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Evolution 1.5 has Been Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 10 years ago | from the stuff-to-download dept.

Ximian 317

SirPrize writes "As announced here, Evolution 1.5 is now available for download (obligatory screenshots, for those who want to click and see)" Congrats to all the developers responsible for this gigantic undertaking.

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d00t!~ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668342)

d00t!~ d00t!~d00t!~ d00t!~ d00t!~

Re:d00t!~ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668386)

Yeh I got first post on the first time I attempted it! d00t!~

Too bad ... (-1, Offtopic)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668343)

I ditched my evolution install and went full with mozilla mail (thunderbird)

Re:Outlook is better... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668398)

You bet Outlook rocks [linksynergy.com]

I wanted to... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668449)

I wanted to use mozilla, but I could not figure out how to get it to read from my local spool, so I had to learn evolution instead...

Re:Too bad ... (1)

bunhed (208100) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668513)

Indeed. Evolution ate my address book, twice, and buddy's AB once that I know of. It's moz for me.

Re:Too bad ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668675)

too bad the original post didn't even include 5 words describing what evolutio does...

Yay! (1)

fewnorms (630720) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668346)

Evolution is my favourite tool, or my worst nightmare, as I read email from clients with it :) Good job guys, another OS project well on it's way!

Wohoo, congrats to the developers (1)

malsdavis (542216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668632)

Congrats to the developers. Personally, I think Evolution is about the most professional Open Source Application around.

Coming up real good. (2, Informative)

Shivaji Maharaj (692442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668355)

I have been trying the beta stuff on gentoo and works pretty fine. Good work.. keep it up.!!

Re:Gentoo sucks big time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668450)

More here [linksynergy.com]

Re:Coming up real good. (1)

x-router (694339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668682)

It was great under gentoo until I tried to use 2 IMAP accounts from work to my home machine via BB. Works fine in mozilla and other mail tools but was lagged to hell under Evo.

It's a good tool but there are some serious issues with the way it manages IMAP.

Dinner (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668364)

Screenshot 2 [gnome.org]

If you need a PIM to remind you to eat dinner, you have serious issues.

Re:Dinner (4, Funny)

Flabby Boohoo (606425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668503)

True... how about a reminder to take a shower instead?

Re:Dinner (0, Offtopic)

Kircle (564389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668514)

And, apparently, he only plans to eat lunch on the 7th, 8th, and 9th. Must be on a diet.

Re:Dinner (1)

Lemmeoutada Collecti (588075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668550)

Nah, those are the days he plans to have dinner with his mistress. Of course, he won't put that in the planner in case wifey peeks over his shoulder, then he can worm out bay saying he was setting aside time to spend with her... followed by a few hushed phone calls to reschedule his other dates.

Homemade cruise missile anyone? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668596)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3302 763.stm

someone get this published at SlashDot - I can't be arsed, but it looks amusing. Especially the US response. Who gives a fuck what the US response is? Is New Zealand a part of the United States now?

Re:Dinner (4, Interesting)

TechnoVooDooDaddy (470187) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668646)

around my company, if you don't put lunch & dinner on your calendar and mark it "private appointment" chances are good some schmuck will try and schedule a meeting or a conference call or something during that time...

Re:Dinner (4, Interesting)

boinger (4618) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668651)

I have serious issues, then.

My company, the godsend that it is, buys food for any employee who wants it, but the order can be in no later than 5:20p. (We get to order off or an actual menu from an actual restaurant)

So, I have a Calendar alert pop up daily at 4:55p, or I'd miss out (very often, in fact). I don't get hungry until 6:00p or so, so I have to visually remind myself to order if I *think* I'll still be here at 6:30p (when the food arrives)

I know it was meant as funny, but it is useful for people like me who can forget to pee for 6 hours because their brain is 'on a roll' with soemthing.

Java Desktop (2, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668366)

You'd think Sun'd sponsor them a little wouldn't you? What they're doing helps Sun's push for their desktop one hell of a lot.

Re:Java Desktop (2, Informative)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668497)

I believe Sun has been adding friendly cut-and-paste to their own Evolution version. Let's see if Ximian wants to integrate those changes back into the main product.

