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Microsoft Releases Changelist for Upcoming XP SP2

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the times-they-be-a-changing dept.

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kylef writes "As we know from independent sources, Microsoft is busy readying Service Pack 2 for Windows XP. They have published on their website a changelist document (link goes to TechNet download page) detailing the nature of the security-related fixes and updates. The document is targeted towards XP admins and covers some interesting things such as the new Internet Explorer Pop-up Manager and various security policy changes. Some other juicy tidbits from the document: Internet Connection Firewall will be enabled by default, and there will be new support for something called "Execution Protection" which allows developers to make use of the NX (no execute) page guard flag on Intel's Itanium and newer AMD processors. An interesting read."

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All this work (-1, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752571)

And they still can't prevent pop ups in Internet Explorer.

Re:All this work (3, Informative)

Utopia (149375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752584)

Go read the doc. before you post.
IE has a popup manager in SP2

Re:All this work (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752707)

Doesn't the blocking of ads violate the terms of use of some sites? MS is very pedantic abut people obeying their own EULA, yet they create a software feature to violate someone elses. Hypocrits.

Re:All this work (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752782)

>Doesn't the blocking of ads violate the terms of use of some sites?

Possibly. Who cares? I don't agree with such limitations - you put a site on the web for people to read, free of restrictions. I've yet to agree to anything on my computer other than EULAs. Reading a website does not signify I consent to anything.

Prevent popups, ads, banners etc... (0, Informative)

Capeman (589717) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752591)

Download Ad-Shield [ad-shield.com] , it's the best app I've used to block all internet advertisements.

Re:Prevent popups, ads, banners etc... (3, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752725)

Mozilla Firebird [mozilla.org] works quite well too, and isn't shareware either. And I heard you get a browser that's better than IE as a special offer! :-D

Re:All this work (1)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752593)

Have you even read the article ?
From the article on news.com:
Among the security improvements in Service Pack 2 are a beefed-up version of Windows Firewall, previously called Internet Connection Firewall, and software designed to block pop-up ads and prevent the unintended downloading and installation of software.
And perhaps you should read this [com.com] article as well, titled Internet Explorer to stomp pop-ups.

Re:All this work (5, Informative)

ottawanker (597020) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752594)

Did you RTFA? (I hate saying that, it makes me feel .. like all the other assholes who say that)

Internet Explorer Pop-up Manager
Q. What does Pop-up Manager do?

A. Pop-up Manager blocks most unwanted pop-up windows from appearing. Pop-up windows that are launched when the end user clicks a link will not be blocked.

End users and IT administrators can let specific domains launch programmatic pop-up windows. Developers will be able to use or extend the pop-up functionality in Internet Explorer for applications hosting Internet Explorer.

Q. Who does this feature apply to?

A. For end users, browsing the Web will be less annoying, because unwanted pop-up windows will not automatically appear.

For Web developers, Pop-up Manager affects the behavior of windows opened by Web sites, for example, by using the window.open() and showHelp() methods

For application developers, there is a new user interface: InewWindowManager.

Applications that use the rendering engine in Internet Explorer to display HTML can choose to use or extend the Pop-up Manager functionality.
...

Re:All this work (5, Funny)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752721)

Did you RTFA?"

You must be new here.

Re:All this work (0)

peragrin (659227) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752754)

So in other words IE was a pop up blocker, that html writers can bypass at their own will . Damn I wish I could add security features, and then poke holes in them.

Now I can build a wall, and instead of putting holes in it to start with I will just take my War hammer (yes I have a real one) and punch them in later.

Windows Security at it's finest

Re:All this work (4, Informative)

danheskett (178529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752801)

I think you misunderstand:

HTML writers - web page authors - cannot just bypass the pop-up manager changes. The new interface they reference is for applications that use IE to render HTML. This new interface is part of the Win32 API essentially, and cannot just be called willy-nilly from a webpage (just like any piece of Win32 API).

