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Solaris 9 x86 Review

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the kicking-the-tires dept.

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ValourX writes "Here is a review of Solaris 9 x86, 08/03 edition. Now that the single-CPU edition is free to download for non-commercial use, people will be compelled to write a Solaris CD and try it out. Read this first -- there are a lot of things you should know before you begin. You might want to check out the documentation or explore other resources like the hardware compatibility list as well."

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GNAA Announces responsibility for kernel backdoor (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710436)

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Oh yes, complled (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710455)

I simply can't resist that urge to try Solaris 9. It's like the forbidden fruit! Right after I'm done with Solaris 9, I'm going to look for a copy of Windows NT 3.5, maybe OS/2 1.3, or possibly Windows 1.0.

big boobs in a boxen!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710634)

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Reviewer bias (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710457)

After trashing the compatibility ("no hardware made in the last 5 years will run Solaris 9") and usability ("this is purely a server OS, nothing here for the desktop user") and also the installer ("the installer crashed and I had to start over 3 times"), he STILL somehow tries to compare it to Windows 2000?

No surprise really, what else would you expect from someone who uses the term "GNU/Linux"?

Re:Reviewer bias (1, Funny)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710487)

Not to mention his assertion that SCO UnixWare is a viable operating system option. (I hope that was a joke)

Re:Reviewer bias (2)

AndrewRUK (543993) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710612)

Well, he does say "If you're feeling particularly masochistic you could pay a ton of money for SCO's rinky-dink UnixWare or OpenServer products" which suggests to me that he doesn't rate UnixWafre highly.

SHEEP MODERATORS GET DUPED AGAIN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710636)

Hey guys, should you be moderating the comments when you didnt even read the article?

None of those so-called quotes appear in the article. I made them up.

Dumbasses.

Re:SHEEP MODERATORS GET DUPED AGAIN (-1, Offtopic)

scrytch (9198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710655)

Automodding parent via repost:

SHEEP MODERATORS GET DUPED AGAIN (Score:0)

Hey guys, should you be moderating the comments when you didnt even read the article?

None of those so-called quotes appear in the article. I made them up.

Dumbasses.


He may be a troll, but you did mod him up.

Re:SHEEP MODERATORS GET DUPED AGAIN (1)

scrytch (9198) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710674)

Incidentally, after reading the rest of the posts at threshold 0, I'm going back to 2 to stay. Not that it does any good when the moderators don't RTFA.

hey, this isn't butte montana (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710777)


    • mods points pwoned by GNAA

How does this help us, or Sun (4, Insightful)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710481)

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Sun guy going back to the SunOS 3.5 days, Solaris is a wonderful thing. But, for x86, we have lots of *BSD and Linux options. Solaris on x86 has previously been limited in hardware supported, and in community participation.

Can someone suggest a case where it would make more sense to use x86 Solaris rather than Sparc solaris?

It seems to me that Sun's resources in these (ahem) difficult times for them would be better spent in developing what they're best at - big, robust, server-room boxes, rather than diluting their OS development efforts by spending time porting it to Intel.

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710581)

Makes sense to use Solaris for a cheap NFS server. Linux's NFS is broken and inferior. Also Solaris' automounter actually works. Internally for servers, choosing Linux over solaris is moronic.

As far as using non SPARC hardware, i know many places that use SOl x86. Its rather good, and unlike Linux, its supported for "real." It also has a real commercial filesystem, UFS+logging, and some crap of the week EXT3 garbage.

Really, FreeBSD for networking, Solaris for NFS, file shares, NIS, etc, and whatever for developers. Whatever being higher end stuff to suit the needs of the guy in question. This puts Linux out to pasture.

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (4, Interesting)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710657)

The biggest one is a consistent OS across the board.

We've got a group of geophysicists who use high-end sparc desktops (just receieved eight loaded Blade 2500s this week). Now having the rest of the group using the same computing platform would help substantially, and Intel hardware is still substantially cheaper than the Blade 150.

Really, I suspect that Sun releasing this is a way of seeing what the maximum prospective customer base might be. They're pushing their "X86 Java desktop" hard right now, and before they get too far into that I think they want to gauge how much development to put into Solaris/x86 as a desktop OS. (i.e. fancy apps, user friendly stuff)

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (3, Interesting)

adam872 (652411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710735)

Agreed, that is a good reason, but it gets down to the availability of apps to go with it. In the Oil and Gas world, the big players, like SLB, Paradigm and Landmark (to name but a few) have suites that run on SPARC/Solaris, IRIX and Linux. It would nice to have those apps on Sol x86, but the market probably isn't there.

Those Blade2500's are pretty nice machines though, we have a couple internally.

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (3, Informative)

adam872 (652411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710708)

It rather does beg the question, doesn't it? I run mostly SPARC/Solaris systems with some SGI's and Linux mixed in and I can't think of many situations where I'd go for the x86 version. If I wanted an *all* Solaris shop, there'd be a case for it on low end boxes, but that's unlikely as monoculture of any type is bad(tm) :) Besides, second hand SPARC systems can be had cheaply on eBay or even new from Sun/Fujitsu these days.

I wasn't surprised that Sun dropped Sol x86, but apparently there was a revolt from the market. It was a bit of a shock to me really. I wouldn't worry about Sun's R&E resources, that is one thing they seem to have consistently funded over the years.

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (2, Interesting)

questamor (653018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710772)

I'm genuinely interested as a bit of a *ix geek (netbsd, osx, linux, across x86, ppc and 68k platforms) - what does solaris offer? Whether on sparc or x86 I'm not fussed, but what's it's focus?

Always been curious, but never found a Sun person sit still long enough to grab them and get a good layman's answer :)

thanks

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (5, Insightful)

adam872 (652411) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710824)

I often ask myself (or am asked by someone else) the question "why do you use SPARC/Solaris when there are supposedly cheaper alternatives?"

- Reliability: I have found Solaris to be the most stable and reliable server OS I've used (obviously IBM Mainframes and VMS are even more so, but I haven't really got a lot of experience with them). This counts for a lot, as most of the sites I've looked after demand this in their requirements. Linux is pretty good too, but I have found Solaris to be absolutely rock solid.

- Relatively secure. It doesn't come out of the box with all the security you'd want, but its pretty damn easy to automate the install to get it to be so. It's certainly more secure than Windows :)

- Support. I've always found Sun support to be excellent, either through SunSolve or the call centres. This is a big plus.

- Application and Hardware support. Most of the big software and hardware vendors have a Solaris version. Makes it a bit easier to deploy things when you know they are certified.

- Ease of admin. I have become so used to Solaris that sys admin is pretty much second nature (but you could easily say the same for other OS's I guess).

- Standards compliant. All of the usual suspects are here: NFS, NIS, LDAP etc etc. Some of these standards were even developed by or with Sun's help. Interoperability is easier with Solaris than manyh other OS's IMHO.

I could go on and on, but that's my 2c. Obviously other folks will be able to say the same things for other OS's, but Sun have earned my trust (and dollars) over the years. I don't see any reason to fix what is already working, particularly with the price of their hardware coming down dramatically.

Re:How does this help us, or Sun (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710787)

It's a foot in the door, perhaps. One of the reasons for the current popularity of Linux is its availability on cheap hardware. You play with Linux on your desktop at home, at school, wherever, and you get familiar with it. Then, when it comes time to use it in a serious server deployment, you have (at least some of) the skills and the confidence to really use it. IOW, by putting Solaris out there for the x86, Sun helps to increase the base of available admins.

Second, there are at least hints that Sun is moving towards a wider role for x86 in their business; they're offering an AMD x86 based line of servers now, for example.

Why would I need Solaris at all? (2, Insightful)

axxackall (579006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710792)

Can someone suggest a case where it would make more sense to use x86 Solaris rather than Sparc solaris?

Can someone suggest a case where it would make more sense to use x86 Solaris rather than x86 Linux?

Having the same OS on newer and more optimal hardware (read x86) as on old overpriced one (Sparc)? Give me a break.

The compnay where a friend of mine works they installed Linux on all low-end Sparc stations the used to host small servers. And they exchanged mid/high-end Sparcs with Power4/PPC thanking IBM for a very good exchange program. Of course Power4/PPC run Linux/PPC. They have Linux everywhere across all server (and even some desktop) computers and very happy with drammatically reduced TCO because of that. Also, after living like that one year they analyzed their failure statistics and found that their reliability is ncreased a lot. No need to mention that the time foe bus and security holes has beem droped a lot (before they lived for years with promises from Sun to fix a known annoying bug).

So, one more time, why would I need Solaris/x86?

better yet (4, Interesting)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710482)

If you have a few bucks you might want to get an older sparc to try Solaris on. Sol x86 is a security nightmare, and its not the same as using sol under sun's arch. e.g. I run most of my sites on sun boxes, and love it, using x86 sol... Hate it. Definitely not the same if you ask me

Sparc-Intel differences? (2, Insightful)

Trbmxfz (728040) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710500)

Definitely not the same if you ask me

How comes? Do Sun deliberately package their x86 version differently? If so, what's different?

