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Distributed Computing "Advances"

Hemos posted more than 10 years ago | from the yet-more-clock-cycles dept.

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Quirk writes "NewScientist is reporting on..."Software to be launched in January will let PC users run as many "distributed computing" projects as they like. The program will let PC users search for aliens, help predict climate change and perform advanced biological research - all at the same time."'It is called the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC). BOINC acts like a software platform that can run a number of screen-saver style applications on top of the PC's own operating system.'"

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GNAA Announces acquisition of SCO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785519)

GNAA Announces acquisition of SCO
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SCO and the associated SCO logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of The SCO Group, Inc. in the U.S. and other countries. UNIX and UnixWare are registered trademarks of The Open Group in the United States and other countries. All other brand or product names are or may be trademarks of their respective owners.

This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to uncertainty and changes in circumstances. Actual results may vary materially from the expectations contained herein. The forward-looking statements contained herein include statements about the consummation of the transaction with SCO and benefits of the pending transaction with SCO. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described herein include the inability to obtain regulatory approvals and the inability to successfully integrate the SCO business. GNAA is under no obligation to (and expressly disclaims any such obligation to) update or alter its forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.


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Linux Sends Second Warning Letter to SCO Users (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785529)

By STEVE LOHR

The Linux Group plans to announce today that it is escalating its campaign to collect license fees from corporations using the SCO operating system, with warning letters to the companies. Supporters of SCO, including I.B.M. and other companies, say that Linux's interpretation of its claim over SCO is exaggerated.

The letters, dated Friday, are the second round that Linux has sent to corporate users of SCO. Linux sent letters to 1,500 companies in May, warning them that it contended that SCO had violated its intellectual property rights. Linux owns the rights to the Unix operating system. The company asserts that SCO, a variant of Unix that is distributed free, violates Linux's license and copyright.

The new letters, signed by Ryan E. Tibbitts, Linux's general counsel, name more than 65 programming files that "have been copied verbatim from our copyrighted Unix code base and contributed to SCO."

The letters focus on application binary interfaces, the programming hooks by which a software application gains access to the underlying operating system. "We believe these violations are serious, and we will take appropriate actions to protect our rights," the letters state.

Letters asserting copyright violations in SCO are being sent to several hundred of its corporate users. Linux, based in Lindon, Utah, is also sending letters to many of its 6,000 Unix licensees requiring them to certify in writing that they are complying with Linux licenses, a company executive said. Linux's Unix licensees are asked to certify that none of their employees or contractors have contributed any Unix code to SCO.

The warning letters come after David A. Boies, a lawyer representing Linux, said on Nov. 18 that the company intended to single out and sue a large corporate user of SCO within three months.

The letters include an olive branch as well as a threat. "Once you have reviewed our position," the SCO letter said, "we will be happy to further discuss your options and work with you to remedy this problem."

Linux began its SCO campaign last March, when it sued I.B.M., the leading corporate champion of SCO. Linux, seeking $1 billion in damages, has accused I.B.M. of illegally contributing Unix code to SCO. I.B.M. has denied the charges.

On Dec. 5, a federal district judge in Utah ordered that within 30 days, Linux had to show the court and I.B.M. the SCO code to which Linux claims it has rights and where I.B.M. has infringed upon it.

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This is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785522)

There is NO FARKING way this is the first post, none at ALL.

I fail it. I welcome my first post overlord.

Re:This is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785538)

you sir definitely failed it.
to GNAA.

Movin' High-Tech to China! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785523)

Movin' High-Tech to India! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785584)

You've got unemployment! [com.com]

pretty sweet (3, Informative)

lotas (177970) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785532)

im already running boinc on a few of the machines at home and work and it works cool. i especially like the built in queing and multi processor support.

Re:pretty sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785555)

Its not released until January then :D Where did you get it

Re:pretty sweet (5, Informative)

lotas (177970) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785565)

they have a beta test on their site (http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/ap/). i just downloaded it, setup an account on the site and it works.

Re:pretty sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785627)

Well, I for one OWN MY computer...if ya want to use MY processor power for YOUR projects better PAY me or back off.

Re:pretty sweet (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785677)

Actually, you have a good point.

These programs are not really cost free to run.

If you have a UPS with a power use meter and you launch something that is very processor intensive, you'll actually see the power use go up on the UPS.

That power isn't free, it might only be a few cents now, but it does add up over time.