As an Evolution user for about a year... (2, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668368)

....I must say, woo-hoo! Evolution is great stuff; it truly is an Outlook killer.

Also, here's a duplicate code report [infoether.com] , thanks to CPD [sf.net] . I like the comment on the first duplicate code chunk:
/* sigh, so much for oo code reuse ... */
/* FIXME: put in a function */
Heh.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

Kyouryuu (685884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668424)

Indeed. Being a hybrid Windows and Linux user, I must say that Evolution is one Linux program I'm envious Linux has and Windows doesn't. The next Mozilla Mail would benefit from following their approach, imho.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (4, Insightful)

the-matt-mobile (621817) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668428)

it truly is an Outlook killer

I'm not trying to troll here, as I think Evolution is a wonderful product... but I'd just like to dispute your claim on one of the finer points - nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until it runs everywhere that Outlook runs (ie: Windows).

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668486)

> nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until
> it runs everywhere that Outlook runs
> (ie: Windows).

Good point, you're right. I guess I meant that in the context of things that prevent moving from Win32 to Linux. Maybe "excuses not to migrate-killer" would be a better term.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668654)

Now if only Evolution could sync with my PDA-cell phone (which does run PocketPC). I think that's the last thing that keeps me running a windows machine.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

4of12 (97621) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668630)


nothing will be an "Outlook Killer" until it runs everywhere that Outlook runs (ie: Windows).

You have a good point.

OTOH, just move down the food chain one more level:

Evo/*NIX will run on the same existing x86 boxes that Outlook/Windows runs on.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

malsdavis (542216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668655)

But Evolution already is replacing Outlook in many places where it has run.

In terms of functionality it is definatly on par. In terms of costand most importantly security, Outlook can't compete.

I bet the virus writers are cursing!!

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1)

Hecubas (21451) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668585)

Now if we could just find something to kill Lotus Notes! Something lightweight, with a well designed GUI that is intuitive. We need a replacement that doesn't require a special certification to develope for, it needs to be open.

for single users, not enterprises (2, Insightful)

axxackall (579006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668597)

....I must say, woo-hoo! Evolution is great stuff; it truly is an Outlook killer.

Excuse me, Outlook per se is close to useless without Exchange server. Sure, Evolution works fine with IMAP. It even works with LDAP to keep Contacts (although that piece is not fine).

But how about Calendaring and Tasks being stored on the server *AND* processed with the server? In Outlook when I appoint the meeting ti automatically checks if the attendee is busy or not, and it ch checks it on the server - not in my personal folders.

Without groupware-based calendaring Outlook is useless for most of enterprises.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (3, Interesting)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668625)

Evolution will (shortly) be a very capable PIM. With an OS backend of somekind for scheduling, will cover 95% of the "outlook" users needs. But, Outlook does something that no GNU/Linux PIM does yet these form things [slipstick.com] .
Now, Im not trying to say "outlook r0x0r2 and evolution 6r00l2" or somesuch, so please ease up on the "M$ shill" retorts (and the 'outlook is insecure' w/ vb" stuff as well.

What you can do is send forms, with send a form to a user like an email -- the 'form' appears in their inbox). This form, can do whatever you'd like. You can build work-chain dependant systems with them.

Now, I imagine you can do similar via HTML forms and a Apache backend, but ive used these outlook forms before to enable some 'officialdom' instead of attached emails and forms.... and they worked pretty nice. (i built a simple form that made 'offical' communication between two departments and tracked the sending/recieving and reaction -- pretty simple) its pretty interesting.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (1, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668634)

"...it truly is an Outlook killer."

Outlook clone perhaps, but no where near even an Outlook threat. First and foremost is the lack of a Windows version. Second, Evolution merely mimics some of the functionality of Outlook, not all of it and it lacks the same kind of integration that Outlook/Exchange offer medium and large corporations wanting to standardize on an e-mail, calendar and messaging suite can. Call me a troll if you wish but it seems to me that Evolution is only being used by those who would be better served with Thunderbird; sort of like the Outlook users who should really be using Outlook Express.

Re:As an Evolution user for about a year... (3, Informative)

Jellybob (597204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668696)

it lacks the same kind of integration that Outlook/Exchange offer medium and large corporations wanting to standardize on an e-mail, calendar and messaging suite can.