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710539)

Please. dont pay any mind to that guy. He has no capability to technically argue that point. Try getting root on Solaris x86 even with a local account. Try it. Its not so snap crackle pop as retard up there says.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710557)

You're just flaming.

Even if you disagree with the OP, even if you think he is being hypocritical, it would be interesting to hear what reasons you both have for liking or not liking either version of Solaris.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710593)

I *live* solaris so I know when I hear bullshit. I dont need to justify to the Slashdot crowd who buys a fraudulent review of anything, you wont use solaris because you CANT, it doesnt have a GNU/Wizard interface. Go back to SuSE and YaST and RedHat, shoo shoo!

I'm sorry if I hurt your ego (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710675)

Sun(sm) Alert Notification

* Sun Alert ID: 44309
* Synopsis: Buffer Overflow in cachefsd in Solaris

* Category: Security
* Product: Solaris
* BugIDs: 4338920
* Avoidance: Workaround, Patch
* State: Resolved
* Date Released: 30-Apr-2002, 31-May-2002, 02-Apr-2003
* Date Closed: 02-Apr-2003
* Date Modified: 24-May-2002, 31-May-2002, 06-Jan-2003, 02-Apr-2003

1. Impact

Unprivileged local or remote users may be able to gain unauthorized root access due to a buffer overflow in cachefsd.

2. Contributing Factors

This issue can occur in the following releases:

x86 Platform
* Solaris 9 without patch 114009-01

3. Symptoms

Failed attempts to exploit the buffer overflow will leave core files in the / directory from cachefsd. In addition, if the file /etc/cachefstab exists it may contain unusual entries. The usual entries are known cache directories, for example, /cachefs/cache0.

http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cg i/retrieve.pl?doc=fsalert%2F44309
=============== ====

Sun(sm) Alert Notification

* Sun Alert ID: 55680
* Synopsis: Security Vulnerability in the Solaris Runtime Linker ld.so.1(1)
* Category: Security
* Product: Solaris
* BugIDs: 4872634
* Avoidance: Patch
* State: Resolved
* Date Released: 29-Jul-2003
* Date Closed: 29-Jul-2003
* Date Modified:

1. Impact

An unprivileged local user may be able to gain unauthorized root privileges due to a buffer overflow in the runtime linker ld.so.1(1).

Sun acknowledges with thanks, Jouko Pynnonen (jouko@iki.fi) for bringing this issue to our attention and iDEFENSE Inc. (www.idefense.com) for coordinating the release of this issue.

This issue is described in iDEFENSE Advisory located at: http://www.idefense.com/advisory/07.29.03.txt.
2. Contributing Factors

This issue can occur in the following releases:

x86 Platform
* Solaris 9 without patch 113986-05

http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retri eve.pl?doc=fsalert%2F55680&zone_32=55680

====== ============

Whats that 5 holes in one posting? Give me a break. And these are the publicly made sec gaps
and does not include code that doesn't get out.

Get a clue before responding with some zealotry.

Re:I'm sorry if I hurt your ego (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710704)

Wow, 1 remote root!

It's no OpenBSD, that's for sure!

Re:I'm sorry if I hurt your ego (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710753)

the problem with ths flying fuck is tht he works for redhat or microsoft and isnt pasting holes from them. he is shitting on solaris either to: make money, but more likely: look smart. dont be fooled by this piece of trolling trash. he is a help desk gopher somehwere who thinks he has a set of fucking balls.

WHAT a complete fucking jackass.

go join Eugenia Loli at OSNews, you wouldbe great. Your more tha full of shit enough to qualify there.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (2, Informative)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710621)

DOCUMENT ID: 57414
SYNOPSIS: Buffer Overflow Vulnerability in the CDE DtHelp Library May
Allow Unauthorized "root" Access
https://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it= 3593&cid=1

============

PROBLEM: A vulnerability exists in the newtask(1) command that may lead to unauthorized root access.
PLATFORM: Solaris 9
DAMAGE: If exploited, a local unprivileged user may be able to gain unauthorized root access.
SOLUTION: Apply patch or workaround.
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/n- 069.shtml

========

Product: GNOME 2.0 XScreensaver
Publisher: Sun Microsystems
Operating System: Solaris
Platform: SPARC x86
Impact: Reduced Security
Access Required: Existing Account
http://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it= 3487&cid=33

I could go on and give shellcode too but I won't. Know what you're talking about before jumping out there

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710659)

Just as I thought. You fount a LOCAL ROOT. HAHAHAH. Every FUCKING OS on EARTH has them, you stupid fucking shit. You know how many RedHat updates are related to local root buffer fixes.

You are a know nothing turd to think that local root holes dont exist everywhere. Unlike redhat, that was patched in 30 seconds. it also says its for SPARC and x86, throwing this bogus argument out the door. And you still cant get remote root on it.

So, Shut the fuck up, its hammer time, and you cant touch this, and you couldnt show shell code for shit, asshole.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710690)

And what about the remote one I posted below [slashdot.org] ? Is this the invisible one you choose not to see?

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710723)

again, retard. show me a root shelld. and you tell me what cachefsd is and what you are running it for. you wouldnt even know how to set that up. I like how you had to go back a year. About the same time OpenBSD had its remote in its default install. Except solaris actually can DO SOMETHING as an OS.
How many RedHats ints the same timeframe? Windows? Shit even FreeBSD? You absolutely cant single out solaris as being fucking worse than anything else, and you dont have r00t on anyones box and you fuckin KNOW it. (Most people have firewalls and patch machines you know, and solaris comes out with recommended clusters DAILY if need be).

And funny, everywhere you look in government there is Trusted Solaris, C3 certified. Guess sun knows SHIT about security? Oh, wait, YOU dont know shit about security other than barfing up CERT reports on shit you could NEVER exploit ever. You dont have the know how or the talent, and you couldnt locate a victim machine if you life depended on it.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710754)

CacheFS is used on NFS clients. I've only seen it used in one environment.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0, Redundant)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710776)

Boring thread. Just because patches are release doesn't mean everyone is patching. I for one use Sun on sparc boxes but would not use the x86 version. It's a matter of opinion, and choice. If you had the slightest 'clue' you could netcraft my domains to see what I'm using. I've given up the "my penis is bigger than yours", Linux vs. *, or Sun vs. *, or Microsoft is * because it's so tiring. As for Trusted Solaris, I doubt you've ever used it but if you want an account let me know because I have a blade running it. Your post makes me laugh considering again if you had an inkling of an idea, you would've halted a long time ago with your babbling. So I restate... I posted what's known (exploits), this does not include code that never makes it out. Certainly you've heard of private exploits there neo haven't you? Did it ever occur to you some people really don't whore shit out and release codes, or work with vendors instead of mail -s "i 4m j33t" bugtraq@securityfocus.com? Give me a break.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710827)

you lie like a rug. you arent anyone and you dont have shit. you would come from left like a GNU/Commie if you did have any real iron. You are some fat assed sexless psycho hell bent on defiling Solaris and you still dont have root on anyone else's box. You talk about Neo and hidden exploits, you just whip them im. Yes, the common thing for people to do with Solaris x86 is to hang it on the net and do nothing to protect it and never patch it. Yeah, thats the OS's fault when they do just that, if anyone does that. You are some psycho trying to front on Slashdot. You know how bad you look? About trusted solaris, Ive used it, and I dont have time to "school" you on it.

You think Solaris x86 is so fucin bad, id like to see Segment OS or SCUM OS. It would be a piece of fucking shit.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710688)

I totally agree with the other guy who responded. Local root, ohhhh!!

Who cares?

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (1)

segment (695309) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710711)

Poor trolls

Product: Samba 2.2.2 to 2.2.8
Publisher: Sun Microsystems
Operating System: Solaris 9
Platform: SPARC
i386
Impact: Root Compromise
Access Required: Remote
http://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=3 298&cid=1
==========
Sun(sm) Alert Notification
Sun Alert ID: 51884
Synopsis: Security Vulnerability in the Network Services Library, libnsl(3LIB),
Affecting rpcbind(1M)
Category: Security
Product: Solaris
BugIDs: 4767276
Avoidance: Workaround, Patch
State: Resolved
Date Released: 20-Mar-2003, 26-Mar-2003, 28-Apr-2003, 08-May-2003
Date Closed: 08-May-2003
Date Modified: 26-Mar-2003, 28-Apr-2003, 08-May-2003
1. Impact
A local or remote unprivileged user may be able to kill rpcbind(1M) due to a
security vulnerability in the network services library, libnsl(3LIB).
Exploiting this vulnerability may lead to denial of service. Although Sun is
not aware of any other applications or services that may be vulnerable to this
issue, Sun is continuing to investigate and will update this Sun Alert as
needed.

This issue is also described in CERT Vulnerability VU#516825 (see
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/516825) which is referenced in CERT Advisory
CA-2003-10 (see http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-10.html).

Thanks to Riley Hassell of eEye Digital Security and Garry Zacheiss of MIT for
reporting this issue.

