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Brightmail Denies "White List" Deal With Spammer

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the as-the-spam-turns dept.

Spam 226

ThePretender writes "From the InfoWorld article: 'A spammer's claim to his clients that he had an agreement with anti-spam technology vendor Brightmail to not block his traffic was contradicted by Brightmail officials today.' From the sounds of it, Scott Richter (apparently a notorious spammer) might just be looking for some media attention, he even goes as far saying he has similar agreements with some major ISPs. Ouch! May the drama unfold..."

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I EJACULATE ON HAMSTERS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7776978)

It's fun to watch them try to clean themselves after doing that.

vi rules! emacs sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7776982)

Emacs is a sorry bloated piece of shit. Anyone with half a fucking clue will use vi.

Re:vi rules! emacs sucks! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777003)

Fuck you buddy. Emacs owns your gaping ass, bitch.

Re:vi rules! emacs sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

shaitand (626655) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777317)

Fuck you both, notepad obviously has more features in a lighter package their either one!!!

Syntax highlighting? Bah, in notepad I have umm word wrap!! Wait you mean both those editors do the word wrap thing? Well can you search for text strings? you can... oh. Well can you press enter and get a blank line??? Well can ya? Oh. Well umm, gee, let's see now.

Erm well, at least notepad is the only piece of Microsoft software that hasn't had a vulnerability in the last year! Bet you can't say that about emacs or vi can ya? hah, proof that notepad is the ultimate uber text editor!

sure, I believe him (5, Funny)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 10 years ago | (#7776984)

Spammers are always honest, arn't they?

Re:sure, I believe him (-1, Troll)

u-238 (515248) | more than 10 years ago | (#7776990)

3 funny?

i hope the inventor of this moderation system has a gene for prostate cancer (and the cum chugger who makes you wait 20 seconds to post, too)

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777014)

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER
(Use a disposable account from a disposable IP before moderating this up. Editors generally watch and see who moderates controversial things like this up.)

When you are logged in, /. ties your user account to any Anonymous Coward postings you make... Thus they know who posted it. To demonstrate this:
  1. Get mod points.
  2. Post an AC comment while logged in
  3. Change your dynamic ip, clear all cookies
  4. Log back in and try to moderate your AC comment... you can't!!!

Please *log out* AND use another browser before making your AC comments.
Your UID is being tracked, it's not Anonymous. Lots of people post lots of things to Slashdot as AC only because they believe it is really anonymous - it isn't. They hunt "trolls" (non-karma whores and non-group thinking bots) down.

This is true. I used to be a bit more freestyle and witty AC and be a nice guy logged in [basically a karma whore]. After a short while, I could no longer moderate. Slashdot does brand AC posts with IP and then map them back to users. They lie about AC, AC doesn't exist if you re-use ip addresses.

Big brother is watching. So while I might be a "troll" a lot of the AC things I said were to protect myself from Slash-bot groupthink. They punished me for voicing my opinion freestyle.

They also revoke moderation FOREVER - $rtbl it is called, for any moderations of any post that have been secretly flagged annoying [Slashcode has hidden flags viewable by editors]. If you *EVER* mod up something an editor secretly marked annoying you NEVER moderate again, ever - ever even if your karma is capped.

Also, Slashdot uses the friends system to track "trolls." Mark a troll you find funny as a friend *bang* $rtbl never to moderate ever again. My real account had many many good friends who had good karma, and a few funny trolls later, no more moderation for that account. Again, Slashdot is spying on its users to make the people who find certain things funny uneligible to moderate. You will never moderate again if you are a friend of a "foe or freak" of an editor.

FACT: This is in Slashcode CVS

Revision 1.7.2.5 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Thu Feb 8 13:12:32 2001 UTC (2 years, 9 months ago) by pudge
Branch: bender
CVS Tags: v1_1_3_0
Changes since 1.7.2.4: +18 -7 lines
Diff to previous 1.7.2.4 to branchpoint 1.7

log more AC info


So AC is a scam here. Hitler-Malda screws AC posts in the caboose. So now all you can do is go 100% AC, or , as they expect you to, KARMA WHORE. And it is so lame and unfair and probably illegal as they lie about anonymity.

Also, sometimes when certain information becomes an active thread, they bitchslap the thread much later so that people think its "safe" to participate and the whole thing gets slapped.

There is a presumption anonymous means something. They lie like rugs to the posting public by using the word anonymous. It is not. They brazenly lie though and the un-assuming poster is having everything he says correlated with him and stored in a computer just waiting to be subpoenaed by the people that Slashdot claims to hate but works for. They work for the fascist forces and components of the US government. I like the US and other Western governments but they have good and bad components - there are things you need to do to protect yourself from the bad components. Basically "covering your ass" so to speak. At Slashdot, in lying about AC, un-protects its posting public (seeding a de-anonymizing privacy stripping pandemic in their own "little" way). This makes Slashdot a very dangerous target for you the posters to have your "anonymous" information subpoenaed and you to be chased down and persecuted for speaking your mind. I think that it is a joke Slashdot editors post about SCO, MSFT, RIAA, MPAA, TIA, FBI, etc. They do the same fascist big-brotherly things that those companies do the public at large as they do to the Slashdot posting public.

Protect yourself. Try and use proxies or a super good second browser with proxies that you never log into such as Opera (which makes it very easy to delete all private data). Thank you.

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777057)

Oh no! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Troll)

kevcol (3467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777086)

OMIGOD! Does this mean they know about my shitty grades in high school? File this topic away in 'Who gives a flying fuck?'

(yes, this is offtopic- feel free to mark down.)

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777123)

Paranoia feeding Slashdot gets bit by the paranoia it generated!

