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All I can say is... (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785243)

Yesssssssssssssss!!!

Re:All I can say is... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785396)

"Slashdot personals".

Don't make me laugh.

first post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785244)

happy xmas jon, and fuck you too mpaa. I hope santa leaves a huge fucking dump in your stocking you fucks.

YOU _FUCKING_ FAIL IT (-1)

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FPFPFPFP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785246)

FIRST POST SUCK MY DICK # mportant Stuff: Please try to keep posts on topic. # Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads. # Read other people's messages be

Re:FPFPFPFP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785316)

You, sir, are a chimp, a gibbon, a loser.

You claim "FIRST POST", but YOU FAIL IT.

Now, go put the kettle on and make a nice cup of tea, there's a good lad.

At last - now lets hope we can all move on (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785247)

Let us hope this finally means we have a right to decrypt data media which we own a licence to watch.

Common sense 1, recording industry, nil

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (5, Informative)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785301)

I've not read the verdict, but according the news reports, that is exactly what the court thinks. If it is yours, any obstacle towards using it is illegitimate and may be circumvented. It sounds quite good. But it may only last untill EUCD is implemented...

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (4, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785463)

But it may only last untill EUCD is implemented...

The UK EUCD implementation grants specific requirements that mean you must be allowed access to an unencrypted copy of the data if you have a legitimate reason for needing it... unforuntately the procedure for enforcement of this is ridiculously complicated (you must complain to the home secretary, IIRC).

I'm not sure how it'll work in norway, but I'd hope there would be some similar provision.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785474)

IIRC Norway is not a part of the EU.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785505)

Norway isn't part of the EU.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (1)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785526)

Doesn't matter. We have to implement their laws anyway. Trade agreements, you know.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785310)

I think you misunderstand what the case was all about. The ruling means that Jon did nothing wrong by creating software that cracked the DRM, not that anyone else has the right to use it. This is the same as trying to prosecute Merck or its chemists for creating Oxycontin. What people do with technology is not the responsibility of its creator.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (4, Insightful)

NickFitz (5849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785351)

Maybe it does, if you live in Norway...

From what I read here at /. those of you living in the USA shouldn't hold your breath as long as you have the motion picture and music industries controlling your legislature :-(

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (5, Informative)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785381)

The court also said that the limitations printed on each DVD was not legal and that they looked more like a private law addendum that severly limited your legal rights according to Norwegian Copyright laws. It also said there is a huge difference between copying a relatively brittle media like a CD compared to a more durable media like a book. The law gives you a clear and unstoppable right to make private backup copies and an encryption or copy protection schema is directly hindering you in executing your legal rights, hence Jon was aquitted.

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785485)

Here in the Netherlands they're not that forward : We've got the right to make duplicates for our own use, but the law did not think it important to make this an 'unstoppable' one. It effectivily gives us a right to do something, but anyone may try to hinder us at doing so. Talking about empty rights ... :-(

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (5, Informative)

arth1 (260657) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785391)

Let us hope this finally means we have a right to decrypt data media which we own a licence to watch.

It appears to mean just that in Norway, at least.

While Norway isn't a member of the European Union (EU), they are -- like Switzerland -- a member of the European Economic Cooperative (EEC), and laws are quite often synchronized across EU+EEC. This might have influence on, if not directly affecting, how EU laws will be interpreted.

EEC seems to be one of the three remaining venues of appeal for the MPAA and its lackeys in this case -- it's hard to imagine how this ruling could be anti-competitive in nature or otherwise impart European trade rules, but it's a possibility.

The case might also be escalated to the Norwegian supreme court, for a principal ruling. However, I am not sure that the MPAA would want that to happen, as that would be a definitive ruling affecting all similar cases in the future, and with the firm rulings of the two lower courts, it's highly unlikely that the Norwegian supreme court would rule differently.

The third venue of continued legal action would be to charge Mr Johansen according to US laws in the US, because the GUI for DeCSS that he published was made available on the US market. Let's hope that Mr Johansen has learned from the Skylarov case, and won't be stupid enough to visit the US in the near future.

Regards,
--
*Art

Re:At last - now lets hope we can all move on (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785437)

Let's hope that Mr Johansen has learned from the Skylarov case, and won't be stupid enough to visit the US in the near future.

