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Best friend (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772902)

Alan Cox is going on sabbatical so he can spend more time with his best friend: Alan's Cock.

and you are a dirty Jew.... go die (-1, Flamebait)

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Re:and you are a dirty Jew.... go die (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773094)

fuck off, loser

Re:and you are a dirty Jew.... go die (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773157)

shut up jeuden

Geeks in management? (3, Insightful)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772910)

The brains of the company should be in the cube farm, not the board room.

Re:Geeks in management? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772938)

Surely the brains of the company should be everywhere? Techheads that understand marketing/sales/strategy are important, as are executives that appreciate engineering - otherwise you get a silo mentality in your company where marketing overcommits and blames the programmers, and where the engineers just want to play and find the customer a distraction.

Re:Geeks in management? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772939)

The brains of the company are in the cube farm, not the board room.

The brains of the company should be in the cube farm and the board room.

Re:Geeks in management? (5, Insightful)

rcarovano (529861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772958)

Based upon my experience, I would disagree. As someone with both EE and MBA degrees, my observation is that you need brains in all areas within a company. By brains, I mean more than know-how, but also the willingness and capability to do the right things right. An organization necessarily exists because one person can't do it all, thus brains are required in all functions. Just my humble opinion--would like to entertain other's thoughts and experience as well.

Re:Geeks in management? (1)

jgmcbride (654206) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773303)

As someone with both an MSc and MBA I would also agree. A warm body with a brain is a very precious commodity!!!!

Re:Geeks in management? (4, Insightful)

mentatchris (585868) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773124)

This just has to be wrong. I've seen many a project bloat because my fellow coders have no sense of economics and think something will be fun to work on. I think it is good that everyone has the idea that the reason we get paychecks and can support our wives and kids is because as a whole the company adds value by selling things for more than they cost us. This entrepreneurial spirit might be something that helps differentiate small companies from big ones. I saw in software developer magazine that the MBA is growing as a choice of graduate degree for developers. I think this is a good thing... in a lot of ways, the software industry is inefficient. Having a bit more of an idea about the goals and costs and strategies that other industries have used is a good thing for all of us.

Who is Allen Cocks? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772914)

Who is Allen Cocks?Who is Allen Cocks?

who now (4, Insightful)

Syncroswitch (656450) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772915)

Time for a new slashdot poll..

Who would you like to see (temporarily) fill cox's position.

Re:who now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772959)

I've always wanted to fill Courtney Cox's position.

Re:who now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772980)

Correction, you just wanted to feel Courtney's Cox.

Re:who now (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773339)

What I think is quite good is that he takes care of other issues such as software patents. Economists are opposed to it, but politicians believe in the lawyers who sell their broken innovation tool. The patent system of today reminds me of Mao: He ordered to make steel in each village, of course steel may be important for industrialisation, but an non-efficient patent system does not make sense, esp. when extended to areas where patents are not common usage.

yes (-1, Troll)

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Check out that picture! (4, Funny)

s20451 (410424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772921)

Look at the picture and ask yourself: Can you see this man as a CEO? Would you even buy a used car from this man?

Yes, yes, I know, the man is brilliant. But what I don't understand is: if geeks are so smart, why can't they realize that appearance counts in the business world?

Re:Check out that picture! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772942)

Look at the picture and ask yourself: Can you see this man as a CEO? Would you even buy a used car from this man?

Nope. And have you seen his wife or girlfriend or whoever the hell it is that translates that Welsh shit on his blog to English in her own words? Hideous! Don't the English ever hear of dentists for craps sake?

Re:Check out that picture! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772961)

Don't the English ever hear of dentists for craps sake?

Well, yes they do, but with her being Welsh, what would that matter?

We have, however, heard of grammar.

Re:Check out that picture! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772994)

Well, yes they do, but with her being Welsh, what would that matter?

Welsh, English, what's the difference. You're all fucking limeys.

Fucking socialized medicine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773005)

What, doesn't the UK national health care plan cover dentistry? Bleah.

Re:Check out that picture! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773104)

maybe it doesn't win the pragmatics award, but the only mistake I see is the missing apostrophe in "craps". go suck a horsecock

Re:Check out that picture! (1)

MolecularBear (469572) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772944)

Well, he is in college right now. So it's okay for him to look like he just stepped off the set of Easy Rider...

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772962)

Don't kid yourself. Dennis Hopper would have burned the script if this guy walked on the set.

