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dupe? (3, Informative)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591227)

deja /.

Re:dupe? (0, Informative)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591236)

yup [slashdot.org]

Re:I dupe your dupe claim (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591417)

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Re:dupe? (1, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591380)

beat me to it, it is the exact same article too, I dont' even see it as a segway replacement, it is more of a one wheeld motorcycle because you sit down, don't stand up, and wouldn't wanna use it on sidewalks/etc like you would a segway. I think they are a waste of energy though with gyroscopes having to keep it balanced out and all, I think it is dangerous, impractical and inefficient, just what I think though.

Re:dupe? (4, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591471)

You'd think the editors could actually search their own archives for the word [slashdot.org] "Bombardier" [slashdot.org] or "Embrio" [slashdot.org] , wouldn't you?

Is it really that hard to do?

Jeez, you could write up a script in five minutes that would search a story for company and product names (hint: look for capitalisation) and check to see what other related stories there have been recently. Flag those for the editor to briefly glimpse over before hitting the "approved" button and you've saved yourself 99 percent of dupes.

Again, is it really that hard to do?

meeples. yeah. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591228)

meeples. yeah.

Re:meeples. yeah. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591237)

damn my meeples shenanigans. i definitely missed first post this time. CURSE YOU SNACKS!!!!!!

Embryo is sexier... (5, Funny)

eurleif (613257) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591231)

Yeah, Embryos don't create themselves.

Re:Embryo is sexier... (1)

saden1 (581102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591316)

Canadians will breed and multiple. Soon they will take over the world and Bombardier's Embrio will be the tool they use to realize this.

viva Canada, I mean Montreal/Quebec.

Re:Embryo is sexier... (4, Funny)

mattjb0010 (724744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591329)

Canadians will breed and multiple

and teach English to the Americans.

Re:Embryo is sexier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591398)

i don't know, he seemed pretty canadian to me.

Hope the power supply lasts (4, Insightful)

MacFury (659201) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591233)

Crusing along on a Segway and having the thing die would be bad enough at 12mph. Speeding down the street at 35mph in this thing, only to have it's sensors bust would give you a serious case of road rash.

All the same I bet it's a fun ride.

Re:Hope the power supply lasts (2, Interesting)

cabingirl (671963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591271)

All the same I bet it's a fun ride. I think it looks like it would be hell on the back, since doesn't have back support, and the handrests are kinda puny. Then again, maybe it's a good workout for the abs!

Re:Hope the power supply lasts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591454)

doesn't look like it would be much different than any of the current 'crotch-rocket' motorcycles being sold today.

Re:Hope the power supply lasts (1)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591277)

Yeah, we all know how humans never let their motorcycles tip over at 100mph ...

Re:Hope the power supply lasts (1)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591375)

That's why it has a small front wheel that touchs down at low speed.

Re:Hope the power supply lasts (0)

ryen (684684) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591496)

well hopefully it will have some sort of mechanism that slows you down to a safe speed when dangerously low on power.

DUPE! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591238)

See here [slashdot.org]

why have only 1 wheel? (-1, Troll)

frogsarefriendly (723785) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591240)

Why spend all that energy keeping that one wheeled vehicle up, when you can have two wheels and not have to deal with gyroscopes? It's like using linux, a waste of time and engineering.

Well it's better (1, Funny)

56ker (566853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591241)

than what they called one of their other products - Sea-Doo Speedster 200

from bombadier.com (4, Insightful)

jbellis (142590) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591242)

The Bombardier EMBRIO Advanced Concept is a one-wheeled recreational and commuting vehicle that promises a whole new experience on the road. Aimed at the 18 to 45 age group, this advanced concept prefigures the kind of user-friendly, minimalist vehicles we might be seeing - and using - on our urban, suburban and country roads in the year 2025.
I don't think they're planning on starting mass production any time soon, guys. :P

Re:from bombadier.com (2, Insightful)

56ker (566853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591251)

Yep - the wired.com article agrees with you:-

"The company won't speculate as to when Embrio will hit the market -- if ever."

concept (4, Informative)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591244)

The Embryo is a concept. Until it is realized and a prototype is built, it is as good as any notebook sketch. The numbers quoted for speed are estimates. Given that, it is ridiculous to compare it to the Segway, which is in production.

