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a quick one... (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723697)

THE FINAL SOLUTION (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723781)

Das was wir in unseren R*stungsbetrieben leisten ... wird, wenn wir es auch erst am Schluss des Krieges ... aufrechnen k*nnen, dartun k*nnen, eine sehenswerte und beachtliche Leistung sein. Ich will auch ein ganz schweres Kapitel ... will ich hier vor Ihnen in aller Offenheit nennen. Es soll zwischen uns ausgesprochen sein, und trotzdem werden wir nicht in der *ffentlichkeit nie dar*ber reden. Genau so wenig, wie wir am 30. Juni gez*gert haben, die befohlene Plicht zu tun und Kameraden, die sich verfehlt hatten, an die Wand zu stellen und zu erschiessen, wie wir dar*ber niemals gesprochen haben und sprechen werden. Das war so eine Gottseidank in uns wohnende Takt, Selbstverst*ndlichkeit des Taktes, dass wir uns untereinander nie dar*ber unterhalten haben, nie dar*ber sprachen, es hat jeden ... geschauert und jeder war sich klar, dass er es das n*chste Mal wieder tun w*rde, wenn es befohlen wird und wenn es notwendig ist.
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Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des j*dischen Volkes. Es geh*rt zu den Dingen, die man leicht ausspricht. "Das j*dische Volk wird ausgerottet", sagt Ihnen jeder Parteigenosse, "ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm drin, Aus...schaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir, pfah!, Kleinigkeit". Und dann kommen sie alle, alle die braven 80 Millionen Deutschen, und jeder hat seinen anst*ndigen JudenSagt: alle anderen sind Schweine, und hier ist ein prima Jude. Und ...... zugesehen, es durchgestanden hat keiner. Von Euch werden die meisten wissen, was es heisst, wenn 100 Leichen beisammen liegen, wenn 500 daliegen oder wenn 1000 daliegen. Und ... dies ... durchgehalten zu haben, und dabei - abgesehen von menschlichen Ausnahmeschw*chen - anst*ndig geblieben zu sein, hat uns hart gemacht und ist ein niemals genanntes und niemals zu nennendes Ruhmesblatt, denn wir wissen, wie schwer wir uns t*ten, wenn wir heute noch in jeder Stadt bei den Bombenangriffen, bei den Lasten des Krieges und bei den Entbehrungen, wenn wir da noch die Juden als geheime Saboteure, Agitatoren und Hetzer h*tten. Wir w*rden wahrscheinlich in das Stadium des Jahres 16/17 jetzt gekommen sein, wenn die Juden noch im deutschen Volksk*rper s*ssen.
Die Reicht*mer, die sie hatten, haben wir ihnen abgenommen, und ... ich habe einen strikten Befehl gegeben, den Obergruppenf*hrer Pohl durchgef*hrt hat, wir haben diese Reicht*mer restlos dem Reich, dem Staat abgef*hrt. Wir haben uns nichts davon genommen. Einzelne, die sich verfehlt haben, die werden gem*ss einem von mir gegebenen Befehl, den ich am Anfang gab: Wer sich auch nur eine Mark davon nimmt, ist des Todes. Eine Anzahl SS-M*nner haben sich dagegen verfehlt, es sind nicht sehr viele, und sie werden des Todes sein - GNADELOS! Wir haben das moralische Recht, wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegen*ber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen. Wir haben aber nicht das Recht, uns auch nur mit einem Pelz, mit einer Mark, mit einer Zigarette, mit einer Uhr, mit sonst etwas zu bereichern. Das haben wir nicht. Denn wir wollen nicht am Schluss, weil wir den Bazillus ausrotten, an dem Bazillus krank werden und sterben. Da werde ich niemals zusehen, dass so etwas *berhaupt nur auch ein ... kleine F*ulnisstelle bei uns eintritt oder sich festsetzt. Sondern, wo sich eine festsetzten sollte, werden wir sie gemeinsam ausbrennen. Insgesamt aber k*nnen wir sagen: Wir haben diese schwerste Aufgabe in Liebe zu unserem Volk getan. Und wir haben keinen Schaden in unserem Innern, in unserer Seele, in unserem Charakter daran genommen.

Re:THE FINAL SOLUTION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723807)

YHBT by the FPer,
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aha! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723698)

fr0st p1st! will of warrior! aha!

Re:aha! (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723788)

despite your "will of warrior", you just failed it whereas I just passed by in order to check my freaks' journals, saw an empty story and made it.

Get a priority(*), donut-hole.

(*priority = this word designate anything important which exists IRL**)

(**IRL = outside one's parents' basement, opposedly to slashdot which only gathers some buttfuckers'*** homo fantasms)

(***buttfuckers = some guy with no life who self-designates itself as a "Nerd-and-proud-of-it" and considers itself l33t)

(**** l33t, Nerd, etc. = if somebody calls itself one of these, just avoid him like a -gay- plague, if it calls YOU these, either avoid it if he's friendly or commit suicide if he looks objective)

OK, just burnt my 2 weekly posts, let's get back to something important

Re:aha! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723832)

You're my hero, Adolf Hitroll. I would if I could give you modpoints and extra weekly comments.

Warning! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723702)

This kit will install Claria spyware in your genetic code.

Am I... a racist?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723708)

I've always thought of myself as liberal, open-minded and tolerant person.

I don't mind if you're a person who smokes a joint once in a while.

I am not really bothered if you've been in prison.

Gay? Lesbian? Who cares?