The little FAQ snippet makes this distinction bu but not very clearly. For app-developers this means that instead of using a little piece of Javascript to open a window they will have to hitch into the API to create a new window.

Basically its just a move to allow app-developers to still use the renderer in an effective way with minimal code changes. Most developers I know however do not use the HTML engine to open new windows. They instead create a new window with API or a language construct and then assign a new instance of the IE activex object to that handle. It's a much more reliable way of opening new HTML windows in applications.

Re:All this work (1)

EddWo (180780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752803)

No this is so developers that use the MSHTML componant can allow their own programs to display popups if they want them to.

Re:All this work (2, Informative)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752811)

No, application developers that use the IE renderer can choose to use or extend the blocker functionality, NOT the website designers. You know, applications running locally?

Mod this twat down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752604)

He's not even read the write-up, let alone the article. What a chump!

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

Capeman (589717) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752572)

fp!

Quick, call the cops! (5, Funny)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752577)

> detailing the nature of the security-related fixes

DMCA violation.

Re:Quick, call the cops! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752645)

BTW, I didn*t find anything in this changelog like the "fixes to known pirate cracks and serial numbers" from SP1. Is it possible that MS gave up ?

Re:Quick, call the cops! (4, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752748)

BTW, I didn*t find anything in this changelog like the "fixes to known pirate cracks and serial numbers" from SP1. Is it possible that MS gave up ?

It's there in the ROT13ed addendum that reads 'Spend six weeks locking out cracks, only to have some hax0r still in baby booties crack it in three minutes.' Not the best use of MS's time or money.

obvious (-1, Troll)

colinleroy (592025) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752588)

They must try to look as active as linux developers are. They release this just because linux 2.6.0 came out!

Smart. (5, Interesting)

starfurynz (676822) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752589)

Looks like MS is finally doing somethin intelligent for once. We'll have to wait to see how intelligent though.

Re:Smart. (2, Informative)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752713)

It sure seems that way. From the .doc document where they talk about the pop up manager:
Why is this change important? What threats does it mitigate?
Pop-ups have been misused in many ways. By blocking pop-ups, the Web is safer for our end users, and the customer has more control over their browsing experience.


The document is filled with explanation of security related fixes.

Re:Smart. (4, Funny)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752714)

Are they going to be upgrading to the new 2.6 kernel? I have a new chipset I was hoping would be supported.

Re:Smart. (0)

fuzzix (700457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752787)

Yeah, looks like they're finally beginning to catch up with the 90s.

Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752590)

"Execution Protection"


They should have reserved that term for certain email attachments...

kernel of linux (novel) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752592)

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bsd haiku (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752597)

flask of ripe urine
pressed to dead bsd lips
bsd drink up

Re:bsd haiku (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752825)


Linux zealot's lips
pressed to the penguin's tux-hole
unsurprisingly

Linux should immulate MS's behavior (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752598)

This is why Linux will never succeed. Instead of simply releasing a helpful service pack to fix the occasional bug, the Open Sores community makes a mockery of you by forcing you to install an entirely new kernel, thus deleting all your files and making your firewall insecure once again.
I'll stick to Windows like everyone else; thanks.

immulate (1)

doru (541245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752631)

Did you mean "emulate" or "immolate" ? Just wondering...

Re:immulate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752777)

Did you mean "emulate" or "immolate" ? Just wondering...

Someone has been playing Warcaft III...

Re:Linux should immulate MS's behavior (1)

Hettch (692387) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752785)

If you've ever used RedHat, their up2date program acts almost exactly like windows update. It even upgrades your kernel for you without ever mocking you. :) Other distributions have very similar updating programs as well. I know you're only trolling, but i felt like giving you a real response.

Wordpad crashed (1, Interesting)

fredrikj (629833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752609)

I tried to open the .doc in Wordpad, with the result that Wordpad crashed. Does this happen to anyone else? (I'm on Windows 2000).

