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How to develop and test: (3, Insightful)

HoldmyCauls (239328) | more than 10 years ago | (#7647951)

To test these changes, he cross compiled 150 kernels for 30 architecures to see where some problems might come up.


That's dedication. Kudos.

Death (-1, Troll)

nepheles (642829) | more than 10 years ago | (#7648011)

Linux is desitned to fail because it's created by a team of chinese hac... oh wait. Wrong thread.

*ahem*

BSD is dying!

Ripping off for fun and ... what? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648103)

I was going to say "Slashdot: ripping off Advogato content [advogato.org] since 2002", but then I realised "jschauma" was credited to the Slashdot story, so he can hardly be accused of ripping off himself.

Re:Ripping off for fun and ... what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7649182)

Hell, half of the interesting stuff that shows up on slashdot has already been on Fark for half a day.

Has anyone noticed... (0, Offtopic)

Lifewish (724999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7648148)

Slashdot lets subscribers have first dibs on stories, but it seems you can get to them from the "old stories" link anyway...

BSD Makes The "B" Team! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648355)

It is with a heavy heart that we must report that Bob "I'm still dead" Hope has gone on to join the "B" team. As you all may know, BSD has been part of the "B" team for quite some time.

The Year of Our Lord 2003 has been a particularly bad year for the "B"s,

  • Bob Hope
  • Buddy Ebsen
  • Buddy Hackett
  • Barry White
  • BSD
This honored list of dead is but a small token of adieu from the many fans of the deceased.
These dead were truly some American Icons. They will be missed.

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648587)

OK, who's the twit for a moderator who modded this one up?!

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (5, Insightful)

edhall (10025) | more than 10 years ago | (#7652550)

Moderators are selected from the Slashdot community, and so have the same biases. Six months ago I would have said that the Slashdot BSD section had a trolling problem. I think it's pretty clear now that Slashdot itself is a good part of the problem.

Slashdot has taken the attitude that the BSD community is responsible for cleaning up the problem via moderation, and failure to do so means that the community doesn't care. Since the community doesn't care enough, the reasoning goes, BSD really is, in some sense, dying and not worth saving. But this makes two assumptions that are easily shown to be false:

  1. If the BSD community (or other small community within Slashdot) cares to use it, moderation can effectively clean up the trolls, crap floods, and so forth.

    This ignores the asymmetry of the situation. A crapflooder with a dialup connection and an idle hour or two can post dozens of messages. For this, several community members have to use up all of their weekly (if they're lucky) mod points, knowing full well that the same misfit can come back and do it again minutes later.

    There aren't that many more trolls or crap flooders in the more popular sections but there are a lot more moderators, so no one has to blow their entire allotment of mod points dealing with miscreants. (And I might note that all the complaints about trolls and crapflooding here indicate a community that would deal with the situation if it had the mod points to do it.)

  2. Moderation is self-regulating.

    The fallacy of this belief was brought home to me not long ago when I was metamoderated "unfair" twice in succession for down-moderating obvious trolls in the BSD section. And, as many of us have noted lately, there are an increasing number of irrelevant postings and even blatant trolls getting positive mods. Once again, the supposed self-correcting nature of moderation fails for lower-trafficked sections.

This is actually just the tip of an iceberg which threatens to smash Slashdot into a chaotic free-for-all; I don't think the BSD section is likely to be an isolated case for long (if this is even the case now). Just skim through the postings on nearly any technophile (i.e. geeky) subject, and see how little interest there is for true "News for Nerds" any more. At least the half the posts will be "Who the hell thinks this is interesting enough for an article?" or "Hasn't this been done before?" There is little moderation and it can take some time before the trolls and crapfloods get mopped up.

On the other hand, each tidbit from the SCO or RIAA affairs gets many hundreds of highly-moderated "Ain't it awful" posts, and at least for the first several hours obvious trolls get squashed in minutes. (This despite the fact that very little is newly Insightful or Informative any more on thse subjects, or even much left that is Interesting.) I'm sure that Slashdot gets loads of ad impressions when they run these stories, however, and perhaps the cynics who claim that this is the reason Slashdot runs them are right. But that's irrelevant; the fact is that as a result of these stories Slashdot's content is getting softer and softer, and therefore the average Slashdotter is more likely to be only a camp follower of the technophile community, driven by peer influence rather than an actual passion for computers and technology.

