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Worst Gaming Decisions Of 2003 Rated

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the boo-and-hiss dept.

PlayStation (Games) 120

Thanks to GameSpot for their feature rating some of 2003's videogames that deserve negative awards. Some of the 'winners' among this motley crew of letdowns include most pretentious game awarded to Namco's Xenosaga Episode I: Der Wille zur Macht ("a game that takes itself far too seriously"), most disappointing title to Capcom's Devil May Cry 2 ("a complete letdown in the face of the first game's genius"), and flat-out worst game to Activision Value's Gods And Generals ("looks and sounds absolutely horrendous.")

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George's Iraq simulator (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7788768)

The worst thing was when Dick Cheney gave George W Bush an "Iraq War" PC game. No one has the heart to tell him yet that it's real, not a game (and that turkey trip was not just some amazing VR from the Halliburton Game Company)

How about that dud Matrix game? (5, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788797)

How about the dud Matrix game that came out just before "The Matrix Reloaded". It was an early hint that the franchise was going very far south very fast.

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (3, Funny)

CFTM (513264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788973)

Did you play Enter the Matrix?
The game was engaging, fun and it filled in some of the holes between the first and second movie. In my opinion, the game kicked ass, particularly on XBox.

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (2, Insightful)

th3space (531154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788991)

I never liked the whole 'filling in the holes', bit. What ever happened to using exposition...or, even better, allowing the audience to decide for themselves what happened. It was a neat demonstration of the convergence of two markets, though...and it was pretty, at times.

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (1)

rhuntley12 (621658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792095)

It was fun until 5 minutes in when you found the first game halting bug. And engaging in trying to ignore the bugs. Although I did play it all the way through, didn't have a good selection of games at the time. /shrug

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7792103)

I agree, I loved Enter the Matrix. I've had more fun with that than the "AAA titles" for the PS2 that included JAK II and Prince of Persia.

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793497)

OK, then can you tell me about it advertising a certain CPU and graphics card? I can't find anything on google, and I want to see some screens of this. (BTW, I WON'T be getting it... I'll just rent Reloaded and Revolutions)

Re:How about that dud Matrix game? (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792116)

Gamespot gave ETM plenty of ripping, but unfortunately Gods & Generals was just so bad that nothing could possibly surpass it in terms of crappiness. :D

My pick: overly gratuitous games (4, Insightful)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788873)

I don't have a problem with video game violence for the most part, but there are a few titles that have taken it too far.

The worst one this year was Manhunt by far, but it's not alone. As it stands, the gaming industry is still not looked positively upon by most people. Games like Manhunt aren't helping the industry at all.

Same thing goes for games like DOA Volleyball and BMX XXX - the sexual content adds nothing to the game, and only hurts the industry.

If we ever want to get to a point where we don't hear constant stories about how gaming influences murderers or makes people violent, reclusive, horny old men, these games will have to stop coming out...or possibly become so mainstream that no one blinks at DOA Extreme Nude Hockey

*shudders at the thought*

My $.02

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (2, Interesting)

UltimaL337Star (641853) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789118)

"Same thing goes for games like DOA Volleyball and BMX XXX - the sexual content adds nothing to the game, and only hurts the industry." Speak for yourself, if I were to choose watching baywatch with or without the juggling of the boobies intro I treasure so much every episode or skipping it, I would shoot whoever made me choose. Though I'll admit BMX XXX might've been gone a little overboard.

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789884)

Take pride in being a mouth-breather!

yeah. right... (4, Informative)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789142)

*Ender Ryan rolls eyes*

Please... That's ridiculous.

People wanted "Mature" games, just like people want "Mature" movies, magazines, books, etc.

If you don't like it, that's fine, but please don't shove your morals down others' throats.

My $0.02 USD

Re:yeah. right... (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791333)

Yeah - except that the "mature" games are just crap. Making a volleyball game and then taking the players clothes off doesn't make it "mature". A truly mature game would be a game that deals with content in a mature manner, not one that just shows as many titties as possible.

Re:yeah. right... (1)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793760)

Yes, and action films and porn are just crap too, but people seem to like them. What the fuck is your point? My point is simply, "fuck off, and leave people alone."

Personally, I detest pornography, violent films with no content, etc., but who defines that? I also like the game Manhunt, and many violent films and films involving sex that are not exactly critically acclaimed - because they have something interesting to ME.

So piss off with your judgements.

Re:yeah. right... (1)

bugbread (599172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793811)

"Making a volleyball game and then taking the players clothes off..."

I wasn't aware volleyball was usually played in winter overcoats.

I see what you're saying, of course, but I would say the issue is more about making a volleyball game where "breast physics" and bikini selection are critical sales points.

Re:yeah. right... (2, Interesting)

DeadScreenSky (666442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792731)

As an example of just how arbitrary these silly moral decisions are, Gamespot gives DOAXBV "Most Embarrassing Game", with braindead analysis such as:
While we here at GameSpot aren't against the concept of poolside wiggling, the way it's portrayed in DOA: Xtreme Beach Volleyball is embarrassing to the point of disgust. Its dress-up, peep-show mentality comes across as just plain creepy, and just as people's perceptions about games as serious subject matter were beginning to change, something like this sticks out like a sore thumb. Games still have a long way to go, and softcore digital exploitation like this surely isn't helping to expand the market, regardless of its M rating.