Considering the policies towards the rest of the world lately and the europhobia frequently displayed by americans on this forum and others, why would -any- european want to visit the US these days?

Look at an official the wrong way or fail to salute a landmark and next stop is Cuba.

Why visit the U.S.? (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785461)

" why would -any- european want to visit the US these days?

Why else but to stock up on cheap Region 1 DVDs to take home and copy!

Norway vs EU (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785518)

Norway is a member of the EU.

Norway not a member of EU (0, Redundant)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785549)

According to the official European Union web site,
E.U. Online [eu.int] , Norway is neither on the typed-out list of nations, nor is it on the map. Perhaps this site is out of date.

Aftenposten article (-1, Redundant)

ZorroXXX (610877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785248)

Aftenposten has an english article here [aftenposten.no] .

Re:Aftenposten article (4, Informative)

bluedream (676879) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785260)

Umm.. wasn't that link posted in the article?

Re:Aftenposten article (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785320)

Dude, this is slashdot. You expect people to RTFA or even RTFP ?

You must be new here ....

Re:Aftenposten article (-1, Redundant)

ZorroXXX (610877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785430)

ehem, you are quite correct.

The thing is, I just read the news and was currently hearing it on radio when I see this new slashdot article about the case comming up with no posts attached yet. This gives me a little "maybe I can get the first post" kick and I just post the first and best english version of the news that I find. I did not notice that this also was linked in the article.

Probably a lame excuse though...

Re:Aftenposten article (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785265)

Good thing you repeated the URL to the article in the post. If not I am sure I would have missed it.

DVD Jon (1, Redundant)

funky_chiken (734744) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785249)

What more can we ask for christmas ?

Re:DVD Jon (5, Funny)

Soporific (595477) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785256)

More blank DVD's I would think.

~S

FP ON TEH SPKOE!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785250)

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Re:FP ON TEH SPKOE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785314)

Would someone please explain to me the origin and meaning of these 'ON TEH SPOKE' posts?

Thank you.

Re:FP ON TEH SPKOE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785354)

It roughly translates to "I HAVE FAILED IT".

Thaaverrmuhh.

Re:FP ON TEH SPKOE!! (-1, Offtopic)

marko123 (131635) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785385)

Maybe this from here [iniaes.org] ?

" OMFG have you seen the Halo 2 trailer it's like slow and it's telling you all the stuff you did in the first one then the music kicks in and and the chief comes out and gets a gun the earf is on fire and chief is like fuck this im jumping and HE JUMPS PUT OF TEH SPACESHIP with angels singing and he lands on the bad guys and that annoying ai lady is like GO GET EM TIGER! WILDCAT IS ON TEH SPOKE!!!~`1 and theres less polys but rawkin bumb mappings you can view this on a special MICROSOFT xbox disk that comes with EB games store.

I used to troll slashdot, when I actually had free time in the office, and one of my last was the above... which I wrote right after I saw the Halo 2 trailer. After I posted it, I took to leaving "WILDCAT IS ON TEH SPOKE" as a little "Jeff was here" (not on slashdot, as I just don't have the time anymore). However, someone who I pester with said phrase on a regular basis was kind enough to point out to me that I might have a little meme going."

excellent news (4, Interesting)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785257)

at least there's one country where corporate fascists cant buy everything. I hope the prosecuters are fired afterwards, wasting tax payer's money to shill for a bunch of scum bags in suits is hardly in the public interests.

Re:excellent news (5, Informative)

StupidGoose (650732) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785295)

IANALBIAAN.
(I am not a lawyer, but I am a Norwegian.)
Actually, I think the norwegian justice system is more corporation-friendly than the american one.
For example the MS anti-trust trial - it would never happen here. Inside trading, etc., is often ignored as well.

Re:excellent news (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785357)

As a norwegian, I can agree that in some ways, yes, it is more corporate-friendly. However,
the US and norway are two entirely different
countries and work in entirely different
scales. Being corporate-friendly in Norway
has a different meaning than being corporate-friendly in the US. Just
my 2 cents.

Re:excellent news (3, Informative)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785411)

well at least your appeals court doesnt whole sale agree with the corporatists. Here in the US, we have a company (directv) that will sue you simply for owning a smart card programmer. And unless you have a few hundred thousand dollars laying around handy, your only option is to get extorted for $2000 (i think thats the current amount they are extorting for). All because one greedy corporation decided that any one with a smart card programmer must be pirating their crap.