2. Contributing Factors
This issue can occur in the following releases:

x86 Platform
Solaris 9 without patch 113719-04
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/ucs/security/local _bulletins/sun/suna.51884.txt
============

I'l l stop because its obvious who has a clue here
and who doesn't 7 holes now one thread

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710740)

I'm sure that SAMBA bug is specific to Solaris x86 and possibly Sun's fault.

Keep copying and pasting my little karma whore.

Re:Sparc-Intel differences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710743)

bitch. you never learn. thats not remote root, thats DOS. you can DOS windows without ANY security holes. Also, i dont recall Samba being part of base solaris. so now you go sifting though add-on software looking for DOS-able "exploits"

again no root shell. talk out of your fucking ass some more , moron. every single fucking vendor is going to have patches for vulnerabilities, ask yourself, where is the remote rootshell

got root?

Re:better yet complete fucking lie. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710523)

I can tell you are lying like a rug. Solaris 9 x86 - go ahead and exploit me a box anywhere in the wild and show me some rooted box. Do it. Show me the myriad of shells accounts you got root on Solaris x86.

What a crock of shit. The OS is solid, has a rea filesystem, has real support, has real NFS and sucks 100 times less than Lin-sux library-kernel-userland DU JOUR. And its fucking free. Something RedHate Enterprise Sevrer isnt.

Youd be a fucking moron not to choose a real OS over RedHat's build of the day Soup Du Jour OS with "support."

Re:better yet (2, Informative)

f1ipf10p (676890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710577)

Wish I had some mod points to bump this up!

A used sparc is a great recomendation. Or build your own:

www.sparcproductdirectory.com [sparcprodu...ectory.com]

Re:better yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710631)

What makes it a security nightmare? Can you please elaborate?

Re:better yet (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710671)

he cant he is a know nothing fuckin retard.

Re:better yet (1)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710669)

The last time I played with Solaris x86 was the week that Solaris7 was released for that platform. (i.e. early 1998, I think.)

So with no recent knowledge on my part (but LOTS of knowledge of Solaris/Sparc--I'm writing this message on my Ultra2 right now) what makes the x86 version sucky? What differences are there?

Re:better yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710693)

Ill tell you. It runs on HCL hardware perfectly. it runs really well on most of the Dells which are on the HCL. It hates IDE and it likes good hardware. So all the little linux pricks in this thread who use garbage hardware because they are poor and cant afford a real NIC, a SCSI card and a real DISK, bithc about running like shit on trashy hardware.

READ THE HCL. If you use HCL hardware or Sol x86 blessed systems the thing works perfectly.

aka SunOS (0, Redundant)

f1ipf10p (676890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710483)

uname SunOS 5.9 Yeah!

EUGENIA LOLI REGURGITATION ON /. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710484)

Not only does this review fucking suck, and the stupid asshole reviewer used hardware NOT on the Solaris HCL, he is an arrogant jerk. Check out his replied on OSNews. And speaking of OSNews. TYpical piece of shit story from Eugenia Loli Fuckheaded fat Pig Smelly Greek Pig Bitch. And Slashdot just fucking posts it. What fucking losers. PEOPLE THIS IS WHO YOU SUPPORT GNU/Losers who cant even fucking tell a bogus review when the see one. Makes me sick. She is an ugly, fat *fucking* pig. Check out her disgusting fat face here.[http://www.eugenia.co.uk/images/eugenia.jpg] [eugenia.co.uk]

Here is her lame shit bio:
[osnews.com]
Name: Eugenia Loli-Queru [AKA FAT PIG STUPID BITCH]
Title: Editor-in-Chief [Editor? HAHAHAHA. That's a laugh. Cant spell or speak and is not technical.]
Email: eugenia@osnews.com [fat.pig@goatse.cx]
Personal website: http://www.eugenia.co.uk/
Birthday: 24th May, 1973
Current residence: Foster City (San Francisco Bay Area), CA, USA
Short biography: I worked for 2 years at BeNews, serving the BeOS and its community, and before that I was contributing as a news editor for a well known Gaming news site for about 8 months and I also co- held a fan site (LandOfEden) in the early development days of Lionhead's Black'n'White. For more information about me, you can always check my homepage.

I am Greek and english is not my native language. We do OSNews for fun (however, OSNews takes most of my time every day), so if you have a problem with my spelling and grammar either a) do not come back (spare us and save your time too) b) send me a proofread version of the article in question.
Whining about something I can't radically improve overnight, is not an option. [osnews.com]

I have to agree. And now for posterity's sake I will post a fine collection of Eugenia treatises.

Ok. I am really getting tired of Slashdot reposting the crap rag OSNEWS on here. Please, PLEASE stop "editors". I don't know which of you has a fetish for Eugenia Loli, but this is supposed to be a Nerds site, not a technically impaired idiot site. Please, I implore you, please, STOP RE-POSTING OSNews *Crap* here. Here stuff is devoid of technical cross examinations, rife with conjecture and poor spelling and grammar, and she does what has long been disallowed here, the censoring of Anonymous Cowards. It is bad enough Slashdot isn't critically edited or reviewed, but in the absence of recourse by a commenting public free from censorship and suppression, OSNews is a totalitarian one way street. Please consider that she is likely to be getting kickback to review and announce things, and with her one way system, she could very well be lying to suit the needs of her underwriters without having recourse.

Hi there fat fucking pig lard ;p How are you you sweaty ugly fat Greek pig?

Why does anyone listen to Eugenia fat pig. she is a fucking cunt. Did you ever read her shit in OSNews? she censors out fucking everyone. its worse than the cunt moderation here on Slashdot. dude, it is a sad day here on Slashdot when you listen to a stupid fat bitch who is clearly dumber than any Ziff (Sith Davis) Davis idiot, and dare i say it, even fucking lamer than Jon the Jerkoff Katz.

Eugenia Loli needs to exposed. I will post 3 articles that show how fascist the Greeks can be, and that people like Eugenia perpetrate. Then I will cover My Big Fat Greek Wedding, with Fat being the operative word. Then some random Eugenia quotes. I hate you Eugenia, for being a fascist at OSNEWS. You are a pathetic waif who can not accept dissent, and you dictate to your small and withering community. I hope you get ovarian cancer.

Fat Eugenia Loli's Friends Ban all electronic games by mistake. Its people like Eugenia Loli that show that the formerly great state of Greece has eroded into a festering inbred, stupid hairy totalitarian fucks like herself. Now is the fatty greases sweltering out of her cellulite that makes it seem like Grease would be a more apropro name than Greece.

The Night Defender Fat Eugenia Loli Fat

Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's grinding the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the monitor.

"N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"

Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, ass-crack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.

"Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.

The hour of judgment approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."

"YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherent broken English. She's on a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.


Yup, a self-employed pissing loser with a family, 600 acres of deeded land, several automobiles and a four-story house. What do you have? 2,000 British pounds to your name, a playstation2, some computers and a husband that picks up the tab for everything? That's what I thought, you fucking olive-picking, highboot fecal smear of a bridge troll.

QUIP: Well, what a waste of a good fortune. Assuming that it were true, of course. Which is something that most of us won't do, given your guttermouth rambling and apparent poor breeding.

Taken from OS News posting by Eugenia 03/04/2000 Your post would be a lot more credible if you omitted like every 25th word to simulate your bad English. Actually I didn't even read it at all, isn't that awesome?

Eugenia--

Have you ever taken a step back and looked at your life? Taken a calming deep breath, cleared your head, and
assessed the situation? Looked around at what you have made for yourself, what you've done and how it's affected
you? If you had, it wouldn't be hard to see that things aren't as rosy as most people would be comfortable with;
furthermore, it seems as if you're not comfortable with you or your situation either. It's no large feat to
realize that things in your life are falling apart, and have been for quite a while. In fact, you don't really
seem to have a life now and all that you own or have is going to go away eventually because it's not yours. Yes,
Eugenia, here's the simple, terrible truth: your life is in shambles and it's only getting worse.

Let's take a look at the swill and depravity that you live in.

Your Slashdot journal entry from Saturday, March 02, 2002 encapsulates your attitude toward hygiene (or lack
thereof) in one sordid little pill:

there is only ONE thing I can't stand: The upstairs people. They do things with the water at 6:30 in the
morning, every morning
[I though you had a four story house, you fucking lying fat bitch]

Eugenia, this is known as bathing. The concept may be foreign to your rancid Greek arse but it's a fact of life to millions of Americans everyday. Oops! I forgot you're not an American citizen. Well, we'll touch on that
later...

Here are a few quotes out of your Slashdot journal, taken from Sunday, March 03 through Thursday, March 14, 2002 that do well to exemplify your lack of will-power and discipline.

Today, I started a "real" diet. And yes, this time, the diet IS HERE TO STAY [...] my diet goes well
[...] Diet goes ok, I suppose. I mean, I feel that I do a more balanced diet now, as opposing of losing
weight right here, right now. I hope it continues well [...] I feel a bit weak, but it is not too bad
[...] Argh, I got a terrible headache now [...] I am roasting some pork and oven potatoes


Within just a short eleven-day period we see a rapid downward spiral into fleshly indulgence and lack of self-
control, hastened by physical sickness and ailments resulting from simply eating properly. Your body has attuned
itself so finely to your horrid eating habits that it actually grows ill over these eleven days to the point
that finally, in desperation over a migraine, you cook up a grease-laden meal to satiate your thirst for all
things fat.

