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Archos Recorder + Rockbox Plays Video

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the unintended dept.

Portables 92

elinenbe writes "Rockbox, the open source firmware for the Archos Recorder, Player, FM, Recorder V2, and now the Neo can play grayscale videos at over 60FPS. A demo version of the DOOM3 intro along with a few other sample clips have been made so far. This is the Archos that was NOT designed for movies, but for MP3s -- go Rockbox!"

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fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713437)

pf

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713453)

Don't use OpenBSD's pf, you will get haxored by theo the rat!

so, if what you're saying is true... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713448)

...then I still don't give a shit.

what can i say (5, Funny)

da2 (542211) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713457)

COOL! this brings a whole new level of mobility for porn

Re:what can i say (1)

insmod_ex (724714) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713472)

Agreed. Anyone want to reencode my lesbian collection. Over 60GB of DivX. :D

Re:what can i say (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713555)

Anyone want a girlfriend? Two more just became available.

Re:what can i say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713640)

Lesbian porn? How boring can you get? Lick, lick; poke, poke; "Oh, I'm cumming!" -- NEXT SCENE. SAME, SAME, SAME, THE END.

Anybody want to reencode my collection of hot, petite, asians getting gangbanged by white guys?

Asian-on-asian DVD imports suck though because the asian guys have little pencil dicks, and the asian chicks fake it by screaming like a banshee being raped.

Thank you for your time,
TwinkyLover

Re:what can i say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713653)

asian chicks fake it by screaming like a banshee being raped.

and white girls just lay there quiet like a dead log. its a cultural thing.

Re:what can i say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713666)

Black women are the best. they talk dirty and ask you to do the kinkiest shit. oh how I love my junglebunny!!

Re:what can i say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713687)

Quit replying to your own posts you pathetic retard. It's so obvious this is the same AC.

I would pay $100 for a Slashdot feature that allowed me to see which registered users were trolling anonymously. Only Taco and the rest know for sure............... i bet they would sell out their users for $100. yeah.

Re:what can i say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713718)

Slip $500 by paypal to Taco or Michael and they'll set you up with a special powerabuser account. It allows you to do things like see IP addresses, see linked AC posts, or my favorite: permanently mod down annoying users.

Re:what can i say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713741)

stay away from my races women! you white guys only like asian girls because your small dicks can only fit their tight pussies. and you like to smack them around like submissive bitches. i will hunt you down and judo chop your adams apple! i can kick you higher than you kick me! wahhhCHAA!!!

Re:what can i say (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713781)

Oh man, you have serious problems. Chill out man!

Re:what can i say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713811)

You talking to me?!?! I dont see anyone else around here so you must be talkin to me! you talkin to me?!

yeah i think you are talkin to me punk!

I roll a 14 so i get to chop your left testicle off with my +3 dildo of death.

how about that punk? that will teach ya to keep your mouth shut!! WaaaaCHAAAA!

Re:what can i say (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713480)

Porn Magazines have been around for about 50 years

Re:what can i say (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713887)

new?

i hate to break it to you..
but opera for series60 and gprs..

well you should get the idea, i just wish i would have had that army.

nice work though!

Re:what can i say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7714466)

Old news! I remember "back in the day" making the HP48 play porn sequences.

I didn't exactly go to the extent that these guys have as you couldn't update the firmware on the 48. I just wrote a program to convert frames of an MPEG into the HP bitmap format and generate an associated RPM program to play the frames. I used the serial link cable to upload all the generated files from the computer to the HP.

I think I tried playing the other typical geek fetish videos of that era too like looped raytraced animations. You know the ones: spinning chrome spheres on a checkerboard floor? That type of stuff. :)

Re:what can i say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7715117)

Last year in high school I put some porn AVIs on a SD memory card and watched it in class one day. It didn't look that great, but it was much better than listenign to my all too liberal teacher rant, and my friends sure got a laugh.

Not quite... (1)

haraldm (643017) | more than 10 years ago | (#7719709)

Not exactly on a 1.5"x2" screen. That makes for about 0.3" tits -- in black and white, that is.