Re:Check out that picture! (4, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772956)

But what I don't understand is: if geeks are so smart, why can't they realize that appearance counts in the business world?

You don't understand : if you take a smelly unkept geek, strategically shave him and place him into a suit, you won't end up someone with a good appearance, you'll just end up with a clean geek in a suit.

Geekiness is not about looks, it's an attitude. I personally know a lot of clean 3-piece suited geeks, as well as female geeks, one of which is a stay-at-home mom who previously had a brilliant career in the perfume industry, and I guarantee you if you don't know them and you put them behind an IRC client, you'll imagine them as Alan Coxes or Richard Stallmans.

There's a je-ne-sais-quoi that makes a geek a geek regardless of his/her outside appearances.

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773014)

You don't understand : if you take a smelly unkept geek, strategically shave him and place him into a suit, you won't end up someone with a good appearance, you'll just end up with a clean geek in a suit.

Maybe he should've phrased that "If Alan Cox is so smart, why can't he realize that appearance counts in the business world."

You'd be suprised how shocked executives can get when some anti-Linux person in your workplace drags up the St. Gnucious picture of that filthy raggedy Stallman dressed up in a damn robe and says "This is the leader of the free software movement... do you really wnat to entrust your money to them?". That was right before they shitcanned my Linux installations and bought Windows 2003 Server instead. Thanks John you fucking piece of shit.

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773247)

So you counter with the story in "Hard Drive" about the Gates photo shoot where he had holes and sweat stains in his shirt. Or you whip out the "Monkey Boy" video that's been going around.

Or you do nothing, because you're an astroturfer, right?

Your Sig: Door into Summer (1)

MACC (21597) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773044)

>> "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash"
corollary: "at the dogside might be Summer" adapted from Heinlein

Blackadder Reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773072)

Here's the full "strategically shaved" Black Adder referece [slashdot.org]

Hannah: One voter, 16,472 votes -- a slight anomaly...?

Blackadder: Not really, Mr. Hannah. You see, Baldrick may look like a monkey who's been put in a suit and then strategically shaved, but he is a brillant politician. The number of votes I cast is simply a reflection of how firmly I believe in his policies.

Geek-to-Suit Program (5, Insightful)

spamhog (705867) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773115)

>> There's a je-ne-sais-quoi that makes
>> a geek a geek regardless of his/her
>> outside appearances.

The likelyhood of a besuited geek showing his geekiness to a hardcore suit on IRC is a big fat 0.

I am a part-time suit, and we're explicitly taught to act somewhat superficial and semi-moronic because in most settings this IS the most effective long-term way to extract the best out of fellow humans.

In a way, a suit is complementary to a semi-Asperger type, with a focus switched away from the mechanics of things, and into the mechanics of humans. Not surprising that most suits come across as semi-moronic. They are, just not in the same way as geeks.

If you want to "fool" a suit, or at least not to antagonize hir, it's actually quite easy to pretend you're one, and also eventually to become one. Gates did it very effectively for almost 20 years, even if some claim he's a mild Asperger.

The opposite (suit->geek) is nary impossible, as it involves a lot more cerebral hardwiring that has to be developed over the years, preferably from a tender age.

I thoroughly applaud Alan's choice to get an MBA. An MBA'ed second-in-command in the Linux camp can't but help.

Think of this: Who will dare accuse a masterized AC of being a communist, anti-business, anti-western, anti-American, anti-copyright, or a child eater for that matter?

Adopting a radical hair control policy might be a good idea. Steve Jobs did that when it became necessary to attract capital from Republican-leaning sources. But he wasn't that famous at the time.

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773130)

> You don't understand : if you take a smelly unkept geek, strategically shave him and place him into a suit, you won't end up someone with a good appearance, you'll just end up with a clean geek in a suit.

(pauses to wipe coffee off monitor)

BASTARD!

If geekiness is an attitude, is the reverse true? (1)

prakslash (681585) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773193)

Geekiness is not about looks, it's an attiitude. If you take a smelly unkept geek, shave him and place him into a suit, you won't end up someone with a good appearance, you'll just end up with a clean geek in a suit.

I always wondered if the reverse is true, i.e., if you put a non-geek, alpha-leader type in stained geek clothes with unkempt hair, will their "jockness" still shine through?

Will people disregrad such a person as a geek or will they soon come to respect such a person because of the attitiude?