Re:Wordpad crashed (2, Interesting)

TheDredd (529506) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752634)

TextEdit under osx works fine :)

Re:Wordpad crashed (3, Funny)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752663)

The file is in the "OpenOffice.org MS Word doc" format. Wordpad does it's best to open this OpenOffice.org format but it' can't be expected to keep up with the regular format changes.

Re:Wordpad crashed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752780)

Works fine for me thanks. :o)

try right-clicking the link and 'Save as' - opening files within IE takes an age and can sometimes fool the OS into thinking it's stopped responding.

lol...crashes allready (2, Funny)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752614)

I downloaded the doc file, and tried to open it with WordPad (which is supposedly compatible with MS Word (which I refuse to buy), at least up to the level of displaying the text (without tables/pics)

Guess what ? WinXPpro SP1 is very sorry for the inconvenience but decides to throw up on me (an exception that is) and bail out !

Re:lol...crashes allready (-1, Troll)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752628)

If you refuse to buy MS Word, then don't whine that Wordpad (which is NOT ment for working with big documents) refuses to open your files. Or you can use OpenOffice.

Wordpad is "not meant to work" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752641)

wtf does that mean you retard MS-apologist?

Re:lol...crashes allready (1)

StressedEd (308123) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752653)

..Wordpad (which is NOT ment for working with big documents)

And Microsoft Word is? I know many people that tried to write their PhD thesis in Word, they gave up after it corrupted various things too often and used LaTeX.

Re:lol...crashes allready (1)

selderrr (523988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752673)

I can understand that it can't read large .doc files, but :

- I don't expect it to crash. Give me an arror "can't read doc" or sumtin
- They shouldn't advertise Wordpad as a MSWord compatible text-editor
- They shouldn't let WordPad give .doc files as choice of opening files

Re:lol...crashes allready (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752682)

Dude it supports "pre-Word '95" created documents. Anything created with Word 95/97/2000/XP/2003 may not work. ;-)

Program Error (5, Funny)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752618)

"wordpad.exe has generated errors and will be closed by Windows.
You need to restart the program.

An error log is being created."

nice.

Re:Program Error (5, Informative)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752619)

It opens in StarOffice just fine.

Re:Program Error (2, Informative)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752621)

Wordpad is not ment for documents that big. Use MS Word or OpenOffice.

Re:Program Error (5, Insightful)

melevitt (31652) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752692)

Uhh yeah, but it still shouldn't just crash!

Re:Program Error (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752711)

It doesn't matter if it's ment(sic) to or not, it should at least die gracefully.

Re:Program Error (2, Insightful)

ErrorBase (692520) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752709)

Just open it in OpenOffice.Org and all is fine, funny thoug that Word files are not suppoted by MicroSoft anymore. Sidenote : It is a 65kb file saved as OOo native format. Where does the 400+ kb extra stuff comes from (is it only the lack of compression ?)

Re:Program Error (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752738)

They probably just forgot to use "Save As"...

I just hope (5, Interesting)

-noefordeg- (697342) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752624)

this Service Pack doesn't break anything 'useful'... *sigh*

With WinXP I got into some serious trouble with my computer and trying to play games. At first everything worked as it should then after a weekend not a single game would play, black screen on launching a game.
After A LOT of work the conclusion was that quickfix 'SP2 Q328310', which had been auto download from MS, did something which stopped a lot of games which need 3D support from working.

Now I always gets a message when I start windows, about 'new updates available': -Yeah sure! It's still buggering me to download the patch.

This really helps MS too, I'm so much more willing to download updates/patches when I know that a quickfix to lets say notepad, might break something totally unrelated; like the ability to shut down WinXP >:(

Re:I just hope (4, Funny)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752695)

...It's still buggering me to download the patch...

Windows is doing you from behind?

On reflection, could be accurate after all ;-)

Re:I just hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752775)

are you sure.. I can't hear anyone else saying the WM_TIMER patch broke their 3d games.

Set a restore point (so you can back it out), reinstall the patch, see if it still breaks. black screens on games are much more common for other things - like graphics drivers, and I reckon something else happened at the same time you installed the patch.
After all, if its only you having these problems.....