Thats the US (in)justice system for you. Of big business, by big business, and for big business.

Re:excellent news (1, Funny)

blankmange (571591) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785465)

Sounds like you have an issue -- were you targeted by DirecTv? Just out of curiosity, were you guilty of pirating their crap?

Warm Fuzzys (5, Interesting)

0mni (734493) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785262)

Does anyone else get a warm feeling when someone who didnt break a law DOESNT get convicted of it? Everyone breathe a sigh of relief now. Maybe we wont all get jailed if someone steals a knife from our home then kills someone else with it. Hurah for Freedom.

Re:Warm Fuzzys (2, Interesting)

Salgak1 (20136) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785303)

. . .but only if you keep your knives in a government-approved Knife Safe, otherwise you were "negligent". Even the butter knives.

It's a good thing we don't get ALL the Government we pay for: can you imagine policies like this with COMPETENT Government employees and enforcement ????

not fair -- best of out 5!! (5, Funny)

jdesbonnet (22) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785270)

Hey, do you think they'll give up after only two retrials?

Re:not fair -- best of out 5!! (5, Informative)

lars_stefan_axelsson (236283) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785318)

Hey, do you think they'll give up after only two retrials?

They have to. The next higher court (the "highest court") is the last stop. No case can go further. If the high court decides to hear it (as they probably should) then it becomes a precedent.

P.S. And they aren't retrials per se. The Norwegian, and Swedish, legal systems allow for a maximum of three trials in succedingly higher courts. And only the highest court can set a precedent.

Also, no plea bargains, no jury (only laypersons that sit for a longer term), no bail, and the state pays for your lawyer of choice who can claim according to a set (fairly generous) standard (there are no criminal attorneys that operate outside of that system).

Re:not fair -- best of out 5!! (4, Insightful)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785494)

"Also, no plea bargains, no jury (only laypersons that sit for a longer term), no bail, and the state pays for your lawyer of choice who can claim according to a set (fairly generous) standard (there are no criminal attorneys that operate outside of that system)."

So far I like this system much better than our (American) system. Can the State drown the defendant in prosecuting lawyers whereas the defendant is only entitled to one lawyer, or it is one prosecutor and one defender?

So what? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785274)

This case has absolutely no legal bearing in the USA.

Re:So what, So what's your fcking point ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785370)

The point is that DVD John isn't going to prison. Who's cares about what happens in the USA ?

Re:So what? (4, Funny)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785427)

And? Oh yes, I keep forgetting, the only things beyond the boundaries of the Great US are ghosts and vampires..

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785429)

You do know that not everyone lives in the USA, don't you?

So what? Not everyone lives in the USA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785449)

Duh!

Re:So what? Not everyone lives in the USA! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785467)

Only one country I can think of that would have the gall to call its national baseball championship The World Series......

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785481)

Maybe the MPAA will attempt to have Jon extradited and tried under the DMCA in the US. War with Norway may be coming...

Odd... (5, Funny)

IngramJames (205147) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785277)

Let me get this straight:
a court of law has ruled against the big media companies and for the little hacker guy who wrote a cool C++ program to let us all watch DVDs that we legally own?

Was Rod Sterling seen anywhere near the court, at all?

Re:Odd... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785298)

In Norway the tradition is for the courts to tell the big companies to fuck off.

A case with a faulty component in a VCR even landed in the supreme court and the "little guy" won.

The judges are not elected but hired and our politicians are not easily bought in a society with so few peope.

What they lack in corruptability they make up for in naivety, though, so it evens out.

Borg Arting (-1, Offtopic)

JustLikeToSay (651328) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785279)

What would it look like?

reverse engineering legal in Norway again (5, Interesting)

cluge (114877) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785280)

With this decision, perhaps people will be brave enough to go after the bad provisions of the DMCA. While intended to protect copyrighted material the DMCA has been used to stifle research, threaten researchers, prevent disclosure of security bugs and all but make reverse engineering illegal. I believe that the United States needs it's own "DVD-Jon" that will show people that the DMCA is an ill considered poorly written law. So far when the DMCA has been brought into force against teachers, the people pressing charges have backed down. Thus the law stands and there is no clear lightening rod get the publics attention.

The US needs a DVD-Jon - any takers?