Re:Check out that picture! (2, Funny)

cuiousyellow (89995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772960)

Indeed -- I'm reminded of the saturday night live skit interview with the unabomber police sketch artist.

Interviewer: "It seems that you always draw the sketches of suspects wearing aviator sunglasses?"

Artist: "Yeah, uhm, I've never been very good with eyes".

Interviewer: "...and the hat?"

Artist: "Uhm, yeah... not too good with hair either."

My personal opinion (4, Insightful)

psxndc (105904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772976)

The reason for me is because I believe looks shouldn't matter. They always will, and that is unfortunate, but it will never shake the tenant from my mind that "if they can do the job, it doesn't matter what they look like." But that's a geek's perspective. Taller people will always make more money and attractive people will always get raises first because often geeks aren't making those decisions. It sucks, but that's the way it is. We can only try to improve the situation by not acquiescing and being who we are. We don't have to be obnoxious about it, but hope springs eternal that someday people will accept someone for who they are and what they can accomplish instead of the product they use in their hair or the name on the inside of their blazer. *shrug*

psxndc

Re:My personal opinion (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773063)

Taller people will always make more money

That's not always just an arbitrary decision. Taller (men) are promoted to leadership roles because it's usually in the best interests of the group.

Tall men are usually more (overly) confident in their abilities and less likely to have a *chip* on their shoulders or the ambition to *prove* themselves to make up for a feeling of inadequacy that short men might have developed.

They're usually lazier and more likely to delegate tasks and, in turn, others (short women) are more likely to want to provide for them. It turns out that that's exactly the behaviour you'd want from a leader.

Short men, otoh, usually take a more hands-on, dictatorial leadership style. That never works.

Take famous tyrants, like Napoleon, Stalin, Bush II, and Kim-Jong Il. They're all midgets. You'd never know it, though, because every one of them went to absurd lengths to make themselves appear taller. Kim-Jong Il wears platform shoes and has that bouffant hairdo. Do you ever recall seeing any pictures or footage of Stalin *standing* up next to anyone? In most of the WWII meetings, he was sitting next to FDR and Churchill, but his feet weren't touching the ground. In other footage, he was always looking down on a crowd, standing behind a railing that concealed his lower body. Remember the footage of Bush shaking Aahnold's hand? I bet it didn't look odd if you didn't notice that Bush was standing on a platform and Arnold wasn't.

Re:My personal opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773145)

Being a tall man I must say I agree with everything you have said.

Re:My personal opinion (0)

stubear (130454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773182)

Nice attempt to classify George Bush Jr. along with some of history's most despotic tyrants. However you failed to even check into his height with is 5'11", average height for a male and since he runs he's also in good shape. Aahnold is 6'2" so it would seem that he does tower a bit over the President though I doubt any platform the President may or may not have been on would have been that tall (no more than 3" is my math is correct). Whatever you may think of Bush's politics, he is not in the same class of person as the others you mention and any attempt to portray him as such only serves to show you for the uneducated moron you truly are.

Re:My personal opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773196)

If George Bush lived in Russia or North Korea he would be a tyrant just like them. Look how he acts despotically without regard for international law. Luckily the US has a strong rule of law and he isn't allowed to set up prison camps, oh wait, he did set up guantanamo bay camp, hmmm, well at least he can't execute people, oh wait, most black people executed by a governer in history, hmmm...oh well...

Re:My personal opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773270)

Luckily the US has a strong rule of law and he isn't allowed to set up prison camps

POW detention facilities aren't illegal. Neither are detention facilities for illegal combattants. I'm not an American and don't know US law (as well as you do...), but it's all in accord with UN/Geneva conventions.

most black people executed by a governer in history

The governors make people commit crimes, the governors make black people commit more crimes punishable by death than other ethnic groups, the governors judge them, and the governors execute them?
Amazing. You learn something new about the US on Slashdot every day.

IHBT. IHL.

Re:My personal opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773330)

but it's all in accord with UN/Geneva conventions.

Ummm, no actually it's all in complete violation of the Geneva Convention (see: despotic disregard for international law)

My retort (5, Interesting)

glpierce (731733) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773154)

Sorry, but I've never respected that attitude. It's idealistic, wasteful, and is more often rationalization than action.