Re:pretty sweet (1)

Dorothy 86 (677356) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785856)

Call me ignorant, and no, i didnt RTFA, but wouldnt running different ones slow itself, and the others down? causeing there to be less progress made in each individual one?

Re:pretty sweet (1)

lotas (177970) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786119)

if you meen running two tasks at a time, yea it would slow it down, unless your on a dual processor system. but im not sure if i get what you mean.

About Time! (5, Funny)

Joe U (443617) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785533)

Finally, a source for my advanced alien biological climate change program!

Re:About Time! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785603)

Forgot the "Muhahahahahah" at the end of that.

Re:About Time! (1)

xaoslaad (590527) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785672)

Don't make me enlist Rowdy Roddy Piper to kick your ass! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/

Re:About Time! (5, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785742)

Ah - but will it let you use any spare cycles to do some work in the background?

Re:About Time! (3, Funny)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785798)

"Finally, a source for my advanced alien biological climate change program!"

Oh god, I sense a new cliched Slashdot joke about to be born. Beowulf cluster overlords profiting in Soviet Russia, step aside!

Huh? (0, Redundant)

vigilology (664683) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785534)

FTA: But until now, it has only been possible to subscribe to one of these services at a time.

I have news for them.

Wont we get this in longhorn with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785535)

NUMA and networkable memory?

I can then allocate to share X MB's of ram sure the latency will be shity but its there to be pooled to those permitted to access it. A boon for clustering.

Re:Wont we get this in longhorn with... (4, Insightful)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785639)

NUMA is great for dedicated machines, but general purpose machines lending out RAM to other systems? Get real, you'd be better off with a BFO page space.

Remote RAM has to be instantly available and it can't go away. Shitty isn't the word for it when we're talking about using general purpose networking kit like gigabit for NUMA. Utterly unusable and waste of time are the best words to describe it. You need SCI, Myrinet or similar to get shitty performance.

Re:Wont we get this in longhorn with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785663)

Well, thats whats comming, the ability to share ram over a network, shitty or not. Now if its standardized that means we could mix and match any machine on a network and pool ram.

Re:Wont we get this in longhorn with... (1)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785818)

It's a pointless exercise. People use RAM because it's fast. NUMA RAM is *not* fast, in fact, unless you are using a high performance, low latency proprietary network it's slower than paging to local disk. It's just like running an NFS paging space and that's just horrible.

For dedicated servers with high performance interconnects it sucks pretty badly compared to local RAM, for general purpose desktops and servers over ethernet and oh my god TCP/IP on top it's just taking the piss.

Re:Wont we get this in longhorn with... (2, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785871)


Well, in fairness to NUMA it allows a shared memory pool and single system image. These fancy SGI Linux machines with loads of CPUs running a single system image wouldn't exist without NUMA.

NUMA memory may be slower than RAM but it's far faster for interprocessor communications and shared RAM than is a beowulf cluster (which doesn't do shared RAM afaik)

What happens if we combine the applications? (4, Funny)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785536)

Does this mean that now we'll be mapping het the genome of aliens with AIDS?

First distributed project (5, Funny)

questamor (653018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785541)

The first project underway in BOINC is to have everybody's machine submit news about BOINC to slashdot, which is so far happening succesfully. This is the first dupe of many.

All-time best distributed computing app (5, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785553)

The first and easily the best known is SETI@home, which since 1999 has enlisted half a million people to analyse data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, looking for signs of alien life.

Better than Seti@home and BOINC: Yeti@home [phobe.com] .

Good news for standards (5, Informative)

Palverone (166646) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785554)

Even though you *can* do multiple projects at one time, you have to run seperate applications (if I'm correct) so this would be a good integration into one application that handles multiple projects and allows your machine to be used more efficiently.

Re:Good news for standards (1)

gustgr (695173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785592)

I belive the great achievement will come when it supports multi processors. I don't know much about clustering, but is it possible to run a program like that on a Linux cluster for example ? And how about those Intel Hyper Threading processors ?

one big effort (5, Funny)

sosegumu (696957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785573)

Have you ever thought that the internet is just one giant 'distributed computing' effort to find pr0n?

Re:one big effort (1)

snatchitup (466222) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785680)

yes! Thanks gnutella!

I'm going Japanese!

Re:one big effort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785855)

it's called The Hun [thehun.com] .

Who is Benefiting? (3, Insightful)

Famatra (669740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785575)

I was interested in the folding protein project, but are the results open to the public (like the human geneome project) free of charge, or will someone making a buck off *my* computing power?

