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"H-Bomb Secret" Now Online

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the we'll-try-to-stay-serene-and-calm dept.

Censorship 502

DrDNA writes "In 1979, the US Government sued Howard Morland, Erwin Knoll and Sam Day at The Progressive Magazine for prior restraint over the planned publication of 'The H-Bomb Secret: How We Got It--Why We're Telling It,' citing national security. Six months later, a Federal appeals court vacated the restraining order on publication, and the article was published. There's an interview about the case with George Stanford, of Argonne National Lab, Illinois, a technical adviser for the Progressive Magazine. After all this time, the Progressive article is now online (4Mb pdf)."

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ASL (-1)

penis fish (671987) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781859)

ASL?

Slashdot personals????? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781953)

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously is this a joke? I dont even know any women who even know what this site is.

Re:Slashdot personals????? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782094)

yes. ironic isn't it. i feel web dating is very low on the usefulness scale for the intarweeeb. close tie with spam emails.

i would like to see written testimonials here at /. of those who have met here at /. they can all thank taco for bringing the werld 2gether! yay!

bah humbug (-1)

handybundler (232934) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781860)

is xmas over yet?

Use Slackware! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781863)

Use Slackware, or your life will be a rubbish mess of slow, bloated and unstable distros.

Trust me.

HELLO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781864)

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Should have known.. (5, Funny)

Shky (703024) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781871)

Someone set them up the bomb.

Re:Should have known.. (3, Funny)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782082)

All your base are belong to us!

Re:Should have known.. (4, Funny)

Lane.exe (672783) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782176)

Once again, Captain Obvious is here to save the day!

Just in time (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781874)

For the Orange alert. Thanks for helping the terrorists!

Re:Just in time (4, Interesting)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782016)

Just in time? I've had a paper copy of this article for 24 years (I bought the magazine when it was first published). Believe it or not, re-publishing something on the internet does not mean it was previously un-available.

Re:Just in time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782043)

Never was an RTFA more well-deserved.

Just in time (-1, Flamebait)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781878)

Merry Christmas Osama Bin Laden! Now we know why the alert level was raised today.

Tongue removed from cheek...

FYI (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781879)

FYI Americans, we are now at Orange Alert. There is a higher level of indication now than ever that SOMETHING is going to happen. Before, we were on Yellow Alert, so it was possible that something was going to happen, but now we are Orange, meaning that it is slightly more likely that something is going to happen. When something happens, we will go to Red Alert, indicating that something has happened, but until that time, we will remain at Orange alert.

Be Prepared Americans, Something May Happen Today!

Re:FYI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781980)


i know this is modded funny but remember it is actually true, USA really does have a scaling color coded system on how scared you should feel

its pretty pathetic

Re:FYI (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781990)

Be Prepared Americans, Something May Happen Today!

Santa Claus is coming very early this year !

Re:FYI (5, Insightful)

goon america (536413) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782007)

The terror alert system is just a way for politicians to protect themselves. Issuing vague warnings that will not do anything to prevent an attack does nothing but give whomever's ass is on the line the ability to say "I told you so / it's not my fault" if something actually happens.

Which is why we are probably never going to be at anything other than orange or yellow alert. Because if we ever go to some "reduced" alert level and there is an attack then whoever is in charge of the alert system will get in trouble for not vaguely warning us.

Re:FYI (1)

depth_13 (454306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782099)

Okay, I understand why we have a system for this but how in hell does it always get to be elevated? Doesn't that violate some mathmatical law about averages? If I am always at a greater chance to do something doesn't that just reduce me to an average chance after a long time? Or maybe I'm just a blathering idiot. Those grades in calc and stats coming back to haunt me...

Overheard in the Pentagon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782101)

"Orange alert? Are you absolutely sure sir? It does mean changing the bulb!"

Re:FYI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782120)

Well, despite the US moving to Orange, rest assured the UK is still on Black Special, the highest rating without a specific target being revealed in intelligence.

Online? (5, Funny)

Silvers (196372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781880)

"After all this time, the Progressive article is now online"

Not for long.