Today, however, I realized something that deeply disturbed me.

For some reason, being close to someone of a different race makes me uncomfortable. I've tried to fight off this feeling, but it just doesn't go away. Am I really a racist? I don't want to be one. In fact, I find even the idea of treating someone differently because of their religion, skin colour or ethnicity makes me feel sick.

Do other liberals feel the way I do or am I really a closet racist?

Re:Am I... a racist?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723758)

am I really a closet racist?

Yes. You should be ashamed of yourself. Feeling superior to people whose culture is laughable and scientific achievements negligible.

The punishment for such a heinous thought-crime is a trip to the mental re-adjustment camps.

Dunno (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723764)

can't say anything more clear, but I feel the same. No problem with any person, however kinky he/she/"it" may be. Okay, some people make me at least raise an eyebrow or silently giggle, especially drag queens or any overly styled snobs, but no problem talking to anyone or being at least 85% fair when dealing with them. :)

But I've got serious acceptance problems with people of sub-par culture. People that are too closely resembling their animal ancestors or that seem to exist only to show off. This feeling is strongest against niggers, religious fanatics and arab towelheads.

Fisher Price Cloning (5, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723709)

"What's next, the Fisher Price Cloning kit?"

Man, I hope not: those Fisher Price kids are genetic disasters. Most of them are bald, have some type of head enlarging disorder, as well as lack of arms and legs. I've even seen one with a pan on his head.

Now Weebles: there's your evolutionary high road...

Re:Fisher Price Cloning (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723721)

What's next, the Fisher Price Penis Enlargment Kit?

Re:Fisher Price Cloning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723739)

Now Weebles: there's your evolutionary high road...

If you don't mind your kid falling over like a dead segway, I suppose.

Re:Fisher Price Cloning (0)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723784)

No dumbass, weebles wobble but they dont fall down.

Re:Fisher Price Cloning (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723794)

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Re:Fisher Price Cloning tsarkon reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723752)

THE US got Saddam. Your evil overlords- those who run Islamic nations, Extreme Left-Wing Socialists experimenting with the lives of their countrymen, and Communists, killing human spirit and progress and legislating mediocrity - will be deconstructed and destroyed. You cannot impose your foul cults on the progressive world. You will be found and stamped out sometimes with force, sometimes under the weight of your own corruption (just like Nicolae Ceausescu.) Also, Communists and Far-Left Socialists, you will be shown to be the frauds you are and your failing systems will buckle under the system of economic imperialism and power. We will defeat you all until you capitulate into acting like human beings and worrying about your family, your children, their success and their future and human progress before your cults, religions and nationalism. We will expose the cults and the frauds you are and when you capitulate to the progressive west your standard of living will rise and the lies of your dictators will be exposed. FREEDOM from your cults and oppression, and you Socialist armchair assholes who think they can think for me and everyone else like Soros and other rich, communistic disgusting scum, we will triumph over you. We will not let you suppress our excellence, your drive to success and explore and to win in the game of life and to preserve the human species viability as an organism. Stand in the way and either DIE or progress with us.

Re:Fisher Price Cloning (1)

Walt Dismal (534799) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723965)

This brings back fond memories of those 50's movies, "I Was a Teenage Genetic Engineer" and the sequel, "Beach WLAN Bingo" with Cowboy Neal and Annette. I think Vincent Price was in there somewhere too.

Wow (0, Redundant)

Soporific (595477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723715)

I had no idea this kind of technology was even near any kind of consumer level. It's amazing the rate technology is progressing.

~S

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

autolycos (720587) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723751)

Unfortunately, this is a bit far from sequencing. All you're doing is taking the raw DNA and making it insoluble in water. So, really, it's a great way to make false snot... which should appeal to the young male sector more anyway. Gross is G00d

Re:Wow (5, Informative)

mlush (620447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723824)

I had no idea this kind of technology was even near any kind of consumer level. It's amazing the rate technology is progressing.

Its not quite what it says on the story, its not DNA sequencing its just a DNA seperation kit using the bog standard ethanol prep [exploratorium.edu] which you can do with washing up liquid, salt and a bottle of (80%) Polish vodka. The electrophoresis [nexusresearchgroup.com] step is quite nice using a battery to provide the DC current. However the kit is nothing you could not make yourself (Most of Molecular biology is really quite low tech the main requirement is getting pure reagents to do it with)

Thats not to say its not a cool gift/toy, at the very least the Centrifuge, and Electrophoresis chamber could probably be reused by the budding geekling

here [discovery.com] is the link to the actual product.

A small nit. (1)

toothfish (596936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724007)

I think you might mean 80 proof vodka-- 80% would be 160 proof. I didn't see any 160 proof booze when I was there, and I highly suspect even if they made it they'd have a hard time importing it into the US (where I happen to be).

I was hanging out with Polish folks too, and I don't think they were holding out on me.

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

Dr.Enormous (651727) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723839)

It's just gene mapping via electrophoresis, rather than sequencing. The stuff to do it crudely is actually pretty simple and cheap.

All it gets you is a pattern of sites that the enzymes cut at, not a sequence. Still, this is how a lot of DNA work (particularly forensics) is done, and it's awesome enough for me to want one (even though I have ready access to the real stuff).

Anyone know how well it actually works? (2, Insightful)

DavidNWelton (142216) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723717)

I don't mean producing laboratory quality results, just whether it works at all to produce something recognizable? This would be sort of a fun gift for my girlfriend, who is in biotech.

