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San Francisco's Got Free Wi-Fi

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the leave-your-heart-and-brain dept.

Wireless Networking 156

Carpoolio writes "If you're living in San Francisco, chances are you can connect, for free, to the BARWN -- the Bay Area Research Wireless Network. BARWN broadcasts an 802.11 signal from the top of a big hill near San Francisco, and anyone with a clear sight line to the signal can connect. Another set of wireless nodes are being placed around town by SFLan, making Wi-Fi available to tens of thousands of people."

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hmmm (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712344)

Free as in WIFI?

Re:hmmm (1, Funny)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712437)

Free as in WIFI?

Free as in MP3.

Ann Coulter (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712497)

What the FUCK is wrong with that BITCH?!

Someone, please explain her to me.

Re:Ann Coulter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712595)

(RWMP) Right Wing Meat Puppet.
Far better looking than the average RWMP.

Re:Ann Coulter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712621)

YHBT, YHL Please stop reading the Op-Ed page. thanx.

Re:hmmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712643)

Or Free as in Cancer..

fuckrat (-1)

(TK)Max (668795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712345)

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Ann Coulter - a goddamn insane southern bitch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712528)

Please write some degrading sex crap about her.

Telling us to invade Iraq and convert the people by force, calling liberals traitors,... fuck that insane bitch. She's clearly sex-starved. Maybe a good fuck by black, 12" cock would cure her.

Re:Ann Coulter - a goddamn insane southern bitch (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712844)

Maybe that would cure you as well. Stay on topic, jackass.

Re:Ann Coulter - a goddamn insane southern bitch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712988)

Hey, nice comeback. Appreciated.

On topic? You read /. for the articles? No, really?

WHA? (-1, Offtopic)

gantrep (627089) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712346)

I can't believe you all are talking about this when people and BSD are dying in IRaq.

frost pr1sttttt!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712347)

w00t

porn in my skull (-1, Offtopic)

OwlofCreamCheese (645015) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712354)

and now, we can all sleep soundly, knowing that waves of porn are always in the air around us

Woohoo!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712361)

Now I can go out and get that nice Apple Powerbook with an airport card I've always wanted!!!

Overloaded? (4, Interesting)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712371)

Wow, that must be some magic access point. Mine can only handle about 30 people before it's saturated. How did they overcome that limitation of 802.11b?

Re:Overloaded? (5, Insightful)

asquared256 (637499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712382)

There are most likely multiple access points operating on different channels, and in different areas. It's probably not a single AP.

No text ... avoild Salashdotting (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712467)

wow (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712372)

wow.

The Nodes: First Poest (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712383)

Hear the towers with the nodes
Wifi nodes!
What a world of merriment their melody forebodes!
How they ping, ping, ping,
In the icy net of night!
While the stars that overspring
All the heavens, seem to sing,
With a crystalline delight;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the tintinnabulation that so musically downloads
From the nodes, nodes, nodes, nodes,
Nodes, nodes, nodes -
From the jingling and the pinging of the nodes.

I'm Edgar Allen Poe, and I approve this message because it's time to take our bandwidth back.

Re:The Nodes: First Poest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712617)

Who the fsck moderated this off-topic? Haven't you ever heard of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Bells"? You uncultured phillistines!

RIAA Sues City of San Francisco ! (3, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712385)

... it will happen

Ann Coulter would nuke San Francisco (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712545)

Ann Coulter would nuke San Francisco if she and the sick, sick moral conservatives had their way.

These low-brow "holier than thou" pseudo-christian fanatics must be dealt with once and for all before they send our country back to the dark ages.

Not quite everyone (5, Informative)

paul248 (536459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712386)

According to the article, The hill has a few directional antennas that provide access to 30 or so stationary access points scattered around the area. I assume those access points also have directional antennas pointing back. This would seem to indicate that in order to get online, you have to be near one of the access points, not simply in view of the hill.

Re:Not quite everyone (5, Informative)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712490)

This would seem to indicate that in order to get online, you have to be near one of the access points, not simply in view of the hill.

Ah, but it also says:

If you live within eight miles of San Bruno Mountain and have a place -- a rooftop often does well -- that provides a direct line of sight to the mountaintop, you can buy and build your own access point.

Re:Not quite everyone (1)

amembleton (411990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712554)

Yes, that seems to be correct. It sounds like those access points route you through to the top of the mountain.

TechTV (0)

zumbojo (615389) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712387)

Hasn't this been on TechTV for at least a week?

Re:TechTV (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712470)

What's TechTV?