*cough* connector [ximian.com] *cough*

woohoo! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668376)

What the fuck is "evolution"?

Re:woohoo! (1)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668526)

A process that has yet to happen to your lineage.

Re:woohoo! (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668544)


What the fuck is "evolution"?

Apparently something your murky area of the genetic pond stopped doing generations ago.

Hmm. Time for another trial (1, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668382)

I don't seem to have much luck with mail clients recently - Mozilla (1.4) often barfs when I get japanese spam - really annoying because I have to delete my Inbox and my POP3 spool :-(, before that, an earlier version of Evolution took all my mail and made it unreadable :-((

Say it quietly, but through all my trials of mail on Linux, Outlook has just worked :-( It's bloody annoying, but there you go. Actually I think it may be the X server screwing up mozilla, so maybe the new version of Evolution will have the same problems. If so, it may be time to junk the venerable G400 and go for a newer card which can do dual display...

Any excuse :-)

Simon

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (4, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668452)

You don't use Outlook enough. Ever had to run the scanpst.exe utility? When I hit the "Send/Receive" button in Outlook XP at the moment, I get a dialog saying "The operation failed". The other day I ran into a whole bunch of issues when one of my folders that mailing list messages filters to hit 64Ki messages.

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (2, Interesting)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668540)

Well, I dunno about that, not that I'm defending Outlook at all - virus-prone piece of sh1t that it is, but since I use POP, I get the same email (in the office) as I do at home.

What I like about Mozilla is the spam filter - fantastic. In the morning I spend 5 minutes filtering mail in outlook, only about 10 seconds in Mozilla. On average I get maybe 400 emails per day, of which about 300-350 are spam. That's because I'm the 'catchall' for the domains though...

If people didn't send me bloody word documents, I'd ditch windows immediately, but Open Office and abiword aren't up to standard yet, for documents that I get sent...

Simon

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (0)

Cap'nMike (631536) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668481)

Sure, Outlook may work fine, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that you have been infected by more virii through opening mail through outlook than you have opening mail through a linux install of Mozilla or Evo.

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668690)

If it wern't for my virus scanner I would agree, however it detects and flags all the e-mails with viruses. So the score is 0-0. :)

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (1)

schon (31600) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668554)

I've had trouble with Mozilla's mail as well.

through all my trials of mail on Linux, Outlook has just worked :-( It's bloody annoying, but there you go.

Outlook isn't quite as bad as Mozilla, but it's still got it's share of issues - not the least of which is wonky POP3 support. I get at least one call a week from users who get the same mail over and over due to Outlook (a mail from the server causes the POP3 collector to crash, and Outlook doesn't delete the mail as it retreives it - it waits until everything is downloaded.. so if you have 300 emails waiting, and the process gets interrupted at #299, the next time you fire up Outlook, you'll have to re-download all of the mail you've already received.)

KMail has personally given me the least amount of grief.. 1.2 had issues for me with PGP support, but recent version are great.

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (1)

sosegumu (696957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668562)

Say it quietly, but through all my trials of mail on Linux, Outlook has just worked

Sorry to say--but this has been my experience too...sigh. It's been awhile, but I think(?) it was the inability to create a rule to automatically forward certain emails with Evolution. Outlook does, which is a shame since I loved nearly everything else in Evolution.

I'm sure that someone will tell me something to the effect of, 'all you have to do is hack the source code, dumbass' but, honestly, I'm not that smart.

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668604)

"I don't seem to have much luck with mail clients recently - Mozilla (1.4) often barfs when I get japanese spam - really annoying because I have to delete my Inbox and my POP3 spool :-(, before that, an earlier version of Evolution took all my mail and made it unreadable :-(("

I would report the errors you're seeing as bugs. Japanese Spam should be displayed without any problems, although many times I wish I knew enough japanese to redirect it to /dev/null. But I should mention that this may be an encoding issue.

-Dan

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (1)

DarkSarin (651985) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668641)

I can't say I've had the same experience. I used Outlook for quite a while, until one day I tried the Mozilla Client.

Let me point out the differences: First, Mozilla allows reasonably easy backup and restore of email. It even imports Outlook's email flawlessly. To this date, I have not found a reliable method of backing up Outlook and being able to retrieve it in a usable format.