Have you no self control? Look at yourself! You have a gut that just won't go away-- you look like an ugly,
stinky, fat little troll even on your wedding day for Christ's sake! Have you no pride or respect for yourself?
Not even just enough to make you stave off those pork and potatoes? Gluttony will destroy your life, Eugenia.
It's already destroyed your body.

Eugenia, it's clear to me (and everyone else) that you're mentally unbalanced and delusional. Please, seek help
immediately. You are in dire need of counseling and/or therapy for a myriad of issues, among which are hygiene,
self-discipline, and proper English grammar. We're behind you all the way, Eugenia, you can do it.

Eugenia: The Fat Fucking Smelly Greek Pig

You fat fucking smelly Greek whore! Do you even wash on the rare occasions when your husband wants to fuck you? I bet your arse smells like a pig farm after eating all of the fucking pork and potatoes you cook-- you do nothing but sit all day, sweating and farting. It must smell like a swamp where criminals dump bodies in the sweltering heat.

Do you even shave? You sound like a lazy fucking wart of a housewife who wouldn't even bother. I bet the place is a mess too: dishes needing done, a layer of dust over everything, and stains and spills here and there. What a fucking pig-- a hairy fucking Greek bitch-pig.

Oh yeah, and your "skills" are laughable. You can't code for shit-- there's more holes in your PHP site than in a Greek brothel. Your English is terrible, which is pathetic for an editor-in-chief of a news site that reports in the language. Your obvious biases and slants make you look even more silly and unprofessional, as well as your multi-paragraph rants and fits of rage you write in your own forums. It's no wonder no one takes you seriously.

In short, ELQ, FUCK YOU. You are a loser, a no-lifer, a wanna-be, and a fecal smear in the world of technology. You are a detriment to the community you claim you serve. I challenge you to refute one thing I have said. You can't; it's all true.

And you know it.


Eugenia, why you're a drain on society.
I am Greek and English is not my native language. We do OSNews for fun (however, OSNews takes most of my time every day), so if you have a problem with my spelling and grammar either a) do not come back (spare us and save your time too) b) send me a proofread version of the article in question. Whining about something I can't radically improve overnight, is not an option.

Ahem, Eugenia. You've been living in English language countries for AT LEAST A DECADE from what I gather. You've spent the last year and a half giggling moronically and getting your bologna tits caught in a wringer after you've been trolled. Here's an idea you smelly twat: Get some advanced ESL text books and read those. Fuck, you've probably spent more time eating the dried phlegm from your nasal cavity than studying English. You are living in an English language nation, and are therefore a burden on society without sufficient language skills. You're not fit to be my house maid, as far as your language skills are concerned. Furthermore, you are a lazy cunt since you've not been motivated to do this relatively simple task as of yet. Please stop polluting the technology/operating system scene with your garbage writing, you seek out the spotlight like a fucking tomahawk missile seeks heat. It's PATHETIC! Get English text books and get a fucking life you stupid little olive-smuggling whore!

In case Eugenia Loli-Queru is reading
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Next week on OSNews she's going to review a commercial floppy disk formatting program. She gives it 95%. DUMB CUNT.


Greeks ban electronic games by mistake
Beware Greeks writing laws
By Adamson Rust: Sunday 01 September 2002, 17:40

ONE OF THE SO-CALLED CRADLES of European civilization appears to have got its Aristotle's all in a twist over computer gaming. And mobile phones, for that matter.
The Greek government appears to have lost its marbles.

The government wanted to prevent its people from wasting their money by using electronic slot machines but the democratically appointed government has banned all computer games everywhere by mistake.

And now the cops are raiding Internet cafes to enforce the said SNAFU.

The law, according to our Greek correspondents, prohibits any kind of game that is played on any kind of electronic equipment.

And it appears to have been drafted so loosely that that includes mobile phones.

Theoretically, the cops could bust into people's homes but so far apparently they have arrested Internet cafe owners and customers who were fighting a few rounds of Q3 CTF.

Next thing, the cops will be creeping up on people using their mobile phones just to make sure they're not playing a quick game rather than using them for their real purpose.

Here are some details of the cock up in Greek.

And there's more details about this at the Greek Net Cafe organization.

Give us a glass of hemlock, Socrates!

FAT EUGENIA FAT FAT LARD FAT PORCINE CORPULENT CELLULITE RIDDEN FAT

Eugenia, is that you? I hate you because of the way you censor. I hate you, and if I had to live in your kingdom in real life I would suicide attack you. Your death would be worthy ends to my means.

This is just another example of spineless crap moderation by Eugenia. I hate her fucking fascist fat fronds of celluite dripping down her bones and puddling up near here wrists which hinge har fat sausage fingers.

Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco, and certainly the worst of the bunch, EUGENIA FAT PIG LOLI's editing/moderating [read: censoring] ALL AGREE on ONE THING:

CENSORSHIP WORKS!


So, you busy little plebian proletariat BITCH, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN!

Good job you little neo-commies BITCH, EUGENIA FAT. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of OSNEWS and its fucking lame conjecture.]

A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
Crack Pipe
Crack smoke wafts though air
Dumb shit LOLI QUERU
Try to suck less, please

Humorless
Crack smoke wafts through air
Humorless LOLI QUERU
Why do you hate me?

The Proletariat
OSnews Commie
LOLI QUERU fears new idea!
Censor him quickly!

Get busy moderating this down, you little minions of the FAT GREASE LORD obedient prefects of the corrupt CUNT, LOLI! You are the vanguards of chunky brown vaginal discharges, and dissent is not allowed!


'My Big Fat Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek Wedding' Rolls on
Wed Aug 14, 3:23 PM ET

By ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) - In a summer of huge movies that last just a few weeks in theaters and are lucky to break even, one little film won't quit.

Photo
AP Photo

The celebration has lasted all summer for "My Big Fat Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek Wedding," a micro-budgeted romantic comedy with great word-of-mouth that has steadily climbed from 20th place on the box-office chart to No. 8 last weekend.

The film, about a woman who defies the traditions of her loud Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek family by marrying a man who isn't Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek, cost only about $5 million to produce. It has collected nearly $45 million since it's April debut, and the end of the honeymoon is nowhere in sight.

"I feel like I connected with absolute strangers across America. That's what I love more than anything," said Nia Vardalos, the star and writer, who adapted the film from her one-woman stage show.

"The money is like, 'Yeah, yeah.' ... That works in the Hollywood system," she added. "But this is the greatest feeling in the world: when women are coming up and saying 'I'm you.'"

Vardalos, 39, said she had thought the film would cover its cost and maybe turn a small profit. "I thought I could just die happy that I made a Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek-American movie and I actually got to star in it and that's it," she said.

While "Men in Black II" and "Minority Report" have earned three times as much as Vardalos' film, they also cost about 20 times more to produce. Once marketing costs are factored in, those movies will likely show a profit only on home video.

By comparison, "My Big Fat Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek Wedding," playing in only 723 theaters, continues to add screens and draw packed houses. Brian Fuson, box-office analyst for The Hollywood Reporter, said it could hold a spot in the top 10 for several more weeks.

"It was a slow roll-out, a few more theaters each week, building its way up," said Fuson. "It's basically what every small independent film hopes will happen."

The project developed after actor Tom Hanks and his wife, Rita Wilson, who is Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek-American, saw Vardalos' Los Angeles stage play in 1998. They liked it so much that Hanks purchased the rights through his production company, Playtone Co., and agreed to let Vardalos adapt the story and take the starring role.

Other producers had shown interest in the story, but most wanted to change the family's ethnicity to Hispanic or Italian, saying Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greeks wouldn't resonate with mainstream audiences, Vardalos said.

"They came to me and said, 'We saw your play,' and it's almost like the subtext was: 'And now we're gonna wreck it,'" Vardalos said. "They said, 'Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek, Italian it's the same, isn't it?'"

The difference may just be the details baklava vs. cannoli but Vardalos wanted to express pride in her heritage while poking fun at universal idiosyncrasies: prying parents, overprotective brothers, oddball aunts and uncles, and the ritualistic force-feeding found at big family gatherings.

Raised in Winnipeg, Canada, Vardalos started her career studying musical theater and worked in the box office of the Second City comedy troupe in Chicago. When one of the actors missed a performance one night, she filled in because she knew all the lines.

The next day, the group hired her as a performer, and the rest played out like a Hollywood movie: Among the Second City performers was her future husband, Ian Gomez, who appears in the movie as her fiance's best friend.

Her own traditional Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek wedding full of boisterous relatives, oodles of food and the grudging fusion of cultures inspired her stage act.

She is considering a sequel set in Greece, perhaps something along the lines of "My Big Fat Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek Honeymoon," and has received numerous other acting offers.

Vardalos is reluctant to specify future plans or take a guess at her movie's final box-office take. She doesn't want to jinx anything.