They both must be right, would either one lie? (3, Interesting)

0mni (734493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777083)

Corporate officials are not all the much more trustworthy, unless I see hard evidence either way this becomes a mute point. All goes down too who you trust more, companies out to get your money or individuals out to get your money. Best way to stop them getting it is to not have any money, which is working out just fine for me.

Touchy, aren't they? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7776987)

From optinrealbig.com front page:

OptinRealBig.com, LLC ("Optin") has been informed that the New York
Attorney General and Microsoft have announced a press conference for
December 18, 2003. Optin has not been informed by either Microsoft nor
the New York Attorney General as to what the purpose of the press
conference is. Through other sources Optin has been informed that the
purpose of the press conference is to announce that a civil complaint
has been filed alleging violations of New York law by numerous
defendants, including Optin and Scott Richter, its President. Optin and
Scott Richter vigorously deny any violations of New York law and ask
that their clients and friends make no decision regarding any liability
on their part until they have the opportunity to respond to any
allegations made against them. Neither Optin nor Scott Richter will
have any further comment regarding this matter until they have had the
opportunity to read and review the Complaint. Any inquiries regarding
this matter should be addressed to Optin's legal counsel, Linda Goodman
(619-233-3535). Ms. Goodman is currently out of the office and will not
be available for comment until December 19, 2003.

Re:Touchy, aren't they? (1)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777258)

The Rocky Mountain News [rockymountainnews.com] had this article when when the suits hit. It provides quite a bit more detail and points out that apparently OptInRealBig, Synergy6, and Delta 7 (some of his various DBAs) already use overseas relays to circumvent spam blocks.

The Rocky Mountain News is the more conservative of Denver's two mainstream, treeware newspapers. The Denver Post probably also has coverage.

Re:Touchy, aren't they? (4, Funny)

netsharc (195805) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777295)

OptinRealBig? Why did I read that as "Open Real Big"? And why did that put the disturbing image of the goatse guy in my head?

But, to be "goatsed" is definitely something this Scott Richter guy (as well as other spammers) deserves.

Re:Touchy, aren't they? (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777370)

OptinRealBig.com, LLC ("Optin") has been informed that the New York Attorney General and Microsoft have announced a press conference...

Weasel words.

blah (4, Funny)

schematix (533634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7776989)

The name of the spammer in question is Scott Ritcher by the way...not Richert. I've been lucky enough to meet this guy and even stay at his half million dollar house in Westminster Colorado for a week. He's doing pretty well for himself if you count the house, the 3 car garage with a black Lexus SC430 and a matching LX470. But overall i'd have to say him and his company are a bunch of idiots. His so-called "partner" Dustin Parker (it says this in the spamhaus link) is a total idiot . When i worked for him, Dustin was a 16-year old middle school drop out. We smoked a couple blunts together. Complete idiot. Just goes to show it doesn't take intelligence to become successful. Of course Scott is only dragging Dustin along because Scott himself is clueless from a technical standpoint. I dunno what the point of this post was except that Dustin is an idiot and Scott isn't far behind him but Scott's making millions off of other idiots so i guess that says something.

That's nothing... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7776992)


I've got a deal with Microsoft and the big AV companies to not do anything about the email virus I'm about to let loose.

Enjoy suckers!!! :)

Re:That's nothing... (5, Interesting)

ma++i+ude (580592) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777108)

I've got a deal with Microsoft and the big AV companies to not do anything about the email virus I'm about to let loose.

Tell me, does this involve Microsoft's decision not to issue any patches for a month?

Re:That's nothing... (3, Insightful)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777261)

I've got a deal with Microsoft and the big AV companies to not do anything about the email virus I'm about to let loose.

<sarcasm>
And this is different from standard Microsoft policy, how?
</sarcasm>

Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Syria? N. Korea? (-1, Offtopic)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7776995)

And we're worrying about, um, supposed back-door business deals?

Hate to break it to ya, but this kind of thing happens a lot anyway. Don't waste your energy worrying about crap like this -- it'll always happen.

We should be worrying about Saddam, bin Laden, Syria's terrorist fund laundering, etc.

Spam? Who cares?! Let's roll first and get rid of terrorists.

Re:Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Syria? N. Korea? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777033)

We should be worrying about Saddam

What kind of spider hole have you been hiding in the past week?

Re:Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Syria? N. Korea? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777042)

you're an idiot if you really think thats Saddam that they captured..

just look at the excellent timing.. just in time for Bush to secure the election..

Saddam is smarter than that to be so easily caught.. probably in a palace in Syria laughing his ass off right now

Re:Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Syria? N. Korea? (-1, Offtopic)

Wag (102501) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777054)

We should have sent the spammers to Iraq in the first wave.

I've got news for you, chief. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777043)

Associate Professor of Computer Science

More like Associate Professor of Sucking Cock.

Re:Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Syria? N. Korea? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777363)

Hey asshole.. "Let's roll" were the last known words of one brave mother fucker as he was about to take action you could only imagine in your masturbatory dreams. For you to even *think* that phrase dishonors his memory and the memories of all those who died on 9-11-2001.

Bush should be impeached if for no other reason than for including that phrase in his pathetic SOTU speech, and all pathetic marketers including it in their advertisements (I've seen it on billboards attempting to sell low-end cars, for God's sake).

That phrase should be retired from common usage much the way an athlete's number is retired by his/her team.

Anything else dilutes and sullies the memory of that event.

his strategy was all wrong. (-1)

acefantastik (630920) | more than 10 years ago | (#7776998)

If he has some rich Nigerian banker diplomat on his side, he could have had that man vouch for him.

