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Australia's Largest ISP Redefines Spam

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the don't-tell-all-your-friends dept.

Spam 304

cpudney writes "According to this article in NEWS.com.au, Telstra BigPond, Australia's largest ISP will monitor its customers' e-mails and suspend the accounts of users suspected of sending spam, viruses or denial-of-service attacks. Under changes to its Acceptable Use Policy, BigPond will investigate cable and ADSL Internet customers sending more than 20 e-mails in a 10-minute period, and BigPond management "may suspend the (user's) account while the customer is contacted" if they are suspected of sending spam. Previously, BigPond's definition of spam was held to be 400 messages sent over a 15-minute period and now it's changed to 20 e-mails over 10 minutes. Internet Society of Australia president Tony Hill said BigPond's new definition of spam was very restrictive and he was concerned the limit had been set too low for legitimate e-mail users."

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304 comments

Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615849)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers.

MOD PARENT UP, MOD STORY DOWN,MOD YOURSELF FAGGOTY (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615864)

Oh telstra you dorks (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615856)

That's going to make life fun for my parents who use Bigpond, and type all their emails offline.

Log on, send 30 or so emails in 2 minutes, and log off.

Then wonder why they can't email again next week.

Re:Oh telstra you dorks tsarkon reports (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615908)

Your parents are stupid fucks like you. Those stupid fucks dont need to email anyone. So fuck you. Fuck your parents. Fuck Bigpond, only less than you, fuck your emails. And fuck your timeline, your little human ways, your earth year. I am Igniknot and we are here with the wolfen and his razor.

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion!
v 3.95.0
$YodaBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/yodanotes/9steppro cess.sgml,v 3.95.0 2003/12/01 13:25:25 tsarkon Exp $

  1. Defecate. Preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage, pickled eggs, and Vietnamese chili garlic sauce. Defecation could be performed in the Return of the Jedi wastebasket for added pleasure. [homestead.com]
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns. (Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda can use witch-hazel on mouth to soothe the horrific burns from performing so much analingus.)
  3. Prime anus with anal ease. [dimout.com] (Now Cherry Flavored for those butthole lick-o-phillic amongst you - very popular with 99% of the Slashdotting public!)
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of Vaseline and/or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your Yoda Doll [starwars-rpg.net] , Yoda Shampoo bottle [homestead.com] or Yoda soap-on-a-rope [homestead.com] and liberally apply the lubricants to the Doll/Shampoo/Soap-on-a-rope.
  5. Pucker your balloon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in.
  6. Put a nigger do-rag [firstlinemfg.com] on Yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  7. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish Yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because the retrieval mechanism is built in. [homestead.com]
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your Yoda figurine. Be careful, he's big! [starwars-rpg.net]
  9. Gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Think about snoodling [urbandictionary.com] with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you don't check the (desired - speaks English) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black and Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE is better than SCSI because you can't afford SCSI. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate Windows but use it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who aren't fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a Yoda voice and saying, use the force [toysrgus.com] , padawan, feeel the foooorce [toysrgus.com] , hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach [lemonparty.org] , a dick half as big you will not have. [toysrgus.com]
All in a days work with a Yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

I HAVE A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!

GO LINUX!!

Tux is the result after trimming Yoda's ears off so that Lunix people don't rip themselves a new Asshole

What you can do with you ass after sitting on a GREASED UP YODA DOLL. [theadultpress.com]

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- Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Take your ass grease pills and put your helmet on - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Commencing countdown, engines on - Check ignition and may God's love shove up you - Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One, Shove Up - This is Ground Control to Yoda Doll - You've really made the grade - And the papers want to know whose butts you tear - Now it's time to leave the suppository if you dare - This is Yoda Doll to Ground Control - I'm stepping through the door - And I'm stinking in a most peculiar way - And the ass look very different today - For here am I sitting in an ass can - Far inside the butt - My face is turning blue - And there's nothing I can do - Though I'm past one hundred thousand bowels - I'm feeling very still - And I think my buttship knows which way to go - Tell my wife I ream her very much, she knows" - Ground Control to Yoda Doll - Your circuit's dead, there's something wrong - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you hear me, Yoda Doll? - Can you....- Here am I floating in my ass can - Far inside his Moon - My face is turning blue - And there's nothing I can do.