Stopping distance (5, Insightful)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591245)

I noticed no specs on stopping distance. Just from the physics of a unicycle wouldn't rapid stopping be a problem?

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Re:Stopping distance (5, Funny)

XNormal (8617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591339)

For now though, this Embrio is still in utero-no working model yet exists.

Imaginary vehicles don't have a stopping distance.

Re:Stopping distance (5, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591385)

No problem at all...and a traditional unicycle is hardly a basis for an example. The 'propulsion' is hard-fixed to the wheel, and there is no computer to make split second decisions. Try this for more info... [speedworx.com]

Couple a decent accident avoidance system with an anti-lock disc brake, along with the gyros and the only limit is the adhesion patch between the tire and the pavement. Staying upright is just a matter of not locking the brake...micro-second brake pulses, etc. Or, assuming an electric motor of some sort is involved, you simply backfeed (turn the motor into a generator), and it will do the braking for you.

My sportbike [kentidwell.com] does +150mph, weighs 370lbs and can haul down from 60-0 in less than 120 feet (0 to 60 to 0 inside 5 seconds). I'd bet the Embrio could do better than that, just on less weight alone.

Re:Stopping distance (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591388)

When you stop, a front wheel will go down to provide more support for when stopping, however you do have a good point since this will add to the overall amount of time it takes this device to come to a stop, I guess in the future (2025 like the article says), they will have a better designed road system for these types of vehicles, this is just a proposal for a future transportation system rehaul, it isn't designed to fit in with the present day system I suppose, just like on minority report as timothy says.

MESSAGE TO THE MODS (2, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591414)

Don't moderate on this topic, this is a dupe, and everyone is just copying comments from the previous story to get mod points, I know this sounds stupid, but if I had mod points, I wouldn't waste them on this discussion.

Re:Stopping distance (2, Insightful)

stmfreak (230369) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591439)

I imagine the acceleration and deceleration are limited by the gyroscope's mass and reactiveness.

As a regular motorcyclist, I'd like to think that high-delta-v isn't required for commuting because 99% of the time I don't use it. But I would never give up the potential of a solid braking system with a large cantilevered countermass. There have been moments when it was the difference between life and pain.

Even so, this would be a super cool toy. I hear Bombardier is quite good at making those.

Heavy (5, Interesting)

dj961 (660026) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591246)

If you look at the specs this thing is really heavy, I don't think I could lift 360 pounds so to me it more like a motorcycle then a segway.

Re:Heavy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591295)

I don't think I could lift 360 pounds

Pansy.

Perfect... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591249)

This is just the perfect thing for everyone who already has a motorcycle, and has been routinely frustrated with their inability to donate organs.

Re:Perfect... (2, Interesting)

sevensharpnine (231974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591308)

No, you do NOT do this AC. Read the simple fucking instructions. [anti-slash.org] I know this minor point isn't clear, but AC's are ignored both by preference and habit. If you want to help, log in.

Re:Perfect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591477)

LOL, sorry, next time I will. Sorry about duping all the rest of the score 5 comments here as AC too.

Price... (1, Insightful)

LordK3nn3th (715352) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591250)

Aimed at the 18 to 45 age group

...but the only people who can afford it are wealthy old men with rollercoasters in the backyard and robotic butlers that answer the front door, I'm sure.

Re:Price... (1)

Kymermosst (33885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591458)

As an alternative, you can donate your left testicle and firstborn child as part of the payment. And you will still need to filthy rich to buy one, I'm sure.

Fun design. What's the point? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591258)

The design is really, really cool. But other than that, I don't really see the advantage of this. It seems to give no advantage compared to a normal bike, and has quite a few disadvantages (less space, more complexity). Throwing in a fuel cell-based drivetrain could just as easily (if not easier) be done for a two-wheeled bike as well - and would incidentally be a pretty good idea (with the electric motors in the wheels, you would get rid of the chain, and could have practical two-wheel drive).