AngryPeopleRule [angrypeoplerule.com]

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (3, Interesting)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785315)

I'd pity any American (Disclosure: i am an US citizen) who would take on the DVD-Jon role right now. Between the MPAA, RIAA, and Ashcroft and the republican regime, there probably would be no end to the dirty tricks and massive thought crime prosecution that would result. Hell its only a matter of time before people making mp3's are declared copyright terrorists and sentenced to lengthy jail terms in cuba :)

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (1)

Znork (31774) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785387)

"Hell its only a matter of time before people making mp3's are declared copyright terrorists and sentenced to lengthy jail terms in cuba :)"

Sentenced and jail terms? You must mean 'declared copyright terrorists, shipped off to Cuba and held indefinitely without a trial'.

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (1)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785563)


Cool! Actually it's pretty foggy and nasty here, and the girls wear too many clothes (and booze and cigars are way too expensive.) I wouldn't mind being shipped off to Cuba and staying there indefinitely without a trial.

Oh, I guess you mean that horrible resort hotel in Gargamo, wotsitcalled, not Club Med. :(

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (5, Insightful)

tommck (69750) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785550)

Between the MPAA, RIAA, and Ashcroft and the republican regime

Yes... there are NO democrats in support of the DMCA...

Let's see... the DMCA was proposed by DEMOCRAT Senator Fritz Hollings of South Carolina. A Democratically controlled Senate passed the law. (Granted, the house was Republican-controlled at that time.)
A DEMOCRAT President (Clinton) signed the DMCA into law...


Those damned Republicans!

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (1)

Locky (608008) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785566)

You're absolutely correct, although under King Bush III, the DMCA is the least of your troubles.

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (2, Insightful)

jorlando (145683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785434)

"The US needs a DVD-Jon - any takers?"

are you kidding? without dmca and under a more open atmosphere kevin mitnick was accused of being capable of start a nuclear war using a pay phone and a whistler and stoling code from sun that worth 1 billion (the prosecution said it, the same code that you could buy at the time around US$300)

the russian guy... the one that cracked adobe pdf, spent days in the jail without proper defense

with that paranoia what do you think that would happen to a DVD John in the US? the miserable fella would be charged of theft, terrorism (trying to break american companies out of business)...

IF he was tried probably would be in guantanamo...

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785468)

> The US needs a DVD-Jon - any takers?

His name was Dmitry Sklyarov [freesklyarov.org] .

Re:reverse engineering legal in Norway again (4, Insightful)

EinarH (583836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785493)

The US needs a DVD-Jon - any takers?
I can't think of why any sane person would want to take on such a case in US.

1. The risk is way too high. In Norway DVD-Jon risked _maximum theoretically_ two years in a nice prison and a fine of a 250000 NOK ($37000). In USA I would think that the stakes are significantly higher; several 5-10(?) years in prison and millions in expenses.

2. The lawyer cost in US would be much higher. The Norwegian state pays all of Mr. Johansens bills. In USA you would have had to sell your kidneys.

3. Judges and a expert jury ruled in this case. In USA the whole case would have been decided by a non-technical jury influenced by media and excellent RIAA/MPAA lawyers. Good luck.

It's not a retrial (5, Informative)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785281)

It's not really a retrial. IANAL (but I am Norwegian), but I think retrials happen when the Supreme Court finds that a lower court has messed up badly. This was an ordinary appeal process. In Norwegian courts, both parties can appeal, and the police appealed the previous acquittal, so it was sent to a higher court, which rejected the appeal.

It's not quite over yet, the police can appeal to the Supreme Court, which may or may not decide to hear it. The ultimate humiliation for the police would be if it was appealed but the Supreme Court decided not to hear it. But given the amount of beating the police has had in this case, they would be pretty fanatical to even think about appealing.

But yeah, it didn't take them too long, the case was apparently quite easy for the judges.

Re:It's not a retrial (5, Informative)

bwz (13374) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785344)

In US (I think this is from the UK legal tradition that they inherited) aquittal by Jury means no appeal for prosecution while in the "rest of the world" (where there are usually no juries) both prosecution and defense have more similar possibilities of appeal.

In at least Sweden (where I am from) aquittal by the jury means no appeal for the prosecutor, but jury trial is only used in "freedom of press" cases such as libel.