Holy Crap!!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777017)

What will we do now!!!1

Why not revise email standards? (4, Interesting)

plinius (714075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777024)

The problem is that anyone can create bogus emails, thereby masking their own identity. Well surely there is a technical solution to this, such as abandoning the current mail protocols to prevent people from submitting emails with fake identifying info, or from submitting emails from bogus IPs. But where is there any progress along these lines?

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER (-1)

Coulter, Ann (720298) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777139)


(Use a disposable account from a disposable IP before moderating this up. Editors generally watch and see who moderates controversial things like this up.)

When you are logged in, /. ties your user account to any Anonymous Coward postings you make... Thus they know who posted it. To demonstrate this:
  1. Get mod points.
  2. Post an AC comment while logged in
  3. Change your dynamic ip, clear all cookies
  4. Log back in and try to moderate your AC comment... you can't!!!

Please *log out* AND use another browser before making your AC comments.
Your UID is being tracked, it's not Anonymous. Lots of people post lots of things to Slashdot as AC only because they believe it is really anonymous - it isn't. They hunt "trolls" (non-karma whores and non-group thinking bots) down.

This is true. I used to be a bit more freestyle and witty AC and be a nice guy logged in [basically a karma whore]. After a short while, I could no longer moderate. Slashdot does brand AC posts with IP and then map them back to users. They lie about AC, AC doesn't exist if you re-use ip addresses.

Big brother is watching. So while I might be a "troll" a lot of the AC things I said were to protect myself from Slash-bot groupthink. They punished me for voicing my opinion freestyle.

They also revoke moderation FOREVER - $rtbl it is called, for any moderations of any post that have been secretly flagged annoying [Slashcode has hidden flags viewable by editors]. If you *EVER* mod up something an editor secretly marked annoying you NEVER moderate again, ever - ever even if your karma is capped.

Also, Slashdot uses the friends system to track "trolls." Mark a troll you find funny as a friend *bang* $rtbl never to moderate ever again. My real account had many many good friends who had good karma, and a few funny trolls later, no more moderation for that account. Again, Slashdot is spying on its users to make the people who find certain things funny uneligible to moderate. You will never moderate again if you are a friend of a "foe or freak" of an editor.

FACT: This is in Slashcode CVS

Revision 1.7.2.5 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Thu Feb 8 13:12:32 2001 UTC (2 years, 9 months ago) by pudge
Branch: bender
CVS Tags: v1_1_3_0
Changes since 1.7.2.4: +18 -7 lines
Diff to previous 1.7.2.4 to branchpoint 1.7

log more AC info


So AC is a scam here. Hitler-Malda screws AC posts in the caboose. So now all you can do is go 100% AC, or , as they expect you to, KARMA WHORE. And it is so lame and unfair and probably illegal as they lie about anonymity.

Also, sometimes when certain information becomes an active thread, they bitchslap the thread much later so that people think its "safe" to participate and the whole thing gets slapped.

There is a presumption anonymous means something. They lie like rugs to the posting public by using the word anonymous. It is not. They brazenly lie though and the un-assuming poster is having everything he says correlated with him and stored in a computer just waiting to be subpoenaed by the people that Slashdot claims to hate but works for. They work for the fascist forces and components of the US government. I like the US and other Western governments but they have good and bad components - there are things you need to do to protect yourself from the bad components. Basically "covering your ass" so to speak. At Slashdot, in lying about AC, un-protects its posting public (seeding a de-anonymizing privacy stripping pandemic in their own "little" way). This makes Slashdot a very dangerous target for you the posters to have your "anonymous" information subpoenaed and you to be chased down and persecuted for speaking your mind. I think that it is a joke Slashdot editors post about SCO, MSFT, RIAA, MPAA, TIA, FBI, etc. They do the same fascist big-brotherly things that those companies do the public at large as they do to the Slashdot posting public.

Protect yourself. Try and use proxies or a super good second browser with proxies that you never log into such as Opera (which makes it very easy to delete all private data). Thank you.

Sure it's possible (2, Informative)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777141)

But you need to realize is that the reason email works, on the global scale it does, is precisely because of that lack of authentication, and it's decentralized, open nature.

I'm not saying "it's impossible"... it's certainly not.. but the more layers of authentication, and the beurocracies needed to manage them, the less workably any system becomes.

Re:Why not revise email standards? (5, Informative)

operagost (62405) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777162)

Every modern SMTP server I know of logs the client's IP and places it in the message. Look at the headers in your email some time.
Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.100)
by orff.operagost.local (V5.1-15Q, OpenVMS V7.3 VAX);
Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:21:41 -0500
Received: from someluser@aol.com
by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id 2.105.3c03c144 (25508)
for <somebody@operagost.com>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:20:34 -0500 (EST)
The first "received:" is the server who delivered the mail to yours. Normally this is the actual sending server, except in two instances:

You have a forwarding service like Mail.com,

The sender is using an open relay.

In either case, you can still find out the spammer's location by scanning down the "received:" list until you find the first exchange that took place. This guy is apparently a real AOLer as there is no other server in between. It doesn't matter how crafty he is- he can even modify the header of his outgoing emails with some special SMTP client software, but I'll still know what IP delivered the mail to me. It gets more confusing with ass-clowns running open relays, but the info's still there.

Re:Why not revise email standards? (4, Informative)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777263)

In either case, you can still find out the spammer's location by scanning down the "received:" list until you find the first exchange that took place

While that used to be true, nowadays a lot of spam is sent via open proxies. In this case, the proxy will not show any other "received" lines, except for the fake "received" lines that the spammer has deliberately inserted in order to divert tracking attempts.

What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777028)

Well, glad you asked. The result of the Anti-Spam law will be more American jobs moving over seas or to disreputable neighbors.