"I'm a Fat.Eugenia.Lard.Greek tragedian, so we're scared of stuff like that," she said.

A public service announcement for Eugenia's husband. I know you are Greek, and you are gay, so I have to tell you this. Eugenia is not a man, despite the convincing attempt to look like one. Her penis is really a prolapsed oversized clitoral frond/outcropping of genetic deformity hall of fame quality! You took vows to each other as MEN, and your marriage MUST BE annulled! The vows were done in deception!
Those fireballs are EUGENI FAT PIG LOLI's dingleberries streaking like skid marks on her underwear across the lesbian night sky FUCK YOU LOLI DEATH to EUGENIA . Death to EUGENIA FAT PIG BITCH CUNT.

Re:EUGENIA LOLI REGURGITATION ON /. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710648)

actually, this is on topic, although perhaps bit harsh in the personal dept. still, I too have seen the way those comments are censored on that site, it's a bit of a joke really.

P

Save some time (5, Informative)

cflorio (604840) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710490)

Don't forget to check out Sun Freeware [sunfreeware.com] to save some time trying to compile stuff on Solaris. The Sun guys love to compile things using the Sun cc compiler, which they don't include in the normal distro. Good luck adding in new perl modules that aren't native perl to the perl that comes with Solaris.

Re:Save some time (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710503)

Shut up fuckhead. The SunFreeware packages SUCK DICK. Use the companion CD everyone, dont listen to this lazy puke who uses siht packages that install in /usr/local. The correct place for the "GNU/Shit" is /opt/sfw.

Fucking lunatic. You suck at adminning Solaris, shut your hole.

speed (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710495)

Is Solaris 9 as slow as Linux on x86? If not, I may have to give it a try.

Thanks in advance.

Re:speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710622)

what you might try is a faster computer. I have linux on my system and it's great :) slow hardware=slow os

back when Solaris7 arrived Sun decided to... (1)

Tomhl (732075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710507)

use Gnome as their default GUI, and now with Solaris9 being there for quite some time, nothing happened, still CDE is that default choice, along with other questionable defaults. I wonder what makes SUN so much stuck.

Re:back when Solaris7 arrived Sun decided to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710649)

its CDW because thats they way solaris is. Unlike Linux that changes its face every 5 minutes, Sun respects people thatneed to do WORK and doesnt pull the rug out every five minutes for fun. they respect order and good discipline. While having gnome bolted into solaris 9MU4 (which this moron reviewer didnt use from the looks of it), and will be standard on solaris 10, it ran whatever for longer that ANY other Unix/Windows product ever did they same way. respect conservatism. it works. solaris works properly and predictably.

Re:back when Solaris7 arrived Sun decided to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710660)

it works. solaris works properly and predictably.

Here here!

Most useful in an existing Solaris environment (5, Interesting)

Xolotl (675282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710510)

I think the most relevant point made is that Solaris x86 would be most useful in and environment where the are already a large number of SPARC Solaris machines and the advantages (to both users and administrators) of a homogenous environment outweigh the hardware hassles. A lot of scientific and medical institutions are still largely Solaris-based, so for them it would be useful.

That said, Linux or BSD with olvwm [plig.org] or XFce [xfce.org] can be made to look so much like Solaris that most users won't care, and the hardware compatibility won't be a problem. I guess it depends on what is more important in a given context, really.

Re:Most useful in an existing Solaris environment (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710632)

except linux isnt free, is incoherent from distribution to distribution, causes things tobe hard to port, breaks more often, is poorly supported, incorrecly implements NFS, has poor automounter, ive never seen it run right disklessly. Im not saying put the secretary on Solaris. THat is a Job for Windows or OS X (NEVER linux). Engineers and IT infrastructure, thats a job for solaris. Period end. no room for linux.

Re:Most useful in an existing Solaris environment (3, Insightful)

Xolotl (675282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710785)

I realise this is probably troll or flamebait, but since you're replying to my post, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. To reply:

except linux isnt free
Given that you can download Linux in the same way as Solaris or BSD,and in addition is GPL, in what way isn't it free?

is incoherent from distribution to distribution
Sure, there are differences, but no organisation using Linux for production work is going to use 5 different distros, they'll pick one and stick to it.

causes things tobe hard to port
Solaris shares many of the same libraries and Linux is largely POSIX compatible, in what way is is hard to port things?

breaks more often
Ok, this one is fairly subjective, so I'll leave it.

is poorly supported
(a) there a a large number of companies which support Linux (RedHat, SuSE, IBM, being the obvious ones), (b) there is a huge experience base among admins, larger now than with Solaris.

incorrecly implements NFS
I can only comment from a practical aspect: in 5 years of using NFS on Linux on mixed Linux/Sun/HP-UX networks, I haven't had any problems which couldn't be solved by correctly configuring the NFS mounts.

has poor automounter
Okay, this I'll grant, the automounter isn't very robust.

ive never seen it run right disklessly
Can't comment, haven't tried.

Engineers and IT infrastructure, thats a job for solaris. Period end. no room for linux.
Sure, many many engineers, scientists and so on use Solaris. Partly because it's good, partly because of history - they were using SunOS/Solaris before Linux was around (I've been using SunOS since version 4 on Sun 3's, and Linux since 0.99pl10). However, many many other engineers, and scientists use Linux - partly because it's also good, partly becuase it and the hardware are much cheaper, partly becuase they can easily get at the source and tweak and customize it. Both systems have their advantages and both are widely used. To say there is "no room for Linux" is just plain wrong.

Ho hum, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710511)

It's still nowhere as good as red hat enterprise linux.

Re:Ho hum, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710551)

You have no idea what you are talking about. NONE whatsoever. You donthave a job, and no one woh knows anything about computing would ever pay you after hearing that SHIT.

Re:Ho hum, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710598)

You have no idea what you are talking about. NONE whatsoever. You donthave a job, and no one woh knows anything about computing would ever pay you after hearing that SHIT.

here in case of the dreaded /. effect (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710519)