This is all grossly off-topic (except in the sense that Slashdot is a proper topic for a posting on Slashdot), and I expect some Offtopic moderations as a result. But over the years I've seen Slashdot becoming a bloated caricature of its former self, and this seemed as good a time as any to speak up.

-Ed

Moderation in BSD Section (OT) (2, Interesting)

OldMiner (589872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7652877)

Threshold: 0: 6 Comments
Threshold: -1: 27 comments

Boy, that looks like moderation is working for me. But, perhaps there was some lag in this effect. Also, I give a -1 Anonymous modifier. You might try it. (Granted, it would be valuable if modifiers and thresholds could be made per section or dependent on the number of comments, but beggars can't be choosers.)

The issue, I believe, is that troll patrol is done in large amounts by the slashdot admins who have infinite moderator points. As was shown in the early days of Slashdot, one admin with infinite mod points per 100 users spread across 10 articles is sufficient. The same works for the small sections like Developer and BSD. It just takes more lag time for admin to notice these things in small sections because they're concentrating on more highly commented stories. Once more, as you noted, there are less people with mod points reading. So, as near as I can tell, the system works, albeit maybe a little more slowly than you like.

Now, then there's your reaction. To be honest, the grandparent post was mildly humorous. Since I don't see many troll posts, I don't know if these is a unique post, or just another unoriginal copy and paste. The reason it was made, however, in either case, is because of people -- well -- like you. You're reacting strongly to a stupid post of relatively little significance which most people won't see. The post offends you and raises your ire. But consider the lack of talent required to make such a post and how little effect it truly has. It's a dying joke that anyone who reads Slashdot has seen before in some form or another.

If that doesn't help you, consider this strategy: give anonymous posters -6. Give foes -6. Foe logged in trolls. You won't see trolls. But, as always, please don't feed the trolls.

2) Moderation is self-regulating.

The fallacy of this belief was brought home to me not long ago when I was metamoderated "unfair" twice in succession for down-moderating obvious trolls in the BSD section.

You really want to be paranoid? For EVERY time someone metamods you as unfair, even if everyone else mods you as fair, you lose karma. Don't believe me? Check out metamod.pl in the CVS [slashcode.com]. Now if that makes you uncomfortable, I think you lack perspective. If you're not a troll yourself and have useful things to say, your karma will recover. And that second part isn't wholly necessary.

Trolls exist because some guys just plain don't have the right chemical balance in their brains, and they will always be that way. They can destroy a community if not properly regulated because to be a troll is to simply not see value in that community. But it looks to me that they are being properly regulated on Slashdot. Consider that it only takes one active non-troll moderator on average to cancel the effects of an active troll moderator. How many active troll moderators do you think there are? How about non-trolls like you and me? The bad thing is that in individual cases, someone might be poorly treated by the system, but I don't see any reason for your prediction of chaos. System works fine for me, on average.

Re:Moderation in BSD Section (OT) (2, Insightful)

edhall (10025) | more than 10 years ago | (#7653633)

Of 23 comments currently at score 0 or above, perhaps three have something relevant to say about the sysctl subsystem in NetBSD, and only one of these has any technical content. Around half of the Score 0 comments are trolls. I'd estimate that now, a full day after the article was posted, only about half of the needed mod points have been expended.

Yes, downrating AC's eliminates much of the noise, but it also eliminates a significant fraction of any useful content. I don't consider it a solution.

About a year and a half ago, before the trolls got the upper hand, it wouldn't have been at all surprising to have the author of something like the sysctl rework post several responses (usually as an AC), and a fruitful technical discussion would ensue. Such people now don't bother, even when someone like me bothers to tell them that there is a story on Slashdot about their project.

Moderation is too little and too late for this situation.