Firstly, what should and shouldn't be is irrelevant in the real world. Idealistic attitudes will get you nowhere but the gutter, and if you don't like it, tough. This is a society - "social" being the same root. Your ideal situation doesn't matter, the actual happenings in the social (interpersonal) world do. I don't think looks should matter either (to an extent), but I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot and declare "if it's not the way I think it should be, I'll boycott it" with respect to society (buying CDs and software is a mainly a personal matter, so it's a different story). You're free to hold your belief, you're free to hold yourself back by clinging onto it, and we're free to not care. Sorry, but your theory will have only one immediate outcome: you will make less money, get worse jobs, and all the trickle down effects of monetary issues will follow. Cheers.

Societal change is a bigger issue than one man/woman looking like a slob; if you want it not to matter, try having intelligent discussions about it with people, and if you're put in the position to hire/fire, do your best.

Secondly, looks have to matter, but to a different extent than current. An unkempt person is a clear sign of an unkempt lifestyle; if you don't take the time to do your laundry, why would I think you'd take the time to do your job well? Throwing on whatever clothes are available suggests you'll do the minimal amount of work necessary for any task - not exactly the person I'd want working for me. Being tall you can't control - that shouldn't matter. If you are willing to invest the energy and time to stay/get in good shape to improve your health (and appearance), it suggests that you're also likely to go beyond the call of duty to present a nice finished product at your job. Your appearance is the simplest reflection of your mind; it's the easiest thing to see when meeting someone, and can tell a lot (though for the most part only negatives). Most people can dress nicely, but very few are willing to look like a slob. Take your pick, but don't blame society when you really just need a haircut.

In my experience (including my own history), the whole 'society shouldn't care so I'll just do my own thing' stance is usually just rationalization. It's an easy way to make your own laziness or hatred of fashion into a righteous crusade. That may not be the case for you, but it is for many (most commonly seen in the goth/punk communities today). It's no surprise that there are far fewer punks/goths/etc over the age of 25 than under. People mature, and when they do, they realize that they're only hurting themselves by shunning societal norms.

(I'm not pointing the finger at you, psxndc, so don't take it personally.)

Re:My retort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773371)

It all depends. Do you want open-minded creative people around you or people who are tight-assed about their standards?

Looking awful will exclude the latter set so you're left with the former.

My counter retort (4, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773385)

If you don't take the time to do your laundry, why would I think you'd take the time to do your job well?

If you have a bunch of free time to do laundry, you must not stay late or go to work early.

Throwing on whatever clothes are available suggests you'll do the minimal amount of work necessary for any task - not exactly the person I'd want working for me.

Spending all that time and money on cloths means you'll be more worried about damaging your clothes than in getting the job done. If I wanted a model, I'd have advertised for one.

That said, there is some room to compromize. Showing up for a meeting sporting long hair pulled back and braided (on a man) can be a show of confidence and authority. Grooming shows that there is care, non-comformity shows that the person is certain that their contribution will speak for itself (better be able to back that up, or it won't work). At other times, merely decent-ish grooming can be OK. It can project that there is a lot of work being done and no time for niceties.

The real key is knowing the difference.

Personally, I never wear a suit. The only image I project in a suit is that I'm not comfortable. In business casual, I tend to project a much more credible image.

For day to day work, I tend to be more casual. The impressions have been made and now I'm there to WORK, since I'm not an actor, I don't need a costume.

AC or RMS's appearance is likely appropriate to what they are doing. RMS is not running a company and meeting with investors, he is encouraging programmers and sysadmins to support free software. AC was leading a kernel dev team, and is now going to school. Presumably, should he decide to use his MBA later, his appearance will change to suit the occasion.

I suppose I'm not exactly agreeing or disagreeing with you, just putting things in context.

About the picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773025)

Here's what you need to know:

Number of Alan Cox's SOs: 1

Number of Slashdot Poster SOs: 0

Next...

Re:About the picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773281)

Number of Alan Cox's SOs: 1

No, that number is about 25000.
His lice, his penis, ESR and RMS.

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

petardi (624775) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773068)

What kind of appearance (lineage, language...) is acceptable changes over time. People like him make that change possible. And that's a good thing.

If Carly is free to wear pants, then Alan should be free to wear a fedora.

