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Music Industry Develops Centralized File-Sharing System

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the missing-the-point dept.

Music 241

pearljam145 writes "A new file-sharing standard designed to distribute copyrighted music and movies legitimately has been developed by a technology consortium. The system could deliver any content format to any computer, and users might even earn rewards points for sharing the files. Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself. The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft, is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players."

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Hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701502)

I'm high

Re:Hello (-1)

handybundler (232934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701538)

you obviously were not too high to qualify!!!

YOU DID IT!

Congratulations from trolls and crapflooders alike here at slashdong! You got first post!!!

YOU DID IT!

It's new to you! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701625)

I would like to bring your attention to the Troll of the week. [slashdot.org]

Re:It's new to you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701888)

with only two replies, that's hardly 'troll of the week'. 'lengthy-crapflood' is what that should really be called.

FP? (-1, Troll)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701505)

+5 Troll.

First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701507)

All others are illegal copies

The actual specification... (5, Informative)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701510)

...can be downloaded right here [crforum.org] in a zipped PDF. There's an XML Schema on the last page of the "Core Specification 1.0".

Re:The actual specification... (3, Funny)

Beautyon (214567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701702)

The banner image on the http://crforum.org/ site says everything about what the companies involved think about themselvs.

They are living in a dream world. And that is a good thing.

Tubux .... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701745)

tux like mushmouth usta say!

Dupe? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701511)

From two days ago [slashdot.org] ?

Re:Dupe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7702016)

Yes, it's a dupe.

What this is is a spec for an XML system that will encode all the legalese that the pigopolist cartel want to enforce - for example, "when this song is downloaded, Vivendi gets $0.50, Warner gets $0.10" or "allow this to be played 3 times". In other words, granular terms for DRM and payment schemes to be enforced.

The other half of it, of corse, is for players to enforce all this BS. They're hoping it will become a standard that a lot of players will support - and enforce, with digital keys and such, and eventually via hardware. MS is on board.

To answer some other posters, no, there's no value here for users. There's anti-value for users. Some of us will just avoid players that obey this scheme and use "open" files.

Comments? (-1, Offtopic)

shokk (187512) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701512)

Where are the comments? Something seems broken today...

Re:Comments? (0, Offtopic)

dotwaffle (610149) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701528)

I just think nobody cares anymore. It's no big deal. This happens all the time now. Old news... NEXT!

Re:Comments? (0, Offtopic)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701543)

No, I've had problems too. For a while, none of the posts on the front page were showing any comments when I lcicked.

Re:Comments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701541)

I noticed the same thing about 3 minutes ago. Only seems to affect registered users. It's just a glich in the Slashdot...

Re:Comments? (0, Offtopic)

Jythriadoc (194248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701764)

This was the quote from the UN guy Sid's AC. I've found myself using this quote quite a bit. The more I think about it the more accurate it is. Did Firaxis really make it up or did it come from somewhere else?

Jyth

FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701515)

Post Fistly slashdot screwey t'day or what???

comments (-1)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701516)

are broken
fix it

Re:comments (-1)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701537)

nm, fixed, good job team slash dot

technology -1,redundant (5, Funny)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701518)

its called usenet. and people share huge files there anyway. if this catches on little jimmy is going to be learning about tar archives pretty quickly.

Shh! (5, Funny)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701594)

Ontday alktay about usenetbay!

Re:Shh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701835)

what's that a reference to? some monty python skit?

Re:Shh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701940)

pig latin, retard.

Re:technology -1,redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701691)

Yeah, but "Virus Distribution Network" might be a bit clearer to the general public.

Do you have VD? Sure do!

System was developed by the music industry (0, Informative)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701525)

and is therefore evil. FUCK YUO riaa fucks!!@@@1111

drm? (1)

ed8150 (554077) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701527)

o wait, it will have tons of drm restrictions on it wont it?

Re:drm? (1)

LPetrazickis (557952) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701876)

RTFSummary. There's no point in DRMing factoids about real content.;)

um... thanks for the help RIAA (5, Funny)

akaina (472254) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701534)

so... this program will help me correctly fill in the ID3 tags of all my MP3's? Thanks :)

Re:um... thanks for the help RIAA (2, Informative)

ViolentGreen (704134) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701566)

Musicmatch will do that if you can force yourself to use windows. That's one of musicmatch's few decent features.

