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Dusty Disc May Mean Other Earths

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the cosmic-roomba dept.

Space 289

DoraLives writes "According to the BBC, astronomers say they have evidence for Earth-like planets orbiting a nearby star. The star in question is Vega, which is nice and close (as stars go), quite young (also as stars go), and one of the brightest stars in the sky. Apparently, 'Vega has a disc of dust circling it, and at least one large planet which could sweep debris aside allowing smaller worlds like Earth to exist.' Should be interesting to keep an eye on it as the years roll by as the disk rotates and our optical powers keep growing."

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tsarkon fucking reports on a greased up YODA DOLL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603360)

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion!
v 3.95.0
$YodaBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/yodanotes/9steppro cess.sgml,v 3.95.0 2003/12/01 13:25:25 tsarkon Exp $
  1. Defecate. Preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage, pickled eggs, and Vietnamese chili garlic sauce. Defecation could be performed in the Return of the Jedi wastebasket for added pleasure. [homestead.com]
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns. (Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda can use witch-hazel on mouth to soothe the horrific burns from performing so much analingus.)
  3. Prime anus with anal ease. [dimout.com] (Now Cherry Flavored for those butthole lick-o-phillic amongst you - very popular with 99% of the Slashdotting public!)
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of Vaseline and/or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your Yoda Doll [starwars-rpg.net] , Yoda Shampoo bottle [homestead.com] or Yoda soap-on-a-rope [homestead.com] and liberally apply the lubricants to the Doll/Shampoo/Soap-on-a-rope.
  5. Pucker your balloon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in.
  6. Put a nigger do-rag [firstlinemfg.com] on Yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  7. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish Yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because the retrieval mechanism is built in. [homestead.com]
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your Yoda figurine. Be careful, he's big! [starwars-rpg.net]
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All in a days work with a Yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

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Tux is the result after trimming Yoda's ears off so that Lunix people don't rip themselves a new Asshole

What you can do with you ass after sitting on a GREASED UP YODA DOLL. [theadultpress.com]

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- Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Take your ass grease pills and put your helmet on - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Commencing countdown, engines on - Check ignition and may God's love shove up you - Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Shove Up - This is Ground Control to Yoda Doll - You've really made the grade - And the papers want to know whose butts you tear - Now it's time to leave the suppository if you dare - This is Yoda Doll to Ground Control - I'm stepping through the door - And I'm stinking in a most peculiar way - And the ass look very different today - For here am I sitting in an ass can - Far inside the butt - My face is turning blue - And there's nothing I can do - Though I'm past one hundred thousand bowels - I'm feeling very still - And I think my buttship knows which way to go - Tell my wife I ream her very much, she knows" - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you....- Here am I floating in my ass can - Far inside his Moon - My face is turning blue - And there's nothing I can do.

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.


hello.mpeg lyrics.
I'm doin' this tonight ,
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I know this can't be right .
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So now it's time to leave and make it alone .
I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby , bye, bye, bye...

A picture of your ass after YODA. [bmezine.com]

Fresh Booty May Mean Flying Semen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603368)



My Japanese girlfriend likes to fake it 'till I make it!

Re:Fresh Booty May Mean Flying Semen (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603400)

Can I join you??

Re:Fresh Booty May Mean Flying Semen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603459)

My favorite part of "Monster House" was when Paul Teutel Sr. smacked Jesse James in the face with a pipewrench for being a prima-donna. That ruled.

Re:Fresh Booty May Mean Flying Semen (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603521)

Why, yes, my TV does only get one channel!

First "Carl Sagan was a dirty hipocrit pot-smoking hippy who ripped off the only parts of "His Master's Voice" that he could figure out" post!

Re:decode message for important announcement (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603466)

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three-two-one---contact (5, Funny)

ChrisTower (122297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603382)

If it does have an Earth-type planet, it'll probably be inhabited by a bunch of beings that look like my late father... that's barely worth the trip out there, or an hour and half.

to bad we're looking in the past (1, Interesting)

2057 (600541) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603387)

i hate the fact that we cannot see the planets right now and can only see its past. for all we know they are looking back at us on earth back in 5000bc going nope no life.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (5, Funny)

crymeph0 (682581) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603410)

Vega is only 25 light years away, so they'd be looking at the 70's. Of course, once they hear Disco, they'll probably decide nothing of value could have ever come from our system.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (2, Funny)

macshune (628296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603415)

"i hate the fact that we cannot see the planets right now and can only see its past. for all we know they are looking back at us on earth back in 5000bc going nope no life."

no, actually, they'd be looking at us in 1978 and saying "dude, check out the shitty clothes."