Re:Anyone know how well it actually works? (5, Interesting)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723783)

This basically extracts DNA and runs whatever natural fragments form across a gel - definitely not sequencing, but certainly cute.

As a biochemist I certainly appreciate the value of the kit in introducting kids to science. Think of it like you'd think of a build-your-own-microscope or build-your-own-electric-motor kit. Yeah, those do make things look bigger and they will turn in a wobbly sort of way, but they aren't useful as real microscopes/motors.

As far as the reference in the article to paternity testing goes - forget it. At the very least you'd have to use a restriction enzyme to generate a fingerprint pattern. This just makes visible the various small chunks of DNA visible which are created from mechanical handling of it.

Most likely you'll get a smear of some sort - not discrete bands like you get from any useful experiment. Also - if you do end up with any patterns you'll probably get a different one any time - hardly a "fingerprint". Then again, the discovery website lists a DNA stain fabricated to look like real DNA in its brief description - so if that is added to the well prior to electrophoresis you could get a pattern of bands - though this would not be from the DNA in your sample.

It is a cute concept though. Your girlfriend will probably appreciate it, although the results will be far inferior to anything she generates at work (assuming she actually works in the lab).

I wish I knew more about the contents of the kit. I'm curious as to what they're using for staining - the gold standard in the lab is ethidium bromide. However, I'm certain that isn't in the kit - it is a very powerful mutagen.

Re:Anyone know how well it actually works? (3, Informative)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723823)

I'm curious as to what they're using for staining - the gold standard in the lab is ethidium bromide. However, I'm certain that isn't in the kit - it is a very powerful mutagen.

Cyber Green? I think that's fairly safe.... Ethidium Bromide would be bad!

Would have been nice if they could have included some cheap and robust restriction enzyme, to produce fingerprints. However this would then require hybridisation with a probe to bring out a few bands - way too complex/expensive. Anyone think of a cheaper and easier way of producing a nice fingerprint? It would be good to have a Mark II kit that actually did something usefull...

Re:Anyone know how well it actually works? (2, Interesting)

CommandNotFound (571326) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724063)

As a biochemist...

I've RTFA's for almost five years now about DNA sequencing, and how uber-clusters of Linux boxes have been used to help this process (a recent Linux Journal article talked about this). However, never have I seen an explanation of what DNA sequencing really is, and more importantly, what good does having a sequence do? What will we do with this new information? All the articles I see usually have a sidebar with some handwaving about "medical research" and the obligatory "hopefully find new cures for cancer". Usually it just seems to be used by the media and governments as a benchmark to display against the other guys, such as "We sequenced the [animal] gene in 2.37 days, much faster than the [other nationality] team who took three weeks. [our nationality] rules!"

I don't consider myself stupid, but I'm really ignorant about the topic. Can it be explained to a fellow techie in the length of a forum post? As an engineer at heart, I like to know what the final result will be (the "benefit" in the cost/benefit analysis).

Total nucleic acid (2, Interesting)

howlatthemoon (718490) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724508)

Right on, there would be likely nothing but a smear, even cutting it up would result in a smear because the huge number of overlapping fragments, but the kit includes DNA stain -- fabricated to mimic real DNA -- so I am guessing you will always get the same pattern. I suppose you could run it out on the gel, take a sample from the lane, and run that out in a lower %age agarose gel to separate things out.

However, this is a crude extract with no purification or isolation. Fingerprinting this kind of prep is worthless to answer questions other than is there nucleic acids in the sample unless they are including some sort of probe (highly unlikely). Fingerprinting entire genomes of multichromosomal organisms would not be something worth doing (beyond the gee-whiz factor) unless you move into doing blots, or if you worked with entities with single chromosomes such as bacteria or mitochondrial DNA. They include lambda DNA, maybe that let's them do a fingerprint, maybe with a double digest to do some mapping.

Given the fact that it appears that the DNA stain seems to be responsible for the pattern seen- the good news for parents fearful that Jane or Johnny might discover something about her/his parentage, everyone in the world will look like they have identical patterns- unless the kid is smart enough to figure out that it might mean the parents might be a little too closely related.

Re:Anyone know how well it actually works? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723789)

Yes it would be fun to have a girlfriend, every geek is running to the stores as we speak.

Bag one of these babies and grab some babes DNA, will there be an online database of chick's DNA?

Then we shall bag the Cloning kit next.

Actually that brings up an issue. PRIVACY, what if somebody puts online a database and people start submitting Peoples DNA (from any source).

Re:Anyone know how well it actually works? (1)

ps (21245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724124)

Shameless plug!

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More Christmas gifts (-1)

The Old Burke (679901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723719)

..over at Anandtech [anandtech.com]

Re:More Christmas gifts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723727)

Proud patriot and republican voter.

So stop voting for the neo-cons then. They've taken over the Republican party.

i h8 it... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723720)

when I get here early and have to RTFA instead of the posts

For Free? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723724)

Why pay when you can do it for free [about.com] ?

Re:For Free? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723896)

That only shows how to extract DNA, which is the easy part. Comparing DNA sequences is a bit more difficult.