Second, there is the handling of spam and junk mail. Outlook is pretty darn worthless, even with filtering enabled, it pretty much ignores your settings, and let's everything through. Mozilla (and thunderbird), however, does not. It eats spam and reliably catches about 90% or more of the junk I get daily. And since it learns, it gets better. It's a no brainer really.

Third, I probably don't need to go into the annoying tendency Outlook has of opening mails to allow a virus to get in. That is so well documented as to make its iteration here inane. Mozilla on the other hand, is secure by defualt, and I understand that Thunderbird is better (although, since I prefer linux, it doesn't make that much difference).

Now, there are a few things that mozilla doesn't do well--first the calendar is lacking. Evolution seems to do pretty good with their calendar, but I don't care for some of the things that it does--such as making backup difficult (and when I mailed the folks that develop it, they never responded--guess I'm not l33t enough to deserve help, since I couldn't figure it out on my own). Another thing that thunderbird didn't have until recently (under linux) was the ability to click on links and have them open in a browser. Now if only they would fix the "mailto:" issue in firebird.

Don't get me wrong, evolution is a great prog, but I don't like everything about it, most of all its blatant spoof of the Outlook interface, which isn't really all that great (I have some friends in Human Factors studies that did some usability testing on Outlook--let's just say it didn't do too hot). Not that Mozilla/Thunderbird/Firebird is perfect, but it is better.

As for the X server screwing up mozilla, I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. Did you submit a bug report? Or is it not really that important?

I am curious--why are you getting japanese spam? I never get japanese spam. Does it taste better than american spam. Is it still made with fake meat? FWIW, I would barf too if I had to eat spam.

Re:Hmm. Time for another trial (4, Interesting)

Theatetus (521747) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668681)

Say it quietly, but through all my trials of mail on Linux, Outlook has just worked

You've never supported Outlook for others, I take it? It does several weird things with POP3. Take, for instance, this recent problem I've been having where Outlook thinks that a messages is 48KB in size when in fact it's only 46KB. It downloads the 46KB, doesn't get any more for that message, tries again, and again, and again, until it chokes and dies. This one guy had 500Megs of that one message in his inbox, and it never even got removed from the server (neither did anything past it). This is probably the POP server's "fault" (they use Post.Office... *shudder*), but the MDA should definitely be able to handle a fault like that.

Anyways, I'm not bashing Outlook in particular (I think on the whole the Office line is Microsoft's best work), I just find it odd that people are totally used to the bugs in Microsoft programs but think that equally annoying but different bugs somehow bar Linux from the desktop.

Gnome translate-o-matic 1.5 has been released (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668393)

Ever since Gnome 2.4 was released, I have found more and more gnome zealots
who MUST absolutely advocate GNOME at every possible moment. Here is a guide
to some of their claims, and what they really mean.

Unlike KDE, Gnome is free
Translation : GPL is freerer than LGPL. LGPL allows corporations like Novell
and Sun to have propeitry forks and lock away their changes from the user. Now
that Novell has taken over Ximian you can expect Gnome to get put under
corpirate lock. With KDE you have the choice, you either PAY UP or pay with
your source code.

Nautilus is much better than konqueror.
Wrong, if your using nautilus for anything more than a simple finder clone you
can forget it. No split screen, no ioslaves and forget about being able to
have a decent file dialog, not to forget that it is as unstable as hell and is
STILL slow on >3 Ghz machines.

Gnome is easier to use
Yep, nothing like using gconf-editor to edit all except the most trivial of
settings. Want tear off menus? Want a useable file dialog? You won't find it
here.

Gnome has eye candy
Yes, my pirated Win32 fonts with the patent infringing font renderer. Bit
stream vera sans looks like Tahoma put through a shreadder! Of course I still
reboot into windows to print using "Comic Sans MS.

Gnome has a new web browser
Yawb! Along with Galeon, mozilla, thunderbird, konqueror, atlantis, lynx,
netscape and w3m. Yes I need another browser! Not to mention that its got a
religiously offensive name and it dosen't allow bookmark folders. It also
crashes like a crazy! Apple chose khtml for a REASON! its stable and light!