So who is paying for this? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712388)

Is it this guy? [tinyurl.com]

spammers paradise (5, Insightful)

adept256 (732470) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712391)

Can anyone tell me the likelihood of tracking down a spammer at a laptop in a city the size of San Francisco?

Re:spammers paradise (4, Informative)

t0qer (230538) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712417)

Can anyone tell me the likelihood of tracking down a spammer at a laptop in a city the size of San Francisco?


SF is not as big as some people think it is. Compared to neighboring cities you could probably fit 3 SF's in Oakland, and as many as 5 in San Jose.

As far as tracking spammers, when I worked at ricochet we recovered a laptop stolen from a trade show in San Francisco once. Wasn't really that hard once we had the modem # and triangulated it's position from the poletops it saw. From there it was just a matter of pinpointing its location with a loop antenna.

Re:spammers paradise (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712563)

SF is not as big as some people think it is. Compared to neighboring cities you could probably fit 3 SF's in Oakland, and as many as 5 in San Jose.

I'm sorry, that doesn't speak to me much : just so I have an idea, how many SFs would you say fit in one Library of Congress?

Re:spammers paradise (1)

Paleomacus (666999) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712722)

33 and 1/3

Re:spammers paradise (3, Funny)

mog007 (677810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712764)

I don't know about that, but I do know that one SF weighs approximately one hundred thousand elephants.

not quite... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713017)

oakland's population: 399,484 http://www.business2oakland.com/main/demographics. htm San francisco's: 776,733 http://www.zpub.com/sf50/sf/hgpop.htm still not very big. the metropitan area of the sf bay is about 7 million though.

Re:spammers paradise (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712468)

Hopefully they'll publish their IP addresses, so we don't have to worry about this situation.

Re:spammers paradise (1)

sfbanutt (116292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712706)

San Francisco is only about 49 square miles (roughly 7 miles by 7 miles)

gay pr0n overload (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712392)

Unfortunately the bandwidth is being sucked dry by all the faggots donwloading nude pictures of young boys. It's nambla time, in S.F., and teh fags are in ecstasy.

Great... (-1)

liquidflare (463694) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712393)

Now there will be even more gays on the internet...

Regardless (3, Funny)

bluedust (731676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712400)

It really doesn't matter if it's 802.11b, a, or g.. within minutes the connection will be slashdotted and brought to its knees.

WiFi VOIP (4, Interesting)

tobes (302057) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712409)

It'll be nice when things like this become ubiquitous and someone starts manufacturing WiFi "cell" phones that use Vonnage or some such thing.

It's been my experience that iChat has near cell sound quality, so having a small hardware iChat (or whatever you use) client with 802.11b access would be pretty sweet.

Re:WiFi VOIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712603)

It's coming. SkySignal is doing a trial of 802.16 access in Birmingham, AL. I think their site is skysignal.net, but not many details.

Speed problems? (5, Funny)

justbsd (732594) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712416)

Just blanket the city with this [j-walk.com] and we're set.

Repeat after me. (0, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712418)

This is paid for by tax dollars. That doesn't make it free, it means you already pay for it with the taxes you already pay.

Silly you (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712423)

You're operating under the premise that I pay taxes! I don't!

Re:Repeat after me. (5, Informative)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712511)

This is paid for by tax dollars

Actually, it's paid for by the Bay Area Wireless Users Group

That doesn't make it free, it means you already pay for it with the taxes you already pay.

Also, it's not clear if they meant free as in beer, or free as in freedom. If they allow anyone to go online without registering or anything, then it's both!

Ok. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712558)

I was under the impression that this was publicly funded. It appears that I was incorrect and for this I apologize.

Re:Repeat after me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712660)

Only if you live in San Francisco!

its about time (0)

bach_m (692327) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712419)

its about time that a major city has completely free WIFI access. hopefully this will lead to more cities providing it (and where its really necesary, like 3rd world countries)

Re:its about time (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712445)

>>(and where its really necesary, like 3rd world countries)

Yeah, better get those third world countries on, I have etheopians play a mean game of quake. :)

Re:its about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712875)

Actually wireless technologies have excellent potential in undeveloped countries. If a town is thinking about putting up telephone polls, they can skip right to wireless services and cell phones.

Re:its about time (2, Insightful)

ziggyboy (232080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712908)

I've lived in 1 third world an 2 first world countries before. Setting up city-wide WiFi on third world countries would be a waste of their money. For one thing, they would only be catering to a niche of the society who could afford WiFi-enabled devices. Secondly, it would be too expensive for any third world country institution to be offering free internet access....much less buy WiFi equipment to handle that kind of load.