Here's another way that moderation can create a hostile environment: it is frequently used to enforce the majority view or to suppress dissent. (Just ask anyone who tries to say something even remotely positive about Microsoft.) Thus it has a lot to do with the development of a peer-pressure-based herd mentality. There are as many posts as there ever were, but in my humble opinion fewer and fewer of them have anything interesting to say. The Slashdot take on a given subject is often so one-dimensional that it is almost entirely predictable. I blame moderation for this.

For a BSD example, consider what the accepted Slashdot wisdom is concerning the BSD license: it allows code to be "stolen" and tied up inside proprietary systems. Consider this recent post [slashdot.org]. I'll not bother to refute it here; see my response to it. My point concerns the fact that it got upmodded four times (and if you spend some time going through the rest of the discussion you'll see that it's hardly an isolated case). This kind of Slashdottiness is just another example of how moderation is broken and simply adds to the frustration of groups like BSD fans rather than helping clear the air for them.

Well, that's enough commentary on this for this year. (And at this point I'm really not expecting there to be a next year; Slashdot has become of marginal use to me, with its BSD hostility being only a minor factor but a pretty stark example of what's broken.)

-Ed

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7653178)

Have to post AC as I've moderated here also (usually post as citog). Have to say I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiments. Slashdot is suffering hugely at the moment. On one hand we've got the cut-n-paste trolls and on the other we've got the fanboys who do the MS is bad, Linux r0cks/RedHat are bastards for trying to stay profitable/f*** you n00b etc. etc. This was supposed to be 'news for nerds and stuff that matters' but has just denegrated into a shouting rabble who have no interest in contributing, rather self-massaging of ego.
I've no idea how I'm meta-moderated but that could be interesting...
Although it goes against the grain here, we could do with a large number of dedicated and committed mods here. By dedicated and committed, I mean people who are interested in well thought out *and* researched discussion. So much of what is rated +n informative etc. is just fanboy adoration.

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7653227)

You've gotta understand, the trolls here mostly don't give a flying flip about BSD and its future. It's just that their posts _always_ get attention, and even your well-written thoughts on the situation just make you look like bait, sadly. So the best option is to totally ignore them.

For some reason, people want to reply even when they _know_ it's a troll. I've seen this first hand; I wrote the Gentoo Zealot Translator and that always gets stacks of responses. Some people are just touchy.

M

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Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7654478)

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I hate to be the one who states the obvious, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7654576)

YHBT!

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7658319)

This post is absurd in the extreme. All it does is confirm that *BSD trolling is winning.

If you think the 'editors' will actually do anything, then you are dreaming.

P.S. *BSD is dying.

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7771483)

Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save *BSD at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dead

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648652)

Thanks for shedding more light on the *BSD jauggernaut. Very informative.

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648847)

How can that be marked as interesting? Isn't there a score of #, immature?

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648904)

Uhhhhhhhhhhh............ this isn,t informative............

Re:BSD Makes The "B" Team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7649532)

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Very Interesting (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648995)

Thanks for moderating this up.. Very good info on that trash OS BSD.

Hard lessons, bitter tears (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7648738)

What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore [slashdot.org], Version 1.0

Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.

Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.

These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents [theos.com] on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.

As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT [mit.edu] found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study. [rice.edu]

Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar [tuxedo.org], rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.

The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.

Stravinsky - Le Sacre du Printemps (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7649342)

The work is divided into two parts with the following scenes:

Part I: Adoration of the Earth

  • Introduction
  • Auguries of Spring (Dances of the Young Girls)
  • Mock Abduction
  • Spring Khorovod (Round Dance)
  • Games of the Rival Clans
  • Procession of the Wise Elder
  • Adoration of the Earth (the Wise Elder)
  • Dance of the Earth
Part II: The Sacrifice
  • Introduction
  • Mystical Circles of Young Girls
  • Glorification of the Chosen Victim
  • The Summoning of the Ancients
  • Ritual of the Ancients
  • Sacrificial Dance (the Chosen Victim)

Re:Stravinsky - Le Sacre du Printemps (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7649606)

(modified slightly so as to be on-topic)

Part II: The Sacrifice (of *BSD)

* Introduction
* Mystical Circles of Young Girls
* Glorification of the Chosen Victim (*BSD)
* The Summoning of the Ancients
* Ritual of the Ancients
* Sacrificial Dance (*BSD is dying)

Please add to the troll-in-one: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7649742)

I must make it clear that:

1) *BSD is associated with the Devil (see mascot).
2) *BSD promotes anti-social behaviour.
3) *BSD encourages a homosexual lifestyle.
4) *BSD stands for destruction of the economy.
5) *BSD attacks the average man in the street.
6) *BSD allows no critisms of its mission.
7) *BSD harbours terrorists and other state enemies.
8) *BSD collects weapons of mass destruction.
9) *BSD believes in the enprisionment of mankind.
10) *BSD is dying.