With all the distributed computing projects out there be sure to read the fine print, if your going to use your computer for a project make sure its helping everyone instead of a few corporations make $.

Re:Who is Benefiting? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785615)

From the Folding@home website FAQ:

"Who "owns" the results? What will happen to them?

Unlike other distributed computing projects, Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.
Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site."

http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding /

Re:Who is Benefiting? (1)

sosegumu (696957) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785682)

Yeah...and it could be worse. If Real Player were running a 'distributed computing' project, they would probably charge you for them to use your computer.

Re:Who is Benefiting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785730)

Who is benefiting? The obvious answer is YOU.

One day this project may aid in a cure and save YOUR life. Start folding now.

Double work (3, Interesting)

enodev (692876) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785577)


"Keeping track of how much work everybody has done is one of the prime motivations," says Anderson. BOINC checks this by farming out each problem twice and comparing the results. "If the answers are different we have to assume that one of those parties may have cheated," he says.

So the whole work has to be done twice for the sake of correctness. I think they should introduce some trusted user mode, let's say, so that results from users who have invested a certain amount of cpu time should be trusted or at least not every received result double checked. Just every n'th packet or so and if it's invalid they have to recheck all unchecked packets. I guess this would reduce double work a lot as there is normaly only a minority of users who's trying to cheat.
Does this sound sane?

Re:Double work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785641)

sounds good to me, it could work much as the moderation points @/.

Re:Double work (4, Insightful)

jkcity (577735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785715)

Double results and checking also helps to capture random errors i would guess as well though, not just cheating.

I'm afraid this will be the end of my SETI years (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785586)

I've always had some mild reservations about running the closed-source SETI code, but convinced myself it wasn't an unreasonable exposure. A meta-app that exists to download yet more closed-source code without telling me... nope, that's over the line. Sorry, lil' green guy, but this is too much to ask.

(signed) a top 1% setiathome client.

Re:I'm afraid this will be the end of my SETI year (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785851)

A meta-app that exists to download yet more closed-source code without telling me...

Sounds like Windows Update on the automatic setting. :^)

BOINK (4, Funny)

Dylan2000 (592069) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785598)

Wouldn't it make more sense if they'd chosen a last word beginning with a K?

Boinking aliens and cancer with my computer? Sign me up!

Re:BOINK (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785674)

Wouldn't it make more sense if they'd chosen a last word beginning with a K?

I'm looking forward to the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Networking GNOME (BOING). Maybe they could get Berke Breathed to design the mascots for it.

Bill Watterson: off by a letter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785819)

Overuse of "quotation marks" (4, Funny)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785599)



Using "quotation marks" in the "wrong places" makes everything you "say" seem "suspicious".. Like you're trying to "pull one over" on the "reader" by insinuating theres a double "meaning" to the "word" in "quotes"..

Hate to be a grammar Nazi, but, the the whole quotation mark thing is a pet peeve. :)

Cheers,

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785643)

"Hate to be a grammar Nazi, but, the the whole quotation mark thing is a pet peeve. :)"

"the the" ??

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (1)

donnyspi (701349) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785773)

Using all those quotes reminds me of Chris Farley's character Bennett Brauer (spelling?) on SNL.

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (2, Funny)

RevMike (632002) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785817)

Using "quotation marks" in the "wrong places" makes everything you "say" seem "suspicious".. Like you're trying to "pull one over" on the "reader" by insinuating theres a double "meaning" to the "word" in "quotes".

You're absolutely "right", nothing annoys "me" more than overuse of this "technique". I "literally" claw my eyes out everytime someone "misuses" quotes.

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785824)

That's not the whole quotation mark thing. Air-quotes are a seperate species of pet peeve.

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (1)

bj8rn (583532) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786158)

"sentence structure" [google.com]

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (1)

smitty45 (657682) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786159)

But in this case, it's correct, because the intention is to place suspicion on the word 'advances'.

Maybe you ought to make a new year's resolution to reduce the number of things that bother you. It'd be better on the rest of us who are constantly reading your dumb pet peeves. Hate to be a grammar Nazi my ass, you love it.

Re:Overuse of "quotation marks" (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786196)

Your suggesting, then, that bold-faced type or other forms of often inappropriately-selected HTML markup is a superior method of adding emphasis or delineating portions of one's comments?