Re:Online? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781965)

Yes, behold the wrath of the slashdotting - decades of slashout

Slashdot needs it's own P2P network (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782072)

...right clicking on PDF link....saving as...

DAMN IT!!! Slashdotted already. Oh well, should have known.

I would be nice if Slashdot had it's own P2P program available for all to share the goodies.

Slashdot needs ITS own grammar checker... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782172)

...you beowulf cluster of insensitive clods.

Is it just me.. (2, Interesting)

Stigmata669 (517894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781883)

or does it seem seriously questionable to make a direct link to a 4MB file from a magazine that relies at least partially on advertising to pay for the bandwidth?

It's one thing to crush the server, but the least we can do is look at some ads while we do it.

Re:Is it just me.. (2, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781914)

No, it's just you...

If you post a 4 meg file on your site, you gotta be ready to get it slapped around a bit.

The magazine should break it up, place it on several ad covered pages, and enjoy the slashdot traffic.

Data files are different... it's harder to manipulate those.

PDF is just a big ass text file... there is very little reason to keep it in that format.

Re:Is it just me.. (3, Insightful)

Stigmata669 (517894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781964)

well by the look of it, the PDF is actually a scan of the original article. I know people flame about deep-linking complaints, but it still seems like we could link to the download page rather than to the file.

Re:Is it just me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782000)

Here [google.co.uk]
is a cache link.

Re:Is it just me.. (1)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782038)

You fail it.

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Re:Is it just me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782051)

yeah.... but not

Re:Is it just me.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782055)

doesn't work.

*Awesome* editorial in this article (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781884)

If you read only the first page of only one article posted to Slashdot this year, make it this one. I don't think I've ever seen a more eloquent, and relevant, defense of the First Amendment.

Re:*Awesome* editorial in this article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781952)

Could you please tell me what the first amendment is

Re:*Awesome* editorial in this article (3, Informative)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782010)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Davak

Re:*Awesome* editorial in this article (1)

TomDLux (28486) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782142)

Who needs laws abridging freedom of speech when you've got slashdot?

Relavant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782126)

I don't think the founding fathers made the 1st amendment so we could legally blow the earth fucking up.

Re:*Awesome* editorial in this article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782168)

i agree whole-heartedly, it's even more relevant in this age of guantanamo bay and "embedded" reporting

Head in the Sand (4, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781885)

Somebody will eventually post that we should not publish this information because other countries will get it and thus be able to create nuclear weapons.

Of course, this is bull. But I found this quote from the article puts it best:

GS: It should by now be clear to everyone that in the past we
relied far too much on secrecy. We arrogantly assumed that we
were the only ones who could develop nuclear weapons, and that
therefore we could retain our monopoly. That kept us from
pursuing international arrangements that might have held the
nuclear arms race under some sort of control.


I don't wanna dive into a political rant here, but I think the balance of power, combat, and international discussion is vital to keeping the world safe from the threat of nuclear war.

Head in the Silicon (4, Funny)

whovian (107062) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781975)

Re-tooled as an introduction to Microsoft's linux survey:

It should by now be clear to everyone that in the past we relied far too much on secrecy. We arrogantly assumed that we were the only ones who could develop computer operating systems and software, and that therefore we could retain our monopoly. That kept us from pursuing international arrangements that might have held the upsurge on linux under some sort of control.

Re:Head in the Sand (1)

Isldeur (125133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782022)

Somebody will eventually post that we should not publish this information because other countries will get it and thus be able to create nuclear weapons.

Of course, this is bull. But I found this quote from the article puts it best:


You know I can understand this point for other things such as supercomputing or various technologies which have some purpose other than full-scale annihilation but I just don't know why people need this information.

Who gains what from publishing this?? I'm willing to be educated.

Re:Head in the Sand (2, Insightful)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782061)

Information like this is already known to all the governments that want it.

If you think mp3 are easily traded, 30 sheets of text/information has been traded and sold a million times over.

To hide behind this information prevents countries from forming the deals and treaties that really protect us.