Re:what can i say (1)

hyperventilate (661218) | more than 10 years ago | (#7722309)

The ZVUE [slashdot.org] is releasing their inexpensive DivX in mid January. For $99 plus the cost of a big SD card you get a solid state player with good battery life. They are also releasing a bunch of legal licensed video titles that are professionally encoded.

All I can think of is (4, Interesting)

MC68040 (462186) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713458)

.. "that's neat, but if that would have been a standard feature everyone would have said it sucked", on the other hand as it's not designed to play video, it's neat alright.

Go non-corporate developers.

Re:All I can think of is (-1, Troll)

SuperMo0 (730560) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713598)

Kind of reminds me of that "VideoNow" disc player they're marketing to children. Sounds like the same technology, high framerate B+W video, but honestly if it's the only feature of the player it's not all that great.

LCD Response Time (5, Interesting)

zalas (682627) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713463)

Is the LCD on that thing supposed to be able to keep up with 60fps? I mean, I don't think they were designing the LCD on the MP3 with Video playback in mind...

Re:LCD Response Time (4, Informative)

MrBlue VT (245806) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713511)

Actually according to the site, they've been working on high performance blits for the LCD screen. Thus they have sped up the refresh rate significantly over the original Archos firmware.

Re:LCD Response Time (5, Informative)

zalas (682627) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713528)

But increasing the blit rate is still not going to do you any good if the LCDs can't physically "turn on" that fast. All you're going to get is a blurred mess.

Re:LCD Response Time (1)

Goldfinger7400 (630228) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713913)

They're probably just using one of the plethora of grayscale lcds on the market, rather than designing their own "slower" lcd because they don't need the extra response. I don't remember where but I saw a website where you can just buy screens used in the myriad of consumer electronics, they have a pretty good refresh rate so they can be used in more applications, like Gameboys and whatnot.

Not so big (4, Funny)

evilspyperson (708956) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713473)

Lots of things are used for purposes other than its original. DUCK TAPE ANYONE!

Re:Not so big (3, Interesting)

maelstrom (638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713494)

s/DUCK/DUCT/g

DUCK Tape (0)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713512)

No need to search and replace, because I think DUCK is a brand name for duct tape.

Re:DUCK Tape (5, Informative)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713531)

Here's [octanecreative.com] a fairly good bit on the Duck vs. Duct argument.

Re:DUCK Tape (1)

thynk (653762) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723171)

Interesting page, thanks for the link. However... there is a mistake on the page. Duct/duck tape is NOT the same as 100 mile an hour tape. There is a lot more that is different than just the color. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Re:Not so big (0)

tds67 (670584) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713524)

Lots of things are used for purposes other than its original. DUCK TAPE ANYONE!

Q-Tips (cotton swabs) is another one. Fun to 'root' around in your ear for ear wax, but not officially recommended.

Re:Not so big (1)

ashot (599110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713577)

thats not what they're for??

Re:Not so big (2, Informative)

DanThe1Man (46872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713635)

thats not what they're for??

No, if you look at the package you will never see anywhere listed for putting it in your ear. They avoid law suits that way when you cause damage to your ear drum.

Re:Not so big (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713749)

Duh, everyone knows they're for putting up in your dick.

Re:Not so big (1)

ibmman85 (643041) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714001)

funny thing is alot of tests have been with duct tape and found that its really not very good for using on ducts...

Nice one (5, Informative)

TwistedSpring (594284) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713482)

I love people pushing the boundaries of hardware, but also I note that Archos have already made a sexy new device to accommodate your movie needs:

http://www.archos.com/products/av300_series.html?s id=j22oyjykb2y3ckjbyjj24j#cinema_to_go

80 hours? Yeah right. Does it do DivX? No doubt a firmware hack will allow that :)

Re:Nice one (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713516)

Does it do DivX? No doubt a firmware hack will allow that :)

I'm quite doubtful of that actually. I haven't yet seen firmware that will make a cheap DVD player play MPEG4 files, so it's not always as easy as a firmware update.