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (0, Redundant)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603422)

given that the star in question is ~25 light-years away, I doubt they're seeing the 5000bc-age earth....but they are seeing the late seventies, which may be even more disturbing to them.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603428)

You shouldn't use the bible to construct the human timeline.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (1)

(startx) (37027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603430)

...for all we know they are looking back at us on earth back in 5000bc going nope no life.

Except, if you read the article, it states that Vega is 25 light-years away. This means we're each only looking at 1978. Say what you will about Earth at that time, but there were definately signs of advanced life.

That was QUICK! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603436)

...for all we know they are looking back at us on earth back in 5000bc going nope no life.

Quick! Someone tell Darwin that all this shit only tool 7004 years. From single cell slime to IP crackin' geeks in 7004 years is fast! FAST!

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603454)

Except, Vega isn't 7000 light years away. It's only 25 light years away. They're seeing the seventies. This is an even more frightening thought.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603462)

I kind of doubt anyone there is looking at us right now. From the (somewhat fuzzy) description in the article, it sounds like what we're observing is a disc of dust surrounding Vega with proto-planets forming within it. It was probably several hundred million years after the Solar System passed through that phase before life even got started on Earth. According to currently accepted models of planetary formation, those proto-planets would be pretty hellish places right now; their surfaces will be blazing hot and suffering constant bombardment by other, slightly smaller bodies. Being anywhere on the surface of one would be like being at Ground Zero of a massive nuclear strike.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (3, Funny)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603602)

[...] their surfaces will be blazing hot and suffering constant bombardment by other, slightly smaller bodies.

So...not unlike my ex-girlfriend, then.

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (1)

inteller (599544) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603596)

damn and I thought reruns HERE were bad.....not only do they have to suffer through the same shit we already have seen, but they haven't even seen the Reagan Years (TM) yet!

Re:to bad we're looking in the past (3, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603617)

"i hate the fact that we cannot see the planets right now and can only see its past. for all we know they are looking back at us on earth back in 5000bc going nope no life."

Nar aliens have tachyon telescopes. They can see us in real time. They're watching us sitting around Slashdot and going "nope, no life."

Soon... (4, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603388)

Soon we'll be able to use amazingly powerful telescopes to stare out across the light years and see some one on Vegas planets staring back.

Then the arms race starts.

Re:Soon... (3, Insightful)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603470)

There is a high likelihood that one species is at a much more advanced stage than the other. Most likely, we'd be the more advanced ones (primarily due to the age of Sun and earth).

It would be like the pilgrims landing in the US. Complete colonization one way or other. Not much scope for an arms race...

S

Liberate Vega (1)

notcreative (623238) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603524)

That will teach those Vegan terrorists.

Re:Liberate Vega (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603611)

Vegan terrorists? The PETA? :P

Re:Liberate Vega (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603651)

No, ALF [animallibe...nfront.com], the Animal Liberation Front. True US bred terrorists...

Re:Soon... (1)

jafac (1449) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603728)

Most likely, we'd be the more advanced ones (primarily due to the age of Sun and earth).

not necessarily. Any one of a number of different events in earth's past could have slowed us down, and absence of other events could have sped things up - when you're talking about evolution of life - and then once intelligent life evolved, evolution of culture/technology. I'd say it's a toss-up, either way - with the PRIMARY indicator that they're more advanced being: they have not yet come to contact us.

Re:Soon... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603748)

Cheney/Poindexter in '08!!!



Better than fucking Hillary ClinTOON. That fucking whore needs to eat a bullet.

Re:Soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603551)

"Then the arms race starts."

I don't dude, all those movies with aliens in them, they seem to have pretty big arms, we might be in trouble...