Re:Head in the Sand (4, Informative)

HeghmoH (13204) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782110)

RTFA, because this is fairly well covered there.

First, censorship is bad. Period. It is something where you can very easily and without any sort of a stretch apply the 'slippery slope' principle. As soon as you censor anything, you're well on the way to censoring everything. Unlike, say, automatic assault rifles with clips that hold over ten rounds, 'bad' speech is impossible to objectively define.

Second, the secrecy around the techniques for constructing nuclear weapons makes a lot of things secret as a byproduct, because of the incredible paranoia and perceived fear by the censors. To keep people from guessing the most secret techniques needed to construct a nuclear bomb, by extension you need to keep secret even the materials and quantities required for construction. From there, you have to make secrets out of a lot of what's involved in mining, refining, processing, and manufacturing. From there, it's very easy to do things like making accident statistics or radiation exposure documentation for the town where the reactor is secret.

It is also very easy to declare independently-created works as secrets, even though they were not derived from any government program. Imagine doing some heavy research in your local library, constructing a few tests, saying the wrong things to the wrong people, and shortly the FBI shows up and carts off all of your work. This has happened. In the article, they give the example of a member of the House who wrote a letter to the Department of Energy, asking some rather pressing questions about changes in their nuclear program. In their response, they said that not only were the responses secret, the very questions themselves were of a sensitive nature and were now classified. This very highest elected official was therefore not legally allowed to distribute these questions that only came from his own mind!

In the end, it comes down to something very simple. Freedom of speech is nearly an absolute, and it is also the most important freedom we have. Giving it up is foolish no matter what the reason.

Re:Head in the Sand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782180)

> Who gains what from publishing this?? I'm willing to be educated.

The free world, as publishing it protects human rights. So does much of the information on this page - check out the hilarious warning from the FBI (and associated story):

http://www.cryptome.org/

Re:Head in the Sand (1)

RealProgrammer (723725) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782086)

I hope this is not taken as flame-bait.

Perhaps the nuclear arms race might have been avoided or blunted by allowing openness in nuclear technology.

I wonder if interpersonal violence might be avoided or blunted by allowing open access to personal weapons?

Does allowing anyone to have a (nuclear/personal) weapon work better than trying to deny everyone (nuclear/personal) weapons?

Should we support the right to keep and bear nuclear arms?

Re:Head in the Sand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782106)

I liked his quote about the world trade center being a more likely target. That's, like, so September 10th.

Re:Head in the Sand (2, Offtopic)

kavau (554682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782152)

This is so very, very true. Building bigger and better bombs will hardly make the world safer in the long run. I don't know how other people feel about this, but when the senate failed to ratify the nuclear test ban treaty in 1999, I lost a lot of my faith in the United States in just one day.

Not only on moral grounds, but also on practical grounds, I believe this was the stupidest decision ever made in American politics: The data already collected in past test would have been sufficient to keep America's nuclear arms edge for the better of a century. And banning nuclear tests altogether would secure this edge indefinitely.

How much moral weight does the U.S. have, if they demand that other countries stop their nuclear weapons program now? None. It's simply the voice of the powerful.

Terrorist Threat (-1, Flamebait)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781886)

Is it just me or is putting information about chemical/biological/nuclear weaponry in prominent places on the internet not just asking for trouble? I know I know, obscurity is no security, but it beats the hell out of this kind of stuff.

slashed (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781887)

shit, already slashdotted

Re:slashed (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782062)

At least now the terrorists can't get to it

A Good Read (5, Interesting)

precogpunk (448371) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781888)

Speaking of the history of the H-Bomb, a great read on the subject is the mammoth Pulitzer Prize winning book The Making of the Atomic Bomb [amazon.com] by Richard Rhodes. He also wrote Deadly Feasts [amazon.com] which I enjoyed even more.

ahhh (-1, Troll)

McAddress (673660) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781894)

the feeling of destroying national security in the name of freedom.

As opposed to wanting a police state? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781904)

There are plenty around the world you are "free" to move to if you wish to be a possession of the state. May I suggest China?