Re:Nice one (2, Informative)

tadheckaman (578425) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713980)

I have a Archos Multimedia jukebox... it can play divx files that have been resized to fit on the screen (comes with the program to do it, too), along with the audio being mp3... took me an hour to yank the AC3 audio out and encode it back into an mp3 format... ah, what I will do to keep my home video backups accessable... ;)

I really do like it though, nice bright screen.

Re:Nice one (2, Funny)

Leto-II (1509) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714150)

took me an hour to yank the AC3 audio out and encode it back into an mp3 format... ah, what I will do to keep my home video backups accessable...

Yah I just hate that too... Sometimes I think my home AC3 encoder is just too much of a hassle.

Re:Nice one (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713541)

Yes, it does play DivX. I've got one, and they play both Divx 5 and Xvid 4. Quite nice, actually.

Re:Nice one (1)

borl (586949) | more than 10 years ago | (#7715369)

DivX/XviD? This one does. http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500521_specs.ht ml

Re:Nice one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7716921)

The AV3000 was hacked by Dogger, The moment he released his work Archos got funny about it and made him take it down. avos.sourceforge.net

oediV syalP boxkcoR - redroceR sohcrA (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:oediV syalP boxkcoR - redroceR sohcrA (-1, Offtopic)

()vnorby() (732447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713695)

its interesting that you post that because microsoft just found that they accidently put two swastikas in a font set. They are coming out with a tool to remove them however.

rockbox (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713487)

I have tried rockbox. It is okay, but it needs more electical surge protection. I shocked myself when I poured water on it and plugged it in.

Re:rockbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713571)

Yo Darwin!

Does Archos play non-evil formats? (1, Interesting)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713488)

That is, vorbis or FLAC? Are the video formats patent-encumbered? There's no need to use Evil formats when Good ones are out.

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (3, Interesting)

The Human Cow (646609) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713546)

Apparently the hardware decoders are not immediately able to play vorbis or anything other than MP3, and the processor is too slow to allow software conversion on-the-fly. That said, they're still working on a way to do it.

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713649)

the archos has a HARDWARE mp3 decoder. and a hitachi HC11.

sorry :(

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713560)

Oh for god's sake kill yourself.

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713578)

come my pretty, come to the dark side... Muwahahaha

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7713879)

From Rockbox FAQ [rockbox.haxx.se]
17. You mention supporting Ogg Vorbis and other file types on your list of ideas. What is the status on that?

Pessimist's Answer: At the current time we believe this is not very likely. The Micronas chip (MAS3507) decoder in the Archos does not natively support decoding and there is very little program space in the player to implement it ourselves. The alternative would be to write a software decoder as part of the Rockbox firmware. However, as much as we love our players, the computing power of the Archos (SH1 microcontroller) is not fully sufficient for this need.

Optimist's Answer: We can play any format if only we can write code for the DSP to decode it. The MAS 3507 (and 3587) are generic DSPs that simply have MP3 codecs in ROM. We can download new codecs in them and we will be the first to celebrate if we can get OGG or FLAC or anything into these DSPs. Unfortunately, we have no docs or tools for writing new MAS DSP code and Micronas is very secretive about it. If anyone can help, please get in touch!

The recent release of Tremor (integer Ogg decoder) indicates it uses around 100 KB for lookup tables. That's not unreasonable for a decoder, but we only have 4 KB for both code *and* data. So the grim reality is that Ogg will never be supported by the Archos Players and Recorders.

Re:Does Archos play non-evil formats? (1)

gunpowder (614638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714478)

According to the IRC logs of last week some guy claims that he has access to the neccessary docus, but the rockbox-developer don't even consider looking at it, unless they get official permission to use it. They just want to get sure that they don't break any (ie. DMCA) laws.

MOD PARENT(S) UP!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7714615)

this could enable ARCHOS players to play OGG, WMA, FLAC ... not only MP3!!!!

Reverse Engineering (2, Interesting)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714658)

some guy claims that he has access to the neccessary docus, but the rockbox-developer don't even consider looking at it, unless they get official permission to use it.

Why not use the old, tried-and-tested method of clean-room reverse-enginering? Recruit several people with no Rockbox programming exposure to look at the documents and write their own version of the specs, noting entry points, API calls, and so on. Get them to publish the documentation using some version of the GPL. Then fire them, put them out to pasture. Ensure they never communicate directly with any of the Rockbox programmers regarding what they read.