Re:um... thanks for the help RIAA (2, Funny)

FesterDaFelcher (651853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701646)

Enhanced Super Tagging is great. I used Musicmatch just to ID3 my huge collection. Don't use it anymore though. Yes, I know you're not supposed to verb nouns, but it's fun.

Re:um... thanks for the help RIAA (4, Informative)

Alan (347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701910)

Check out MusicBrainz [musicbrainz.org] , it will fingerprint your ogg or mp3 files and compare the fingerprint against their database (all OSS btw) and send back the correct id3 tags, and save the music files into the directory structure you set up. If it can't find the files you can import missing albums in from freedb or put in albums yourself. It's gotten a lot better in the last year or so as far as the number of fingerprints it has. It's a very sweet system, I just finished tagging a collection of >100G of mp3s and oggs (from various sources) and it performed fantastically.

Right now the tagger program is only for windows, but the author just got a grant and will be working to develop linux and os/x taggers. The libraries are all OSS and there are a few (not as good) taggers written with them for other OSs.

The point is? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701535)

What's the point of this if I can't actually share the content itself? Why would I want to share a description only?

Re:The point is? (3, Interesting)

webwench_72 (541358) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701593)

I would guess (given the article seems to be slashdotted) that it allows the same sort of referencing, playlist-sharing, and new-music-recommendation capabilities of existing music-sharing services, without the problematic issue of sharing the copyrighted content itself. IN other words, they're getting their users to do their advertising for them, without giving anything back. But it does seem to me to be a step in the right direction.

Re:The point is? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701653)

Sounds rather more like BitTorrent with DRM added to me.

Re:The point is? (3, Informative)

jc42 (318812) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701687)

Well, if it contains the descriptive info from tracks, this could be a very useful addition to any ripper. The problem is that the CDDB doesn't seem to contain anything other than the title of a track. There's none of the usual info (tune composer, people playing, instruments, where they learned the tune, etc.) that ever shows up. This info is also missing from iTunes, which also shows you just the track title.

If there's an online DB giving the "liner notes" on the track, maybe we can get this info onto our disks next to the MP3 or ogg of the music.

I for one, welcome any source of info about the music that I'm "stealing" (i.e., putting into a form that I can play on my own equipment). It'd be real handy when I want to, say, make my own cover of a song or perform it at a paying gig, and I'd like to contact its owners for permission. When they hide this info from me, I either don't use the music, or I use it without the proper permissions and attributions because I can't find them.

Re:The point is? (0)

funkhauser (537592) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701780)

I for one, welcome any source of info about the music that I'm "stealing"

And I, for one, welcome our new music distribution overlords.

Re:The point is? (3, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701785)


Why would I want to share a description only?

That's what I was thinking when I read the article. It's just silly, for example: would anyone even consider sharing book reviews from Amazon? What is the point?

Of course when music sales drop further the RIAA will blame teh intarweb and not the fact that they sign (mostly) unoriginal, boring musicians.

Re:The point is? (1)

Alan (347) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701975)

Because the music industry wants to control the content, and wants the public (their customers) pay for it again and again, without actually ever getting it into their grubby, theiving hands.

Re:The point is? (0)

TheOv3rminD (731350) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702052)

yeah its like "heres all the good stuff i have but you cant download it" ohh wait we have that alredy its called kazaa

Been around for ages... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701544)

You just had to use a client called shops to get hold of your product. Serious product lock-in if ever I saw it and the interface was cluttered and clunky...

useful... (1, Funny)

mcbunny29 (583989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701580)


Because the files contain no content, they could be distributed in any way without concerns about piracy.

I can see how consumers will love sharing and downloading nothing. RIAA version of File-sharing becomes Nothing-sharing.

Re:useful... (1, Funny)

Polkyb (732262) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701622)

They could call it Crap-ster :-)

Re:useful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701716)

Shut up and drink your Crapple.

Cab driver stank like shit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701846)

I can't believe it!

I just took a cab home from work and the goddamn taxi and the driver stank of shit. Pure and unadulterated poo.

Re:useful... (1)

jc42 (318812) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701793)

On the contrary, the files do contain "content" (i.e., characters), and that content is almost certainly copyrighted. It's just not the music. But pretty nearly any string of bytes can be copyrighted. AT&T even claims a copyright on a blank line ...