Re:ahhh (1)

Lord Kholdan (670731) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781911)

the feeling of destroying national security in the name of freedom.

Some principles are worth living and fighten, some are even worth dying for.

Re:ahhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781918)

I see that three years of brainwashing finally paid off.

Re:ahhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782024)

fcuk you, you fcuking sob

Re:ahhh (5, Insightful)

flossie (135232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781934)

[ahhh] the feeling of destroying national security in the name of freedom.

It's certainly better than destroying freedom in the name of national security.

Sure you say that now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782053)

What do you say when someone blows your house the fuck up? Oh wait, YOU'LL BE FUCKING DEAD.

Re:Sure you say that now (1)

flossie (135232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782151)

I also said similar things when the IRA blew up the railway line in Stevenage [mahk.com] when I was at school there (I was less than a mile away at the time) and when they bombed the city centre of Manchester [bbc.co.uk] when I was at University there - that was a *very* big explosion - I was about 2 miles away at the time.

To give up our principles is to give in to the terrorists. Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld and Blunkett are the most serious menace facing western democracy at the moment. I don't know the mind of Bin Laden and his evil helpers, but it is entirely possible that the World Trade Center would not have been attacked if signatories to the project for the new american century [newamericancentury.org] were not in control of the world's most powerful military and commercial machine.

Re:Sure you say that now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782179)

you mean just as fucking dead as all those Iraqi policemen killed by US soldiers?

Re:ahhh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782092)

Destroying freedom? How 'free' will you feel when you're living in fear of not being able to placate some 'rouge state' into not attacking you? You won't be living so free & easy then.

Or did you just mean that vague sense of 'moral' freedom? Hehehehe.

Re:oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782160)

I for one would rather be dead that to put up with this nonsense much longer. Life is short, I'd rather enjoy it than be building a bomb shelter or masking my house with duck tape...

Not so secret anymore (3, Funny)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781896)

Check it out! [voyager.net]

Re:Not so secret anymore (2, Funny)

omglolbah (731566) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782050)

The ultimate addition to The Anarcist CookBook ?

Re:Not so secret anymore (1)

elFarto the 2nd (709099) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782077)

Man thats some funny stuff.

Gotta love this line (1)

placeclicker (709182) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782097)

Many survivors of the Hiroshima bomb found that they were free from skin and its attendant problems forever.

damnit, some people just can't shut up. (2, Interesting)

neurojab (15737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781901)

Now we'll have some smartass high school student making an h-bomb in his toolshed, just to show how smart he is. Some things are better left secret, and I think this is one of them. I'm all for the freedom of information in most cases, but I do not believe my neighbors and the billions of people across the world that hate the United States should have access to this kind of information. I know everyone will have nukes eventually, I just hope it doesn't happen until my (future) children can grow up and lead productive lives. Let's not blow the planet up just yet. I happen to like it.

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781928)

common sense says we should stop any country that has used a WMD from ever using one again , sounds pretty reasonable

where shall we start, we have 192 countries to choose from, lets see how many have used nukes in war offensivly and lets stop them shall we ?

shall we ask Japan who should have them ?

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (2, Insightful)

neurojab (15737) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781982)

Exactly. No one should have them. Ever. The chances of any government de-stabilizing or the weapons falling into the wrong hands are simply too great. To say that more nations should have them to level the playing field is just ludicrous... every new device produced introduces a greater chance a device will be used, and that use will be retaliated against with even greater force.

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (2, Funny)

aminorex (141494) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782015)

Actually, as technology improves, the cost to an individual of deploying a weapon of mass
destruction decreases. Eventually, anyone who
feels like splurging with their milk money
will be able to destroy the physical structure
of the universe. The solution is not to
deprive children of milk, but to put them all
in separate universes.

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (2, Funny)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782104)

Well, it's good to see somebody finally thinking of the children.

The Manhattan Project (1)

Davak (526912) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781983)

You are ?15? years too late. That movie has been done...