Then get people who have never read the original documents to create code implementing the published doduments.

Because of increasing restrictions on reverse engineering in the US [chillingeffects.org], the document analysis team should be based in the EU or Asia. Or preferably Russia or China.

RockBoxx is a OSS posterchild. (5, Informative)

bjarvis354 (319402) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713489)

I can attest to the superiority of the RockBoxx firmware. The list of features keeps growing when other commercial vendors would have stopped implementing new features. I use RockBoxx for its great handling of VBR MP3s for instance.

I only hope the RIO Karma team is listening! I just bought one for my girlfriend and I plan to get one once my archos gets dropped too many times.

Re:RockBoxx is a OSS posterchild. (1)

Jad LaFields (607990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714028)

RockBox is great. I bought an Archos about 8 months ago because it was more than $100 dollars cheaper than an iPod at that time, and RockBox has made it usable. I hate trying to work with my friend's Archos as he still has the original firmware. I consider my inability to convert him to RockBox to be my worst failing in the open source zealotry field, worse than the number of people I know who still are using IE instead of Firebird. Some day I should just steal it from him, install the software myself, and let him see what he's been missing.

RockBox is also a great example to use when explaining the concept of open source software to "normal people". I've noticed that if you talk about Linux most get hung up on the fact that someone's "giving it away for free", but if you describe how sucky the Archos firmware is and how these guys just wanted to make it better and set it up so others could help them and then give it away for free because who the hell's gonna pay for new firmware for an MP3 player (although donations are accepted, I'm sure), then they get it.

Archos Jukebox Multimedia (0, Offtopic)

rf0 (159958) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713509)

Well it would be nice if there was firmware for the Archos Jukebox Multimedia but speaking to the people who devloped Rockbox they said that its just to hard. Have to wonder why. Oh well its all fun

Rus

Re:Archos Jukebox Multimedia (1)

lou_soyur (245663) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714641)

The fact of the matter is that none of the developers (myself included) own a Multimedia unit to work with. The possibility is always there, but for us, right now the _need_ isn't there.

Impressive. (4, Insightful)

The Human Cow (646609) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713523)

As cool as this sounds, you really can't appreciate what these guys have done until you see the video running. It's far more watchable than I thought at first. Now to figure out how to convert video to .rfv for some late-night porn^H^H^H^HDivX viewing!

Re:Impressive. (1)

DarthWufei (686942) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714789)

Nice to see you, THC, and I'm just as happy as you are. Time to load these files on my Archos and test it out. I swear, Rockbox is one of my favorite open source projects. They never cease to amaze me.

Rockbox == great!; Archos == questionable (4, Insightful)

jbs0902 (566885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713690)

I have been a long time evangelist for Rockbox. They have really made the Archos a wonderful device. Far better than the official firmware.

That said, the quality assurance portion of Archos has really gone downhill. My local BestBuy stopped carrying the Archos due to too many returns. My old Player (6GB) is sound as a pound, and about as heavy. But, my FM Recorder (20GB) is an unmitigated POS. It has had a lovely clicking sound (HD, I assume; however, I returned it and had the HD replaced. Still clicks. Archos Return-guy said they were getting a ton of returned FM Recorders) And, the FM Recorder will occasionally go into a "never-ending reboot" cycle. Where it partially boots, then reboots, and repeat, until after being left alone for a few hours it decides to work properly. So, the FM Recorder (out of 90 day warranty) is now treated with kid gloves as a home stereo MP3 player, and the old Jukebox is for the car and airplane. Someday I'll replace the HD in the Player.

So, Archos is nice, if it works. Looks just like a USB HD without any needed proprietary software like the other HD MP3 players. I just suggest you stick with the Player or plain-old Recorder and avoid the FM Recorder. If I had to do it again, I'd still get the Player but the SliMP3 (or newer) would work better than what I use the FM Recorder for.