Introduction
Solaris, formerly known as SunOS, is a trademarked UNIX operating system derived from 4.4BSD-Lite and System V Release 4. It's a combination of BSD, SVR4, and proprietary Sun code, and it currently powers most of the world's 64-bit workstations. It was originally designed for the SPARC and UltraSPARC platforms, but it has moved into the x86 market as well and there will be an AMD64 port possibly as early as Q1 2004.
So if you have a Sun workstation or if you're thinking about buying one, you're more or less stuck with Solaris. In most instances you could use GNU/Linux or one of the *BSDs, but you might have trouble with some of the proprietary Sun peripherals, especially in the new Blade series. That's a moot point anyway because most people with SPARC-based systems don't have a problem with using Solaris. The real question is, why would you use Solaris x86 -- the edition made for IA32 hardware? After all, if you have an IA32 PC you have a wealth of choices for your operating system, from Microsoft Windows to SCO UnixWare.
Solaris 9 is not very impressive when you put it next to FreeBSD or a good commercial GNU/Linux distribution like Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, or one of the better community distros like Debian or Fedora. Even Sun is now coming out with their own GNU/Linux distro called Java Desktop System. If you're feeling particularly masochistic you could pay a ton of money for SCO's rinky-dink UnixWare or OpenServer products, and if you like patching your system every day, you could go with Microsoft Windows in either the XP or Server 2003 varieties. Clearly there are a lot of choices. Let's take a look at some of the advantages and disadvantages of Solaris 9 x86.
The License
The Solaris 9 binary license is not all that restrictive when compared with Microsoft's EULA, but the additional supplements end up piling on so many more restrictions that it's more or less on par with the Windows license.
Sun has conveniently put their licensing terms on their website. Click here to read the binary license with the supplemental terms appended. Fortunately Sun does not require any ridiculous product activation procedures in their single-CPU x86 edition (I can't speak for the other editions because I have not tested them). In case you're wondering, virtual CPUs do not count as multiple CPUs, so a Pentium4 system that employs Intel's Hyper-Threading Technology will not require the 2-CPU license.
Features
First and foremost, Solaris is developed, maintained and supported by Sun Microsystems. Since its first release Solaris 9 has had five updates which added hardware support, updated software versions and patched security flaws. For this review I was sent the 08/03 update which was the most recent version until yesterday when a 12/03 update was released. An update to this review will be available in the future with the 12/03 update in mind.
As mentioned above, Solaris is a trademarked UNIX. That means that it's undergone extensive qualification testing by The Open Group to comply with the UNIX98 standard. It also means that the operating system must conform to certain requirements for usability, like using a standard graphical environment, which is CDE (Common Desktop Environment) as the primary GUI. Although it is not required by The Open Group, Sun also includes GNOME 2.0 with Solaris 9.
CDE as it is implemented in Solaris 9 gives it an array of system administration and configuration tools similar to the Administration menu in Microsoft Windows 2000 Server but not quite as comprehensive as SuSE's YaST2. There's a manager or control panel for almost everything you need to configure or monitor, from a Removable Media Manager to the Solaris Management Console where you can change various hardware controls (click here for a complete listing and explanations of the CDE/Solaris managers and services). There's also a handy Watch Errors program that monitors all error messages produced by the system (much like you'd find by pressing ctrl-alt-F1 from a window manager in *BSD or GNU/Linux). One thing that CDE/Solaris is missing is a comprehensive network configuration panel; network settings still have to be set by hand in Solaris 9, unfortunately.
The media kit comes with a DVD with the entire operating system plus some optional software and a matching set of CDs. It also comes with StarOffice 6.0 and a CD that adds support for other languages. The installation manual is quite large and thoroughly covers a new installation or upgrade including tips on planning a strategy for installing the software and a section dedicated to producing your own Custom Jumpstart installation procedure. The manual does not cover post-install configuration or an outline of system administration procedures -- it is strictly an installation manual.
Also included with the media kit is a quick start guide, a list of changes that have been implemented since the last update, a paper copy of the binary license and a separate booklet for the supplemental terms, and a list of errata and known bugs in the installation program.
Solaris 9 x86 comes with different software than the SPARC edition does; it comes with a lot less, as a matter of fact, but it's still quite useful to run a small server or a workstation. Most of the programs on the Companion CD are open-source tools that have been recompiled to run on Solaris/x86. A partial list of the extra software included with Solaris 9 x86 can be found here and you can download an ISO with these Companion CD packages by clicking here.
Click here for a complete list of all of the security protocols, policies, and precautions built into Solaris 9 x86.
From a developer perspective Solaris is a stable, steady and well-supported platform with standardized APIs and source code availability (with restrictions, of course) for development purposes.
Compatibility
The hardware compatibility list is very, very thin and I had a great deal of trouble trying to get my hardware to work properly. I tried two different systems, one with an Intel D845GBVL motherboard with Intel Extreme Graphics (I also tried an ATI Radeon 9800 non-pro and an Nvidia GeForce4 TI4200) and an Asus K8V Deluxe with a Radeon 9800 Pro AIW. I had better luck with the newer system, although neither of the motherboards are listed in the HCL.
I never did get the network to work, and I tried three different network cards, two of which were listed in the HCL. I think this was more an issue of setting up the network properly, but since Solaris 9 x86 doesn't come with a configuration guide and since the installation programs can't automatically detect my network settings (I don't have a network -- it's a cable modem connected through a router) I wasn't able to get access to the Internet. The trouble seemed to be with the naming service, but no matter what options and settings I tried (I have as many settings as my ISP could provide) I could not get it to work.
My SoundBlaster Audigy went without a driver; I didn't try the onboard sound but there isn't much I'd do with it anyway -- Solaris 9 is not designed for desktop use and doesn't take into account peripheral sound cards like the Audigy. Drivers are, however, available through the Open Sound System. My Sony IDE CDRW was also not immediately recognized, but I didn't attempt to figure out why. It is possible that a known bug in dual-CDROM systems may be at fault.
The most detrimental compatibility issue that I encountered with Solaris 9 x86 was that it did not have binary compatibility with Solaris SPARC, GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, OS X, MS Windows or any other operating system. The only software you can run on Solaris is the software made for your port of Solaris. While many of the programs made for the SPARC architecture are also ported to Solaris/x86, there are a significant number of Solaris/SPARC applications that are not available for Solaris/x86. From what I can tell, most of the SPARC-only programs are server applications specific to large clusters, SPARC-based machines or other things that the x86 edition couldn't do anyway. According to Sun there is a program called lxrun that can provide Linux binary compatibility but it is not installed in the default installation and it is quite difficult to configure. I did not attempt to install it for this review. Sun says that it will be made much easier -- possibly integrated into the Solaris kernel -- in the future.
Installation
There are basically two install methods: Suninstall, which is text-based and therefore safer; and Web Start, which requires the X Server. As many Unix veterans know, configuring X before the system is fully installed is a good way to crash the installation program and be forced to start all over again. Solaris 9 is no exception -- I went through several different options before I selected the VESA Generic video driver and a known safe resolution and screen size. Although the Web Start program allows you to access the Internet through a custom browser based on Netscape 4, I had no web access because of the aforementioned network setup problems.
Installation from start to finish was about 45 minutes on both the Pentium4 2.53ghz machine and the Athlon 64 3200+ machine with an ATA133 Maxtor hard drive. It's simply a matter of going through the configuration options and copying binaries from the CD to the hard drive. Since there is no compiling involved, system speed has little to do with install time. Of course if you have a very slow system or a slower hard drive, you can expect it'll take longer.
Frustratingly, Solaris 9 x86 refuses to install on a drive that has GNU/Linux partitions on it. You must either erase the entire hard drive and format it all for Solaris or you'll have to use a different drive. Solaris was very specific about it, too -- it knew the difference between a GNU/Linux partition and a BSD slice, but it demanded that Solaris control the entire drive in either case. According to Sun, there are engineers working on giving Solaris the ability to work with other types of partitions including Linux partitions and BSD slices. Solaris 9 can read from and write to FAT filesystems either on Windows drives or on removable media.
The Solaris boot loader requires that the Solaris hard drive be the boot drive. Since I have multiple hard drives in my test system to test multiple OSes and other software, this was a real hassle for me. Fortunately I could just change the boot order in BIOS and that satisfied the boot loader. Solaris 9 could not recognize my WD Raptor SATA hard drive.
The rest of the installation went very well -- everything was installed without a problem.
Post-Install
For some reason every time I start the system under Solaris an error screen comes up telling me that my X configuration (video, specifically) is not correct. I accept the settings as they are (VESA graphics, 17" Plug N Play monitor, 1024x768x24 resolution, which is what I specified during the installation and verified through testing) and can boot into Solaris without a problem. But even though I shut down properly and have no trouble with the display, this error message comes up every time. There is an option to skip the warning message on subsequent boots, but I really do want to know about genuine problems at boot time so I haven't disabled it.
As I've mentioned, the network setup is not easy to do. Coming from a background in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD, I figured Solaris would be fairly easy to figure out. But there was no /etc/rc.conf or /etc/resolv.conf or any other configuration options or files that I was familiar with. Since Solaris is binary-only I couldn't get to the kernel to see if the proper drivers were being loaded and since the media kit didn't come with any documentation on configuration and use, I was left with no offline option for self-help.
That's when it occurred to me that Sun sells subscription support contracts; this explains why there is no manual, I suppose.
My network card, in retrospect, was probably not recognized properly. Even though the hardware probe detected it, it's likely that no driver was installed -- this, according to Sun, was probably the reason for my network problems. The network setup during the installation assumed that I was on a corporate network with a DNS, NIS, LDAP or other kind of name server. Theoretically I would just type in the address of my DNS server and I'd be all set. The trouble is that I'm directly connected to the Internet and the naming is handled through my ISP (as is the case with most non-corporate users). My ISP does have a name server, but Solaris couldn't connect to it for some reason. Solaris 9 is the only network-aware operating system that I have ever used that cannot find my ISP's network settings all on its own. I reinstalled the OS several times in an effort to try different settings and options, but after six installs I concluded that it was destined not to work for me. I read the manual, followed the directions and used compatible network hardware and it did not work properly. This is partially my fault for not knowing what to do to set up the network in Solaris, and I could have called Sun and gotten free support (being a reviewer and all) but I wanted to show what Solaris 9 was like from the kind of perspective that most of my readers would be coming from. The lesson here is that you need a Sun support contract, a complete manual on configuring and using Solaris, or an experienced Solaris expert to properly install, configure and administer a Solaris 9 system. Whereas with GNU/Linux or *BSD you can get great online help and documentation, with Solaris you're much more limited in your unpaid support options.
Networking aside, everything else was just fine. Being commercially developed, CDE (click for a screenshot of CDE under an older Solaris version) is not a common environment for Free Software users, but it is a very nice desktop environment. I'd describe it as a cross between IceWM and XFce; the main menu is a slit at the bottom which has rollup menus for each category and icons for specific programs. Right-clicking on the desktop will bring up a condensed menu with all of the same options as the slit. It's not difficult to configure but it's not really like most of the window managers and desktop environments I've used in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD, so it takes some getting used to. When I installed StarOffice 6, an icon was automatically added to the CDE slit but nothing was added to the Foot menu in GNOME. StarOffice 7 would not install because the CD only included binaries for Solaris/SPARC, Windows, and GNU/Linux. Migrating data was much more difficult than I expected because non-Solaris hard drives could not be mounted without completely reformatting them. That means that I couldn't move my data internally; to transfer data I'd have to move it to removable media or put it on a network file system.
One really annoying problem I had with CDE/Solaris was that it doesn't support mouse scroll wheels, so you have to use the scroll bars to navigate windows and documents. The usual fix for this (adding the ZAxisMapping line to the config file for XFree86) doesn't work because Solaris doesn't use XFree86 -- it uses the standard X11R6 with proprietary code from Sun instead.
The default shell is SH, which is certainly functional and good for writing and running simple scripts but isn't as nice as the BASH or TCSH shells that are default in GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. BASH, KSH, and CSH are included with the default Solaris install, so you can switch if you like. The only CLI editor included is the always archaic vi, but the Companion CD includes vim, emacs, and pico.
Conclusions
Solaris 9 x86 was clearly designed for high-end workstations and servers, and even then in monocultural environments where everyone else is using Solaris or where Solaris-only software must be used. The UltraSPARC workstation architecture in general is marketed primarily to MCAD designers, software developers, and those in the scientific visualization and imaging fields. If you were working in a company that used both SPARC and x86 machines but needed to use the same software on both architectures, it would make more sense to use Solaris x86 than it would to buy new SPARC machines or to switch everything over to a different OS and architecture.
As a server OS, Solaris seems competent based on the fact that it has passed the above-mentioned qualification testing for the UNIX standards and the fact that Netcraft has recorded a rise in Sun ONE (Open Net Environment web services) Internet servers over the past two months. Solaris has a reputation for being a stable workstation platform for heavy-duty work in science and industry, but that reputation was primarily built on the quality and speed of Sun's hardware combined with Solaris UNIX. Solaris adds a great deal of value to Sun hardware, but by itself it isn't worth much unless you absolutely need it. At best the x86 edition is barely competition for Free Software Unix projects in the GNU/Linux and *BSD communities, which scale better, cost less, support more hardware, and are easier to configure, customize and maintain.
Solaris x86 fits a very small niche. If you need it, you need it -- it's not a bad operating system to be stuck with anyway -- but if you don't need it, you don't want it. I would strongly advise anyone considering Solaris 9 x86 in even a small corporate environment to also purchase at least an initial support contract from Sun and a good manual on Solaris administration. Once you get it running it is unlikely to need any major adjustments, but the materials given to you in the media kit are not going to be sufficient to get you set up.
Solaris 9 seems designed specifically for large network environments, but it lacks the peripheral hardware support and network configuration procedures that a lot of users are used to.
I'm not going to include any developer recommendations because Solaris is a proprietary OS with a limited market. It's not for everyone and doesn't pretend to be, much like AIX, IRIX, and HP-UX/Tru64. I wish I could provide some screen shots, but with no network access, no CDRW to write to, and no ability to write to other hard drives I found myself totally isolated from the non-Solaris world. If nothing else, it was certainly secure from intrusion.
Update 12/12
According to Sun, there will be expanded support for video cards and other peripherals in the near future. This may include porting some drivers from XFree86 and some help from hardware manufacturers. Full documentation for all Sun products is available at docs.sun.com and a good resource for finding out more information about Solaris x86 can be found here.