For newbies, Gnome is the ideal choice
Despite the fact that the only mainstream Gnome based distro has been EOL'd,
and all the newbie distros such as Mangadrake, Lindoze, $u$E, Lycoris,
Xandroze, Gentoo use kde default, the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which
installed Gnome 1.4 by default, so it must be good if he uses it.

You KDE guys must be sick of the K
Our G's and monkeys are SO MUCH better, gedit, glib, gconf, bobono, ghex,
gless, same-gnome.

Gnome is themeable
Yep, choose from High, low and medium contrast, default, and clean ice. Wan't
to change the colour scheme? USE GCONF NOOB, plus if you complain about it we
will tell you to fuck [gnomedesktop.org] off [gnomesupport.org] and go back to Windows [apple.com] or KDE [kde.org] .

Gnome has multimedia framework
Its a kludge of esd combined with broken xine libraries. No wonder it crashes
all the time and dosen't work on 95% of video files

My Gnome work station
My 1.1Ghz Packard Bell box my mum bought for me from PC world, that is made of
made to break components, but it has a GEFORCE RADEON 9000 card, so it must be
good.On the other hand, no-one (well, nearly no-one) is suggesting that GTK+
is a replacement for Qt...

Gnome allows mac like operation.
We have a shameless expose ripoff, with a cheezy name. Next thing you know we
will scrap the panel for a cheezy dock clone. Despite the fact that x86
compatible 1 button mice are almost impossible to find, and it dosen't copy
the whole macbar concept. Our auto apply implementation is broken and
dangerous, but you can always use gconf like a real geek.

Gnome is GNU software.
gnu/Yay, gnu/gnome gnu/for gnu/my gnu/debian gnu/linux gnu/500mhz /gnu/celeron
gnu/packard gnu/bell gnu/box.

Inspired by the gentoo translate-o-matic.

Re:Gnome translate-o-matic 1.5 has been released (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668498)

"the Local unix geek showed me Debian, which installed Gnome 1.4 by default"

Twaddle. My default Debian install didn't even have X installed. I think you'll find that the default when you "apt-get x-windows-system" is TWM. I chose to follow this with "apt-get kde". There is no GNOME installed on my Debian box.

My Eventual Evolution (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668407)

My goal is to evolve into a creature that can only survive on http://slashdot.org

Re:My Eventual Evolution (0, Offtopic)

(void*)cheerio (443053) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668620)

The trick to evolution wouldn't be to survive on slashdot.org, per se, but to rather reproduce using/with slashdot.org.

Groupwise Plugin? (2)

mr_lithic (563105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668409)

I thought that this version was going to include support for Groupwise?

Novell was trumpeting this as their Linux Mail Client on Ximian.

Miguel de Icaza = HITLER! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668410)

Hi. I just compared Miguel to Hitler. Please mod me +5 interesting.

Re:Miguel de Icaza = HITLER! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668496)

No, you just assigned Miguel to Hitler. Learn a real language you little vb hacker.

Re:Miguel de Icaza = HITLER! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668561)

Surely that's assigning Hitler to Miguel?

Re:Miguel de Icaza = HITLER! (1)

ambisinistral (594774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668631)

Umm... actually he assigned Hitler to Miguel.

Many friends have told me to install it ... (0)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668412)

and i did, and it's a nice app, but i just can't get ride of mutt and procmail ...

On the Calendatr screenshots.. (-1, Redundant)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668417)

Yes, I know dinner is so important you need to put it in the calendar each and every night of the year! ;)

Re:On the Calendatr screenshots.. (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668456)

Give the guy a break. It looks like he didn't have dinner all last month and needed a reminder...

Re:On the Calendatr screenshots.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668507)

Yeah, but they have to work on their TV Interviews. They didn't eat anything for _four_ days after it!

slashdotting (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668423)

Hrm... they've got a pretty hefty server, this is gonna be tough.

I know! Link straight to the screenshots page!

Gentoo Users (2, Informative)

peterprior (319967) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668431)

Ebuilds for evolution 1.5 are on breakmygentoo.net [breakmygentoo.net]

Re:Gentoo Users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668553)

I thought Gentoo users were savvy enough to find new ebuilds on their own...