Think about it. Once those jobs move over seas America will have even less power to constrain the pread of spam.

There ya go Slashbots.

Re:What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (4, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777078)

The result of the Anti-Spam law will be more American jobs moving over seas or to disreputable neighbors.

That's like complaining that laws against kiddie porn mean that Americans are missing out on working in the lucrative kiddie porn industry.

Think about it. Once those jobs move over seas America will have even less power to constrain the pread of spam.

Once they go overseas, e-mail providers can just put country blocks in place (see blackholes.us) and the problem is solved. If those countries want to join in our reindeer games, then they can crack down on the spammers and the blocks will go away.

Re:What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777409)

Once they go overseas, e-mail providers can just put country blocks in place (see blackholes.us) and the problem is solved. If those countries want to join in our reindeer games, then they can crack down on the spammers and the blocks will go away.

Well said. Don't play by our rules? Fu** off, we're not listening. Let's see what happens then.

Buzzzzzz.....Wrong (2, Interesting)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777252)

Even if spammers move their servers overseas, the people running the business here can be sued. Even if the spammer is completely overseas, they can still be sued. If a US company hires a spammer to spam, the US company can be sued.

Re:What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (2, Funny)

fermion (181285) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777289)

So more jobs leave the US, fewer of us have good jobs and the expendable income that accompanies said jobs, so we become less of a target for Spammers. As many have said, Spamming is profitable because consumers buy the products. No US consumers, no reason to spam the US. Market dies, so the product dies. Spam problem solved. I fail to see a downside to this.

Re:What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (1)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777304)


The same logic is applied to the War on Drugs. No drug users = no drug problem.

However, drug users are addicted to intoxication (particular substance notwithstanding) and spam customers are just plain gullible fools (of which there are legion; just ask the Republican Party)

The downside is that wishing upon a star won't help.. neither will (further) bankrupting the US economy.

Re:What will be the result of the Anti-Spam Law ? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777423)

As long as spam equates to sales, people who get duped into "updating their account numbers" or people willing to help a deposed Nigirian offical launder money, there will always be spam. It costs so little, it'll just take a few fools make a profit.

spammer fraud? (5, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777032)

If it's true that Brightmail made no special deal with him, it looks like he could be prosecuted for consumer fraud as well as spamming. Indeed, his clients could presumably sue him too. If Brightmail did make a special deal with him, assuming that they advertise that they block spam, then they comitted consumer fraud. Somebody's in trouble here one way or the other.

Expert Advice (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777053)

Whether you are attending a private sex party or a public club, there are some good manners that should be followed. Obviously these rules will vary for different parties, but here are a few good rules to follow so that you don't become an unwanted guest and never get invited back again.
  • Don't be a sling lizard - In other words, don't get into a sling unless you have a play partner. And if slings are limited, give other people a change to use the sling.
  • Lay down paper towels on the floor before playing to collect any spilled lubrication. You may also want to place a paper towel under the bottoms butt. Wipe off the play area and the bottom completely before leaving the play area. It is the tops responsibility to make sure the lube is wiped off the bottoms butt and that the floor and sling or table is wiped off and clean for the next person.
  • Ask your host what the house rules are This includes where you are allowed to play and what supplies you should bring (I always bring my own lube, beverage, paper towels and other party supplies to private parties). At THE SLING you can bring your own lube or we sell it there. Bring your own beer if desired, we provide sodas, paper towels, gloves, condoms and shower. For all parties it's polite to bring your own towel in case you want to shower
  • Don't just walk up to a play session and join in It's best to try to get some eye contact to see if they want you to join in. It can be very distracting to be in a scene and have somebody just join in especially if you don't want them there.
  • Keep unnecessary conversation and noises out of the play area Try not to have regular conversations where people playing can hear you. Also, if you are a screaming or make loud noises during play, this may disturb other guests. Some people enjoy the loud moans and groans but many find it disturbing.
  • If you move any equipment around return it to the original spot when done For example, if you raise or lower the sling, return it to where it was when you got there. Or if you move a table or chair, return it.
  • Do not share lube. This can lead to the transmission of HIV and other diseases. The cans can become contaminated while playing so it's good to write you name on the jar of crisco or lube.
  • Wash off hands and arms and dick when done playing Preferrably with an antibacterial soap.
  • Don't walk around the party in street clothes or be a gawkerAt most play parties the guys are usually in jocks or chaps so that their butts are exposed
Proper Fisting Technique Photograph [nero-online.org]

attn: Michael Sims (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777065)

Please fuck off and die.

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777067)

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER
(Use a disposable account from a disposable IP before moderating this up. Editors generally watch and see who moderates controversial things like this up.)

When you are logged in, /. ties your user account to any Anonymous Coward postings you make... Thus they know who posted it. To demonstrate this:
  1. Get mod points.
  2. Post an AC comment while logged in
  3. Change your dynamic ip, clear all cookies
  4. Log back in and try to moderate your AC comment... you can't!!!

Please *log out* AND use another browser before making your AC comments.
Your UID is being tracked, it's not Anonymous. Lots of people post lots of things to Slashdot as AC only because they believe it is really anonymous - it isn't. They hunt "trolls" (non-karma whores and non-group thinking bots) down.

This is true. I used to be a bit more freestyle and witty AC and be a nice guy logged in [basically a karma whore]. After a short while, I could no longer moderate. Slashdot does brand AC posts with IP and then map them back to users. They lie about AC, AC doesn't exist if you re-use ip addresses.

Big brother is watching. So while I might be a "troll" a lot of the AC things I said were to protect myself from Slash-bot groupthink. They punished me for voicing my opinion freestyle.

