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IBM Says Polymer Memory Could Be Ready By 2005

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the my-brain-awaits-an-upgrade dept.

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prostoalex writes "Polymer memory is hardly anything new, and we already had HP and Princeton announcing their prototype. In a Forbes magazine article IBM promises polymer memory that's five times cheaper than current flash memory, and expects the first devices with polymer data storage systems to be delivered possibly by 2005. IBM's Zurich Lab published this article last year with description of Millipede."

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The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805433)

I don't imagine that it was the intention of the director or the producers of the Lord of the Rings films to paint a racist stereotypical tapestry over what could be described as a basic set of principles of humanity's behavior in the natural environment and with each other. However, the fact is that the only people of skin color in the entire three part series of films are all associated with the Dark Lord Sauron, the destruction of the earth and all of its occupants. Not to mention the elephant riding mercenaries that resemble the cultures of the Arab world as well as Africa, Persia and East Asia and the fact that the Monarch of the land of Rohan, King Theoden a white guy yelled out "You great warriors of the West" in the final part of his speech to rouse the troops into battle in the third film.

In these times when a homicidal maniac from Texas (the Texas capital punishment policy under Bush) has stolen the American throne and called for a "crusade" against the "evil doers" in nations that white people have been invading, terrorizing, raping and pillaging in for 5000 years with zero provocation, I think we could manage some cultural sensitivity in our popular culture which one must acknowledge has a powerful propaganda affect on the general population that participates in it.

Can you imagine how people of skin color, of Persian, Arab and East Asian ethnic background feel when they come out of these films where all the heroes are white and all the "evil doers" are of dark skin. Being married to an Asian American I watch people disregard my wife everyday while regarding me, simply because of her skin color. Being part of a European family that has lived on the North American continent for 400 years I've been lucky enough to gain perspective that when you create an evil character (Uruk-hai) that resembles native Americans as they have done in the Lord of the Rings films a great deal of cultural and racial alienation will occur.

I am sure that once the filmmakers read this article there will be claims that they had to stay true to the story that J. R. R. Tolkien wrote, but the fact is, African and Asian cultures have always been a part of the European fabric whose ancient legends and fairy tales gave birth to J. R. R. Tolkien's epic portrayal of the battle between good and evil. And what about the Ancient Picts, a tattooed darker skinned cultured that once dominant in the UK. As someone who has grown up in one of the nation's of the Commonwealth of the British Empire, I know for a fact that J. R. R. Tolkien's generation were deeply influenced and thus deeply moved by all those people of skin color that fought alongside white members of the British forces in World War One and World War Two forming lifelong friendships and deep emotional ties.

In fact all Europe's mathematics, reading and writing and technological advancements in transportation and warfare are all based on African and Asian concepts. The reason that Western medicine has not advanced to the enlightened technological level as Chinese herbal medicine and why most Western technology is diametrically opposed to all life on this planet, poisoning our air and water and causing widespread disease and death is for the simple fact that the Freemasons and the Church have not yet let go of the death grip they have on each other's throats. In other words, the enlightened knowledge that the church has attempted to destroy that the Freemasons attempted to save and capitalize on with Western patents has turned into a death struggle that has created destructive technological paradigms here in the West that are now being forced on the populations of the entire earth destabilizing life and bringing with them the pollution of the air and water that once existed only in Christendom.

Of course there are redeeming images and ideas portrayed in the films such as the Ents protecting the forests by destroying the industrial military complex as well as the fact that white people can be turned to evil to join forces with all the evil dark skinned man flesh eating Orcs and Uruk-hai.

It is important to understand that young people are impressionable and influenced by the symbols foisted on them by the popular culture. It would not have been that difficult to make a contemporary version of the Lord of the Rings that included the heroic symbols of people of skin color. I think J.R.R. Tolkien wouldn't have minded including people of skin color as heros in these films if he were alive today. Especially after witnessing the rise of the civil rights movements in both the U.S. and the U.K.. I'm so glad that the Dwarfs, Elves and Hobits finally got their due but unfortunately this was washed away by the lack of heroic images of people of skin color. After watching the Lord of the Rings films I thank the universe and Mother Earth for the Rap/hip-hop culture and the counterbalancing influence the Rap/hip-hop culture has on the youth here in America and around the world.

Go LUniX!! (-1, Offtopic)

I Feel Like Trolling (735376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805458)

Execute Mumia NOW!

Re:The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805480)

All that effort for such a weak troll. For shame, AC, for shame.

Incidentally, this: [white people have been invading, terrorizing, raping and pillaging in for 5000 years with zero provocation] is very cute. I really enjoyed reading the diarreic drippings of your diseased brain. Oh well - try again later!

You just can't admit the fact that you are racist! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805492)

Just admit you are racist, many people are!

It's ok, admitting you have a problem is the first step!

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805722)

Actually that wasn't a troll, that was a prominently displayed "critique of western hegemonism in popular media" on indymedia and the indymedia crowd was totally loving it.

I was more looking to give it a test run as a karma whore for a tolkien story, apparently it will not work, oh well.

Re:The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805726)

Its ok, black people used to have white slaves that they beat and raped. Who do you think built the pyramids?

Re:The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805812)

He's right though. LotR is racist - it doesn't contain a single tolkein black character.

...I'll get my coat.

Heres how i feel about your troll. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805509)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your nigger will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately on unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.

Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.

Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 55 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.

Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include:

1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing.

2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one).

3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit.