Re:Please add to the troll-in-one: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7652728)

11) *BSD is hated by jealous linux users
12) *BSD is used by most major corporations (eg: Yahoo!)
13) *BSD code was stolen by dishonest linux users and misappropriated into their kernel. Ergo, *Linux is dying.

In summary, *Linux is dying.

Re:Please add to the troll-in-one: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7652757)

Tell you what. From what I've seen of Linux, and what I've read about improvements wise in BSD, this seems pretty accurate. Linux is wanding around in a kind of undeath where each Linux zombie is missing a different hunk of flesh.

At first blush it certainly seems that if I want something powerful that gets me all misty-eyed thinking about my old shell account, BSD is the obvious choice, but if I want a windows replacement, Linux is the hobbiest's go-kart to Microsoft's Lexus.

Will it be picked up by Open/Free? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7650268)

I am sure the OpenBSD developers will check it out and add it if it makes sense to them, without affecting security. I recall they had to add sysctl variables for pf, which is what makes thing brittle to change.

Kudus, that is a lot of dedication!

Kerry Blames Press for Drop in Polls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7650664)

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Sen. John F. Kerry turned up the blame game yesterday, pointing fingers at everyone from Arnold Schwarzenegger to the media for his sagging White House campaign while vowing to win the New Hampshire primary. Trying to shrug off polls showing him dropping into a far-off second tier of candidates, Kerry said he isn't at fault. ``We've gone through the summer months, Arnold Schwarzenegger, a new face in the race Wes Clark,'' Kerry said, later adding the media focus on other issues as part of the blame for his message not getting to voters.

Comment

This guy should be a spokesman for BSD. He has all the attributes. He is a whiner. He blames others for his own failures. He is deluded. He is ugly. This chump should receive the "BSD Lifetime Achievement" award. He is a loser. Mister BSD.

creampie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7651817)

I got very frustrated yesterday. My wife, who has a low sex drive anyway, went on the rag several days before she and the kids went to Denver for skiing over Spring Break. I reminded her that I found self-restraint difficult when I was horny, but she shrugged off my concerns like she always does. Of course, my family got stuck in the blizzard in Denver. Instead of returning today, they are now scheduled to fly home Tuesday.

Feeling my balls full and being incredibly horny, I posted a message this morning in a Yahoo group looking for a hookup:

Horny MWM looking to give oral to a lady, with no reciprocity required. I am alone today through tomorrow night, so if you need some attention write me privately and we can hook up.

I had never had any success meeting anyone, so I had no expectations of meeting someone. But, the idea I might kept me extra horny throughout the morning. I checked my email at lunch, and I found a reply. It was short, giving her name (Terry) and suggesting I call her cell phone.

I dialed the number anxiously, feeling like the number was familiar. Terry answered, and asked if I was serious about the no-reciprocity thing. Feeling even more anxious (but sporting a boner), I told her I was. I offered to let her bring a friend if that would make her feel safer, but she just chuckled. She also told me that we had to be done by 5:00, since her husband would return then.

After talking about expectations, we arranged to meet at a Taco Bell not far from my house. I didn't spare the horses to get there by the arranged time. In fact, I arrived 10 minutes early. I bought myself a soda water, and settled down to wait. I wanted to observe Terry when she arrived.

My town has 75,000 people in it, but it never fails that I meet someone I know. Five minutes before I was to meet Terry, the team mom from my son's soccer team came in. Brenda was always standoffish (I wasn't in her clique), but after some visible decision-making, she came over to say hi.