They also revoke moderation FOREVER - $rtbl it is called, for any moderations of any post that have been secretly flagged annoying [Slashcode has hidden flags viewable by editors]. If you *EVER* mod up something an editor secretly marked annoying you NEVER moderate again, ever - ever even if your karma is capped.

Also, Slashdot uses the friends system to track "trolls." Mark a troll you find funny as a friend *bang* $rtbl never to moderate ever again. My real account had many many good friends who had good karma, and a few funny trolls later, no more moderation for that account. Again, Slashdot is spying on its users to make the people who find certain things funny uneligible to moderate. You will never moderate again if you are a friend of a "foe or freak" of an editor.

FACT: This is in Slashcode CVS

Revision 1.7.2.5 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Thu Feb 8 13:12:32 2001 UTC (2 years, 9 months ago) by pudge
Branch: bender
CVS Tags: v1_1_3_0
Changes since 1.7.2.4: +18 -7 lines
Diff to previous 1.7.2.4 to branchpoint 1.7

log more AC info


So AC is a scam here. Hitler-Malda screws AC posts in the caboose. So now all you can do is go 100% AC, or , as they expect you to, KARMA WHORE. And it is so lame and unfair and probably illegal as they lie about anonymity.

Also, sometimes when certain information becomes an active thread, they bitchslap the thread much later so that people think its "safe" to participate and the whole thing gets slapped.

There is a presumption anonymous means something. They lie like rugs to the posting public by using the word anonymous. It is not. They brazenly lie though and the un-assuming poster is having everything he says correlated with him and stored in a computer just waiting to be subpoenaed by the people that Slashdot claims to hate but works for. They work for the fascist forces and components of the US government. I like the US and other Western governments but they have good and bad components - there are things you need to do to protect yourself from the bad components. Basically "covering your ass" so to speak. At Slashdot, in lying about AC, un-protects its posting public (seeding a de-anonymizing privacy stripping pandemic in their own "little" way). This makes Slashdot a very dangerous target for you the posters to have your "anonymous" information subpoenaed and you to be chased down and persecuted for speaking your mind. I think that it is a joke Slashdot editors post about SCO, MSFT, RIAA, MPAA, TIA, FBI, etc. They do the same fascist big-brotherly things that those companies do the public at large as they do to the Slashdot posting public.

Protect yourself. Try and use proxies or a super good second browser with proxies that you never log into such as Opera (which makes it very easy to delete all private data). Thank you.

saddam hussein (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777075)


you're an idiot if you really think thats Saddam that they captured..

just look at the excellent timing.. just in time for Bush to secure the election..

Saddam is smarter than that to be so easily caught.. probably in a palace in Syria laughing his ass off right now

Texas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777076)

Fuck Texas! Fuck The DMCA! Fuck Ken Lay!
Wake up, they have you. Oh no, you're too fat to move! How did that happen?
Get off the glass tit.
Fuck Texas! Texas Sucks!
I still want to know who won the war on drugs.
Fuck Texas! Fuck The Patriot Act! Fuck Andrew Fastow!
Legalize IT!
Too fat to move.
Fuck Texas! Fuck Prohibition! Fuck Rupert Murdoch!

(o)(o)
>
\

Address (4, Informative)

I_am_Rambi (536614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777093)

Seems like his address can be found here [spamhaus.org]

Scott Richter
1333 w 120th Ave suite 101
Westminster CO 80234
Srich10195@AOL.COM
303-5509828

OR

Richter, Scott srich10195@al.com
SaveRealBig
p.o.box 21316
denver, co 80221
usa
303-428-3600

Re:Address (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777114)

ME TOO!

Re:Address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777119)

Richter, Scott srich10195@al.com

That should probably read:

Richter, Scott srich10195@AOL.com

al.com [al.com] is something completely different.

Re:Address (2, Funny)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777319)

For some reason, I get a bad feeling with someone like that living so close to me. Makes my hometown look bad.

However, we could organize a "field trip".

Re:Address (1)

cmowire (254489) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777413)

I've often felt that. For a short span of time, there was a spammer operating a few miles from me.

I'd probably manage to get myself arrested for either trespassing, assault, or perhaps something more sinister if I did pay them a visit, tho.

Re:Address (3, Interesting)

MuckSavage (658302) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777444)

I wouldn't do anything stupid, mind you. I'm not going to jail for that fucko.

But a lot of "passive" justice can be done. You just have to be creative. ;)

From the Article (5, Funny)

alphonso_bedoya (585317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777107)

Francois Lavaste, Brightmail VP of Marketing, said in a statement provided the GripeLog, "I have personally verified, with the assistance of male members of my department, the ineffectiveness of products advertised by Mr. Richter." Other Brightmail executives were spending the holidays in Nigeria and were unavailable for comment.

Re:From the Article (3, Funny)

ChoGGi (522069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777239)

"I have personally verified, with the assistance of male members of my department"
does this sound to you as if they were testing a certain enlargement product that they had received in their mail

Re:spending the holidays in Nigeria (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777364)

Oh, so that's where the millions of dollars are from that they need help transferring to the US. Sounds like if we help them, we could make a few bucks! ;-)

Actually, He is being honest (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777130)

I have written several times of a major spamming operation that is using major ISPs. This is the guy who has been paying MSN > 1Million / month (apparently, also, Yahoo and AOL, but I do not know what the amount or deal is there). MSN then was getting greedy and raised it to > 5Million. From what I understand several of the other spammers kept the deal, but this guy approached another major DSL company and offered 2Million / month. The interesting thing is that he wants IPs and bandwidth. The major companies do not try to shut down insecure servers becuase they locate them and then simply use those IPs. Later they can blame the client.
Most of the spam that everybody thinks is coming from overseas is not. It is here, but the large ISPs are willing to hide it for a large price.