I Love my FM Recorder (4, Insightful)

Rob Riggs (6418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713780)

Your experience with the FM Recorder does not match mine. My FM/R has been rock solid. The battery lasts long enough to handle the Denver/Tokyo flight. The drive does click on occasion, but I have to hold the thing near my ear to hear it -- or be recording with the built-in mic. It's barely audible. The FM/R has been with me on 10-12 transatlantic/transpacific flights and has never had a problem. I take the thing everywhere in my briefcase and use it as an external drive at home and at work. It's even been dropped a number of times. Never a problem.

The thing I like most about the FM/R is that I can recharge the it from the USB port. The charger that was shipped with the unit was a real POS and fried the first week I had it. I've never missed it.

The RockBox upgrade is a must though. These guys have done an awesome job.

Re:I Love my FM Recorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7714345)

testimony 1: rockbox fm version has problems. user offers hearsay evidence about the number of these fm versions being returned.

testimony 2: a single user decides that his single experience should be weighed and measured. "my fm rockbox is good"

well by all means, let's all fucking rush out and buy them.

not

great stuff on that site (2, Interesting)

The Tyro (247333) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714271)

It was the first place I got the hardware mod instructions for my old 6gb archos mp3 player (nothing like having a 20gig version before you can even buy one in the store).

Somebody else mentioned it... the charger that came with the archos really was a POS... the wires frayed on mine, and I ended up cutting them and attaching spade connectors (yeah, I know... unsafe, but it was all I had at the time). Soon after that, the transformer went out entirely, and now I have to change batteries.

Oh well... at least it survived a longish SW Asia military deployment for the afghanistan war (wish I could say the same for all of our equipment).

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (3, Informative)

gunpowder (614638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714527)

Yes, there are some (design) problems with Archos FM Recoder.

Probably the most important one is that you can't change the (Li-Ion) batteries. And unfortunately Li-Ion batteries degrade after 2-3 years due to a chemical process, regardless how often you use/recharge the batteries. Look at your mobile telephones, and you know what I mean ...

BTW, this problem also affects the Archos 'Recorder V2' (which is basically a FM Recorder without the FM Radio) and the Apple IPod and actually most MP3 Players/Jukeboxes. Don't buy anything that doesn't use ordinary, replaceable AA(A) NiMH-batteries, otherwise you can throw your MP3-Player away after 4 years.

The best (Archos) choice is an old Archos 'Recorder 20', (without FM or V2) which is powered with 4 AA-NiMH-Batteries, graphical b/w display USB 2.0 and Digital/Analog IN/OUT and builtin-MIC. Unfortunately they are rather difficult to get these days, as they were the predecessor of the FM-Recorder and are not officially sold by Archos anymore.

N.B.: the 'Studio' Series is basically a 'Recorder Light', with only USB1.1, no Digita/Analog IN, no MIC, and only a text display (no graphics).

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7718941)

Why throw it away when the batteries wear out? Just buy new ones [pdainternalbattery.com]. Lithium batteries aren't terribly rare these days. The replacement process looks at least as simple as swapping screw-secured AA's on my 3-year-old kid's toys.

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (1)

gunpowder (614638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7719661)

Yeah, ONE company that is specialized in manufacturing custom batteries. Do you believe they will still produce this batteries in 5 or even 10 years? I seriously doubt it.
Not to mention that you propably don't have this possibility for no so popular MP3 players!

And come on, $69 for a battery? 4 AA (2300 NiMH) batteries cost FAR less than that, and you still be able to buy AA batteries for the next 20 years.

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7725414)

Naah. You've got it all wrong.

That's ONE company specializing in selling "custom"[1] batteries to end users. They're actually manufactured by God-knows-who in some far-eastern sweatshop, just like almost everything else small and toxic that we buy these days.

No matter. $5 says that the Archos battery is not anything of any remarkable uniqueness, anyway. The greatest involvement Archos had in the design of this battery was the shape and color of the plastic shell that it comes in[1]. Otherwise, it's just an off-the-shelf part from a catalog, much like the LCD, hard drive, microswitches, DSP, and other comprising hardware. Like these other generic parts, this particular battery is probably used in a number of different products.