Then in their section on Best Games No One Played, they feature Clockwork Tower 3. This may be a wonderful game, I haven't played it. :D But according to their review it features:
One scene depicts the hammer-wielding killer bludgeoning a young girl to death, while another has a villain gouging a man's eyes out and then plunging his elderly mother into a vat of acid. It's not really worse than you'll see in any slasher flick, but the game's personal treatment of the violence makes it hit home.

Huh? Which game is disgusting again, and deserves to be shunned for just that reason? Upbeat silly oggling and dress-up of virtual women = exploitation, while severe graphic violence against virtual women = underrated game? I just can't find words for how ridiculous that is.

(Please note, I am not saying either game should be censored, etc. My mind just boggles at the moral puritanism being displayed.)

Re:yeah. right... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7793089)

Upbeat silly oggling and dress-up of virtual women = exploitation, while severe graphic violence against virtual women = underrated game?
You're kinda leaving out an important part of the argument, namely that DOAXB is a terrible, terrible game (the shallowest volleyball engine since the 2600 era combined with about half a dozen other crappy underdeveloped minigames) that tried to get by entirely on the basis of its scantily-clad women, whereas Clock Tower 3 (what the hell is "Clockwork Tower"?) is a genuinely good game. It's the difference between a good game that happens to contain mature content and building your entire game out of "mature" content (I put mature in quotes there because DOAXB is pretty clearly intended for 12 year olds) and pretending it makes up for the complete lack of thought that went into the actual gameplay. Could you seriously not figure this out by yourself?

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (3, Funny)

Kyouryuu (685884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789199)

Between boobs and the ability to dynamically pee on anything in sight and reduce everything to a bloody pulp, I'll take the boobs. ^_;

I don't agree (2, Insightful)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789213)

I don't agree. If you do not like the content of a game, don't play it. Some people are even more offended by "Hello Kitty" games. I don't think that such games are a "mistake" unless there is a problem with marketing blunders or poor gameplay/graphics.

If you do not like games with such content, do not play them. I would count an act of game censorship as the #1 "worst game mistake".

Re:I don't agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789742)

I think you missed his point.

The problem with Manhunt, is that it is pretty obvious that making the game as violent as possible was the only design goal. It is a half assed stealth action game that tries to get the gamer to look past its short comings game wise, and focus on the extream violence.

This game is the equivalent of the Cindy Crawford film "Fair Game" Don't mind that the film sucks, look boobies.

Re:I don't agree (1)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790436)

He is still wrong. Let's take a quote.
"If we ever want to get to a point where we don't hear constant stories about how gaming influences murderers or makes people violent, reclusive, horny old men, these games will have to stop coming out...or possibly become so mainstream that no one blinks at DOA Extreme Nude Hockey"
Okay, so let's assume he was referring to violent video games that are over the top and have substantial lacking in gameplay, as you seem to assume. Why do they need to stop coming out? To silence people who claim there is a link between violent games and violent behavior? That's just silly. Why not let the free market determine what should and shouldn't be released rather than trying to make some proclamation that these games should not be released.

Re:I don't agree (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7791611)

I was going to reply, but I am liberal, so I didn't

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789950)

...or possibly become so mainstream that no one blinks at DOA Extreme Nude Hockey

Oh, wow! What's the release date on that? I'm gonna pre-order it right now!

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (1)

obsid1an (665888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792662)

The gaming industry is an entertainment industry. Different things entertain different people. Live with it. If you don't like the game, don't buy it.

BTW, no games actually show live full nudity like is in plenty of movies I have seen. However, I'm sure the first one that does will receive an AO rating, the equivalent of NC-17. Even though a movie with full frontal nudity only receives a R rating.

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7793107)

BTW, no games actually show live full nudity like is in plenty of movies I have seen.
I imagine that's because 99.9% of games don't use live people at all, nude or otherwise. This isn't the Sega CD era. I can think of a couple of games off the top of my head that feature full-frontal nudity of non-live characters (Leisure Suit Larry 7, Max Payne 2) and received M (not AO) ratings. There's probably at least a couple more.

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (1)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793592)

I can think of a couple of games off the top of my head that feature full-frontal nudity of non-live characters (Leisure Suit Larry 7, Max Payne 2) and received M (not AO) ratings. There's probably at least a couple more.

And I can think of a couple of movies that showed full-frontal nudity of live people that received R ratings. Since I haven't played either Leisure Suit Larry 7 or Max Payne 2, I couldn't tell you if the depictions fit the definitions on the ESRB site, but that site does describe partial nudity as 'brief and mild depictions of nudity'. This as compared to 'graphic depictions of sex' under the AO rating.

Re:My pick: overly gratuitous games (2, Insightful)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793624)

I don't have a problem with video game violence for the most part, but there are a few titles that have taken it too far.

Who's to determine what's too far? Any other entertainment industry that has ever tried to censor itself or that has been censored has turned their product into crap until the artists began rejecting the censorship.