Someone Get Jodie Foster on This ASAP! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603396)

She's the Expert on going to Vega....

SOUTH INDIANS ARE GAY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603404)

I hate south indians because of their dastardly looks and their vile food. People from a sick state called andhra pradesh are the worst.

Exactly how is this a troll? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603451)

MODS ON CRACK.
MOD THIS POAST UP UNLESS UR A FUCKIN C0KSM0KINBITCHTITTY

Please try to keep posts on topic.
* Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads.
* Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said.

Re:SOUTH INDIANS ARE GAY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603512)

I agree with you but I hate all Indians.

a likely story! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603556)

LoL, some indian replaced your lazy arse or something? heh...

No i replaced an indian (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603676)

fuck off. i am better than them. i just wanted what i deserved - 50K. and thats not a lot of money. i dont care what you all say.

So... (5, Funny)

Stile 65 (722451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603407)

Vegans really ARE aliens from another solar system!

I'm off to eat some meat.

Re:So... (-1, Troll)

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There once was a man from Nantucket (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603408)

"They should have sent a poet"

I SUFFER FROM PENIS ENVY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603423)

My mom says so! Can you help me, can you help me please?

MODS ON SMACK COCAINE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603517)

The parent is obviously a "troll". It should be market off-topic. This shows complete disregard for the well-thought moderation system here at /.

Whoever moderated this, please identify yourself and present a public apology.

Thank you.

Re:MODS ON SMACK COCAINE! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603630)

listen you pussy faggot.

the moderation system on fucker dot /. sucks ass.

and moderating "trash" goes only to prove the more you fucking try and stop trolling, the more we want to do it. fucker.

FOAD fucker, FO&D

Re:MODS ON SMACK COCAINE! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603741)

I reject your basis for trolling. You probably troll because you are angry at society. It could be because you are unemployed or were abused by your uncle. Regardless, we frown upon "trolls" and hope that you go away. We want a forum to discuss our ideas and not be the victims of senseless attacks.

I am waiting for your apology.

Thank you.

woah...Carl Sagan was right!!!! (3, Interesting)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603426)

Vega is where the message was relayed to earth from in Contact, perhaps rather than just relayed, it will actually be FROM Vega :-)

Re:woah...Carl Sagan was right!!!! tsarkon reports (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603662)

read the fucking article. asshole. whoa my ass. you fucking dolt. that solar system has proto planets. you want to look for life in a solar system with planets that have fucking molten rock for a surface?

alpha centurai would be a better place to start looking and its only 4 yl away.

where do you come up with this shit? fucking morong.

Another thing to consider: (4, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603439)

The more Earth-type planets we find in our tiny observable radius of the Universe, the greater the statistical probability that others exist where we can't see them.

The likelihood of other meaningful life in the Universe just got better. And I for one welcome the possibility.

Re:Another thing to consider: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603482)

I disagree with your observations. You yourself state in your post "it is very unlikely that little green men would insist in placing a probe in any of my cavities". Then why do you feel that there is intelligent life outside of God's blue Earth? God only gave the gift of life to us and not some silicon-based life-forms.

Don't you agree?

Re:Another thing to consider: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603544)

I don't. That means we can be invaded at any moment by an advanced race. If we are alone, we can't be invaded. Of course we might not be alone, but we might be the most advanced race in the universe.

Re:Another thing to consider: (1)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603548)

The likelihood of other meaningful life in the Universe just got better

I've always considered the likelihood of other meaningful life in the Univers to be a statistical certainty. The problem lies in having that life exist close to us, both in space _and_ time. What's the use in having dozens of close neighbors that all killed themselves off 2000 years ago? Sure, it would give us some interesting ruins to poke around, and archaeology would be cool again, just like in the early 80's. My point is that other life does exist out there. I'm 100% certain. I just hope that it's close enough and alive enough for us to talk to it and sell it stuff.

What's interesting may not be answerable (0, Flamebait)

(void*) (113680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603665)

The previous poster made a valid argument, but yours is just opinion. Opinions are like anuses, everyone has one.