4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood.

5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS.

MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN, BUT NEVER BLACK HOES.

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER KEEPS BLEATING ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".

Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS EXACTLY LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.

What you have there is a "wigger".

WOW! IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE OR VALUABLE?

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD.

And you were expecting what?

MY NIGGER DISPLAYS A MASSIVE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

This is normal.

SHOULD I ALLOW MY NIGGER TO FORNICATE WITH OTHER NIGGERS?

Where are we, Wonderland? You'll have a lot of trouble getting it to fornicate with *other* niggers.

WHERE CAN I BUY MYSELF A BETTER QUALITY OF NIGGER?

I don't really understand the question ("better quality of nigger"...?WTF?)

see slashdot is racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805521)

this got modded offtopic, but the anti-racism was troll !

Re:see slashdot is racist (-1, Offtopic)

I Feel Like Trolling (735376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805574)

Slashdot may be racist, but Trolldot loves the CUNT.

sexist pig! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805614)

Your a chauvanist, I learned all about your type in my "Epistemology of feminine liberation in western lit" class! Your kind are scum!!!

0 Comments, and already its very slow. (-1, Redundant)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805435)

Heres a transcript, just in case. I know its a major site, but it took forever to load for me, so i'm being precautionary. --- IBM's Millipede May Challenge Flash Memory Tonya Vinas, 12.24.03, 4:06 PM ET Some say The Information Age began with the invention of the PC. For others, it's the birth of the Internet, the development of the silicon chip or the global crisscrossing of fiber-optic cable that shifted our societal pivot from goods-production to information management. In a couple of years, IBM's Millipede data storage system might also enter the debate. Millipede harkens back to the days of computers gleaning information from punch cards, but this time, the information is stored in nanometer-sized indentations in a thin polymer film. According to the company, Millipede has the potential to provide significantly greater storage capacity than flash memory at a lower price. Another advantage: smaller and easier-to-use devices. "Imagine a video camera in which each segment you've recorded is displayed in a directory with a unique file name, instantly accessed, appended or erased at the push of a button," says Christopher Andrews, communications program manager for the Armonk, N.Y,-based company. "If you're on vacation and want to erase an old segment to make room for something new, there would be no need to hunt with 'rewind' and 'fast forward' to find the section of the tape you're looking for." Devices such as video cameras, portable video players and portable music players need more storage memory than flash memory can provide at an acceptable price, Andrews says. That's why most devices use tape or optical disks to store information. If these devices used Millipede-based storage cards, they could be smaller and use less power in addition to allowing data to be stored in downloadable files. "Millipede will likely offer a cost per gigabyte approximately five times cheaper than flash in high-end cards," Andrews says. "Millipede would make a lot of sense in devices like PDAs and smart phones." Although other companies such as Hewlett-Packard (nyse: HPQ - news - people ) and Samsung are also pursuing probe-based data storage, IBM says it was among the first to invest heavily in research and development and is poised to be among the first to have probe-based devices on the market, possibly by 2005. This year, researchers at IBM's Zurich lab began restoring and retrieving data files using Millipede technology. Much of the work on Millipede has taken place in Zurich, but other IBM locations are involved. IBM plans to target flash memory immediately, a potential $10 billion market. Beyond that, Millipede could have implications in biotechnology and other nanotechnology fields. Millipede is based on two "breakthrough technologies," according to IBM: thermomechanical recording, in which an extremely sharp tip on a microcantilever with an integrated heater makes and reads back nanometer-scale indentations in a specialized polymer film; secondly, creation and integration of thousands of thermomechanical probes in a micromechanical array, married with a micromechanical actuator that scans the probes over the polymer surface to store and retrieve data in various locations on the film. IndustryWeek Magazine 2003 Penton Media Provided By Pinnacor

Sorry about that bad editing [fixed version] (3, Informative)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805477)

IBM's Millipede May Challenge Flash Memory Tonya Vinas, 12.24.03, 4:06 PM ET

Some say The Information Age began with the invention of the PC. For others, it's the birth of the Internet, the development of the silicon chip or the global crisscrossing of fiber-optic cable that shifted our societal pivot from goods-production to information management.

In a couple of years, IBM's Millipede data storage system might also enter the debate.

Millipede harkens back to the days of computers gleaning information from punch cards, but this time, the information is stored in nanometer-sized indentations in a thin polymer film. According to the company, Millipede has the potential to provide significantly greater storage capacity than flash memory at a lower price. Another advantage: smaller and easier-to-use devices.

"Imagine a video camera in which each segment you've recorded is displayed in a directory with a unique file name, instantly accessed, appended or erased at the push of a button," says Christopher Andrews, communications program manager for the Armonk, N.Y,-based company. "If you're on vacation and want to erase an old segment to make room for something new, there would be no need to hunt with 'rewind' and 'fast forward' to find the section of the tape you're looking for."

Devices such as video cameras, portable video players and portable music players need more storage memory than flash memory can provide at an acceptable price, Andrews says. That's why most devices use tape or optical disks to store information. If these devices used Millipede-based storage cards, they could be smaller and use less power in addition to allowing data to be stored in downloadable files.

"Millipede will likely offer a cost per gigabyte approximately five times cheaper than flash in high-end cards," Andrews says. "Millipede would make a lot of sense in devices like PDAs and smart phones."