MOD PARENT DOWN!! TROLL!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710541)

The Solaris 9 binary license is not all that restrictive when compared with Microsoft's goatse.cx

I'm not going to include any developer sex because

CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP ON TEH SPOEK!!! (-1)

Greased_Yoda (724757) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710521)

I asked santa for some lube in my "stocking". Thanks.

CHRISMAS ON TEH SPOKE!!~1`1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710599)

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Anybody using Solaris x86 on the desktop? (1)

martin-k (99343) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710530)

Is anybody using Solaris x86 on the desktop, or is everybody just running it on servers?

We have ported our TextMaker [softmaker.de] word processor to Solaris x86 (after Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Pocket PCs, and Handheld PCs) but I am not sure if it is worth releasing it and having to support yet another platform.

So... is there a significant number of Solaris x86 desktop users?

Re:Anybody using Solaris x86 on the desktop? (1)

Xolotl (675282) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710554)

As I mentioned above, a significant number of scientific institutions use Solaris workstations. Admittedly a lot of them have Windows or Linux laptops which are used for word-processing, but there might be some interest in Office apps. After all, there is OpenOffice.

Re:Anybody using Solaris x86 on the desktop? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710561)

no, there is not a significant number of Solaris x86 "i have a big dick" desktop users.

GO PEDDLE YOUR PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE ELSEWHERE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710579)

. [goatse.cx]

Re:Anybody using Solaris x86 on the desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710837)

1. I love textmaker. Very good program. Use it
all the time on my laptop running NetBSD (run it under linux
emulation).

2. Any chance of seeing a SPARC Solaris port?

click here (5, Funny)

genevaroth (685479) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710534)

I went to check out the SUN site with the links, http://wwws.sun.com/software/tours.html#4 Click "Security Everywhere" hehe

Solaris X86 is no different than a Linux distro. (5, Interesting)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710556)

It takes time for you to get the system the way you like. Right now Solaris 9 is the absolute lowest "TCO" unix/linux for enterprise to servers and down to workstations. Redhat workstation costs hundreds more and has less true application support (certified vendor support) then Solaris9 X86.

And your lying through your teeth if you say there is no support.

Software: http://www.sunfreeware.com

Help/Guides: http://www.sunhelp.org

Patches: http://sunsolve.sun.com

Solaris9 X86 is a good stepping stone, a good resource to learn from and if accepted by the industry a very stable platform.

Sun DOES provide security updates, sun DOES provide software updates and there is already a ton of Gnome/KDE/Enlightenment stuff ported to solaris.

Give it a try, i'm sure you may like to see what an industrial strength workstation feels like to run. Honestly.

Re:Solaris X86 is no different than a Linux distro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710820)

Sounds good. Though I think that the 1 cpu limit is kind of cheesy. I think prohibiting commercial use is enough. I think there are probably a lot of geeks like me that have opted to go with a dual-cpu motherboard, maybe an older used one like me from Intel or some other quality manufacturer just because they know its a solid, quality board, and didnt have a lot of money for a new board. I sure would like to try it out though.

Sun is no different than SCO and Microsoft (4, Interesting)

axxackall (579006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710825)

Right now Solaris 9 is the absolute lowest "TCO" unix/linux for enterprise to servers and down to workstations. Redhat workstation costs hundreds more and has less true application support (certified vendor support) then Solaris9 X86.

You are trolling, aren't you? Or you completely do not know what are you talking about. Or you just work for Sun. There is no other explanation why would you post here such a bullshit.

The only company that still insist that Solaris has lower than Linux TCO is Sun. Another company that is saying the same about Unix vs Linux is SCO. All others, including IBM, HP, and even SGI, agree that Linux has lower TCO, despite the fact they sell own Unix distros.

By the way, it becomes suspicious, all three companies are saying the same about Linux: Sun, SCO and Microsoft. Something is common for them behind the scene.

My Solaris Review (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710570)

First of all, Solaris has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream Unix. Even in the 9 version, is CDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks).

Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use a monokernel which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in /lib/modules, as you are going to need it.

Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.

Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.

The most common response to help questions on the solaris knowledge bay is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, or pay us $10000 for a jucy support contract if you can't learn to use CDE", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other Unixes give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!

Solarises support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.

Solaris package manager has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the slx format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install.

And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL Unixes [ibm.com] Solaris is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Java Desktop, Sun Linux) and unoffical package respetories.

Don't get me wrong, I love Unix and I'm happily using them. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Unix on me EVERY FREAKING TIME A Unix is reviewed. I'm speaking from real world experiance here, My Old packard bell monitor caught fire because of Debian! [google.com] .

P.S (This is not a troll, its insightful flamebait!)

Re:My Solaris Review (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710616)

wrong.
1) use HCL hardware or shut up.
2)packages on companion CD are fairly recent. Justify why you need a higher version.
3) XFREE? It has its OWN x-server moron.
4) Its not hard to set up.
5) Noneed ot rtfm. Most otherunixes model themselves after solaris. If you can run FreeBSD or RedHat Linux, solaris is hardly different.
6) Solaris, when not on sparc hardware, is deisnged to be run headless. In fact, even on sparc hardware you run a lot of headless. You dont know what computers are useful for besides browsing the web.
7) Package manager? Name another system where you call back and rollout every single update you ever installed for YEARS. Go ahead name it. I want to hear it.
8) I know this is a troll, but you should die for defiling solaris.

compelled? (4, Funny)

Imperator (17614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710588)

Now that the single-CPU edition is free to download for non-commercial use, people will be compelled to write a Solaris CD and try it out.
Compelled!? I've heard of OS Nazis, but I had always assumed that was just a figure of speech...

Re:compelled? (1)

JK Master-Slave (727990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710677)

He probably means 'compelled' as in 'compulsive.'

Re:compelled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710736)

No, I think he meant it the way the parent is reading it, except:

"...will be compelled to write..."

should read

'...will feel compelled to write...'

As in, 'WOW, this is great, I have to write this CD!'

No free SMP? (1, Interesting)

gvc (167165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710623)

I went to the SUN site yesterday and did not notice that the free download was for single-CPU systems only. On my return today, I see parts of the site is unresponsive (is SUN /.-ed?).

Anyway, if there is no SMP support I wasted a fair amount of emotional energy that could have been saved had SUN made this restriction more clear.

I'm not sure that I'm so keen anyway. I have a big Ultra-SPARC and many Linux systems. For the most part I find that I have grown to prefer the Linux environment. But I have a few memory management issues with Linux SMP and was going to investigate Solaris as a solution. At $250, forget it.

(Also, 2.6 kernel appears to cure my memory management problems, and I still have BSD to try.)