Re:I just hope (5, Funny)

David McBride (183571) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752824)

"Yeah sure! It's still buggering me to download the patch."

Well, I'm pretty sure that isn't going to work..

*POOOF* (5, Funny)

MagerValp (246718) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752630)

Was that the sound of the personal firewall market dying?

Re:*POOOF* (3, Interesting)

tx_kanuck (667833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752648)

Nope. Like most things from MS, the power users and admins will realize that they need more protectin then what is standard. They will then tell their family/friends, and the market will continue like it was.

Re:*POOOF* (4, Insightful)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752798)

Nope. Like most things from MS, the power users and admins will realize that they need more protectin then what is standard. They will then tell their family/friends, and the market will continue like it was.

Yep, just like the web browser market.

Bad-dum-bump.

Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here all night!

Re:*POOOF* (0, Troll)

grolschie (610666) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752690)

Nope. The thing about a decent firewall is that you *can* in most cases trust its security. However, the thing about Microsoft products is....

Re:*POOOF* (5, Insightful)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752730)

Not unless they up the feature set - when I looked into XP's firewall, it only blocked incoming connections, not outgoing. I use outgoing blocks as a matter of course to catch spyware, etc, and to prevent Outlook Express/MSNIM from fetching images/ads from web servers, etc. I was looking at the XP firewall for my laptop, because Kerio made my laptop's suspend/sleep functions stop working (grrr) so had to find an alternative. As it turned out, I tried Norton Personal Firewall, which was actually quite good, and not nearly as bad as I had feared. None of them are particularly great at config UI though. Norton especially requires a lot of clicks to set rules up.

It's just occurred to me that maybe MS don't want to implement an outgoing firewall, given that the number of Windows components that randomly connect to MS servers is quite high, and it would highlight this fact if they did outgoing connection blocking. Hmm.

Re:*POOOF* (1)

KiwiRed (598427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752797)

Well, when you consider the number of ways in which XP expects to (and in many cases, i'm sure, does) connect to Microsoft servers [hevanet.com] , you may come to think that this may just be some crass attempt to do something it's users have said they don't want to have to install/configure themselves. They already have any number of ways in which they could, if they wished, piggyback data between XP and their servers via legitimate connections. But you can trust Microsoft, right?

Re:*POOOF* (4, Insightful)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752741)

Was that the sound of the personal firewall market dying?

To take an objective perspective, firewalls seem best if they are part of the operating system, not wedged in, but I'm surprised they aren't taking the licensing path that they chose with CD burning and disk defragmenting (both are not written by Microsoft and licensed). The XP firewall, however, does lack outgoing connection control, which shouldn't be enabled by default but should be an option (how hard is it to use the same engine for outgoing connections too?).

Re:*POOOF* (5, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752826)

Taking a hit maybe, but not dying (at least not to the power user). Here are some of the features I get from my Windows personal firewall of choice (Agnitum's [agnitum.com] Outpost Pro) that are not offered by ICF:
  • Outgoing connection filtering
  • Application checksumming (with MD5)
  • Protocol level mail attachment scanning
  • *Really* detailed logging
  • Pop-up ad blocking (OK, this is going to be in IE but is off by default)
  • Banner ad blocking (not in SP2 IE at all as far as I can see)
  • Cookie control
  • Policies for pop-ups, scripting, ActiveX and so on handled on a per-site basis
And the list goes on... This is not the first time this kind of thing has happened; Microsoft used to bundle an Anti-virus product with DOS and Windows, and that didn't kill the market. It still does bundle a disk defragmenter, yet Diskeeper [diskeeper.com] seems to be be doing just fine.

Firewall (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752638)

I hope that firewall let's in other video streams than Windows Media.

Re:Firewall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752671)

The firewall stops your file sharing in the Windows Network Neighborhood. And that enabled by default? Thats just stupid!