Re:Check out that picture! (0)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773079)

Well, i think it's because we just don't care about business, as long as we can eat and buy the important stuff [mostly technology], we are just fine. Of curse everyone wants money, and it's not a bad thing, money can translate into lots of good things, as long as money doesn't cost more than what it gives to you. If money will cost you your personality, and has to be dressed up like someone you aren't, then i don't want money. I work for a Hosting Company here in Argentina, i just get to work late [beetween 9:30 - 10:00], with old shoes, an Iron Maiden t-shirt, i haven't cut my hair or bear for about 6 months, and many times i come to work knowing that i haven't even had a bath in a 7 days because i am spending day and night in front of emacs and gdb. But my boss know that i fix what needs to be fixed on time, and develop what needs to be developed, well, the last one never on time : ). There are different Roles in life. There are people that was born to rule and have money, and there are others, like we are, that just were born to be happy.

Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772922)

And /.'ers are worried about privacy? Who the hell needs Echelon anymore when we have Slashdot to chronicle the vacations of geek heros.

What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse?

Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772952)

if they had the cash probally join him. you forget most of us are lonely.

Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article (5, Funny)

smoking2000 (611012) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772968)

What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse?

Be jealous, sigh, and compile the laterst 2.6 kernel?

Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article (1)

rylin (688457) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773168)

Post an article about Alan Cox working on getting his MBA?

Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772972)

Considering half the Slashdotters are unemployed coders, I'd suspect they'd have been some of the whores. Even sadder than that is they would have done the work pro bono in hopes for a tryst with the man.

I can't believe I even typed this.

Re:Alan Cox goes on sabbatical and gets /. article (2, Funny)

reignbow (699038) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772990)

What the hell would /. do if Linus spent an evening partying in a whorehouse? Easy. Do a slashdotting on the whorehouse's website.

Slashdot Personals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772941)

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linux kiddies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772943)

second only to linus.. ok.
second only to open source... NO..

open source != linux

I cant stand people that think that is true.
In fact, Alan should stay at college and discontinue all work with the Linux kernel, since Linux is going no where.

It has done nothing of importance.

OpenBSD is known for its security innovations.
FreeBSD is known for its speed and great TCP/IP stack.
NetBSD is known for portability.
Solaris is known for a great stable OS for mega-servers.

Linux is a kids toy.

How is this important? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772947)

Honestly, who gives a crap?

Is Slashdot going to start making articles now whenever Alan/Linus/RMS/Bruce make a bowel movement?

Re:How is this important? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772995)

>> Honestly, who gives a crap?

Actually I found this story quite fascinating. Not because I am interested in any of their personal stories or habits(which I am not), but it shows how versatile he is. He was (and is) an exceptionally talented and focused programmer. And now he is successfully doing something which is usually at the other end of the spectrum. Usually geeks have absolute despise for management. And he seems to be an exception in these cases.

Re:How is this important? (0, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772997)

Is Slashdot going to start making articles now whenever Alan/Linus/RMS/Bruce make a bowel movement?

In other news : Linus Torvalds died in a terrible accident under the Alma Bridge Tunnel in Paris. The Ritz Hotel's driver, who was alledgedly inebriated, was driving Linus' Mercedes exceedingly fast to try to evade several Sun and other trash newspaper reporters. The paparazzi were chasing the fast luxury car to get a photo of Linus in Alan Cox's arms, after rumors of a new affair between the two Unix kernel clone superstars. Previously, Linus had repeatedly said that fame and attention were "very tiring". This tragic accident poses the question of the reponsability of the press when covering the life of stars and famous people.

OOH OOH ooh (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772955)

In other news, this morning Linus woke up at 6:30, showered and shaved, and had a bowl of grape nuts cereal for breakfast, after which he had his morning coffee and drove off to work.

Re:OOH OOH ooh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773040)

at which point he discovered it's a Saturday..

Other Info on Herr Cox (5, Interesting)

cluge (114877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7772974)

Alan Cox did a lot of work on the "Alpha Linux" stuff for redhat. He always seemed to have the answers when those of us that used Alpha based machines ran into problems. His "online diary" can be found at http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/ [linux.org.uk] and when he was deeply involved in the kernel, I used to read it constantly because the stuff he was working on was the stuff that interested me. This interview just confirms one thing for me. I owe him a great big Thank You, his help to Linux over the years has been invaluable. Should I ever meet Alan, he's going to get a beer on me.

AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]

Re:Other Info on Herr Cox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7772985)

Only girls, and fags keep diaries, and Alan is not a fag.