Another $5 says that they (Archos) switch suppliers for all of these parts depending on who's got them cheapest today, and/or phase of moon.

Alas, it might not be very easy for you or I to locate a good overseas source of such a battery. Which is why we pay an importer $69[2] to do it for us and write up instructions. If your time is worth something, it's probably a good deal. Otherwise, there's bound to be cheaper suppliers (and methods) if you're willing to look for them.

1: Do you really think a small company is going to tool up a factory and start making specialized lithium batteries for their miniscule market? Niet.

2: Of course this costs more than a few 2300mAH AA NiMH cells. It's also more convenient[3][4].

3: You do realize that lithium batteries are lighter and more space-efficient than NiMH AAs, don't you? This translates directly to extra space in your pocket.

4: And don't say "but I can carry several 2300mAH AA NiMH battery sets and have several times as much runtime!" Who cares? If I'm removed from my usual surroundings long enough that I'm afraid my batteries will die, I'll just plug it in while I sleep. (You do SLEEP, don't you?) This means I'll have to have charging gear, which consumes space, but then so do AAs. If you really want to save space, standardize on USB as a charging system for all of your gear[2]. Plug it into the wall, or the car, or even the laptop (if you want to borrow some juice from another big-honkin' Li-ion battery). Do the same with your phone, or anything else that can charge from 5 volts. 2 cables and 2 adapters instead of at least 4 combination units and a USB cable to accomplish the same.
USB is, dreadfully, not going away anytime soon - one might as well use it for something.

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (1)

gunpowder (614638) | more than 10 years ago | (#7728649)

I'll try to answer some of your questions and comment on some of your statements:

No matter. $5 says that the Archos battery is not anything of any remarkable uniqueness, anyway. The greatest involvement Archos had in the design of this battery was the shape and color of the plastic shell that it comes in[1]. Otherwise, it's just an off-the-shelf part from a catalog, much like the LCD, hard drive, microswitches, DSP, and other comprising hardware. Like these other generic parts, this particular battery is probably used in a number of different products.

Certainly the Archos Li-Ion is not a very special or unique battery. But it is nothing you can get at the supermarket either. Exaclty what you implied: it is not a off-the-shelf part.
BTW, did you deliberately skipped my question whether this/these companies will still produce the replacement batteries for the Archos in 5 or 10 years?


1: Do you really think a small company is going to tool up a factory and start making specialized lithium batteries for their miniscule market? Niet.

Usually s.o asks a question, and expects it to be answered.
Anyway, of course I doubt that aswell. But that's why there are standards you can follow/implement. Or form an alliance with a larger company.


2: Of course this costs more than a few 2300mAH AA NiMH cells. It's also more convenient[3][4].

How is it more convenient for the customer to have to order batteries if they are broken? Or even not being able to replace them at all? I'd rather like to be able to go to the shop around the corner to get replacements, at a cheap price.
And by the way, you can't make up an new argument by simply referencing other arguments.


3: You do realize that lithium batteries are lighter and more space-efficient than NiMH AAs, don't you? This translates directly to extra space in your pocket.

And you realize that Li-Ion are practically useless after 3 years?
And that Li-Ion batteries can't be used in all applications where NiCd and NiMH-batteries can be used (Heavy-Duty)? IMHO I consider the idea of using Li-Ion batteries in MP3-players not to be a very good one, at least for most cases!
Li-Ion batteries *have* their advantages, but they cannot replace NiMH in every area.


4: And don't say "but I can carry several 2300mAH AA NiMH battery sets and have several times as much runtime!" Who cares? If I'm removed from my usual surroundings long enough that I'm afraid my batteries will die, I'll just plug it in while I sleep. (You do SLEEP, don't you?) This means I'll have to have charging gear, which consumes space, but then so do AAs.

You really don't understand why somebody uses battery-powered portable devices, do you? BTW, this also applies to non-rechargeable batteries: to be able to travel without the need to connect to a power socket. And they would prefer if they could do that as long as possible.
Sometimes you just don't have the possibility to recharge batteries for a couple of days, and that's when replaceable batteries come handy.