Re:Actually, He is being honest (4, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777431)

I check the headers. Somewhere the link of IP address breaks down. The last one or two servers are false most of the time. However the last valid server indicates the IP where it really received the packets from. I do find most of my false header mail is from overseas. However some of it is from the US with a false entry indicating .nl or .ru. I don't speak Russan and I have no relatives in the Netherlands, so any mail claiming to come from there is auto-deleted by my filter. I found most of the from the US really, but claiming .nl or .ru is simply a virus running from one of the client machines of one of the major DSL or Cable providers. Norton usualy filters any of these before the header filter gets them since virus scanning is first.

It's amazing how many people run unpatched boxes on broadband with neither a router or AV software.

With what I know now, I wouldn't consider running a Windows box on a broadband modem without a router AND AV software. Change the gateway address to someting other than 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. Lots of machines configured the same make easy targets for exploitation. Make changes to reduce the number of easly infected machines.

Re:Actually, He is being honest (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777465)

I do find most of my false header mail is from overseas.

Actually, it is not. The validity of this counts on the backbone being honest. It is not. From what I learned, MSN will allow the spammers to use the IPs of their customers. But obviosly, if used to heavily, it would be bad. So thay play with Local servers/routers to make it appear to be from overseas.

When you think about it, it is brilliant. The overseas links would be horrible expensive. So instead use modified local servers.

RICHTER (2, Informative)

oobar (600154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777146)

His name is Richter, not Richert, which is clearly indicated in the links provided.

Michael, by definition you cannot call yourself an editor unless you actually edit the stories.

the irony (2, Interesting)

Heartz (562803) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777147)

Am I the only one that sees the irony of this whole submission to slashdot because it was a post about a spammer pretending to have white list access and submitted by a pretender?

Re:the irony (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777166)

Fuck you and your "irony" you little bitch.

The spammer rules (4, Funny)

cluge (114877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777163)

With variation from time to time, the rules that ALWAYS applies to spammers are[From news.admin.net-abuse.email]:

Rule #1: Spammers lie.
[(Proposed) Sharp's Corollary: Spammers attempt to re-define "spamming" as that which they do not do.]

Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1.
Chrissman's Corollary: A spammer, when caught, blames his victims.

Rule #3: Spammers are stupid.
Krueger's Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid. Pickett's Commentary: Spammer lies are boring. Russell's Corollary: Never underestimate the stupidity of spammers.

I say see rule #1 when listening to a spammer.

AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]

WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777188)

WARNING! SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USER
(Use a disposable account from a disposable IP before moderating this up. Editors generally watch and see who moderates controversial things like this up.)

When you are logged in, /. ties your user account to any Anonymous Coward postings you make... Thus they know who posted it. To demonstrate this:
  1. Get mod points.
  2. Post an AC comment while logged in
  3. Change your dynamic ip, clear all cookies
  4. Log back in and try to moderate your AC comment... you can't!!!

Please *log out* AND use another browser before making your AC comments.
Your UID is being tracked, it's not Anonymous. Lots of people post lots of things to Slashdot as AC only because they believe it is really anonymous - it isn't. They hunt "trolls" (non-karma whores and non-group thinking bots) down.

This is true. I used to be a bit more freestyle and witty AC and be a nice guy logged in [basically a karma whore]. After a short while, I could no longer moderate. Slashdot does brand AC posts with IP and then map them back to users. They lie about AC, AC doesn't exist if you re-use ip addresses.

Big brother is watching. So while I might be a "troll" a lot of the AC things I said were to protect myself from Slash-bot groupthink. They punished me for voicing my opinion freestyle.

They also revoke moderation FOREVER - $rtbl it is called, for any moderations of any post that have been secretly flagged annoying [Slashcode has hidden flags viewable by editors]. If you *EVER* mod up something an editor secretly marked annoying you NEVER moderate again, ever - ever even if your karma is capped.

Also, Slashdot uses the friends system to track "trolls." Mark a troll you find funny as a friend *bang* $rtbl never to moderate ever again. My real account had many many good friends who had good karma, and a few funny trolls later, no more moderation for that account. Again, Slashdot is spying on its users to make the people who find certain things funny uneligible to moderate. You will never moderate again if you are a friend of a "foe or freak" of an editor.

FACT: This is in Slashcode CVS

Revision 1.7.2.5 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Thu Feb 8 13:12:32 2001 UTC (2 years, 9 months ago) by pudge
Branch: bender
CVS Tags: v1_1_3_0
Changes since 1.7.2.4: +18 -7 lines
Diff to previous 1.7.2.4 to branchpoint 1.7

log more AC info


So AC is a scam here. Hitler-Malda screws AC posts in the caboose. So now all you can do is go 100% AC, or , as they expect you to, KARMA WHORE. And it is so lame and unfair and probably illegal as they lie about anonymity.

Also, sometimes when certain information becomes an active thread, they bitchslap the thread much later so that people think its "safe" to participate and the whole thing gets slapped.

There is a presumption anonymous means something. They lie like rugs to the posting public by using the word anonymous. It is not. They brazenly lie though and the un-assuming poster is having everything he says correlated with him and stored in a computer just waiting to be subpoenaed by the people that Slashdot claims to hate but works for. They work for the fascist forces and components of the US government. I like the US and other Western governments but they have good and bad components - there are things you need to do to protect yourself from the bad components. Basically "covering your ass" so to speak. At Slashdot, in lying about AC, un-protects its posting public (seeding a de-anonymizing privacy stripping pandemic in their own "little" way). This makes Slashdot a very dangerous target for you the posters to have your "anonymous" information subpoenaed and you to be chased down and persecuted for speaking your mind. I think that it is a joke Slashdot editors post about SCO, MSFT, RIAA, MPAA, TIA, FBI, etc. They do the same fascist big-brotherly things that those companies do the public at large as they do to the Slashdot posting public.