Further, It is not the police that prosecutes a case, but rather the "publics prosecutor" (I suppose like a district attourney in the US) or in this case a special "public prosecutor" tasked with a specific type of crimes.

These prosecutors work closely with the police though, and directs much of their work.

Erik

Good things about Norway (5, Interesting)

Nakanai_de (647766) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785292)

...or, more specifically, its judicial system:

The new ruling was made by a panel of three professional judges backed up by four lay judges, two of whom had technical expertise relevant to the case.

Why can't trials in the US (especially regarding technology) be overseen by judges with relevant expertise? Doesn't that seem like an obvious component of having a fair, just ruling?

Re:Good things about Norway (4, Informative)

EinarH (583836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785358)

Actually, one of the judge-experts was a guy from Linpro [linpro.no] , a Norwegian consulting firm and the leading Linux company in Norway.

In a case like this I would rather stand in front of a judge with a jury consisting of experts rater that "clueless" non-technical fellow citizens.

Re:Good things about Norway (2, Informative)

joonasl (527630) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785399)

I'm from Finland and I believe that the Norwegian justice sustem similarly to the Finnish one follows the Germanic juridic tradiotion, where the anglo-saxon "jury" institution is not widely used. In fact most of the judgements are passed by professional judges and in the few cases where a jury is used is in cases where the judgement is done by a panal of judges. The panel has allways more lawyers than laymen.

Re:Good things about Norway (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785477)

You're absolutely correct.

Furthermore, the system is not a confrontational one even if the newspapers would like it to seem that way because the whole thing looks more like a US drama series.

The prosecution is required to present all the evidence, both for and against, to the court. The defense is only required to defend the accused so in any courtroom, you have one and a half legal teams working for you.

Even more importantly, the judges are not elected and thus feel no pressure on making populistic verdicts. They judge from the law and apply their own common sense as to what the legislature "probably intended". Pleny of room for abuse of power but it has worked out great the past few hundred years.

Re:Good things about Norway (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785504)

Well... in good tradition. After all, most significant technical innovations are nordic ;-)


-Simula, no C++, Java, etc. without it (first OO language - norgwegian)

-Cheese slicer, essential(norwegian)

-Binders, essential (norwegian)

-Linux for fun (finnish)

-Refrigerator, for Coke and stuff (swedish)


etc, etc, etc.

Re:Good things about Norway (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785542)

"Why can't trials in the US (especially regarding technology) be overseen by judges with relevant expertise? Doesn't that seem like an obvious component of having a fair, just ruling?"

Not only that, but a jury of your peers as applied to white collar charges should require experience and knowledge in the white collar field. Only people in the field will have an adequate perspective to apply to the case.

After all, Joe Blow McDonald's cashier does not have adequate perspective to weigh such issues as decryption, and is far too vulnerable to prosecutorial nonsense.

No surprise here... (5, Informative)

tuxette (731067) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785293)

The prosecution didn't come up with anything new in this appeal, at least not anything that could contribute significantly to the case. It was a "no-brainer" for the judge and jury.

A few points that are in an article in Norwegian and not the English article (translated directly, I'm not responsible for journalists' errors):

  • 40-bit crypto is too weak (export maximum); you need a minimum of 64-bit; CSS is 16-bit
  • Johansen was not required to used "authorized" equipment to play the DVD.
  • You have the right to take a copy of the DVD for private use.
  • It is not illegal to break the copy-protection code.

Unfortunately, despite a second humiliation, I have a feeling they're going to appeal this to the Supreme Court. And waste more taxpayer's money.

I wonder if Inger Marie Sunde is going to take another "sabbatical" now, like last time hehe...

Next step (1)

PowerBert (265553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785294)

Now that's over the MPAA should be pushing for Jon to be arrested on grounds of wasting police time and tax payers money.

I'm sure the MPAA would be happy to testify against him. Lets see if we cant keep him on trial and out of crypto.

Perhaps the RIAA would like to step in with a European copyright directive suit for his anti Apple itunes behaviour?

The boy is a menace to society and the Amercians want their toys back. Someone put them back in the pram.

This post is to be taken with two large spoonfulls of sarcasm.

yeah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785300)

But I bet Jon is still a VIRGIN!

Next lawsuit already in planning.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785302)

Immediately after the trial, Oekokrim prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde commented:

Norway is a den of copyright criminals. Make no mistake; we in Oekokrim and our new best friends from the MPAA won't give up our holy fight to take avay the evil fair use rights from the Norwegian movie fans just because our holy cause suffered a minor setback today.