Although other companies such as Hewlett-Packard (nyse: HPQ - news - people ) and Samsung are also pursuing probe-based data storage, IBM says it was among the first to invest heavily in research and development and is poised to be among the first to have probe-based devices on the market, possibly by 2005.

This year, researchers at IBM's Zurich lab began restoring and retrieving data files using Millipede technology. Much of the work on Millipede has taken place in Zurich, but other IBM locations are involved.

IBM plans to target flash memory immediately, a potential $10 billion market. Beyond that, Millipede could have implications in biotechnology and other nanotechnology fields.

Millipede is based on two "breakthrough technologies," according to IBM: thermomechanical recording, in which an extremely sharp tip on a microcantilever with an integrated heater makes and reads back nanometer-scale indentations in a specialized polymer film; secondly, creation and integration of thousands of thermomechanical probes in a micromechanical array, married with a micromechanical actuator that scans the probes over the polymer surface to store and retrieve data in various locations on the film.

IndustryWeek Magazine

2003 Penton Media

Provided By Pinnacor

Re:Sorry about that bad editing [fixed version] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805770)

Ew! Millipedes! What are they going to make memory out of next? Cockroaches?

Trust IBM to come up with an idea like turning gross little insects into computer memory.

GNAA: new polymer dildos could be ready by 2005 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805437)

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Re:GNAA: new polymer dildos could be ready by 2005 (-1, Troll)

I Feel Like Trolling (735376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805491)

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NEVER trust IBM (-1)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805441)

I won a supposed $2.8 million grant from IBM, and they cancelled it out due to an accounting error.

I think they simply took the money and gave it to some CEO or manager or used it to line their coffers instead of promoting my fiber optic research.

Hey IBM -- Have a lousy Christmas you sad bastards.

Re:NEVER trust IBM (-1)

ADOT Troll (687975) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805482)

Maybe they were using a pentium?? I hear those things are mathematically inaccurate.

Re:NEVER trust IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805507)

Don't worry, when the good guys win you will be able to re-win your grant from SCO Group, which will be flush with 3 billion in cash.

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

bunkie (221331) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805443)

fp, yea buddy w00+

Re:FP! (-1, Offtopic)

I Feel Like Trolling (735376) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805542)

i really think the word CUNT is an awesome word. I really like CUNTS and I think that word just says it all. Yo, cunt! Hey cunt! Damn, I'd like to lick that cunt! I mean, it is almost as versatile as fuck, yet not used nearly enough. What do you think about that, cunts?

The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805449)

I don't imagine that it was the intention of the director or the producers of the Lord of the Rings films to paint a racist stereotypical tapestry over what could be described as a basic set of principles of humanity's behavior in the natural environment and with each other. However, the fact is that the only people of skin color in the entire three part series of films are all associated with the Dark Lord Sauron, the destruction of the earth and all of its occupants. Not to mention the elephant riding mercenaries that resemble the cultures of the Arab world as well as Africa, Persia and East Asia and the fact that the Monarch of the land of Rohan, King Theoden a white guy yelled out "You great warriors of the West" in the final part of his speech to rouse the troops into battle in the third film.

In these times when a homicidal maniac from Texas (the Texas capital punishment policy under Bush) has stolen the American throne and called for a "crusade" against the "evil doers" in nations that white people have been invading, terrorizing, raping and pillaging in for 5000 years with zero provocation, I think we could manage some cultural sensitivity in our popular culture which one must acknowledge has a powerful propaganda affect on the general population that participates in it.

Can you imagine how people of skin color, of Persian, Arab and East Asian ethnic background feel when they come out of these films where all the heroes are white and all the "evil doers" are of dark skin. Being married to an Asian American I watch people disregard my wife everyday while regarding me, simply because of her skin color. Being part of a European family that has lived on the North American continent for 400 years I've been lucky enough to gain perspective that when you create an evil character (Uruk-hai) that resembles native Americans as they have done in the Lord of the Rings films a great deal of cultural and racial alienation will occur.

I am sure that once the filmmakers read this article there will be claims that they had to stay true to the story that J. R. R. Tolkien wrote, but the fact is, African and Asian cultures have always been a part of the European fabric whose ancient legends and fairy tales gave birth to J. R. R. Tolkien's epic portrayal of the battle between good and evil. And what about the Ancient Picts, a tattooed darker skinned cultured that once dominant in the UK. As someone who has grown up in one of the nation's of the Commonwealth of the British Empire, I know for a fact that J. R. R. Tolkien's generation were deeply influenced and thus deeply moved by all those people of skin color that fought alongside white members of the British forces in World War One and World War Two forming lifelong friendships and deep emotional ties.

In fact all Europe's mathematics, reading and writing and technological advancements in transportation and warfare are all based on African and Asian concepts. The reason that Western medicine has not advanced to the enlightened technological level as Chinese herbal medicine and why most Western technology is diametrically opposed to all life on this planet, poisoning our air and water and causing widespread disease and death is for the simple fact that the Freemasons and the Church have not yet let go of the death grip they have on each other's throats. In other words, the enlightened knowledge that the church has attempted to destroy that the Freemasons attempted to save and capitalize on with Western patents has turned into a death struggle that has created destructive technological paradigms here in the West that are now being forced on the populations of the entire earth destabilizing life and bringing with them the pollution of the air and water that once existed only in Christendom.

Of course there are redeeming images and ideas portrayed in the films such as the Ents protecting the forests by destroying the industrial military complex as well as the fact that white people can be turned to evil to join forces with all the evil dark skinned man flesh eating Orcs and Uruk-hai.