Best use of dishwashing detergent and remote control cars that I have ever seen...

Anybody remember all the mutant clover?

http://www.uselessmoviequotes.com/umq_m005.htm

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (4, Insightful)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781986)

Yeah. Your neighbour is probably just itching to do something with the 3kg of weapons-grade plutonium that he doubtless has kicking around in his back yard, not to mention his ample supplies of tritium and carefully shaped high explosive.
Telling ordinary people how a bomb is made presents negligible threat; it's impractical for them to make one themselves but does give insight into the most significant arms race of the last century. As for other nations and terrorist groups, they have spies to obtain such information for them, and it's still very difficult to obtain the relevant amounts of bomb-grade material.

Smart student can already do this. (5, Insightful)

aepervius (535155) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781988)

Can you really stop people thinking ??? Do you really take the rest of the world that retarded that no other physicist than the US could come up with the "recept" ? If you read the article you might see that *FOUR* nation came up *INDEPENDANTLY* onto the recept.

Frankly once you know this *IS* feasible, as a physicist then you can come up with a solution. that then the engineereer can work upon and come up with an effective device.

Secrety is worthless in nuclear weapon run. Only experience and engineering is somethign worth.

As the article author I wish US , France , Russia and China would have worked together on stoping nuclear proliferation thru treaty , because as we may now observe every country which have money to spend on engineering can get the bomb (Pakistan, India, N-K maybe and whoever else).

Re:Smart student can already do this. (2, Interesting)

jterry94 (654856) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782131)

In fact, it was the U. S. S. R. that developed the first deliverable hydrogen bomb. However, as is often said, the devil is in the details and some secrecy is wise as it often takes a great deal of time for people to figure out the details.

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (-1, Redundant)

Kytro (721911) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781996)

This sort of information was available before, it isn't the first time. If terrorists wanted to learn how to make the bomb, they could do so more easily than most.

Re:damnit, some people just can't shut up. (5, Insightful)

mpoulton (689851) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782023)

Come on, now. Anyone who has taken a college class in modern physics has most of the know-how to build a fusion bomb. Anyone with a degree in physics is more than capable of doing all the necessary calculations to design one. This article provides very little assistance really. The difficult part is not the theory -- it's fairly simple. The challenge lies in the practicalities of actually making one. Obtaining the materials is nearly impossible for most nations, never mind for an individual! This precludes just about everyone except major governments from building them, and it's hard even for them. Successfully assembling one without dying of acute radiation poisoning requires advanced manufacturing facilities and equipment beyond the reach of any but the wealthiest experimenter. It's just not a hazard. *Think* before you decide to restrict information.

Google Cache (2, Informative)

Stigmata669 (517894) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781907)

of the preface to the article [216.239.57.104] .

Re:Google Cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781931)

ooh and one more article [fas.org] by Morland. anon cause karma can bite me

usa = the new terrorist magnet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781908)

woo we are so clever
we can turn humans into dust with our invention, you must congratulate us !, did you see the plane we dropped those atomic weapons with ? cool huh who cares what the japs think right ?

and you wonder why people turn your buildings into runways ?, the only nation on earth to use nuclear weapons in time of war

"if you prepare for war then it has already begun" Sun Tzu - the art of war

hentai!?!? (-1, Redundant)

metalmario (717434) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781941)

cannot access the document (it's slashdotted!). but is it about... hentai?

gotta get it!

This reminds me... (5, Interesting)

meridian (16189) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781944)

Of the Radioactive Boyscount [dangerousl...tories.org] who built a nuclear reactor in his shed from uranium paint you find on antiques

Freaky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782049)

Radioactive Boy's Cunt?

Slashdot Personals. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781960)

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It all boils down to exploitation. First Slashdot is exploiting poor unsuspecting geeks for cash and then the geeks are going to exploit the poor divorces. It's not right Taco! I expect you to put a halt to this devious tactic immediately.

Thank you,

AC

Here's a more shocking secret now online: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7781967)

Dell is selling eMacs [macslash.org] to the NYC Board of Education.