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.


hello.mpeg lyrics.
I'm doin' this tonight ,
You're probably gonna start a fight .
I know this can't be right .
Hey baby come on,
I loved you endlessly ,
When you weren't there for me.
So now it's time to leave and make it alone .
I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby , bye, bye, bye...

A picture of your ass after YODA. [bmezine.com]

Re:Oh telstra you dorks tsarkon reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615964)

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Re:Oh telstra you dorks tsarkon reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616002)

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Shouldn't be a problem in that case (5, Informative)

KU_Fletch (678324) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615982)

They're only going to investigate those people, not disable their accounts. If they look at it and see that they sent legitimate messages because they just pop on to send e-mail, they'll be find and their ISP will move on. At least this should make the net big enough to actively catch spammers eariler.

Re:Shouldn't be a problem in that case (1)

cyril3 (522783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616033)

You mean some poor sod at Telstra is going to check the email habits of the 1.5 million old age pensioners who log on for two minutes a day to send 30 emails, download their 30 email messages from their friends and then log off.

He wi;; be very busy.

Re:Shouldn't be a problem in that case (1)

Trixcomp (729127) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616058)

Goodness, isn't that a waste of employee resources... digging into someones personal things. or do they have programs that search for it?

Re:Oh telstra you dorks (1)

mallumax (712655) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616059)

Looks like they will be "monitoring" those accounts which sent more than 20 emails in 10 minutes. No need to get paranoid about that. But will they be invading the privacy. Suppose they suspect some mail to be spam will they be using a spam filter or they just pick up a mail in random and read it(assuming the no of accounts which send 20 emails in 10 minutes is less ..or else reading is not an option)

Re:Oh telstra you dorks (2, Insightful)

halowolf (692775) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616131)

Dear me! Since when has email actually been private...? I mean when I encrypt mine there is some security but the majority of mine still goes out plain text for the world to see...

There are so many steps along the way to sending and delivering email that if you were concerned about privacy, then don't use email, or start encrypting it...

To say nothing of (2, Funny)

FearTheFrail (666535) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616096)

When I'm sending e-mails to my disproportionately large extended family while drinking cans and cans of Red Bull.

This does seem a bit restrictive. (5, Insightful)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615866)

I hope they at least contact the user before shutting off service. I can think of many legitimate reasons to send 20 e-mails in 10 minutes. My adress book has many times that, and sending a CC to a fraction of my adress book would trip this.

Re:This does seem a bit restrictive. (4, Insightful)

Liselle (684663) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615985)

Might be over-reacting. I RTFA, and it's peppered with "mights" and "maybes". I'd wager that hitting the limit of emails in a certain time period is only going to make them put a magnifying glass on you for a while. They have access to enough information to ascertain whether you are sending legitimate emails or spam, that's for sure.

As a side benefit, this will help them help their customers that get hit with email worms... some people may not even know they are spamming, no?

Re:This does seem a bit restrictive. (3, Interesting)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616094)

I think that an email with a bunch of addresses in the CC: line is just one email. The more valid example is of people that compose off-line then send messages in a big burst. Except that local phone calls are a fixed price in Australia, so who still does this?

I hope there are some other triggers for this system, for example: Sending more than 20 email in 10 minutes The first time you log on to a new account would probably be more suspicious.

(Also, I think the comparison to /.'s two minute wait before posting is a very valid one.)

As a network professional... (2, Insightful)

the man with the pla (710711) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616135)

I can tell you that contacting users before shutting them off is a very bad idea. It's very frequent that a user will have wrong contact info on file when you go to contact them...any time you try to wait to contact them you're almost always just delaying for the sake of somebody who knows nothing about their computer except that how to use word...for the sake of what! Notification == waste of time, 16 years experience agrees with me.