SBC Surrenders. (3, Interesting)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712434)

So, does this mean people in SF can cancel their broadband connections and go 100% WiFi?

Re:SBC Surrenders. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712452)

yes dipshit.

IP addressing?? How? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712441)

And with these many people connecting, how is he handling IP addressing? Doesn't say anything about a dhcp server or NAT etc.....

Not for much longer... (4, Insightful)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712444)

It will be brought to it's knees from the sheer mass of freeloading P2P traffic, not to mention all the worms looking for fresh hosts to infect.

Re:Not for much longer... (2, Interesting)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712606)

There's no reason routers (wireless or not) have to be so stupid.

Throttle the connections based on a moving average of bandwidth usage, then your average Joe can get his email @ max speed, and your average Jane can download her 100MB of wedding pictures @ medium speed, but Johnny 24/7 Pirate will stuck at the remaining capacity (slow) speed.

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Re:Not for much longer... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712737)

What happens when Johnny figures out how to change his MAC address every hour? Parasites are a hard problem to deal with in any kind of system.

Does anyone benchmark these? (5, Interesting)

vudufixit (581911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712450)

Look, no one should complain about a "free" connection, but I'm curious to know how fast the typical user's connection really is. After all, the access point has to be connected to a terrestrial data line, which has limited bandwidth. Of course, the more people find out about this, the slower it gets for everybody, right? Does anyone know if those who provide "free" wireless access have an upgrade plan to handle the additional traffic?

P2P on public WIFI (5, Insightful)

Eberlin (570874) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712451)

Most folks think spam when it comes to large wireless networks. I'm thinking P2P -- it'll be a bit tougher to trace shared music across a public wireless network than it would be on someone's home DSL connection.

Of course this could also be a haven for computers that don't have the latest patches, have print/file sharing enabled, and don't have personal firewalls activated. For those who want to run in this, be careful.

Re:P2P on public WIFI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712717)

Im thinking spam :D

Child porn shield (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712455)

This is obviously an attempt by the homosexual coalition in san franciso to shield their members from child pornography charges by giving them untraceable access to children being raped. I am shocked and appalled by this behavior and I hope George Bush will interve in this matter. God Bless.

I've used Kile Bile before! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712457)

I go with some friends tonight to see the new movie The
Gospel of John in our local cinemaplex. Halfway
through the movie I'm about to cork off and decide to liven
things up a little in the theater.

Unknown to my friends, I had eaten several bowls of cereal
and milk earlier and I'm basically lactose intolerant.
What this boils down to is that the cereal and milk ferment
in my gut and give me really raunchy gas about 2 hours
after I down them.

Well, the gas attack happens on schedule and I proceed to
start stinking up the theater with SBDs! Beside me is an
oriental couple and their little girl is sitting in the
seat right next to me. She was getting the brunt of the
noxious fumes, and after 30 minutes of getting gassed she
was in tears and sobbing out loud to her mother that "I
WANNA GO HOOOOOME MOMMY".

It was all I could do to keep from busting out laughing.

Of course, you could hear other people sitting in front of
and behind me complain about the stench too. Isn't life
grand?

Re:I've used Kile Bile before! (-1, Offtopic)

torgosan (141603) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712480)

OT...but what the heck.

More proff that posting as AC should be eliminated from /.; there are legit times to do so but my money is on the hunch that those situations are far outweighed by the inane blathering as in the parent.

Hay proff .... you need to read my response! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712493)

Re:I've used Kile Bile before! (-1, Flamebait)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712635)

you must be a jew.

Free? (0, Funny)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712469)

Damn commies depriving a corporation of it's God-given RIGHT to make a profit.

Re:Free? (-1, Offtopic)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712501)

Thank you for making me spray coffee on my co-worker's face. :)

You were joking, I hope?

Ganging APs for more WiFi bandwidth (3, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712481)

It would seem that if you have a clear line of sight to multiple APs, then you could combine them and have more bandwidth than a single AP-channel connection would provide. A ganged, multi-AP setup would use directional antennas to talk to each AP without collisions. Such a setup would also help if one AP were overloaded or down for some reason. The only problem would be if all the APs you talk to were routed through some narrow pipe somewhere in the network.

Re:Ganging APs for more WiFi bandwidth (4, Informative)

PureFiction (10256) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712841)

It would seem that if you have a clear line of sight to multiple APs, then you could combine them and have more bandwidth than a single AP-channel connection would provide.