Besides her aloof manner, I found Brenda attractive. She was 40-ish, like me, but was toned. She ran a couple miles every day and played indoor soccer on a co-ed team. Her face was pretty enough, with the start of tiny life-lines. Her eyes were her best feature. They were a pale blue color, nicely shaped and sparkly.

When she walked over, she looked particularly good. I had never seen her wear makeup, but she was doing so today. Her shoulder-length blonde hair was arranged with a variety of trendy flips, which stroked my fetish-y hot button (I loved her center part and heavy bangs). She was wearing a tennis outfit.

"Hi Brenda," I said as she walked over. "Howya doing?" I tried not to act suspiciously, but I was obviously in the wrong place for a man who should be at work.

"Hi Clem," she said, crossing her arms. I expected her next words to be questioning what I was doing, or where Perra (my wife) was. Instead, we talked about the blizzard in Denver, and how that was affecting the soccer team. She had reminded us last night that we had a scrimmage on the weekend, and I told her my son wouldn't be there. Now she told me several other team mates were also stuck in the blizzard.

It was interesting, but I couldn't help looking at my watch several times. Terry would be arriving soon. Finally, Brenda picked up on my attention to the time.

"Meeting someone?" she asked.

"Yeah, I am supposed to meet, uh," my mind raced, looking for an excuse, "a lady from my church." Then, I hoped to divert her attention by going on the offensive. "So, you meeting someone too?"

She suddenly looked alarmed. I got the impression that my "innocent" question was to be answered with a lie. "Yeah, Dennis and I are thinking about redecorating, and I am interviewing a painter in a safe place."

"Why doesn't Dennis interview him with you?" I asked. Dennis was her husband, and a pompous jerk.

"He took the kids to A&M for a baseball game," she told me.

So, we talked some about her ideas for redecorating. By the time conversation lagged, it was ten minutes past the arranged meeting time. "I think I'll call my friend and see if she's stuck somewhere," I said.

I pulled out my cell phone, and I saw Brenda pulling hers out. Presumably she was going to call her painter. I had programmed Terry's number into my phone, so I hit a number and listened for the ring.

Imagine my shock when Brenda's phone rang.

Her eyes went very wide, as I'm sure mine did as well. She flipped her phone open and said "hello" into my ear.

I disconnected. "Terry?" I asked.

"Dave?" she asked.

It would have been comical, but imagine the situation. Two people were trying to cheat on their spouses with an anonymous person, and end up knowing each other. We both groaned with the sudden let down.

"Well, shit," I said, bemused.

"Figures," she said. "You know, this is the first time I ever tried meeting someone."

"Me too," I said. I looked at her, trying to hide my disappointment. "So you feel like some lunch?" I asked. "I'll buy."

"Well, that was the deal," she smiled. Turns out we had very similar tastes in the pseudo food that is Taco Bell, and we were soon snarfing it down.

"I wondered why you looked so good," I said, squirting fire sauce on my crispy "taco".

"You thought I looked good?" she asked, seemingly surprised.

"You are a good looking woman," I said, feeling a compliment was called for in the situation. "You just look extra good today."

"Well, thank you," she said, sincerely. "Dennis is always harping on me to lose weight or change my hair or something. It's nice to be complimented for a change."

I held my tongue, not wanting to express my low opinion of her husband. "I think you are in great shape, and I like your hair the way it is," I told her. There followed an awkward silence, but her aloofness seemed gone now.

We talked some more, then grew silent again as the meal was finally consumed. She looked at me, and finally said, "So, have you decided yet?"

"Decided what?" I asked.

"If you want to go through with it," she answered. Now, that surprised me. I hadn't given it a single thought after I had found out that Brenda was actually Terry.

"I just assumed you wouldn't want to," I answered lamely. "I'd love to, if you wouldn't feel too weird about it." My stomach began to flip/flop as I waited her answer.

"No reciprocity, right?" she asked. I nodded, unable to find my voice. "OK, then do you know where I live?" I didn't, but she gave me directions.

To be certain, I followed her anyways. Brenda left the garage open, and I pulled into her husband's space before she closed the garage door behind us.

"Want a drink?" she asked, leading me into their house.