The worst one this year was Manhunt by far, but it's not alone. As it stands, the gaming industry is still not looked positively upon by most people. Games like Manhunt aren't helping the industry at all.

Some people will never look at the industry in a positive light. In terms of sheer numbers, for every Manhunt there are how many E-T rated games? Have you even played Manhunt? (it's getting to the point where I might have to buy this damned game just to figure out why so many people are bitching about it, especially when most of them don't seem to have played it).

Same thing goes for games like DOA Volleyball and BMX XXX - the sexual content adds nothing to the game, and only hurts the industry.

Interestingly enough, on one hand, DOA XVB, you have a game that actually sold moderately well. On the other hand, BMX XXX, you have a game that didn't sell well at all. I wonder why that may be. Oh yeah, because one appealed to a particular audience and the other, well, didn't. The same people that call out game developers for DOA are the ones that should be abstaining from all David Hasslehoff material because of Baywatch. We certainly know that no actresses were hired for that show due to their ability to act.

If we ever want to get to a point where we don't hear constant stories about how gaming influences murderers or makes people violent, reclusive, horny old men, these games will have to stop coming out...or possibly become so mainstream that no one blinks at DOA Extreme Nude Hockey

You can see much worse in other media. You will always hear the stories, and if you really wanted to stop them short all you'd have to do is create some new media that kids and teenagers enjoy. The real backlash will continue until the current 18-25 group is in control of the country. Even then you'll see some of it, and it will probably continue for at least another generation. In the meantime, there aren't many people protesting showings of the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, so I'm not too worried about the future of video games unless gamers themselves start to actually swallow the anti-game crap and spew it themselves. Self-censorship has proven itself to often be worse than (U.S.) government actions, primarily because government has to be careful to not run the Constitution through the shredder while they're at it.

Worst Gaming Decision (4, Interesting)

happylight (600739) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788904)

N-Gage

Re:Worst Gaming Decision (1, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790165)

Ignoring for the moment that the mods are on crack for scoring a post consiting of only "N-Gage" Insightful and Interesting, I was actually expecting (based on the /. article title) a longer list of gaming industry decisions that turned out badly. The article is only five crap games, nothing really worthy of a /. thread.

Now, getting back to the "N-Gage" issue. While I totally agree that Nokia's marketing department should get a lifetime achievement award for fucking up, the product itself is actually pretty decent and has become the cheapest way to own a Series 60 mobile phone -- with a library of hundreds if not thousands of compatible applications. It's also become the mobile emulation platform with emulators for; Gameboy/GBC, ZX Spectrum, MAME, C64, MSX and NES.

Re:Worst Gaming Decision (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7790478)

The article is only five crap games, nothing really worthy of a /. thread.

Look on the right side of the page, and there are links to the rest of the article:

* Most Embarrassing Game
* Most Despicable Product Placement in a Game
* Worst Use of Celebrity Voice Acting
* Most Disappointing Delay
* Most Pretentious Game
* Most Disappointing Game
* Flat-Out Worst Game
* Best Game No One Played

They don't exactly stick out, though. I thought the article was pretty short until I noticed them.

Re:Worst Gaming Decision (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790961)

Look on the right side of the page, and there are links to the rest of the article:
My mistake, I thought that was an ad.

Re:Worst Gaming Decision (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791063)

Which decision though? The one to make it, or the one to buy it?

Video Game Reviewers... (5, Insightful)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788908)

It's becoming more obvious that people who review video games are becoming more and more snobbish against violence and sex in video games. It's kind of silly for them to attack postal 2 because you can pee on people. The fact is a game geared twards adults can be fun. Postal2 is fun if you play it for what it is (a virtual violence sandbox).

Postal 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7788932)

Last year, a disgruntled postal worker in our area flung poo at his co-workers.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788968)

Except that Postal 2 is a horrible game with way-too-long loadtimes.

Take away the peeing and exploding anthrax cow-heads and you have a boring, repetative game that takes forever to load.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (4, Insightful)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789116)

Except that Postal 2 is a horrible game with way-too-long loadtimes.

Agreed, the zones are annoying.

Take away the peeing and exploding anthrax cow-heads and you have a boring, repetative game that takes forever to load.

That is like saying "Take the guns out of quake and you have aboring repetative game

Plus, you didn't mention taking out the anal raping of cats with shotguns, the priests with guns, making women vomit and pee themselves by shocking them with a tazer, the insane amount of politically incorrect humor in the game, etc etc.

I grant you, this isn't Final Fantasy, Quake, KoTR, Madden 2003, etc. It isn't innovative in anyway, it's just funny, and fun to play.

There are plenty of movies that appeal to nothing other than crude humor, and that is their selling point. Why is this an invalid selling point for a game?

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789989)

"Take the guns out of quake and you have aboring repetative game

Hell, leave the guns in, and you still have a boring, repetitive game (ha ha).

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789409)

Except that Postal 2 is a horrible game with way-too-long loadtimes.

You probably don't care, but the patch addresses the load time issue and several others. The whole "horrible game" bit can't really be patched, though.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (4, Insightful)

MWoody (222806) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789045)

"Postal2 is fun if you play it for what it is (a virtual violence sandbox)."