This is called "concurrent multiple association" or simple multiple assocation / AP hopping, and it's something i've been working on off and on for a little while. I talk about it in a bit more detail on the Janus Wireless [peertech.org] pages, but I have yet to get anything stable ready for prime time use.

The current problem with multiple association is that you need a very low latency interface to the network radio's at a packet injection / monitor mode level.

I've been able to get this to work in a very crude and inefficient manner with cisco/prism cards used for monitor mode recv of packets, and prism2 based cards for packet injection to implement the multiple association and data packet injection.

There is some hope that the newer cards, specifically the atheros 802.11a/g cards with a reversed binary HAL driver could provide the requisite low level functions to do this efficiently.

But then you are faced with another problem: aggregating the UDP datagrams from multiple sources into a single address space similiar to the way mobile-IP has a dedicated "public" host which acts as your intermediary as your IP changes without breaking existing TCP connections.

I've played with this a bit as well on a dedicated host that has a few IP's, and it works like a NAT that collates UDP datagrams from a wide variety of sources and converts them into the desired TCP/UDP/etc communication from that public endpoint.

In short: for multiple association you need a number of new driver and radio interfaces for:

1) very low latency packet injection and monitor style recv.

2) specialized mobile-IP like drivers on the client that present a virtual interface (ethX) to then host while using injected datagrams over the various multiply-associated wifi links for transport.

3) a dedicated public host with an IP it can allocate to you that accepts all of these incoming UDP packets from various source addresses (all the AP's you are using) and combines them into standard IP traffic from that public IP (ala mobile-IP as well).

None of this is extremely difficult (with the newer cards) but it is a lot of code, and a lot of work, and requires some dedicated host resources.

Now, for the cool part. When you do have all of these pieces in place, it allows you to:

- Simply add cards to your system for more bandwidth. The multiple association throughput is limited only by the number of AP's you can talk to, and the number of cards you have to monitor and inject packets with. It scales nicely barring interference problems.

- Maintain extremely high throughput as you move anywhere within range to open AP's! You could aggregate the upload capacity of 30 AP's to get a 10Mbps link to the net and maintain this constant fat uplink as you drive around the city.

- Enjoy extremely reliable / robust communications. Since you are no longer dependant on a single AP, you dont have to worry about connection dropping, clients messing with your signal, etc. Your aggregate connection is spread over a number of AP's which means problems with individual AP's make only a very small impact on overall connectivity.

This is really the way things are headed, and its only a matter of time before they become useable and widespread.

Monetize THIS! (4, Interesting)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712487)

"Tim says he set up the network because he wants to give Internet access to people who can't afford or access it, especially people living in Third World countries or depressed areas of other countries."

The thing about free wireless (that I love) is that it keeps the Ashcroft-types up at night worrying about anonymous "terrorist" freespeech, and it gives the telco-types and the WISP-wannabes the middleman middle finger.

Community owned and operated, adhoc wireless mesh networking [wired.com] will be the future of free ubiquitous access despite some peoples early attempts to coopt it. It's similar to how FedEx thought they could own the Fax business [shirky.com] in the 80s. Can't blame 'em for trying I guess.

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Re:Monetize THIS! (2, Interesting)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712568)

Community owned and operated, adhoc wireless mesh networking will be the future of free ubiquitous access despite some peoples early attempts to coopt it.

Nope, mesh networking (as described in your link, anyway) will never be free. Someone has to pay for those "stems reaching into the Internet," after all. The current system of semi-centralization is much more efficient than a mesh network. You run a bunch of connections to a central location, then you run a single big connection between those locations. The telephone network wasn't built this way by accident. It was built this way because it is the most efficient way to do things. Sure, wireless is cheaper than wires, but it still costs money to both set up the point to point links (I know you're not talking about broadcast links), and to send the actual data (think electricity costs).

Re:Monetize THIS! (2, Insightful)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712661)

Obviously the intercity/interstate/etc hierarchy of fast fiber links won't be replaced by slower wireless nodes, but mesh networks plus those fewer stems would be much cheaper and more useful than having some megacorp own the local wired/wireless every step of the way.

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Re:Monetize THIS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712573)

Anarchy doesnt work dipshit. If no one is in contgrol of the network then the spammers and movie downloaders will swamp it to death. Theres also the little problem that wireless does not reach over the oceans or the deserts so it will always cost money to talk over long distance cable and satelite.