It is important to understand that young people are impressionable and influenced by the symbols foisted on them by the popular culture. It would not have been that difficult to make a contemporary version of the Lord of the Rings that included the heroic symbols of people of skin color. I think J.R.R. Tolkien wouldn't have minded including people of skin color as heros in these films if he were alive today. Especially after witnessing the rise of the civil rights movements in both the U.S. and the U.K.. I'm so glad that the Dwarfs, Elves and Hobits finally got their due but unfortunately this was washed away by the lack of heroic images of people of skin color. After watching the Lord of the Rings films I thank the universe and Mother Earth for the Rap/hip-hop culture and the counterbalancing influence the Rap/hip-hop culture has on the youth here in America and around the world..

Re:The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805526)

Being married to an Asian American I watch people disregard my wife everyday while regarding me, simply because of her skin color.

Ha! You're obviously a troll! Any white guy with an Asian wife or girlfriend knows that _she_ gets all the attention. (Drooling from white and black men, angry scowls from Asian men and white and black women and weird size-ups from Asian women.) Next time, do your homework!

Re:The Racist Tapestry of Lord of the Rings! ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805679)

The reason that Western medicine has not advanced to the enlightened technological level as Chinese herbal medicine

Shows what you know. Chinese are flocking to Western doctors and Western medicines. Their shitty herbs don't work and they know it! It's time for China to come into the 21st Century.

Next time you try to troll, please get your facts straight. You, sir, personify ignorance.

Shut up ignorant eurocentric racist! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805717)

The only way a western doctor heals someone is by zapping them with radiation, cutting them open and then pumping them full of drugs!

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Re:Use the anti-slash database tool to gain karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805520)

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The best thing about polymer... (4, Funny)

xintegerx (557455) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805457)

It's more than one "mer".

(Forecasting clueless Best Buy employees trying to sell computers.)

Re:The best thing about polymer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805801)

"mer" being French for "sea".

So it's Multiple Sea memory. Which is why they've called it Project Millepede.

BTW, want to hear a joke? Guy goes into a baker's store and asks for a loaf of bread.

"Do you want white or wholemeal?"

"Either will do, my bicycle's parked outside."

Re:The best thing about polymer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805826)


BTW, want to hear a joke? Guy goes into a baker's store and asks for a loaf of bread.

"Do you want white or wholemeal?"

"Either will do, my bicycle's parked outside."


I don't get it.

Re:The best thing about polymer... (0, Offtopic)

mokomull (630232) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806095)

Neither do I.

I know I'll probably get modded down for this but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805465)

Hi, I'm a IBM employee currently working on improving an USB driver. There's really not much to say, we have to make money somehow right?

Hey, I'm sorry if we hurt your feelings or whatever, but management projected SCO was going to destroy us within 5 years and our own tries to "ride the wave" as one of the Aptiva project staff said were failing, we had no choice.

Re:I know I'll probably get modded down for this b (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805511)

Care to let us know what the hell you're talking about? No wonder they said SCO would destroy you. I'd hate to sit in on an IBM meeting. Furthermore, what do you care about being modded down? You're an AC, like me.

Ook (0, Offtopic)

after (669640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805467)

This is good and all, but I don't see how this would affect me.

I have 1 gig of ram in my machine, and this is more then enough for me.

On the other hand, this is pretty cool for servers where one would need much RAM.

I remember talking to someone that was in VTECH and their servers had over 32 gigabytes of RAM - cant imagine how much that could cost (they were running one of those Unisys file servers and a user file server.)

Go IBM .. for ugh, making cheep stuff cheaper ;)

Flash Memory != RAM (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805512)

This could mean 256 MB compact flash cards for under around $20, as compared to $70 tday, or mp3 players that cost almost half as much as they do now.

Re:Flash Memory != RAM (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805816)

More likely it'll mean 1G "compact flash" cards for around $80. There's a lot of fixed costs in manufacturing, even if you dramatically reduce the price of one part of it.

Re:Ook (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805534)

Not sure what you were modded down for (you're below a GNAA post, as I write this) but the win here is for flash memory devices, not desktop computers.

Re:Ook (0, Offtopic)

after (669640) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805564)

Man, I feel stupid.

Sorry - didnt read/realize the article before replying.

I think I'll stop replyin for a while.

5X Cheaper? (3, Insightful)

9Nails (634052) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805473)

Somehow I doubt that I - Mr. Consumer - will see the 5X price drop. I won't hold my breath.

Re:5X Cheaper? (2, Insightful)

lurker412 (706164) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805527)

Probably not. On the other hand, you will only have to pay twice as much for the 10x memory that all the new products will require ;)

Re:5X Cheaper? (4, Insightful)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805589)

If history is any guide indeed you will.

The interesting point about the semiconductor market that makes it different from almost anything else is that it pay's to drive down the price as your cost decreases.

The reason being that the market thereby grows at a much faster rate, more than compensating the price drop. Remember Profit in $ is Unit profit * Unit.

Just look at Cell Phones as a good recent example. Industries has repeatedly learned that artificially holding the price high kills you. If interested in more info Google Clayton Christenson + Disruptive technologies.

Re:5X Cheaper? (4, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805650)

You'll see far more than that, if history is any indicator. I've got 64 megs of RAM in my video card, for chrissakes. I have spent upwards of a grand for half a meg of main memory.