If you really want to save space, standardize on USB as a charging system for all of your gear[2]. Plug it into the wall, or the car, or even the laptop (if you want to borrow some juice from another big-honkin' Li-ion battery). Do the same with your phone, or anything else that can charge from 5 volts. 2 cables and 2 adapters instead of at least 4 combination units and a USB cable to accomplish the same. USB is, dreadfully, not going away anytime soon - one might as well use it for something.

I'm not primarily interested in (USB) charging systems, or that the device is the smallest and lightest possible when looking for a portable device. It's nice if it has these features, but the most important part is that I can use it (does the job), and use it while travelling, and use it as long as possible!

If I have to open the device to replace batteries, since they are not easily accessible, or if it is uncertain whether I can use the device after 5 years, or it make some restrictions how long I can travel without access to power sockets, I don't consider it as a truly useable/useful portable device. At least I would pay much money for it.

Re:Rockbox == great!, but get the right Archos! (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 10 years ago | (#7742167)

And by the way, you can't make up an new argument by simply referencing other arguments.

You must be new here.

I'm not primarily interested in (USB) charging systems, or that the device is the smallest and lightest possible when looking for a portable device. It's nice if it has these features, but the most important part is that I can use it (does the job), and use it while travelling, and use it as long as possible!

The only application I can think of where recharging is not an option while one sleeps, is while backpacking. I'd hasten to say that "batteries for the MP3 player" would fall a bit short of being on the list of things to carry on my back for a few weeks, but maybe my priorities are wacked.

That said, if size really isn't as important as replacable batteries, just buy a battery holder of reasonable shape and capacity, and plug it into a modern Archos. Might be good to remove the existing Lithium battery to save power loss as heat if it should try to charge it, too. And since the wide, flat battery compartment consumes very little space, you've still got a fairly small portable.

Fasten it together with duct-tape, velcro, epoxy, needle and thread, or whatever suits your fancy. I'd probably craft something out of stainless. YMMV. whatever.

i can back this up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7719959)

my FM Recorder was just sent away for warranty.

the hard drive does click occasionly, and it is noise.

for mine, the audio output jack broke, and it doesn't charge anymore.

and i treated mine like gold, didn't misuse it at all.

great system otherwise though.

A better idea (3, Interesting)

plinius (714075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713951)

Clearly what is needed is not another tiny hard drive-based video player.

What you people should be doing is hacking one of those DVD-based video players with the 10 inch screens, adding a USB port or something.

Future PDAs will be converged devices, with phones, cameras, and DVD....at least until MRAM arrives.

Do It Yourself (1)

meehawl (73285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7714634)

What you people should be doing is hacking one of those DVD-based video players with the 10 inch screens, adding a USB port or something.

Every time the great Rockbox guys get a mention on /. there's always some poster who tells them to go do something that the poster is more interested in.

If it means so much to you then why don't you go do something with one of these DVD players? Nobody's stopping you. The Rockbox code is even GPLd so you can start from there.

This is analogous to what happens when people post in cool hacks for old 8-bit pcs, or for tiny web servers, or for bizarre WiFi rigs. Sometimes people just do stuff because they already have the hardware, they know it well, and it gives them a buzz.

Re:Do It Yourself (1)

plinius (714075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7722246)

Sometimes people just do stuff because they already have the hardware, they know it well, and it gives them a buzz.

That's quite true, I've thought about numerous "useless" projects myself, like screwing around with my old 386 laptop.

My point however was, ultimately things are leading to convergence of portable devices. We can wait for industry to do it, or we can "have fun" beating them to it.

What is an .rvf file? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7714731)

Because that's what the movies are...

Let's see you do THAT with your fancy iPod (1)

smcdow (114828) | more than 10 years ago | (#7716669)

Rockbox is the main reason I went with Archos instead of getting an iPod. AFAIK, there is no way to write your own software for the iPod. I spent a couple of evenings reading the Rockbox source code, and it's put together very well. With the new plugins architecture, it's very easy to write your own modules for it.

This thing really, really rocks.

Rockbox [rockbox.haxx.se] is an Open Source replacement firmware for the Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio, Recorder, FM Recorder and Recorder V2 MP3 players.

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