Oh GNAA? Can I join, oh can I? Pwetty pweese! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615869)

I mean, I'm gay and a nigger, too. Just look at me, I need a good cock in my ass [flexonline.com] right now.

seems fair (-1, Flamebait)

havaloc (50551) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615871)

Seems like a reasonable compromise to help eliminate spam. If you are sending out more than that, you probably should pay for a commercial account of some kind, or a mailing service.

Re:seems fair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615984)

didn't think this one through, did you....
imagine you want to send a party invite to 20 friends... well, according to you, you're now in need of a commercial account..
Back to clown-school you go!!

Re:seems fair (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616112)

Seems like a reasonable compromise to help eliminate spam. If you are sending out more than that, you probably should pay for a commercial account of some kind, or a mailing service.

I smell a troll here, but I'll bite anyway.

"Reasonable?" I guess you don't run any mailing lists. I'm the webmaster for the local homebrew club [alfter.us] . Some of our members opt to not have dead-tree newsletters mailed to them; instead, they receive notification in the mail that this month's newsletter is up on the website. I use a throwaway shell script and Mutt [mutt.org] to send notices to the 30 members on the list. If Cox were to impose such a limit, I would end up hitting it once a month.

(FWIW, my "home" cable-modem service is actually business-grade (grandfathered from before they started using DOCSIS for residential service) and I run my own mail server on it. Nevertheless, there are plenty of other legitimate reasons why somebody might fire off a smallish quantity of messages...for instance, somebody might send a change of address to everyone in his address book.)

Honest question? (1, Offtopic)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615872)

Who here sends 2 messages a minute for 10 minutes? Do you treat e-mail like IM, or something? I am honestly curious.

Re:Honest question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615891)

Sure, my GF and I treat email like IM... all the time. We probably exceed that limit every day. It's way too low to be reasonable.

Re:Honest question? (1)

captaink (589612) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615909)

I used to with my girlfriend until I got MSN Instant Messenger allowed through our proxy at work. This is going to be a big issue for those not so fortunate. I suppose this will force people to move to other providers for such email, eg. hotmail or yahoo mail. This does raise an interesting question however, will they be imposing these limits on people who use their mail system via the web interface? Or just users who go above their limits via SMTP.

Re:Honest question? (0, Redundant)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615927)

Why was this moderated -1, Flamebait? That's a bit OTT. Too bad their isn't an option +0, Naive. ;)

Re:Honest question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616074)

looks like you haven't learned the rules around here, mr uid 1751.

Re:Honest question? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615958)

anyone who writes them offline..
or has a bunch of friends they're emailing at once.
or a keeps a mailinglist..

you know, normal(consumer) users of internet would do that. exactly the one's who will not understand why their email is being blocked...

.

Re:Honest question? (4, Informative)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615997)

I can send 20 messages in 10 minutes. I usually check my email at 7 AM when I get into the office. Many times its emails like "Can you update this item on my webpage". At the end of the day, say about 4PM. I will reply to these messages with a simple: Done, you have X hours of tech support left this month and I can send out 15 - 20 in 5 minutes easy.

400 in 15 minutes, yeah, that looks odd and should be checked into. 20 in 10...that's not too hard.

Re:Honest question? (1)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616133)

Mmmm.... not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with you, but, natural logical flaw...

Why is it "odd" to send 400 in 15 minutes, but not odd to send 20-60 in that same time period? The numbers are all totally arbitrary, it's just that yours is 60 and "normal" and the original limit happened to be 400.

Granted, I understand implicitly what you're saying: they're not allowing for "odd looking but unsustained spikes" such as offliners or batch responders (like yourself). Best to explicitly point this things out in the original post though, lest you inflame the logitechnicality geeks like me :)

Re:Honest question? (1)

llamaluvr (575102) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616006)

I am a teaching assistant for a programming class at a university. Most of the questions I recieve in email from students can be answered in about a minute. If I get 11 questions, and I answer them right away, then...

Re:Honest question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616098)

Programming, eh? You teach HTML? Whatever it is, it is obviously not a language that uses math.