For bulk storage, I can buy disks for less than a dollar a gigabyte today. I spent over a grand for the first one gig drive I ever bought.

So yeah, you'll see a 5X savings. Count on it.

-jcr

Re:5X Cheaper? (1)

chfriley (160627) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805856)

You should hold it! When I got my 1st computer, I got a 16K (yes K) upgrade and that was a TON of RAM (this is not RAM of course). But still it cost a lot more than the 512MB RAM card in my Nokia 6600.

Of course by 2005, flash memory will be cheaper. I guess the question should be: 5 times cheaper than flash *now* or when it is available?

Anything that increase the storage for the $ is great!

Recycle time? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805478)

Does this also mean that all the old fogey polyester clothes can be recycled and used for memory? And if so will their absence of clothing be considered flash memory?

This could be interesting. (0)

Lord Graga (696091) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805489)

This could possibly mean cheaper rewriteable memory in gamebased devices, like GBA, who's successor will probably keep being cartridge based to support backwards compatibility. Is there a read-only version of this memory?

Be Ready By 2005 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805498)

Now THATS what I'm Tolkien about!

eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805504)

Is that supposed to be some sort of pun or is that just some freudian typo thingy?

Shouldn't that be... (1)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806144)

frodian typo?

Mmhmm (3, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805505)

And does anyone remember what crazy, non-magnetic-plate memory technologies that IBM was saying in 2001 would be ready by 2003?

Just checking.

Re:Mmhmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805755)

I DO remember that---mereover I remember it being slashdotted several times. Now, if they'd just put all their push behind one or the other... :P

Search Results Link [slashdot.org]

Hmmm. Cheap long term storage? (4, Interesting)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805517)

To capture the market, this stuff has to either be:

1. Cheaper than flash or HDs.
2. More durable than flash or HDs (or even CD/DVDs)
3. Be faster than flash/HDs/optical media.

By the time this stuff comes out, trying to beat one of the three is going to be tough - by that time all of those existing technologies will be VERY mature. I'm already able to buy hard drives for super-cheap, so logically, flash is the intended target. The question is, by the time this stuff comes out, will hard drives become so tiny, cheap, and robust, that it's not flash that is the main competitor, but magnetic hard drives?

Of course, if IBM wants to give me petabytes of super-stable long-term storage that will fit in a shoebox, and only cost me a few hundred dollars, who am I to argue? At the very least, if it can replace tape, that might be enough to ensure a place for it, assuming optical hasn't totally displaced that market by then...

Re:Hmmm. Cheap long term storage? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805798)

by that time all of those existing technologies will be VERY mature

this is 1 - 2 years' time we're talking about, not 10. granted, technology moves forward quickly, but not THAT quickly. this new tech might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and it probably wont deliver on all the hype (like the price), but if it is better than even one of the three other competing technologies you mentioned (and no, it probably wont be obsolete by then), that's still a good thing.

Re:Hmmm. Cheap long term storage? (5, Insightful)

MarkusQ (450076) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805819)


To capture the market, this stuff has to either be:

1. Cheaper than flash or HDs.
2. More durable than flash or HDs (or even CD/DVDs)
3. Be faster than flash/HDs/optical media.

Nope. Read The innovator's dilemma [amazon.com] . All it has to do is:

  1. Have room for improvement
  2. Serve a niche market that the others can't
  3. Improve over time into something they aren't
Micro-computers (to use one of his examples) weren't cheaper (for the power), more durable, or faster than big iron. But they came in smaller increments and could serve markets that the big players couldn't...

-- MarkusQ

Re:Hmmm. Cheap long term storage? (3, Interesting)

useosx (693652) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805841)

Hard drives are great, mature technology, however, they--in my opinion--suck big time. First of all, they have moving parts making them prone to sudden death (thus why RAID exists). Second, they're slow as hell hence why people buy SCSI. But even SCSI isn't fast enough. I mean, nowadays the bottleneck for most computing tasks is the hard drive. Give me DDR RAM fast, solid state long-term storage and I'll be very happy.

As for CD-Rs and DVD-Rs, I burn a lot of them because they're so damn cheap. But I hate it. I once scraped off the surface of a CD-R coaster and almost cried at how easy the stuff flaked off. Not to mention there's no reasonable consensus as to how to properly label [slashdot.org] the damn things. I mean, you can't write on them, you can't label them...the only thing you can do is take a tiny sharpie and write on the inner circle, which doesn't do me much good. Even though there would be cost and size increases, I would love it if CDs and DVDs had caddies a la Mini Discs.

Yes, I agree these technologies are cheap and mature but I really wish there was some alternative. So, I for one welcome our new micro-millipede masters (terrible name, btw, I have centipedes in my apartment and they freak the hell out of me even though I know they're good to have around 'cause they eat other bugs).

Re:Hmmm. Cheap long term storage? (1)

Above (100351) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806126)

Hard drives suck for many applications. Compared to all the other silicon parts in a computing device hard drives with their movement fail more often and take less shock than pretty much anything else in a computing device. This is why everything from embedded devices to the MP3 players you wear around your neck while jogging use flash, because it's solid state. I say this because for much of the market (that is not PC's) hard drives are not an option, and that today pretty much leaves flash. If those people got something better your MP3 player, watch, router, cable modem, coffie maker, and all sorts of other embedded things could become much faster, much quicker. Remember, many of these things RUN FROM FLASH, so access rate is huge.