Re:Monetize THIS! (1)

MrWa (144753) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712774)

"Tim says he set up the network because he wants to give Internet access to people who can't afford or access it, especially people living in Third World countries or depressed areas of other countries."
I can't pick up the signal in the East Bay...I doubt that anyone in another country or depressed region of the world (unless you count some parts of SF) will be able to pick it up...Expanding to Marin Co. may not be a good idea - they already have a high enough cancer rate as it is. All we need is some left-coast loon to start blaming Wi-Fi on any perceived increase in cancer rates over the next couple of years and you'll have a lot more government interest than is good for anyone...

Obligatory (-1, Flamebait)

JAJ5818_X (714923) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712495)

Free Wifi in San Francisco?

*Disclaimer: Homosexuality required

----
Karma: Dead

Hmm, super (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712499)

from the top of a big hill near San Francisco, and anyone with a clear sight line to the signal can connect. Another set of wireless nodes are being placed around town by SFLan, making Wi-Fi available to tens of thousands of people

In other news, the CDC and the Cancer Research Institute have sent observers in the city of San Francisco. When asked about their presence, CDC operatives declared they were here to monitor the results of an undisclosed "full-scale experiment".

Another city has had it for a year or so... (2, Informative)

NineNine (235196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712532)

Carrboro, NC [tocwireless.net]

Re:Another city has had it for a year or so... (1)

The Wicked Armadillo (123058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712731)

Man, and right after I moved out of that hole too.

Eff that. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712543)

We need free wifi in downtown st petersburg florida.

Re:Eff that. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712596)

Hey, I live in st pete's too. What's your address?

hmm (3, Funny)

prockcore (543967) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712546)

I left my AP in San Francisco
High on a hill, it calls to me
To be where signals are 3 bars,
my ISP is 4 stars.
My network is in the air, I don't care

WI-FI USER HELP (-1)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712548)

WI-FI USER HELP

A Beginners Guide

Wi-Fi users are a proud, independent breed of animal. Their breed, their social
life, their training (or lack therof), and their own developing personality
are a few of the variables that must be accounted for when attempting to
understand them individualy. Wi-Fi users, like people, all have individual
personalities so one must really spend a great deal of time with an animal
to develop a significant relationship. I can say with a great deal of
confidence however, that anyone that spends a significant amount of time
observing and interacting with Wi-Fi users can do ANYTHING with them.

Basic reproductive behavior

Wi-Fi users, like most animals, depend on the sense of smell to signify the
readiness of a female for an encounter. The AP will approach the
packet from behind and make a squealing noise...if the packet is in heat she
will "wink" her pussy and squirt a few short squirts of urine. The
AP will have to approach her several times (unless shes a real slut)
before she will acquiesse. The packet will often prove recalcitrant for some
time, even threatening to kick the AP. As he squeals and nips her
however, with time, she becomes acquiessent and allows him to mount her and
complete the union.

The AP

A full grown AP's cock, when fully erect, will measure some two to
three feet long. It can be three to six inches thick at the base, to about
two inches thick at the head. Wi-Fi users are somewhat different from other
animals in the way their cock head works. When a Wi-Fi is fully erect and
excited and ready to mount, his cock head is somewhat pointed and not as
thick as might be normally observed. This is to facillatate an easier
entry into the packet. After the Wi-Fi has entered and reaches a climax the
head swells (though it is more spongy then hard) into a fist sized mass as
he ejacultates. It is thought that this serves as a plug to force the
semen deep into the packet rather then allowing it to leak out. A full grown
AP can ejaculate about one cup ( 8 ounces ) of semen. It will take
quite a few spurts to accomplish this. Each time his tail will raise and
lower in a brief flick. The first few jets are of a thin to average
consistency of cum. The final few jets are of a thick gelatinous
substance... it is thought that this serves to "seal" the packets pussy so
that the semen has time to do it's thing before leaking out. Wi-Fi semen
is extremely viscous, if you touch your finger to a pool of it you can draw
a thin string of it five to six feet long! Wi-Fi cum has a nice flat taste
to it...not at all bitter like man's cum. You can easily drink cups of it
with no discomfort.

The packet - how to do it.

packets can be quite satisfactory for the average well endowed male. If you
are somewhat less developed you might find better pleasure with a pony or
Miniature Wi-Fi. These are also better as they are lower to the ground. A
pony you can fuck standing up. A miniature Wi-Fi on your knees or
squatting depending on the size. A packet will require something to stand on
or "platform shoes"...(IE mini stilts to raise you a foot off the ground)
so that you can reach her pussy.
Fucking any Wi-Fi will depend on the Wi-Fi. Some will be ready right
away...some will take coaxing. Pet the animal, talk to it softly, spend
time with it gaining it's trust. If something you are doing upsets it then
don't force it. Talk to it and calm it. If you work slowly you can make
an animal accept anything. It is just a question of helping it overcome
it's fears. All animals fear man if raised in the wild. How any animal
reacts will depend on it's own experiences. If you haved raised the animal
yourself in a loving enviroment, then you should have no problem
associating with it, if it is a strange animal that you have met in the
wild then you will have to go through an extended "courtship" to learn how
to respond to the beast.