I'd submit that quotation marks are preferrable for two reasons. First, they're subtle. No has anything so important to say that it requires bold type or some nutty indentation. Second, the use of italics (the only remaining option as no one seems to get usenet-styled astersisks and underscores) not only requires one to use something other than "plain old text" but also is frequently difficult to read on screen. Which is where we're all reading it, right?

So "there."

YAPSFUAS (3, Funny)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785601)

Yet Another Project Suffering From Unfortunate Acronym Syndrome.

seti@home wasnt the first distributed process (5, Informative)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785606)

typical reporters fscked their facts in the story.

qoute "The first and easily the best known is SETI@home, which since 1999 has enlisted half a million people to analyse data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, looking for signs of alien life. [newscientist.com] "

I believe distributed.net's [distributed.net] client was the first program of its type to download information from a remote server, use idle cpu cycles to calculate whatever, then resubmit it back to the central server. I ran distributed.net back in 98, more then a year before seti came out.

Re:seti@home wasnt the first distributed process (2, Informative)

dcw3 (649211) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785838)

According to their site [berkeley.edu] the first release was on 6/8/98. Not sure if distributed.net was before that, but you weren't running it "more then a year before seti".

They were way off on the user stats by nearly an order of magnitude. The statistics [berkeley.edu] page shows over 4,800,000 users.

Re:seti@home wasnt the first distributed process (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786242)

"We know this method works! On 19 October 1997 at 1325 UTC, we found the correct solution for RSA Labs' 56-bit secret-key challenge. (That's RC5-32/12/7 56-bit for you stats junkies.) The key was 0x532B744CC20999, and it took us 250 days to locate."

IOW d-net started more than a year before SETI@HOME.

Re:seti@home wasnt the first distributed process (4, Funny)

stevey (64018) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785941)

I'm not sure that I can prove this, but I created a distributed client of sorts in 1997.

It was a java applet which ostensibly did some cute" image animation, back when such things were new and fun to write.

What it actually did was download from my server the latest value of PI and try to compute more digits. When the applet was destroyed it submitted its result to the server.

It was fun watching the result get gradually longer and longer with no effort on my part just due to people who were interested in my webpages.

Maybe it should have been advertised, but I took pleasure knowing what was going on ..

No, it's been around for decades. (1)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786165)

We're talking about network queueing systems here.

General purpose queueing systems have been around a loong loong looooonngg time; 20, 30, 40 years. Distributed.net and SETI simply expanded the concept to include other people's computers. Hell, NASA produced a freely available and popular one in the 80s called NQS which is still available.

I have to laugh at the thought that all this "Grid" and distributed stuff is new.

Re:seti@home wasnt the first distributed process (2, Informative)

Darkness Productions (143908) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786213)

the GIMPS project has been around longer than both of them, and unless I'm mistaken, is the longest running DC project currently available.

Virus maker excuse (5, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785618)

Judge: "What do you have to say about the virus you created, young man?"

Virii writer: "It wasn't a virus, your honor. It was really a non-permission-based propagation model for a distributed computing application that involved producing the results of decreased uptime and further propagation of the non-permission-based distributed application."

Didn't see anyone else post this yet... (4, Informative)

xaoslaad (590527) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785634)

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

I didn't see it in the story either. Pardon me please if I'm just blind/illiterate

Skeptical (4, Funny)

Root Down (208740) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785642)

... because we all know that no really good concept in computing has ever come out of Berkeley. ;)

Re:Skeptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785788)

At least not anything that wasn't stolen from SCO.

What I'd like to see (4, Interesting)

elliotj (519297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785654)

I'd like to see a distributed computing app that can be used to both do the work (like the current ones do), AND optionally have the ability to submit a task. This way you could have a world wide supercomputer that everybody would have a chance to employ. Very few people would probably use it, but it would be very interesting to see the ways in which different people put it to use.

An Open Agent-based Distributed System (3, Interesting)

Seek_1 (639070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785718)

I've been thinking about something like this all semester in my Distributed Computing class.

What I'd really like to see is a system setup where you have a network of clients, any of whom can dispatch an agent across the system that consumes resources to accomplish some goal.

Obviously there would have to be some sort of non-malicious code signing or sandboxing going on within the system, as well as forcing the agents to consume proportional resources (ie the more time/space/bandwidth you give to the sytem, the more you can consume)... either way it's still a neat idea that I'd be eager to participate in...