Re:Firewall (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752793)

No it doesn't, it only allows file and printer sharing within the Windows Network Neighbourhood. And that's enabled by default.

Read more carefully next time.

CD-Key hacks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752642)

I wouldn't be surprised is SP2 kills a lot of illegal installations, just like SP1. I've hereby delegated to myself the taking of bets on how long it will take until there are CD-Key hacks on the net.

I've taken 30 min for myself. Anyone else?

Re:CD-Key hacks (1)

ScribeOfTheNile (694546) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752792)

I wouldn't be surprised if the SP leaked, and cracks being available before the SP is actually released.

Just another angry Linux zealot post... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752647)

Thanks again for the .doc format.

Why not put such documents in a more Portable Document Format? Even assuming I have Word Reader or Openoffice, why on earth would you dissemante information via a word processor document format?

Re:Just another angry Linux zealot post... (3, Interesting)

tx_kanuck (667833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752664)

It is kind of strange that they would make it hard for non-Windows admins to read this. You would think they would want non-customers to read this, even if for the market exposure.... hmmmmm. I guess they *can* release something w/o their marketing dept. rewriting it.

Re:Just another angry Linux zealot post... (1, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752693)

Unfortunately, Microsoft hasn't designed a presentational format for documents (not counting PowerPoint as it's more for slideshows).

Until they design their own proprietary closed-source format I think we'll have to live with DOC.

Re:Just another angry Linux zealot post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752755)

Hey isn't this Slashdot? No PDFs, HTML only! :)

So you can easily change it (1)

anti-NAT (709310) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752766)

and then spread it around as though it was a legitimate document.

Undocumented Security fixes? (5, Interesting)

Raindeer (104129) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752649)

I really wonder if there will be undocumented securityfixes included in this Service Pack. I recently heard a director of Microsoft say that when Microsoft finds a security vulnerability, they don't disclose it, but just fixed it in a service pack. I hope I misinterpreted him, but it makes me wonder if a pre SP build of some Microsoft products might have something under the hood for bad guys to use.

Re:Undocumented Security fixes? (1)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752661)

it makes me wonder if a pre SP build of some Microsoft products might have something under the hood for bad guys to use.

Naaaaahh

Re:Undocumented Security fixes? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752717)

I dunno what the undocumented security fixes and fixes to social engineering exploits will be, but there were quite a lot of documented fixes, at least for being Microsoft. :-) Actually, most of that 70+ page document details security fixes.

corepirate nazi felons' lameNT: please buy stuff (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752683)

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Processor support for NX flag, performance impact? (4, Interesting)

Alereon (660683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752687)

The 32-bit version of Windows currently leverages the "no-execute page protections" processor feature as defined by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). This processor feature requires that the processor run in Physical Address Extension (PAE) mode.

Although the only processor families with Windows-compatible hardware support for execution protection that are currently shipping are the AMD K8 and the Intel Itanium processor families, it is expected that future 32-bit and 64-bit processors will provide execution protection.

This sounds nifty, too bad x86 CPUs don't support it (barring AMD's x86-64 offerings). However, doesn't PAE mode result in significant I/O performance degradation?

Re:Processor support for NX flag (2, Interesting)

zbaron (649094) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752818)

Way back in my Comp Sci days, I could have sworn that when a 386 (and to some extent a 286) was running in protected mode, different areas of memory could be marked as 'code' for execution and for 'data' that could not be executed. Trying to read or write to the code area, or execute a data area would result in exceptions. It was many years ago though ...

I could not resist... (5, Funny)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752689)

Executio Protection

Old man Saddam could use feature that right about now.

I did RTFDoc (-1, Offtopic)

dcordeiro (703625) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752696)

and let me tell you that I really loved their ideas on "safer e-mail". Anyone sees that they already applied this tecnic on microsoft, because the e-mail containing the detailed information for this topic never reached the author:

Safer E-mail Handling Technologies
This content is not available in this preliminary release.