No. GTA is fun if you play it for what it is (a virtual violence sandbox), and that game was a critical success. Postal 2 is liquid shit in a box.

Remember, kiddies: "Dark humor" requires both the "dark" AND the "humor" to work; simply peeing on dead people is not immediately amusing in and of itself.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789239)

No. GTA is fun if you play it for what it is (a virtual violence sandbox), and that game was a critical success.

Actually, GTA3 has missions and a story which is what it was designed for. I think some time was put into it being a virtual violence sandbox, but it wasn't as pointless as postal 2 (which is a good thing)

Remember, kiddies: "Dark humor" requires both the "dark" AND the "humor" to work; simply peeing on dead people is not immediately amusing in and of itself.

Have you played the game? I would say it's humor is like the kind you would find in a tarantino movie, but on a much lower buget.

There are plenty of things you can do outside of peeing on dead people. I personally find it funny to collect a bunch of cats, go into a kitchen with a stove on and set all the cats on fire. After setting them on fire, watch them run around and burn the whole town down. I find cats setting people on fire amusing, but it's probably just me.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790042)

Have you played the game? I would say it's humor is like the kind you would find in a tarantino movie, but on a much lower buget.
It's hard to know where to start with that line. The best way to describe my reaction to that description is that not only wouldn't I buy the product, but if anyone used a product described this way as an example of something bad I'd have to say "Well, you've got a point there".

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790187)

I would pity you, but it would be a waste of effort.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792987)

There are plenty of things you can do outside of peeing on dead people. I personally find it funny to collect a bunch of cats, go into a kitchen with a stove on and set all the cats on fire. After setting them on fire, watch them run around and burn the whole town down. I find cats setting people on fire amusing, but it's probably just me.

Yes, it's just you.

Plus, you didn't mention taking out the anal raping of cats with shotguns, the priests with guns, making women vomit and pee themselves by shocking them with a tazer, the insane amount of politically incorrect humor in the game, etc etc.

Still just you.

This is kind of like the quip about free speach and nazi-ism. I'll defend your right to play those kinds of games, but those games are sick, and some part of you has to be sick to enjoy them.

I hope it's just your sense of humor that's so twisted, and that you keep such activities to fantasy scenarios such as video games. I'm not one of those whacked out PETA people, i don't rate animals' lives over humans' lives, but i'd certainly rate an animal's welfare over the life of the type of sadistic bastard who would actually do the type of things you're describing.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 10 years ago | (#7794362)

This is kind of like the quip about free speach and nazi-ism. I'll defend your right to play those kinds of games, but those games are sick, and some part of you has to be sick to enjoy them.

Hey, thanks for being so judgemental. That is really open minded of you. Of course, I could be judgemental about your signature....but I wont. :)

I hope it's just your sense of humor that's so twisted, and that you keep such activities to fantasy scenarios such as video games. I'm not one of those whacked out PETA people, i don't rate animals' lives over humans' lives, but i'd certainly rate an animal's welfare over the life of the type of sadistic bastard who would actually do the type of things you're describing.

So you are saying that animals are more important than some people. Sound like a PETA person to me. You need to lighten up a bit. If someone enjoys Mortal Kombat or Quake does that make them a sadistic bastard? You sound as bad as Joe Liberman and the other fools in congress who whine about video game violence, and I don't think you mean to come across that way.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7794991)

If someone enjoys Mortal Kombat or Quake does that make them a sadistic bastard?

Last time I checked neither of those involved setting fire to cats or raping priests with guns.

So, well, no, enjoying Mortal Kombat or Quake doesn't make you a sadistic bastard, even if you define "sadistic bastard" as someone who thinks pissing on corpses is funny.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (5, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789086)

It's becoming more obvious that people who review video games are becoming more and more snobbish against violence and sex in video games.

...actually, I'd say that video game reviewers are becoming less easily impressed by violence and sex in lieu of good gameplay. They've seen one too many half-assed games that slap a bit of skin or gore on to sell more copies, and they're getting sick of it.

Consider that GTA3 and Vice City continue to be lauded as ass-kickingly good games. If the reviewers are going all snobbish on us, why didn't they denounce GTA as some half-baked game that gets old once you've finished picking up hookers for extra life and shooting transients in the head with a sniper rifle?

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791698)

Because the makers of GTA buy a lot of ads.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (2, Interesting)

rhuntley12 (621658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792111)

Not to mention they just ignore the problems with anything that says Grand Theft Auto and automatically declare it perfect. While some of the same problems with GTA in other games drops it a point. Playing GTA for an hour pretty much gives you the whole game. I do like mindless killing though, just saying it's a very overrated game.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (3, Interesting)

The_dev0 (520916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792334)

Playing GTA for an hour pretty much gives you the whole game. I do like mindless killing though, just saying it's a very overrated game.

You might like True Crimes: Streets of LA [truecrimela.com] by Activison. It's almost a GTA clone, but with a depth that leaves GTA for dead. It boasts branching storylines with multiple endings, an elaborate karma system, and an entire map of LA to drive around solving/committing crimes. I found it a much more rewarding experience than GTA, which left me feeling a little ripped off, after all, as you say, "Playing GTA for an hour pretty much gives you the whole game". Check it out, it's currently my favourite game.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7792559)

That was a great game, played through it on all three branchs.