Linux? Not if you want to keep your sanity. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773000)

"Why I changed to OpenBSD"
or...
"Why I spent the last four days drinking Red Bull, swearing at my laptop and pulling my hair out"

Right, so, I've got this Compaq Evo N600c Laptop right? Yes. Now, I thought, hmmm, wouldn't it be nice to run Linux on my laptop? Yes. So, off I went, happily researching, downloading, reading docs, reading more docs, browsing newsgroups and forums, making notes of conflicting opinions regarding APIC, ACPI etc etc

It comes to crunch time. Let's get ready to install Linux! Bear in mind that I already use Gentoo 1.4 on my A7N8X-DLX (NForce2) board, I was all set to run it on my laptop too. (I'm not even going to go there with the problems I had with that one).

So off I go and install Gentoo on my laptop. No problems. ReiserFS, freshest Kernel 2.6.0 straight off of kernel.org - all is well. Then I get to X. I want to use either the nipple mouse and/or synaptics touchpad. NOT A CHANCE. After fucking about with boot options, BIOS settings, compiling the kernel with the necessary support enabled, downloading/compiling/installing the Synaptics stuff from that telia.com site, 60 million different XF86Configs and reading nearly every single gentoo forum posting about "synaptics", I'm pissed off. No, seriously fucking annoyed.

Linux is great. Don't get me wrong. But why oh fucking why is there so much effort put into supporting archaic Gravis Gamepads, outdated SCSI boards and shit like that when a common, modern laptop accessory takes a Herculean feat of brain power and mental strain to get working? X works, the mouse doesn't. Yippie Kai Ay.

So, I thought to myself "I use OpenBSD on the Mini-ITX firewall, I'll give that a go. Never used it as a desktop, but WTF. It deserves a shot". So, a nice breezy install of OpenBSD 3.4 later, and I "startx". Jesus. Holy Crap. THE TOUCHPAD WOKRS!!!!! For all the "emerge"ing, fiddling and reading that I did, it is all blown away with a wonderous result on OpenBSD.

So, to sum up, my experience with installing OSS on laptops has been this: "If you don't want to frustrate yourself into an early grave, boot> OpenBSD"

Re:Linux? Not if you want to keep your sanity. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773111)

I've got this Compaq Evo N600c Laptop

That was your first mistake there, pal!

BSD Top 10 Issues (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773177)

1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.

Re:Linux? Not if you want to keep your sanity. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773259)

It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Fresh Shit : Welcome to Freshshit.net (-1, Troll)

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Who the fuck writes this tripe? (2, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773010)

"A kernel hacker in the employ of Red Hat and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati"

First off, he's not a kernel hacker. He's a kernel developer. I'd like to think the changes he makes are well thought out [to the extent possible].

Second, Linux Torvalds is by far not the largest OSS contributor in the world. First off, there are 100s of Kernel developers. Second, what of all the userland and development tools required to build the fucking kernel in the first place? Did those just pop out of the wind?

Sure Linus has contributed a huge gift to the OSS community but it isn't like OSS wouldn't exist without him. For starters, the GNU organization pre-dates Linux by quite a while.

Whoever wrote the article should do some fucking research first and less idol worshiping.

Tom

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773033)

You stupid fucking clown - a 'hacker' is here being used in the uber-programmer sense.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773036)

Alan Cox is not programmer, he's a developer. There is a difference and anyone who is not in week 2 of their 3 week devry courses will know that.

Loser.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773240)

Who modded this crap up?

Alan Cox is a great programmer and has done awesome things for the Linux Kernel.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773242)

No there fucking isn't, mister high and mighty. Stick somebody in a classroom for a month and they think they know it all. Retard.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (3, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773283)

That sounds like someone who isn't responsible for working code speaking...

A developer plans, organizes, designs and makes sure that the end product meets specifications [e.g. on time, within budget and does what the requirements state].

A programmer [or hacker] takes a problem and writes code to solve it. They're not responsible for the bigger picture and they certainly don't control the design or requirements.

Think of a developer as an engineer/architect and a programmer as a construction crew worker. They're both skilled people in their own respects just one position is a tad more academic than the other.

I'd trust an architect or engineer more to design my house than I would a carpenter or welder. Just like I'd trust a software developer more to engineer a system to fulfill my requirements more than I would a programmer who only thinks about the coding aspect and nothing else.

And if still don't think I have a valid point look at the # of dormant OSS libraries out there that mirror functionality. They were all written by programmers who saw an immediate problem and churned out the code to solve it [or at least partly solve it]. A true developer would have made a quality library [or improved an existing one] followed specs to the "T" and produced a library others would use instead of inventing their own...

tom

Tom

Alan Cox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773306)

Alan Cox writes code, you idiot

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773313)

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Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773251)

Tom, are you by any chance related to maddox?