Re:Honest question? (2, Insightful)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616057)

Who? People who type e-mails offline. People who have a bunch of messages in their Outlook or Mozilla "outbox" and then go online. Messages get sent and they get fucked under this new system.

Re:Honest question? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616060)

How many people do you know who like to forward anything and everything to everyone in their address book? It's not spam, but one message often has more than 20 recipients. The question is, are they counting messages going out, or destination addresses?

Re:Honest question? (2, Insightful)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616158)

This IS spam in my opinion. My favorite one is some friends that e-mail me the same thing over and over. Basically it goes like this...they see it, they send it, they forget about it then they send it again and repeat. Honestly...how many times do I have ot see sea life form the seal of the United States?

Re:Honest question? (1)

MrLint (519792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616075)

I know a State University of NY school that turned off all person to person communication on the VAX. They were using email as IM.

Re:Honest question? (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616104)

An earlier poster mentioned composing offline, and sending in a batch. That sounds a bit odd for someone on broadband (which the blurb says are the only accounts that will be monitored) but maybe it happens? An alternative would be to throttle the sending. IOW, you can queue up 50 messages, but they will only be sent from telstra at the rate of one every thirty seconds.

Re:Honest question? (1)

TwistedGreen (80055) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616136)

I've done that before.

Re:Honest question (2, Funny)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616149)

I opened a super-sized can of worms with a (NULL, Dumbass) of a question... damn brain cramp...

Re:Honest question? (1)

theparanoidcynic (705438) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616150)

Email? What's that? :p


I don't even check my email on a daily basis anymore. Everyone's email has been spammed into oblivion to the point that it's unreliable. I'm better off calling. (Email may be free, but I can call Ireland for an hour for less than a cup of coffee costs me.)

I can see it now... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615873)

... oh, this user (who happens to download over 5gb per month) sent 11 emails in 21 minutes, what a... a... a... *spammer*! Disconnect their account!

They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (3, Interesting)

thona (556334) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615875)

Never had to answer 20 emails? Great. Just hope you are online all the time and not coming back from a trip or something, where some emails may have acumulated in your outbox. 20 emails is VERY low - I am now going on a three day trip, and I can bet I will have 40-50 outgoing mails in my mailbox when I return, just waiting to hit our email server. So, with their definition I would be in trouble. WHOW.

Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615931)

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Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (2, Insightful)

KD5YPT (714783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616021)

I think they mean outbound mail. Not inbound. Inbound means you got spammed.

Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616066)

he is a stupid dumb microsoft fag with a fraudulent company what the hell do you expect?

listen to fat ballmer
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Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616081)

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Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616109)

" So, with their definition I would be in trouble."

Only if you replied to 20+ of them within the alotted time. Frankly, I don't think I could do that on purpose, let alone through casual email use.

Frankly, I don't see what's so bad about this. Not only would it make spamming harder through that ISP, but it'd also cut down on the damage caused by somebody who's machine is infected with a maliscious worm.

I think there are better ways they could approach this, but I'm not ready to knee-jerk into thisisevilville.

Re:They are nuts - what about regular POP clients? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616148)


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Got my pennies saved so I'm a sugar daddy
I'm her Hume Cronyn, she's my Jessica Tandy, I want candy!
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Do it to your daddy, embarass your own family
Just 'cause you came in front of a kid and his candy
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Don't care if it's nutritious or "FDA approved"
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Releasin ancient demons from a sleep forever spell
So they can walk upon the earth - And get resituated
And hawk the diet pills that MC Pee Pants have created

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Time Scale Too Small (5, Insightful)

Josuah (26407) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615877)

Why is BigPond trying to identify a spammer from just 10 minutes of traffic. Or even just 15 minutes? I would think it would be much better to have a metric like 1000 emails in a single day. Or 10,000 emails over a week?

I can very easily go through 20 emails in 10 minutes just because I might be having one of those back-and-forth email conversations. I don't know if I could do 400 in a 15-minute period, unless I was running a mailing list (well, which I do, but that's why I use "personal" business ISPs).

This sort of metric just seems extremely silly. Is someone putting pressure on BigPond, or is one of their executives being an idiot?