Go figure :P

How Microsoft thinks about security, in a nutshell (2, Insightful)

ChangeOnInstall (589099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752697)

In earlier versions of Windows, there is a window of time between when the network stack was running and when ICF provides protection. This results in the ability for a packet to be received and delivered to a service without ICF filtering and potentially exposes the computer to vulnerabilities. This was due to the firewall driver not starting to filter until the firewall service was loaded and had applied appropriate policy. The firewall service has a number of dependencies which causes the service to wait until those dependencies are cleared before it pushes the policy down to the driver. This time period is based upon the speed of the computer.

What bugs me about this is that it strikes me as a problem that was well known about when the developers were writing the original code for ICF. They knew about it, and they didn't do shit about it.

Internet Explorer Add-on Crash Detection (0, Interesting)

Red Pointy Tail (127601) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752706)

I *really* like this:

Whenever Internet Explorer crashes, the Add-on Crash Detection program is launched. Add-on Crash Detection is an error analysis program that examines the state of the Iexplore.exe (Internet Explorer) process. It collects the list of dynamic link libraries (DLLs) that are loaded, and the value of the instruction pointer register (EIP) at the time of the crash. Add-on Crash Detection then attempts to find the DLL whose memory range the EIP lies within. This DLL is often the cause of the crash.


So instead of finding the source(s) of the crashes and fixing it, they have apparently given up on that, but now run an add-on to detect the crash and attempt to clean up after that. Way to go, M$!! ;)

Um, no (4, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752724)

I know you really hate Microsoft, but even the most zealotous zealot has to admit that they can't be held responsible when a third-party plugin causes IE to crash (it would do the exact same thing to Mozilla).

This feature is a great idea, it means that if, for example, Acrobat Reader is causing IE to crash then at least I know who is to blame and can uninstall or upgrade it.

Re:Internet Explorer Add-on Crash Detection (2, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752734)

This detection has nothing to do with the error reporting feature already in Windows XP. It's just designed to better handle crashes in 3rd party software attached to IE.

Re:Internet Explorer Add-on Crash Detection (5, Insightful)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752740)

Bleh, troll, or did you just skim the file? Either way. . . .

What this new feature does (and it IS rather nifty) is detects which piece of spyware loaded up with IE is causing crashes, and lets the user disable said spyware.

Nice actually. ^_^

Re:Internet Explorer Add-on Crash Detection (2, Insightful)

KiwiRed (598427) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752815)

Considering the complexity of modern spyware, does anyone else think there's a good possibility that disabling said spyware won't be that easy?

mozilla (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752720)

my popup blocker is Mozilla.

Improve ICS DHCP ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752722)

What I'm hoping is that this will improve ICS DHCP, which is very primitive at present (it absolutely has to be at IP 192.168.0.1, and you can't hardly set any of the info passed out by it).

I saw the XPSP2 document handed out at the LA PDC, and it said there would be unspecified improvements in ICS, as I recall, but I don't recall exactly.

Anyone know a better solution than ICS to do NAT in XP ? (Eg, ipchains -- haha.)

Wow. (4, Informative)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752742)

I just read through that thing - there are a lot of good fixes in there. For one, they've apparently made a lot of changes to IE that will make it less of a pain in the ass to use. Some major changes to popup windows in general - they're making it much harder to trick users with popups.

They also seem to have made a lot of changes to the firewalling stuff - firewalling is on by default, too. They also made it so that the File Sharing and Networking ports only work in the local subnet -this means people won't be able to hit you with Windows Messenger spams from the 'net anymore, or access your RPC ports... good stuff.

Maybe, just maybe, MS will eventually get security right. This Service Pack appears to be a sizable step in the right direction.

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

Deleriux (709637) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752820)

I second that, theres some preliminary sandboxing features to I.E too. This doesnt mean ill switch to windows at all, and after this is been released lots of gamers will find some of their more legacy type games not working which will be a headache for the next year. Other than that the headaches versus the fixes mean it will be worth the download. Very pleased with M$ for this. Have to add a conspiricy theory though.. with all these new features and extra functionality (thats not like MS) there will probably be a trade in. Anyone hear the death humm of DRM calling?