Re:For Free? (1)

IncarnadineConor (457458) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723940)

1. Gather together a banana, an onion, a chicken liver, salt, warm water, a blender, liquid soap, toothpicks, a strainer, a glass jar and rubbing alcohol.
2. Cut your banana, onion and liver into tiny pieces.
3. Place your banana pieces in the blender, add a teaspoon of salt and slightly cover the mixture with warm water.
4. Mix in the blender for 5 to 10 seconds making sure the mixture is not too runny.
5. Pour the mixture into the glass jar through the strainer. You want the jar to be about half full.
6. Add about 2 teaspoons of liquid soap and gently stir the mixture. You should try not to create bubbles when stirring.
7. Carefully pour the rubbing alcohol down the side of the glass stopping near the top.
8. Wait for 5 minutes.
9. Use the toothpicks to extract the DNA that floats to the surface.
10. Repeat this procedure for the onion and the chicken liver.


Because I'd rather not stick my hand in a blender.

usefull for math class (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723726)

does this thing solve series as well as sequences?

Nice 'gift' for christmas (5, Funny)

HansF (700676) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723730)

Now, your kids can check if you are their real father for themselves.
I think a lot of kids wil be very happy with this information.

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (0, Funny)

telekon (185072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723766)

Unfortunately, this thing isn't fine enough to extract enough usable genetic material from blood... so the trick will be getting a tissue sample from daddy after he passes out from one too many glasses of eggnog.

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (4, Funny)

YanceyAI (192279) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723872)

What's more dangerous? Junior with the chemsitry set that can blow up the garage, or Junior with the goods to blackmail mom...

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (0)

MaxiCat_42 (711203) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723992)

I would worry more about Junior playing with the toy car running on gas with 'nitoglycerine' added. I think they meant to say nitromethane.

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724189)

I saw that too and wondered if they meant Nitrous-oxide (laughing gas). 'tis the normal thing you you mix with fuel to create that 'added kick'.

Definately not nitroglycerine, that's for sure. :)

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (1)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724560)

neither... Models run off nitromethane, from 0% up to about 30%. (higher also, but those are the common ones.) also toss in 10%-20% oil, either synthetic or castor, and the rest is methyl alcohol.

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (4, Interesting)

Deanasc (201050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724010)

That's a big part of the reason they don't do blood typing in science classes anymore. Most people think it's because of the AIDS scare but really it's because in almost every class some kid would discover there was no way his (or her) father was real. Some fathers knew... Some didn't.

Re:Nice 'gift' for christmas (1)

Hentai (165906) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724486)

That isn't the first thing I thought of when I saw this.

My first thought was, "Great, now how can I rig this up into a quick viral infection test?"

Imagine the social impacts of a 5-minute, DNA-based 'home STD test', that was as reliable as those 'home pregnancy tests' you get at the supermarket. Find a hottie at the bar, go home, prick your fingers, compare bands and you're good for a wild night of bareback.

It'd be the 70's all over again.

Great Idea ... (3, Funny)

the real darkskye (723822) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723733)

until little jamie finds out that he and daddy share no genetic material, before this gets released, let me buy shares in the paper divorce orders are printed on ...
;)

WARNING /. Gestapo turns in ACs to FBI tsarkon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723760)

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER
(Use a disposable account from a disposable IP before moderating this up. Editors generally watch and see who moderates controversial things like this up.)

When you are logged in, /. ties your user account to any Anonymous Coward postings you make... Thus they know who posted it. To demonstrate this:
  1. Get mod points.
  2. Post an AC comment while logged in
  3. Change your dynamic ip, clear all cookies
  4. Log back in and try to moderate your AC comment... you can't!!!

Please *log out* AND use another browser before making your AC comments.
Your UID is being tracked, it's not Anonymous. Lots of people post lots of things to Slashdot as AC only because they believe it is really anonymous - it isn't. They hunt "trolls" (non-karma whores and non-group thinking bots) down.

This is true. I used to be a bit more freestyle and witty AC and be a nice guy logged in [basically a karma whore]. After a short while, I could no longer moderate. Slashdot does brand AC posts with IP and then map them back to users. They lie about AC, AC doesn't exist if you re-use ip addresses.

Big brother is watching. So while I might be a "troll" a lot of the AC things I said were to protect myself from Slash-bot groupthink. They punished me for voicing my opinion freestyle.

They also revoke moderation FOREVER - $rtbl it is called, for any moderations of any post that have been secretly flagged annoying [Slashcode has hidden flags viewable by editors]. If you *EVER* mod up something an editor secretly marked annoying you NEVER moderate again, ever - ever even if your karma is capped.

Also, Slashdot uses the friends system to track "trolls." Mark a troll you find funny as a friend *bang* $rtbl never to moderate ever again. My real account had many many good friends who had good karma, and a few funny trolls later, no more moderation for that account. Again, Slashdot is spying on its users to make the people who find certain things funny ineligible to moderate. You will never moderate again if you are a friend of a "foe or freak" of an editor.

FACT: This is in Slashcode CVS

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Branch: bender
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So AC is a scam here. Hitler-Malda screws AC posts in the caboose. So now all you can do is go 100% AC, or , as they expect you to, KARMA WHORE. And it is so lame and unfair and probably illegal as they lie about anonymity.

Also, sometimes when certain information becomes an active thread, they bitchslap the thread much later so that people think its "safe" to participate and the whole thing gets slapped.

There is a presumption anonymous means something. They lie like rugs to the posting public by using the word anonymous. It is not. They brazenly lie though and the un-assuming poster is having everything he says correlated with him and stored in a computer just waiting to be subpoenaed by the people that Slashdot claims to hate but works for. They work for the fascist forces and components of the US government. I like the US and other Western governments but they have good and bad components - there are things you need to do to protect yourself from the bad components. Basically "covering your ass" so to speak. At Slashdot, in lying about AC, un-protects its posting public (seeding a de-anonymizing privacy stripping pandemic in their own "little" way). This makes Slashdot a very dangerous target for you the posters to have your "anonymous" information subpoenaed and you to be chased down and persecuted for speaking your mind. I think that it is a joke Slashdot editors post about SCO, MSFT, RIAA, MPAA, TIA, FBI, etc. They do the same fascist big-brotherly things that those companies do the public at large as they do to the Slashdot posting public.