Re:Time Scale Too Small (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616023)

I agree, if they kept the same ratio, and pushed it out to say 12 hours: ie: 1440 per half day.

That would avoid people with occasional burst, while making it uneconomical to run a spam business.

G'day Mate! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615882)

Crikey, look at this spam! Now watch as I wrestle the spam to the ground and stick my thumb up 'is butthole!

Slashdot style (4, Funny)

GQuon (643387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615884)

Great..a slashdot style limit on time between posts.
Now Telstra's customers are just missing the lameness filter and the moderation. The occasional dupe happens in email allready.
Hm. There's a chance a lot of my work on Healthcare Informatics would be modded -1 Redundant and never reach my professor.

Ha! (1)

Scaz7 (179078) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615887)

Ha!

Don't worry, knowing the 'reliability' of Telstra this system will most likely crash and in one month be completely dismissed and forgotten about because the people in charge of this taking care of this will probably be the next people to be layed off...

This is just another effect of spam limiting real users (again), unfortunately we're probably going to be the one to get screwed over out of all of this.

Well at least there trying.

Execpt when it takes a user 4hrs to get in contact with a telstra bigpond techo to get his account reenabled. As if sitting on hold for 1hr on average isn't long enough....

Come on now (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615890)

We know Australia is all a bunch of criminals, we should just expect that even 1 piece of email per hour is probably spam or scam.

Might be a good start... (4, Informative)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615896)

I couldn't tell from the article exactly how they were counting 20 emails (cc's or bcc's count? groups count?). But the fact that they monitor by email sending rate seems interesting. I think adding just one more step to that process could make it really useful.

1) Monitor all sources of emails in which large numbers are being sent over a short time period.

2) Allow a central repository for people to report which emails are considered spam. Once that amount reaches a certain threshold...

3) Connect the dots, you get a spammer.

Telstra BigPond was Largest. Will Others Gain Now? (1)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615900)

Ok. Great. Let's say I have an indie band with an (e)mail list of people who have said they wanted me to let them know about the upcoming release, tour dates, and mechandise info. Let's say my band is actually good and there are a few hundred people on this list. Let's say I use Telstra BigPond.

Looks like I'm looking for a new ISP.

Re:Telstra BigPond was Largest. Will Others Gain N (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615963)

Umm... no, that's when you realize that if you regularly send email to a large list of people, you should set up a real mailing list with majordomo or similar (which doesn't go through your ISP's SMTP server unless your ISP blocks port 25). If you aren't able or willing to set up a server for this purpose, you could do something like a Yahoo groups list or similar.

Now if they block port 25 and then do stuff like this... well, there's always the Yahoo groups sort of thing. Alternately, just get them to reactivate it. If you show that you're sending legitimate mail, one would assume that they'd make sure your account doesn't get deactivated again in the future (assuming they're even halfway competent).

Re:Telstra BigPond was Largest. Will Others Gain N (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616014)

I recommend SwiftDSL [swiftdsl.com.au] . I've been a happy customer for 6 months now. So happy I bought $1500 worth of their shares last week. Given the way Telstra is screwing up, and the brilliant service I get from Swiftdsl, I figured they couldn't be going anywhere but up.

Sure, as of last week this a completely biased email, but I really am one guy who was so happy he bought the company (well 0.0001% of it at least).

I would have commented on this story sooner... (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615901)



...if not for Slashdot's 2-minute delay policy.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615902)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615913)

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9/11 NEVER FORGET!!!!1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615960)

ON TEH SPOKE!!!!1

I'm relieved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615914)

Our software team is only comprised of 19 people.
If it were 20 we would be in trouble we contacting by mail !

Re:I'm relieved (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616008)

Learn to write, cocksucker

Re:I'm relieved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616103)

Learn HOW to write, faggot

Re:I'm relieved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616115)

Learn to punctuate, faggot!