Furthermore whatever the chances of there being life, the chance that there being interesting, contactable life surely must be a more difficult calculation that can only be answered by our descendents. Scientists prefer a valid hypothesis, teatable in our lifetime, compared to whatever interesting questions one can pose. Thus, on this grounds of science, the interesting scenario that you mention cannot be that interesting.

Re:Another thing to consider: (2, Interesting)

Mr. Bad Example (31092) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603623)

The likelihood of other meaningful life in the Universe just got better. And I for one welcome the possibility.

I, for one, welcome our new Drake Equation [seti-inst.edu] overlords.

Not the first, (3, Interesting)

ActionPlant (721843) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603442)

But this certainly seems to be the most promising.

I'm still all about developing a means of getting us out there to explore these places.

Plus, it would certainly be nice to finally find a backup for our planet. You can't tell me there aren't at least a few people out there who have been rather alarmed at all of our recent unexpected solar activity.

Damon,

Contact (2, Insightful)

Necro Spork (260099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603444)

Will everyone else now belive me that Carl Sagan may know more than he is letting on?

Re:Contact (0, Offtopic)

Mosasaurus_Maximus (648830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603557)


Will everyone else now belive me that Carl Sagan may know more than he is letting on?


Eh, you meant knew and was, right?

/fatality nazi

Re:Contact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603564)

>Will everyone else now belive me that Carl Sagan may know more than he is letting on?

He may well, but it's not likely that we're going to find out about it now, since he's dead.

http://www.planetary.org/society/tributes/

Maybe Schmaybe One Billion, Blah (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603446)



Get over it.

Wishing there was intelligent life in the universe does NOT mean there IS intelligent life.

There is NO scientific theory that supports intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

Prove me wrong! I dare you!

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Re:Maybe Schmaybe One Billion, Blah (2, Insightful)

Zone-MR (631588) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603567)

There is no scientific theory that disproves it, so why not?

What makes you believe that you/we are the most intelligent and important civillisation in the universe? The universe is pretty big, and that's a very arrogant assumption to make.

Thanks for your trying: +1 for Effort, 0 Substance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603605)

There is no scientific theory that disproves it, so why not?

I am following standard statistical reasoning by assuming the null hypothesis: There is no intelligent life.

-- You provide statistical evidence to reject the null hypothesis.

What makes you believe that you/we are the most intelligent and important civillisation in the universe?

-- Where in my statement did I state that we are?

The universe is pretty big, and that's a very arrogant assumption to make.

-- The same applies to your presumptions.

Re:Maybe Schmaybe One Billion, Blah (1)

FL180 (687894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603722)

Arrogant? How so? Where is the empirical evidence that we're not the most intelligent and important civilization(s) in the universe? Big != populated.

So far, we're it. Unless something else is actually found. But, oh, that hasn't happened. All that exists on the subjet is speculation and hypotheses.

That's hardly grounds to call someone else arrogant. Bring some facts to the table to support your assertion.

Re:Maybe Schmaybe One Billion, Blah (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603654)

"Prove me wrong! I dare you!"

If we were created through evolution, then the same conditions would very easily exist elsewhere in the universe. If we were created by God, then God is an intelligent lifeform elsewhere in the universe, maybe even outside of it.

You are wrong.

Thanks for a timely reply: Better luck next time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603723)

If we were created through evolution, then the same conditions would very easily exist elsewhere in the universe.

-- Do you have any evidence to support your allegation?

If we were created by God, then God is
an intelligent lifeform elsewhere in the universe, maybe even outside of it.

---Only "If"

Again, Thanks for trying.

You are wrong.
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Re:Maybe Schmaybe One Billion, Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603706)

>There is NO scientific theory that supports intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

By assuming it isn't true, you are being willfully ignorant. Whether you are proven right or wrong, your journey there is by no means admirable.

>Prove me wrong! I dare you!

You cannot possibly be proven right. Your battle is never ending, unless you lose.

Terrestrial Planet Finder Links (5, Informative)

js7a (579872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603455)

Until we get good stellar-occluding interferometers and coronagraphs, we can't be sure. Once we get those in place, it becomes possible to determine the atmospheric composition (i.e., O2, H2O, N2, etc.)