"Just some ice water, in case my mouth gets dry from licking you." Verbalizing that I was about to service her made me both randy and embarrassed.

"We wouldn't want that," she smiled, aware of my sudden discomfort. She used the ice crusher in the refrigerator door, and squirted water into the glass as well. Then, she led me into their screened in porch at the back of the house. Shielded on two sides by tall bushes, about all that was visible from the porch was St. Lawrence Catholic Church, where they were active members. I wondered at her kinkiness, wanting to be serviced with the church looming over us.

"OK, let me see you strip," she smiled.

Now, this was unexpectedly nerve wracking! I had agreed to be nude while I serviced her when I thought she was a stranger, but as I began to disrobe I remembered all the meetings at practice and on the sidelines. Even though I wasn't in her circle, we must have talked a hundred times. Now we would look at each other with different eyes, and the prospect caused some anxiety. However, I will admit that I also found the situation very hot.

I was nude in a flash, and sporting a very hard erection. Brenda eyed me with some interest, getting a lusty look that I found very attractive.

"I can't believe we're doing this," she said, her face getting flushed.

"Me neither," I said, "but I am really looking forward to it." I pulled from the pocket of my discarded pants the condom I had brought. Since youth I had drooled precum when erect, and I was getting moister as I got older. I opened it and began to roll it on. "I am afraid I'll cum while I eat your pussy," I explained.

"I can see that," she smiled. Then she looked around and grabbed a wicker chair, turning it so that it faced the church. She sat in the chair, her cute tennis skirt riding high on her thighs. "Are you ready?" she asked.

I took a drink of the ice water. Without saying anything, I knelt between her legs, and gently pushed them apart. I saw a pair of pale blue cotton panties, the crotch getting wet. "Skootch your hips out," I said. She did, and I spread her legs. I can't even describe how much I wanted to pull her panties off and tongue fuck her!

Controlling myself, I kissed gently on her panties, capturing a faint trace of her flavor. Her aroma was strong and musky, and I pressed my nose into her crotch. MMMmmmm, ambrosia!

"How long do I have?" I asked her.

"Hmmmm, about two hours," she told me. "Take your time and do a good job."

"I will," I smiled. "I will."

I teased her for some time, watching her face to gauge her reaction. Her panties became soaked, and I could see the bump where her clit was. I sucked on it through the cotton, and she shivered a little. Then she smiled and told me to stop fucking around and to pull her panties off. I ignored her until she shifted to a more begging tone, preferring instead to licking her crotch strongly, pressing it between her lips.

"Please pull my panties off," she urged. "I want to feel that fucking tongue of yours deep in me."

"Well, since you said 'please'", I laughed. I paused to take a sip of water, then slowly pulled her panties off. I loved how they clung to the last at her sticky wet crotch.

My first impression is that she was a natural blonde. My second is that she and Dennis must not fuck much. Her pussy looked pristine, except for the flower of her inner lips. I know the size of labia and shape of a woman's pussy is largely genetic, but I also like to think I can tell when a pussy is used to fucking, and lots of it. Brenda's didn't have the look of a heavily used cunt.

"Gawd, your pussy looks so pretty," I told her. It actually was pretty.

"Then give it a kiss," she said. She gently grabbed my head and guided my face to her crotch. I only touched it a few times before she gasped and came. She was really hot!

After that, she pushed me away. "Just stop for a minute," she said. "My clit gets really sensitive after I cum."

I was perplexed. I wanted to eat her lots more, but this was cutting into our two hours. "What if I focus a little lower?" I asked.

"What do you mean?" she queried.

"You'll see," I smiled. I lifted her legs, then pressed them forward so that she was more scrunched up. I pulled apart her butt cheeks, and gazed at her browneye.

"You aren't really going to lick my butthole?" Brenda asked. She had the breathless sound of a woman who wanted me to do exactly that.

"Hmmm, maybe," I smiled. Then I removed all doubt by pressing my lips to the puckered opening and giving it a loud smack.

"That is so nasty!" she exclaimed.

"You mean tasty," I rejoined. I flicked my tongue onto her opening, then deliberately circled it with my tongue.