Sigh... (0, Redundant)

TroyFoley (238708) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615917)

Ok, just send out a little note to my students that I'm gonna be gone on monday and...

cc: student1@asdf.edu; student2@asdf.edu; studERROR ACCOUNT SUSPENDED

Well then... guess they'll just have to figure that one out on their own.

etcextertaiunnuiIUNLUUN (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615919)

penisnt97bTBI&R

What if? (1)

H8X55 (650339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615925)

What if I just send one e-mail every ten minutes and carbon copy 1000 people?

Ah, yes, Aussies. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615936)

An Aussie was marooned on a desert island. His only companions were a
male dog and a female koala. The dog and koala hit it off, and for a
year the Aussie could only sit and watch while the dog humped the
koala senseless.

"Lucky bastard!" thought the Aussie, "I could do with a good shag
myself. "

One day a beautiful naked blonde was washed up on the beach.

"Hi. I'll do anything you want me to," she said to the Aussie.

"Great!!! At last, after all this time!!! Take the dog for a walk,
love, while I shag this koala."

This policy may be very hard on the company... (1)

Spl0it (541008) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615937)

lets assume everyone of its users sends out around 25 emails sometime on monday within 10minutes to their friends/family/co-workers. If they suspend all the accounts, what kind of hell are they setting up for themselves?? yikes.

Re:This policy may be very hard on the company... (1)

zerogeewhiz (73483) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616019)

It's the only way to avoid a repeat of their recent email outages. Typical Telstra. Rather than hit the people who do the damage, they just hit everyone who sends more emails than my Mum.

Stupid (2, Interesting)

Uma Thurman (623807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615945)

There's no reason for this. All an ISP needs to do is institute a policy whereby if someone is caught spamming, the cleanup charge is $20,000. They already have their credit card, all they need to do is charge it.

Re:Stupid (2, Insightful)

cyril3 (522783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616077)

A credit card with a $20,000 limit.

Even if I was stupid enough to apply for one I don't think theres a issurer who's stupid enough to give me one.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616132)

All it takes is good credit. I had a credit card with a $27,000 limit when I was 25. I only made about $30K at the time, never carried a balance and never had a bill higher than $2K.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616166)

Why the fuck would you do that? A ridiculous limit you could never pay if you got to.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

More slashdot sensationalism (5, Informative)

Steve 'Rim' Jobs (728708) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615946)

Quote:

Under changes to its Acceptable Use Policy, BigPond will investigate cable and ADSL Internet customers sending more than 20 e-mails in a 10-minute period, and BigPond management "may suspend the (user's) account while the customer is contacted" if they are suspected of sending spam.

It doesn't say anywhere they they will suspend your account if you simply send 20 emails in 10 minutes. All it says is they may investigate users who do, and may suspend their account upon further investigation. I really don't see a huge deal with this, and there isn't any plausible reason to get angry with this policy if it is followed properly.

Wait and see (5, Informative)

SEE (7681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615956)

It's not like there's an automatic suspension for exceeding the limit. They're just advising that 20 in ten minutes is the level that now prompts them to look more closely at. If they aren't stupid about it, it shouldn't be a problem.

Admittedly, that's a big if, given that it's Telestra that we're talking about, but . . .

Mailing list servers (3, Insightful)

charvolant (224858) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615962)

This is going to be a bit of a problem for people running things like majordomo and so on from
their home linux boxes.

If things have been set up to use the ISP's mail servers as relays, which you might do to save on bandwidth, it's going to get sticky. (Or does one message with a trillion addresses count as one message?)

20 in 10 minutes.... legit users are screwed (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7615970)

I act as a class rep. for the technical program I'm in at school. I often have to send out information via the class email list... of 24 people... Hmmm... I'll be investigated for each email I send out to the list ?

PDA users? (0, Redundant)

lpret (570480) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615971)

I have a PDA and when I come home and it syncs up, it sends all the emails I've written during the day. Am I a prime target now?

This is WAY too restrictive! (0, Redundant)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615977)

People writing mails offline, people sending out christmas letters, people that send out small newsletters (there are 1000's of them!) all will be considered spammers under this policy. This policy is not unreasonable, it's downright tyrannical!

Stability of their email (2, Funny)

a.koepke (688359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615986)

Oh this will be brilliant.