Re:Fun design. What's the point? (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591405)

"The design is really, really cool. But other than that, I don't really see the advantage of this."

The primary advantage is a fat profit margin.

--Richard

Re:Fun design. What's the point? (1)

craXORjack (726120) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591453)

Takes up less space, built with fewer parts, therefore less complex, weighs less, therefore uses less energy, uber cool styling. The point is to make a buck and style sells. After all what purpose was there for those mylar tassles that kids used to have sticking out the end of their bike's handlebars and yet somebody sold a lot of those.

Hehe... (1, Insightful)

Bob Vila's Hammer (614758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591261)

I love dupes, you get the opportunity to use other people's comments to achieve mod point heaven.

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yeah... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591264)

Because those segways were selling like hotcakes we thought we'd get in the market too.

It's not even a real country anyway. (-1, Troll)

glomph (2644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591267)

Whadda ya expect from a Canadian manufacturer?

Breaking news! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591272)

This just in, thousands of anti-abortionists are protesting outside of Bombardier headquarters, claiming that the Embrio was meant to stay in the womb.

45? (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591280)

from bombardier.com [bombardier.com] Aimed at the 18 to 45 age group

What happens after 45? Im only 30 and need to know if I need to prepare myself for after 45.

Re:45? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591413)

You're 30? Report to the Sandman at once!

Re:45? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591484)

"What happens after 45?"

you start liking viagra spam

Looks like something Judge Dredd might ride (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591282)

but I can't see it being stable if you have to stop quickly. How would it resist the inertial force of a 200lb person being thrown forwards?

Re:Looks like something Judge Dredd might ride (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591436)

Gyros....regenerative motor circuits...inertia dampeners, computer controlled anti-lock, active tread compounds. No issue....

Re:Looks like something Judge Dredd might ride (1)

dnixon112 (663069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591462)

Gyros....regenerative motor circuits...inertia dampeners, computer controlled anti-lock, active tread compounds. No issue....

At 35MPH it looks like holding on would the biggest issue.

New Jingle (3, Funny)

McCarrum (446375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591284)

All I want for Christmas is my Embrio

Urgh. Now there was an image I didn't want ...

Seen it, thought it was cool but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591291)

I saw this in PopSci about a month or two ago. Personally, I think this is friggin awesome!!!!! But, it's also dangerous as hell. You think it's hard to see a motorcycle, or hell, even a car in your blind spot? How about someone on a vehicle who's helment (if they so chose to wear one) would probably not even get higher than the side window of car. You'd be sideswiped before you got five minutes from your house.

Relax (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591427)

Don't worry...by 2025, active radar, proximity transponders and pro-active avoidance systems will be all the rage. This thing isn't planned for today's asphalt jungle, by any means.

Captain's Log: My Anus is too Fucking Tight (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591294)

One day Captain Kirk was maiming his cock with a horseshoe when suddenly Mr. Spock ran up to him and shoved his pointy ear up his butt. "What is this for!" the fag captain said. "FAGS FOR YOU AALL!L!!!" the ancient alien howled as suddenly he farted and Captain Kirk twirled around in a daze and his foreskin twisted and his kidney stones turned into wooden beads. He pulled out his pistol and shot lasers at his chastity belt and suddenly he hurdled his dick into Captain Kirk"s bellybutton and it tore his flesh while Spock fucked his stomach. Kirk hollered out loud and Mr. Spock threw his shoes to the floor and wrinkled his penis until Kirk bellowed out to make it stop. A maelstom of shit whizzed around the ship and suddenly a giant fag appeared out side and the U.S.S. Enterprise went up his butt. "Oh what the hell have you gotten us into NOW!" Captain Kirk said as he oozed a condom back on his dick and put his panties back on. "OOH!H!!!!!!" Mr. Spock started fucking him again and shoved his phazer up his butt. He dissolved his glands and exploded his turds and finally a queer klingon hurdled through the door and smashed Kirk with his butt hairs. A maniac sucked his dick and suddenly Mr. Spock fagged Kirk so hard that his intestines burst open and he died.

One essential bit... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591298)

From the article: The vehicle is designed as a guess at what transportation in the year 2025 might look like.