Protect yourself. Try and use proxies or a super good second browser with proxies that you never log into such as Opera (which makes it very easy to delete all private data). Thank you.

I want to show user/victim feedback showing this is neither a troll nor a scam, but a genuine warning:
Hi. I used to work for VA Linux about 4 years ago (back when they sold hardware). I can tell you that originally, AC comments were, anonymous in the database (the web logs could be used to link a comment to an ip address). When the scientologists sued (or threatened to sue) over some copyrighted material that got posted anonymously, the Slashdot team not only deleted the comments, but also started removing the anonymity from AC posts.
next:
I didn't believe this at first (and I don't have moderator points, so I can't test it). However, looking over the slashcode.org cvs code, he's correct. The comments table has a sid, cid, and pid columns. sid is the story #, cid, is the comment #, and pid is the poster id #. pid's default value is 0 for anonymous coward. Looking through the slashcode, I noticed that instead of checking for 0 as AC, it checks < 1 -- 0 or negative values are treated as AC. Looking further, the "Post Anonymously" box causes the -pid to be stored; ie if you're slashdot user #12345, -12345 would be stored in the comments db. Although it shows up as an AC post, it's possible for anyone with db access (or a subpoena) to find out who posted it if they were logged in.
and finally:
Another way to test this is to log in and post a comment, logged in. Set your preferences so that you get a message whenever someone posts a reply to your message, including AC's. Then stay logged in and post an anonymous reply to your own comment. You won't get a message because they know that you have replied to your own comment. Log out and then post a comment to see that you will get a message. Rob Malda refuses to address this backhanded behavior and this is why I refuse to subscribe to Slashdot. Who knows how they'll handle my address and billing information - they certainly won't tell me.

Re:Great Idea ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723852)

Dec 27th: Today Jamie resequenced the dog. Results unknown, but I am very afraid.

DIY Paternity kits? (-1, Redundant)

davecl (233127) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723736)

Will this kit be able to do genetic testing for paternity? If some stidues are right, then many people do not have the father they think they have. Having home genetic testing for this could produce some very interesting results...

GREASED UP YODA DOLL and MAJOR TOM tsarkon reports (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723769)

9 steps to greasing your anus for Yoda Doll Insertion! [sidetalkin.com]
v 4.02.0
$YodaBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/yodanotes/9steppro cess.sgml,v 4.02.0 2003/12/05 14:15:45 tsarkon Exp $
  1. Defecate. Preferably after eating senna, ex lax, prunes, cabbage, pickled eggs, and Vietnamese chili garlic sauce. Defecation could be performed in the Return of the Jedi wastebasket for added pleasure. [homestead.com]
  2. Wipe ass with witch hazel, soothes horrific burns. (Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda can use witch-hazel on mouth to soothe the horrific burns from performing so much analingus.)
  3. Prime anus with anal ease. [dimout.com] (Now Cherry Flavored for those butthole lick-o-phillic amongst you - very popular with 99% of the Slashdotting public!)
  4. Slather richly a considerable amount of Vaseline and/or other anal lubricants into your rectum at least until the bend and also take your Yoda Doll [starwars-rpg.net] , Yoda Shampoo bottle [homestead.com] or Yoda soap-on-a-rope [homestead.com] and liberally apply the lubricants to the Doll/Shampoo/Soap-on-a-rope.
  5. Pucker your balloon knot several times actuating the sphincter muscle in order to work it in.
  6. Put a nigger do-rag [firstlinemfg.com] on Yoda's head so the ears don't stick out like daggers!
  7. Make sure to have a mechanism by which to fish Yoda out of your rectum, the soap on the rope is especially useful because the retrieval mechanism is built in. [homestead.com]
  8. Slowly rest yourself onto your Yoda figurine. Be careful, he's big! [starwars-rpg.net]
  9. Gyrate gleefully in your computer chair while your fat sexless geek nerd loser fat shit self enjoys the prostate massage you'll be getting. Think about snoodling [urbandictionary.com] with the Sarlaac pit. Read Slashdot. Masturbate to anime. Email one of the editors hoping they will honor you with a reply. Join several more dating services - this time, you don't check the (desired - speaks English) and (desired - literate). You figure you might get a chance then. Order some fucking crap from Think Geek. Get Linux to boot on a Black and Decker Appliance. Wish you could afford a new computer. Argue that IDE is better than SCSI because you can't afford SCSI. Make claims about how Linux rules. Compile a kernel on your 486SX. Claim to hate Windows but use it for Everquest. Admire Ghyslain's courage in making that wonderful star wars movie. Officially convert to the Jedi religion. Talk about how cool Mega Tokyo is. Try and make sure you do your regular 50 story submissions to Slashdot, all of which get rejected because people who aren't fatter than CowboyNeal can't submit. Fondle shrimpy penis while making a Yoda voice and saying, use the force [toysrgus.com] , padawan, feeel the foooorce [toysrgus.com] , hurgm. Yes. Yes. When 900 years you reach [lemonparty.org] , a dick half as big you will not have. [toysrgus.com]
All in a days work with a Yoda figurine rammed up your ass.