Indeed, another criminal right up Johansen's alley is already under investigation and will be brought to justice soon. This criminal mastermind is known as VHS-Lars [www.nrk.no] .

There is reason to believe he has has connections to Osama bin Laden, too.

yayy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785305)

since he's sucessfully ripped the mpaa or whatever off now he can work on apple and the riaa s00t s00t

fapfapfap

Few words to sum it up. (0)

tobybuk (633332) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785312)

Genie, bottle, flogging dead horse

Justice At Last (5, Insightful)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785337)

DVD Jon has done nothing wrong. Now it's official that he has done nothing illegal either. Fair play to him and his supporters, and sorry it's taken so long.

I think British copyright law, EUCD notwithstanding, explicitly allows what Jon did, but the wording is a bit convoluted and non-obvious and would need testing in court.

Still, it reaffirms the common-sense position that it is not a crime to use goods you own for their intended purpose, even if in the course of so doing you are required by circumstances to invent a tool.

Reverse engineering and Windows (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785340)

Does this open the way to reverse-engineering *any* software? Could we, for instance, go to Norway and reverse-engineer Windows?

While it is not particularly well-written software, I'm sure we could learn many things from the source code that we could use in Open Source Software/Free Software/GNU/Linux. I'm thinking specifically the GUI and Windows' tip-top TCP/IP stack.

Re:Reverse engineering and Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785353)

Are you seriously suggesting that his is not allowed in the US?

+1 - funny (1)

BigBadBri (595126) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785374)

Windows' tip-top TCP/IP stack.

The original bastardised BSD stack? Or have they got a new one that works properly?

Still, I'm sure it was a joke - only an Indian AC would use 'tip-top' seriously...

Re:Reverse engineering and Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785415)

do you have any idea what you're talking about? insightful? this is either someone for whom the answer to the first question is a definite "no" or a troll

Is this the final step? (0)

Kaemaril (266849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785348)

That means the lower court's decision will stand, at least until another eventual appeal takes the case to Norway's supreme court

Is it likely that this case will be appealled, or will the prosecution finally realize they're not backing a winner?

Re:Is this the final step? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785379)

Even if the prosecution does appeal, the supreme court can decide whether not to hear it.

I think it would be a good idea, actually, because the supreme court is able to set precedence for this type of thing.

One could speculate that the prosecution wants the supreme court to once and for all say that this type of thing is legal so the RIAA doesn't bitch to the Norwegian authorities every so often.

gnu millennium coincides with age of aquarius? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785395)

heard that won from a native american otter. seems as legitimate as anything we've seen from the corepirate nazi FUDgePacking 'media' receNTly?

Slashdot personals?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785401)

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Has the fat lady sung? (0, Redundant)

Amadodd (620353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785405)

Or is there scope in their legal system for another go at him?

Some nice things from the verdict (4, Informative)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785408)

I haven't yet read the verdict, but some details seems to come out now. From the largish norwegian paper VG [www.vg.no] , I'm trying a translation:
DVD-films are stored on a medium which is prone become damaged. For that reason, it is very different to copy a movie from a book or a periodical, it says in the verdict.

The court also makes clear that a prohibition against copying as printed on the film cover will limit consumer's legitimate rights as granted by section 12 of the copyright code.

"This practice can be compared to private legislation, and can disturb the balance between interests that the law builds upon," said the judge.

This is good, especially the last paragraph. Apparently, the verdict makes it clear that the film industry is infringing on people's rights, not the other way around. It also makes it clear that any "you owe us your first-born" licenses or restrictions is null and void, and even ought to raise some eyebrows with legislators. It makes it clear that the entertainment industry is trying to take legislator's jobs away from them, by themselves setting all the rules. That ought to make legislators slightly upset, I would assume...

Well Done DVD-Jon .... (4, Informative)

leoaugust (665240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785413)

Well Done DVD-Jon

Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing, great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. [brainyquote.com]

There is a beautiful Gallery of CSS descramblers by Dr. David S. Touretzky (Carnegie Mellon University). [cmu.edu]

His site is a gallery devoted to representations of a piece of software that has been deemed illegal because it can be used to break through the copy-protection system on DVD movies. [princeton.edu]

"It never occurred to me that someone would actually try to prevent people from publishing code that they wrote," he said. "The idea just struck me as so deeply offensive that I felt I had to do something about it."

