my player ever breaks they become useless.

This is the whole POINT of backwards compatibility! If your old player breaks, no big deal, because the new player can play them.

The reason your LaserDiscs will eventually become useless is due to LACK of backwards compatibility on modern players.

Re:Re-buying one's collection (1)

SmoothTom (455688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584017)

This is the whole POINT of backwards compatibility! If your old player breaks, no big deal, because the new player can play them.

Duh!

I know that, and I realize that this time the new format will be fully backward compatible.

That does not mean that the future is always going to be bright and cheery and that the next upgrade won't be to something wildly different (and not spinning-disc mechanical) and DVD players will no longer be made.

If you hadn't hacked up your quote of my post one could still see I was referring to a far different format as a historical reference, and cautioning that it could happen to any format, even DVDs, in the future.

--
Tomas

Re:Re-buying one's collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583940)

LaserDiscs... wow. I've never seen a laserdisc or player. I have an 8-track though. I bought a boat second-hand and it came with an 8-track. It runs fine (the boat, not the 8-track - I don't have any 8-track cassettes).

Re:Re-buying one's collection (1)

Politburo (640618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584011)

Could you give some examples of titles that you think won't be released on DVD?

Re:Re-buying one's collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7584032)

I had thought about LD discs back in those days but was always concerned about the format being replaced by newer technology and the player breaking down. As we all know consumer electronics are generally non-repairable and rely on you, the consumer, to buya new one if your old thing has gone to hell.

DVD is, in a respect better than LD in that the drives that play the DVDs are easily available for your computer (if you can guess I use my computer to play back DVDs then you are following me on this) - I use a computer in my livingroom along with the Real Magic dvd decoder card - picture is great, I get my DTS sound for discs that feature this and if the drive ever breaks I can always replace it. Everything else stays the same. With the price of computer DVD drives being what they are I have a spare drive in new condition just in case as well as three other computers in the house that all have DVD drives now.

This also does not take into consideration better compression technologies that may allow me to archive all my DVDs to hard drive or other storage media in the future so that I may not even need the discs and players in the years to come.

Redundant hardware was not so easy in the laser disc days, the Beta video days, etc...

For recording purposes (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583882)

I think that the area where "next gen" DVD's will fit in best will be in the recording arena. That is, not home recorders (not yet anyways), but professional recordings.

Think about the massive amount of storage these guys must go through to store (and later archive) the original cuts of movies. If we can come up with a resiliant, high-capacity, versatile storage, then movie studios will save a killer amount of money. Eventually, this can pass onto home editors, as the technology becomes mainstream (hey, look at what you can do at home now Vs 10 years ago).

As a question do, does anyone know what standard original movie footage is "filmed" on? Also, isn't DVD a somewhat lossy format (MPEG-2 based), so probably not good for professional-grade recording yet?

Re:For recording purposes (1)

IM6100 (692796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584035)

does anyone know what standard original movie footage is "filmed" on?

In many instances, particularly older movies, it's 'filmed' on this novel medium called 'film.' Usually on 35mm width film, though sometimes wider.

what about cd's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7583891)

When are we gonna see a medium to replace cd's? For me its not so much that storage capacity -needs- to be increased, but rather id like to have a more portable audio medium. cd's are too big to comfortably fit in my pocket. plus they get scratched pretty easily.

Re:what about cd's? (1)

Jediman1138 (680354) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584005)

Hear, Hear!

I get sick of all the scratches on my giant collection. Lugging around cd's in a backpack sure does suck (Yeah, I'm a student).
I've been wondering what type of medium might replace it, and I've come to believe that the easiest solution (given 3-6 years) would be something like that of a closed-source, non-reformattable memory stick.

I think this could work for a few reasons:

1. Small and I could definately see minimal-size carrying cases being produced.

2. Can hold (by the time it would be a reality) lots of information for a reasonable price. Or, if not, a new compression format could be used.

3. Packaging costs could be reduced since the size of the medium would be smaller.

4. The memory stick could hold other types of information such as lyrics, videos, interviews, interactivites..etc...if a reasonable PC/MAC adapter unit was used or if the player had an LCD.

Well, that's my opinion, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a 15 year old.

Re:what about cd's? (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584030)

There are many alternatives to CDs already. May I direct your attention to: MP3 players (iPod, Zen, memory based ones), MD players, DVD-Audio, and SACD. The two former solve the size problem, the two latter solve the vinyl-sounds-better problem.