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (5, Insightful)

Effugas (2378) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773043)

Tom--

Alan's pulled off some gnarly stunts with the 2.2ac series; some definite hackworhty brilliance. Remember, hacker isn't a prejorative, any more than soldier is. I do understand the distinction you're trying to make, but it's pretty likely that Alan would call himself a kernel hacker.

I should point out they weren't talking about lines of code as much as public respect. Who's the lead coders of Samba? I know Tridge and Jeremy, but most don't. How bout Apache? KDE? Even if you can name them, they don't compare to Alan and Linus for not only coding so much themselves, but so successfully managing those hundreds of other kernel developers.

Yes, you need devtools to build a kernel. That doesn't make the kernel unimpressive.

It's very interesting what would have happened had Linux not shown up. I expect BSD would have forked into what Linux became. Had AT&T's lawsuit not slowed things down for years, Linux would not have happened, as BSD would have been far more mature at the appropriate time. How strange is that?

--Dan

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (2, Insightful)

corebreech (469871) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773257)

Not to take anything away from Alan Cox, but this phrase:
...and widely accepted as second only to Linus Torvalds himself in the echelons of open source illuminati...

That's just silly. If they had said Linux kernel source illuminati instead, obviously I'd agree. But all of open source? I'm sorry, that just isn't so.

I'm not even sure Linus rates #1 here... RMS has a very beefy claim to this throne too. Certainly, if there's a #1 and a #2, it's these two guys who are duking it out. Not Alan Cox.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773070)

Dude, the fact that this even appeared as a story on Slashdot should have been warning enough...

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773100)

true dat. true dat.

Tom

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773342)

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Slashdot -- People magazine for the IT world (5, Insightful)

swb (14022) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773162)

I've always found the People-magazine like fawning over the "stars" of Open Sourcedom alternately nauseating and amusing.

I'm not trying to take anything away from the accomplishments of Alan or anyone else. And there are times where features of people are worthwhile, but only when they've done or said something noteworthy. "Alan Cox went to class today" isn't one of them. "Alan Cox gets a crew cut", however, would be..

How is this insightful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773221)

How about unmitigated flamebait, bordering on falsehood?

Pot Kettle Black (MOD PARENT DOWN) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773250)

You are the one that needs to do research and less trolling.

Why the hell was this modded up? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773282)

This is the lamest troll I've read on Slashdot all day, and to think a bunch of idiots thought it was insightful baffles me even more

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773309)


Alan has always been active in the hacking culture. A solid 'developer' is going to be a well conditioned person capable of not only thinking in the box but understanding the box.

A hacker is not afraid to think outside of the box. A good hacker also understands the box. Alan is an excellent hacker.

This is also why he will make a great leader in the biz world if he decides to go that direction.

Re:Who the fuck writes this tripe? (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773363)

No matter how much you Open Sourcers want to deny it, heirchies always form in organizations of any sufficient size.

At the top is our FEARLESS LEADER, Linus Torvalds.
His right hand man, his #1, his Heir Apparent is the ever humble, Alan Cox.

Forget this, and you forget EVERYTHING!

Fewer Programming jobs? (5, Funny)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773054)

I wonder if Mr. Cox has read the article on the 235,000 Fewer Programmers by 2015. Maybe this is why he is getting an MBA?

Iechyd da! (4, Interesting)

openmtl (586918) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773083)

Alan would make a good geek in the boardroom. Good to see he's making progress in welsh even if few out of Wales can read the menus either. He did mention that when he handed over maintainance to Marcelo Tosatti two years or so back.

Supporting minority languages on our favourite Open Source OS is about accessibilty to all. Essential in multi-cultural Europe. At least 500,000 people would be interested in welsh so still a very good audience.

Cox Sabbatical (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7773084)

Even Ron Jeremy needs a rest from time to time.

I do believe Mr Cox reads these comments, (2, Interesting)

The Cydonian (603441) | more than 10 years ago | (#7773266)

or even if he doesn't, this has probably already been discussed here by now, but as a CS major who will be graduating in another few days (thank you, thank you), I have to ask:- does anyone know why he's pursuing an MBA?

I mean, the article seems to suggest that he'll jump back into kernel development and not take a management job after his MBA.

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