I HAVE A GREASED UP YODA DOLL SHOVED UP MY ASS!

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Tux is the result after trimming Yoda's ears off so that Lunix people don't rip themselves a new Asshole

What you can do with you ass after sitting on a GREASED UP YODA DOLL. [theadultpress.com]

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Synopsis:--Major Tom goes to the bathroom and shoves a Yoda doll up his ass, and then gimps back to his desk to post AC Trolls on Slashdot.--Title: "Soddity"-- Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Take your ex-lax bars and put my do-rag on. - Yoda Doll to Major Tom. - Commencing countdown, rope is on. - Begin insertion and may Goatse's love be with you. -- This is Yoda Doll to Major Tom, - You've rectally been flayed! - And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear. - Now it's time to leave the crapper if you dare. -- This is Major Tom to Yoda Doll, - I'm stepping through the door. - And I'm farting in a most peculiar way! - And my ass looks very different today. - For here... - Am I shitting in the tincan? - Far...too busy posting trolls. -- Slashdot censors you...and there's nothing I can do. -- Uploading one hundred thousand files, -I'm feeling very ill. - I don't think my feces know which way to go. - I can't tell my intestines from spaghetti- - code. Yoda Doll to Major Tom, your prostate's dead, there's something wrong, - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? - Can you hear me, Major Tom? Can you hear... Am I shitting in the tincan? - My ass like a baboon's - Slashdot censors you - and there's nothing I can do.

I pledge Allegiance to the Doll
of the Greased Up States of Yodarica
and to the Republic for which it shoves,
one nation under Yoda, rectal intrusion,
with anal lube and ass grease for all.


hello.mpeg lyrics.
I'm doin' this tonight ,
You're probably gonna start a fight .
I know this can't be right .
Hey baby come on,
I loved you endlessly ,
When you weren't there for me.
So now it's time to leave and make it alone .
I know that I can't take no more
It ain't no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby , bye, bye, bye...

A picture of your ass after YODA. [bmezine.com]

Misleading (0, Redundant)

SimianOverlord (727643) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723737)

So, this kit extracts some DNA, purifies it and runs it out on some kind of gel, then stains it. DNA sequencing my ass. Still, it's pretty neat - though I wouldn't want any kid of mine fiddling around with DNA dyes, most of them are nasty stuff.

Re:Misleading (1)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723813)

Yeah, it's not sequencing -- it's just traditional 1970's style molecular biology. But you're right about dyes. Anything that can intercalate into DNA probably is a good mutagen.

Family Secrets (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723738)

I'm goign to check the DNA of all my friends and that of their parents! That's going to be interesting...

Also known as... (-1, Redundant)

cspenn (689387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723741)

Home paternity test only $100!

You've got to love the free market.

Accuracy-wise, it'll be interesting to see if the device produces any meaningful results - if it does, it might actually change the nature of the legal system. Lawyers and their ilk could afford to quickly and easily introduce "DNA test results" without regard to where the source material came from, and the public - which has little to no knowledge of DNA testings (witness the OJ trial) - may very well go for it, not knowing that a $100 Christmas toy did the testing.

Re:Also known as... (4, Interesting)

NickFitz (5849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723997)

Lawyers and their ilk could afford to quickly and easily introduce "DNA test results" without regard to where the source material came from

It doesn't work that way. In order for such results to be admissible in court, a chain of custody of the evidence has to be established. What this basically comes down to is that a medical profesional has to swear an affidavit that they collected the samples, sealed them and ensured that they went to the lab without any possibility of any of the parties in the case being able to tamper with them.

I took a home paternity test last year, which came out negative. If it had been positive, the mother would still have had no legal grounds for getting child support from me. It would have been necessary (from a legal point of view) for a properly supervised test to have been performed.

(Mind you, if he had been my child, I wouldn't have been such an absolute bastard as to turn my back on my responsibilities. The mother herself suggested that we carry out the test. And she is a lawyer.)

Chucky doll? (2, Funny)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723747)

From the article:

Mommy's Little Mouthpiece Teddy Ruxpin goes wireless. Plug Wabi's transmitter into a phone jack, call a designated toll-free number, and record a message. At selected intervals, the transmitter collects the data and sends it to the ursine bot's receiver over a 900-MHz signal. The bear giggles when it gets a message, and your kid simply presses its badge to play the audio. "Hi, Billy! Mommy and Daddy don't love you anymore. I'm in charge now, and things are going to change around this house, dammit!"

Great. Now we can give them Chucky Doll for present.
If only i had something like that when my little sister annoyed me.

Re:Chucky doll? JUNIS KANUNI speak with tsarkon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723775)

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Re:Chucky doll? (1)

Bobulusman (467474) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724002)

I was looking at this list a few weeks ago, and I concluding that thing was the creepiest toy ever. ...

Of course, I would probably use it by locking the "play" switch on and tormenting some kid, yeah.

Talk about miniturization... (1)

telekon (185072) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723754)

What amazes me is how tiny the stuff is... the centrifuge is this little test-tubdee holder with a bell jar ovewr it.

It sure beats trying to put the wshing-mchine sized behemoths a lot of labs use for this application under the christmas tree... and those things can rock themselves across the room. Just imagine Junior getting caught between that and the wall.

Modding the Airzooka (3, Interesting)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723757)

The Airzooka vortex gun is interesting, but I bet that you could have a lot more fun by injecting a flammable gas/liquid into the vortex, and then igniting it either after launching or when it hits a target.