This might be pretty darn accurate. The thing that sets this apart from the Segway is one crucial element: Speed. If a Segway malfunctions you're not going wery fast... but with a vehicle like this you're pretty much doomed if there is a serious malfunction. At the very least the car behind you will run you over.

Current vehicles like cars and motorcycles can be stopped safely if you run out of power/propulsion, but something like this has to have safeguards which keeps that from happening.

Back to the whole 2025 thing: In order to make this stuff safe it requires testing, testing and some more testing. An that requires time.

Don't get me wrong... I love the idea, but it has to be done correctly and without compromises.

Re:One essential bit... (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591419)

this has to have safeguards which keeps that from happening.

You mean like the front gear that lowers for stability at low speeds? Should be trivial to force deployment in panic situations, etc. That and a giant airbag that envelops the rider and vehicle :)

ARTICLE INCORRECT (5, Informative)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591302)

It says the Segway tops out at 6 mph. In reality, the number is 10 mph for the P Series and 12.5 for the I and E Series. (source: Seqway Specs [segway.com] .
Get your facts straight!

Re:ARTICLE INCORRECT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591396)

Get your facts straight!

This is Slashdot. There's no need for facts, here.

FUCK A HORSE TODAY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591305)

yes! thats right folks fuck-a-horse its the only way to ride to work, school, or just plain fun on the weekend. This is it one for one and all Fuck-A-Horse, come on join the fun!

Oversimplification (5, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591306)

While the Segway tops out a 6 mph, the Embrio 'hits 35 mph in the learning mode alone.

But this statement fails to mention the main objective of the Embrio's "learning mode": To instill in the trainee using adverse experience why it's a bad idea to exceed the maximum recommended operational speed of 6 mph.

Why? (5, Interesting)

tftp (111690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591320)

So the design is cool, granted. And quite maybe it should have been done, as a design, as an exercise in mad science. Engineers need to relax too :-)

But from the practical POV, this thing is a no-go. Anyone who ride motorbikes probably would agree. The mechanics of braking is none too gentle, and even if your bike has two wheels (and you on top, which is usually the case ;-), it can easily fight the gravity. And if anyone thinks that the riders of this Embrio will never exceed 30 mph, and will never need deceleration more than 1g, for example, they haven't learned a thing about humans :-) Fact is, humans tend to go as fast as they can, and as result they need to stop equally fast too.

Besides, what's the point? A motorbike (or a bicycle as its little brother) is already perfect. It exists pretty much unchanged for how much - 100 years? It's fun to ride, it's reliable, it's powerful (kW per pound ratio is good!), and it's small - so you can park it anywhere. You only shouldn't ride it in winter; but this Embrio is not any better traction-wise.

So again, why? Why exactly two wheels are bad? Why exactly it is so inherently evil to lose power and still be able to coast safely to a stop anywhere you choose? Why it is so bad to be able to brake hard when you have to? Why it is ungood to be able to fishtail on a wet road but still stay up & smiling? There is no such explanation in the article. My guess is, they made it because they could.

But as I said, the design is cool. Hydrogen fuel cell should be used in other vehicles (bikes #included). That would be good for the planet. But one wheel ... leave it for the circus.

Re:Why? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591348)

since its a concept vehical for 2025, they just need to add the bullet point:
Inertia damper.

I can see the marketing slogan... (1)

GrodinTierce (571882) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591323)

"Drive Faster, Crash Harder"

Also, "the Segway tops out at 6 mph", isn't its top speed 12 mph?

Hello?! (0, Redundant)

Nikkos (544004) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591328)

A simple search for "Embrio" in Slashdot's older articles would tell you that this had already been covered on Nov 12th.

You guys spend so much time looking for new things to submit, but you're not willing to take the time to see if it's already been posted.

Quite frankly, I find that idiotic.

Sure, 1 wheel is cool (1)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591349)

...but really, why?

What advantage comes from having just 1 wheel? With 2 or more at least you get built in redundancy...if the electronics fail you have the laws of physics working for you, not against you.

Hmmm...built in redundancy. Sort of like slashdot! bwahaahhah...sorry, it's late.