Star trek (1)

peripatetic_bum (211859) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805518)

I dont know about you, but I am not surprised that some of the Original Star Trek technology is around now, ie Communicator = Cell Phone
But now we are doing some Voyager stuff, ie polymer memory, although I think voyager had some sort of Biopolymer memory, but still, im secretly pleased by these turn of events

Re:Star trek (1)

Random Frequency (34459) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805618)

voyager had 'biomechanical processors' to aid in computation, ie little gelpacks that would act as co-processors to the main computer core.

Oh yeah! (4, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805523)

"Imagine a video camera in which each segment you've recorded is displayed in a directory with a unique file name, instantly accessed, appended or erased at the push of a button," says Christopher Andrews, communications program manager for the Armonk, N.Y,-based company. "If you're on vacation and want to erase an old segment to make room for something new, there would be no need to hunt with 'rewind' and 'fast forward' to find the section of the tape you're looking for."

Oh yes! And we can call those storage device CompactFlash cards, because they're compact, made of flash memory and card sha... Hey! Wiat a second... Sounds rather familiar...

Re:Oh yeah! (1)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805784)

I think it's bigger than that. I'm guessing, imagine having the storage size of a tape, and being able to find data without waiting 5 minutes for it to rewind or fast foward.

size, cost... (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805863)

Oh yes! And we can call those storage device CompactFlash cards, because they're compact, made of flash memory and card sha... Hey! Wiat a second... Sounds rather familiar

Except that CF tops out at about 2-4GB at the moment, which is maybe enough to store a DV tape's worth of video after DVD-level mpeg compression, which costs a lot to do on a chip in real-time. Keep in mind that DVDs also compress a lot better because there's very little noise; home movies and the like have a TON of noise because the sensor and electronics are (comparatively) crap.

The whole point is that by making the memory 5x cheaper, you can make it 5x larger in capacity- now you've got 20GB, which is a little more reasonable for video...

Merry Christmas! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805531)

It's Chrsitmas day, Slashdot. Time to open your
presents.

Re:Merry Christmas! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805694)

Chrsitmas

And maybe you'll get a dictionary for Christmas!

Merry Christmas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805613)

Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas from the UK! All the best, good tidings for the New Year.

Gordon (lurker)

Re:Merry Christmas (0, Offtopic)

eclectro (227083) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805651)


you too :))

Hexadecimal capacities? (-1, Flamebait)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805632)

Capacities should be given in hexadecimal bytes. Decimal has no place in computing--unless you want to work with bowling scores.

Re:Hexadecimal capacities? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805703)

I already do my bowling scores in hexadecimal. It make the other bowlers scratch their heads.

You know you've gone too geeky when you look at alphanumeric car tags and know what color it is. I've been thinking that I may buy a personalized car tag with my car's color represented in hexadecimal. Is that a FF0000 Chevy over there?

Timothy's "Bain" (0, Flamebait)

Praeluceo (528253) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805671)

Well, we all now know that Timothy takes baths in vaporware, because his current "bain" must be the already existing "coming real soon now" technology.
Does anybody else remember mRAM and all of those holographic-3D RAM concepts from years gone by?

I'l believe this when it's in my digital camera.

IPod (2, Informative)

herrvinny (698679) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805674)

Terrific. The iPod could really use this stuff it the new mini ipods. [slashdot.org]

Re:IPod with this technology (1)

SailfishMac (732653) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806307)

Assuming it's Write Only, if the capacity was extremely large in a small size, then everything one downloaded to the device would remain and a small flash memory can be used to keep track of everything, included deleted songs. Perhaps 2005 was too far off, perhaps it's coming in January MacWorld.

Ram _I_ want to see. (5, Interesting)

Jestrzcap (46989) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805712)

I want to see a RAM tech that allows for non-volitle (i.e. keeps its data even without power), and unlimited re-rewrites. This would be a great tech for laptops or PDAs as they could suspend very very easily and boot up to same state. This would be a fabulous tool as battery tech seems to be going nowhere fast.

Re:Ram _I_ want to see. (1)

thelasttemptation (703311) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805787)

And I want to see a watch battery power a pda for months at a time and unlimited recharges and no memory problems. This would be a great tech for laptops or PDAs as they could suspend very very easily and book up to some state. This would be a fabilious tool as memory tech seems to be going nowhere fast...

Re:Ram _I_ want to see. (1)

twoslice (457793) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805872)

I want to see a RAM tech that allows for non-volitle (i.e. keeps its data even without power), and unlimited re-rewrites

OK here it is! [yano-el.co.jp]

Re:Ram _I_ want to see. (1)

spotter (5662) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806103)

Look at the Peter Chen's Rio project (Rio, Rio-Vista...)

http://www.eecs.umich.edu/Rio/ [umich.edu]

not exactly what you want, but sort of what can be done with it.

Re:Ram _I_ want to see. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7806349)

It's called mram and should be out soon. Google for it, be enlightened.

Potato chips and IBM chips (1, Offtopic)

mac os ken (732050) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805724)

When you think about it memory chips and potato chips have a lot in common.

Electronic chips get smaller in size the more manufacturers work on them while the memory gets bigger. Potato chips get smaller in size while you eat your way to the bottom of the bag and your thighs get bigger.

Mmmmm... potato chips...

New plastic ONO memory technology (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805725)

This is really great technology news, but enough of this hype already, just deliver the friggen products on time, fully tested and with a proper warranty.