Picture this: Telstra Bigpond email systems die again (just give it another week) and you cannot send out your email. You have 20 messages in your outbox waiting to be sent. Finally their systems come back on-line (for now) and you send all the emails only to get flagged as a spammer and denied to email again.

You end up back where you started.

This won't be good for Bigpond customers... (5, Interesting)

Kulic (122255) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615988)

One of my uni lecturers uses Bigpond as his ISP. He also has his uni email accounts redirected to his Bigpond address. He had problems a while ago when Bigpond went down. He normally accepts assignments via email, but everything sent to him got delayed a few days. Thankfully he accepted assignments which had been sent to him on time, otherwise a lot of people would have inconvenienced.

This lecturer also has other responsibilities (I won't go into detail here) which require him to him to send out newsletters to all of the students in our department, plus international committees and a large number of university staff. We are a small department, but still have ~100 students. Sending out a student newsletter would trip the new email limit. I don't know how he's going to get around this from home (obviously he can send it using our uni mail server when he's at work).

Just another example of Bigpond not being up to scratch these days. I personally use a competing ISP, and have never had a problem. I don't know how Bigpond is going to keep its customers with shit like this.

SpamCop paying $30K / year to fight DDoS attacks (5, Insightful)

JeffMagnus (133746) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615994)

It's been reported that SpamCop is paying upwards to $30K / year for bandwidth as a direct cause of the continous DDOS attacks on it.

The spammers are doing everything they can to squeeze the anti-spammers out. They use frivolous lawsuits (aka Mark Felstein and his porn spamming backers) or DDOS attacks that either knock the anti-spam resources off completely or increase the costs so that no hobbyist can run them.

And while all this is going on, the law enforcement agencies are doing nothing to counter the clearly illegal acts of the spammers.

And ISPs are doing NOTHING to reduce the number of zombies on their networks. So the DDOS attacks continue.

Nice going.

It's only a matter of time when someone (Al Queda?) will use the zombie network for something that will truly be noticed.

Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers

Damn them. (1)

BBSOD (163401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7615995)

Damn these corporate giants! I propose we set up a petition so spammers that use Telstras services can complain about this obvious injustice and unacceptable change in services. Just post your name and home/work address and a representative will contact you shortly.

Also as Australia's most expensive ISP this should only effect the wealthy, the ignorant and unlucky (as in some regional areas you get little choice). This should exclude most us anyway.

Re:Damn them. what a freekin lune tune tsarkon (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616048)


Man for your first comment in a long ass time if ever, you sure an an idiot. I propose that if you could propose anything you wouldnt be mentally masturbating on Slashdot, the biggest cesspool of loser pukes and worthless assholes ever.

What the fuck are you talking about? He mister bigg stuph, if you know what people want start your own big isp and "be fair" with email policy.

Its a fucking opt in service and you bitch. You whiney, stupid fucking bitch. Why do you whine? you should shut the fuck up.

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Australia SPAM redefined (0)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616012)

SPAM = beer = Foster Australian Beer

Article reliability (1)

tgt (599351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616013)

How reliable is that article ? Can it be the case that we are supposed to discuss the outcome of Ms. Dudley's 10 minute meeting with some Telstra's authority ? Like "uh-huh... spamming... blocking... sending a lot of messages... ok, thank you...". I doubt if the article actually reveals any technical details, because a decision like the one described is simply stupid.

That's good (1)

hdparm (575302) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616034)

People will find various reasons to complain, I'm sure but this should definitely cut the amount of spam.

In addition, they would do the right thing if they implement filters like my ISP [xtra.co.nz] did recently. Filter works and comes with no extra (NPI) charge.

Spam (0)

the_real_rs (727832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616039)

I think its a great policy. All isp's should do this. then maybe just maybe we can have 1 spam in our inbox a day.

Re:Spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616090)

Sounds nice but unfortunately, a large number of spammers run their own mail servers, use relaying mail servers (not their own), and a host of other methods of sending out spam. ISP's alone would not be the answer.