It'd be a little more exciting that Folding at anyrate.. :)

My Folding@Home Team [stanford.edu]

Re:What I'd like to see (1)

mo^ (150717) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786093)

Isnt this what GRID is about? It may not be, i dont know, but i can't be arsed to find a link and check for myself...

Wait, Isn't that what MS Operating Systems For? (2, Funny)

KyootFox (209674) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785659)

BOINC acts like a software platform that can run a number of screen-saver style applications on top of the PC's own operating system.
Sounds like Internet Explorer to me... Can't get much more "distributed" than the virii hiway of MS Products! And the nice thing is you don't even have to trouble the user to install your clients...

Obligatory Calvin And Hobbes (3, Funny)

devnullkac (223246) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785661)

Scientific progress goes 'BOINC'?


Re:Obligatory Calvin And Hobbes (1)

klokwise (610755) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785806)

bizarre... duplicate article [slashdot.org] gets a duplicate comment [slashdot.org] .

Re:Obligatory Calvin And Hobbes (3, Funny)

philbert26 (705644) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786073)

bizarre... duplicate article gets a duplicate comment.

No, that's part of the BOINC process, you do everything twice to make sure it's right.

Multiple Projects on the same machine (5, Insightful)

Seek_1 (639070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785673)

This really isn't as good as you might think.

Most distributed computing projects are distributed because they need massive amounts of CPU cycles. Running multiple projects on one machine isn't going to make the projects faster since the same amount of CPU cycles are now being divided up amongst the number of projects that you're running. Infact it'll actually be less because now the machine has to deal with the overhead of switching between project processes.

On the other hand it might make sense if you were running a CPU-intensive project and a data-intensive project at the same time (ie projects that will maximize separate non-conflicting resources on the same machine..)

My Folding@Home Team [stanford.edu]

Re:Multiple Projects on the same machine (1)

Seek_1 (639070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785829)

Pre-emptive response to any RTFA posts.

I realize that BOINC won't necessarily be running projects concurrently on one client machine, but the point remains the same. There is not a very significant advantage to having something like this. It's not like Stanford is running out of data for Folding@Home.. (which would be the only reason that you would need to switch projects..)

Re:Multiple Projects on the same machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785965)

I have not RTFA myself but I think the projects also makes it eaisier for developers. Having an SDK for distributed code. Thats the big strength.

Distributed Computing OR my time is NOT free (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785683)

Well....the processors in my computers are OWNED by me. I pay the electricity bills to operate them, and YOU want to use my processor time for FREE ?? I dont think so, pony up some cash or keep your distributed clients, thank you.

Re:Distributed Computing OR my time is NOT free (2, Insightful)

Seek_1 (639070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785780)

I suppose contributing to the collective good doesn't turn your crank then does it?

Re:Distributed Computing OR my time is NOT free (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785977)

"Well....the processors in my computers are OWNED by me. I pay the electricity bills to operate them, and YOU want to use my processor time for FREE ?? I dont think so, pony up some cash or keep your distributed clients, thank you."

I run SETI on my PC all the time. Its cheaper for me to leave the computer on at all times and use it to maintain a consistent temperature during the winter with it than to crank on than the apartment's electrical heater... :)

Re:Distributed Computing OR my time is NOT free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7786092)

I guess that's why its called volunteerism? I couldn't begin to calculate the number of good causes out there that rely on volunteers. Although I find the idea of searching for ET's a waste of time, there are several medical research projects that you could donate your spare cycles to.

A good place to start:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/f olding/

What was that? (2, Funny)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785698)

Oh...that was the sound of a million auxiliary generators being turned on to counter the increased power needs of all these processors.

STI - Haven't Found Any Yet (4, Funny)

Boricle (652297) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785704)

I always thought that it was the

Search For Terrestrial Intelligence [totl.net]

I know I've been struggling... have you found any? Will this help?

Jorn Wittenberger (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785727)

Jorn Wittenberger's Askemos project may be intresting for you.

wow!! (1)

billyforgot (734759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785746)

this is amazing....i can't believe ive never heard about this before....on slashdot....oh wait...

Flexibility at the cost of speed? (2, Insightful)

Dan Crash (22904) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785754)

I know one of the reasons they created BOINC is that the current SETI@home clientbase is very rigid and can only process data from one telescope -- Aricebo. I also know that the commandline client is tons faster than the screensaver-based client. Is BOINC's flexiblity going to end up making BOINC clients slower than the current dedicated clients?