Points! (5, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701584)

They want me to host the files that will link to their servers and get them paid! This is nothing more than a distributed bandwidth reduction process. In return you get these imaginary points with no cash value. This isn't file sharing people, this is bandwidth redistribution.

Re:Points! (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701874)

Wasn't something like this proposed a year or so ago, by one of the filesharing networks of less than stellar ethics?

The principle of "share a file, get paid for your trouble and bandwidth" is sound enough in itself. But in my experience, "points" that have to be redeemed are mainly a way to avoid ever having to pay anyone, since typically they either expire before you can accumulate enough to have value, or you need an unreasonably large amount (or must add some cash yourself) to get anything for 'em.

i don't understand the value proposition (5, Insightful)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701590)

I basically end up hosting 'links' on my computer that point to a pay-as-you-go service.

Essentially, I offer spam on my file sharing connection to other users.

Because each file has meta-information about myself, perhaps I can earn 'bonus points' and get free credit to download the latest Britney Spears single.

A simpler model of this system would be "we'll pay your for legitimate e-mail addreesses of your friends to whom we can send corporate spam."

The article is light on details, but as a business model I think this is one of the worst I've read about in months. The value proposition is so low I can't see anyone participating in this.

Sounds more like a banner exchange. (3, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701592)

Sure keeping an open mind is a good and noble thing but I am a suspicious bugger and fail to see the WOW factor.

So now I can send you a small file that will allow you to get an album or movie after you pay for it. Exactly how is this different from me linking you to say amazon with my referer number?

Sure if you can get a lot of people to take note of your recommendations you could make some money perhaps but this type of stuff has existed for years.

Oh well. NEXT

Hoping it will be incorporated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701596)

Why don't they just create an open-source program or module on their own and release it as open source? It would get the format out in the public eye, and give them a rare bit of good publicity.

clearly out of touch (3, Insightful)

holy_smoke (694875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701597)

once again, they clearly demonstrate their non-grasp of the file sharing concept, and for this target market's desires and needs.

*Bzzzt* Sorry, try again please.

How about a closed P2P network that you pay a monthly fee to access via secure clients, and that network would have actual files that you could download? Nah... too simple. *rolls eyes*

Centralized (5, Funny)

paul248 (536459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701599)

Haven't we learned that centralized file sharing isn't a good idea? This'll get shut down by the music industry in no tim-- oh, never mind.

Why do we need a centralized system? (0)

scumbucket (680352) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701603)

I thought one already existed. It's called Kazaa....

Re:Why do we need a centralized system? (1)

MoeMoe (659154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701925)

Not sure if you were joking or not, but Kazaa is a de-centralized network... the files you get come from other users on the network (also known as P2P), not from a central server... That's why the RIAA can't shut down Sharman so easily, Sharman technically isn't infringing on any copyright if they don't actually distribute the content themselves.

possible loophole? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701617)

...could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself.

How about this: right shift the content by one bit, then share that and the information about the shifted data. The content itself is not shared, sort of.

Just what we need... (1)

pdaoust007 (258232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701619)

More control from the music industry and Micrsoft... I bet they can't wait to add this to WMA.

Piracy in story submission? (4, Insightful)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701626)

Actually, it wasn't pearjam145 who said it. Allow me to annotate his submission slightly:
First story paragraph:
A new file-sharing standard designed to distribute copyrighted music and movies legitimately has been developed by a technology consortium. The system could deliver any content format to any computer, and users might even earn rewards points for sharing the files.

Third story paragraph:
Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself.

First half of second story paragraph:
The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft,...

Last story paragraph: ...is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players...

The real story was written by Will Knight of the New Scientist news service, for the record.

Come on now... Or was this just an amazing use of plagerism to illustrate the point in a story about fair use rights and legal music sharing (note that quoting verbatim half the story without attribution is not fair-use, at least not in the US)?

Re:Piracy in story submission? (1)

smack_attack (171144) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701909)

Oh shit, you figured out the dynamics of blogging, someone from MovableType will be at your house in 3 minutes to kill you.

RUN DUDE!

Wheee! (2, Insightful)

jefu (53450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701628)

This has been attracting a fair amount of attention recently but it doesn't look to me like they've done more build an XML schema for sharing meta-information.