Protect yourself. Try and use proxies or a super good second browser with proxies that you never log into such as Opera (which makes it very easy to delete all private data). Thank you.

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777219)

this comment needs to keep being posted until someone from slashdot steps up and explains to the slashdot community that anonymous does not actually mean anonymous.

all users of slashdot who have an interest in it being a fair medium to exchange information owe it to the community to post this comment at least twice a day.

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777262)

Dude,

If you have a conspiracy theory regarding Slashdot, either don't troll as AC, or use a second computer (without cookies, another ISP, etc) to post AC. That should remove any association real or imagined of an AC post with your real ID. Good luck.

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777285)

Imagined?

The fucking code right there proves it.

idiot

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777294)

The point is that Rob Malda [mailto] should not have an anonymous posting option when it is not actually anonymous. What does anonymous mean to you?

I would wager if you asked most people to take an anonymous survey and while they were filling it out, you opened their wallet and wrote down their name, these people might ask you why it's called an anonymous survey?

Don't give me your fucking attitude either. Slashdot does associate AC posts with your user id if you are logged in when you post. There are numerous ways to verify this but you're obviously too lazy to do so. If you aren't even willing to do the research on this topic, don't post your nonsense here you asshole.

Re:WARNING, SLASHDOT NOW TIES AC COMMENTS WITH USE (-1, Troll)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777318)


So my response is.. if you are posting something AC that you are really worried about someone finding your true identity, why are you posting it to fucking Slashdot anyway?

Talk about a non-problem.. do you bitch just to see your own words?

LONG LIVE KIM JONG-IL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777202)

Face it you Americans are just bullies going around beating up arabs and stealing their lunch (oil) money!

You are fucking pathetic!

Come on pick on someone your own size. Fuck with China and North Korea. Bring it on fat fags. Go pray to the "holy ghost" or one of your other idols like that loser nailed to the wall, lol, nice god. Why do westerners still practice pathetic feudal superstition.

Anyways, stop picking on the backwards Arabs, bring it on, fuck with China and North Korea and get a fucking nuclear beat down you imperialist pigs.

Re:LONG LIVE KIM JONG-IL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777243)

Bring em' on!

---
President George W. Bush

Re:LONG LIVE KIM JONG-IL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777259)

Bring it, you bitch. You guys probably still don't have enough boats to invade Taiwan, do you?

Is this an attempt to hold customers? (4, Interesting)

Chatmag (646500) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777248)

*'A spammer's claim to his clients...*

I think that's the key phrase here. Apparently Scott is losing customers, and in order to retain them, or gain new ones, he has to tell clients he is "whitelisted". What reputable business would want to pay an email broadcast company, when that company is blocklisted. He couldn't possibly think to use this as a defence, saying that if Brightmail whitelists him, he must not be a spammer. But then again, from what I've seen regarding him, I wouldn't be surprised.

As far as I'm concerned, any business that uses Optin is just as sleazy as Scott.

Re:Is this an attempt to hold customers? (2, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777293)

He's likely trying to spin some statement that says "If you really are doing opt-in e-mail, we'd never block you," from Brightmail into a promise that they won't blacklist him... doesn't quite work that way in his case.

Proving a negative... (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777253)

The biggest problem with the "I didn't opt in!" complaints is that spammers have gotten better and better at submerging the opt-in indication to a yes-defaulted checkbox within all sorts of websites and software. Once you have slipped up and comprimised your e-mail address this way, you've basically given that publisher permission to spam you and share your address with any other spammers they want to "partner" with.

Therefore, anti-spam laws will always have a hole that a truck can be driven through. Since proving that you've never accidently tripped over a "universal opt-in" is nearly impossible to do, successful prosecutions will be tough.

The only way we're ever going to fully kill spam is to abandon SMTP and get a better way to verify that e-mail really came from the claimed sender and leaves a valid return address...

Re:Proving a negative... (1)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777338)

Agreed and good points all. I think you underestimate the size of the hole in anti-spam laws though. It's closer to the size an aircraft carrier can be U-turned through.

Aside from that one small point, perfect.

SMTP has got to go. It was great while it lasted but obviously the human race, or some small percentage of it is incapable of not screwing something sweet like this up. We need something that can literally put an end to this before it begins.

A note on Brightmail (5, Insightful)

pw700z (679598) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777268)

Part of the reason to toss the name 'brightmail' around is because their product is awesome at stopping spam. The spammer is probably just trying to undermine brightmail's credibility.

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Out of lying spammers, Scotty takes the cake. (3, Interesting)

Rascally (89279) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777274)

You generally can't believe a thing the guy says. I know for a fact he doesn't have agreements with at least one of the carrier/ISP's he says he does, and that carrier has had problems with him off and on for years through a couple of their larger hosting customers.

Of course, just for saying this, he'll threaten to get his dad (who's a lawyer!) to come after me, except of course that he's a tax lawyer.

Out of spammers, this guy is the lowest of the low.

sure (5, Insightful)

danidude (672839) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777280)

Use the "which is more probable?" principle: which is more probable? A anti-spam technology ruin itself by promising blocking spam and letting thousands of junk mail pass by becouse ti made a deal that will ruin it's bussiness or The goo'dam spammer is lying?