Wait...I get it. You just wanted to throw another annoying Gentoo plug. Hoorah for Gentoo!

S/MIME support? (4, Interesting)

Cthefuture (665326) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668432)

Is S/MIME support new for this release? I poked around on the site some and it looks like it is but I couldn't find any more information about it.

How are certificates and keys managed? Does it (hopefully) use a PKCS#11 module like Mozilla?

I don't know why more stuff doesn't use S/MIME early on. PGP/GPG and the others are not really standard and don't work off-the-shelf with a lot of big software (Mozilla and Outlook being two of them).

KDE port. (Socre:5, Ingishtful) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668445)

Does anybody know when they are going to re-write it using KDE technology? Now that Sun has publicly admitted that its Gnome Desktop is a failure and Ximian and Eazel have both gone out of business i think its best to abondan the legacy gnome desktop for the Modern KDE desktop.

Re:KDE port. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668680)

Now that Sun has publicly admitted that its Gnome Desktop is a failure

Link please.

Ximian and Eazel have both gone out of business

Link please.

If we're gonna get news like this... (5, Insightful)

Raleel (30913) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668448)

How about at least mentioning what features are new?

What new features ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668566)

Eh ?

Fedora Core 1 not supported (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668459)

I tried installing it just now. Their install program says it does not recognize my distribution .. and will not let me install

I am using Fedora Core 1

Developer release? (3, Informative)

Delirium Tremens (214596) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668464)

From the announcement:

The main purpose of this release is, of course, to gather as much testing as possible from users.

So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel? So does that mean that if I am not in a testing mood, I should rather wait for 1.6?

Re:Developer release? (4, Informative)

irix (22687) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668527)

So is Evolution 1.5 a development release? Are they following the same numbering scheme as the Linux kernel?

Yes and yes.

If you don't want to be testing 1.5 then you should be waiting for a stable 2.0 [gnome.org] . Of course, if you can, testing 1.5 is a good thing.

Re:Developer release? (1)

Mark Gordon (14545) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668650)

Exactly. Evolution has been proposed for inclusion in the GNOME 2.6 Desktop release, and this requires periodic release of snapshots according to GNOME release schedule guidelines. This tarball is in many ways more of a milestone release than anything else. It's hardly free of bugs yet. I use it, but I'm in a testing mood. ;-)

Snapshot packages of 1.5 are (and have been) available for several distributions (SuSE Linux 8.2 and 9.0; Red Hat Linux 9; Mandrake Linux 9.1 and 9.2) via either Red Carpet (for those platforms for which Red Carpet has been released, i.e. not yet for SuSE Linux 9.0 or Mandrake Linux 9.2) or at ftp.ximian.com. Note that they're in the Evolution Development Snapshot channel (in Red Carpet) or the /pub/evolution-devel-snapshot directory (on ftp).

Again, the caveat, in case anyone missed it: development, unstable, not really a good idea in a production environment yet.

What's the big excitement? (5, Informative)

milgr (726027) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668466)

This is a development release. According to evolution's planned milestones, the stable 1.6 release will be out in March.

Like the kernel, the odd dot releases are development.

That said, I choose to use evolution 1.4 for most of my email needs.

This is a testing release (5, Informative)

irix (22687) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668467)

This is one of the Evolution testing releases that go along with Gnome 2.5. The goal is a stable Evolution 2.0 and Gnome 2.6 later in the spring. Check out he roadmap [gnome.org] .

So by all means, pick up 1.5 if you want to help with bug fixing, but this is not a "stable" release.

OK this is lame but..... (2, Funny)

Coaster-Sj (614973) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668475)

So Evolution has evolved....

I liked the previous version alot better... (1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668488)

...when it was called Outlook.

If this carbon-copy turd is being held up as a shining example of open-source software, I would have to laugh. Total rip off of another program.

ooh I can connect it to Exchange server? But you will charge me money for this? And this connection software is proprietary and you will not reveal the source code? Sweet.