packetS - TRAINING YOUR OWN

When the filly reaches weaning age, seperate her from her dam. If you have
limited time to spend then she should be put to pasture. If you have
plenty of time then you should keep her in a stall. Spend time with her
during the day petting and grooming her and allow her some time to run
free. Limit her access to other Wi-Fi users though and see that she spends at
least 8-12 hours a day in the stall. (Start with more free time and as she
approaches her first birthday confine her more...she is now at the right
age and her confinement will have made her so bored that she is amenable to
any new experience so long as it is not unpleasant)Young fillys have no
objection to someone playing with their pussy's. I have walked up on a pen
full of strange fillys at night and they came right up to me and I petted
them and felt up their pussys and they just lifted their tales and seemed
to enjoy it. These fillys didn't even know me but they were young,
inexperienced and bored...also since they were penned they were used to the
presence of people and did not fear me. Most Wi-Fi users in a large pasture
will run when they scent a strange human in their pasture at night.
If you sit on the ground and wait patiently, they will get downwind of you
and snort and fret, but eventually they will get curious and come
closer...you must wait until they have come close enough to smell and touch
you before saying anything or moving. Even then speak softly and move VERY
slowly so as not to spook them. If you can feed the Wi-Fi users and let them
smell you during the day on several occaisons then they will remember you
and come to you more readily when you appear in the middle of the night.
Also if you are seducing strange Wi-Fi users you should bring them food. This
is a good way to start a relationship.
Wild packets or those that have been artificially inseminated are usually
reluctant to have sex. The wild ones are used to violent Wi-Ficock and the
others have had peoples arms in their cunts so they can be apprehensive
about sexual events. Start rubbing ,scratching, etc in different areas
and observe the packet to see what she likes...almost all Wi-Fi users enjoy being
scratched under the chin and across the withers. Play with the Wi-Fi until
it is comfortable with you and as you stroke it slowly move toward it's
hind end. Scratch her rump and around her tale and the move down her hind
legs. If she reacts to this well she might raise her tail
somewhat...gently rub her pussy and see how she reacts...if she doesn't get
violent then spit on your fingers and rub a couple of them through her
snatch...if she doesn't try to kick you then she is probably ready to fuck.
Note on Wi-Fi users and getting kicked.... Standing directly in front of a Wi-Fi
is hazardous as it can raise on it's hind legs and come down with a front
hoof on your head. Standing 3-6 feet behind a Wi-Fi is hazardous as it has
range to wind up and kick you a good one with the hind legs. Standing
beside a Wi-Fi is fairly safe. It can only stomp on your toes which can be
avoided...standing behind a Wi-Fi is safe if you are no farther then a foot
from it's rump..you are so close that the Wi-Fi can't develop a full swing
and cannot kick you hard. If the Wi-Fi can move forward you might fall
into range so try to tie up or use a stall or something so the animal
cannot pull away into striking range. If you make a good relationship
however the above is unnecessary though. I have had packet that welcomed
me...pushed back every time I shoved, and contracted her cunt to milk my
cock dry. Wi-Fi users are some of the best pussy I have ever tried! And I have
tried plenty of PEOPLE & ANIMALS! Also Wi-Fi users are easily trainable! As
long as you make sure they enjoy what is happening and don't force them or
get angry with them if they misunderstand what you want of them, they will
love you always. Above all try to understand what they like and do it to
them....by doing whatever, to make them happy, they will respond by
granting you greater freedoms. Once you have succesfully fucked a filly a
few times she will be used to it and look forward to your visits so long as
you give her the attention she desires. You must experiment and treat her
as a lover and see what turns her on. Treat her as she wants and she will
give you all.