Mafia was great too. Can't wait for it to come out on Xbox so I can play through it again on a big screen and 5.1

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (2, Interesting)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7794024)

"why didn't they denounce GTA as some half-baked game that gets old once you've finished picking up hookers for extra life and shooting transients in the head with a sniper rifle?"

Because its not, probably.

I've been playing GTA games on and off ever since the original on the PC, and I've not once done either of those things.

The most telling thing I find with it, though, is that Simpsons Hit 'n' Run is currently riding high in the charts. Since the entire premise is to take all the elements unsuitable for kids out of GTA and replacing them with Simpsons references, and still manages to be both a big seller and great fun despite some of the handling getting a bit of a mangle along the way is as good a demonstration as any that the fundamental gameplay stands up.

Re:Video Game Reviewers... (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790175)

Revulsion at Postal 2 isn't indicative of snobbery. It's indicative of consciousness.

The sooner exploitative shills like Running with Scissors are driven out of business the better for everyone.

Gamespot on Postal 2 (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792179)

Atleast with Postal 2, Gamespot admits that while the game isn't great, it nails its target. It brags about its intentions and fulfills them unlike a lot of games that fail to even have mediocre success with their intentions.

What about... (1)

th3space (531154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788943)

Final Fantasy X-2? No, I can't put it down...but I don't like it one bit. I just want to get the remainder of the story before I bury it in my backyard, really. The gameplay tries too hard to be fluid and innovative, and to me, fails in both respects. Items don't matter any longer, either...and that's a travesty. It was horribly over-hyped and over-rated, IMHO.

Re:What about... (1)

rhuntley12 (621658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792117)

Mmmm hot ladies in hot outfits, what's wrong with this game again?

Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (5, Insightful)

doublesix (590400) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788948)

There's a 'check latest prices' link next to all the box shots?

These games suck, now go buy them

Re:Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (5, Insightful)

th3space (531154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7788971)

It just goes to show, that even when you're 'bashing' a game, you've got to pay your bills and shill it, at the same time. Bad press is still press, and some people might buy some of those games based on what they've read...

Re:Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (3, Funny)

wed128 (722152) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789077)

i kinda wanna buy Gods and Generals now, just to see if a game could really be as bad as they said...are they exaguratting?

Re:Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (2, Insightful)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789249)

Compare these two statements. One of them is quite reasonable: 1. This game sucks, go buy it. 2. This game sucks because it's got jiggling boobies and is quite lurid and suggestive. On Postal, they mentioned that you can pee on anything in the game, and it has Gary Coleman in it. Certainly sparked my interest.

Re:Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (1)

The_dev0 (520916) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792341)

Ahh, but the important question is can you pee on Gary Coleman?

Re:Am I the only guy that finds it funny that ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7792436)

Ahh, but the important question is can you pee on Gary Coleman?

Yes. Yes you can.

A game that takes itself far too seriously (5, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789090)

Really, what business does a game have taking it self seriously? How dare a game company assume it has an educated audience or incorporate satire and history? It's a video game it's supposed to be mindless entertainment for children and lazy ass 20-sometings. Somebody needs to tell those Xenosaga folks that they're not artists before they put any thoughtful storytelling in episode 2!

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (3, Insightful)

Black Hitler (687112) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789703)

Somebody needs to tell those Xenosaga folks that they're not artists before they put any thoughtful storytelling in episode 2!
I wouldn't worry about that, seeing how there wasn't any thoughtful storytelling in episode 1, just a bunch of cliches dressed up with sub-Evangelion religious symbolism and endless anti-war speechifying.

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (3, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789775)

Right. There aren't any new storylines out there. Everything is old and cliche. We should stop taking ourselves seriously altogether because our golden days as an artistically creative species are all behind us. We should be satisfied with a string of first person shooters with progressively fancier graphics, because live action is the only thing that can be "real" anymore. We should give up on reinterpreting the classics and make all directors and fantasy authors do some actual work for a living. All of our shildren should play football in lieu of all other potential activities. All television series should become "reality" shows.

Excuse me while I go shoot myself.

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789984)

There aren't any new storylines out there.
There are plenty of them, just not in Xenosaga.

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (1)

ziggles (246540) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792170)

There's a big difference between covering serious subject matter and taking yourself seriously. Everything can and should be dealt with with a sense of humor. It keeps people mentally and emotionally involved.

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7795039)

There's a big difference between covering serious subject matter and taking yourself seriously. Everything can and should be dealt with with a sense of humor. It keeps people mentally and emotionally involved.

Yeah, I loved how Spielberg managed to keep his sense of humor when he made Schindler's List. That comedy scene where the jewish kids hide in the toilet? Classic! I'm so glad he didn't try to take his subject-matter seriously.

Re:A game that takes itself far too seriously (1)

evilhayama (532217) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790253)

Yeah, they should have put in a big, fluffy, mascot character, maybe it actually fights in battles and has a whole town of little fluffy comrades! That would help lighten the tone of an otherwise serious game.

No, the Xeno series would never stoop so low...

Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but... (3, Insightful)

Lightwarrior (73124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789129)

...it's still one hell of a game - though people either tend to love it or hate it.

http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings/itemcomment s. asp?itemid=519264

-lw

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (1, Flamebait)

Mprx (82435) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789192)

Pathetic fanboys like it. Everyone else hates it.


If you like it you are probably an "otaku" (and don't realize that it's an insult in Japanese).


Caltrops.com seems to be down now so here's the Google cache of the only Xenosaga review you need:


http://66.102.11.104/search?q=cache:On37B5AYF1kJ:w ww.caltrops.com/review0012.php [66.102.11.104]

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7791569)

He flames, he gets modded up. Who let the monkey give out the mod points again?

Link in post != Insightful

Someone please do the right thing here and knock this back down.

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7791600)

Link in post != Insightful
Insightful link = insightful post. Deal with it.

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7793922)

Yeah, well, I'm sorry people knock the football game you buy year after year, apparently expecting the game of football to, well, change or something, but you're not going to see me calling you names for buying it.

I liked XS. Maybe its because I can slice through the religious crap. Maybe its because the philosophical ideas expressed interest me. (have you ever read any Nietzsche? Or any other philosopher? Do you understand the elements in conflict in the storyline?) Sure, the cutscenes were long, but guess what? The game designers added something you don't find in many other games: the ability to skip them. As for MOMO and her panties, the only difference between this and DoA XBV is the apparent age of the models used. To quote another game "Earth to Hiro, she's not even HUMAN!" If you're going to call this a sign of the pedo times, you're completely ignoring the real child porn that actually exploits children out there. If the pedos out there start getting their jollies from rendered panties, I'm sure thousands of real children will breathe sighs of relief.

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (1)

bugbread (599172) | more than 10 years ago | (#7794125)

First, let me preface by saying that I haven't played any of the Xenosagas, so what I am saying is in general and in no way related to this game. That said: One of the criteria for "taking things too seriously" is taking admittedly advanced concepts, ideas, references, etc., running a few feet with them, and then acting like you have created a work of deep genius. This is what got so many people steamed about Matrix philosophy: it was, essentially, name-dropping. I didn't have too much of a problem with the Matrix (in that, philosophically, it was at least sound, for the most part. Haven't seen the sequels, though). I do notice this trend in some other films, games, websites, etc. Knowing Nietszche, Kierkegaard, or Sartre does not intrinsically make something deep. Saying "God is Dead" does not make something deep. Obscure religious symbolism does not make something deep.

I keep coming back to Evangelion when thinking about this subject. Now THAT was a show that took itself too seriously! Evangelion (and its ilk) are to deepness what Goths are to people with severe clinical depression: showy, self-infatuated shells that take on the trappings instead of the contents.

Not having played Xenosaga, I can't say if that is the case or not, but the fact that, instead of using the title "The Will to Power", they chose to go with the intentionally obscure and weighty "Der Wille zur Macht" puts one point on the "pompous" side of the scoreboard.

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too (SPOILERS) (1)

Kyouryuu (685884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7795262)

!SPOILERS! There's currently only one Xenosaga, with the second one Xenogears (Episode II: Jenseits von Gut und Bose) currently being designed. According to the sourcebook Xenogears Perfect Works, the series was supposed to consist of six parts. Xenogears, the original Playstation game, was actually Episode 5 and harkened back to the previous ones using "dream" scenes and dropping tidbits of the past here and there.

In a sense, this made Xenogears somewhat mysterious. Although all of the pieces were there in the storyline and could be understood, it often took a look at the official story to see how they all related to one another. But Xenogears had a good story for other reasons as well. It started off with a handful of rather evil villains and eventually narrowed it down to just one (and even then, he's questionably evil), it blended in some religious mythos, including a priest whose faith turns against him. The tracking down of a manmade and synthetic God entity. And that everyone on the planet was artificially produced by this "God," in reality a giant planet terraforming weapon.

A lot of people see parallels between Xenogears and Neon Geneis Evangelion, and it goes beyond Xenogears using a rejected NERV Headquarters design for its ship bridge. Both have big robots. Both have the mysterious blue haired girl (Rei Ayanami and Miang Hawwa). Both have reluctant and troubled heroes (Shinji Ikari and Fei Wong Fong). And both make heavy use of religious symbolism and names in the most garish of places. But that's about where the similarities end. The storylines and the factions are quite different, it's just that some elements are shared. And I don't really think one borrowed from the other - they were both developed in parallel and so it's probably sheer coincidence that some of these parallels exist.

The point I'm trying to make is that Xenogears/Xenosaga is pretentious like Evangelion is. Arguably, the Xeno games make more sense than Evangelion, which spiraled into a crack-induced mind warp in the final episodes and movies, but they are both guilty for using religious symbolism to effect a faux deepness.

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7795098)

If you like it you are probably an "otaku" (and don't realize that it's an insult in Japanese).

An insult? Only in slang. As an everyday word it's actually a polite way of saying "you" or "your house".

Maa, omae no you na nanimo wakaranai yatsu ha sonna koto oshiete mo muda darou kedo...