Re:Flexibility at the cost of speed? (2, Insightful)

Loosewire (628916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785827)

is that that the screensaver is only less efficient when displaying its graphs?? how does it compare to the command line versin once the screensaver switches to go to blank mode (thats a setting directly in the screensaver not just a power save of the monitor....)

Re:Flexibility at the cost of speed? (1)

andyb2083 (734615) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786086)

how does it compare to the command line versin once the screensaver switches to go to blank mode

I'm not sure what happens when the screensaver switches off. However, I do know that when using SETI@Home on a P4c (with HT) and the SETI window is brought to the front, the processor usage shoots up from 50% to 100%. Maybe this is due to a separate thread being spawned that can be used on the second logical processor. I'm not sure.

This is one thing I would like about the new system, the ability to run more than one instance of SETI at a time. I have tried and failed to get two copies to run together on different logical processors.

Other distributed projects (5, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785757)

I'm sure that spammers will be registering their distributed spam/DDoS zombies [theregister.co.uk] real soon. Why sneak the software onto machines when you can get people to sign up for it if you provide fancy ratings and team standings? Throw in some t-shirts and blue pills and they're gold!

Scientific progress (0, Redundant)

drpentode (586437) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785843)

Scientific progress goes BOINC!

/a donut to whoever knows that reference. :)

Re:Scientific progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785947)

C&H

Re:Scientific progress (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786200)

Ooo! Ooo! From the previous post further up the page? [slashdot.org] When do I get my donut?

Curing AIDS, finding aliens, predicting weather... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7785901)

is there anything BOINC-ing can't do?

Re:Curing AIDS, finding aliens, predicting weather (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786001)

"is there anything BOINC-ing can't do?"

Yeah, Boinc can't transform Michael Jackson from a homosexual pedophile (to use Norm MacDonald's term) into a normal upstanding citizen... :)

Re:Curing AIDS, finding aliens, predicting weather (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786236)

"is there anything BOINC-ing can't do?"

Yeah, Boinc can't transform Michael Jackson from a homosexual pedophile (to use Norm MacDonald's term) into a normal upstanding citizen... :)


Well,

Michael Jackson == Boy Inc.

Roomful of computers == Boinc.

Coincidence? I think not.

Re:Curing AIDS, finding aliens, predicting weather (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786198)


If there was more BOINC-ing, there would be less war.

Compared to OGSA? (2, Interesting)

jonasmit (560153) | more than 10 years ago | (#7785994)

This may be great for a few high profile applications that users are willing to support. But the Globus Toolkit OGSA project has higher ambitions OGSA [globus.org] and arguably a better chance of making a difference in the next generation of the WWW.

graphics and Boinc (2, Interesting)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786029)

From my understanding, Boinc uses OpenGL to unload the screensaver graphics off the main processor's load and onto the graphics card GPU just like how Mac OS X accelerates its GUI graphics (or how Longhorn will do it with DirectX). Too bad Boinc can't uses the GPU like what was covered here on Slashdot under the BrookGPU project yesterday...

Bonic development (1)

mofochickamo (658514) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786068)

I downloaded bonic in January 2003 after reading Prey [amazon.com] by Michael Crichton. You have to read a lot of documentation to get going because you must work within their framework. After fiddling for several hours I gave up, because I didn't think many people would bother to run my distributed "Hello, World" application. You see, each client computes the ASCII value for a character in the string, the server then reasembles them and prints it on the server. It greatly reduces the work required to display output on the console.

SIC@HOME (3, Funny)

Mawbid (3993) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786133)

Much more interesting than SETI@HOME is the SIC@HOME [gamma.nic.fi] project, the search for incredible coincidences.

A radio tuned to static is used to feed a stream of random data to a soundcard. The data is used to construct an image, and in the incredibly unlikely event that this image matches a predetermined image, you've proven that the universe is infinite! :-)

Don't forget to check out the url of the "What is SIC@HOME?" page.

What I want to do to the girl in the /. personals (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786178)


ad that we see alot of now -- is to BOINC her.

Alas, nothing but fodder for the all the stalker fantasies of my fellow slashdotters.

Java Applet distributed computing (4, Insightful)

DeepDarkSky (111382) | more than 10 years ago | (#7786241)

I thought a long time ago, why not make distributed computing applications as Java Applets hosted on web servers?

Pros:
- Nothing to "install".
- Cross platform (write it once, run it everywhere, right?)
- Easy to use (just browse)

Cons:
- Speed.
- Full featured screen saver not possible?
- uh...speed?

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