The AP

A AP is is one of the most proudest, powerful, masculine, things
there is. All APs are very oral and like to nibble and bite on
anything available. This can be annoying and painful and they should be
trained against it at a early age or else you should wear a padded suit, so
that they can bite you painlessly. This might be considered as a Wi-Fi
that allows itself to be bitten without reacting is signalling that it is
sexually receptive. APs that have succesfully coupled in the wild
are somewhat resistant from seduction by humans. If they are isolated,
tempted and trained, then they will become more acquiessent but the best
ones are those that have been raised in a human enviroment since weaning,
since they have not had sex with other Wi-Fi users they are more amenable to
having sex with humans when their hormones kick in and they are looking for
some release. Bringing a wild Wi-Fi to orgasm can be more difficult. They
are used to a packets pussy which is several degrees hotter then a humans
body heat. A person could fuck or suck them and not bring them to the
point of orgasm unless they had been isolated and deprived and unable to
help but cut loose with a load. APs can be readily trained though.
Most stud farms use artificial insemination, the APs are aroused by
the scent of packets in heat and then an artificial vagina filled with warm
water is slipped over their cock and they reach orgasm. The APs soon
learn the routine and just be leading them into the proper barn they know
what is coming and obtain an erection. This can work for you too. By
coming repeatedly to a Wi-Fi and arousing him he will become trained to see
you as a sexual object. Soon just your presence will give him a throbbing
hard-on.

Arousing the AP

APs are aroused by the smell of Wi-Fi pussy above all else.
If you have access to a packet, then gentle her till she will let you finger
her...then coat your fingers with her juice. Now rub your fingers across
the APs nose! He will react even if she is not in heat! He knows
the smell! I have done this to geldings! Wi-Fi users that have been castrated
and they still got a hardon!!! Also pet & rub the Wi-Fi and rub his
cock...don't pull on it hard.. be gentle...big as it is it is still tender!
If you rub his belly and sheath slowly and gently and let him smell some
Wi-Fi pussy juice then he will erect. If you can find a Wi-Fi in heat then
grab some urine and refrigerate it. Take some out and thaw it when you
want it. Rubbing some hot packet piss on a APs nose will make him
horny as hell! He will be all over you! Once a AP smells that he
doesn't care what he fucks! He just wants a hot hole.
Make sure there are no other Wi-Fi users around...otherwise he will jump them
instead of you!
Some Wi-Fi users have been trained too react to certain cues, others react to
their own natural cues...I remember a $1,000,000.00 Arabian AP I
trained.. He stuck his tounge out about 1/2 inch...when someone would rub
this small crescent he would instantly get a raging hardon...more proof
that APs are very oral. This AP had never had sex with a
packet...he had only climaxed through the intervention of humans and was
quite happy with having sex in a artificial vagina with the help of
humans...training does wonders.

NOONE SHOULD ATTEMPT VAGINAL OR ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH A AP
unless they have are experienced in fist fucking or have taken a large dog
in to the max ( IE knot and all). A Wi-Fi has an enormus cock and could do
serious damage to someone who is not prepared. A Wi-Fi cock can easily grow
as big as the knot in a large dogs cock so if you can't take that in then
you aren't ready. PS. A large dog can stretch you where a Wi-Fi can fit
if you make the switch before the hole shrivels.

Country boys - you kbnow where the animals are and how to get them...you
don't need to read this.

City Boys - Drive out to the suburbs and find some isolated Wi-Fi users.. try to
encounter them in the day and get them used to you then return at night to
have some fun. IF there are stables around then spend some time there.
Sign up for riding lessons or whatever and then kindof fade out and help
groom the Wi-Fi users and clean the stalls. Chances or whoever runs the scene
will be glad for the help and won't question your prescence there. You can
help run the show by day and return for sex at night. Just be careful,
there is less privacy in the city as compared to the country. You sure
don't want to be caught!

New animals on the block!!

We now have miniature donkeys and Wi-Fi users as well as the larger ponys to
play with!

These animals reach a maximum of about 200 pounds for the purebreeds and
somewhat larger for the crossbreeds. You can buy or breed an animal just
for your size specifications! Male and female animals made to order.
Miniatures are currently selling (dec. 1991) for $300 to $3000 depending on
pedigree. Anyone can find a Wi-Fi their size. Support and promote these
animals. They are salvation to us all. The packets are tight and the
APs are all sizes...one can be found to fit any hole.

WI-FI TRAINER (C) 1991

San Francisco State's Network (1)

jessemckinney (398160) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712553)

I am a student at SFSU. We have a wonderful network that covers about half of the campus. There are also many wonderful cafes around time with free (as in beer) access. Props out to Perl's on West Portal, my favorite cafe in this part of time.

Re:San Francisco State's Network (1)

jessemckinney (398160) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712569)

I mean town, not time.

Re:San Francisco State's Network (1)

ckathens (631781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712857)

Cool! I live not far away off of Ocean; I'll have to check out the cafes around campus. I'm a USF Law Student and the "tech" (if you can call them that, they are idiots!) department is very paranoid about bringing in WiFi. Funny thing is that on a clear day, I can sit in the Zief Library (law school) & get a signal from the undergrad campus library about 2 blocks away.