To make his point about free speech, he offered several exhibits from his gallery, including a description of the DeCSS code in plain English and a T-shirt on which the code was printed -- both of which could be considered illegal under the copyright act.

Copyrights (-1, Offtopic)

gumout (690852) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785418)

SCO is depending on a flaw in the GPL:

Title 17 - COPYRIGHTS
Chapter 2 - Copyright Ownership and Transfer
Sec. 205. Recordation of transfers and other
documents(e) Priority Between Conflicting Transfer
of Ownership and Nonexclusive License. - A
nonexclusive license, whether recorded or not,
prevails over a conflicting transfer of copyright
ownership if the license is evidenced by a written
instrument SIGNED by the owner of the rights
licensed or such owner's duly authorized agent,
and if -
(1) the license taken before execution of
the transfer;
or
(2) the license was taken in good
faith before recordation of transfer and without
notice of it.

Everything contributed by Caldera etc. to Linux
under the UNSIGNED nonexclusive GPL prior to the
present SCO's purchase (transfer of ownership)
from Novell is eliminated by sec 205(e) from the
protection of the GPL under the Copyright Act.The
GPL is a binding contract held in public trust
though. So SCO still loses. IBM knows this e.g.
read their Amended Counterclaims.

Re:Copyrights (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785510)

Title 17 - COPYRIGHTS
Chapter 2 - Copyright Ownership and Transfer
[...]
Everything contributed by Caldera etc. to Linux
under the UNSIGNED nonexclusive GPL prior to the
present SCO's purchase (transfer of ownership)
from Novell is eliminated by sec 205(e) from the
protection of the GPL under the Copyright Act.


1. The GPL is not a transfer of copyright ownership, which is what this law refers to. It is a licence. Licences do not have to be signed, otherwise you'd need Bill Gates' signature in order to run a copy of Windows.

2. WTF does this have to do with Jon Johanssen?

Will there ever be... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785420)

...a Microsoft-Jon?


Let's cross our toes and fingers.

Good, but... (4, Insightful)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785432)

This is good. Very good news. BUT, this is in Norway, and it does not change much for those of us in the US. Yes it does help, because if he was prosecuted, then the MPAA would have won outright, but because he was not, the rock has been chipped. Now only if the US courts would see it as logically as the Norse courts do, then all would be grand. Then again, nothing here is ever done logically. I can't wait for this to really impact the MPAA.

Re:Good, but... (0)

robtm (199348) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785512)

Norse court? Did someone travel back in time for a viking trial?
Norwegian is the term we use today.

Oh for the love of... (5, Funny)

Locky (608008) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785436)

And I just registered freedvdjon.com !
Who would have thought the courts would rule correctly? :(

Re:Oh for the love of... (1)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785470)

Don't worry about it.

Just add 'with 2 proofs of purchase of a copy of DeCSS'

I have trouble seeing how anyone would ever match that--even if someone did sell it, you'd only need one copy. On the other hand, if someone ever sent you the two bar codes, you'd better make sure you have some rope, duct tape, and a mighty big Norwegia-sized shipping crate ready.

Should be able to copy our own DVD's (5, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785447)

We should be able to copy our own DVD's, especially in countries like Canada, where if you buy a blank DVD*R, you pay a tax on it based on the assumption that you WILL copy. In places like this, if you are allowed to copy, you are getting your money's worth for the tax.

DeCSS (1)

tacocat (527354) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785458)

Does this mean that I can once again google openly for a copy of decss or maybe even find it as part of a package/rpm/deb/tgz?

If all else fails... (2, Funny)

the_ph0x` (170740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785479)

The Chewbacca Defense:

Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee -- an eight foot tall Wookiee -- want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

But more importantly, you have to ask yourself: what does that have to do with this case?

Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense.

And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Backups allowed (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785503)

The whole verdict can be found here (norwegian): "http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=206926"

"a DVD-record is a fragile media that may be damaged, thus the buyer must be entitled to make a copy, for-instance of a film that he wants to preserve".

technical expertise (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785545)

The new ruling was made by a panel of three professional judges backed up by four lay judges, two of whom had technical expertise relevant to the case.

Read: NERDS :)
He had to win :)
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