Here are Terrestrial Planet Finder links at:

Life imitates art (1, Insightful)

lildogie (54998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603472)

Vega was the source of the extraterrestrial signal in Carl Sagan's "Cosmos."

Re:Life imitates art (2, Informative)

DeadVulcan (182139) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603542)

Vega was the source of the extraterrestrial signal in Carl Sagan's "Cosmos."

You mean "Contact," surely. And unfortunately, although it was the source of the signal, the system itself contained no life. So I don't think we can draw any parallels here.

Re:Life imitates art (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603684)

I thought it was the first relay that had the city on the near by planet, not the second. if it was the first, Vega had life.

Re:Life imitates art (1)

Bagels (676159) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603576)

Not "Cosmos," "Contact," as everyone else on Slashdot has been quick to point out. "Cosmos" was his excellent little science-education show on public television, as well as the book that accompanied it. PBS here in the US still airs it occasionally.

Hmmm (1)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603475)

Sounds like somebody just got the "Contact" DVD on sale.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603699)

I sat through that whole movie to see the alien, and it was her god-damn father.

Oh (1)

MasTRE (588396) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603479)

> Dusty Disc May Mean Other Earths

I thought this referred to my pr0n collection on CD.. It's been gathering dust. Never realized it may mean other Earths!

That's really not very funny (1)

SaraSmith (602197) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603753)

Simply mentioning porn and spelling it wrong on purpose is not humorous at all. I'm sure you have plenty of porn though, good for you.

Come up with something funny to say along with your porn that has almost nothing to do with the subject at hand next time.

Personally, I don't keep porn around. Just download some more from newsgroups or something.. why look at the same stuff over and over again? It's not like there's any real content to porn, just pretty pictures. Move on to new stuff... Keep things with content, like books and movies.

we should get Seti to begin transmiting directly (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603485)

at vega for a few days, then in 50 years or so, we will know if some one heard us.

Well, I for one... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603487)

...welcome our new Vegan overlords.

If astronomy was any other field of science... (2, Insightful)

bigHairyDog (686475) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603489)

... they'd be laughed off the stage.

Seriously, there's a chance that a big planet might have cleared enough space so as to not preclude the existence of a planet the same size as ours

CALL THE PRESIDENT! THE ALIENS ARE COMING!!

Obligatory Beavis and Butthead commentary (-1, Offtopic)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603494)

Dusty clumps around Uranus

You said Uranus... Heh Heh Heh...

Dusty Disc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603509)

A dusty disc may result in skipping or failed reads... but I don't think that even all the dust on all the discs in the universe could make an entire Earth...

Stunning (0, Redundant)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603519)

allowing smaller worlds like Earth to exist

It's certainly a relief to learn that our planet actually can exist.

more likely... (1)

Insightfill (554828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603525)

by the time we can see anything appreciable in the system, we'll actually BE there. These changes take place REALLY slowly, and we'll all have evolved into "pure energy" beings by the time anything firmer than a large dust-bunny is in place.

Ok, ok people, no Aliens... (4, Insightful)

JamesP (688957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603534)

Apparently everybody is thinking of earth-like planets and stuff. Sorry, but NO.

1 - Vega is 25 light-years away. That's around the corner and "today" in astronomical terms

2 - Carl Sagan picked Vega not because of planets, but because there were none, just a bunch of dust... There was a RELAY there, not aliens...

3 - The news actually said about process that could happen; a balance between a dusty ring and an outer planet...

Contact Smontact! I have my space suit, will trave (4, Funny)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603538)

I am SO depressed that all the /. crowd can come up with are lame Contact references.

YOU CALL YOURSELVES GEEKS! DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY!

Vega, as ALL REAL GEEKS know, was the home of Mother Thing of Robert Heinlein's "Have Space Suit, Will Travel".

And if they are watching Earth circa 1978, we'd better be damn thankful they don't rotate us 90 degrees just on general principles!

Dusty Disk Man May Mean Other Earth (1)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603572)

This is what I read the title as, and was very confused when this story wasn't the least bit about how a dusty diskman could somehow be the cause of parallel dimensions. Let me tell, I was excited about this research, and now am quite disappointed.