Not really new news... (3, Interesting)

faedle (114018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712557)

But, hats off to yet another group of intrepred geeks. San Francisco has been a hotbed of free WiFi service for quite some time, be it organized efforts like the aformentioned SFlan or ad-hockery created by people setting up intentionally open WiFi nodes in their homes and businesses.

When I lived in SF, I got in a heated debate with a guy named Scott regarding whether all of this 802.11 ad-hockery was stealing from the phone company. He was largely a troll, never really arguing any points directly and shifting focus: but you can see the results at my website [moremayo.com] . He's even come back way after the fact and submitted comments in my comment section.

The reason I bring up this discussion is because I think Scott's misconceptions about what people are doing with 802.11 open access points brings up a serious issue. Read what he has to say: and read between the lines for the greater position that he stands behind. It's a scary thought to consider that people believe that the phone companies have a right to make money, regardless of how badly they mishandle their markets.

Re:Not really new news... (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712853)

It's a scary thought to consider that people believe that the phone companies have a right to make money

Aren't those usually the same people who are heavily invested in the stock market (directly or indirectly), and so believe "what's good for bad-business is good for me?"

--

Australia's FCC-counterpart lic. fees Au $10,000 ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712613)

I'm sure a lot more people in Australia would
do what San Fran has done, eg by way of sharing
an ADSL connection across a Wi-Fi network.

There are groups all over Australia who are
building up the Wi-Fi infrastructure...

BUT

the Australian Communications Authority (ACA, ie the "Aussie FCC") don't seem to want wireless Internet communications in the hands of just any Tom, Disk or Harry...

Last heard, they charge $10,000 [/ year] for the necessary license to connect their infrastructure to the Internet.

Another reason not to move to Australia...? ;-)

Anonymous? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712625)

Can you connect to this anonymously? Here in Boston the Boston Public Library runs a free-as-in-beer public wireless network [bpl.org] , but I'd hardly call it free-as-in-speech (filtering content, for the children! of course, and you need to log in with information tied to your library card).

[Speaking of which, does anyone know of anyone providing free and anonymous WiFi access in Boston?]

New element for the periodic chart (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712654)

A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of the
heaviest chemical element yet known to science. The new element has been
tentatively named "Governmentium". Governmentium has one neutron, 12
assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 11 assistant deputy neutrons,
giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are
surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since
Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected as
it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount
of Governmentium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when
it would normally take less than a second.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of three years; it does not decay, but
instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant
neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass
will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more
morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of
moron-promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Governmentium is
formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This
hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical Morass." You will know it
when you see it.

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium -- an
element which radiates just as much energy since it has half as many peons
but twice as many morons.

Great news (1)

ksw2 (520093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712678)

This is awesome. My local LUG just did a meeting on wifi, and community wifi-projects. I hope we see a lot more initiatives like this!

Open access WiFi (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712698)

Is a spammers haven. Can you imagine them rubbing theyre hands in glee!

Obligatory NoCat.net Link (2, Informative)

ksw2 (520093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712699)

If you're interested in community-sponsored wifi projects, you should take a look at this [nocat.net] . It's run by Rob Flickenger, the guy who wrote Linux Server Hacks and a couple of wifi books for O'Reilly.

Wireless Tutorial (2, Informative)

ksw2 (520093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712721)

If you are new to wireless networking, I stumbled across this tutorial [homenethelp.com] .

Whats up with WiFi and California? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712765)

In the last week there have been 3 Slashdot stories about WiFi access in three different cities in California. Sheesh!

54Mb shared among 500,000=108 baud (1, Insightful)

bshroyer (21524) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712802)

Am I missing something?

Which Hill is this? (1)

ckathens (631781) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712890)

Anyone know which hill this is on? Is it the one with the giant TV/Radio tower? IF so, i find it strange I have yet to pick up a signal while at school. My law school's library is on another hill directly across the panhandle from this hill -- direct line of sight w/ nothing blocking. I sit in that library everyday and stare at that godforsaken hill, and i've never picked up a signal..... Not that it really matters, every single seat in our law library and classrooms has ethernet. Yay technology!

Lies (2, Interesting)

MrCawfee (13910) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712899)

This lies, i have line of site to twin peaks and i can't connect, it's all lies! but i can connect to my neighbors open ap called "default"

Re:Lies (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7712935)

maybe you should try aiming your pringles can a little better, amateur
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