Interesting -- from the interview (3, Interesting)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781972)

GA: At the end of the trial, the Progressive magazine lost a
small fortune, even though it managed to get the Morland article
published without censor. Essentially, it was a case of limited
private funds versus a bottomless pot of Government gold


I'm not sure where I stand on the article and its attempted censorship, but I am somewhat amused that one of its authors said the above. Doesn't it sound *exactly* like a typical right-wing diatribe against the government? The article in question was in the well known *leftist* magazine "The Progressive".

Where we've gone from there (5, Insightful)

phr2 (545169) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781985)

In 1979, The Progressive publishes an article on how to build H-bombs, and our courts hold that our right to free speech is so strong that the government can't do anything to stop the article. Barely 20 years later, Dimitri Sklyarov is arrested for publishing a program that reads copy-protected PDF files. Clearly, copyright infringement is a greater threat to humanity--or at least to politicians' campaign contributions--than H-bombs are.

Re:Where we've gone from there (1)

The Unabageler (669502) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782017)

publications may contain original ideas and original words...an h-bomb is phsyics. if newton didn't write down the rules of gravity someone else would've. anyone with sufficient knowledge of atomics can derive the methods of creating an h-bomb.

just playing devil's advocate...

Re:Where we've gone from there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782044)

Shut up dumbass...apples and oranges. Sheesh, simpleton.

Re:Where we've gone from there (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782109)

Nuclear weapons used by terrorists: 2 (Nagasaki & Hirochima)

copyright infringements: A whole lot more.

I find it not so strange that politicians have placed CI above nuclear terrorisme.

And, secondly, copyright holders pay much better to protect their rights, than you pay politician to protect your life.

Interesting Timing (5, Interesting)

Colymbosathon ecplec (729842) | more than 10 years ago | (#7781998)

Edward Teller, the Father of the H-Bomb, just died this September. From Wikipedia: "He also proposed many peaceful uses of nuclear technologies, including a project to carve out a harbor in Alaska by detonating a hydrogen bomb on the sea floor. While working for the Atomic Energy Commission in the late 1950s and 1960s, he proposed "Project Chariot", [wikipedia.org] in which hydrogen bombs would be used to dig a harbor more than a mile long and half a mile wide to provide a deep-water harbor for coal fields near Point Hope. Various factors, including opposition from the Inupiat people living near Point Hope and the fact that the harbor would be ice-bound nine months of the year, doomed the project."

Alaska Bugs Sweat Gold Nuggets [alaska-freegold.com]

usually I dont feed the trolls ... (4, Interesting)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782014)

BUT!

After actually downloading the article and reading the forbidden pages it seems to me that there are many things that need to be made a little clear to those who will comment without ever reading an iota of the article itself.

First off, Osama Bin Laden does not celebrate christmas. Christmas is a christian holliday in which the Muslim community does not celebrate. This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists just as it means not all catholics are repbuclicans. While Osama Bin Laden himself has been behind some of the worlds worst acts of terrorism, this should not reflect on all Muslims, and a bit of respect for other religions should be in place, but that would be a matter of decency and humanity.

Secondly the article itself states that this is in no means a "how-to". Reading this article will do nothing in comparison to going to school to learn about physics and chemistry. The article helps put in lamens terms what exactly is done with the creation of such devices. If you notice this article was supressed during the peak of the cold war. At a time when the US Government was playing shadow games by providing tidbits of information for mass consumption but never enough meat to chew on.

The government supressed this to make it seem that there was a large amount of complicated procedures and research being placed in their weapons of mass destruction and that they could load these weapons on the same rockets that sent men into space and ahniliate an entire Soviet city at will. Fair to say that creating an H-Bomb is in fact something that is not at all an easily accomplishment to undertake. While it may be possible to obtain the parts neccessary it still requires someone with a vast amount of knowledge to place all the ingredients together.

I don't think that Al Qaeda or any other terrorist faction will ever be able to design such weapons. I do however think that with the fall of the soviet union and other countries in massive recession that are in fact nuclear that they may be able to purchase said nuclear weapons of mass destruction. So did this article send us to code level orangish red? Nope, but something sure did.