It's vaporware (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591354)

That's a plastic concept model, people, not a working prototype. To make it work, they'd have to do most of the engineering needed to make it real.

My favorite concept vehicle remains the General Motors Firebird III [conklinsystems.com] . That was a working vehicle. Turbine power. Automatic driving. Joystick steering. Huge tailfins. 1959.

Lack of Design Consideration. (1)

reality-bytes (119275) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591361)

Don't get me wrong, I love concept designs but this one is *really* impractical.

I mean, it only takes a minute of looking at its configuration with the heavy gyroscope package in the centre of the wheel to realise that changing a tyre is going to be monumentally difficult.

Re:Lack of Design Consideration. (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591408)

Sure....like Goodyear won't have a run-flat, tubeless (solid core), long wearing, all-weather, uni-directional compound tire that means you'll wear the seat out first. Hardly an issue.

Wow..Heinlein predicted this (4, Interesting)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591382)

Looks like exactly what Heinlein called "tumblebugs" in "The Roads Must Roll". As he described it "...the size and shape of a kitchen stool, gyro-stabilized on a single wheel." Personally, I think I'll hold out for the flying car.

Article is WRONG (1)

Ignorant Aardvark (632408) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591424)

The Segway does NOT top out at 6 mph. That's just plain wrong, and I would've thought someone would've picked that up before it made the main page.

Anime (1)

cortez (316233) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591434)

There was some anime called "Big Wars" i think that had lots of these things in it... haven't seen it since probably like '95

the wired article shows an older one wheeled bike (1)

frankmu (68782) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591442)

i noticed in the quicktime video from the wired site an old looking picture of a powered unicycle from the 1900's. has anyone seen it before?

and still (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591451)

No one will buy it.

Hey, want to spend some money? I got a "pets.com" mascot I want to sell you. And this IPO I want to release for my new cream soda delivery service. Oh and some $800 office chairs. And this other thing, well, we don't know what it does, but give me some money.

Re:and still (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7591497)

So some dickhead moderator doesn't know what "Redundant" means, evidently.

Buy a dictionary, you witless fucking slob.

And this post is FLAMEBAIT, just FYI, thanks, let me know if you need me to write it in fuckin' crayon.

New Features? (2, Funny)

Hexydes (705837) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591464)

Did they add the feature where people care about the Segway and are willing to buy them?

I think that that's what was really keeping the Segways from taking off. =)

Yeah, give money to that "nice" company. (1)

keeboo (724305) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591478)

Bombardier, is already well-known for its illegal export-subsidies given by the canadian government.
They also don't have problems bullying its competitors (and involved countries) with the little help, again, of the canadian government.

I'm talking about that Bombardier/Canada vs Embraer/Brazil thing.

Click here [bbc.co.uk] if you don't know what is this all about.

Pros and Cons (1)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591485)

I have to say the big downside (other than price obviously) about segways was that at 6 mph you wouldn't get there any faster than walking - which meant, for practical purposes it was only suitable for lazy ass bastards who couldn't be bothered walking. It was not a revolution in means of transport.

As 35mph, on the other hand, you can actually get somewhere. Effectively that puts this in the unicycle-moped range, which starts to look interesting. As people have pointed out, crashing at 35 mph could be unpleasant. Mind you mopeds and scooters routinely run around the city at up to 35 mph without anyone being too terrified. You still want to wear a helmet though.

So it all comes back down to price again - and the question is, simply, how much is this thing going to cost, because you can always get this [vespausa.com] for about $3000.

Jedidiah.

Eee...nani?? (1)

The Spanish Ninja (726892) | more than 10 years ago | (#7591494)

Didn't I see these in Dominion Tank Police or something?

Seriously, it's an interesting concept, but let's say you're cruising at 35 M.P.H. or more, your one wheel hits a patch of ice or something, you go spinning across the road and get hit by a Mack truck. Not such a big deal you'd think, until that Hydrogen fuel cell ruptures. Then...BOOM!!! I think I'll stick to 4 wheels surrounded by a half ton of Detroit steel, thank you very much.
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