Grumpy old man' (1)

LittleBigScript (618162) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616045)

In my day we didn't have fancy smancy email. We sent messages by shooting old people out of cannons with messages written on dry, combustable paper. And we liked it!

I think.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616046)

that's wrong. Or else I will be a spammer by their definition. Yet I am just a regular joe doing my email duties. Where is the justice?

Voting with my wallet (1)

Heartz (562803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616069)

Well, people have the option of voting with their wallet and taking their money elsewhere. Australia has tonnes of ISP. Bigpond imposes ridiculous limits, I move to Optus [optus.com.au] and if they screwup to Blue Planet [bluep.com] .

Vote with your wallet people.

Isn't this rather pointless? (2, Interesting)

GabrielStrange (628884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616100)

Am I missing something?

I have an SMTP server running on my computer. I set it up a few years ago mainly to try to see how good a handle I had on how SMTP works, and I've continued to make use of it mainly so I can create my own Email aliases and help curb the amount of spam I get and keep track of its "real" origins... But setting it up was very little trouble for me. I grabbed a copy of sendmail, compiled it, spent a few hours figuring out how to configure it, registered an MX record with DHS International [dhs.org] and that's it... It's running. DHS was a free service the first few years I was with them -- now they charge me $5 per year.

For a brief period my ISP was filtering access to the SMTP port on my residential address, which meant I couldn't receive messages using my SMTP server... But I was still using it to send them out with no trouble! But at some point I contacted them and told them that I only want to have it running for my own usage, just to help curb the amount of spam I get, that I won't be giving anyone else accounts on it and that I understand how relaying works and have correctly restricted it... And a week or two later my SMTP port became accessible again. (Hopefully they actually reviewed my usage logs and tried to relay something through me before they did this... I'd hate to think they weren't careful.)

Sooooo... If I had no trouble setting up my own SMTP server, isn't it reasonable to assume that any halfway intelligent spamming organization would do the same -- set up their own server, then use that server to send out their spam, and avoid giving their ISP the chance to easily monitor their messages' content?

So isn't this really a more or less completely pointless violation of almost always legitimate Email users' privacy?

Shucks (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616102)


How can my Warhol virus harvest its entitled 15 minutes of fame, if they pinch it off after 10 minutes?

Not about Spam, about using Spam to gouge (4, Insightful)

child_of_mercy (168861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616111)

This isn't about stopping spam, serious spammers don't use their own accounts, they relay off others.

What it will sneak through under the cover of Spam hysteria is the following.

1) It will force budget business users onto more expensive corporate accounts.

2) It will stop people batching their email correspondence to miminise online time which in turn will reduce peak load on telstra and also bring in more money.

3) Less nasty but equally beneficient to Telstra it will allow them to stop worm riddled machines bogging down their email servers (Telstra are facing massive damages over the near collapse of their email infrastructure and associated business losses).

won't last (1)

kiwi_damo (700538) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616120)

This is just another cr*p idea from Telstra. Acting before they've thought it through again. There's no way they'll be able to police the thousands of users who exceed this amount. Good luck to them - more jobs for those Aussies.

I know it when i see it. (2, Insightful)

MrLint (519792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616127)

Come on guys, everyone knows what spam is. Its plain and simple. What this seems to be is a description of common behavior patterns of ppl who send spam. Thing is that this is going to have false hits. Filtering on content is really the only way to be sure (other thing nuking from orbit)

TLS interactions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7616128)

Anyone who uses TLS connections to their email server (IE. Secured - or SSL tunneled) and doesn't use Telstra as their email server will be invisible to this - there is no way to detect the contents of a secured link. So any secure SPAM will still get through.
My mail server always does this where for email client connections, and also tries to use it when delivering email to the target server!!! for security/integrity reasons - doesn't yours.

The New Equation (1)

ewombatnet (699110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7616169)

1. Detect 20 e-mails in 10 minutes 2. ???? 3. Profit! And as we all know, Telstra will damn their customers to the deepest pit of Hell if it means at least 1c more profit for them... OK, I promise not to get on a 'why utilities shouldn't be privately owned' rant...
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