It really just looks like they've found a way that they think will work to reduce their advertising costs.

This does not address in any way the real problems of the music industry, the copyright issues and the like, but has been hyped recently as exactly that - probably to distract the public attention from those issues.

Darn underpants gnomes (4, Funny)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701634)

Step 1: Create a really stupid P2P system.
Step 2: Convince Congress to outlaw everything else.
Step 3: Profit

Re:Darn underpants gnomes (1)

Yakko (4996) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701712)

Step 2: Convince Congress to outlaw everything else.

So, they're set to outlaw things like email, FTP, HTTP, IRC, various IM programs and DVD-Rs? What a deal! All in the effort to make the world safe for Happy Jack. :oD

Re:Darn underpants gnomes (5, Funny)

carpe_noctem (457178) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702002)

1. Take well known slashdot joke, screw up formatting
2. Get modded to +5, funny
3. ???
4. Profit!!

Advertisement Sharing (5, Insightful)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701635)

If you RTFA, you'll see it's not about content sharing it's about advertising sharing. Users can share information about the content, but not the content itself. This is a non-event.

Advertising (5, Interesting)

jefu (53450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702023)

It suddenly occured to me to wonder what would happen if you actually put out a bad review about something. Do I really believe that these guys will assist in moving such negative information around? Somehow I doubt it.

The benefits of abolishing copyright (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701642)

Let's look for a moment at the benefits of abolishing copyright. We're all familiar with public libraries and how they make information available to everyone. Such libraries currently do not exist on any computer network, except in a very limited way. The main reason: copyright concerns, and the unwillingness of publishers to allow the works they control to become available electronically. This is one of the costs of copyright law.

Imagine your ultimate stereo system. Don't be bashful - if it's really the ultimate, it should include a music library containing every piece of music ever recorded, and a program which can use your past music preferences to suggest new pieces of music for you to listen to. It would be an incredibly mind-expanding device, and one which is technologically not far off - but the introduction of the personal music library will likely be delayed by a decade or more because of copyright problems.

Electronic magazines; special interest news programs which are compilations of the most interesting articles from diverse sources; computer program libraries so programmers don't have to reinvent the wheel; information devices such as an encyclopedia you can wear as a pair of earrings - all of these things would be made much easier and less expensive by the elimination of copyright.

If we abolish copyright, it will be much harder for authors and performing artists to get paid. Absolutely true. Some will say this is a fatal objection. I disagree strongly.

Sometimes changes in technology lead to changes in the economy. The invention of the steam shovel put a lot of ditch-diggers out of work. And the advent of the information age is going to make it impossible for authors to retain strict control over the distribution of their work. Should we then pass laws to try to allow authors to regain that control? Absolutely not. If the authors find life more difficult in the information age, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

As it turns out, though, the information age contains more benefit than harm for authors. The process of getting published becomes as easy as pressing the 'return' key, and anyone can participate. The result will be to make the authorship process much less elitist.

'How can we arrange for authors and artists to get paid? I think we're up to it'
We still have a challenge: how can we arrange for authors and artists to get paid? I agree that it's a challenge, but I think we're up to it. They could:

- get grants;
- hold an academic position where reputation counts;
- give live performances;
- market their recordings themselves;
- publish 'shareware';
- produce a new work and charge a publisher a moderate up-front fee for being the first on the market with the work;
- embed advertising in their work and distribute it widely for free.

We can also design alternative institutions to support artists - for instance:

- A 'book of the month club' which pays artists to contribute their work. True, without copyright you can't arrest freeloaders, but if the service is worth a lot and only costs a little, people will join it.
- People are willing to pay a little money to feel good. An on-line entertainment service which pays authors a small royalty and brags about it may be more profitable than one which doesn't.
'The maintenance of copyright laws is just a finger in the dike'
But even if it becomes harder for authors to make money (and I'm not convinced that will be the case), the benefits to information consumers far outweigh the costs. And really, there's no other choice. The maintenance of copyright laws is just a finger in the dike. People familiar with computer technology understand that, in the computer world, "bits are bits." A piece of music, a book, a picture, a computer program - they're all just information, and the only technological way to prevent my copying any of them is to outlaw computers altogether.

Re:The benefits of abolishing copyright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701959)

Five bucks says this is the only time this gets insightful.