Re:Wow. (0, Redundant)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752830)

For one, they've apparently made a lot of changes to IE that will make it less of a pain in the ass to use. Some major changes to popup windows in general - they're making it much harder to trick users with popups.

Why don't they just block popups, like everybody else does? I'm not usually one to go for conspiracy theories, but as time goes on, the only explanation that makes sense for why MS doesn't provide popup blocking is that they're in bed with advertisers. Or maybe it's just a case of "we're a monopoly, we don't give a shit"? But seriously, every user out there would like popup blocking, so why don't they add it? Or did they put it in when I wasn't looking?

Reminds me of (0, Offtopic)

gily (733796) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752758)

This story reminds me of Saddam Hussein's sons who didn't have what to do with their money. They lit cigarettes with $100 bils.

No Execute on Linux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752759)

...there will be new support for something called "Execution Protection" which allows developers to make use of the NX (no execute) page guard flag on Intel's Itanium and newer AMD processors.

Hopefully this will create some political impetus for Linux to support this too... and hopefully not only on ia-64 and xp-64, but also on x86 and ppc, by adopting and perfecting one or more of various patches that accomplish this (to various extents) and have been around for a while.

i wish... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752760)

... open source developers would do that clear, easy to read and well stylished in-depth documentations.

MSFW / MSFWE / MSFF - Request (-1, Troll)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752762)

Let's steer back to news for nerds / stuff that matters.

For the holidays, could we please have a MS free week, weekend or at least just a MS free friday? i.e. no articles or press releases about the lastest vaporware, thneed, fud or spin, inlcuding news relays via MS-owned sources like slate, msn, msnbc, msnpr, newseek, etc. It seems every day there is a shameless, uneccesary plug or two. Now that international investors have divested and even their own emloyees have offloaded [nwsource.com] it is as irrelevant to the stock market as it is for the IT sector.

Re:MSFW / MSFWE / MSFF - Request (5, Funny)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752812)

Preferences->Homepage->exclude stories->Microsoft.

I'm sure an enterprising geek could write a script to do that for them. You could even cron job it to give MS free days/weeks.

Lets check the prices... oh shit! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752781)

I like my beer free and my chicks hot.

Will it run on... (0, Funny)

OPTiX_iNC (691070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752799)

a p1 133?
No?
Well, I guess I stay with linux.

You Insensitive clod... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752813)

...I can only dream of a p1-133 while I type on this 486-33. Thanks a lot.

Meh (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7752808)

All of the things listed in the patch that are suppose to help security, such as the firewall, are useless. Why, you ask? Because Dell, HP, Compaq, whoever, they don't ship pre-patched like they should. Why doesn't Microsoft get off their fat ass and require that computer manf. patch with SP2? HMMM? Insert a freaking update CD into the box, setup a 1-800 number that the Windows installer contacts to get the latest updates. There's a ton of things Microsoft COULD do, patching isn't enough.

Rant over.

Fortress of Insanity [homeunix.org]

Like, what? (0, Offtopic)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752817)

Like, yeah, I was like, downloading this doc file, and like, I opened it in wordpad, and like, it was like beep beep beep, and it was gone. It was a really good doc file. I like, bought a mac? And now, I don't even need to read the doc file, because, like, who cares about windows anyway?

...where is tabbed browsing? (4, Insightful)

BaconLT (555713) | more than 10 years ago | (#7752829)

Conspicuously absent: tabbed browsing. It's a simple and popular feature and it surprises me they didn't include it. Psst-Bill, you can just borrow the code from one of the many open sources that already have it, then brag about how you invented it!

Now, that's marketing.

As an aside, when is Windows going to include multiple desktops in their shell? I've used a number of third party pagers, but each has its drawbacks and flaws, probably because it's not written with the privilage of truly understanding the Windows code.

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