I still think... (5, Insightful)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668489)

.. that one of the oft-overlooked facilitators of open-source software is having a Windows client. Mozilla/Firebird/Thunderbird seem to understand this, as well as tons of other projects. I am almost at a point where I could switch from Win2k to any flavor of Linux and still use the same apps 90% of the time. (Thunderbird, OO.org, Thunderbird, Gimp, Eclipse, etc)

I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of Evolution and why it may be impossible to run on Windows, but I think that if it were possible, it would be a large boon to the project.

Re:I still think... (0, Flamebait)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668635)

It's an Outlook/Exchange clone. If you want a Windows version, run the real thing.

Re:I still think... (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668665)

I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of Evolution and why it may be impossible to run on Windows, but I think that if it were possible, it would be a large boon to the project.

I would conjecture it's mostly about resources. Most open source projects are very poorly funded -- the new programmer as starving artist paradigm. So, it probably comes down to the fact that, yes, the GTK toolkit has been ported over to windows, yes, there are windows users who would be more likely to migrate if a windows build were available, but, no, it isn't worth squandering the meager resources available to Evolution.

With that said, since Novell now owns Ximian it is possible things may change. I think that would be great, but at the same time, I have to wonder if the money spent on Windows wouldn't be better spent improving Evolution and making it blow Outlook out of the water.

Ximian Connector (3, Interesting)

Chuck Bucket (142633) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668491)

Is there ANY way to try out the Ximian Connector before buying it? I can't convince my company to buy it for me, even though I'm on a Linux workstation running all of the *nix boxes in house. (I run rdesktop to connect to a win box to check my email via Outlook - which is a waste). I want to try it, and would gladly buy it myself if I thought it worked fine. Or, can anyone testify to it's usefulness? Evoltion has come such a long way in the past year, I really want to start using that fulltime.

CB

Re:Ximian Connector (2, Informative)

tita (31401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668624)

Call them up and ask them for a tryout version. A coworker of mine did that and Ximian (was still ximian back then) just gave him a version to test.

Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (1, Interesting)

Tet (2721) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668492)

It's more bloated than emacs. And that's saying something. But more than that, it's the wrong approach. The world doens't need a huge integrated app that tries to do aeverything under the sun. We need small, well desgined apps that do exactly what they say on the tin, and that work well together. The GNOME project is in dire need of a calendaring tool, but after they discontinued gnome-pim, Evolution is the only option. I already have a mail program, and I'm not about to switch (Evolution doesn't give me the functionality I need, for a start). Unfortunately, there's no way to get at the calendaring without taking the whole lot. And the calendaring doesn't seem to work anyway... it doesn't give me a popup when a meeting is due. Which makes it pretty useless :-(

Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668558)

Dumbass, The world already has moved way past you. We are talking about GUI stuff for the masses NOT the Unix Phil, BIG difference.

Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (1)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668559)


Have you looked at Mozilla Calendar [mozilla.org] ?

Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (2, Informative)

tero (39203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668618)

As long time mutt user I agree with your sentiments, however I'm quite sure Evolution (and similar 'bloated' applications) are needed if Linux ever wants to take over the corporate desktop world.

I also agree the it would be nice to have a separate Gnome calendar (i.e KDE's Organizer, or whatever it was called) but in the mean while Mozilla Calendar [mozilla.org] looks quite good...

Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (2, Interesting)

ambrosius27 (251484) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668649)

One of the main goals of the Evolution 5.x/2.0 release is to better separate the different modules, so that separate mail, calendar, task, and contact programs will be much, much easier. The frontend/backend split (i.e. Evolution and evolution-data-server) and simplified APIs will help in this regard, as will the deprecation of the tree-view side-panel. The Evolution hackers are also toying with making stand-alone shells for the calendar, task, contact, and email programs. With the new structure, such separation should be much simpler.

Cheers!

Re:Won't be going anywhere near my systems... (1)

skajake (613518) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668662)

The evolution roadmap calls for a breakup of the component similar to what Mozilla is planning for Thunder/Fire Bird.

Ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668504)

I prefer Gnome myself. This is ugly.

Re:Ugly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668599)

yes

evolution is ugly as compared to gnome

as is this chick [stickysexpics.com]

Remote calendar support? (5, Insightful)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668511)

Evolution is truly a first class application. Polished, debugged, good-looking, and professional.