Re:The benefits of abolishing copyright (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702019)

It is an interesting read though.....

Re:The benefits of abolishing copyright (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702073)

I can tell you from experience, putting your finger in a 'dike' doesn't solve anything!

I can share metadata? (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701643)

Wow, what a wonderful advance over the days when I could share actual content. Sign me up today. Reformat my computer to make sure I don't inadvertantly allow any form of content sharing. Install the surveillance camera to make sure I don't attempt to fall back into my old habits. Give me the brain implant to ensure I don't contemplate doubleungoodthink.

I dunno... (5, Interesting)

Yakko (4996) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701660)

I tend to not want to reward the content industries like RIAA and MPAA by using my bandwidth to share metadata. Also, they mention something about device independence. I'll believe that when I see content play on a FreeBSD machine (for example) without having to install special software.

It's way too late for these industries to be asking us to trust them at all. For the bulk of us, I'm sure that trust is gone for good.

This won't really do much to protect content. I think it'll be just like all other protection schemes -- subject to transcoding into a format that can be used (and shared) by anything.

Everybody sing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701670)

D. U. P. E.
D. U. P. E.

to the tune of Y. M. C. A.

This sounds like Word 2003... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701674)

...with protected documents. The clients connect to a server to gain access to the actual document content.

Pyramaid marketing scheme here (5, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701677)

Points are given out based on how many people you can get suckered into paying to download a license for these files. Payments for getting friends and family to spend money on a third party product, how long until you get more points for getting them to also become a distributor. Tis nothing more than a pyramid marketing scheme. Pyramid schemes were once known for things like filter queen and herbalife. Perhaps we should call this marketing program "needalife"?

If they were being honest about they could just market to the masses with commercials and have honest downloads like itunes or the like. Instead they are trying to get the masses to go astroturfing on their behalf. Expose this for the lie that it is.

Clients (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701679)

Nice idea I guess, but I suppose our friends at Microsoft won't be making the source available so we can all share in the fun with a Linux client???

Sick and tired (2, Interesting)

Pergatory (596016) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701682)

I don't think there's anything wrong with /., I think everyone is just sick and tired of hearing about the poor music industry losing their iron hold on creativity. Boo hoo. At least they finally realized that they can't sue us into their way of thinking. Too bad it's too late, unless they've received SO much bad publicity that it perpetuates their evil empire through fear rather than genuine market profit. Bye bye, RIAA, we won't miss you.

Danger, danger! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701689)

The system could deliver any content format to any computer

and

backed by technology companies including Microsoft

More likely, any computer running the newest Windows ;) While the specification might be released, all that means is that anyone can get on the network and share. It does not mean that the actual files do not have to be Windows only compatible. So while Linux and Mac users connect and share, they will be sharing Windows media file 'headers' (after all, you will not even be sharing the actual files themselves!)

Bit Torrent ? (1)

polyp2000 (444682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701696)

"computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data,"

sounds a bit like bit torrent to me.

Embrace and extend it , slap on some DRM and voila redmond does it again and now has even more power than it did before.

Of course if I cant play the movies or mp3's on my new computer because I havent bought the latest DRM enabled motherboard and installed a non-pirated legal version of the redmond operating system. Im not interested! Microsoft's new Motto should be ...

"Microsoft.. Who do you want us to control today? ..."

Well... (0, Offtopic)

david_g (24196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701698)

Maybe if everyone kept all slashdot stories in a P2P system, it would make it cooler for the editors to search for dupes?

Just a bulkier mutation of Google (2, Insightful)

Nick Watkins (678563) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701713)

After reading the article, this appears to be nothing more than some kind of perverted searching application. Basically a user will search for content and see links that the user can then select to download the material after paying for it. They should save the trouble and simply pay Google to incorporate this into their search engine.

What about clips or something? (2, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701738)

There needs to be some element of the music that can be sampled or shared -- and I mean for every single track on the system. The whole reason people have to share music illegally is because it's impossible to sample every track on an album without buying the album first. People are wise to the fact that a lot of the time, albums have one or two good songs, and no one's dumb enough to go out and buy an album like that without sampling it first. For this system to work, you need to be able to sample any and all tracks that you want, and to share those samples with everyone, and then get kickbacks if those shares are turned into sales... like an affiliate program.
wow, my brain is working today!