Millipede Project (5, Interesting)

Lomby (147071) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805759)

This year I had the chance to go to the VLDB (Very Large Databases) conference in Berlin. The keynote speech was about this Millipede project.

I must say everybody in the audience was really impressed: from one side the technological aspects, bordering on nanotechnology, were very interesting. Seeing almost the same principle of vinyl discs miniaturized is really fascinating.
The other really interesting point is the impact that such a storage system will have for our systems.
Imagine, you have 10 Tb of space: what will change in the way you handle data? Probabily the first impact will be the disappearance of the deletion of files: why not keep all the old versions of a file if you have all this space? We could use it as we use packet writing on a CDRW. Or what if your iPod could store some Terabytes of data and restit to a lot more of shock (acceleration)?

The speaker made clear that the storage capacity is huge, but the performances are more or less the same of an HD from today: still the Millipede is highly parallelizable.

I think we must see these new storage technologies not merely as bigger HD, but as something different, with lot of space, but with a bit less of performance.

If you see it from a business perspective, remember that IBM sold its HD division to Hitachi about one year ago: it seems clear that they are going to concentrate themselves on new storage technologies.

Anyway, the future looks really interesting!

wrong year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805776)

It has to be 2004 for the $99 iPods!

Science & Politics (1)

cwernli (18353) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805786)

IBM's Zurich Lab

Engineers, neutral by nature, do research in a neutral country.

This just has to produce an unbiased piece of evidence. Chances are, it'll produce more than one.

POLYMER TITTIES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7805861)

titties are neat.

This is why video compression will soon not matter (3, Insightful)

plinius (714075) | more than 10 years ago | (#7805888)

When we have media that hold 100+ gigs rather than a niggly 5-10 gigs at the same price, compression will serve no useful purpose.

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (5, Informative)

Imperator (17614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806035)

You're obviously not a programmer. Video is something that places demands on computing that grow to fill the available phenomenon. Double the available storage, and people will want twice the length of video, or twice the bitrate, or whatnot. It's an old phenomenon. As the amount of memory available has increased, so has the amount demanded by applications. To look at it another way, compare O(N^3) bubble sort to O(N log N) merge sort. Just because we have faster computers doesn't mean we can use inefficient algorithms. If I had a dime for every time I've heard some beginning programming student say "but with faster computers, why does time complexity matter?" I'd be, well, able to buy a cheap lunch.

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (1)

acoustiq (543261) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806088)

To look at it another way, compare O(N^3) bubble sort to O(N log N) merge sort. Just because we have faster computers doesn't mean we can use inefficient algorithms

I'm actually thinking the original poster is correct. You can't compare compression to algorithms because algs have differences in complexity. The size of a compressed file is (in all systems I know) linear in the size of the uncompressed file. If you had a compression scheme that resulted in a file whose size was logarithmic of the input, I'd agree with you. But as things are, I'd consider a lack of compression more like the use of garbage collection. You lose efficiency, but overall it's easier for everyone

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (1)

Imperator (17614) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806438)

Linear? Perhaps; I don't know much about video compression algorithms. But I do know that uncompressed video is huge, so if it is linear it must be a fairly significant factor. If you have real numbers I'd be interested to know.

I don't like your GC analogy but I'm not sure I have anythign better. I can't think of any good examples of a strictly linear gain.

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (3, Insightful)

CPM User (582899) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806066)

What about when you're downloading it ?

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (4, Informative)

spike hay (534165) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806101)

When we have media that hold 100+ gigs rather than a niggly 5-10 gigs at the same price, compression will serve no useful purpose.

I'm not sure about that. Uncompressed video is gigantic. Huge. An hour of uncompressed video takes up about 70 gb, assuming it's regular NTSC rez. Thus you could barely fit a movie on your 100 gig media. It's much better just to use high quality lossy compression, such as MPEG-2 or Xvid or soemthing. If you crank the bitrates high enough, there is no visible artifacting or quality loss.

I'd much rather have 10 hours of HDTV video rather than an hour of uncompressed. Uncompressed video will only be feasable once media can hold hundreds of gigabytes, rather than the 9 gigs that dual layer DVDs hold today.

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806125)

You're forgetting about bandwith. Storage is one thing, but transfer is another.

Bandwidth matters. (2, Interesting)

katz (36161) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806188)

If you don't use video compression, then for today's data transfer speeds, storing and viewing uncompressed video is grossly inefficient--you'll still have to contend with the relatively slow data transfer rate. Assuming a USB 2 connection gives you a 480 Mb/s data rate with the overhead of start and stop bits[1] this gives us 480 Mb/s / (8 data bits + 2 start/stop bits) = 48 MB/s. Suppose a compressed two-hour movie takes up 800 MB of space (divx ;-) can provide a 10:1 compression[2]). This would take 800 Mb / 48 MB/s = 16.6 seconds to transfer[3]. If this movie were originally an 8 GB DVD, the same transfer would take 166.7 s. But this is still with mpeg2 compression. Fully uncompressed, the movie requires *far* more space. According to this link [tecs.com.au] , 4 minutes at the "CCIR-601 digital video standard"[4] would take 4.7 gigabytes. 2 hours into 4 minutes is 120 min / 4 min = 30 [units]; 30 * 4.7 GB = 141.0 GB. Over a USB2 connection, that takes 141.0 GB / 48 MB/s = 2937 s to transfer, or almost 50 minutes. And we're not even considering the data write rate on the device OR the bandwidth load on the device's bus (the CCIR-601 standard can take up between 165.9 and 270 Mbit/s).