"Oh FUCK," she grunted, shaking a little. "Dennis has never done this!" I didn't bother to answer, but still circled, pressing my tip against her opening from time to time. Time slipped away as I opened her up to new possibilities. Finally, I tasted something familiar. Her pussy was so wet that it was dripping down to her asshole!

Taking that as a good sign, I let her unscrunch and dove into her flowing pussy with gusto. I licked and slurped her juices, feeling her shaking and shivering as her orgasm built. Testing what I could get away with, I pressed a finger into her liquid depths. Getting nothing but a moan, I began to slide it in and out while I continued my oral service.

Suddenly, from the sighs and moans and murmurings, her voice rang out clear. "Fuck me," she hissed. I looked up at her. "Fuck me. I want to feel your cock in me."

"That's not part of the deal," I said.

"Fuck the deal. I want to feel full of your cock." Her voice was insistent.

Now, I normally don't object to fucking women, especially women who looked as pretty as Brenda did right then. But, mentally I had decided that eating her wasn't cheating. It was just fun. If I fucked her, I would be cheating on my wife. Again. I hated the feelings that followed being unfaithful. I decided to put her off.

"I will, but I'll take off this condom and cum inside you."

"Perfect," she moaned. Her sudden gush of heat led me to think that she enjoyed the idea. "I love to feel Dennis cumming in me." Her eyes were very blue now. She was quite fetching when she begged to get fucked.

"Well, I probably won't last too long," I said. "I feel like I am on the edge."

"That's OK, as long as I can be on top and can rub on you a little." I was out of objections, so when she told me to lie on my back, I did. She knelt and pulled off my condom, looking at the precum it had captured. She put her knees on either side of my hips, and prepared to put me in her.

"One thing," I said, stopping her at the last moment. "If I cum before you, I want to finish you off orally."

"Eeeewwww, gross," she said, her eyes large. I got the impression that she didn't really think it was gross. Without delay, she pointed my cock up and sank onto me. We both let out groans of pleasure. She felt like fire inside, like wet fire. When she leaned over me, I could feel her clit on my shaved pubes. It was awesome.

She looked down on me, her hair framing her face. She got a look, then leaned further over and kissed me. I love kissing, but I had never thought about kissing her. Now, she was kissing me, passionately. Her tongue was in my mouth, making me feel like she owned me.

I lasted longer than I had thought I would, shoving my dick frantically into her while she humped me. Finally, I couldn't hold off any longer and I began to shoot a steady stream of semen into her pussy. Her mouth covered mine, so that I couldn't gasp for air. I was being suffocated during sex. Awesome!

I was still reeling when she shifted her humping so that she was sliding back and forth on me, smacking her clit against my cock. With my cum there, it was really gooey and slippery. Her breathing got ragged, and after five minutes she suddenly lunged forward to sit on my face.

Oh my goodness, she was sloppy. Her extreme wetness, my added cum, and the humping had made her pussy covered with creampie. I tried to clean her at first, but she gasped "my clit, my clit". I focused on that and she came almost immediately. Then it got really messy, as more creamy liquid was squeezed out.

After a minute, I gently rolled her off my face and onto her back. I spent a good long time just cleaning cream from her crotch. If I got too close to her clit, she warned me off. But, that was OK, because I was happy just eatin'.

Brenda told me that Dennis had a problem with premature ejaculation, and she had been fantasizing about having him finishing her off after he was done. In that way, I had provided a bigger service than I had thought I would. Not only had I given her a couple nice Os, but I had also confirmed that having her creampie eaten would be fulfilling. I knew Dennis was in for a surprise, and soon.

Before I left, we agreed that our rendezvous had never happened. It would be too awkward to be cheaters and on the same soccer team.

Happily, we made plans for our next rendezvous.

Re:creampie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7653308)

Here's how the story continued:

We met again the next day for some more fun, although this time Brenda wanted me to fuck her ass while she masturbated. Just as I was delivering my throbbing rod into here chocolate starfish, Dennis burst through the door.

"What the fuck" he screamed, gasping at the sight.