Absolutely worthless.... (0, Redundant)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701739)

And why did this make front page /.? This is completely worthless. You're not sharing the actual file, not even an encrypted version of the actual file. This is more like a db of information about songs, wasting YOUR bandwidth. No thanks.

Gee... (1)

rockabilly (468561) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701747)

"Using the new standard, computer users could share small files containing information about music, video or other data, but not the content itself."

WOW!! That sounds exciting! We definately need something like this around! I'm sure millions will be subscribing to this service.

Step into my parlor, said the spider to the fly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701752)

Umm, no thanks.

They still don't get it. (1)

digerata (516939) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701768)

The industries still don't get it.

Its not about sharing. Its about getting what you want, when you want it. A.K.A., Now. File sharing was simply a piece to fill the void of online distributors. Look at iTunes. There is no sharing involved to distribute the files.

I'm actually glad the industries still don't get it. It means they may still be on their way out.

How is this different than, say, freedb? (2, Insightful)

Rick Richardson (87058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701770)

I guess I don't get it. There has to be some value to the metadata in these files over and above what you can get from freedb (currently about 250MB compressed with about 1.1M CDs cataloged).

Otherwise, why would people want to host and share this information? Maybe they are going to give away the lyrics for free? Song snippets? Music video snippets? Somebody who has bothered to RTFA, please give us a clue!

-Rick

Hell.. (1)

Deleriux (709637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701782)

They might even call it Jabber.

irrelevant (1)

gacp (601462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701805)

How amazing! And how irrelevant.

What we need is a system that rewards the creators as a proportion of the people sharing the stuff freely. And starves the pirates and ramson-racketeers of the RIAA thughs and their likes, who stand blocking the way and steal from both the creators and the public sides. I cannot think of a system like that, but the first to come with such a model will be the hero of the decade, if not of the century.

That will be news. This is noise.

i feel their pain (1)

eyenot (102141) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701818)

i understand what is being said by music industry. i comprehend them.

see, they are saying that we can't trade content but we can trade description-of-content. they are suggesting we will be as excited about description-of-content as we are about content itself.

in other words, they are saying that they think we need to use our imaginations more. this is like one of those 'get your community educated' exercises.

their hope is that by exercising our imaginations more, we will all go out and take music lessons and become musicians.

the reason for this is that if there are more musicians releasing more music, then music costs less, so you have less of a reason to steal it. and, musicians can make their own music any time they want so they never have to steal it. this way, the companies don't 'lose' 'money'.

instead, they just go out of business. in fact, their model is working already ahead-of-time: people are so musically inclined that they won't even try to use this new description-of-content sharing method, they will just imagine that it sucks!

Bullshit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701860)

I want music for free!!!

creators' mandates promote sharing to gnu levels? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701872)

unprecedented evile/corepirate nazis/softwar thugs (Score:-1)
by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12, @06:04AM (#7699252)
cloning each other/themselves?

they need to .continually refresh the suppLIE of wannabe fraudulent phonIE monIE billyonerrors, as the # of those with felony grand larcenIE indictmeNTs pending, or already sentenced, & on 'probation', grows daily.

no matter, as the unprecedented evile execrable's clones are greed/fear/ego based also, they are no match for the creators' newclear power, & planet/population rescue mandates..

actually, this stuff is unbreakable, operates seamlessly on several (more than 3) dimensions, & offers unlimited energy to build on.

a real nightmare for the whoreabull payper liesense corepirate nazi softwar gangster stock markup fraud execrable/walking dead contingent.

for each of the creators' innocents harmed, there is a badtoll that must/will be repaid by you/US, as the greed/fear/ego based perpetraitors of the life0cide against the planet/population, will not be available to make reparations.

felonious softwar gangsters hoping to freeze time? (Score:0)

by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday December 11, @06:35AM (#7688518 [slashdot.org])

buy striking DOWn UN motion to promote gnu/free stuff to developing nations.

they
seem to have hit the eXPanding georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi
execrable moretoll bullock. it's really just a sintax (t)error, whereas
the fuddites' infactdead process, keeps replacing the 'one' in one
wwworld, with won.

lookout bullow. continued pretending does not help/makes things worse?, if that's even possible.

united? nations? just won?

consult
with/trust in yOUR creators.... the light itself, is not frozen, but
does does function just as well in extremely low temperatures, all the
way down to mynuts won? see you there?

free content base? (1)

cosyne (324176) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701878)

If it would allow people to share legitimate, free music (live concert recordings and indy groups who want their music available, as well as music old enough to not be copyrighted (Bach, for instance) assuming the performers are willing), they might have something worth using. Otherwise, they'll never get a user base.