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (1)

Kyouryuu (685884) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789242)

Hmm, personally I fall into the latter camp. I loved the storyline of the first Xenogears, but Xenosaga just takes itself way too seriously. Expecting me to memorize all of the wacky abbreviations, expecting me to care about that new NTR-4405 rotor part that just came in, to check my in-game e-mail, and wander aimlessly around a needlessly sterile and bland spaceship and talk to every boring NPC I see to hear more techno-babble. To put it bluntly, Xenosaga is boring and it says something that I cared more about the little sprites in Xenogears than I do the lush, 3-D animated models in Xenosaga.

Just my 2.5 cents. ^_^;

Re:Xenosaga might take itself too seriously, but.. (1)

Unoti (731964) | more than 10 years ago | (#7789280)

Sounds like EverQuest!

Final Fantasy XI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7789939)

The North American "launch" of this game was an abortion. Just prior to the "launch" (apparently all they did was translate some shit into English) they opened up several new servers to allow Japanese players to migrate, thus clearing up some slots on the OLD servers for PEOPLE WHO DON'T SPEAK JAPANESE AND WHO WILL BE STARTING AT LEVEL ONE. I mean, god forbid we get to start on a clean server with people we can communicate with and won't be 69 levels above us.

And then of course, due to the limited space on the old servers, to play with your friends you have to get them something called a "world pass", which is a code that let's them start characters on your server. This code inexplicably costs in game currency, and takes hours and hours to obtain. I'm kind of hazy about the details being that I erased the bloated 6 gigabyte pig a few hours after purchase. I couldn't return it, so I tried to sell my copy (with no character) on Ebay and had the auction removed by Square for violating their EULA.

Re:Final Fantasy XI (1)

th3space (531154) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791638)

Poor guy. You should totally blow up the box/cd with fireworks...I bet that'll make you feel a little better.

It's a Gamespot link (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790185)

Why would this make it to /.?

Anything they review, rate, or judge is specifically designed to give back to the people who throw adv$$$ at them. Oh yes, and there's the little detail of complete idiots writing the copy. DOABV made way more money than about 30 other titles that did NOT make it into the year's worst.

Re:It's a Gamespot link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7791177)

DOABV made way more money than about 30 other titles that did NOT make it into the year's worst.
Yes, and as we all know, making money inoculates anything from criticism (see also: Microsoft, pro wrestling, crack cocaine, Michael Bay movies).

Perhaps you are confused... (1)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792211)

I think you are referring to IGN when you refer to advertising dollars going to far. Even when it isn't game related (McGriddles...haha).

Seriously, Gamespot is the least bought out of all the sites. Sure, some of their reviews are still questionable but the percentage is much less than all the other sites.

Worst? (1)

rffmna (734875) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790222)

The guy who hacked for HF2.

Re:Worst? (1)

Black Hitler (687112) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790379)

I agree with this. Although let's not kid ourselves, it wasn't going to come out in 2003 anyway.

Re:Worst? (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791459)

I assume you mean HL2, short for Half-Life 2. And theres a large number of reasons as to why HL2 didn't come out the self imposed date besides from the hacking incident.

They gave themselves around 6 months between announcement and expected launch date. Thats like Duke Nukem Forever to suddenly be announced to be released next quarter, you KNOW its not gonna happen short of divine intervention.

worst franchise EVER (1)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 10 years ago | (#7790406)


Nightcaster. [rottentomatoes.com]

Yech.

I read a funny interview somewhere... (4, Interesting)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791021)

... with some TECMO head, where he said that the guys who did the bathing suit designs were completely blown away by the female designers because the women were the one who came up with the most revealing bikinis and the most explicit poses for the DOA girls.

Re:I read a funny interview somewhere... (3, Informative)

DeadScreenSky (666442) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792755)

But, but, but, mildly sexual titillation featuring completely virtual women is EXPLOITATION!!!

(...stupid Gamespot...)

And yes, Itagaki (head of Team Ninja) did say something like that in an interview. [gametalk.com] (scroll down about halfway, or just search the page for 'female')

And for what it is worth, my GF loves the game...

Typical sell-out media (3, Insightful)

jvmatthe (116058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791427)

Maybe I'm just a pie-in-the-sky idealist, but I'm more and more disappointed that the "media" are really just vehicles for pushing the products they claim to evaluate. Do all media outlets now provide "check prices" and "buy now" links when they're supposed to be evaluating products?

As another poster pointed out, what's the deal with a "Check prices" link on every game, even the ones that are supposedly terrible? The answer is that GameSpot is probably obligated to provide those links because of deals they have with publishers or game retailers. Not only does that particular category reveal them for the captialists that they really are (i.e. not independent press), but then they actually have a category called "Most Disappointing Delay" populated with games that are not out now and (in the case of Half-life 2, at least) may not be out for several months yet.

Frankly, I think they could have listed themselves among the category "Most Despicable Product Placement".

Re:Typical sell-out media (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793027)

I agree, it's pretty sad that they've got "Buy Now" links for games they claim suck. However...

reveal them for the captialists that they really are (i.e. not independent press)

How is that a contradiction? The _independent_ presses pretty much need to be capitalistic. After all, by definition, if they're independent than no one else is going to be paying their bills. The problem occurs when they can make more money pushing products that they can by unbiased reporting to attract readers and/or advertisers.

but then they actually have a category called "Most Disappointing Delay" populated with games that are not out now and (in the case of Half-life 2, at least) may not be out for several months yet.