That having been said, though, I am still disappointed by the fact that they are not supporting remote calendars out of the box. Sure, you can buy plugins to connect it to Exchange, or Netscape/iPlanet/SunONE/JES calendar server (whatever they're calling it this week), and presumably Groupwise (soon) ... but where's the built-in support for remote calendars using an open protocol? Folks like me who are developing open source groupware servers [citadel.org] are anxiously awaiting good clientware to connect to. How about putting WCAP in the standard build? It's well-documented [sun.com] and much simpler than the disgusting mess the IETF is proposing (CAP has the dubious honor of being the one protocol even uglier than IMAP).

So how about it, codemonkeys? The sooner we get some real open source calendaring going, the sooner we can start to make a real challenge to Outlook. Microsoft loves the Outlook/Exchange lock-in. They love it so much that they're trying to do the same thing across their entire product line (Office 2003 has many ties to SharePoint server). The window of opportunity is open, but it won't be forever.

Not following HIG (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668521)

And it still doesn't follow the GNOME HIG, Toolbar not customizable (not following Icons Only, Text besides Icons, Text below Icons and Text only), too many entries in the Menu.

What purpose does the GNOME HIG have if nobody cares a shit for it ? On the otherhand it looks like entourage - what an innovation.

Evolution 1.5 Screens (3, Informative)

breman (683776) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668522)

calenders [members.shaw.ca]
mail [members.shaw.ca]
tasks [members.shaw.ca]

Lacking info.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668537)

Nice that you include the 'obligatory' screenshots so they can get slashdoted...

But how about the obligatory 'what the fuck is it'?

I know that this would make your 2 line post into 3 lines but we must all sacrifice in these difficult times.

bayesian spam filter? (4, Interesting)

pyros (61399) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668539)

Anyone know when that is going to be added. I remember seeing some posts about getting started on it on the developer mailing list after 1.4 was released, but I don't see mention of it.

Windows version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668545)

Where can I download the Win32 version of Evolution? I want to try this program out, but I'm not intelligent enough to install and use Linux or *BSD. I'm using MozillaThunderbird right now, but I'd like to see how Evolution performs. Your thoughts?

Optometrix v20.20 release coming soon? (0, Offtopic)

cryptoluddite (658517) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668551)

Seriously the fonts in Linux are just terrible. I used to think I screwed up my Fedora install since the Windows fonts were so crisp compared to Linux, but judging by the screenshots it's just all Linux I guess.

My eyes used to hurt looking at Linux until I changed my fonts to a non-proportional bitmap font and turned off antialiasing -- now it's crisp even though it looks butt ugly. I tried every setting (days of goofing around) and nothing else worked. I even copied the Windows fonts to Linux, but they were blurred too.

Does anybody know how to get crisp fonts on Linux? Thx.

Re:Optometrix v20.20 release coming soon? (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668668)

Does anybody know how to get crisp fonts on Linux? Thx.

Put:

export GDK_USE_XFT=0

in your ~/.xinitrc file (or whatever the Gnome/KDE equivilent is) to turn off GTK2/Xft's antialiasing.

Time for the Final Solution! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668565)

Fucking Gnome users, they are evil, they must be destroyed. From now on, gnome users will be forced to walk bare footed and live in the Debian Based Ghettos. And one by one, we will send them to AutzwiKh, the KDE master race will reign supreme!

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Exchange attachemts supported? (TNEF Mime types) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668569)

Please tell me that Exchange/Outlook encoded attachments work now!

Evolution is driving me nuts. While I lothe Exchange, and there are tools for dealing with Exchange (TNEF) attachments, they are clumsy and have caused me no end of headaches.

I'd even buy a copy of Ximian Connector if that were an option (it isn't; we're using Exchange 5.5x here).

Switching to POP and SMTP means that all attachments from the Exchange server are in TNEF format. Using tools like tnefclean (tnefclean.pl) are causing me headaches.

Feature Request (4, Insightful)

timothyf (615594) | more than 10 years ago | (#7668664)

http://www.research.ibm.com/remail/ [ibm.com]

In my opinion, borrowing ideas like that for a groupware/email client would be what distinguishes Evolution from the competition.

Oh, and pretty please make a Winders version for those of us that are stuck here? :)

alt.ascii-art (vierswas.txt) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7668685)

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