Hard to prove (-1, Redundant)

Sarojin (446404) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777314)

The biggest problem with the "I didn`t opt in!" complaints is that spammers have gotten better and better at submerging the opt-in indication to a yes-defaulted checkbox within all sorts of websites and software. Once you have slipped up and comprimised your e-mail address this way, you`ve basically given that publisher permission to spam you and share your address with any other spammers they want to "partner" with.

Therefore, anti-spam laws will always have a hole that a truck can be driven through. Since proving that you've never accidently tripped over a "universal opt-in" is nearly impossible to do, successful prosecutions will be tough.

The only way we're ever going to fully kill spam is to abandon SMTP and get a better way to verify that e-mail really came from the claimed sender and leaves a valid return address...

Why is everyone so focussed on the spammer? (3, Interesting)

morelife (213920) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777337)

You're just feeding his notoriety by talking about him, obviously it's a stunt on his part.

Brightmail has so few false positives and allows so little spam through that any noticable continuous stream of spam caused by such an alleged "arrangement" between Ritcher and Brightmail would be bound to get noticed by savvy end users/administrators, if not Brightmail post-installation tech support.

Same with alleged "whitelists" at ISPs - enough people have eyes on MTA configs that there would be questions.

This is bullshit and I'm sorry Brightmail had to stoop to a public answer.

So who are these guys http://www.ileads.com (4, Interesting)

ozzee (612196) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777357)

I was told by a friend of mine (mortgage broker) that his company stopped using ileads.com because they were getting too many "bad quality" leads.

It seems that some people are starting to fill out these forms and having the brokers contact them and then after taking all the contact information from the broker, they inform them that if they don't a) divulge the information of where they got the lead and b) agree to stop using companies that use SPAM to generate leads that they will hand their contact details to the foaming at the mouth public.

Is this legal ? Souds like sweet justice to me.

Re:So who are these guys http://www.ileads.com (5, Interesting)

CaptBubba (696284) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777506)

It is sweet justice. Either Newsweek or Time had an article a year or so ago about spam and anitspammers. One guy was so annoyed by a spammer that kept sending the same spam to him (the guy must not have had a filter) so he bought something from the spammer.

The buisness that was spamming was then listed on his credit card statement. He sued them and won something like $1,000 from them for ignoring his opt-out requests. He had a statement about his technique for finding the spammer that went something like "They could hide from me, but nobody can hide from American Express"

I wish credit card companies had fake numbers to give to these spammers and paypal fraud artists that would automatically trigger alarms when they ran through for verification. This would be a great way for people to track down who is actually profiting from the spam. A good-guy version of the trojan horse, if you will.

Me too I've got an agreement, the Iron Bar (2, Funny)

totatis (734475) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777371)

Me too, I concluded an agreement with this guy, about my Iron Bar(TM). Whenever I meet him, he lets me beat the hell out of him with my Iron Bar(TM).

Rumours are that I have agreements with other spammers too, they just love my Iron Bar(TM).

Iron Bar(TM), the ultimate solution to construtive talks with spammers.

Re:Me too I've got an agreement, the Iron Bar (0)

keeboo (724305) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777507)

"Iron Bar"?! I do NOT think an iron bar is the solution for this.
Instead, an Iron Pipe filled with cement... Now we're talking about proper psychological approach.

Anti-spam Software and Spammers (4, Interesting)

fdiskne1 (219834) | more than 10 years ago | (#7777395)

Not only do some anti-spam software companies make deals with spammers (according to the article), but some also are among the worst spammers.

I talked to a few different anti-spam software companies over the last few months. With each of them, I told them that once we made the decision on which (if any) software to go with, I wanted absolutely no further phone calls or emails trying to sell me their product. We made our decision just over 3 weeks ago and informed the software venders.

Two weeks ago, I received a spam from one of the venders we didn't purchase from. (Yes, the software we decided on caught it, but still, it's the priniciple of the thing.) I followed their procedures to opt-out and also sent an email to the salesperson whose name and email address appeared in the email. I informed her that I told them that I wanted no emails from them trying to sell me their software. I explained how disappointed I was in them and asked to receive no further emails.

A few days later, I received another spam from them. This one was "signed" by a VP of the company. Again, I opted out and sent an email to the VP explaining the entire situation. I explained that I was beyond disappointed and was now getting angry. I demanded that I not receive another sales email from them and explained that if I did, I would be passing the word about their tactics to friends that might be in the market for such software.

Guess what? I got another one. This time, I called the salesperson I was dealing with and explained that I was going to tell everyone I know about how Intellireach [intellireach.com] is an anti-spam software company that spammed me, did not honor my request to not get spammed in the first place and also did not honor several opt-out requests when the requests followed the instructions in the spam.

this is how it works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777424)

welcome to 1998 guys... ISPS accept money in exchange for spam rights. I've seen it done, I've handed the check over and recieved the email addresses to both AOL and MSN. One of the biggest 'anti-spam advocates' in the US has a 40% stake in the second largest direct email business in the world.

the real spammers use people like slashdot readers to smash and block the smaller spammers.

First Posters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777432)

French kiss my crab infested cock.

Re:First Posters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777439)

yeah, they slob on my lovestik, too.

Re:First Posters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777445)

sheesh, i wouldn't let those XP users even touch my equipment.I don't want aids from some white nigger.

Re:First Posters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777454)

you must be talking about the british, we all know that AIDS can only be contracted by blood, i.e. snaggle-toothed rotten teeth brits slobbing the knob.

MOD PARENT UP +5 Informative (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777464)

we need to warn the real white people of the dangers of rotten-snaggle-toothed wiggers.

MOD PARENT UP +5 Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7777474)

and the replies are truth
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"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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