Vega (2, Funny)

Malicious (567158) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603585)

Now all we need is Jodie Foster to point all of her radio telescopes toward it, and we'll be having corporate sponsored alien space travel devices in no time.

Vega is too big and to young (4, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603594)

The article suggests that Vega is only 350 million years old. Moreover, at about 3 times the mass of the Sun, the lifespan of Vega will only be about 1 billion years. Given that it took about 3.5 billion years for life to get going, it seems unlikely that planets around Vega have (or ever could have) interesting lifeforms, even if an Earth-like planet is present.

Probably not "finished" terrestrial planets yet... (4, Interesting)

Birger Johansson (416220) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603595)

-Since the Vega system is very young, any terrestrial planets will probably not yet be in a "finished" state, but will still be busy accreting smaller planetesimals- for the Earth, this initial process might have taken 30 million years. Also, any such planets will not have finished differentiating into a core, a mantle and a crust.
If you send a probe there, it will not be able to find a cool surface on any of the larger planetesimals (growing proto-planets).
The Vega system is interesting because it provides a snapshot of the early phase of planet formation.
If you want to make a "Star Trek" style tour of a system, landing on the planets and checking for the presence of life, you need to find a more "mature" system, where the planetary crusts have had time to cool off, and where most of the orbiting debris has alredy been swept up by planets.

One other interesting point about the Vega system though: It is bound to have an amazing number of large, highly visible comets ! In mature systems, most comets have either been kicked out to the Oort cloud or crashed into a planet.

Yours Birger Johansson Sweden

I'd really be a hardcore vegan... (0)

Princess Firefly (530989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603601)

If there's a habitable planet in Vega and I manage to get myself there, I'd be the most veganist vegan around.

Some of my ovo-lacto vegetarian friends could come with and thereby gain "vegan" status without giving up cheese pizzas.

and as the action unfolds... (1)

baneblackblade (682424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603646)

be interesting to keep an eye on it as the years roll by as the disk rotates and our optical powers keep growing. Oh, okay. I'll just go grab my telescope, and a bottle of root beer. oh wait... better make that an ocean of root beer...this could take a few thousand years.

Sloppy definition of "Earthlike." (4, Interesting)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603687)

This article is a little misleading.

By Earthlike I believe they mean terrestrial; a rocky world, as opposed to a gas giant.

Other known terrestrial worlds include baked-out Mercury, greenhouse-wracked Venus, and dry, cold Mars. Most people would not consider these "Earthlike" in the Star Trek Class M sense of the word.

That said: Even given the existence of terrestrial planets, Vega isn't a great place to go looking for a habitable, life-bearing world. It's a bright, hot star, which also means that it is a short-lived star. In a few hundred million years, when its potential planets begin to cool to the point where water would condense, Vega would be getting ready to wander off the main sequence and get way unpleasant to be near.

Another strike against life developing on Vega worlds: a greater percentage of its energy output would be in "bluer" wavelengths, including UV. Once it got started, life might adapt to UV, but to get started in the first place it needs some stability. I can see a influx of UV ripping apart delicate chemical chains in Vega Prime's oceans, greatly reducing the chance that life would get a foothold.

All this said, this is hopeful news, because the existence of one planet-forming debris field means there are probably others . . . some around more genial F and G and K class stars.

Stefan

1970's signal from vega ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7603692)

I seem to recall, for some reason, that there may have been some radio signals that were recieved from vega in the 70's. Maybe that was just the end of Neuromancer though...ack.

Earth is a proper noun.. (2, Interesting)

Suppafly (179830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603744)

Earth is a proper noun, no amount of dust is going to result in other earth's. Maybe earth-like or m-class or whatever you want to call them, but other earth's doesn't make sense in the same way other solar systems doesn't make sense.

Another One? (1)

hao2lian (726435) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603761)

If I remember correctly, there's been at least a couple of articles discussing Earth-like planets already. So who's keeping an archive on these? And should they really generate anything besides human interest news? Much of the planets in our solar system still has not been explored thoroughly.

And later at 11... (1)

Aardpig (622459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7603762)

... more information regarding the Vegan Orbital Fort discovered in the dusty disk, including a panel discussion on whether it is heading our way, and what we're going to do if it is.

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