Devices always make a practical tradeoff between the bandwidth requirements of the data stream and the computing power required to decode the stream's frames.

Incidentally, I learned a lot about the different compression schemes out there. Thanks for your prompt :)

- Roey

Notes:

1. I looked up the USB spec but couldn't verify whether it is synchronous or asynchronous (and even then if it uses start and stop bits), so I assumed it uses start and stop bits. It shouldn't make that big a difference anyway.

2. DivX ;-) Wiki page [wikipedia.org]

3. Universal Serial Bus Wiki page [wikipedia.org]

4. CCIR-601 Wiki page [wikipedia.org]

Re:This is why video compression will soon not mat (2, Insightful)

Cuthalion (65550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806202)

Here are some reasons why you're wrong:

1) Bandwidth. Even if storage increases by the factor of 20 you envision, that doesn't mean bandwidth will.

2) Would you rather not compress your video, or have better quality and more of it? Uncompressed video is RIDICULOUSLY large. 640 x 480 x 24bpp x 30fps = 221 megabits a second (27 megabytes a second) That means you can store about an hour of that in 100 GB. DVD quality is about 30:1 compression.

I don't think this would cause people to keep uncompressed AUDIO around (where audio is only 150K/s, compressed maybe 10:1 or or so); basically the cost of compression is pretty small. If your other resources are finite, it makes a lot of sense.

Astounding leaps in storage technology (1, Interesting)

kb3hag (584560) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806064)

It's rather astonishing isn't it? here we are looking at technology that can increase our storage to petabytes (probably tons more) of storage, and a year or two ago we were worrying about, what was it?, 10, 20, even 30 gigs not being enough? In this world of 300 gig harddrives, and 120 meg floppy disks, rewriteable cds, and such, you have to wonder, when will our advance stop? and how would such a stop in our advance affect us? would we be able to cope with such? but this kind of advance, it is amazing no doubt, i am just in awe at this, and wonder if such storage technologys as in sci fi novels (like the plasma storage in such, (was it asmiov?)) will soon become a reality.

Re:Astounding leaps in storage technology (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806260)

Speaking of storage advances, does anyone know what happened to the holographic storage technology that IBM talked about years ago? Is this still a viable technology or is it just another, "Well, it was a good idea, we guess."

ha (2, Funny)

ShadowRage (678728) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806124)

In a Forbes magazine article IBM promises polymer memory that's five times cheaper than current flash memory

but will be five times more expensive in the stores

good 'ol marketing.

Dark Angel, look out! (2, Interesting)

Wohali (57372) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806137)

Don't forget -- if we move to this technology world-wide, we'll have mass-storage media that will probably survive an EMP. OK, the actual reader itself will be toast, but the media will survive.

I keep thinking: I want to record something about myself for future generations that will, in one form or another, survive. Right now my best bet for that is printing onto acid-free paper and having it bound, or doing microfiche. This potentially could solve that problem!

Wasn't this supposed to be WORM? (1)

Thinkit3 (671998) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806155)

I sort of hoped it would be some sort of write once, read many like CDR's are. It lends permanence to data that's comforting--sort of like how you know the books on your shelf will never change.

All I want to know (1)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806159)

All I want to know is how fast it can access p0rn

Re:All I want to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7806506)

You misspelled pr0n.

Details from the article - extrapolated (1)

Crypto Gnome (651401) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806168)

"The 1,024-tip experiment achieved an areal density of 200 gigabits (billion bits, Gb) per square inch, which translates to a potential capacity of about 0.5 gigabytes (billion bytes, GB) in an area of 3 mm-square. "

"The research team is now building a prototype, due to be completed early next year, which deploys more than 4,000 tips working simultaneously over a 7 mm-square field. "

"Initial nanomechanical experiments done at IBM's Almaden Research Center showed that individual tips could support data rates as high as 1 - 2 megabits per second."

4K * 2Mbps => 8Gbps peak

4K * 0.5 GBytes => 2GBytes (in ~3mm square)

Personally I'd be more than happy with a
  • Large (~200GB)
  • Compact (~1 inch , square)
  • Fast (8Gbps)
Storage medium for, well, just about ANY device which requires 'permanent' storage. SERIOUSLY! I'd be happy with something that has only 1% of that 'in theory' performance.

It just remains to see if they can scale up the size, and achieve their expectations on performance in the final product.

Please IBM - replace tape backup with this (1)

nurbman (659852) | more than 10 years ago | (#7806407)

The sooner tape disappears as a backup medium the better. The tape drive manufacturers haven't been keeping up with drive space increases for the last 10 years. This would put things back in balance.

If IBM can get this technology to back up 10TB in one small package that sells for under $100 per cartridge they will own the market for offsite storage. This sounds like a lot but it's only one order of magnitude greater than the largest tape drives around now.

Re:Please IBM - replace tape backup with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7806511)

What the hell are you talking about? One, there's no way I trust flash to be tougher than tape. Two, tape has done a pretty decent job of keeping up with HD capacity. SDLT2 will do 160gb native. The only SCSI drives(the tough-ass ones with real warranties that are bigger than Raptors) big enough to surpass that are seagate ST1181677LWV, and that's only if you're storing information on them completely compressed. How much do you think 160gb of flash(polymer or not) is going to run you?

Now.. If you said you wanted an OS disk made of this stuff in the 16-24 gB range, I'd listen. That could smoke.
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