Don't try this at home kids -- try this at someone else's home!

Re:Modding the Airzooka (4, Informative)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723796)

It doesn't work too well, when you light the ring, it doesn't ignite evenly, it just sorta flashes upward from the point where you ignited it, no flaming rings shooting across the room, as cool as that would be.

Re:Modding the Airzooka (2, Insightful)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723864)

If it's dangerous and geeky, someone on Slashdot will have tried it. :^P Did you try firing an unlit ring at a candle across the room?

Messy? (5, Insightful)

Zorgoth (68241) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723765)

I am curious how powerful the centrifuge is in this thing. My mom worked in a med-lab and they had centrifuge repair guys on call in case one started to make funny noises. Unstable high RPM systems of blood and glass can get a little nasty.

Boring ! (3, Insightful)

rcastro0 (241450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723767)

DNA Sequencing ? As Homer Simpson would put it, "Boring !" I mean, "see kid, this barcode is different from this barcode, this is a black bean DNA and this is a green pea DNA", "dad, can't I go back to my playstation ?".

But, hey, I would like to play with them Pixel Blocks myself [pixelblocks.com] ! (from the same wired review).

Re:Boring ! (1)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724120)

hehe...Now a Fisher Price DNA combining kit, THAT would be something cool.

"Dad, check this out! I extracted some blood from a mosquito encased in amber and added it to some frog eggs that I found...Hey, they hatched!!! Where did my little baby go?"

ROARRRRRR

A Toy (4, Interesting)

QueenOfSwords (179856) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723778)

Could any biochemists comment on the likely limitations of this kit? Ok, obviously it's a toy, but what limitations look like they've been placed on this thing? I know we're all making jokes about 'Daddy's not junior's father' but sadly :) I can't see this thing having the resolution to provide that much information.
Obviously it won't have the more dangerous chemicals mentioned previously, and sample purity would be a bit of a joke, but I'm curious as to how well, if at all, this thing would work, and how?

Re:A Toy (5, Interesting)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723857)

DNA quality would be poor... but good enough to be usable in the laboratory. It basic cell-lysis, seperation of organic/inorganic phases and alcohol-precipitation of DNA.

You could use this for PCR, and then do many things with it. You could potentially have a "deluxe" version of the kit for $1000 dollars, including:

1. Basic thermocylcer
2. Reagents/Enzyme for PCR
3. Primers for PCR
4. Reagents/Enzyme for restriction digestion

The kit could then be used for (basic, potentially problematic) paternity testing.

Re:A Toy (1)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724239)


The kit could then be used for (basic, potentially problematic) paternity testing.

As I'm sure you realize, there are other issues besides the science--unless you can interpret the results as easily as on an EPT test, you'll get more lawsuits than'll be worthwhile.

It will tell you if you have DNA but not much else (2, Informative)

manganese4 (726568) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723860)

Well it will never give you a full dna report as you need to do more than just a simple gell. I am curious as to what the enzymes are. My guess is that they are specific for certain base patterns and cut the DNA into smaller pieces. (Alternatives they could be peptiases and just eat up the protein from the peas) The smaller pieces will transverse the gell faster than the larger pieces. So while the experiment will detect DNA all it will be able to report on is how many pieces of DNA you can create with the enzymes. Of course, if you do not know the enzyme, even this info will be useless.

It's not DNA sequencing (5, Informative)

grouse (89280) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723869)

Quite simply there is no sequencing ocurring. It's merely separation of DNA molecules. This will just tell you their size. There's not sufficient information in the article or the store blurb [discovery.com] for me to figure out if restriction enzymes [wikipedia.org] are being included, which would make things slightly more interesting. In the days before PCR and DNA sequencing was as easy as it is now, genetic tests were done via Restriction Fragment Length Polymorphisms, so your DNA would break up into differently sized bits depending on which sequence was present at a cutting site.

Distributed Genome Variability Analysis (4, Interesting)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723802)

It would seem that products like this one (or maybe slightly more professional versions) would eventually support distributed human genome sequencing efforts by individuals. More data on the DNA sequences of more people would help scientists, biomed, and pharma types understand the genetic variability of people.

I guess the next frontier is Sequencing@Home with people bragging about how many of their own base pairs or chromosomes they have sequenced.

Great Leap Forward (2, Interesting)

kimmop (121096) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724053)

Distributed genotyping sounds like a good idea at first but you should be woried about quality controls. I mean I've seen "Molecular biology for Computer Scientists (PhDs)" courses where people sequence their own (as in "..flesh and blood") samples and after a BLAST search find out that they are more of an E.Coli than Human.

Actually this remainds me of Chinas "Great Leap Forward [wikipedia.org] " when Mao thought it would be a great idea to have people produce steel in their backyards. Needless to say the little steel produced was useless and lot of time and resources were waisted.

Re:Great Leap Forward (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724308)

Yes, with current technology it is a waste. But with other technology it could be useful. For example bio-remediation or myco-remediation could easily be a back yard project or a massive billion square kilometer project.

home DNA test kits: bring 'em on (2, Insightful)

Wansu (846) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723810)


This is a great way to show kids how DNA tests work. I'm all for anything that would help de-mystify DNA testing in the minds of the public. It's particularly gratifying to see that they'll discover it's ultimately a human being making a judgement call about what he or she sees with a microscope.

Re:home DNA test kits: bring 'em on (1)

MagnaMark (468484) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724376)

No microscopes are involved in DNA testing, despite what you may have seen on CSI:Miami.