I am not a sympathist by any means for terrorists or freedom fighters who surpass diplomatic measures to accomplish their goals by bringing death and destruction in its place. These people have lost a sense of equality and humanity and are in fact extremely horrible evil people. Should science be supressed because of fears, should we stop manufacturing cars because they are accessories to crimes (bank robberies, car bombs, etc.) NO.

Scientific innovations can be used for good or can be used for bad, it is a matter of the beholder of the information as to what will happen with it. This article meerly suggests that there is a procedure and massive science behind weapons of mass destruction, which is apparent that they are not meant to be used for good, yet will be used for killing and destruction. Think of the good the reasearch itself could be done if only the knowledge was used for good, and not as a weapon to bring death and destruction.

I think this is a prime example of how science for the sake of death is not good, but without the nuclear program we wouldn't have nuclear power. Without a means to deliever said weapons of mass destruction, we wouldn't have a space program. How a redundant communication line for launching said weapons could be used to create the network which has become the worlds internet. There is obviously positive ramifications for the research and design of these technologies, but does that excuse the original intent of the death and destruction even if it was never used to date for such a thing?

Short of WWII with Japan there has never been a nuclear attack on anyone from anyone in the world. Yet we as americans with our democratic control are responsible for this destruction of property and life, and we did it through our research and science.

Will our children forgive us, or curse us?

Nothing I didn't learn in Highschool Physics.... (3, Insightful)

Avihson (689950) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782018)

With all the whining about national security, I was expecting to see detailed blueprints. But instead we get poor quality diagrams. Hell, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, real plans for tested models are probably available on the international arms market for the right price, or even surplus parts. Or you can just pick them up from France, Sudan, or on the black market in Iraq.

I saw better diagrams in highschool textbooks from that era. Go to a use book store. The theory has been out there, but the precision parts and the highly toxic and radioactive components are just a trifle hard to come by.

I know that you alarmists believe that the local militia is going to hurry over to Ace Hardware and get all the supplies tonight to be the first one on the block to have their own H-Bomb. Can't let those Pinkoes and Furriners beat them to it.

Immediate Doom Of The Earth Predicted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782026)

With the internet, and the abililty to transmit knowledge anonymously, without repercussions, people will be able to leak information about things like genetic engineering, and eventally some madman will create a horrible disease that will kill everyone and everything.

This secret getting out is just a sign of what is to come.

Censored again (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782045)

Slashdot did what the gov't couldn't, they've censored the site. The site is down now, is the document mirrored anywhere?

Physics.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782078)

..is no secret....you need to smart/rich enough to develop, anyone thinking the H-bomb being a secret (or any nuclear/biological/chemical bombs) is kinda stupid.

Damn, just thinking...

are the alert levels rising because pherhaps someone will "give back" some of those NuclearBiologicalChemical weapons to the US (which is among one of those "rich/smart enough" to have developed and sold those weapons besides France and Germany)

?

Damn, many US administrators, I guess, can not comprehend you should not make money off of everything
(maybe selling those Weapons of Mass Deception is a lot less harmfull).

Merry Xmas

If the USA get's hit by a bomb with this (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782080)

I hope that michael gets convicted of treason and executed.

Read it its Funny as hell (1)

ConsoleDeamon (611610) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782155)

I annyone survives the prosses of makig an a bomb using that as a manual i be suprized. its more an way of saying that its not likley annyone can ewer can make annything like an a bomb in ther basement. I salute the men who made this article to get the public what its all about. ( and there is no way in hell you nebor is making one) PS you can however still get on on the black market.

slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7782175)

cmon guys, we need more slashdotters to crush their server into dust...

What to publish... (2, Interesting)

Snuffub (173401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7782178)

One of my professors was sued by the riaa for trying to publish a paper on SDMI. When they were threatening to sue he would always joke that he should have just been a physicist and published a paper on how to build a nuclear bomb, because we all know that at least that is legal.
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