This is a problem how? Very few people are disapointed by the delays _after_ a game comes out. It's while you're still waiting that every additional delay seems interminable. I would expect "Most Disapointing Delay" to be about games that are yet to be.

Re:Typical sell-out media (1)

jvmatthe (116058) | more than 10 years ago | (#7794627)

This [section on delayed games] is a problem how?
Sorry, I wish I had time to reply to your whole post, as I think I'd like to elaborate on the other points, but I only have time for this clarification on my original post. (Blasted holiday season eats time like nothing else I know...)

My issue with the delayed games is that they're pushing people to check prices on games that are delayed, and by definition, won't be out for quite a while. I'm not a fan of pushing people to pre-order games, and I think that in the case of delayed games, esp. those like Half-life 2 and Dark Alliance 2 which are in a sort of limbo between existence and non-existence (for various reasons), it's not exactly honorable to be pushing people toward preorders. If they'd put Duke Nukem Forever in that list with a "Check Prices" link, I'm sure my point would be more obvious, but that's the general idea.

You can still disagree, naturally. I just left out some verbiage that needed to accompany my original post to make my issue with the GameSpot post.

My dumb opinion (2, Interesting)

JWhiton (215050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791838)

Although I haven't played either game (yeah, yeah, I know) I would personally say that Postal 2 deserves the criticism they heap on DoA Beach Volleyball. Postal 2 is as focused on wonton violence as DoA is on boobs. Now if that floats your boat, okay, but which game do you think would show up in a senate hearing? Games like Postal 2 provide the necessary ammunition (heh) for people who want to pass laws to heavily regulate the game industry. This scares me much more than a bunch of 3d rendered boobs. I just hope that games like Postal 2 are ignored by the gaming public so that they never gain enough popularity to end up on some excitable legislator's desk.

I'm also confused by why they were so disappointed with Devil May Cry 2. It's exactly the same as the first game! I thought the first game was a very predictable action game with a plot that could've come out of an 8-bit side scroller. Why were they expecting any more out of the sequel? They're both pretty much the definition of a rental game.

Personally, I'd say that Unreal II was the worst game I played in 2003. It was basically an engine demo. It had a really weak plot and offered absolutely no innovation on the standard FPS formula. Its only claim to fame was that it had more polygons than yesteryear's games. The multiplayer add-on was released far, far too late.

I dunno if it counts as a 2003 game or not, but I had a ton of fun playing the Serious Sam First Encounter/Second Encounter collection. In Second Encounter the graphics are 90% as good as Unreal II's and the gameplay is a hundred times better. It retails for $10, so I'd urge anyone out there who hasn't played Serious Sam to give it a whirl.

Re:My dumb opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7792468)

This scares me much more than a bunch of 3d rendered boobs.

oh, dude, you're not doing us nerds any favors by advertisting the fact that we're even intimidated by computer boobs.

Re:My dumb opinion (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 10 years ago | (#7794070)

"Postal 2 is as focused on wonton violence"

I'm sure there's a John Woo joke in there somewhere, if only I was awake enough to find it...

Re:My dumb opinion (1)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7795147)

Personally, I'd say that Unreal II was the worst game I played in 2003. It was basically an engine demo. It had a really weak plot and offered absolutely no innovation on the standard FPS formula. Its only claim to fame was that it had more polygons than yesteryear's games.

Funny - I quite enjoyed Unreal II. A bit bland, sure, and much too linear, but it had some very nice level designs. Not a classic by any stretch of the imagination, but mediocre != terrible.

Tomb Raider on the Most Disappointing list? (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7791896)

Tomb Raider?

I thought only people who had IQs below 80 and/or retrograde amnesia could possibly be disappointed by a Tomb Raider game in the year 2003. Freelancer would've been a much more appropriate nominee.

Rob (At least MOO3 was on there...)

Real reviews (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7792406)

If you read gaming industry magazines on a regular basis, some of the PC games this year got some of the lowest rankings I have seen in a long time. In fact the games people are naming in /. are mediocre games that sucked. The REALLY bad games no one even know exists.

I am talking the review ranks are so low you'll laugh your ass off.

2.4 out of 100
1.3 out of 100
18 out of 100

Glad to see (2, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 10 years ago | (#7793086)

I'm glad to see that Master of Orion 3 was up for Most Disapointing. I'm kind of sorry i wasted the money on it. I tried to get into it for a week before getting fed up with the crappy interface and the complete lack of action by the AI. Despite the difficulty of getting anything done the way i wanted, i kicked the computer's ass from one end of the galaxy to the other, and didn't really enjoy any of it. The combat was especially crappy and iritating.

I was equally happy to see Galactic Civilizations make Finalist for "Best Strategy Game." It's a wonderful space strategy game, made even more sweet after dealing with Master of Orion 3 (despite GalCiv being more Civ like than MoO like.) I kind of wonder why it's free expansion pack didn't get nominated for an award though. How can a free expansion to one of the best games of the year not make the "Best Expansion Pack" list?

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