Thats nice but ... (2, Funny)

emkman (467368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583894)

I think I'll wait for HD+DVD

Actual Spec Anywhere? (2, Insightful)

benwaggoner (513209) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583899)

It's nice we have the announcement, but this is Slashdot!

Have ANY technical details of the new standard been published anywhere yet? I can't find any public resources I can link to.

what happened to EVD? (2, Insightful)

wep (727980) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583915)

there was a chinese made standard for hdtv capable dvd's like last week.. i guess these japanese companies just got the patents done faster? but evd was made to get away from stupid licenses and fees... oh well

Or we could get lots of cheap used DVD's (4, Insightful)

tie_guy_matt (176397) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583942)

I don't know about you, but IMO standard NTSC is fine for most hollywood movies on most small screen TVs. Maybe if I had a 300 foot monster TV I would want more resolution (Mmmm 300 foot TV! pixels the size of your head!) So I am perfectly happy with my current DVD selection. So when everyone else sells back their standard DVD collection in order to make way for the super duper high res DVD, I will be busy buying up all of their old standard DVDs for a fraction of the cost they paid for them.

Re:Or we could get lots of cheap used DVD's (2, Interesting)

disappear (21915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584038)

Indeed!

I have a projector with a native 800x600 resolution; at its distance from the screen, I've got a 16:9 (ie, widescreen) picture that's got a 52" diagonal.

At that size, DVD resolution (720x480) seems entirely adequate. I get some jaggies on poorly-done title screens, but I use those to help me focus the projector. :-) I don't have stairstep problems or jaggies in the films themselves; I can't remember the last time I saw that.

No, wait, I can: it was when I had the DVD player do letterboxing with the projector set in 4:3 mode. Apparently the DVD player does a better job with that than my expensive Philips SACD/DVD player.

I can't imagine repurchasing films that I own in a new format; I'd likely get a player that was backwards-compatible, and just make new purchases in the new format. Of course, exception for films where the transfer is substantially better --- I bought the original Kubrick box set, when it first came out, back before they remastered them. But I've been considering rebuying that regardless, since the transfers are so awful.

Really, the best thing I could do to improve my picture would be to get a brighter projector; that has far more impact on my movie-watching experience than resolution does. I don't have room in my apartment to have a larger picture, and without that, upping the resolution would be not pointless but not a huge deal either.

yin yang? (1)

scorilo (654174) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583957)

gotta love this duality! blu-ray vs hd dvd, republican vs democrat, etc. it reminds me of that george carlin [totalobscurity.com] rant about how when it comes to cereals, you have almost unlimited choices, but for the important things, your choice is rather limited...

NetFlix (1)

Usquebaugh (230216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583979)

I'll guess I'll wait on the buying front :-)

no collection replacement for me (4, Informative)

TerraFrost (611855) | more than 10 years ago | (#7583989)

Well, better get to work rebuying your entire video collection, again.

i, personally, won't be rebuying my collection. i mean, i bought my collection to *last* me. granted, the media may not last forever nor may the technology to even read them last forever (ie. it may be replaced by something better), but... thanks to DeCSS, the actual content can last forever. i can back it up and transfer it to progressively next generation media for as long as i please, and unlike with analogue copying, these transfers will be the same high quality they were when i purchased them. now, this hd-dvd standard may provide higher quality, but it'll be that much more riddled with copy protection, and blah.

also, for those currious... the name of the discs that the DVD forum approved are advanced optical discs. you can read about it here:
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#3.13 [dvddemystified.com]

A consumer flop (1)

Rick Richardson (87058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584006)

I predict HD-DVD will be a consumer flop for many years. However, mini and micro HD-DVD-R will be a huge success in camcorders.

Never started much of a collection: Thanks Netflix (2, Informative)

FlyerFanNC (112562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584010)

I've avoided buying many DVDs for this very reason, preferring to wait until they match the resolution of HD sets. In the meantime, I have a huge *virtual* collection of DVDs, thanks to Netflix, for only the cost of a single DVD purchase per month.

Why they don't have a universal video standard ... (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7584014)

Why they don't have a universal digital video standard has often puzzled me. It would basically be a digital stream that provided means to specify the pixel width and height, pixel size ratio, scanning method, scanning rate, color plane depths ... and thus support a digitization of everything from standard film frame rates and traditional video standards to high definition TV, and anything in between that anyone wanted to use (and video display devices can convert and/or display quite a wide range of standards these days). I have not understood why it is that they never did something like this until I realized that the people in charge of deciding things like that are not true geeks.

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