Totally bemused, I had no idea what to say - how pissed off was he going to be? Before I could mutter any kind of vague explanation, he pulled down his trousers and knelt behind me. My cock was still in Brenda's ass.

"You're gonna pay for this", Dennis exclaimed.

Without hesitation, Dennis shoved his semi-hard member into my ass. God, the pain. Thrusting back and forwards, I could feel my sphincter tearing up and the moistness dripping onto my ballsack was either blood or Dennis' pre-cum.

Dennis pumped away at my ass, all the time my cock slipping in and out of the squealing Brenda's poop-hole. It was sick, but I thought it was better than being killed. Or at least, it was at the time...

Reaching round, Dennis pulled my dick out and started groping it. I felt something metal touching it. It... was... a fucking lighter! Dennis sparked it up and started to burn my bell-end; I nearly passed out with the intense pain, but the twisted fuck was wrestling me down. Jesus!

Once he'd cum, he turned me over and repeatedly punched me in the face. Shocked, dizzy and covered in blood, I tried to make my way to the door.

"Not so fast" hurled Dennis.

Once again, he wrestled me to the floor, and grabbed a nearby pair of scissors. It was terrifying. He reached round and jabbed the blades into my anus, opening and closing the scissors. Blood was pouring out. It was unbearable. I dunno how I stayed concious for so long.

Somehow I managed to escape his clutches, and just as I headed for the door he grabbed a camera from the shelf and took a snap. A picture of me, naked, bleeding, anally raped, crying.

I staggered out onto the street, and after a few steps a cop spotted me and took me to the station. The rest was just downhill.

My wife left me, my children won't speak to me, and I was demoted in my job. Now I live in squalor in a single-room bedsit, terrified to go out, mentally destroyed by my sexual encounters, and wanting to die. All I could do was hack on the FreeBSD kernel; it was good to know that my coding buddies all lead such pitiful lives. I just hope that BSD continues to stay alive, so that me and my housebound friends can add new features.

Thankyou for listening.

Re:creampie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7656080)

WARNING: do not read the parent comment. It may give you a raging hard-on!

An honest question (2, Insightful)

austus (199520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7652043)

What are the benefits to having this new sysctl infrastructure?

Re:An honest question (3, Informative)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 10 years ago | (#7652520)

From the first link on the article:
  • The kernel knows about (but does not currently use) the name to number mapping for each node. Auto-discovery of the tree is now possible.
  • Nodes can now be added to the tree by lkms, device attachment routines or at securelevel 0 from the command line via the sysctl binary.
  • Adding new nodes (or subtrees) to the sysctl tree is now much simpler.

it is true that BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7652175)

Although it is true that BSD is dying, there are some helpful steps you can take ease your sorrow:
  • deal with the inevitable.
  • grieve for your loss.
  • move on. Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer operating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on. Hope this helps.

hush child (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7652508)

Listen. That gurgling sound you hear? That is the death rattle in *BSD's throat.

Lights out, pard (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7653084)

Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,

*BSD is dying

Healing the pain (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7656093)

Although it is true that BSD is dying, there are some helpful steps you can take ease your sorrow,
  • deal with the inevitable.
  • grieve for your loss.
  • move on.
Never let your emotions get mixed up with something as silly as a computer operating system. It isn't healthy. So BSD fails. Big whoop. Deal with it and move on.

Hope this helps.

Elegy For *BSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7657444)


Elegy For *BSD


I am a *BSD user
and I try hard to be brave
That is a tall order
*BSD's foot is in the grave.

I tap at my toy keyboard
and whistle a happy tune
but keeping happy's so hard,
*BSD died so soon.

Each day I wake and softly sob
Nightfall finds me crying
Not only am I a zit faced slob
but *BSD is dying.


FreeBSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7660891)

Fact: *BSD is dying

It is practically universal knowledge that *BSD is dying. Indeed *BSD is hopelessly mired in an irrecoverable and mortifying tangle of fatal trouble. It is perhaps anybody's guess as to which *BSD is the worst off of an admittedly suffering *BSD community. The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major marketing surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist dilettante dabblers. In truth, for all practical purposes *BSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.

Fact: *BSD is dying

The thrill is gone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713836)

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavor you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimize doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

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