Re:No free SMP? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710780)

Dork. It runs SMP. psrinfo -v

Its a licensing thing. They dont change the OS in any way. This isnt fucking Windows, they dont have time to mess with the OS to enforce lame licesnsing. Download onto SMP white hardware and enjoy. It works fine. psrinfo -v.
Freebsd destroys Linux. Linux 2.6 is horribly broken, and linux 2.4 is maintained by a 20 year old idiot. Sun is a huge fortune 500 company with a lot of brains. believe me $250 is too fucking cheap, be glad you get it for free.

Single-CPU Edition? (3, Funny)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710650)

Now that the single-CPU edition is free to download for non-commercial use, ...


The SMP edition is available for $699 ;-)

Re:Single-CPU Edition? (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710747)

Or free with a server.

Some of them cost only $900+. So it isn't a bad deal at all.

Have you ever looked at the cost Redhat Workstation on AMD 64/Intel and Servers? crazzzzy.

Re:Single-CPU Edition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710802)

dont forget to add that linux is helpless on 64 bit platforms. it grossly underperforms there. the
kernel needs to be tweaked an hacked to the point of barely working for any other purpose than to
finish the benchmark. Suns been doing 64 bit for eaons,and when Sol10 comes out for Opteron,
goodbye Lin-sux.

self-teaching (1, Insightful)

c1pher (586281) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710651)

Even if you don't have a need for personally, it's still a good opportunity to put it on a space workstation to play with and learn the ins and outs of the OS, so that you're at least familiar with it for future employment.

Solaris 10 x86 (0, Informative)

BanjoBob (686644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710656)

Solaris 10 for intel has been out for quite a while so why all the interest in Solaris 8 and 9? Solaris 10 has many changes over Solaris 9.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 (3, Informative)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710686)

Has it really? Funny, since Sun is still in pre-beta with Solaris 10.

I suggest you check your facts again.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 (1)

BanjoBob (686644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710710)

I've got the CDs here and I burned them on 8/12. Granted, I'm on a Sun distro but I downloaded this some time ago and its running on a box next to my Linux box. If it's a beta, they should indicate it as such.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710762)

Might I suggest that you spend leass time loading the OS and spend a bit more time reading about "Solaris Express" which is what we're talking about here. There is no "Solaris 10" as of yet and there won't be for quite a while. It's Solaris Express.

According to Sun's own info on Solaris Express,
http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/sol aris-exp,
it's a "work in progress," IOW its beta!

Time to go back to the banjo, Bob. They don't require a whole lot of reading to operate effectively. Most operating systems, on the other hand, do.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710700)

Not true, Solaris "Next" is available via the Solaris Express program. This isn't even a beta program but builds of what engineering is working on. If you want stability or even the ability to use off the shelf apps you will stick with Solaris 9.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 - from the September Inquirer (1)

BanjoBob (686644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710744)

Solaris 10 x86 free downloads reinstated [theinquirer.net]
Free for personal use, $90/yr with support.

Re:Solaris 10 x86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710805)

Not only is Solaris 10 not out, but it is looking like it won't even be called Solaris 10.

Admittedly, the Solaris Express preview release does include the moniker Solaris 10. But Sun has stopped using the term Solaris 10 so it looks like there will be some new marketing-compliant name. (Solaris X maybe?)

Poor Review (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710672)

I've never felt compelled to post anything to /. before, but this review truly didn't give the proper perspective needed to fairly judge Solaris x86.

Solaris x86 is an amazingly stable OS, and I've met many, many people who work in data centres who swear by it. Stable + secure + supported are the most important things to people who rely on mission critical applications.

Now, to clear up some of the misconceptions of this reviewer:
1. Almost any piece of open-source code will run on it after you compile it properly. Yes, you have to install GCC and change some of your path settings. Time it takes to do this: 5 minutes. You can get a binary version (for x86) of GCC from any of the sunfreeware.com mirrors.

2. This software is not meant to run with every piece of hardware out there. As this software is mainly meant for servers in the x86 world, why does it need to support a Radeon9600 card or an Audigy card?

3. The problems the reviewer was having were mostly configuration problems. Googling around will bring up web pages that show you how to set up network cards, etc.

So - while the review was written well enough, it totally failed in providing the perspective required to judge this product fairly. There is a steep learning curve required to learn Solaris, but once you learn it, its stability and usability features are well worth it.

Re:Poor Review - Me too (1)

paugq (443696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710724)

Yes, I also think that one is the poorest review I also have read.

Source code (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710725)

Yey, Solaris 9 is great. But it's still *closed source*, so please stop wasting /.-er time with proprietary evil. *yawn*.

Re:Source code (1)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710803)

And open source can't be proprietary, right?

You Might be a Linux PC Weenie If... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710726)

a) You say things like "if you have a Sun workstation [...] you're more or less stuck with Solaris"

b) You compare the Watch Errors to the linux console not by referring to the console, but by referring to the keyboard shortcut for TTY1. (Obviously you don't know the horrors of having console messages scroll up your OpenWindows desktop)

c) You have the audacity to complain that Solaris X86 won't run SPARC-only binaries or OS X Binaries. (It also, sadly, does not make toast pop out of your CD drive)

d) You don't know about Sun disklabel format. Perhaps you've never actually used fdisk from the console.

e) You complain that there was no /etc/resolv.conf. You never read the manpages to discover exactly where Solaris keeps its info (hint: try /etc/networks, /etc/hostname.[dev] and /etc/nsswitch.conf)

f) Instead of taking a screenshot, you link to a hideous old CDE screen grab. You demonstrate a complete ignorance of Motif, and god help you if we mention NeWS.

g) You complain that you can't migrate data. Perhaps because Solaris doesn't know what the hell Ext2 is.

h) You complain about Scroll wheels. Then you mention a "usual" fix, for XFree86. That "usually" doesn't work on my SGI box, either. How rude!

i) You refer to the default shell as SH. Not the Bourne Shell, no. just SH

Fewl...

Sun's real rationale for this (3, Interesting)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710764)

OK, this is all just a guess, but I believe it's an educated one.

Solaris/Sparc will continue to be their preferred high-end server platform, and the place that they put most of their R&D money. It will never be pushed as a desktop environment, except for those environments which require it (data analysts, geophysicists, etc.)

Linux/Sparc they won't touch.

Linux/x86, they're pushing on the desktop now with their "Java Desktop." I think that they'll push this _heavily_, even trying to sell to random people off the street. (witness their dealing with Office Despot, last week.)

Solaris/x86. With their recent ties to AMD, I suspect that they're going to encourage people to use Solaris/x86 on their cheap server lines (esp. the blades), and possibly push the application companies to port their Sparc versions over. Ideally they'd be running Landmark apps and such on Solaris/Sparc machines, but right now many of them are pushing Linux/x86, which is much cheaper for a given performance level right now.

The biggest reason for Sun having Solaris/x86 at all is to keep people who can't justify the hardware costs of Sparc gear right now, to keep (or in some cases, start) running Solaris (ideally on Sun boxes), rather than going to ye randome Linux platform. Now if Sun can differentiate between their own Linux/x86 offering (end-user desktop) and Solaris/x86 (workstation and low-end server) while maintaining their REAL product (Solaris/Sparc), then they might have a good plan.

I think that this latest action is mostly to run the x86 product up a flagpole, just to see if anyone cares.

restrictive license? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710781)

Just like I posted to the last solaris story, with this in the license, who in their right mind would ever even download it:

E. NOTICE OF AUTOMATIC SOFTWARE UPDATES FROM SUN. You acknowledge that the Software may automatically download, install, and execute applets, applications, software extensions, and updated versions of the Software from Sun ("Software Updates"), which may require you to accept updated terms and conditions for installation. If additional terms and conditions are not presented on installation, the Software Updates will be considered part of the Software and subject to the terms and conditions of the Agreement.

F. NOTICE OF AUTOMATIC DOWNLOADS. You acknowledge that, by your use of the Software and/or by requesting services that require use of the Software, the Software may automatically download, install, and execute software applications from sources other than Sun ("Other Software"). Sun makes no representations of a relationship of any kind to licensors of Other Software. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT WILL SUN OR ITS LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOST REVENUE, PROFIT OR DATA, OR FOR SPECIAL, INDIRECT, CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, HOWEVER CAUSED REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY, ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE OTHER SOFTWARE, EVEN IF SUN HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

-Justin

Re:restrictive license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7710816)

Somehow I can't find this in the article's links.
Care to post a link?

I *trust* that the mods have found this to be a real citation, tho.

Solaris Just Isn't A Desktop OS (3, Insightful)

bajan_on_ice (32348) | more than 10 years ago | (#7710793)

Why do you think Sun is going with the SuSe/JDS for their desktops? Solaris blows when it comes to hardware compatability, and thats exactly what you need when you are doing desktops, since you will find just about any mix of cpu, disks, controllers, networking, sound, video and periferals on a desktop PC.

Solaris was DESIGNED as a workstation OS for SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs. It grew up to be an enterprise OS to be run on SPARC boxes with very specific hardware specs.

Expecting it to run flawlessly on your generic whitebox PC is like expecting to use a hammer to open a beer bottle. Sure it could work, but the results are more than likely to be ugly.

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