Although it is funny to imagine:

White coated scientist squinting into eyepiece: "OK, the next one's a T, and then two A's in a row, and then a G, or wait, is that a C? "

good (3, Funny)

Rumagent (86695) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723826)

Finally I can find that elusive gene for intimate knowlegde of d&d ver 3.5...

Now all I need is the gene for big breasts, blond hair and low standards, and I might end up with the perfect wife after all.

THE REAL QUESTION... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723831)

Which kit does daddy need to buy to prove junior is his child. ;p

(List of items?)

Sci-fi predicts reality (2, Funny)

digrieze (519725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723867)

Just bet you never thought Elroy Jetson would beat out Star Wars, first robots sweeping the carpet (ala Rosie) and now REAL SCIENCE PROJECTS!!!!!!!

Next comes the ejection-bed alarm system!

It's not sequencing, not even real DNA viewing! (5, Informative)

pgolik (526039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723875)

I took a little time to read the description [tinyurl.com] of the kit on Discovery's website. It's much less than the /. post suggested. There's just some chemicals and a toy centrifuge to extract DNA. Actually there are ways to extract DNA with household chemicals, precipitate with isopropanol and spool on a glass or plastic rod. So far it's only DNA extraction, cool as a science-for-fun thing, but nothing new. The analysis part (with electrophoresis) seems to be fake (simulated, if you wish). The kit, according to the Discovery website contains "DNA stain (fabricated to mimic real DNA)". So, it's just a toy, cool, but nothing that'll allow Junior to test his paternity or do any real DNA analysis. There are educational kits that provide real DNA analysis in a classroom environment (like the Biotechnology Explorer [bio-rad.com] program from BioRad), but they still require teacher's supervision.

I'll wait for Genester (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723888)

Swapping and trading DNA over the net, that's the ticket!

You have to be careful however. Last night I downloaded and cloned Madonna, but she just stood there screaming "What the hell do you think you're doing?". It turns out that companies post fake DNA to flood the network. Bummer! It was such a pain disassembling the clone afterwards too.

Sounds great, butt.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723892)

I have sex with dogs...

SEX WITH DOGS!

It is NOT a gene sequencer!!! (2, Informative)

genegeek (548040) | more than 10 years ago | (#7723898)

Sorry, the poster and Wired got it wrong. The original source calls this a gene mapper. That probably means it includes restriction enzymes for cutting the DNA into chuncks. This is not the same as finding the primary sequence. Sequencing by all current common methods requires either radioactivity or a fluorescent laser detection device. Neither of which is likely to be provided for $80. (Or I'd buy it for my lab!!)

I can see the ads now... (-1, Redundant)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724065)

"Yes, now before little Timmy is old enough to procreate he can find out if he's adopted!"

The next biotech killer app? (3, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724171)

What's next, the Fisher Price Cloning kit?

No, its the biotech killer app that will start a civil war in 10-15% (average region dependent) of all households on the planet ...

Over the counter, at your local drugstore, genetic paternity tests.......

Whoever markets the first reliable one will be richer than Bill Gates.

Re:The next biotech killer app? (2, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724242)

That's right, kids, for only $100, you have the opportunity to hold your true parentage over your mom's head. With that kind of power, you can do anything you want!

Cool... (3, Insightful)

Bif Powell (726774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724183)

That's one more thing to add to my list of 'stuff-that-scifi-authors-said-we-would-have-by-20 10'.

Fix your eyes with friggin' lasers.
Communications the size of a pack of smokes (cell phones)
Bluetooth
The Internet
Video Conferencing (and even Video Telephones)
Terrorists with WMDs
Robot that vaccuums

and now...Toys for Sequencing DNA for Junior. Heinlein et al would be proud :)

Still waiting for flying (or automatic/autopilot) cars, permanent station on Moon/Mars (I'll accept either), Cancer/Common-cold cure (I'll accept either), humanoid robot for menial tasks around the house, acceptable voice control/communications in conjunction with useful AI computing...etc...

Re:Cool... (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724212)

sigh, I'm home with a cold, cleaning...

When is this supposed to happen. The electrolux vacuum is tempting though.

Re:Cool... (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724253)

Wait! I just RTFA. I think the Marble Marvel thingy is way cool.

Christ I'm tuning into a luddite, and enjoying it. When do I get chucked off /.?

Worried..... (1, Insightful)

UezeU (731858) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724313)

Obviously no biochemists were involved if they call it "sequencing"

Hope they are smart enough to make the gel first and not include the ingredients for the litle ones

Search for polyacrylimide gel electrophoresis preperation to see what I mean, cause thats all this is

Apple Stuff (-1, Offtopic)

bfg9000 (726447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724351)

Did anyone else notice that all the celebrity "wish lists" were chock full of Apple stuff? I mean, nearly every person on there was drooling over one Apple product or another -- except Paris Hilton PhD, who doesn't want an iPod. She wants a telephone with a lie detector on it and a tv as big as a movie screen.

There is a definable link between Apple computers and intelligence, it seems.

a bit more advanced version (No DIY though) (2, Informative)

fabio (78385) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724417)

over at
www.iwoot.com
you can get a different but more professional dna in a tin kit
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ProductDetails.aspx ?language=en-GB&product=DNATIN&category=LIFE
its not DIY though, its a mail in DNA kit

old news: many DNA science projects (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724502)

High school kids have been doing DNA projects in science fairs for a decade now as the technology trickles down. You dont even need access to a scientist's relative lab anymore.
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