Say what? (1)

buss_error (142273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701921)

The Content Reference Forum (CRF), founded by Universal Music Group backed by technology companies including Microsoft, is hoping the sharing file standard will be adopted by technology companies and incorporated into software music players.

RIAA: "Here, sucker, use our system that doesn't do squat and keeps you from doing what you were doing."

User: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

These people beleive their own propaganda. What dupes.

Gee, they must be reading part of my posts. (1)

i_r_sensitive (697893) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701937)

I said they should have done this, but I figured after Napster was the time. They've peed in too many bowls of cornflakes for folks to forget

They just dont get it do they (5, Insightful)

cpn2000 (660758) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701941)

Music labels need to understand that the only way for them to discourage file (copyrighted music) sharing in a meaningful way is to offer people better, legitimate alternatives, not some half assed gimmick like this.

Apple has demonstrated that when you give people the choice to buy music in the form they want, and at a reasonable way, people will buy. There are no gimmicks in their offering, and you simply pay for what you want.

Today, when I walk into a record store and look at the prices of CDs, I usually end up not buying anything at all, not because I cannot afford them, but because I do not think I am getting value for my money. 18 dollar CDs with 2 or 3 songs that I really want, is not a good deal in my book.

I wonder if they'll ever figure it out ... sigh

and then... (1)

slavitos (666569) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701949)

... and I guess when this doesn't catch on, RIAA will sue people for NOT using their file-sharing system.

This is the most brilliant idea anyone ever had (5, Funny)

subjectstorm (708637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701972)

You know what's really SO great about this proposed file sharing system?

What's so great is that it doesn't actually allow you share anything. OH . . . MY . . . GOD! SIGN ME UP!!!

Now i can make "metadatas" that say things like "Britney Speerz r0XX0rZ! sHe 0wnz j00! loolollllol!!1!!11! omgroflbrb!!111!!!1" and . . . and . . . OMG! i can SHARE these with all my friends!!!

and then, presumably, because they had that metadata, they would now have the permissions necessary to purchase her music from some online music store without getting to listen to it first! Man! I WISH that wal-mart worked that way, but they'll let just ANYBODY come in and buy music without listening to it first, or, or, they try to make you preview it on those nasty headphone things? ew?

And they don't even give you POINTS for it.

God, i love points. One time, i got like, a millions points on pac-man, and i almost creamed my shorts.

iTunes is so dead.

Possibly a step in the right direction. (2, Interesting)

CmdrNullo (717391) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702005)

On the plus side, the music industry appears to be getting away from expecting that people will share their DRM'd files with no compensation. A reward structure in terms of merchandise or better access to the network is absolutely necessary for them to leverage a peer to peer network. Also, the music industry having been involved in these sorts of standards helps contradict the automatic demonization of any peer to peer network.

It won't work (3, Interesting)

Frennzy (730093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702007)

How long will it be before folks who use the service realize they can imbed links to free versions of the music in the metadata? For that matter, how limited is the metadata? How about an mp3 converted to a long ascii string inserted into the metadata, which can then be reconverted back into a binary mp3/ For me, I wouldn't mind paying per song to download quality material...I do believe that artists should be compensated for their work. What I don't understand is why so many of them DON'T jump off their label contracts and embrace the largest global market, with next to no production costs. Create music. Record music. Post music to website with shopping cart. Wait for money to roll in. Sure, the fabulously wealthy 'stars' probably wouldn't make as much money this way...but what about the folks that don't have a contract/label? Why not go straight to publishing? Hell, there are tens of millions of 'writers' out there in blogland publishing their own written works...

It would be easier ... (1)

ciupman (413849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702022)

... to drop those damn cd prices once and for all

Better late than never (2, Insightful)

teklob (650327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702076)

if they had thought of this before they started prosecuting everyone in sight, then it would probably have worked a whole lot better
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